Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Steven Hartland

Sounds like you really need to move providers. If your current provider wont 
even let you use RDP they have no customer service so
are not worth hosting with. I appreciate there's the whole player base issue 
but if your not getting the performance due to them
forcing you to use VNC then your going to loose those players anyway.

   Steve
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From: "Gigabit Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The mail client is Microsofts live.com webmail client for Hotmail. It's on the 
default settings, so if you know of anything that
would make it easier to read let me know.We've talked to the hosting company, 
and trust me, it's their policy for their customers
to use VNC, I prefer Terminal Services, I've seen the difference, I know the 
benefits, but we're it's the hosting companies
servers so we are tied by their rules




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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Whisper
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I sent an invite anyhow.

Go on, you know you want to.

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> The mail client is Microsofts live.com webmail client for Hotmail. It's on
> the default settings, so if you know of anything that would make it easier
> to read let me know.We've talked to the hosting company, and trust me,
> it's their policy for their customers to use VNC, I prefer Terminal
> Services, I've seen the difference, I know the benefits, but we're it's the
> hosting companies servers so we are tied by their rules.> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re:
> [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007
> 13:39:37 +> > You really need to sort you mail client as your responses
> are> almost impossible to read.> > With respect ports you could always
> change the default port:>
> http://www.petri.co.il/change_terminal_server_listening_port.htm> > That's
> said have you spoken to your host about RDP? Im sure they> wouldn't mind
> just opening this port even if its closed. If they> are reticent to do so Im
> sure mentioning cancellation will change> their mind quickly.> > Steve>
> - Original Message -> From: "Gigabit Nick" <
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RE: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Gigabit Nick
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The mail client is Microsofts live.com webmail client for Hotmail. It's on the 
default settings, so if you know of anything that would make it easier to read 
let me know.We've talked to the hosting company, and trust me, it's their 
policy for their customers to use VNC, I prefer Terminal Services, I've seen 
the difference, I know the benefits, but we're it's the hosting companies 
servers so we are tied by their rules.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic 
ticks in Linux?> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:39:37 +> > You really need to 
sort you mail client as your responses are> almost impossible to read.> > With 
respect ports you could always change the default port:> 
http://www.petri.co.il/change_terminal_server_listening_port.htm> > That's said 
have you spoken to your host about RDP? Im sure they> wouldn't mind just 
opening this port even if its closed. If they> are reticent to do so Im sure 
mentioning cancellation will change> their mind quickly.> > Steve> - 
Original Message -> From: "Gigabit Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> --> [ Picked 
text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> As I said previously, it's the hosting 
companies rules. I'm pretty sure they block port 3389 and we don't want to risk 
breaking> their acceptable use policy> > > > 
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Whisper
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Use gmail, I can send you and invite if you want Nick

The people on this list will love you for it, and you can piss that crap
hotmail account off for signing up dodgy websites and shit.

Cheers :)

On 3/20/07, Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> You really need to sort you mail client as your responses are
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>
> With respect ports you could always change the default port:
> http://www.petri.co.il/change_terminal_server_listening_port.htm
>
> That's said have you spoken to your host about RDP? Im sure they
> wouldn't mind just opening this port even if its closed. If they
> are reticent to do so Im sure mentioning cancellation will change
> their mind quickly.
>
> Steve
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gigabit Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> As I said previously, it's the hosting companies rules. I'm pretty sure
> they block port 3389 and we don't want to risk breaking
> their acceptable use policy
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Steven Hartland

You really need to sort you mail client as your responses are
almost impossible to read.

With respect ports you could always change the default port:
http://www.petri.co.il/change_terminal_server_listening_port.htm

That's said have you spoken to your host about RDP? Im sure they
wouldn't mind just opening this port even if its closed. If they
are reticent to do so Im sure mentioning cancellation will change
their mind quickly.

   Steve
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As I said previously, it's the hosting companies rules. I'm pretty sure they 
block port 3389 and we don't want to risk breaking
their acceptable use policy




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RE: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Gigabit Nick
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As I said previously, it's the hosting companies rules. I'm pretty sure they 
block port 3389 and we don't want to risk breaking their acceptable use 
policy.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: 
[hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 
08:20:52 +> > Gigabit Nick wrote:> > but (going back to the original start 
of this thread fork) if there> > was a solution to limit the manipulation of 
the high precision timer> > to srcds and not make it system wide it would be 
good for us.> > No and there never will be because you are changing the 
scheduler> frequency and that will always affect the entire machine.> > If you 
have VNC access there should be nothing to stop you enabling> RDP access then 
turning off VNC, might want to speak to your host> about this as well see if 
they are willing to change their policy as> I cant see why anyone would want to 
use VNC anymore.> > Steve> > > 
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Steven Hartland

Gary Stanley wrote:

IMO RDP has much less overhead than the rather.. VNC was ok for it's
time, but not anymore.


Indeed Gary before VNC was usable in its day but after using RDP you'll
never go back. Its just so much more responsive not to mention you get
file transfer support as well if required and with Linux clients as well
now I dont see any real need for VNC on a Windows server.

   Steve



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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Gary Stanley

At 04:20 AM 3/19/2007, Steven Hartland wrote:

Gigabit Nick wrote:

but (going back to the original start of this thread fork) if there
was a solution to limit the manipulation of the high precision timer
to srcds and not make it system wide it would be good for us.


No and there never will be because you are changing the scheduler
frequency and that will always affect the entire machine.

If you have VNC access there should be nothing to stop you enabling
RDP access then turning off VNC, might want to speak to your host
about this as well see if they are willing to change their policy as
I cant see why anyone would want to use VNC anymore.

   Steve



IMO RDP has much less overhead than the rather.. VNC was ok for it's
time, but not anymore.



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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-19 Thread Steven Hartland

Gigabit Nick wrote:

but (going back to the original start of this thread fork) if there
was a solution to limit the manipulation of the high precision timer
to srcds and not make it system wide it would be good for us.


No and there never will be because you are changing the scheduler
frequency and that will always affect the entire machine.

If you have VNC access there should be nothing to stop you enabling
RDP access then turning off VNC, might want to speak to your host
about this as well see if they are willing to change their policy as
I cant see why anyone would want to use VNC anymore.

   Steve



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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-18 Thread Whisper
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I think it would be good for all of us Nick

On 3/19/07, Gigabit Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Which would be sooo easy if the server favourites list didn't work off of
> the IP address. As it stands if we change hosting company anyone who has
> saved our server in their favourites list will lose it because the IP will
> change (which I still say is just plain dumb anyone want to restart the "add
> option to save servers in favourites using a DNS name configured in the
> server" thread?).We currently we work around the problem be using HLSW to
> check how busy the servers are and then log in if it's quiet, but (going
> back to the original start of this thread fork) if there was a solution to
> limit the manipulation of the high precision timer to srcds and not make it
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RE: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-18 Thread Gigabit Nick
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Which would be sooo easy if the server favourites list didn't work off of the 
IP address. As it stands if we change hosting company anyone who has saved our 
server in their favourites list will lose it because the IP will change (which 
I still say is just plain dumb anyone want to restart the "add option to save 
servers in favourites using a DNS name configured in the server" thread?).We 
currently we work around the problem be using HLSW to check how busy the 
servers are and then log in if it's quiet, but (going back to the original 
start of this thread fork) if there was a solution to limit the manipulation of 
the high precision timer to srcds and not make it system wide it would be good 
for us.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: 
[hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 
14:00:08 +> > Gigabit Nick wrote:> > It's a something imposed by the 
company hosting the server and is out> > of our control.> > Simple answer then, 
change hosting companies to one which isnt> stupid.> > Steve> > > 
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-18 Thread Steven Hartland

Gigabit Nick wrote:

It's a something imposed by the company hosting the server and is out
of our control.


Simple answer then, change hosting companies to one which isnt
stupid.

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RE: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-18 Thread Gigabit Nick
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It's a something imposed by the company hosting the server and is out of our 
control.




> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] 
> Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 
> 15:23:37 +> > Gigabit Nick wrote:> > --> > [ Picked text/plain from 
> multipart/alternative ]> > Thats exactly how I mean it to be read.> >> > 
> Without an FPS booster VNC takes between 4 and 8 percent, with an FPS> > 
> booster we're looking at 20% which is enough to affect the servers> > running 
> on the box. I'm aware other things may also be affected, but> > when one 
> process is eating 20% of your CPU and the others are still> > around the 5% 
> mark it's something to be aware of.> >> > I can't say what the load is when 
> not connected via VNC because VNC> > is the only thing we use to admin the 
> servers.> > Ok stupid question why are you using VNC and not RDP?> > Steve> > 
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-17 Thread Cc2iscooL
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Most types of computers do have an RDP system, though. Just search google. I
know for a fact that Linux has an RDP client (at least in Kubuntu).

I'm sure there's also a Mac equivalent out there. Either way, RDP will most
likely use much less resources, I know it doesn't even use much when I'm on
any of my servers with RDP. (Under 1% CPU usage usually)

On 3/17/07, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> He may want/need to administrate his servers from a computer not
> running Windows.
>
> On 3/17/07, Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gigabit Nick wrote:
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> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > Thats exactly how I mean it to be read.
> > >
> > > Without an FPS booster VNC takes between 4 and 8 percent, with an FPS
> > > booster we're looking at 20% which is enough to affect the servers
> > > running on the box. I'm aware other things may also be affected, but
> > > when one process is  eating 20% of your CPU and the others are still
> > > around the 5% mark it's something to be aware of.
> > >
> > > I can't say what the load is when not connected via VNC because VNC
> > > is the only thing we use to admin the servers.
> >
> > Ok stupid question why are you using VNC and not RDP?
> >
> >Steve
> >
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-17 Thread James Gray

He may want/need to administrate his servers from a computer not
running Windows.

On 3/17/07, Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gigabit Nick wrote:
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Thats exactly how I mean it to be read.
>
> Without an FPS booster VNC takes between 4 and 8 percent, with an FPS
> booster we're looking at 20% which is enough to affect the servers
> running on the box. I'm aware other things may also be affected, but
> when one process is  eating 20% of your CPU and the others are still
> around the 5% mark it's something to be aware of.
>
> I can't say what the load is when not connected via VNC because VNC
> is the only thing we use to admin the servers.

Ok stupid question why are you using VNC and not RDP?

   Steve



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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-17 Thread Steven Hartland

Gigabit Nick wrote:

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Thats exactly how I mean it to be read.

Without an FPS booster VNC takes between 4 and 8 percent, with an FPS
booster we're looking at 20% which is enough to affect the servers
running on the box. I'm aware other things may also be affected, but
when one process is  eating 20% of your CPU and the others are still
around the 5% mark it's something to be aware of.

I can't say what the load is when not connected via VNC because VNC
is the only thing we use to admin the servers.


Ok stupid question why are you using VNC and not RDP?

   Steve



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RE: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-16 Thread Gigabit Nick
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Thats exactly how I mean it to be read.

Without an FPS booster VNC takes between 4 and 8 percent, with an FPS booster 
we're looking at 20% which is enough to affect the servers running on the box. 
I'm aware other things may also be affected, but when one process is  eating 
20% of your CPU and the others are still around the 5% mark it's something to 
be aware of.

I can't say what the load is when not connected via VNC because VNC is the only 
thing we use to admin the servers.




> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] 
> Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 
> 21:49:55 +1100> > --> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> Yes I 
> am aware that increasing the timer resolution does increase the over> all CPU 
> resources used, the way Gigabit Nick put it, was that VNC was more> adversely 
> affected by the increase in timer resolution, or at least that is> how I read 
> it.> > On 3/16/07, Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > Whisper 
> wrote:> > > --> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> > > 
> Does that also occur if VNC is running on the box, but nobody is> > > 
> actually logged into VNC? Or does it only happen when somebody is> > > trying 
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> > >> If anyone is using VNC to admin thier windows box you'll find that> > >> 
> altering the timer has a bad effect on CPU usage. The higher the> > >> timer 
> resolution, the higher CPU usage to the extent that it can> > >> gobble 20% 
> of a> > >> 3.0Ghz P4.So option 2 below is possible it would help all those> > 
> >> VNCers out there> >> > This has nothing to do with VNC its the pure fact 
> of raising the> > timer resolution that causes the CPU increase, its a well 
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-16 Thread James Gray

It's not perfect, but it still does limit your FPS. You just need to
play with it a bit.

On 3/15/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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You can't though, that is the point.

13:40:25 fps_max
13:40:25 "fps_max" = "600" ( def. "300" )
 - Frame rate limiter
13:40:29 stats
13:40:29 CPU   InOut   Uptime  Users   FPSPlayers
 0.00  0.00  0.00 510 2  587.14   0
13:40:39 fps_max 400
13:40:43 stats
13:40:43 CPU   InOut   Uptime  Users   FPSPlayers
 0.00  0.00  0.00 511 2  256.34   0

See what I mean?

On 3/16/07, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At this point you could then use fps_max to further tweak the threshold.
>
> On 3/15/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > Roman
> >
> > I don't want more than that, and you sort of answer your own question
> any
> > way. :)
> >
> > 1. I don't want to only have the options of 128 / 256 / 512 as my only
> > options. I might want a bit more than 256 but not as much as 512, a 100%
> > increase over the previous setting, yes?
> > 2. It would be brilliant if we could do this so it was not system wide,
> > especially if you wanted to run more than 1 game server type on the same
> > physical server.
> >
> > Hope that makes sense
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On 3/16/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Changing Windows high resolution timer precision to 2ms, 4ms and 8ms
> > > gives you 512, 256 and 128 FPS respectively. Do you really need more
> > > than that? The only drawback is that this setting is system-wide...
> > >
> > > On 15/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --
> > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > See the quoted post below:
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a
> huge
> > > drama?
> > > >
> > > > It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the
> exact
> > > FPS
> > > > we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced
> upon us
> > > by
> > > > the OS or hardware.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Whisper
> > > >
> > > > From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released -
> server
> > > FPS
> > > > > problem
> > > > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > >
> > > > > With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer
> > > enabled
> > > > > or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically
> > > removes
> > > > > HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are
> > > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can
> have
> > > > > 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-16 Thread Roman Hatsiev

Most of your posts make sense, pal :)

I just shared the only painless way to control server FPS on Windows
platform I'm aware of. Just in case you missed it before. And I'm
afraid there is no way to get anything better than this without
significant effort from Valve team.

Regards,

Roman

On 16/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Roman

I don't want more than that, and you sort of answer your own question any
way. :)

1. I don't want to only have the options of 128 / 256 / 512 as my only
options. I might want a bit more than 256 but not as much as 512, a 100%
increase over the previous setting, yes?
2. It would be brilliant if we could do this so it was not system wide,
especially if you wanted to run more than 1 game server type on the same
physical server.

Hope that makes sense

Cheers

On 3/16/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Changing Windows high resolution timer precision to 2ms, 4ms and 8ms
> gives you 512, 256 and 128 FPS respectively. Do you really need more
> than that? The only drawback is that this setting is system-wide...
>
> On 15/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > See the quoted post below:
> >
> > Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a huge
> drama?
> >
> > It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the exact
> FPS
> > we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced upon us
> by
> > the OS or hardware.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Whisper
> >
> > From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released - server
> FPS
> > > problem
> > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >
> > > With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer
> enabled
> > > or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically
> removes
> > > HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are
> needed.
> > >
> > > Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can have
> > > 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-16 Thread Whisper
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Yes I am aware that increasing the timer resolution does increase the over
all CPU resources used, the way Gigabit Nick put it, was that VNC was more
adversely affected by the increase in timer resolution, or at least that is
how I read it.

On 3/16/07, Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Whisper wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > Does that also occur if VNC is running on the box, but nobody is
> > actually logged into VNC? Or does it only happen when somebody is
> > trying to do stuff via VNC?
> > On 3/16/07, Gigabit Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> --
> >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >> If anyone is using VNC to admin thier windows box you'll find that
> >> altering the timer has a bad effect on CPU usage. The higher the
> >> timer resolution, the higher CPU usage to the extent that it can
> >> gobble 20% of a
> >> 3.0Ghz P4.So option 2 below is possible it would help all those
> >> VNCers out there
>
> This has nothing to do with VNC its the pure fact of raising the
> timer resolution that causes the CPU increase, its a well known
> fact.
>
> Steve
>
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-16 Thread Steven Hartland

Whisper wrote:

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Does that also occur if VNC is running on the box, but nobody is
actually logged into VNC? Or does it only happen when somebody is
trying to do stuff via VNC?
On 3/16/07, Gigabit Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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If anyone is using VNC to admin thier windows box you'll find that
altering the timer has a bad effect on CPU usage. The higher the
timer resolution, the higher CPU usage to the extent that it can
gobble 20% of a
3.0Ghz P4.So option 2 below is possible it would help all those
VNCers out there


This has nothing to do with VNC its the pure fact of raising the
timer resolution that causes the CPU increase, its a well known
fact.

   Steve



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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-16 Thread Whisper
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Does that also occur if VNC is running on the box, but nobody is actually
logged into VNC? Or does it only happen when somebody is trying to do stuff
via VNC?

Thanks

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>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> If anyone is using VNC to admin thier windows box you'll find that
> altering the timer has a bad effect on CPU usage. The higher the timer
> resolution, the higher CPU usage to the extent that it can gobble 20% of a
> 3.0Ghz P4.So option 2 below is possible it would help all those VNCers out
> there
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RE: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread Gigabit Nick
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If anyone is using VNC to admin thier windows box you'll find that altering the 
timer has a bad effect on CPU usage. The higher the timer resolution, the 
higher CPU usage to the extent that it can gobble 20% of a 3.0Ghz P4.So option 
2 below is possible it would help all those VNCers out thereOn 3/15/07, Whisper 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> --> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative 
]> Roman>> I don't want more than that, and you sort of answer your own 
question any> way. :)>> 1. I don't want to only have the options of 128 / 256 / 
512 as my only> options. I might want a bit more than 256 but not as much as 
512, a 100%> increase over the previous setting, yes?> 2. It would be brilliant 
if we could do this so it was not system wide,> especially if you wanted to run 
more than 1 game server type on the same> physical server.>> Hope that makes 
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread Whisper
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You can't though, that is the point.

13:40:25 fps_max
13:40:25 "fps_max" = "600" ( def. "300" )
  - Frame rate limiter
13:40:29 stats
13:40:29 CPU   InOut   Uptime  Users   FPSPlayers
  0.00  0.00  0.00 510 2  587.14   0
13:40:39 fps_max 400
13:40:43 stats
13:40:43 CPU   InOut   Uptime  Users   FPSPlayers
  0.00  0.00  0.00 511 2  256.34   0

See what I mean?

On 3/16/07, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At this point you could then use fps_max to further tweak the threshold.
>
> On 3/15/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > Roman
> >
> > I don't want more than that, and you sort of answer your own question
> any
> > way. :)
> >
> > 1. I don't want to only have the options of 128 / 256 / 512 as my only
> > options. I might want a bit more than 256 but not as much as 512, a 100%
> > increase over the previous setting, yes?
> > 2. It would be brilliant if we could do this so it was not system wide,
> > especially if you wanted to run more than 1 game server type on the same
> > physical server.
> >
> > Hope that makes sense
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On 3/16/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Changing Windows high resolution timer precision to 2ms, 4ms and 8ms
> > > gives you 512, 256 and 128 FPS respectively. Do you really need more
> > > than that? The only drawback is that this setting is system-wide...
> > >
> > > On 15/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --
> > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > See the quoted post below:
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a
> huge
> > > drama?
> > > >
> > > > It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the
> exact
> > > FPS
> > > > we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced
> upon us
> > > by
> > > > the OS or hardware.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Whisper
> > > >
> > > > From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released -
> server
> > > FPS
> > > > > problem
> > > > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > >
> > > > > With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer
> > > enabled
> > > > > or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically
> > > removes
> > > > > HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are
> > > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can
> have
> > > > > 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread James Gray

At this point you could then use fps_max to further tweak the threshold.

On 3/15/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Roman

I don't want more than that, and you sort of answer your own question any
way. :)

1. I don't want to only have the options of 128 / 256 / 512 as my only
options. I might want a bit more than 256 but not as much as 512, a 100%
increase over the previous setting, yes?
2. It would be brilliant if we could do this so it was not system wide,
especially if you wanted to run more than 1 game server type on the same
physical server.

Hope that makes sense

Cheers

On 3/16/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Changing Windows high resolution timer precision to 2ms, 4ms and 8ms
> gives you 512, 256 and 128 FPS respectively. Do you really need more
> than that? The only drawback is that this setting is system-wide...
>
> On 15/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > See the quoted post below:
> >
> > Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a huge
> drama?
> >
> > It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the exact
> FPS
> > we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced upon us
> by
> > the OS or hardware.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Whisper
> >
> > From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released - server
> FPS
> > > problem
> > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >
> > > With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer
> enabled
> > > or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically
> removes
> > > HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are
> needed.
> > >
> > > Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can have
> > > 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
> > --
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread Whisper
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Roman

I don't want more than that, and you sort of answer your own question any
way. :)

1. I don't want to only have the options of 128 / 256 / 512 as my only
options. I might want a bit more than 256 but not as much as 512, a 100%
increase over the previous setting, yes?
2. It would be brilliant if we could do this so it was not system wide,
especially if you wanted to run more than 1 game server type on the same
physical server.

Hope that makes sense

Cheers

On 3/16/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Changing Windows high resolution timer precision to 2ms, 4ms and 8ms
> gives you 512, 256 and 128 FPS respectively. Do you really need more
> than that? The only drawback is that this setting is system-wide...
>
> On 15/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > See the quoted post below:
> >
> > Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a huge
> drama?
> >
> > It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the exact
> FPS
> > we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced upon us
> by
> > the OS or hardware.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Whisper
> >
> > From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released - server
> FPS
> > > problem
> > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >
> > > With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer
> enabled
> > > or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically
> removes
> > > HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are
> needed.
> > >
> > > Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can have
> > > 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
> > --
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread Roman Hatsiev

Changing Windows high resolution timer precision to 2ms, 4ms and 8ms
gives you 512, 256 and 128 FPS respectively. Do you really need more
than that? The only drawback is that this setting is system-wide...

On 15/03/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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See the quoted post below:

Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a huge drama?

It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the exact FPS
we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced upon us by
the OS or hardware.

Cheers
Whisper

From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released - server FPS
> problem
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>
> With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer enabled
> or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically removes
> HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are needed.
>
> Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can have
> 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
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Re: [hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread Gary Stanley

At 12:35 PM 3/15/2007, Whisper wrote:

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See the quoted post below:

Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a huge drama?

It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the exact FPS
we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced upon us by
the OS or hardware.

Cheers
Whisper


Turn off ACPI and run it as standard PC. HAL is the magic bullet when
it comes to server fps. Unfortunately, Standard PC removes the
ability to run SMP.

Or you could just bug valve to add a QueryPerformanceTimer() wrapper
on their sleep stuff to make it perform as good as other non microsloth OS's..


From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released - server FPS
> problem
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>
> With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer enabled
> or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically removes
> HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are needed.
>
> Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can have
> 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
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That is not exactly correct. HZ just increases/decreases the
granularity of operations like sleep() etc. Increasing HZ also
increases the chances of excess clock overhead.. HRT's like HPET are
good for time sensitive programs like game servers.. Using TSC on SMP
isn't a good idea unless you figured out a way to keep the clock's in
sync.. 8254 isn't SMP friendly, and ACPI-fast is slow to read (at
least on freebsd)












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[hlds] Windows Equivalent of Dynamic ticks in Linux?

2007-03-15 Thread Whisper
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See the quoted post below:

Is there a way to do this for Windows 2000 or 2003 that is not a huge drama?

It would be fantastic to be able to run our Windows boxes at the exact FPS
we want to run them at, rather than some arbitrary number forced upon us by
the OS or hardware.

Cheers
Whisper

From: Valtteri Kiviniemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Multiplayer Update Released - server FPS
> problem
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>
> With 2.6.21 you can have 1000FPS with the High Resolution Timer enabled
> or the Dynamic Ticks. Dynamic ticks is cool because it basically removes
> HZ on your kernel, and timer interrupts happen only when they are needed.
>
> Oh, and i forgot to say that with high resolution timer you can have
> 1000FPS in HLDS with 100HZ kernel. Yes, 100HZ.
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