Re: [Hornlist] New Horn
I got my Hoyer from Scott in December. I love it. I was just at Scott's Monday and he has several Hoyers in stock as well as some other great horns. He is fantastic to work with. Tina On Apr 17, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: Joel - I've been raving on the list here quite a bit about my recent purchase. After trying virtually every major brand and type available in the US, I purchased a Dieter Otto 180K (Yellow Brass, Unlacquered). It's a wonderful horn - very free blowing with just the right resistance when you push it louder. (Some "free blowing horns" just won't get loud and as you start to get tired, they offer no real assistance in that matter). As I've mentioned a few times though, it does have a German taper mouthpipe stock from the factory. If you don't use a German shanked mouthpiece, you'll either need to get yours modified, get a new mouthpiece with the proper shank or get a new leadpipe. As absurd as that last option sounds, it's actually not a bad plan. Not that Otto's leadpipes aren't good - they're fine - great even. However, given the price of the horn (I got mine "fully loaded" with an extra hand-hammered bell and it set me back around $7600), adding a leadpipe that's designed to suit you isn't such a bad idea - especially if you have a hard time finding a mouthpiece with a german shank that works well for you. I got mine from Scott Bacon at Siegfried's Call in New York. I believe that's the only place you can get them in the states (I'm not sure where you live). He had several other great but less common horns there as well. The Cornford C28 and the Durk D3 stick out as being great instruments as well. For what it's worth, I blend just fine with 8Ds, Paxmans, Lewis's and many other types. The sound I get on this horn is exactly what I would have hoped for after years of searching. Full, deep and supported in all registers with a slight zing when I push it. Best wishes - Jeremy Joel Gilbert wrote: I currently play a Paxman 23L, but am looking for a new horn. I have found the resistance to be a bit much, especially in the high register. Does anyone have some suggestions for horns to look at that are more free blowing (between Engelbert Schmid and a medium resistance horn) and are kind of standard horns which are easy to blend with an orchestra? Thanks, Joel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn
Joel, If you do find that your mechanics are fine, you might be just as well-served to add a different leadpipe to your horn. A lot can change in that small section of tubing. There are many fine shops that do custom leadpipe work, and it can almost make it feel like you're getting a new horn at a fraction of the cost. My two cents, Trey > From: em...@magma.ca > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New Horn > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:28:49 -0400 > > Hi Joel, > > There are so many different manufacturers out there, it's very > difficult, if not impossible, to recommend one particular horn over > another without actually trying them. Having said this, Paxman does > make a fine instrument. > > If you are not doing so already, it may be worth your while to take a > few lessons with a competent professional to see if all your > "mechanics" are working correctly; it may not be the horn at all. > > Also, I suggest that if possible, before laying out many hundreds (if > not thousands) of $$$, try a few models of other horns of different > manufacturers, then decide. You might surprise yourself. > > > Good luck with your search! > > Sincerely, > martin bender > > > > On 17-Apr-09, at 2:57 PM, Joel Gilbert wrote: > > > I currently play a Paxman 23L, but am looking for a new horn. I > > have found > > the resistance to be a bit much, especially in the high register. > > Does > > anyone have some suggestions for horns to look at that are more free > > blowing > > (between Engelbert Schmid and a medium resistance horn) and are kind > > of > > standard horns which are easy to blend with an orchestra? > > Thanks, > > > > Joel > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treyjohnson37%40hotmail.com _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn
Hi Joel, There are so many different manufacturers out there, it's very difficult, if not impossible, to recommend one particular horn over another without actually trying them. Having said this, Paxman does make a fine instrument. If you are not doing so already, it may be worth your while to take a few lessons with a competent professional to see if all your "mechanics" are working correctly; it may not be the horn at all. Also, I suggest that if possible, before laying out many hundreds (if not thousands) of $$$, try a few models of other horns of different manufacturers, then decide. You might surprise yourself. Good luck with your search! Sincerely, martin bender On 17-Apr-09, at 2:57 PM, Joel Gilbert wrote: I currently play a Paxman 23L, but am looking for a new horn. I have found the resistance to be a bit much, especially in the high register. Does anyone have some suggestions for horns to look at that are more free blowing (between Engelbert Schmid and a medium resistance horn) and are kind of standard horns which are easy to blend with an orchestra? Thanks, Joel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn
Joel - I've been raving on the list here quite a bit about my recent purchase. After trying virtually every major brand and type available in the US, I purchased a Dieter Otto 180K (Yellow Brass, Unlacquered). It's a wonderful horn - very free blowing with just the right resistance when you push it louder. (Some "free blowing horns" just won't get loud and as you start to get tired, they offer no real assistance in that matter). As I've mentioned a few times though, it does have a German taper mouthpipe stock from the factory. If you don't use a German shanked mouthpiece, you'll either need to get yours modified, get a new mouthpiece with the proper shank or get a new leadpipe. As absurd as that last option sounds, it's actually not a bad plan. Not that Otto's leadpipes aren't good - they're fine - great even. However, given the price of the horn (I got mine "fully loaded" with an extra hand-hammered bell and it set me back around $7600), adding a leadpipe that's designed to suit you isn't such a bad idea - especially if you have a hard time finding a mouthpiece with a german shank that works well for you. I got mine from Scott Bacon at Siegfried's Call in New York. I believe that's the only place you can get them in the states (I'm not sure where you live). He had several other great but less common horns there as well. The Cornford C28 and the Durk D3 stick out as being great instruments as well. For what it's worth, I blend just fine with 8Ds, Paxmans, Lewis's and many other types. The sound I get on this horn is exactly what I would have hoped for after years of searching. Full, deep and supported in all registers with a slight zing when I push it. Best wishes - Jeremy Joel Gilbert wrote: I currently play a Paxman 23L, but am looking for a new horn. I have found the resistance to be a bit much, especially in the high register. Does anyone have some suggestions for horns to look at that are more free blowing (between Engelbert Schmid and a medium resistance horn) and are kind of standard horns which are easy to blend with an orchestra? Thanks, Joel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Design/Concept
Yeah, kind of like that $400 driver. Helps Tiger but I still slice. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:30 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Design/Concept Sorry, this has been done before. Ask Engelbert Schmid. His valves are designed that way. Does it help the weak player ? No ! Definitely no ! Does it help the top players ? Perhaps, do get still an improvement. But those struggling with the single notes may never feel the improvement, but they will buy it as some kind of "placebo". Nevertheless, it is great that some players & designers do research to improve our instrument. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Wester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:25 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Design/Concept I have been playing around with a horn design based on a valve that I thought up. The primary goal of this design is to have an constant bore size through out the entire horn. Never having a crimp or pinch anywhere throughout the horn. Current horn designs rotary valve clusters are a massive row of crimped passages. So I set out to design a valve that would maintain a bore size when straight through and when diverting its air through the valve slide. I used 3D modeling software to mock up the horn. I haven't modeled it exactly correct, due to my limitations with the software. So the tubing lengths for the F and Bb side are guesstimates. And I haven't included a thumb lever. But the main gist of the design is there. I would be interested to hear your comments. I realize that this design could result in a heavy horn. I am planning on experimenting with alloys to decrease the weight of the valves. I also haven't modeled the valves exactly as they would be ( again due to lack of modeling ability ), I have a few different ideas of how to construct the valves. Pics of the design are in the Photo section of the Yahoo group. http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_153230/fce0/__sr_/f044.jpg?g rA.hzGBhuEjY13g http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_153230/fce0/__sr_/6ee7.jpg?g rA.hzGBSTSJkH5q http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_153230/fce0/__sr_/6751.jpg?g rA.hzGBa_rZiQCa Thanks, James Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Design/Concept
Sorry, this has been done before. Ask Engelbert Schmid. His valves are designed that way. Does it help the weak player ? No ! Definitely no ! Does it help the top players ? Perhaps, do get still an improvement. But those struggling with the single notes may never feel the improvement, but they will buy it as some kind of "placebo". Nevertheless, it is great that some players & designers do research to improve our instrument. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Wester Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:25 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Design/Concept I have been playing around with a horn design based on a valve that I thought up. The primary goal of this design is to have an constant bore size through out the entire horn. Never having a crimp or pinch anywhere throughout the horn. Current horn designs rotary valve clusters are a massive row of crimped passages. So I set out to design a valve that would maintain a bore size when straight through and when diverting its air through the valve slide. I used 3D modeling software to mock up the horn. I haven't modeled it exactly correct, due to my limitations with the software. So the tubing lengths for the F and Bb side are guesstimates. And I haven't included a thumb lever. But the main gist of the design is there. I would be interested to hear your comments. I realize that this design could result in a heavy horn. I am planning on experimenting with alloys to decrease the weight of the valves. I also haven't modeled the valves exactly as they would be ( again due to lack of modeling ability ), I have a few different ideas of how to construct the valves. Pics of the design are in the Photo section of the Yahoo group. http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_153230/fce0/__sr_/f044.jpg?g rA.hzGBhuEjY13g http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_153230/fce0/__sr_/6ee7.jpg?g rA.hzGBSTSJkH5q http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_153230/fce0/__sr_/6751.jpg?g rA.hzGBa_rZiQCa Thanks, James Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
Many years ago, I got a new horn by Walter Mönnig, large bell, extremely free and open. I was used to a rather stuffy medium bore horn. It took me more than a year to get used to the new horn, partly because I was involved with a teacher who was not helpful. With many years of experience (and constantly testing horns I am working on), I can now adapt to pretty much any horn in a matter of a few days, BUT not to the point of being able to play my best. I find that if horns have a significant difference in feel, I get best results by using different mouthpiece cups. Often, the choice is not obvious. But I have 30+ years accumulation of samples to try. If you are going to a much lighter and faster horn, try a mouthpiece with a smaller throat to add resistance and perhaps shallower with a bit more bowl shape to add fullness to the sound. As to your audition tape and the auditions themselves, you have a problem. In you place, I would probably play the new horn only at the beginning of practice sessions, ALWAYS finishing up the old horn, and preferably doing the bulk of the work on it. Close to the taping and/or auditions, I would avoid playing anything but the horn you will use. Habits are extremely important in a stress situation, and you need consistency more than you need the new horn. Richard Hirsh ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
In a message dated 2/2/2007 4:48:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What options are there out there for instrument insurance? I don't think it would be covered under homeowners, as I live in a dormatory. Should I get a seperate plan just for the Horn? Will plans cover accidental damage (like someone knocking it off a chair) or just theft? What about if the building burns down and the horn is lost? Or damaged on an airline ? -- Dave, I would not discount the homeowner's policy option out of hand. You might be able to be covered under your parents' policy, which could be a whole lot cheaper than getting a new policy. Check it out. Most homeowner's policies do not cover incidental damage - just theft and total loss under certain circumstances. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
Hello, yes the Schmid speaks very easily, too easily, nearly without any resistance. But how about playing piano or pianissimo, when you need a certain resistance. But they are beautiful horns - to look at - but also when played by the right player.## If you are afraid, the horn might be damaged (this even happen with the best care - I got just a little ding of 5 mms, because a coin fell from the stage, but hit the instrument on a place where the ding cannot be seen - I use this instrument since ten years for most of my services in the opera, but it looks like new. Well, I never leave it in the pits as do my colleagues. I put it in my shrank during the breakes & when I walk, I hold it infront of me, bell pointing to my left shoulder, wrapping the horn with my left arm as to protect it.) Get the horn stolen ? It is up to you, never leaving the horn unattended at no time. Lock it in, when you have other things to do. If you drive, put it in the trunk except you drive home directly with no stop at nowhere. If intruder get it from your home, your home insurance (hope you have one) will cover it. Best, ask your agent, if you have to declare it before. Airtravel damage ??? Insist to get it on board as handluggage (important & most fragile musical instrument you need for next days performance etc. blah-blah). Fire in the school ? Leave all there except the horn, no matter what the orders are. Savings ? Put 50.- $ aside every month, to cover necessary repairs of accidents (hopefully never happen). This is cheaper than insurance. Precaution is also cheaper than repair. A bit of discipline helps. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:38 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions Hello All- I write with extreme excitement as my brand new, yellow brass double Engelbert Schmid arrived this morning. (I bought a medium yellow brass and a "large"(still significantly smaller than the 8D) rose-brass bell flare, both hand-hammered with garland. What a beauty! Such an improvement over my old and junky Texas 8D. I have a few questions though. First, I play on a Lawson S670 XT (the XT is because I had him drill the cup a little deeper, making a little more cup volume -greatly improved the tone on my old 8D at least; by improve I mean darker and less splatty) My concern is that the mouthpiece shank sinks in very far (about an inch) into the mouthpiece receiver on the leadpipe. I have read from various sources that European horn makers use a different taper on the mouthpiece receiver than so American horn and mouthpiece makers. Is this a problem? It does fit snug with no wiggle room. Also, while still on MP's, have a lot of people out there who switched horns at some point found that they also needed to switch MP's to match the new horn too? I really like what the Lawson MP did for me on the Conn, but I assume since these are such radically different horns that that might not be true on the Schmid. Another question. How long will it take me to get used to this new instrument? I ask because I am right in the middle of recording an extensive audition tape and even have recording dates set up starting tomorrow. (I could cancel them and postpone quite easily though) Should I record the tape on the old horn or reschedule and play on the Schmid? If so how long to wait, I have until the end of Feb.? There are a lot of things the new horn does infinitely better which I could tell immediately. But a lot of things are totally different, the biggest that I chip (overshoot) a lot of notes while slurring as the partials feel a lot closer. Well anyway, if anyone could offer some advice in these regards I'd greatly appreciate it. My god, the Schmid is just exquisite though. It feels like blowing a feather around where as the 8D is like playing soccer with a bowling ball. Thanks in advance, Dave Meichle A much broker student at Lawrence University now ps. If you have any questions about this horn I'd be happy to offer my experiences, especially as I get a change to play it a little more. Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.co m/news/front.htm?csp=24 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
Dave, Start calling insurance agents and see what you can get. Your mileage will vary by company. I've had various homeowners insurance policies through the years, and some have covered my horn, while others required a separate addendum to the policy. You'll just have to shop around. You should also check and see if you can still be covered by your parents' homeowner or renter policy. It's a bit daunting when you realize that your instrument is one of the most valuable items that you own! Good luck, Carlisle -now returning to lurker mode On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, another quick question. I would very much like to get this instrument insured. College Campus' are notorious for theft. My mother's hand-made Lauben Oboe was stolen when she was a student and she had to quit playing. (so there is motivation in my family here) What options are there out there for instrument insurance? I don't think it would be covered under homeowners, as I live in a dormatory. Should I get a seperate plan just for the Horn? Will plans cover accidental damage (like someone knocking it off a chair) or just theft? What about if the building burns down and the horn is lost? Or damaged on an airline ? What so these policies cost? Thanks again, I am sure this is something many of you will know about, Dave Meichle Lawrence University ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
Check with both the college and the home owner's or apartment policy from your permanent domicile. One, the other, or both may cover this, or one, the other, or both may let you add specific coverage (a "rider") to whatever coverage you currently have. Either way, be sure to take pictures of the horn and keep those plus the receipt in a safe deposit box somewhere. -S- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:47 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions > > Oh, another quick question. > > I would very much like to get this instrument insured. > College Campus' > are notorious for theft. My mother's hand-made Lauben Oboe > was stolen when she was a student and she had to quit > playing. (so there is motivation in my family here) > > What options are there out there for instrument insurance? I > don't think it would be covered under homeowners, as I live > in a dormatory. > Should I get a seperate plan just for the Horn? > Will plans cover accidental damage (like someone knocking it off a > chair) or just theft? What about if the building burns down > and the horn is lost? Or damaged on an airline ? > > What so these policies cost? > > Thanks again, I am sure this is something many of you will > know about, > > Dave Meichle > Lawrence University > > > __ > __ > Interested in getting caught up on today's news? > Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/ > news/front.htm?csp=24 > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
Oh, another quick question. I would very much like to get this instrument insured. College Campus' are notorious for theft. My mother's hand-made Lauben Oboe was stolen when she was a student and she had to quit playing. (so there is motivation in my family here) What options are there out there for instrument insurance? I don't think it would be covered under homeowners, as I live in a dormatory. Should I get a seperate plan just for the Horn? Will plans cover accidental damage (like someone knocking it off a chair) or just theft? What about if the building burns down and the horn is lost? Or damaged on an airline ? What so these policies cost? Thanks again, I am sure this is something many of you will know about, Dave Meichle Lawrence University Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Recommendations
If you have an 8D you like, you're certainly set for the band gig. What you need to do is find a horn more suited for pit work. As long as you have the 8D to cover symphonic works, you should look for light, agile horn, that can produce a full range of tonalities without becoming too loud to balance the pit. A single Bb, with an F attachment, is often used. A high quality compensating horn, like a Wendler Kruspe, will do quite well. There are many medium bell Geyer type horns around. Whatever you decide, don't hesitate to change the leadpipe to make the horn distinctly optimized to do what the 8D doesn't do well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 8:57 AM Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Recommendations Fellow listers, I am in the market for a new horn after playing a great 8D I bought from Alex Ozolins several years ago. I know that each horn is a little different, but what recommendations can you all make. I play in a 55 piece community band, and in pit orchestras for community theater or chorale groups. I've thought about some possibilities: Hans Hoyer 6802, Holton 188, or 189. Any other ideas? Jim McDermott Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn!!
Dont drop it ! Good luck ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Spillman Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:29 AM To: Yahoo horn list; Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn!! I have ordered a new horn (a Yamaha 667). It should be delivered later this week. What do I need to do to get it set up? All of the horns I've been involved with, including the one I have now, were already playable by the time I got my hands on them. I assume I'll have to tune it, oil the valves, and check the slides for grease, and check it's playability in the various registers. Is there anything else I should do? There was a special where I ordered the horn of including the Yamaha Silent Practice system at the same price. I found it appealing since from time to time I go places where I feel a little inhibited about practicing. That doesn't stop me, but I like the idea about not disturbing others while still getting my practice in. Does anyone have experience with this system? Any information will be appreciated... Thanks... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX (home) 512-267-4393 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn!!
Hi Tom, Congratulations! I played on a Yammy 667 for many years and loved it. Just be certain to oil the valves thoroughly before you actually play it for the first time and then oil it frequently as Yamaha valves are usually very very snug. Once when I went away on holidays for 3 weeks it took a lot of patient coaxing and lots of oil when I got back to get any of the valves to move at all. That was a lesson well learned, I can tell you! Happy playing :) Chris -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn!!
I have not personally had experience with Silent Brass, but my teacher, Roy Schaberg, has. Apparently, he seriously hurt himself once using it. I have no idea about the details, but the impression I received was that it creates an excessive amount of back pressure. It sounds like every horn player's best friend, but be careful. Nick --- Tom Spillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have ordered a new horn (a Yamaha 667). It should > be delivered later > this week. > > What do I need to do to get it set up? All of the > horns I've been > involved with, including the one I have now, were > already playable by > the time I got my hands on them. I assume I'll have > to tune it, oil the > valves, and check the slides for grease, and check > it's playability in > the various registers. Is there anything else I > should do? > > There was a special where I ordered the horn of > including the Yamaha > Silent Practice system at the same price. I found > it appealing since > from time to time I go places where I feel a little > inhibited about > practicing. That doesn't stop me, but I like the > idea about not > disturbing others while still getting my practice > in. Does anyone have > experience with this system? > > Any information will be appreciated... > > Thanks... > > Tom > > -- > > Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. > > Asst. Professor (retired) > Information Technology > MBA Program > School of Management > St. Edward's University > Austin, TX > > (home) 512-267-4393 > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/frenchorngeek%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance
Anybody know anything about the Conn 8D having this...erm... Factory dust of some sort? Jon From: Chris Tedesco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:50:30 -0800 (PST) Often I'll give my leadpipe a good squirt of valve juice and blow and wiggle to simply oil my valves! Works pretty well too. Chris --- Graeme Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think there would be much factory dirt in a Yamaha horn, but I would > strongly advise pouring a teaspoon or so of valve oil (eg. Al Cass) down the > mouthpipe, and blowing it vigourously through the horn while wriggling the > valve levers. This will spread it in a mist over the inside of the horn and > help to prevent corrosion. Follow this up with light machine oil on the top > and bottom bearings. > > This is something I do frequently to my horns, and I have managed to greatly > limit green copper carbonate deposit build up. > > One horn I have had from new has no corrosion whatsoever. > > Cheers, > > Graeme Evans > (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) > +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:54 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance > > > >Hello everyone, > >I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I > have > > to take it into the shop to get the so called "factory dust" cleaned out. > >Is it true that this dirt or whatever it is, is in the new horn > from > > constructing it? > >Can I just attach a little bath hose to the mouthpiece reciever of > the > > horn and flush it out with water? Would that suffice in clearing it out? > > > >Thanks, > >Mike > > ___ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au > > > > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/blackjackcajun%40hotmail.com _ Find gifts, buy online with MSN Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com.sg/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance
Often I'll give my leadpipe a good squirt of valve juice and blow and wiggle to simply oil my valves! Works pretty well too. Chris --- Graeme Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think there would be much factory dirt in a Yamaha horn, but I would > strongly advise pouring a teaspoon or so of valve oil (eg. Al Cass) down the > mouthpipe, and blowing it vigourously through the horn while wriggling the > valve levers. This will spread it in a mist over the inside of the horn and > help to prevent corrosion. Follow this up with light machine oil on the top > and bottom bearings. > > This is something I do frequently to my horns, and I have managed to greatly > limit green copper carbonate deposit build up. > > One horn I have had from new has no corrosion whatsoever. > > Cheers, > > Graeme Evans > (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) > +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:54 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance > > > >Hello everyone, > >I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I > have > > to take it into the shop to get the so called "factory dust" cleaned out. > >Is it true that this dirt or whatever it is, is in the new horn > from > > constructing it? > >Can I just attach a little bath hose to the mouthpiece reciever of > the > > horn and flush it out with water? Would that suffice in clearing it out? > > > >Thanks, > >Mike > > ___ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au > > > > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance
Graeme, your advice is absolutely to be supported. As far as myself, I have not done it to any of my horns & cannot find any corrosion on any of my horns, but this is absolutely individual & has much to do with the content of acid in your breath or in the moist produced. Also the ph value in your sweat is source of corrosion. I recently got an old horn used by a colleague who produced a lot of "cold" sweat. The nickel silver hand shield & the shield on the lead pipe are merely eaten away. Watering the horn most carefully after playing is essential for the life span of the horn. Avoiding acidic (gas !!!) refreshment drinks just before playing might help also to avoid corrosion. The main source for corrosion (besides wrong maintenance) might be the use of cheap metal & careless handling during the manufacturing process. But this should not happen with instruments above cheapest band level. Anyway, your advice is excellent & I will recommend it also. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:06 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance I don't think there would be much factory dirt in a Yamaha horn, but I would strongly advise pouring a teaspoon or so of valve oil (eg. Al Cass) down the mouthpipe, and blowing it vigourously through the horn while wriggling the valve levers. This will spread it in a mist over the inside of the horn and help to prevent corrosion. Follow this up with light machine oil on the top and bottom bearings. This is something I do frequently to my horns, and I have managed to greatly limit green copper carbonate deposit build up. One horn I have had from new has no corrosion whatsoever. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance >Hello everyone, >I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I have > to take it into the shop to get the so called "factory dust" cleaned out. >Is it true that this dirt or whatever it is, is in the new horn from > constructing it? >Can I just attach a little bath hose to the mouthpiece reciever of the > horn and flush it out with water? Would that suffice in clearing it out? > >Thanks, >Mike > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance
Who told you the nonsense about "factory dust" ?? As far as I know, all instruments are chemically cleaned, special if they are lacquered. But rinsing the instrument (NOT brushing) from backwards (filling water into the bell & turn the horn around until the water comes off the front hole) will not harm but have also the benefit of moisture the horn as it comes from the factory completely dry. Do not forget to add a very mild detergent (liquid dish cleaner) to the water; may-be after inserting the first three four cups of water. Clean the water off the horn carefully to avoid water drop marks. Have fun with your new horn. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance Hello everyone, I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I have to take it into the shop to get the so called "factory dust" cleaned out. Is it true that this dirt or whatever it is, is in the new horn from constructing it? Can I just attach a little bath hose to the mouthpiece reciever of the horn and flush it out with water? Would that suffice in clearing it out? Thanks, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance
I don't think there would be much factory dirt in a Yamaha horn, but I would strongly advise pouring a teaspoon or so of valve oil (eg. Al Cass) down the mouthpipe, and blowing it vigourously through the horn while wriggling the valve levers. This will spread it in a mist over the inside of the horn and help to prevent corrosion. Follow this up with light machine oil on the top and bottom bearings. This is something I do frequently to my horns, and I have managed to greatly limit green copper carbonate deposit build up. One horn I have had from new has no corrosion whatsoever. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn Maintenance >Hello everyone, >I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I have > to take it into the shop to get the so called "factory dust" cleaned out. >Is it true that this dirt or whatever it is, is in the new horn from > constructing it? >Can I just attach a little bath hose to the mouthpiece reciever of the > horn and flush it out with water? Would that suffice in clearing it out? > >Thanks, >Mike > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
