Re: [Hornlist] Top 4 Orchestras in the world, type your list and opinions...
IT's funny that you mention intonation about Vienna because that is generally not their strong point:) Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the top 5 orchestras in the world in your honest opinion and why?... My favorites are as follows: 1. Vienna Philharmonic- Incredible intonation, deep and dark sound, unique from other orchestra's sound wise and stylistically. 2. London Symphony- Star wars,which as you all know, VERY good recordings. Horn section is super loud but not overly loud, overall intonation is incredible. 3. Berlin Phil- Not too familiar with their current status on how they sound , but the older recordings were quite good. Their Tchaik 4 was particularly good to my taste. 4. Chicago- Loud brass, sometimes overly done, but none the less, very dramatic and helps with the emotion of the music come to life. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn case on ailines
A couple years ago, the musician's union (in the U.S.) negotiated an arrangement with the Dept. of Transportation to allow instruments to be brought on board. There were a couple of letters available thru the union, one from the Transportation Dept., the other from the union that both confirmed this arrangement, so that these can be copied and produced at the airport to remind airline and security personnel of this. You might be able to find these on the AFM website and print them off. Failing that, you might want to call ahead and explain your situation and ask them if they are aware of the agreement between the Trans Dept and the union...this might speed up the process when you arrive at airport. Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lament at the check-in, that you need the horn unharmed for a concert next day it might be stored in one of the spezial storage bins on board NOT in the luggage compartments with all the other luggage. If you notify your airline about the size of the case that it is a musical instrument, it works also. Be at the security check well in time, as they may inspect the horn specially (for bullets inside the tubings, yes no joke, I had to remove the slides blow through the horn once). Wrapping the horn in bubble plastic sheet packing it into a strong box, well, it works well for a long distance overseas flight, but how to get rid of the box, when continuing your journey by train ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Horn case on ailines Does anyone know if you can get a standard conn 8d case in carry on storage on most standard 7-- jets? thanks, Ron ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A weekend in New York
I was flying this last weekend, taking people to New York. I saw in the paper the Phil was putting on it's annual Christmas Brass concert. The Canadian Brass and the Phil Brass was absolutely phenomenal. Phil Meyers has a sound which is second to none. When Phil played out, he filled the hall with such a gorgeous horn tone that it was awe inspiring. It was a fantastic treat for me. I hope everyone, when visiting New York, will be able to make the trek to the Center and get their fill of Phil. Jeff ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Bigger, Deeper, Darker Sound...
This seller is funny, I think I've seen him/her sell horns with similarly info-mercialed descriptions. RIDE THE SNAKE Chris --- Alan Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...for only $15 + shipping. Check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=3769929290rd=1 If you do, if you spring for it, if it's any good, let me know. If it really delivers bigger, deeper, darker sound, it's a bargain at twice the price, no? -- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Storage
Apparently I'm not the only one for whom horn storage is a recent household topic. I have 2 horns, 2 hard cases, and 2 gig bags, plus the usual pile of music, mutes, mouthpieces, tools, toothbrushes, etc. My wife went on a shopping expedition to Ikea intent on finding something to hold all of it and what she brought back is perfect - a wardrobe. For those not familiar with the term, it's a box around 5 feet (1.5 m) tall, with doors on the front, intended for storing clothes. Inside is a bar across the top for hanging clothes, and a couple of shelves at the bottom. I didn't install the bar, but instead screwed two rubber-coated J-hooks (the same kind that hang my 8 bicycles) into the top. Two horns fit easily, and I think four would fit if you were careful. The 8D hard case and the fixed-bell gig bag fit on the bottom shelf. The cut-bell hard case and gig bag fit on the upper shelf, along with the rest of the stuff. Another shelf would be a big help - should be a simple matter of a piece of pine and some brackets. It's very nice to be able to empty the horn, hang it on the hook, and close the doors. New but related topic - how do people file music - by composer? title? purpose (solo, etude books, chamber music, etc.)? LIFO (Last In First Out)? Ted Durant Milwaukee WI USA ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] storage problem
Scottito wrote I have been ordered to remove my collection of horns from our living room.I can keep the one I am playing and my daughter's horn in there, but I have to store 5 others in my den. There is no room in the closet in there or on the floor so I have to come up with some sort of shelving solution. I need to be able to put the horns up there and take them down easily, and it has to be at least 5 feet off the floor. Any creative solutions out there? * Not worry Mr. Scottito! We will be pleasure to provide you're own very trustworthy Personal Hornplayer Assistant who will over to you house for arranging extra horns so that they is no longer in you're way! We offer such service to you free from expense since your such special person Mr. Scottito! Just you leave key under you're front door mat and you're own very reliable Personal Hornplayer Assistant is solving pesky problem in no time at all! Don't mention it! Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns on airlines
Season's Bleatings to you all. I thought you might find this information useful since the ugly topic of traveling by air with horns has lifted off once again. I have had wonderful, and other times merciless, treatment from the airlines with my instrument. There seems to be no rhyme or reason why the individual airlines choose to allow a horn onboard one day and not the next. There are, of course, some obvious reasons, including how full the flight is, the size of the cabin and its storage space, and how rude the customer has been to the gate attendants. But there is still no consistency within an airline, let alone the same daily flight. In the past, when I used a hard case, I could often simply request to pre-board with my horn and find a space, and that worked really well (the closets up front are great). Other times I've been told to board with everyone else, and still other times they've insisted that the hard-case horn be packed down below with the snarling dogs. Since I bought my Thompson Edition case, I've rarely had trouble getting it cabinside. Travelling to Spain with my horn studio this summer demonstrated these difficulties. Our travel agent had made arrangements early on with Delta to take good care of the 14 horns going with us, by handling them as fragile if they could not go above board. Some hard cases got on, some were required to go below. While sitting on the tarmac waiting, we watched in abject horror as cargo workers hurled the horns onto the belt. this AFTER I had spoken with the check-in people about the necessity of handling them as fragile. I will probably not fly Delta again, at least not on my own tab. This information is taken from the website of the American Federation of Musicians (www.afm.org): ***Musical Instruments As Carry-On Luggage Since 9-11 and the resulting heightened airport security, musicians have had difficulties carrying their instruments to out of town gigs. To remedy this, AFM worked with Congress to insure that the 2001 Airport Security Act contained language encouraging security personnel to accommodate musicians and their instruments. When it was found that, in spite of this language, musicians were still having problems at the airports, the AFM persuaded the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to issue a directive to its personnel requiring them to accommodate musicians. The resulting TSA letter has practically eliminated problems with government screeners, but musicians are still having difficulties with the airlines, who are not covered by the TSA directive. To remedy this, the AFM is negotiating with the airlines through their trade association, the Air Transport association (ATA), to make it easier for musicians to travel with their instruments. Both letters can be downloaded by members only below. 1st TSA letter 2nd TSA letter Our members still have problems, however, with some of the airlines. The AFM continues to work with individual airlines to clarify their respective policies and ensure they are communicated clearly and enforced consistently. Until we achieve this, the best line of defense is to know the policy of the airline on which you'll be traveling. To facilitate this process, we have included links to individual airline policies on our website. Also, please take a minute to read Travel Tips for Airlines http://www.afm.org/member/traveltips.htm . This document contains helpful suggestions and is updated periodically. Links to individual airline policies: http://www.afm.org/public/departments/airline_links.php For more information, please contact: Hal Ponder - Legislative Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] (202) 463-0772 Fax: (202) 466-9009 Eric Beers - Symphonic Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 869-1330 xt. 211 Fax: (212) 764-6134 Brent A. Shires Horn Instructor, University of Central Arkansas Studio Phone: 501-450-5768 Cell Phone: 501-472-3350 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.arkansashorn.org ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn case on ailines
In a message dated 12/17/2004 12:51:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A couple years ago, the musician's union (in the U.S.) negotiated an arrangement with the Dept. of Transportation to allow instruments to be brought on board. The actual ruling allows you to carry on an instrument, and it will not count as one of your carry on items. Just remember, that this ruling by the FAA in association with the AFM applies only to instruments that already meet the carry on guidelines. You can't carry on a tuba or a string bass and expect them to stow it up front next to the peanuts and behind the coffee maker. Fixed bell horn cases will never meet these guidelines, nor will many cut bell cases. But, even though it doesn't meet the guidelines, it's not off by much in most situations. Getting a horn case on board, no matter what the design, can sometimes be a breeze, and sometimes be a pain. Be persistent and insistent, but polite, and the crew will almost always accomodate your request to carry on and stow your horn. Let them know what it is and how valuable it is (and don't be afraid to exaggerate its value - they don't know). Don't forget that these crew sometimes deal with real jerks who insist that they carry on half the gift shop from Disney World in the fifteen steamer trunks they just bought at Walmart - just so they won't have to wait at the baggage claim area. A little bit of consideration toward the crew can go a long way. (I know it's a little bit big, but it's my livelihood and extremely valuable. I need it tomorrow for a concert. Could you please help me stow it conveniently here in the cabin? It has always fit before.) Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Storage
I just keep it all in a big, neat stack. My organizing principle, other than The Law Of Gravity, is LIFO (more or less). When I need a particular item, I just pick up parts of the stack flip through. Usually I find what I'm looking for -- but not always. (Next week I've got to get organized.) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. New but related topic - how do people file music - by composer? title? purpose (solo, etude books, chamber music, etc.)? LIFO (Last In First Out)? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Top 4 Orchestras in the world
Actually, if you read the original message, he said incredible intonation. He did not say good intonation! Incredulously, Richard in Seattle Am 17. Dezember Chris Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: IT's funny that you mention intonation about Vienna because that is generally not their strong point:) Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the top 5 orchestras in the world in your honest opinion and why?... My favorites are as follows: 1. Vienna Philharmonic- Incredible intonation, deep and dark sound, unique from other orchestra's sound wise and stylistically. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Top 4 Orchestras in the world
I am absolutely NOT going to contribute names, not because I don't have favorites, but since this is way, way, subjective. What I do want to add to the discussion are the red herrings of live in person vs. on CD (LP, 87, wax cylinder, etc.). I could also add the variables of at home vs. on tour (maybe add beginning of tour vs. end of tour), with the resident MD vs. under a guest conductor or standard tunes vs. new repertoire. I guess what I am trying to say, I have heard all of the orchestras mentioned so far (I was an usher at Carnegie Hall for several years, still have subscription tickets there, have a friend in the chorus at the Met who comes through with comps, have a sizeable collection of recordings to name some of my credentials in this area) and I have heard all of them sound superlative on occasion and not so hot on others. As much as the idea of absolute measurement and ranking may have its appeals, there is no sense whatever in thinking this way. I am glad to say that I have memories of more than a dozen orchestral concerts that ALL rank as without question the best I ever heard and this is exactly as it should be. I also have to note that I live in a city with two pre-eminent orchestral concert halls, one of which has over a century of universal praise for its acoustics and another that has endured 42 years of scorn from critics and musicians in this same department (you all know which venues I'm talking about). I'm sure that there are more or less an equal number of world class orchestras booked for both of these halls, but only one of them has been the site of all the concerts that I left feeling that I had heard what an orchestra is supposed to be all about. You can draw your own conclusions and discuss amongst yourselves. To further wander off topic, I can add to this the fact that I have now been around long enough to have heard the same orchestra(s) over a span of up to 40 years. When you want to know what I think of the NY Phil, do you mean Maazel and Myers, Boulez and Cerminaro or Bernstein and Chambers, when you want my opinion of Cleveland, I'm still hearing Bloom under Szell in my head, though it would be pretty hard to do a toe-to-toe comparison with it's current incarnation. So now I've told you pretty much all I think without really telling you what I think, re: the subject, at all. Have a nice weekend, Peter Hirsch ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns on airlines
I've experienced similar situations in which every time I've flown with a horn it's been different. The most recent time I flew was the easiest. I had a plan in mind before I got on after my trip to my location was not horn condusive. I boarded the small propeller plane last in case I would need to place my horn in a locker. I explained to the flight attendant that I was previously unaware that I would be flying on a smaller plane, and that my horn case, while it fits larger planes, is unlikely to fit on the smaller planes. I said if there were any empty seats, I could belted it down in on, or store it on the floor beneath. I then said that I am unable to check it under the plane because of it's fragile and expensive nature and I asked if there was a uniform locker that I could place it in until the flight was over. Maybe she was having a good day or was just a nice person in general, but she had no problem with me putting my horn in the locker and all was good. Chris --- Brent Shires [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Season's Bleatings to you all. I thought you might find this information useful since the ugly topic of traveling by air with horns has lifted off once again. I have had wonderful, and other times merciless, treatment from the airlines with my instrument. There seems to be no rhyme or reason why the individual airlines choose to allow a horn onboard one day and not the next. There are, of course, some obvious reasons, including how full the flight is, the size of the cabin and its storage space, and how rude the customer has been to the gate attendants. But there is still no consistency within an airline, let alone the same daily flight. In the past, when I used a hard case, I could often simply request to pre-board with my horn and find a space, and that worked really well (the closets up front are great). Other times I've been told to board with everyone else, and still other times they've insisted that the hard-case horn be packed down below with the snarling dogs. Since I bought my Thompson Edition case, I've rarely had trouble getting it cabinside. Travelling to Spain with my horn studio this summer demonstrated these difficulties. Our travel agent had made arrangements early on with Delta to take good care of the 14 horns going with us, by handling them as fragile if they could not go above board. Some hard cases got on, some were required to go below. While sitting on the tarmac waiting, we watched in abject horror as cargo workers hurled the horns onto the belt. this AFTER I had spoken with the check-in people about the necessity of handling them as fragile. I will probably not fly Delta again, at least not on my own tab. This information is taken from the website of the American Federation of Musicians (www.afm.org): ***Musical Instruments As Carry-On Luggage Since 9-11 and the resulting heightened airport security, musicians have had difficulties carrying their instruments to out of town gigs. To remedy this, AFM worked with Congress to insure that the 2001 Airport Security Act contained language encouraging security personnel to accommodate musicians and their instruments. When it was found that, in spite of this language, musicians were still having problems at the airports, the AFM persuaded the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to issue a directive to its personnel requiring them to accommodate musicians. The resulting TSA letter has practically eliminated problems with government screeners, but musicians are still having difficulties with the airlines, who are not covered by the TSA directive. To remedy this, the AFM is negotiating with the airlines through their trade association, the Air Transport association (ATA), to make it easier for musicians to travel with their instruments. Both letters can be downloaded by members only below. 1st TSA letter 2nd TSA letter Our members still have problems, however, with some of the airlines. The AFM continues to work with individual airlines to clarify their respective policies and ensure they are communicated clearly and enforced consistently. Until we achieve this, the best line of defense is to know the policy of the airline on which you'll be traveling. To facilitate this process, we have included links to individual airline policies on our website. Also, please take a minute to read Travel Tips for Airlines http://www.afm.org/member/traveltips.htm . This document contains helpful suggestions and is updated periodically. Links to individual airline policies: http://www.afm.org/public/departments/airline_links.php For more information, please contact: Hal Ponder - Legislative Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] (202) 463-0772 Fax: (202) 466-9009 Eric Beers - Symphonic Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 869-1330 xt. 211 Fax: (212) 764-6134 Brent A. Shires Horn Instructor, University of Central Arkansas Studio Phone:
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Top 4 Orchestras in the world
To clear up some confusion, I wasn't ranking my list in any way, I was just listing a few of my favorite orchestras and happened to put numbers by them.With the title of this topic, I understand why you'd think I was ranking them, I should have worded the title, What are your 5 favorite orchestras and why. I know that people's opinions won't be an exact science and no answer will be correct for the true top orchestras, but I wasn't asking for which orchestras were REALLY the BEST in the world, I was just asking for OPINIONS. Hopefully this is cleared up Jason ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns on airlines
For what it's worth, I have found that my horn case just fits in the
overhead compartments of an Airbus 320, but not a 747 by a fraction of an
inch.
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[Hornlist] Re: Phil at the Phil
On Dec 17, 2004, at 1:00 PM, Jeff Broumas wrote: It was a fantastic treat for me. I hope everyone, when visiting New York, will be able to make the trek to the Center and get their fill of Phil. You mean: Get their fill of Phil at the PHIL Sorry -- couldn't resist. LOL Cameron Kopf ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tubbiness
Was it Mr. Reiner who didn't like the large bell sound and referred it as tubbiness? So, this is a derogatory term of a sound characteristic due to the large throat design. This issue could be put on a more objective basis. Sing any pitch, first with an ee sound, then drop your tongue to produce the same pitch with an ah sound. You just went from a small throat to a large throat sound. How can the same pitch sound so different? The difference can be due to both the shape of the wave patterns of the funadamental tone and overtones as well as a change in the volume of each overtone. The ee sound is more focused, more responsive, and the ah sound is more resonant, less responsive. Certainly the ee sound will cut through the competition of other instruments, but the ah sound can provide a rounder, fuller, more powerful, if less focused, presence. I think the large throated belled Holtons have a very characteristic sound that can identify them as Holtons. We can appreciate the difference in the charateristic sound resulting from the bell throat size. You can often listen to a horn recording and think the player is using a small, medium, or large throated belled horn. We can enjoy the sound of each size. Hornists with large belled horns can strive for clarity and responsiveness to overcome the undesirable characteristics of their horn design. __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Top 4 Orchestras in the world, type your list and opinions...
Chris Tedesco wrote: IT's funny that you mention intonation about Vienna because that is generally not their strong point:) I personally would prefer the is to be replaced with was. I have many older recordings where there there is some suspect intonation in wind and brass (along with other orchestras!), but I don't think anybody could reasonably accuse the VPO of poor intonation these days! Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: horns on airlines
David G wrote For what it's worth, I have found that my horn case just fits in the overhead compartments of an Airbus 320, but not a 747 by a fraction of an inch. * I'm not surprised at all. Whoever told you that a 747 would fit in the overhead bin of an Airbus? And how did you get that thing through baggage screening? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: horns on airlines
I've taken several flights where my horn would definitely fit in the overhead compartments, yet I wasn't allowed to bring my horn on board. In one flight my case was thrown enough to crack it in 3 places, and these were BIG cracks. I had to buy a new case when I got home. It's sad considering I had HUGE red stickers that said fragile all over it. Dave On 17 déc. 04, at 20:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David G wrote For what it's worth, I have found that my horn case just fits in the overhead compartments of an Airbus 320, but not a 747 by a fraction of an inch. * I'm not surprised at all. Whoever told you that a 747 would fit in the overhead bin of an Airbus? And how did you get that thing through baggage screening? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: horns on airlines
At 08:39 PM 12/17/04 -0500, Patrick Morgan wrote: sad considering I had HUGE red stickers that said fragile all over it. Those are called targets. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: horns on airlines
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Whoever told you that a 747 would fit in the overhead bin of an Airbus?
And how did you get that thing through baggage screening?
I winged it.
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