RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
Quite likely I suppose if it was a router at a cybercafe. On 6/13/05, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did an analysis of my logs. The suspect always connects from 24.175.189.64, and I found 4 different Steam IDs, each ID with a unique set of names. What is the chance that 4 different people can connect and somehow show up as being from the same IP? I banned all of them, hopefully end of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
Just done a tracert and it is cpe-24-175-189-64.stx.res.rr.com which is just someone's home internet on timewarners cable internet supply, looks like in Texas. On 6/13/05, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did an analysis of my logs. The suspect always connects from 24.175.189.64, and I found 4 different Steam IDs, each ID with a unique set of names. What is the chance that 4 different people can connect and somehow show up as being from the same IP? I banned all of them, hopefully end of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
I noticed this yesterday as well. Just as you say.. lots of commands followed by console clear. I didn't think about it much... maybe this is HLGuard in work? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: 13. juni 2005 13:46 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
What you are describing is from servers running Mani Admin Plugin or BeetleFarts plugin. They added a rudimentary detection for the common HLH hack by sending the client cvar commands that are known to be used to execute the cheat. So when the cvar is successfull it knows that person has a cheat installed and then based on the setting it can ban them automatically. So its really nothing to worry about. Dagok - Original Message - From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
Interesting, did not know about this. Does HLGuard work for CSS? Is there any available working anticheat for CSS at this time? - Original Message - From: Dagok [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta What you are describing is from servers running Mani Admin Plugin or BeetleFarts plugin. They added a rudimentary detection for the common HLH hack by sending the client cvar commands that are known to be used to execute the cheat. So when the cvar is successfull it knows that person has a cheat installed and then based on the setting it can ban them automatically. So its really nothing to worry about. Dagok - Original Message - From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
there are no real anti-hack plugins/programs public yet, just cvar checking mechanim's that check to see if you have certain cvars active an then ban you based on the results. -KP On 6/13/05, Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, did not know about this. Does HLGuard work for CSS? Is there any available working anticheat for CSS at this time? - Original Message - From: Dagok [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta What you are describing is from servers running Mani Admin Plugin or BeetleFarts plugin. They added a rudimentary detection for the common HLH hack by sending the client cvar commands that are known to be used to execute the cheat. So when the cvar is successfull it knows that person has a cheat installed and then based on the setting it can ban them automatically. So its really nothing to worry about. Dagok - Original Message - From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
Are there any cvars checks possible to detect nonsteam? - Original Message - From: KingPin Servers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta there are no real anti-hack plugins/programs public yet, just cvar checking mechanim's that check to see if you have certain cvars active an then ban you based on the results. -KP On 6/13/05, Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, did not know about this. Does HLGuard work for CSS? Is there any available working anticheat for CSS at this time? - Original Message - From: Dagok [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta What you are describing is from servers running Mani Admin Plugin or BeetleFarts plugin. They added a rudimentary detection for the common HLH hack by sending the client cvar commands that are known to be used to execute the cheat. So when the cvar is successfull it knows that person has a cheat installed and then based on the setting it can ban them automatically. So its really nothing to worry about. Dagok - Original Message - From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
I think, VAC2 will be ready as soon as somebody hacks Valve or it gets leaked to the cheat coders. After all, how many teenage punks would stay interested in a game for so long if they couldn't cheat? Think that's crazy? Just wait and see how long it takes to find VAC2 proof cheats. Megatron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] anyone have a link to download the mani anticheat -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
See http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com Mani's has a nice documentation, explaining how to setup hlh-protection. Your server has to run mani's, though. Hajo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] anyone have a link to download the mani anticheat -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] i have beetlemod on there do you know if bm has the same anticheat as mani? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
I can't join any of the VAC servers, It will get to Verifying and Downloading Resources and it will download Security Module and freeze up for a second and then say Error about Cannot verify, any ideas? This never happened on VAC 1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
The VAC2 Beta refers to the servers enabling VAC2. The servers don't do the cheat detection, so that testing is completely independant, and I believe has been going on since march/april. Steve (aka Mudboy) The-Space.net Jonathan wrote: Apologies if I've somehow missed this in an earlier message from someone else (or Alfred, even), but the last I knew of VAC2, it was still in connectivity testing. This was several weeks, I believe, before the recent update that seems to have expanded the beta to 1.6. So, where exactly are we with the beta test? Still connectivity, or have we moved along to cheat detection testing? Just curious to see how it's progressing. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
Zachary Doherty wrote: I can't join any of the VAC servers, It will get to Verifying and Downloading Resources and it will download Security Module and freeze up for a second and then say Error about Cannot verify, any ideas? This never happened on VAC 1 Its a known issue with the VAC 2 BETA. The figures I've seen bandied about are 1 in 4 players will not be able to connect to a server that has the beta enabled. Also, as Steve Dalberg has just posted, it doesn't actually do any cheat detection. Stephen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
i have beetlemod on there do you know if bm has the same anticheat as mani? Yes, it does. Mani uses the same method as BM, bm had it first. Check BM's documentation to see how to set it up. It's enabled by default. http://qoda.net/cssource/minimumadmin/doc/#CheatDetection ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta
On 6/13/05, Dagok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you are describing is from servers running Mani Admin Plugin or BeetleFarts plugin. Correct. They added a rudimentary detection for the common HLH hack by sending the client cvar commands that are known to be used to execute the cheat. correct. So when the cvar is successfull it knows that person has a cheat installed and then based on the setting it can ban them automatically. correct. So its really nothing to worry about. The cvars in question were not cheat detection - and the console clear is not a normal part of this process. Dagok - Original Message - From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta I am interested to know if there will be any client side protection in VAC2, as this is something I am becoming increasingly concerned with. Just yesterday one of the servers outside of my management which I play on quite regularly came to sending me a pile of cvar requests (normal for some of the hack-check systems) then it sent me a pile data which I cannot identify - followed by a console clear. Now forgive me for my paranioa, but IMO this is the start of Adware financed servers - PLEASE PROTECT THE CLIENTS FROM THE SERVERS TOO!!! On 6/13/05, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should just make a new anti-cheat altogether. If you cheat, a VALVe employee is sent to cremate your computer, using a special VALVe created grinding machine that grinds computers to a fine dust. The dust is then sold to kitten litter manufacturers. And it will be in the EULA that you agree to it. People will stop cheating real fast. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Alexander Kobbevik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta Whatever people say, its better then nothing at all! And you never know when they update it... So if you cheat... you can be cought off guard! As it is now... there is nothing at all... Even if I knew VAC2 would only catch 1/10 of cheaters I will welcome it! Happy happy joy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. juni 2005 01:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Status of VAC2 Beta -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] vac2 will come out and then the next day it will be hacked . -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
it would be very easy to use the same ip, if you are in the same building behind the same router. Friends having a lan party, room mates, my ex-girlfriends 3 kids are behind the same router. Ned Ook wrote: I did an analysis of my logs. The suspect always connects from 24.175.189.64, and I found 4 different Steam IDs, each ID with a unique set of names. What is the chance that 4 different people can connect and somehow show up as being from the same IP? I banned all of them, hopefully end of story. - Original Message - From: Ned Haskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? It could be as simple them both using the same broadband connection for steam. While using a dialup box to im you which would have a different ip. As in, they are both in on it, ban the ip and let them sort it out with valve. Ned Kevin Ottalini wrote: it doesn't have to be that complex ... they are just cooperating together to try and get the cousin unbanned. All the good player has to do is let his bad cousin use his steam account from the banned IP so it looks like (effectively) they are both ip banned even though they are on different ip - and the good player just talks to you (IM) normally from his normal ip address. I personally would ban both of them. - Original Message - From: Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 11:31 PM Subject: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? Is it possible for someone to spoof an IP address when they connect to a server? One of my regulars IM'd me and said he could not connect to my server. He gave me his steam account login to test it and I verified his steam account could connect to my server just fine. I had him go to what is my ip address via google, and then had him hit my web server so I could verify his ip address - they were the same. He said he was still banned. I inspected my ban lists, and neither his steam id nor his ip address were in them. Just to test, I removed a different IP address that belongs to someone that knows him that I recently banned (I think they are cousins or something like that) (it's a long story), and then he was able to connect. But when he connected, he connected from the banned ip that I just unbanned, not the ip he hit my web server with. So - here is the confusion. I verify his ip address, but when he connects, it's from a different ip address. I think I'm being jerked around - Either he (or something somewhere) is somehow spoofing his ip address, or he is talking to me from one place, and he has his cousin (who was banned) on the phone and to make a long story short, they were trying to con me into unbanning his cousin. So - is there any way he can IM from one address, but when he connects to my server, connect from a different ip address? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
Supposedly, one is in Houston, the other in Austin. If they lived close together, I'd buy it. What I discovered is that one person was masquerading as 3 or 4 different people, using 3 or 4 different Steam IDs, but always from the same IP address - it was the IP address that gave it all away, as it is a residential account. After I banned him, he IM'd me several times telling me about how he has hacked this or that steam account, and how he was gong to hack my server and my network, etc. I ended up banning both of them for trying to jerk me around. When in doubt, ban the lout. - Original Message - From: Ned Haskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? it would be very easy to use the same ip, if you are in the same building behind the same router. Friends having a lan party, room mates, my ex-girlfriends 3 kids are behind the same router. Ned Ook wrote: I did an analysis of my logs. The suspect always connects from 24.175.189.64, and I found 4 different Steam IDs, each ID with a unique set of names. What is the chance that 4 different people can connect and somehow show up as being from the same IP? I banned all of them, hopefully end of story. - Original Message - From: Ned Haskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? It could be as simple them both using the same broadband connection for steam. While using a dialup box to im you which would have a different ip. As in, they are both in on it, ban the ip and let them sort it out with valve. Ned Kevin Ottalini wrote: it doesn't have to be that complex ... they are just cooperating together to try and get the cousin unbanned. All the good player has to do is let his bad cousin use his steam account from the banned IP so it looks like (effectively) they are both ip banned even though they are on different ip - and the good player just talks to you (IM) normally from his normal ip address. I personally would ban both of them. - Original Message - From: Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 11:31 PM Subject: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? Is it possible for someone to spoof an IP address when they connect to a server? One of my regulars IM'd me and said he could not connect to my server. He gave me his steam account login to test it and I verified his steam account could connect to my server just fine. I had him go to what is my ip address via google, and then had him hit my web server so I could verify his ip address - they were the same. He said he was still banned. I inspected my ban lists, and neither his steam id nor his ip address were in them. Just to test, I removed a different IP address that belongs to someone that knows him that I recently banned (I think they are cousins or something like that) (it's a long story), and then he was able to connect. But when he connected, he connected from the banned ip that I just unbanned, not the ip he hit my web server with. So - here is the confusion. I verify his ip address, but when he connects, it's from a different ip address. I think I'm being jerked around - Either he (or something somewhere) is somehow spoofing his ip address, or he is talking to me from one place, and he has his cousin (who was banned) on the phone and to make a long story short, they were trying to con me into unbanning his cousin. So - is there any way he can IM from one address, but when he connects to my server, connect from a different ip address? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
If you still have that e-mail you should notify the authorities and his ISP. Maybe nothing will come of it, but who knows, maybe something will (like losing his RR connection - hey I can dream right?) :) Rick Payton, IT Support Morikawa Associates (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:06 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? Supposedly, one is in Houston, the other in Austin. If they lived close together, I'd buy it. What I discovered is that one person was masquerading as 3 or 4 different people, using 3 or 4 different Steam IDs, but always from the same IP address - it was the IP address that gave it all away, as it is a residential account. After I banned him, he IM'd me several times telling me about how he has hacked this or that steam account, and how he was gong to hack my server and my network, etc. I ended up banning both of them for trying to jerk me around. When in doubt, ban the lout. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
If I could find something that his ISP would respect, I would, but I'm not sure that IM messages or email would be good enough. After all, anyone could fake an email/IM in an attempt to get revenge at someone. Which brings up the question - what kind of evidences would ISPs accept? What does it take to get the attention of an ISP or law enforcement? This person has bragged that he has hacked several Steam accounts, and has threatened to hack mine. But all I have are server and IM logs. - Original Message - From: Rick Payton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? If you still have that e-mail you should notify the authorities and his ISP. Maybe nothing will come of it, but who knows, maybe something will (like losing his RR connection - hey I can dream right?) :) Rick Payton, IT Support Morikawa Associates (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:06 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? Supposedly, one is in Houston, the other in Austin. If they lived close together, I'd buy it. What I discovered is that one person was masquerading as 3 or 4 different people, using 3 or 4 different Steam IDs, but always from the same IP address - it was the IP address that gave it all away, as it is a residential account. After I banned him, he IM'd me several times telling me about how he has hacked this or that steam account, and how he was gong to hack my server and my network, etc. I ended up banning both of them for trying to jerk me around. When in doubt, ban the lout. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
Call his ISP and ask? And call the authorities and ask? If anything, the a-mail might actually help. His ISP can ask your ISP for a copy of the message maybe? I don't know, here at work we archive all messages, I'm not sure how ISP's handle their e-mail. Plus people would probably freak if they knew their ISP kept copies of all their personal e-mail. Plus people would probably freak if they knew their ISP kept copies of all their personal e-mail. Rick Payton, IT Support Morikawa Associates (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:42 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? If I could find something that his ISP would respect, I would, but I'm not sure that IM messages or email would be good enough. After all, anyone could fake an email/IM in an attempt to get revenge at someone. Which brings up the question - what kind of evidences would ISPs accept? What does it take to get the attention of an ISP or law enforcement? This person has bragged that he has hacked several Steam accounts, and has threatened to hack mine. But all I have are server and IM logs. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
The ISP will accept firewall log files showing attacks, so if he really does try to hack your server you can send those to your ISP and his, I don't know about the emails, but if he did attack they would show premeditation. Ned Rick Payton wrote: Call his ISP and ask? And call the authorities and ask? If anything, the a-mail might actually help. His ISP can ask your ISP for a copy of the message maybe? I don't know, here at work we archive all messages, I'm not sure how ISP's handle their e-mail. Plus people would probably freak if they knew their ISP kept copies of all their personal e-mail. Plus people would probably freak if they knew their ISP kept copies of all their personal e-mail. Rick Payton, IT Support Morikawa Associates (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:42 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? If I could find something that his ISP would respect, I would, but I'm not sure that IM messages or email would be good enough. After all, anyone could fake an email/IM in an attempt to get revenge at someone. Which brings up the question - what kind of evidences would ISPs accept? What does it take to get the attention of an ISP or law enforcement? This person has bragged that he has hacked several Steam accounts, and has threatened to hack mine. But all I have are server and IM logs. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[OT] [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
This is a bit OT - but I used to work for a conpany that provided people finding services. We had massive databases going back 20 years that contained name, address, divorce, bankruptcy, and business information. If I was a subscriber to these databases (and it is cheap and easy to become one) and if you were to give me your last name and phone number or address, and I'll tell you your name, SSN, and every address you have lived at for the last 20 years, and the same information for your relatives and neighbors, and your marraiges and divorces and bankruptcy filings and everytime you got evicted from your home. People would freak if they realized what kind of public records are being kept, or how easy it was to get it. Worried about Uncle Sam watching? Hell, the private sector puts Uncle Sam to shame with the records they keep on people. Privacy? Privacy is a freakin' joke, there is no privacy. - Original Message - From: Rick Payton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? Call his ISP and ask? And call the authorities and ask? If anything, the a-mail might actually help. His ISP can ask your ISP for a copy of the message maybe? I don't know, here at work we archive all messages, I'm not sure how ISP's handle their e-mail. Plus people would probably freak if they knew their ISP kept copies of all their personal e-mail. Plus people would probably freak if they knew their ISP kept copies of all their personal e-mail. Rick Payton, IT Support Morikawa Associates (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:42 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? If I could find something that his ISP would respect, I would, but I'm not sure that IM messages or email would be good enough. After all, anyone could fake an email/IM in an attempt to get revenge at someone. Which brings up the question - what kind of evidences would ISPs accept? What does it take to get the attention of an ISP or law enforcement? This person has bragged that he has hacked several Steam accounts, and has threatened to hack mine. But all I have are server and IM logs. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Re: stats command in srcds console
CPU is the percent of your CPU (central processing unit) being used. In and Out shows the incoming and outgoing network bandwidth being used by the server. Mebucko - Original Message - From: leo bounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: [hlds] Re: stats command in srcds console Is there some place that explains what the info means when you type stats in your server console ? I see this in my console: CPU IN OUT Uptime Users FPS players What does CPU and IN / OUT mean with this command ? I see the numbers I just don't understand the data. Thanks for any info on this. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server?
Forward the email to the 'abuse' people at his isp. If they do save copies of outgoing email (which they probably do), and can look on their own system and see that he sent it, there's no disputing the authenticity of it. If that's the case then they might do something like yank his account etc. Worst that can happen is you'll waste your time forwarding an email, so not much to lose if you do. - Original Message - From: OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? If I could find something that his ISP would respect, I would, but I'm not sure that IM messages or email would be good enough. After all, anyone could fake an email/IM in an attempt to get revenge at someone. Which brings up the question - what kind of evidences would ISPs accept? What does it take to get the attention of an ISP or law enforcement? This person has bragged that he has hacked several Steam accounts, and has threatened to hack mine. But all I have are server and IM logs. - Original Message - From: Rick Payton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? If you still have that e-mail you should notify the authorities and his ISP. Maybe nothing will come of it, but who knows, maybe something will (like losing his RR connection - hey I can dream right?) :) Rick Payton, IT Support Morikawa Associates (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:06 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] IP Spoofing hlds server? Supposedly, one is in Houston, the other in Austin. If they lived close together, I'd buy it. What I discovered is that one person was masquerading as 3 or 4 different people, using 3 or 4 different Steam IDs, but always from the same IP address - it was the IP address that gave it all away, as it is a residential account. After I banned him, he IM'd me several times telling me about how he has hacked this or that steam account, and how he was gong to hack my server and my network, etc. I ended up banning both of them for trying to jerk me around. When in doubt, ban the lout. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Servers Stay on Master List
I've been doing a lot of testing with HL2DM and CS:S servers to try and identify when/why they fall off the master list. My test scenario is two servers behind a linksys BEFSR41 router which owns a static IP address and one server direct on it's own static IP address. All systems are XP Pro Win32, the systems run nothing but HL2 Servers. All test servers share the same dsl line that also hosts a 24/7 HLDM server. All servers suffer the same line outages (my dsl resets itself from time to time). I found that within 30 to 40 hours all HL2 servers (behind a router or not) would stop communicating with the master list server. (This would indicate that the problem has nothing to do with the server being behind a router.) One thing I've recently stumbled on is that if I do NOT run a high-res timer on the systems, all the servers will remain on the master list. Currently 78 hours on for the two servers behind a router and 50 hours for the server on it's own IP. Can anyone correlate this for me on their servers? I'm unsure what the Linux equivalent would be for this, but I'll copy the linux list as well. qUiCkSiLvEr ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
