Re: [hlds_linux] CD
You only need one cheat to work and cheaters will use it. CD does not ban, so they kill one cheat, bust a cheater and he just picks another tool. I doesn't has a distributed ban list, so it prevents someone from using an old cheat, but does not stop him from upgrading a newer/better working one. If CD was more common tha VAC, surely there would be a lotta more cheats working with it and VAC would be perceived as the end all solution to cheating and it would be an endless loop. On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 07:05, Stefan Huszics wrote: > Nicholas Hockey wrote: > > >honestly there is no really good > >cheat prevention except good admins. > > > Yes, but if you have a tool that on average catches 90-95% of the > cheating, the workload for the admins is a hell of a lot lower... > > -- > /Stefan > > Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Uma vez o sábio disse: "Se for dirigir, não beba! Se for beber, me chame!" ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD
Punkbuster was a 3rd party tool as cd is. They dumped hl support when they wanted valve to pay them some bucks for their services and moved on to other plataforms. On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 05:54, Nicholas Hockey wrote: > -- > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > They did try outsourcing anti-cheating, remember Punk Buster, as i > remember that originally a CS thing, honestly there is no really good > cheat prevention except good admins. no matter what yo do they will find > a way around it, they get there jollies off just trying to beat whatever > is put in place, hell i know ppl who crack satellite TV receivers all > the time, just to see if they can, it's not the whooping of ass in the > game they like, it's the challenge of trying to defeat the system, it's > what much of our misdirected youth does, they have no other real vent > for the energies, and they don't see a silly little game as doing > anything truely wrong, i admit it i have cheated in the past, and its > kind of fun, but i was always honest about it before i even fired a > round, the things these kids come up with to defeat the system is > amazing, so i guess what i'm saying is, fighting over what way is the > best anti-cheat method is silly, they will always figure out a way to > circumvent whatever method you come up with, that is most popular. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD
Nicholas Hockey wrote: honestly there is no really good cheat prevention except good admins. Yes, but if you have a tool that on average catches 90-95% of the cheating, the workload for the admins is a hell of a lot lower... -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD
-- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] They did try outsourcing anti-cheating, remember Punk Buster, as i remember that originally a CS thing, honestly there is no really good cheat prevention except good admins. no matter what yo do they will find a way around it, they get there jollies off just trying to beat whatever is put in place, hell i know ppl who crack satellite TV receivers all the time, just to see if they can, it's not the whooping of ass in the game they like, it's the challenge of trying to defeat the system, it's what much of our misdirected youth does, they have no other real vent for the energies, and they don't see a silly little game as doing anything truely wrong, i admit it i have cheated in the past, and its kind of fun, but i was always honest about it before i even fired a round, the things these kids come up with to defeat the system is amazing, so i guess what i'm saying is, fighting over what way is the best anti-cheat method is silly, they will always figure out a way to circumvent whatever method you come up with, that is most popular. On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 17:23, David Lee wrote: > Cheating Death is not a solution. It is a temporary fix. A patch on top > of a patch where neither work the way they should. All current anti > cheat schemes for HL dont work. Valve's best bet would be to just > outsource the cheat protection to a group who has a dedicated team to > handling the problem. Punk Buster anyone? At least if this were to > happen, one group would be responsible for the blame. Currently, all > complaints get directed to another group when a cheat isnt detected. CD > dont work? Well tell valve to fix vac. VAC dont work? Well maybe you > should try VAC. See what i mean? Neither work, and CD only causes > problems with steam updates and does something that steam should do. > > Valve just use punk buster. Let them worry about the cheats. 1.6 in its > current state needs enough to be fixed in the server code alone. You > guys really can't afford to be wasting your manhours on VAC as well. > > > Ender wrote: > > > C-D is third party. We don't want a third party solution. This divides > > the people working on it, the servers running it, and the users using it. > > Especially when it doesnt work 100% > > > > ruwen wrote: > > > > -- > > *Thanks,* > > /David Lee/ > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- If you MUST get married, it is always advisable to marry beauty. Otherwise, you'll never find anybody to take her off your hands. -- Nicholas Hockey [KC2MMR] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encrypted E-Mail preferred çãäããèãã -- Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part [ signature.asc of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CD
So CD isn't any good cause it's third party, but turning it over to PB would be different how? As for using a third party solution causing a division between everyone... I think that's a cop out as well. I find it very, very hard to believe that anyone plays CS/HL without the aid of any other program. Be it the GameSpy type application, an IM client to meet up with friends, (since Friends is often down) IRC, etc. That's like saying don't bother running a firewall cause windows is fine the way it is. Or don't use a anti-spam program cause junk mail can just be deleted. I'm sorry... I'm all for VAC, I really am. When it first started I had high hopes for it... but unfortunately VAC hasn't become what it should have, and I don't really see that changing. That being the case, there is no option but to look for a third party solution. Be it CD, some type of PB program, etc. CD is updated much more then VAC.. so my money is on that for the time being. This wasn't totally directed at David Lee - just my thoughts on the past few messages about VAC and CD. RoAcH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CD Cheating Death is not a solution. It is a temporary fix. A patch on top of a patch where neither work the way they should. All current anti cheat schemes for HL dont work. Valve's best bet would be to just outsource the cheat protection to a group who has a dedicated team to handling the problem. Punk Buster anyone? At least if this were to happen, one group would be responsible for the blame. Currently, all complaints get directed to another group when a cheat isnt detected. CD dont work? Well tell valve to fix vac. VAC dont work? Well maybe you should try VAC. See what i mean? Neither work, and CD only causes problems with steam updates and does something that steam should do. Valve just use punk buster. Let them worry about the cheats. 1.6 in its current state needs enough to be fixed in the server code alone. You guys really can't afford to be wasting your manhours on VAC as well. Ender wrote: > C-D is third party. We don't want a third party solution. This divides > the people working on it, the servers running it, and the users using it. > Especially when it doesnt work 100% > > ruwen wrote: > -- *Thanks,* /David Lee/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
hes telling you to STFU for a while in nice words. hehe "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > What? > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sebastian > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:14 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use > > > > Can we cut down the spam deacon, sheesh, go get some fresh air. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > -Sebastian > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric > > (Deacon) > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use > > > > > Eric (The Deacon) would most likely say: > > > > > > your spelling is atrocious | we never had these problems in b6 | i'm > > leaving > > > this list now forever (returning 2 days later) > > > > RESOUNDIIING > >__ > > *--- |__| \ /\ / /_\ | |/ |* > > | | | \/ \/ / \ |__ |\ | > > o > > > > -- > > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please > > visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
Go to www.won.net click on sierra games to dl account wizard. If you recall, when starting the game there was a link, "join won.net" which is no longer there since 3109 updgrade. Now before I dl the account wizard, I eihter got "not authorized by won servers" or "cd in use". I then decided to update the account and it stopped my problem. I am not 100% sure this had an effect,so I can not specifiy as to how. It did however, allow me on the servers without delay and have had not a problem since. - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use > > Yes, when it ask's to sign up or register when you first > install(client) I > > think it used to bring you to "flipside" Anyways, the update has a > > Sierra.com name on it. "multiplayer account" Worked for me.No trouble > since. > > Can you please be very specific in where exactly you're setting up this > account and what affect this has on your AUTHing with WON? > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
Yes, when it ask's to sign up or register when you first install(client) I think it used to bring you to "flipside" Anyways, the update has a Sierra.com name on it. "multiplayer account" Worked for me.No trouble since. - Original Message - From: "Mark Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use > WON account? > > > On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 19:41, lastshooter wrote: > > I had this happen as well. I updated my WON account and has not happend > > since. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tim Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:42 AM > > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use > > > > > > > Yes, > > > I get the same thing .. what gets me is that I have had my cd-key for > > > along time now and have not shared it with anyone (I feel that if I paid > > > then everyone else should as well). > > > I have alot of servers that I help others with that run my mod and I > > > frequent alot of them. if I disconnect then reconnect to another without > > > fully going back to desktop I get the "CD-KEY in use" . > > > Is there a fix for this that I might have missed here on the board ? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >>I keep getting these errors on servers, i connect then disconnect, then > > > >>i have to wait a while before i can connect again > > > >> > > > >>does anyone know whats going on? > > > >> > > > >>*mark > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
"Jay Anstiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... | I believe this is something to with WON authing - it's happened to me a | while back, and took ma day or so to clear up. I know it was discussed | before (even I posted a query about not being able to join my own | server...) - perhaps one of the more experienced types could explain it. | Someone like Eric (The Deacon) would be spot on with his explanation :-) Eric (The Deacon) would most likely say: your spelling is atrocious | we never had these problems in b6 | i'm leaving this list now forever (returning 2 days later) :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
I don't have the patience to wait for it to clear up when it happens to me, so I starting experimenting. The only way I can manually get it to release me is to close my client and close the server down.(Just the HL engine, not talking about rebooting the whole server.) Shutting just one or the other down doesn't seem to release it. After I have successfully shutdown and restarted both server and client, I can then successful connect again. In my case, the whole problem began when I didn't have a wad file that was expected as the map was starting up, and the server wouldn't download it to me. Even though I don't explicitly have downloads turned off. It appeared that it thought I already had it and crashed and burned when it tried starting the map up without it, so my connection was already in advanced stages with the server. Chuck -Original Message- From: Mark Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use I keep getting these errors on servers, i connect then disconnect, then i have to wait a while before i can connect again does anyone know whats going on? *mark ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:52:56 -0400, Mark Ellis wrote: > I keep getting these errors on servers, i connect then disconnect, then > i have to wait a while before i can connect again > > does anyone know whats going on? > I'm not usually one to complain, but since you bring it up.. This has been happening to me for a few weeks. It's not very often, but when it does happen it kinda ticks me off. It seems to be happening to more and more people, as the amount of complains I hear about it increase. Never shared my key, used any key changer, or any cheat that might have scamed it. Somethin funky at WON... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
I believe this is something to with WON authing - it's happened to me a while back, and took ma day or so to clear up. I know it was discussed before (even I posted a query about not being able to join my own server...) - perhaps one of the more experienced types could explain it. Someone like Eric (The Deacon) would be spot on with his explanation :-) Jay. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
mine has been for the past week or so ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
Happened to me last night I was playing for the first time in months so I have no idea if this is normal these days Kveðja / Regards == Guðmundur Örn Ingvarsson Kerfisfræðingur Kerfisþjónusta/UNIX/Security Íslandssími hf Web Site - http://www.islandssimi.is E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buisness phone - +354 595 5000 == |-+---> | | Bruce Harding | | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>| | | Sent by:| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | oftware.com | | | | | | | | | 27.09.2002 14:53| | | Please respond to hlds_linux| | | | |-+---> >--| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use | >--| Has this been starting to come up for you guys or has it been happening for a while. I've jsut had a few users with the same thing in the last 24 hours, and have never had a problem before. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
Has this been starting to come up for you guys or has it been happening for a while. I've jsut had a few users with the same thing in the last 24 hours, and have never had a problem before. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CD-KEY in use
Yes, I get the same thing .. what gets me is that I have had my cd-key for along time now and have not shared it with anyone (I feel that if I paid then everyone else should as well). I have alot of servers that I help others with that run my mod and I frequent alot of them. if I disconnect then reconnect to another without fully going back to desktop I get the "CD-KEY in use" . Is there a fix for this that I might have missed here on the board ? Thanks, >>I keep getting these errors on servers, i connect then disconnect, then >>i have to wait a while before i can connect again >> >>does anyone know whats going on? >> >>*mark ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
