[Hornlist] Dennis Brain DVD
Hello friends, May I point you again to the DVD, produced to the 50th anniversary of Dennis Brain´s tragic death. Ken Pope carries this DVD for the US market(it is in NTSC, so to run on all machines). It contains a foreword with documents about the accident on Sept.1st, 1957, some never published pictures of D.B. (not about the accident), a foreword spoken by Barry Tuckwell (family Brain, history, D.B.´s career, etc.), the Beethoven Sonata film (refurbished) and some bonus (Weber: Concertino op.45 w/orch. live recorded by the Thai TV in Bangkok; Beethoven Sonata on handhorn with explanations, live recorded by a professional crew during a lecture concert, Gliere: Intermezzo also recorded during the same lecture concert; Long Call Short Call - these two just as audio files, also live recorded from performances of the State Opera in Munich; a pdf file of the text spoken by Barry Tuckwell; the picture files in high quality, ready to be printed out by yourself). The spoken text by Barry Tuckwell is also in the booklet. Nobody should miss that, young or less young horn player, professional, student or amateur or just enthusiast. Greetings from Fashing Sunday (Carneval Sunday) in Munich with cloudless sunny sky, no snow, temperatures above freezing. Hans PS: direct orders from other countries than the USA are welcome via email (costs: EUR 15.- + registered mail EUR 2,05 + shipping without case EUR 4.-; payment via Paypal; inside the E.U.zone EUR 2.85 have to be added as VAT 19%, but shipping is just EUR 2.- without case or EUR 4.50 including the plastic DVD case). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead
In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] lead / lead
Yes, that´s exactly as we label it in the German speaking countries: Mundrohr. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:11 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] lead / lead
You must have a kinship for an American author of the mid 20th Century, H. Allen Smith He often wrote the definition of a gentleman was someone who could play the bagpipes, but didn't. Of course his opinions are subject to question because he also was an advocate of putting beans in chili. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:11 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR lead/lead/bag pipes
In a message dated 03/02/2008 13:16:32 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've heard jigs played on pipes where you just couldn't keep your feet still This may be so, but would you want one living next door to you? :-) Lawrence (in England who also has difficulty standing still near a bagpipe) lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead
Aw, c'mon. I've heard jigs played on pipes where you just couldn't keep your feet still, wanting to dance. The French horn is the most beautiful instrument, but it doesn't do that. Herb Foster - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 6:10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Kruspe, Conn, Schmidt and more
First off, I wish to sincerely thank Paul Navarro for joining this discussion. I've always been fascinated with the history and evolution of our instrument, the players, teachers and makers, and we are fortunate in this day and age to have a resource such as this list to discuss all aspects of it. My passion started in high school and my colleagues at the time, both in the Delaware Valley and at IAA shared the interest in all things horn that I had. Though the only resources we had were the Morley-Pegge book, the Gregory book, Birchard Coar's two theses and the Farkas book, the fires of passion were lit for life in many of us. It is remarkable the amount of information, not to mention performance (either as a listener or participant) and educational opportunities that are available now. I get a bit troubled at times today when I don't see the same interest, beyond what they are doing, in students. I hope that posts here can help kindle that interest in them and others who read them. The horn is a noble and beautiful instrument with a great history. I feel personally that it is a privilege to work in this business and I value the friendship and camaraderie that seems to run universal in our small, yet worldwide, community. It is up to us, as horn players and music lovers, to assure that its existence continues well into the future. I feel that is essential that we build upon the traditions of the past in order to guarantee that this happens. Yes, sometimes there is controversy, even acrimony, amongst us but I think that this is human nature and not really a bad thing as it shows evidence that passion is present! I think that we are all looking for the same truths and there is most certainly misinformation out there that could use correction. I believe that all are entitled to their opinions and I am always relieved when someone corrects me on a point of misinformation that I hold as true. That said, I'm going to work this week on lead(mouth)pipes. There is a point we can discuss, similar to the French sometimes associated with horn. What is the proper term for the first length of tubing? Inquiring minds want to know. I have a stock Kruspe lead(mouth)pipe that Walter ordered from them at some point. I will guess it's from the 60's and it's all finished and ready to be installed. I also have my old brass Kruspe, my main instrument through HS. Carl Geyer himself dated this horn as WWI vintage. Walter used cerrobase to fill leadpipes, then cut the pipe apart and measure the mold. I really don't want to do that to this pipe or my horn! I will try the plastics I've been experimenting with for bending and see if I can get a decent mold of those tapers for precise measurement. If Paul, or anyone else, has accurate measurements of Kruspe pipes, I'd like to see them. I understand the comment about gravy in the sound and I'm curious to pursue that aspect further. My bell research is on going at this point. I am working on a way to easily and quickly measure the thickness of a bell flare throughout the flare. I may or may not succeed at this but I think I can engineer a device to do it. Building it may be the real problem. Otherwise, it's just the old dial gauge, calipers and guesstimates. I may also invest in a Rockwell hardness tester. It only makes a small dent, but I'll sell those bells as seconds. (Just kidding!)Walter and I always shared the view that the sound of the horn was its most important attribute and I do think the bell flare is the most important piece of the system in that regard. Paul's description of what's involved in horn design and building is right on the mark. I took on this business because there were no acceptable offers for it forthcoming when they decided to retire and sell it. I also needed a job in retirement and I did not want to teach full time in a university. Walter said if no one wanted to continue, he was going to destroy all the spec sheets and mandrels and auction off the machines and equipment. I just could not let that happen! It's my goal to keep what they did going at this point and to make improvements wherever I can in both the design and manufacturing of the instrument. I also have to pay bills, make payroll and pay taxes, so I do need customers in order to survive. I'm not ashamed to promote what I do and I sincerely want to help people play their best on whatever equipment they have. Back to work! KB In a message dated 2/2/2008 1:01:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of the recent postings on the horn list. First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a narrow taper mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology. The generally accepted description by most makers
[Hornlist] A good lead
Now, we are having the mostest, greatestest of discussions on what terminology is bestestest for the first piece of metal tubing that you so carefully make the wrenchings of your mouthpiece into before you have commencements of playing, so, if I am making right these readings, some folks are having confusions as well as convulsions, perhaps, about the difference between a lead pipe and a leadpipe as well as throwing in other terms from far-away lands such as mouthpipe, mundrohr and leaderpipe, so, now, since I have many experiences, both good and bad, on the subject, I will make the explainings of such and clarifications will have followings, I'm sure, so, LEAD PIPE: a heavy cylindrical tube made from lead used for plumbing in antic days now considered obsolete and replaced by plastics and copper, and, LEADPIPE: the first length of tapered tubing on a horn usually (but not on all models) connecting the mouthpiece with the main tuning slide and also called the mundrohr, mouthpipe and leaderpipe and TTBOMK not made from lead, ever, but usually made from copper alloy or even sterling silver, and in my illustrious career I have the foundings made that it is the mostestest of handies and has the greatestest of conveniences for any horn player to own both of these and to continue, in fact, I have owned and made usings of many, for instance a LEAD PIPE is an essential accessory and once, my sixth valve stuck and I was unable to put the conductor to flight by using my second bell but fortunately, I grabbed my LEAD PIPE, made a quick jump from my chair and ran towards the podium waving it in the air and boy, you should have seen the look of terror on the #$%*'s face as he took off like a scared rabbit and I have also used a LEAD PIPE to get the woodwinds from hell to play in tune (well, almost) and I always carry it to my meeting with the manager when I ask for a raise and you should always take it with you on tour because it is also handy if you are walking in Central Park at 3:00 AM and you don't need a permit or a background check to carry a LEAD PIPE, even concealed, and you can ship it easily, without fear of damage, in your luggage under the plane, now, LEADPIPES are also very handy and I don't have the the knowings of any horn player who can play half-decently without one on their horn and sometimes you can change one and improve the instrument and sometimes not and my student, Kenny B., used a piece of one very effectively as a baton when conducting at the Rochester IHS workshop some years back and to make some conclusions here and now, I have the thinkings that all of the above mentioned names for that piece of plumbing on a horn should be abandoned in order to clear this up once and for alls so I am thinking we should call it the intake clamifold. Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Clarifyings, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (summer only) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? and The DaVinci Clam: Was Kopprasch Really God's Other Son? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Owner-Operator, Bad Corner Petroleum Laboratory, The Worlds Largest Valve Oil Factory Founder and Disseminator of CLAMSAA, the Universal Holiday for Horn Players Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Amborg, Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes, land line only, no cell
Re: [Hornlist] Another phenomenally dumb question...
From my own experience, I don't find that medium throat horns are any more notchy than wide throat horns. I use my right hand all the time for intonation purposes on both types of horns (I own one of each and do switch between them depending on circumstances). For me, adjusting intonation while playing in an ensemble is a combination of lipping and hand adjustment, depending on a lot of factors. My own preference is to do a minimum of lip adjustment, depending more on the hand, especially in those places where an instantaneous adjustment is needed to match with my colleagues or other instruments. My embouchure is such that when I'm locked into the sweet zone I really hate to mess with lipping up or down except in the most minor way. It's hard to analyze, though, since after so many years I do whatever is necessary to get into tune without thinking about it. The third component, and probably the most important, is your ear! Richard in Seattle PS. The first step, of course, is to make sure that your horn is as much in tune with itself as is possible and learn where the compromises are so you're prepared to adjust them in performance. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed that some players who play horns w/ medium bell throats, seem to use their right hand quite a bit more than I do for intonation adjustments. My Silver Flash (Holton 179)is easily lipped in tune w/o affecting tone, so I rarely use my hand to adjust pitch. So here are my Q's: (1) Is it a general characteristic of large bell throat horns to have wider notes and are thus easier to lip in tune? (2) Conversely, is it a general characteristic of medium bell throat horns to be more notchy so the hand must be used more? Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Another phenomenally dumb question...
Not knowing the answer, I'm going to change the subject a little and ask if your valves are tight. There's a lot more than the bell that comes into play regarding how pitches center on any given horn. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:54 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Another phenomenally dumb question... I've noticed that some players who play horns w/ medium bell throats, seem to use their right hand quite a bit more than I do for intonation adjustments. My Silver Flash (Holton 179)is easily lipped in tune w/o affecting tone, so I rarely use my hand to adjust pitch. So here are my Q's: (1) Is it a general characteristic of large bell throat horns to have wider notes and are thus easier to lip in tune? (2) Conversely, is it a general characteristic of medium bell throat horns to be more notchy so the hand must be used more? Valerie _ Save on Cell Phones. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifqvw36o7RgqNoxmepwZNviEuF Wo9wqHSbNj0qY4QmfOJUby/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Another phenomenally dumb question...
In a message dated 2/3/2008 12:27:29 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From my own experience, I don't find that medium throat horns are any more notchy than wide throat horns. Hi Richard, One component of notchy'ness is where the end of the mpc is relative to the venturi of the intake clamifold. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Schmidt history
Oops, I have to correct my story, I heard from a hornist who had known Geyer personally and said he used to talk about having worked at Schmidt, starting out by sweeping the floors. Thanks for the great stories Dave! On Kruspes, it seems to be commonly said that their intonation needs to be corrected. I can only speak for my own experience, but I have a very nice all original, never damaged one and the intonation is very good throughout the range, in fact better than other good horns I've played, very easy to play in tune. Now, all kinds of things can happen over 80 or 100 years, and maybe there were some good and bad ones when they were new. I have run across some that I thought were built on the flat side and trying to play those up to pitch is an unrewarding challenge. At any rate, I like the original leadpipe particularly because it does have that gravy in the sound. I've tried some others that still had some gravy, but lumpy intonation and some others that just plain killed the sound. Still haven't found anything that beats the original. I'm just an old fashioned kinda guy I guess. As Tom Waits said: it's new! it's improved! it's old fashioned!. - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead
Well, at least some brits call it a leaderpipe. I heard Merewether call it that a lot, but then wasn't he from Australia? I think he also used the term in his book. Paul Mansur, with a CORdial nod to all. On Feb 3, 2008, at 6:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Valve Corks
As I mentioned in a previous post, I have a 1970 Conn 8D. Instead of having corks, it has rubber/plastic cylinders where the corks go. However, these click when I finger the notes, and the valves are not aligned because of them. Since I am under 21, I cannot very well go out to the local liquor store and buy a bottle of wine or champagne for the cork. Where would I be able to get a cork for my horn? The local music shop does not carry them. Thank you very much! -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valve Corks
Tim Kecherson wrote: As I mentioned in a previous post, I have a 1970 Conn 8D. Instead of having corks, it has rubber/plastic cylinders where the corks go. However, these click when I finger the notes, and the valves are not aligned because of them. Since I am under 21, I cannot very well go out to the local liquor store and buy a bottle of wine or champagne for the cork. Where would I be able to get a cork for my horn? The local music shop does not carry them. Thank you very much! Hardware stores and bait shops come to mind. Some kitchen departments sell corks, as well, not to mention hobby shops. Know any adults who might save you a wine cork? Got any restaurants nearby that serve wine? It's not the fact that your horn has neoprene bumpers that's got it misaligned, however. It's that they're not properly trimmed. Do the valves go past alignment, or not quite as far as alignment? If the latter, you should be able to shave a little off the bumpers with a razor blade (single-edge type is safest) or a utility knife. If the valves are going past alignment, then you need to replace them, and *then* will probably need to trim them appropriately. I also suspect that the clicking isn't because of the bumpers, either, but more likely because of worn bearings or a loose stop arm screw. It's just that they happen to click at the exact time the stop arm hits the bumpers, which naturally enough gives the impressing that it's hitting those that causes the clicks. That 8D is almost certainly a nice enough instrument that it would be worth a little TLC from a competent technician. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valve Corks
Are your teachers not over 21? :-) lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn trumpet duets
One of my adult sons who likes to experiment composing little polyphonic vocal works, rounds, fugues, etc. dabbled in trumpet playing this past summer. For fun, I would play one part w/ him by transposing to Bb by using F horn fingerings on the Bb side of my horn (it's really easy once you get started). It seems simple matter to buy trumpet duets transpose one part for horn. You would surely have more music to choose from if you were searching through trumpet duet literature. Valerie _ Beauty Product Reviews Read unbiased beauty product reviews and join our product review team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/JKFkuJNzgGS5jTGaN5o9GQiFutmEJhk53g3U3n2H9zqoToIFPTIA5m/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: C.F. Schmidt History
Dick, Thanks for the linked info. Relative thereto, Geyer told me (in the late 50s) that he tried to get East German valves whenever he could. (Smuggled in I would assume--perhaps Hans or someone else would have a comment on this) When he couldn't get them he did have a source for what he considered very good American valves. Perhaps he got valves elsewhere, as well. Shel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Martz Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:01 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: C.F. Schmidt History Hi, Guys Here's what I have to offer about C.F. Schmidt: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/schmidt/cfschmidt.html My first horn was a Schmidt-like object with no label so I've aiways been fond of them. I had to trade it in for an 8-D when I moved to the Philadelphia area: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/schmidt/ Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geyer did work for Wunderlich and there was a definite connection with Schmidt, expecially for parts, in that shop. If Paul Navarro is on the list, I think he knows the history well as he apprenticed with Geyer as did others including Lowell Greer and Ron Pinc. KB In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:53:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Shel writes: It's always been my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, that Geyer worked for Schmidt and learned the business from him. The line is = Schmidt, Geyer, Leuchnik (sp?), Lewis (although Lewis' link with Geyer is also = direct and personal). **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 0002 5 48) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjmartz.lists%40att.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valve Corks
Go to the hardware store and buy an appropriate sized O ring that can be cut to the proper size. This material is flexible enough to install, yet not so hard that it clicks. It is impervious to petroleum products and will last forever. I just purchased a Yamaha Triple horn for my son that had the same problem. I changed to the O ring material and it works fine. The material I use is called buna N. If you have an industrial rubber supply store in your town, you can even by it in sheets. This material and a variety of other materials is available online from McMaster-Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com/ They cary just about every type of material you can imagine. They also have lots of information about the hardness of the different materials and their resistance to chemicals. Here is their explanation regarding hardness: Durometer is the international standard for measuring the hardness of rubber, plastic, and most nonmetallic materials. The hardness of a material is its resistance to surface penetration. Harder materials have more wear resistance, but they are also less flexible. Note that an object may fall within more than one scale. For example, a typical shoe heel is 95 Shore OO, 70 Shore A, and 22 Shore D durometer. They have a very cool chart that compares the numbers to common materials. Good luck, Luke Zyla 2nd horn, WV Symphony Orchestra www.wvsymphony.org - Original Message - From: Tim Kecherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hornlist horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Valve Corks As I mentioned in a previous post, I have a 1970 Conn 8D. Instead of having corks, it has rubber/plastic cylinders where the corks go. However, these click when I finger the notes, and the valves are not aligned because of them. Since I am under 21, I cannot very well go out to the local liquor store and buy a bottle of wine or champagne for the cork. Where would I be able to get a cork for my horn? The local music shop does not carry them. Thank you very much! -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Valve Corks
I've bought this material from Osmun's, ready to cut to the right height and punt in the proper place. There are other sources, but I know that Osmun's can tell you what would be right for your horn. They are very helpful. One of my student's father received instructions on how to convert her 8D to a string linkage from a mechanical linkage. He had absolutely no trouble. Now, he is an engineer, but knows little about musical instruments, be he said the instructions were extremely easy to follow. Try them - they will help if they can. No, I do not work for Osmun's or receive a discount. They, like Pope, Brassarts, and Stuart DeHaro, among many others, are just helpful and fantastic to deal with. In fact, I cannot think of any horn dealer that I have ever dealt with, who does not go out of his/her way to help the customer. If you have a trustworthy local dealer, try them. They may have either cork rolls or the Buna in stock, and might be willing to sell you a little to see what works best on your horn. Ellen Manthe On 2/3/08 5:09 PM, Luke Zyla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to the hardware store and buy an appropriate sized O ring that can be cut to the proper size. This material is flexible enough to install, yet not so hard that it clicks. It is impervious to petroleum products and will last forever. I just purchased a Yamaha Triple horn for my son that had the same problem. I changed to the O ring material and it works fine. The material I use is called buna N. If you have an industrial rubber supply store in your town, you can even by it in sheets. This material and a variety of other materials is available online from McMaster-Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com/ They cary just about every type of material you can imagine. They also have lots of information about the hardness of the different materials and their resistance to chemicals. Here is their explanation regarding hardness: Durometer is the international standard for measuring the hardness of rubber, plastic, and most nonmetallic materials. The hardness of a material is its resistance to surface penetration. Harder materials have more wear resistance, but they are also less flexible. Note that an object may fall within more than one scale. For example, a typical shoe heel is 95 Shore OO, 70 Shore A, and 22 Shore D durometer. They have a very cool chart that compares the numbers to common materials. Good luck, Luke Zyla 2nd horn, WV Symphony Orchestra www.wvsymphony.org - Original Message - From: Tim Kecherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hornlist horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Valve Corks As I mentioned in a previous post, I have a 1970 Conn 8D. Instead of having corks, it has rubber/plastic cylinders where the corks go. However, these click when I finger the notes, and the valves are not aligned because of them. Since I am under 21, I cannot very well go out to the local liquor store and buy a bottle of wine or champagne for the cork. Where would I be able to get a cork for my horn? The local music shop does not carry them. Thank you very much! -- Tim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ellenmanthe%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR What happened here?
Can any of you computer-savvy people tell me what happened to the post (from Horn Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5) below? Why is there only one word per line? It happened to someone on another list yesterday, but we were unable to identify a cause or remedy. Thanks Simon message: 17 date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 05:10:37 -0800 (PST) from: Herbert Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead Aw, c'mon. I've heard jigs played on pipes where you just couldn't keep your feet still, wanting to dance. The French horn is the most beautiful instrument, but it doesn't do that. Herb Foster - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 6:10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re Right handed horn player
As I told you guys the other day, I met a young lady (age 16) who wants = to play horn, but has been playing trumpet because her left hand is defi= cient of normal digits. She's very bright, plays trumpet piano quite = well, comes from a musical family (dad's a music educator, piano), etc. = The girl her father are considering taking the plunge buying a right= hand horn. What the father wants to know is this: How much will being a= right handed horn player interfere w/ her ability to be accepted into m= usic schools, orchestras, etc. If any of you want to take a stab at this= , offer discussion opinions, I will forward the information to the fam= ily. And I'm sure they will be grateful. Thanks, Valerie = Valerie, I have reversed 2 single F horns to date. The operation could be done on single Bb horns also. I dissasemble the instrument and rebuild it the other way, the result is a mirror image instrument. About the only requirement for a donor is that the #1 and #3 valves have the same length of outer valve slides. LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] NHR What happened here?
You've done something to antagonize Bill Gates? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:21 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] NHR What happened here? Can any of you computer-savvy people tell me what happened to the post (from Horn Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5) below? Why is there only one word per line? It happened to someone on another list yesterday, but we were unable to identify a cause or remedy. Thanks Simon message: 17 date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 05:10:37 -0800 (PST) from: Herbert Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead Aw, c'mon. I've heard jigs played on pipes where you just couldn't keep your feet still, wanting to dance. The French horn is the most beautiful instrument, but it doesn't do that. Herb Foster - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 6:10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Valve Corks
Hello Tim, before you do anything, visit my website www.pizka.de/Corks.html and see how to replace them. I had used neoprene before, but they tend to swell if in contact with certain oils. So I changed back to the use of corks. Self cut corks are not any solution as it is hard to get them down to the right dimension, where 1/2 of a milimeter can influence playing. Send me your postal address I shall send you two cork sticks, enough to change the corks twice - if you do it carefully. Do not forget wrapping the cork sticks into a thin towel, carefully hammering them to oval size, so you can insert them vertically in their sockets on the horn then cut short. If the alignment (see the inner marks after descrewing the valve cap) is not at 100%, press the cork just a bit sidewards in with a metal instrument or a wooden instrument. That works. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
