[hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
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Re: [hlds] Windows 98 Not able to run HLDS?
I'm sure I've seen pings of 2000 on servers during mapchanges, Apologies
that I haven't read the whole thread, but maybe he should look at whether
the map IS being loaded (if not, at which point is hlds hanging?), can he
play locally?
Steve!
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From: Skirecs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 98 Not able to run HLDS?
I agree. I strongly believe the no map, 2000 ping is a sign for no conn.
He
needs to port forward, or open ports if thats the case.
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From: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:56 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 98 Not able to run HLDS?
I believe the steam serverlist used to show servers that didn't respond
as 2000 ping or something like that.. can't really remember though.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 98 Not able to run HLDS?
A software firewall on Win98 is a bad ping looking for a place to
happen.
But no map tells me that he doesn't have a -map mapname on the startup
shortcut, and no map in autoexec.cfg. I have no clue where he is getting
the
2000 ping from, especially if no map is loading. But we won't know until
he
responds to our messages.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 98 Not able to run HLDS?
hunch its in a software firewall, which OS are on the other systems? I
agree
W98 is not the best choice.
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[hlds] Linux server, Advice
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Okay, am sick of 'strange' behaviour on windoze server, I can get it running, is fine, then 'something' changes... So.. Which flavour of Linux might be best to install? I need to run HLDS, also a webserver, and it has to support wireless cards, and preferably filesharing... Don't really need a GUI (altho some kind of www browser would be nice), just want a nice clean tight *STABLE* OS I'm currently looking at installing www.whiteboxlinux.org anyone got much experience? Steve! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- No. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 01:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Do you need a son? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Windows 2000 pro on all of them. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of GreyFox Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 00:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Neil Cumming wrote: Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. [..snip...] What operating system are you running on those machines? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Philipp G. Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 02:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. too late, I called dibs From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:18:52 -0500 Do you need a son? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Share a single photo or an entire photo slide show right inside MSN Messenger. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- hlsd isnt coded to be multithreaded so wont see any advantage with having 2 cpus available, but because we are running more than 2 process on each box, the os is able to scedule the invdividual load between the 2 chips. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Duffy Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 08:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Just a thought mark duffy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- At this point I dont really want to invest in any more AMD hardware, especially as most of the boards for the duals operate on the same chipset afaik. With the p4's we have an asus board running with the springdale chipset, and also a gigabyte with an sis chipset and they both run more player slots. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Richard Welsh Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 06:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This simple get the best AMD board and the best P4 board... get Corsair Ram and test... if ya don't you lose. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07/27/04 19:22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ IMSTP.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- [ BackGrnd.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:22:22 -0400, Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, after installing Steam on my server box (Windows NT), and running HLDSUpdateTool with the -create option, I get the following: The procedure entry point GetLongPathNameA could not be located in the dynamic link library kernal32.dll Windows NT is not supported. Quote from steampowered.com: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Windows 98, ME, 2000 or XP 64 MB RAM 400 Mhz processor 1GB HD space (recommended) Broadband Internet connection (recommended but not required) Even Microsoft is stopping their support of NT. Try upgrading to 2k or Linux. Maarten -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS Windows NT is not supported. Quote from steampowered.com: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Windows 98, ME, 2000 or XP 64 MB RAM 400 Mhz processor 1GB HD space (recommended) Broadband Internet connection (recommended but not required) Even Microsoft is stopping their support of NT. Try upgrading to 2k or Linux. Maarten Thanks Maarten, that explains it. I've made several attempts to switch to Steam over the past month and it's been very frustrating experience up to now. Hopefully, this will solve my problems. Thanks again! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor affinity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will only run on one processor. Maarten -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
HLDS WILL see and advantage with multi processor WILL WILL WILL WILL ,, How many times do I have to explain this common misconception? Even if HLDS.exe runs a single thread ... There are OS threads supporting applications function calls In the background which means Being able to run two threads simultaneously will make HL run mo better -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- hlsd isnt coded to be multithreaded so wont see any advantage with having 2 cpus available, but because we are running more than 2 process on each box, the os is able to scedule the invdividual load between the 2 chips. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark DuffySent: Wed 28/07/2004 08:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Just a thought mark duffy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- lol. Im agreeing with you, this is how it used to work when we first started using these duals a year ago (still under windows), we allow each hlds to use both cpu's and let the windows scheduler take care of it. However im not arguing that, im just pointing out/ asking for input on why im getting my single P4 systems out performing my mp2400+ duals. On paper the duals should be much faster than the P4's, but in reality its just not happening (see specs of player slots on original post) Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 16:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. HLDS WILL see and advantage with multi processor WILL WILL WILL WILL ,, How many times do I have to explain this common misconception? Even if HLDS.exe runs a single thread ... There are OS threads supporting applications function calls In the background which means Being able to run two threads simultaneously will make HL run mo better -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- hlsd isnt coded to be multithreaded so wont see any advantage with having 2 cpus available, but because we are running more than 2 process on each box, the os is able to scedule the invdividual load between the 2 chips. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark DuffySent: Wed 28/07/2004 08:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Just a thought mark duffy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
We need to get back to the original focus of this thread. Was the chipset on the amd boards specified? It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon mp with DDR 233, would it? I'm just saying that there are other parts of the machine to consider besides the processor speed. Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor machine in overall cpu usage. Mapchange, however, is a different story. This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task manager? I am not loyal to either brand. I have both brands of chips and I realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones. Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor affinity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will only run on one processor. Maarten -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
I couldn't help but think that this is the exact resistance to change that leads people to praise WON over steam. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS Windows NT is not supported. Quote from steampowered.com: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Windows 98, ME, 2000 or XP 64 MB RAM 400 Mhz processor 1GB HD space (recommended) Broadband Internet connection (recommended but not required) Even Microsoft is stopping their support of NT. Try upgrading to 2k or Linux. Maarten Thanks Maarten, that explains it. I've made several attempts to switch to Steam over the past month and it's been very frustrating experience up to now. Hopefully, this will solve my problems. Thanks again! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
Also it should be noted that the 2400+ was only meant to be compete with a 2.4 GHz Intel CPU, not the 2.8 or 3.0 GHz that you are using. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Well to be fair the P4's are all 800FSB, using PC400 ram. Compared to the mp2400's which only run PC2100 ram, and the fsb is 266. Both CPU's are being used, and on my original test both cpu's were at 100% on the dual. I agree that 2 single chip systems compared to a dual, will generally bring more performance (in my case a p4 3ghz and a p4 2.8ghz), but at the moment i have my p4 3ghz outperforming my dual by nearly double in terms of cpu usage. Which just seems odd. I will be doing some more testing this evening to get the p4 under really heavy load and see how the ingame playability differs between the dual and the p4. I will be attempting to get 60+ people on the p4 this eve spread over some big servers, ill report back the results. The 2400's are thoroughbred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Fencik Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. We need to get back to the original focus of this thread. Was the chipset on the amd boards specified? It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon mp with DDR 233, would it? I'm just saying that there are other parts of the machine to consider besides the processor speed. Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor machine in overall cpu usage. Mapchange, however, is a different story. This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task manager? I am not loyal to either brand. I have both brands of chips and I realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones. Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor affinity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will only run on one processor. Maarten -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Even the 2.67 P4 is doing better, in terms of clock speed it is only a little faster than one of the chips, but this is a dual, if we look at amd's naming system then 2400+ should as you say be eqivilant to a p4 2.4, but im just not seeing the performance especially considering it has an extra chip over the p4's. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of List Keeper Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Also it should be noted that the 2400+ was only meant to be compete with a 2.4 GHz Intel CPU, not the 2.8 or 3.0 GHz that you are using. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Well to be fair the P4's are all 800FSB, using PC400 ram. Compared to the mp2400's which only run PC2100 ram, and the fsb is 266. Both CPU's are being used, and on my original test both cpu's were at 100% on the dual. I agree that 2 single chip systems compared to a dual, will generally bring more performance (in my case a p4 3ghz and a p4 2.8ghz), but at the moment i have my p4 3ghz outperforming my dual by nearly double in terms of cpu usage. Which just seems odd. I will be doing some more testing this evening to get the p4 under really heavy load and see how the ingame playability differs between the dual and the p4. I will be attempting to get 60+ people on the p4 this eve spread over some big servers, ill report back the results. The 2400's are thoroughbred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Fencik Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. We need to get back to the original focus of this thread. Was the chipset on the amd boards specified? It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon mp with DDR 233, would it? I'm just saying that there are other parts of the machine to consider besides the processor speed. Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor machine in overall cpu usage. Mapchange, however, is a different story. This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task manager? I am not loyal to either brand. I have both brands of chips and I realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones. Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor affinity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will only run on one processor. Maarten -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Linux server, Advice
I have heard gentoo linux is a good one. Regards, Matt White [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve! Sent: 28 July 2004 09:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Linux server, Advice This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Okay, am sick of 'strange' behaviour on windoze server, I can get it running, is fine, then 'something' changes... So.. Which flavour of Linux might be best to install? I need to run HLDS, also a webserver, and it has to support wireless cards, and preferably filesharing... Don't really need a GUI (altho some kind of www browser would be nice), just want a nice clean tight *STABLE* OS I'm currently looking at installing www.whiteboxlinux.org anyone got much experience? Steve! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Linux server, Advice
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- We upgraded 2 of our servers from redhat 9 to fedora core 2 42 days ago, uptime on both systems is 42 days not 1 reboot since installation! Havent had any stability issues whatsoever, and 1 box has survived 2 heavy dos attacks. Running kernel version 2.6.6-1.435 on both machines, both AMD xp2600 singles. The constant stream of security updates is also very nice and the up2date utility ensures you stay as patched as possible, not sure if other linux distro's have such a good path to receive updates and security fixes. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matt White Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] Linux server, Advice I have heard gentoo linux is a good one. Regards, Matt White [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve! Sent: 28 July 2004 09:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Linux server, Advice This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Okay, am sick of 'strange' behaviour on windoze server, I can get it running, is fine, then 'something' changes... So.. Which flavour of Linux might be best to install? I need to run HLDS, also a webserver, and it has to support wireless cards, and preferably filesharing... Don't really need a GUI (altho some kind of www browser would be nice), just want a nice clean tight *STABLE* OS I'm currently looking at installing www.whiteboxlinux.org anyone got much experience? Steve! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Linux server, Advice
Well, you could try posting on the Linux HLDS list :) There really is no best flavor, it's whatever you prefer. I for one will recommend Slackware Linux. Packages are easily available for it, has an updating tool, and is rock-solid. The learning curve is steeper than that of Fedora, but once you learn how to use it, it's much easier. It's also one of the oldest distros available. --AgentHH -Original Message- From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 28, 2004 1:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Linux server, Advice This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Okay, am sick of 'strange' behaviour on windoze server, I can get it running, is fine, then 'something' changes... So.. Which flavour of Linux might be best to install? I need to run HLDS, also a webserver, and it has to support wireless cards, and preferably filesharing... Don't really need a GUI (altho some kind of www browser would be nice), just want a nice clean tight *STABLE* OS I'm currently looking at installing www.whiteboxlinux.org anyone got much experience? Steve! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
I forget, you are using Windows 2000 right? If you are, do you have the latest service packs and updates? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Even the 2.67 P4 is doing better, in terms of clock speed it is only a little faster than one of the chips, but this is a dual, if we look at amd's naming system then 2400+ should as you say be eqivilant to a p4 2.4, but im just not seeing the performance especially considering it has an extra chip over the p4's. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of List Keeper Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Also it should be noted that the 2400+ was only meant to be compete with a 2.4 GHz Intel CPU, not the 2.8 or 3.0 GHz that you are using. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Well to be fair the P4's are all 800FSB, using PC400 ram. Compared to the mp2400's which only run PC2100 ram, and the fsb is 266. Both CPU's are being used, and on my original test both cpu's were at 100% on the dual. I agree that 2 single chip systems compared to a dual, will generally bring more performance (in my case a p4 3ghz and a p4 2.8ghz), but at the moment i have my p4 3ghz outperforming my dual by nearly double in terms of cpu usage. Which just seems odd. I will be doing some more testing this evening to get the p4 under really heavy load and see how the ingame playability differs between the dual and the p4. I will be attempting to get 60+ people on the p4 this eve spread over some big servers, ill report back the results. The 2400's are thoroughbred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Fencik Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. We need to get back to the original focus of this thread. Was the chipset on the amd boards specified? It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon mp with DDR 233, would it? I'm just saying that there are other parts of the machine to consider besides the processor speed. Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor machine in overall cpu usage. Mapchange, however, is a different story. This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task manager? I am not loyal to either brand. I have both brands of chips and I realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones. Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor affinity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will only run on one processor. Maarten ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.
This reminds me of my first dual xeon system. First thing I did was fire up a 32 player dod server running avalanche. I wanted to see how this thing compared to a dual amd system. It was a dual xeon 2.8 system. It showed the dod server only using 7% of cpu (which really equals 14% of one). I got so excited I nearly shat myself. When the whole box was utilized, however, the usage seemed to change. It got back up to 20-25% or so, like it normally would be. You haven't run your single processor systems at full load yet. The task manager doesn't seem to accurately report cpu usage unless you are close to full utilization. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Well to be fair the P4's are all 800FSB, using PC400 ram. Compared to the mp2400's which only run PC2100 ram, and the fsb is 266. Both CPU's are being used, and on my original test both cpu's were at 100% on the dual. I agree that 2 single chip systems compared to a dual, will generally bring more performance (in my case a p4 3ghz and a p4 2.8ghz), but at the moment i have my p4 3ghz outperforming my dual by nearly double in terms of cpu usage. Which just seems odd. I will be doing some more testing this evening to get the p4 under really heavy load and see how the ingame playability differs between the dual and the p4. I will be attempting to get 60+ people on the p4 this eve spread over some big servers, ill report back the results. The 2400's are thoroughbred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Fencik Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 17:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. We need to get back to the original focus of this thread. Was the chipset on the amd boards specified? It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon mp with DDR 233, would it? I'm just saying that there are other parts of the machine to consider besides the processor speed. Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor machine in overall cpu usage. Mapchange, however, is a different story. This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task manager? I am not loyal to either brand. I have both brands of chips and I realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones. Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor affinity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der Zwaart Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi processors? Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will only run on one processor. Maarten -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
I think people just start accepting it again before it gets made worse. -- Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2004 19:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS A) How come so many people have been running Steam servers for almost a year successfully, yet when one person doesn't read the docs and can't get it running, it is a failure. B) part of me wishes I had archived the crying and gripes from every version upgrade from the time I started playing/adminning HL (beta 6ish). It would be great to show people how silly it sounds, as they praise the last good version that at one time was the bane of their existence. C) why is A) a prevailing philosophy? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 768 k connection
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] One of our servers is a 1.5/896 and it works fine. Ping is 80-90 OS: 2k Game: CS 1.6 Mod/addons: WC3, AdminMOD, AMX, HLG. Players: 20 Pub. -DOA Martin Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] About how many players could a 1.5m/768k connection support running off a 3.0p4 (ht) winxp pro, hlds dedicate with amxx 0.16? could it support a 20player pub and a 14player private? Thanx -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Scorpion Energy Drink Website: http://scorpion-energydrink.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] committed suicide with medikit
Sounds like someone is infecting someone then leaving the server. -Original Message- From: Dustin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] committed suicide with medikit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] L 07/28/2004 - 13:58:14: hor287STEAM_0:0:115900Blue committed suicide with medikit This is something I have started seeing on my Steam TFC server in the last week. People killing themselfs with a medikit?!?! How is this possible? My server has started crashing with no error, just exits, and all times it has happened this is almost the last line in the log There are no other logs that contain this line commited suicide with medikit and in the logs that do have it, its logs that the server has crashed on. I have tryed to reproduce this on a test server that is setup exactully like the server with the problem and I have yet to be able to do this. Anyone know how you even kill yourself with a medikit in the first place? Much less how its crashing the server. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] 768 k connection
80-90 is fine? That doesn't seem fine to me. You should not run any more than about 24 slots total, mainly because your line is not a guaranteed line. You are not always going to get your 768k up. This will cause crazy lag and maybe even some packet loss if you overload your line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] 768 k connection -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] One of our servers is a 1.5/896 and it works fine. Ping is 80-90 OS: 2k Game: CS 1.6 Mod/addons: WC3, AdminMOD, AMX, HLG. Players: 20 Pub. -DOA Martin Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] About how many players could a 1.5m/768k connection support running off a 3.0p4 (ht) winxp pro, hlds dedicate with amxx 0.16? could it support a 20player pub and a 14player private? Thanx -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Scorpion Energy Drink Website: http://scorpion-energydrink.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
I have had no problems. So am I liar? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A) How come so many people have been running Steam servers for almost a year successfully, yet when one person doesn't read the docs and can't get it running, it is a failure. Because you've been living under a rock? The success stories are people who have problems and don't complain, or are part of a lucky few. And no way has the lucky few been exempt from all the issues. Anyone who says they have no problems with steam/valves (beta) releases is a liar or has no memory. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.729 / Virus Database: 484 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
Anyone who says they have no problems with steam/valves (beta) releases is a liar or has no memory. I guess i'm lucky then. Personally, I have not had nearly enough issues with Steam (W32 or linux) that would cause me to call it an absolute piece of sh*t and claim that Valve will die soon if they're banking on this crap. That is ignorant, and that is furstration talking, frustration that could be avoided if he read the docs or paid attention to this list. My point was that, almost a year into the Steam implementation, there are not enough issues with server setup that warrant a reaction like his. Especially if the docs had been read. His negative post reeked of ignorance if he has been a member of this list for even just the past several months (which he has). Expecting a turnkey solution is not realistic any way. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
John wrote: I have had no problems. So am I liar? Yep, you're saying your server did not experience the lag issue a little while ago, that you're magically protected against the shield glitches that have always existed (assuming you run CS), that Alfred has never muttered on the list We have a fix in testing or bug fix for this early next week, that HLTV has never had a memory leak (assuming you use it), that czero has always started up by adding -game czero to your startup, that you have always been able to connect to Steam even through DDoS attacks that people use against it because everyone loves steam so much because it always works, that it has never overwritten a config file of yours, that you have never had the recent mass player drop or the svc_bad mass player drop.. You want me to keep going? I could go on forever. Just look at the changelog on the Steam website. These are issues that everyone experienced but you I guess. Where's your server company I want to sign up! -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
Yep -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS John wrote: I have had no problems. So am I liar? Yep, you're saying your server did not experience the lag issue a little while ago, that you're magically protected against the shield glitches that have always existed (assuming you run CS), that Alfred has never muttered on the list We have a fix in testing or bug fix for this early next week, that HLTV has never had a memory leak (assuming you use it), that czero has always started up by adding -game czero to your startup, that you have always been able to connect to Steam even through DDoS attacks that people use against it because everyone loves steam so much because it always works, that it has never overwritten a config file of yours, that you have never had the recent mass player drop or the svc_bad mass player drop.. You want me to keep going? I could go on forever. Just look at the changelog on the Steam website. These are issues that everyone experienced but you I guess. Where's your server company I want to sign up! -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.729 / Virus Database: 484 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] 768 k connection
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Correction: NOT true if you live across the street from a LEC CO. I monitor the bandwidth and get 90% of my bandwidth always. I am a Telecom Tech for a living. We just know stuff. Ask any Telco guy. Other than that, I agree with the NOT guaranteed. Also you can pay for it. lol James Bowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 80-90 is fine? That doesn't seem fine to me. You should not run any more than about 24 slots total, mainly because your line is not a guaranteed line. You are not always going to get your 768k up. This will cause crazy lag and maybe even some packet loss if you overload your line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] 768 k connection -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] One of our servers is a 1.5/896 and it works fine. Ping is 80-90 OS: 2k Game: CS 1.6 Mod/addons: WC3, AdminMOD, AMX, HLG. Players: 20 Pub. -DOA Martin Dickson wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] About how many players could a 1.5m/768k connection support running off a 3.0p4 (ht) winxp pro, hlds dedicate with amxx 0.16? could it support a 20player pub and a 14player private? Thanx -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Scorpion Energy Drink Website: http://scorpion-energydrink.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Scorpion Energy Drink Website: http://scorpion-energydrink.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] help with halflife
hi, i need some help with half life. bascially i cant join servers cause it ses that a newer protocol is used, i only got halflife 1 day ago, and it ses i have protocol 38, and that i need protocol 46, please help me :) _ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] help with halflife
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Good suggestion here. GL HF And WELCOME to the HL family. -DOA www.cybergamezone.com n30n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Miller wrote: hi, i need some help with half life. bascially i cant join servers cause it ses that a newer protocol is used, i only got halflife 1 day ago, and it ses i have protocol 38, and that i need protocol 46, please help me :) _ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds you need steam. http://www.steampowered.com/ you'll be able to set up everything from there. -- - n30n [ http://n30n.fsckme.net/ ] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Scorpion Energy Drink Website: http://scorpion-energydrink.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] RE: hlds digest, Vol 1 #2950 - 13 msgs
From: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:28:37 -0700 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tissue? Seem's like you are almost out to make steam crash/not work just so you have something to gripe about. Nobody cares. Hey, Spartibus, you're pretty worthless, aren't you? I converted from WON to Steam right off the bat, all because I actually bought that load of garbage Valve sold me on how wonderful Steam was going to be. Though I've been running both server and client since day one, it's been nothing but a nightmare on both ends. Valve is a joke, their programmers and marketers are imbeciles, and Steam is the poorest excuse for a gaming protocol that I've ever seen. I truly feel for the guy. I'd be quite happy if both Valve and Steam would cease to exist tomorrow, thank you very much. So, lay off the guy. You're talking out of the side of your neck. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of spartibus Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Problems with steam client and HLDS Tissue? Seem's like you are almost out to make steam crash/not work just so you have something to gripe about. Nobody cares. Well, I didn't want this to get blown so far out of proportion, but since you're attacking my integrity, I have to respond. Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to do. I want to destroy the game I've been playing for 5 years on one box, and destroy my server on another box just to annoy you because I have so much spare time on my hands I just don't know what else to do. First of all, as I said, I've been playing TFC for 5 years now. Installation was a snap. Upgrades were all a snap (albeit very large downloads). Not a single one ever caused the game to stop working. A year ago I decided to start a server. I set it up with Adminmod and Metamod without a hitch. Then I added Foxbot, again without a hitch. Then HLGuard, Hookmod, Cheating Death, HLBooster, and about 5 more minor add-ons, without a single problem. Suddenly, I switch to Steam, which I resisted because I read DAILY that someone is having MAJOR problems, and lo and behold, major problems. I figured maybe I'll be lucky and get it running without too much trouble. And just FYI I DID read the documentation, and followed it line by line, as I always do. I also have been a member of this list for a year, and saved any and all messages having to do with the setup and configuration of Steam, for future reference. Unfortunately, I assumed that since so many admins were using NT for an OS that Valve would have made an effort to keep Steam compatible, or at the very LEAST, make it clear that it would not work with NT. I guess that's my fault for assuming anything about Valve after all that's happened, but after reading every single message on this list for a year, I can't remember that issue ever coming up. And as for nobody caring...I must have missed the meeting where you were elected spokesman for everyone on this list. The whole purpose of this list is to exchange information about HLDS, or were you looking for the Oprah Winfrey book club list? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
