Re: [HOT] round houses / huts + (Nepal HOT mapping)
Was just reading that :) I'll go back over areas i've done - but i think we're missing a lot of these from other squares i've looked over. Whoever is managing hotosm comms, might be worth tweeting/reminding all mappers: don't forget to map all round structures, even in middle of remote fields/hillsides, with building=yes. (Even if it might turn out to be a haystack.) And maybe add a link to the really helpful page below to the Instructions section of tasks.hotosm.org, just after the link to tutorial? Wish i'd read it a couple of days ago. Thanks. On 30 Apr 2015, at 2:54 PM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Please see http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id and it's following section about buildings and huts. Nick ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
So Nick, when we finish a square/tile/project and someone looks to validate it, we get feedback? We are told what we did right and what we did wrong? Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:57 AM, Nick Allen wrote: Henri all, especially any 'new mappers' We need two things which sometimes are in conflict with each other. 1. We're all part of a team, and we need to help each other without causing offence. We all make mistakes, and it's nice to have someone help us when we do - so validators, please consider putting links to help pages when you are 'validating' - I've listed LearnOSM because I know where they are, but there are other excellent resources such as MapGive, tracing guides, quick start guides. LearnOSM has largely been translated into numerous languages so you may consider sending the link in a different language - select the feature in your editor, then press 'Ctrl+h' to see the history of the editing, which will tell you who did it, rather than who updated Task Manager which is often different. Always make sure the guide you are referring to has the same instructions as the particular task/project, because they do vary. Mapping at the edge of a square http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---josm or http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---id The highway network more info about highways http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map Residential boundary http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#residential-boundaries Buildings, including round huts http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers 2. The quality control for the particular project / task. In you're particular case, I would finish my square then log into that adjacent square correct the mistakes - but only if I am certain I am correct, because otherwise it's very embarrassing! Henri - you're starting to think like a validator - please see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data which was based upon work by Severin. If you are not ready to validate yet, then you've made a good start because you've started to realise what's needed. I'm pleased to say I'm still learning - I spend part of my time learning part helping with the mapping. Its a big subject I just hope we don't lose everyone once this drops out of the news headlines. The Aid Organisations (NGO's) are dealing with IDP's (Internally Displaced Persons) all of the time and have a full time staff to do so - the need for adequate mapping will not stop with Nepal. Thanks I hope to see more of your work in the future. Regards Nick (Tallguy) tried to keep it brief, but didn't work! On 30/04/15 09:05, Henri Riihimäki wrote: Thanks Nick! In my case the features didn’t go only a little into the other tile, they went a lot (e.g. they were not ‘handed over’). The edge area instructions could be shortly mentioned with the task instructions (sort of Do’s and Dont’s ) so this kind of mistakes could be avoided. What would be the proper way to correct them? Should I do it as I spot the mistake or should I leave it to the person editing the other tile (note: I have no idea whether the other guy has noticed the mistake). I also find it problematic that I can’t see the features that exist outside of my square, is there a way to see them? (I’m using JOSM) Henri From: Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com] Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2015 10:46 To: Henri Riihimäki Cc: HOT@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly? Henri Using my phone so briefly - see here http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote: Hello, I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed it). E.g., 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile, how far should I digitize it? Only to the border of my task tile or as far as it goes? 2) if I find mistakes from the edge area that are within another tile or that goes beyond my own tile, what should I do? and in general 3) how are roads/tracks connected between the tiles? For example this morning I edited a tile which had a lot of features that were poor in quality. A lot of this data was in another tiles area (landuse = residential). I get it that editing another tiles area might create problems, but in the other hand leaving poor quality data isn’t any
Re: [HOT] Instructions for new folks
Thanks John. Pete posted a training guidance for new OSMers. This writing is great. If anyone can help taking off all the great training tips and add to the hackpad, we might collectively have more docs in just a short time https://hackpad.com/HOT-Nepal-Earthquake-Training-Support-3GupUkChA1n Heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:05 PM, john o'l ol.john...@gmail.com wrote: The last couple of days I've had my share of struggles getting going with HOT OSM platform, so I decided to share them with a couple of folks I work with... more struggling ensued. Eventually I got to where (I hope) my contribution is outweighing the fact that I locked up a square for a certain amount of time. This is my most recent go at instructions for colleagues - offering it here in case it helps anyone else (apologies if formatting gets screwy) -- Step by step instructions to get started in OpenStreetMap [adapted from https://datameet.hackpad.com/Nepal-Earthquake-Mapping-YDjLauUK0Ek, the HOT E-Mail List https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot, and instructions for Project #1018 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018] To contribute IMMEDIATELY to ongoing Humanitarian Mapping efforts for Nepal through Humanitarian OpenStreetMap.org, *please do the following 1st:* 1. 1. Go to the learnosm http://learnosm.org/en/ site and go through the first three items in the Beginner’s Guide. 2. 2. Sign up for an account on OpenStreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new (easy to do, learnosm http://learnosm.org/en/ shows you how if unsure) 3. If you have not mapped with OSM before [or tried and really sucked at it like me], please TAKE THE TIME to follow tutorials. Go through the 30 minute training on http://mapgive.state.gov to learn the basics of humanitarian mapping using OpenStreetMap.org 4. Being new to OpenStreetMap, *use the in-browser iD https://openstreetmap.org/edit* editor. 5. Review the learnosm http://learnosm.org/en/ site again (for instance, there is a button to change brightness of background in iD editor!) and check out the HOT Remote Mapping item in the Beginner’s Guide (best to do all this *before* you join in with the current tasks). *Then* go to the HOTOSM Task Manager at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ and select a job that you feel comfortable contributing to. 1. Read the directions carefully for the job 2. Select one of the squares next to one that is marked as complete -This will allow you to pan to the completed square so you can see how others are digitizing the features and mimic their work. 3. Click start mapping to lock the area 4. Don’t be too surprised if there are little glitches and difficulties as you get used to the platform, try to do what you can and unlock the square if you get stuck or called away for more than a few minutes. **It doesn't matter how long you work, or how many features you digitize. There are currently hundreds of people mapping on HOTOSM for the Nepal Earthquake. Every edit counts. ** Cheers! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
Henri Using my phone so briefly - see here http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote: Hello, I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed it). E.g., 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile, how far should I digitize it? Only to the border of my task tile or as far as it goes? 2) if I find mistakes from the edge area that are within another tile or that goes beyond my own tile, what should I do? and in general 3) how are roads/tracks connected between the tiles? For example this morning I edited a tile which had a lot of features that were poor in quality. A lot of this data was in another tiles area (landuse = residential). I get it that editing another tiles area might create problems, but in the other hand leaving poor quality data isn’t any good either. Link to task instructions: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1009 Best regards, Henri ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] round houses / huts + (Nepal HOT mapping)
Good insight about round buildings in Nepal. I saw a number of small round structures in #89 and remembered reading about towers built by Milarepa that are still standing, so I looked up the book reference, and it seems they are in that area, so I made them round and marked them as…houses. The towers are three, four stories tall. I've also seen round structures that look like corrals because of the shadows but are most likely houses. It something looks like a small building (and some people live in very tiny 25' rectangular buildings in Nepal, like my grandmother did proving up her homestead in Wyoming) I've marked it. If there are people out there praying for help, I hope I can see their little hut and place it on the map. On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:22 AM, super abnormal wrote: Was just reading that :) I'll go back over areas i've done - but i think we're missing a lot of these from other squares i've looked over. Whoever is managing hotosm comms, might be worth tweeting/reminding all mappers: don't forget to map all round structures, even in middle of remote fields/hillsides, with building=yes. (Even if it might turn out to be a haystack.) And maybe add a link to the really helpful page below to the Instructions section of tasks.hotosm.org, just after the link to tutorial? Wish i'd read it a couple of days ago. Thanks. On 30 Apr 2015, at 2:54 PM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Please see http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id and it's following section about buildings and huts. Nick ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task
Here a few quick comments to start with. But it comes with a disclaimer: I am not an expert for the Nepal activation. So these are just my personal comments as a mapper. 2015-04-30 8:07 GMT+02:00 Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net: I'm working on project #1081 Nepal detailed mapping 2nd pass. I'm new to OSM but have lots of GIS experience. Welcome! (1) The instructions say do not trace all the paths in the fields or small paths of a few hundred meters that do not connect to road networks. If there are existing paths like that in the data, should I delete them? Personally I would not delete them. (2) An existing long way tagged highway=track appears to start as a track that could support motorized vehicles (2 tire tracks are visible), but soon becomes very difficult to distinguish and is perhaps impassible. I'm guessing it was traced from different imagery (I checked Bing and MapBox, per the instructions) - I would not have traced much of it - too hard to see. Should I split this long way and label the second part 'highway=unclassified' or similar? Highway tagging can be confusing: If it is not suitable for a car it should be 'path' instead of 'track' while 'unclassified' is a minor road that does not classify for 'tertiary' or above. The tag for an unknown road is 'highway=road' but I hardly use that. If you want to know more about highway tagging I recommend [1] and/or [2]. (3) Some small hamlets of 5-10 buildings, accessible only by paths, are enclosed in existing 'landuse=residential' polygons. The validation instructions are to confirm there are highways connecting 'residential' areas, and that there are 'residential' polygons around clusters of 20 or so houses. Should I remove the 'residential' polygons around tiny hamlets that are not on roads? Again I would not delete them. I guess if there are building there likely is a path leading there but it might not be visible in the imagery. Sometimes the instructions for tasks change or for subsequent tasks they may not be perfectly in alignment. Different mappers will always make different decision on what to map and what not. Michael (user Ohr) --- [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
Hello, I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far Ive mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). Ive read the beginners tutorials but I havent seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe Ive missed it). E.g., 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile, how far should I digitize it? Only to the border of my task tile or as far as it goes? 2) if I find mistakes from the edge area that are within another tile or that goes beyond my own tile, what should I do? and in general 3) how are roads/tracks connected between the tiles? For example this morning I edited a tile which had a lot of features that were poor in quality. A lot of this data was in another tiles area (landuse = residential). I get it that editing another tiles area might create problems, but in the other hand leaving poor quality data isnt any good either. Link to task instructions: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1009 Best regards, Henri ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] round houses / huts + (Nepal HOT mapping)
Hi All, 1) Big question: There are a lot of round structures in rural Nepal. Some are solid two story houses, others are more like shelters for those working in fields to rest in during the heat of the day. Others look like haystacks or storage structures. However, I'm not seeing many round buildings marked on squares i've looked at. Have others come across this too? I've been ommitting them since nobody else I could see was including them - but I'm starting to realise others' examples not necessarily the best things to follow(!) Should we mark them as building=hut to seperate them from those that are clearly houses? The verify wiki page has similar looking round structures to what i refer - but what about when they are in the middle of a field/hill-side? 2) Some smaller points, that could be added to instructions at start - or tips that could be sent out via @hotosm twitter feed: - if you're newish to osm, don't verify (leave that to those who've been doing it longer) - zoom in close for tracing buildings (e.g. till 50ft shows on scale bottom left of screen on iD editor) - watch out for building hidden under the residential area lines or lines where people have marked forests - (should we be marking forests?) - toggle layers on/off to see what things you might be missing - what to do when features traverse adjacent squares? (finish the first one then check out the second one and join them up is what i've been doing) 3) Last but not least --- can we point new mappers to one or more perfectly mapped and verified beautiful example square(s) somewhere? Quickest way to get up to speed on specific hot needs would be to follow a really good example and refer back to it to check when we need to. Ok, back to editing… ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] round houses / huts + (Nepal HOT mapping)
Hi, Please see http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id and it's following section about buildings and huts. Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 30 Apr 2015 08:50, super abnormal superabnor...@me.com wrote: Hi All, 1) Big question: There are a lot of round structures in rural Nepal. Some are solid two story houses, others are more like shelters for those working in fields to rest in during the heat of the day. Others look like haystacks or storage structures. However, I'm not seeing many round buildings marked on squares i've looked at. Have others come across this too? I've been ommitting them since nobody else I could see was including them - but I'm starting to realise others' examples not necessarily the best things to follow(!) Should we mark them as building=hut to seperate them from those that are clearly houses? The verify wiki page has similar looking round structures to what i refer - but what about when they are in the middle of a field/hill-side? 2) Some smaller points, that could be added to instructions at start - or tips that could be sent out via @hotosm twitter feed: - if you're newish to osm, don't verify (leave that to those who've been doing it longer) - zoom in close for tracing buildings (e.g. till 50ft shows on scale bottom left of screen on iD editor) - watch out for building hidden under the residential area lines or lines where people have marked forests - (should we be marking forests?) - toggle layers on/off to see what things you might be missing - what to do when features traverse adjacent squares? (finish the first one then check out the second one and join them up is what i've been doing) 3) Last but not least --- can we point new mappers to one or more perfectly mapped and verified beautiful example square(s) somewhere? Quickest way to get up to speed on specific hot needs would be to follow a really good example and refer back to it to check when we need to. Ok, back to editing… ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
Suzan The validators can send messages using the Tasking Manager - that numerous other details are listed in http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/ The wiki entry on validating also contains info. Not everyone sends a message, and often you don't need to. You can find the squares you have completed check for comments, or a message can be sent. We need to find ways of improving the searching listing with LearnOSM - we're aware that it's difficult to navigate, but we are a very small team with a lot to do (sounds familiar!). Regards Nick On 30/04/15 10:05, Suzan Reed wrote: So Nick, when we finish a square/tile/project and someone looks to validate it, we get feedback? We are told what we did right and what we did wrong? Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:57 AM, Nick Allen wrote: Henri all, especially any 'new mappers' We need two things which sometimes are in conflict with each other. 1. We're all part of a team, and we need to help each other without causing offence. We all make mistakes, and it's nice to have someone help us when we do - so validators, please consider putting links to help pages when you are 'validating' - I've listed LearnOSM because I know where they are, but there are other excellent resources such as MapGive, tracing guides, quick start guides. LearnOSM has largely been translated into numerous languages so you may consider sending the link in a different language - select the feature in your editor, then press 'Ctrl+h' to see the history of the editing, which will tell you who did it, rather than who updated Task Manager which is often different. Always make sure the guide you are referring to has the same instructions as the particular task/project, because they do vary. Mapping at the edge of a square http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---josm or http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---id The highway network more info about highways http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map Residential boundary http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#residential-boundaries Buildings, including round huts http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers 2. The quality control for the particular project / task. In you're particular case, I would finish my square then log into that adjacent square correct the mistakes - but only if I am certain I am correct, because otherwise it's very embarrassing! Henri - you're starting to think like a validator - please see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data which was based upon work by Severin. If you are not ready to validate yet, then you've made a good start because you've started to realise what's needed. I'm pleased to say I'm still learning - I spend part of my time learning part helping with the mapping. Its a big subject I just hope we don't lose everyone once this drops out of the news headlines. The Aid Organisations (NGO's) are dealing with IDP's (Internally Displaced Persons) all of the time and have a full time staff to do so - the need for adequate mapping will not stop with Nepal. Thanks I hope to see more of your work in the future. Regards Nick (Tallguy) tried to keep it brief, but didn't work! On 30/04/15 09:05, Henri Riihimäki wrote: Thanks Nick! In my case the features didn’t go only a little into the other tile, they went a lot (e.g. they were not ‘handed over’). The edge area instructions could be shortly mentioned with the task instructions (sort of Do’s and Dont’s ) so this kind of mistakes could be avoided. What would be the proper way to correct them? Should I do it as I spot the mistake or should I leave it to the person editing the other tile (note: I have no idea whether the other guy has noticed the mistake). I also find it problematic that I can’t see the features that exist outside of my square, is there a way to see them? (I’m using JOSM) Henri From: Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com] Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2015 10:46 To: Henri Riihimäki Cc: HOT@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly? Henri Using my phone so briefly - see here http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote: Hello, I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed it). E.g., 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile,
Re: [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task
Hello Steve, I think I understand your questions, I am a GIS expert too. But when I take on a HOT task I ask myself, which features are critical to first responders? First of all: Access. So I try to connect networks of roads an tracks accessible to vehicles. Second: Possible human presence. So I map buildings. I do not go into details to much as I feel it is more important they know there is a building then what the building is shaped like. When I discover a group of buildings and I do not have time to map them individualy, I create a residential area. When I come across an existing residential area that is roughly shaped in a later task and I have time to map the individual buildings, I do that and reshape or remove the residential area. And with these, I hope I help lay the basic structure for operations in the field. 2015-04-30 8:28 GMT+02:00 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com: Here a few quick comments to start with. But it comes with a disclaimer: I am not an expert for the Nepal activation. So these are just my personal comments as a mapper. 2015-04-30 8:07 GMT+02:00 Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net: I'm working on project #1081 Nepal detailed mapping 2nd pass. I'm new to OSM but have lots of GIS experience. Welcome! (1) The instructions say do not trace all the paths in the fields or small paths of a few hundred meters that do not connect to road networks. If there are existing paths like that in the data, should I delete them? Personally I would not delete them. (2) An existing long way tagged highway=track appears to start as a track that could support motorized vehicles (2 tire tracks are visible), but soon becomes very difficult to distinguish and is perhaps impassible. I'm guessing it was traced from different imagery (I checked Bing and MapBox, per the instructions) - I would not have traced much of it - too hard to see. Should I split this long way and label the second part 'highway=unclassified' or similar? Highway tagging can be confusing: If it is not suitable for a car it should be 'path' instead of 'track' while 'unclassified' is a minor road that does not classify for 'tertiary' or above. The tag for an unknown road is 'highway=road' but I hardly use that. If you want to know more about highway tagging I recommend [1] and/or [2]. (3) Some small hamlets of 5-10 buildings, accessible only by paths, are enclosed in existing 'landuse=residential' polygons. The validation instructions are to confirm there are highways connecting 'residential' areas, and that there are 'residential' polygons around clusters of 20 or so houses. Should I remove the 'residential' polygons around tiny hamlets that are not on roads? Again I would not delete them. I guess if there are building there likely is a path leading there but it might not be visible in the imagery. Sometimes the instructions for tasks change or for subsequent tasks they may not be perfectly in alignment. Different mappers will always make different decision on what to map and what not. Michael (user Ohr) --- [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
Thanks Nick! In my case the features didn’t go only a little into the other tile, they went a lot (e.g. they were not ‘handed over’). The edge area instructions could be shortly mentioned with the task instructions (sort of Do’s and Dont’s ) so this kind of mistakes could be avoided. What would be the proper way to correct them? Should I do it as I spot the mistake or should I leave it to the person editing the other tile (note: I have no idea whether the other guy has noticed the mistake). I also find it problematic that I can’t see the features that exist outside of my square, is there a way to see them? (I’m using JOSM) Henri From: Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com] Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2015 10:46 To: Henri Riihimäki Cc: HOT@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly? Henri Using my phone so briefly - see here http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk ) On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi mailto:henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote: Hello, I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed it). E.g., 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile, how far should I digitize it? Only to the border of my task tile or as far as it goes? 2) if I find mistakes from the edge area that are within another tile or that goes beyond my own tile, what should I do? and in general 3) how are roads/tracks connected between the tiles? For example this morning I edited a tile which had a lot of features that were poor in quality. A lot of this data was in another tiles area (landuse = residential). I get it that editing another tiles area might create problems, but in the other hand leaving poor quality data isn’t any good either. Link to task instructions: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1009 Best regards, Henri ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
Hi Nick, Thank you for clarifying things. I will read the links you provided. I hope I didn’t offend anyone, it surely wasn’t my purpose, I just want to provide good quality data for the people in need. best regards, Henri From: Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com] Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2015 11:57 To: Henri Riihimäki Cc: 'HOT@openstreetmap.org' Subject: Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly? Henri all, especially any 'new mappers' We need two things which sometimes are in conflict with each other. 1. We're all part of a team, and we need to help each other without causing offence. We all make mistakes, and it's nice to have someone help us when we do - so validators, please consider putting links to help pages when you are 'validating' - I've listed LearnOSM because I know where they are, but there are other excellent resources such as MapGive, tracing guides, quick start guides. LearnOSM has largely been translated into numerous languages so you may consider sending the link in a different language - select the feature in your editor, then press 'Ctrl+h' to see the history of the editing, which will tell you who did it, rather than who updated Task Manager which is often different. Always make sure the guide you are referring to has the same instructions as the particular task/project, because they do vary. Mapping at the edge of a square http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---josm or http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---id The highway network more info about highways http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map Residential boundary http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#residential-boundaries Buildings, including round huts http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers 2. The quality control for the particular project / task. In you're particular case, I would finish my square then log into that adjacent square correct the mistakes - but only if I am certain I am correct, because otherwise it's very embarrassing! Henri - you're starting to think like a validator - please see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data which was based upon work by Severin. If you are not ready to validate yet, then you've made a good start because you've started to realise what's needed. I'm pleased to say I'm still learning - I spend part of my time learning part helping with the mapping. Its a big subject I just hope we don't lose everyone once this drops out of the news headlines. The Aid Organisations (NGO's) are dealing with IDP's (Internally Displaced Persons) all of the time and have a full time staff to do so - the need for adequate mapping will not stop with Nepal. Thanks I hope to see more of your work in the future. Regards Nick (Tallguy) tried to keep it brief, but didn't work! On 30/04/15 09:05, Henri Riihimäki wrote: Thanks Nick! In my case the features didn’t go only a little into the other tile, they went a lot (e.g. they were not ‘handed over’). The edge area instructions could be shortly mentioned with the task instructions (sort of Do’s and Dont’s ) so this kind of mistakes could be avoided. What would be the proper way to correct them? Should I do it as I spot the mistake or should I leave it to the person editing the other tile (note: I have no idea whether the other guy has noticed the mistake). I also find it problematic that I can’t see the features that exist outside of my square, is there a way to see them? (I’m using JOSM) Henri From: Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com] Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2015 10:46 To: Henri Riihimäki Cc: HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly? Henri Using my phone so briefly - see here http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk ) On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi mailto:henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote: Hello, I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed it). E.g., 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile, how far should I digitize it? Only to the border of my task tile or as far as it goes? 2) if I find mistakes from the edge area that are within another tile or that goes beyond my own tile, what should I do? and in general 3) how are roads/tracks connected
Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!
Sorry forma wrong forwarding, this proposal was for community consideration Il 30/apr/2015 12:15, Laura Camellini jeeltcr...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hi all, sorry for not quoting, just telling you my proposal, i followed the events of these days with growing concerning and would like to help you in managing this situation with my few tech skills. Moodle badge's system connected with course completion was built to be shareable, the only thing that nerds to be zone is to connect the badge of a BASIC mapping course with the tasking manager editing permissions. Then alla the people that want to edit the tasking manager maps attributes need to have finished the cpurse with the basic notions to be able not to mess around with tiles. Just my two cents, i really nave few time to work on it bit if you get the basic course done i'll enable course completion and badgrs on moodle and try to synch it with task manager permissione (only with the help of a dev) during my sleeptime :) Best wishes, LauraC Il 29/apr/2015 14:45, Jonathan Webb jonat...@jwebbgis.co.uk ha scritto: I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist learnt on the job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear: As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance and aims. I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been trying to find out what to do how to do it. I am not stupid and if I have missed a link to instructions, then how many other (willing to learn) people have? As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the signposts to learning should be given great prominence be unmissable? Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ? In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a feature's properties are. Also, for example, how to interpret from poor imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to even include it. Jonathan Webb * * As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during ** disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually ** couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO* -- Jonathan Webb Freelance GIS Specialist 07941 921905 http://www.jwebbgis.co.uk http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jwebbgis ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Help.
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Re: [HOT] Help.
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[HOT] HOT's new Interim Executive Director
HI everyone, Please join me in giving a warm welcome to Tyler Radford. He is HOT's Interim Executive Director starting today. Today Tyler will join the community at the first ever HOT Summit held in Washington DC. Blake has been posting about full weekend of all things HOT. As you can imagine this is a true HOT week to join with the focus on the supporting the response for the Nepal Earthquake and the Summit. Talk about an on boarding to a new job experience. More about Tyler: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2015-04-30_welcome_tyler I am hoping to arrange an online community meeting with Tyler in the coming week so that you can meet him and ask questions. Hope you can join us then. As mentioned in the Board's previous announcements, we will continue to provide updates on the next steps. Thank you, Heather Heather Leson HOT Board of Directors, President heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Why we help: Earthbreaking messages asking for help
Nirab from Kathmandu Living Labs is reporting. This is why we help and should try to be more organized to accelerate our response. Just got this my home is Sindhupalchowk, n from remote vdc selang-9. My home n my village is completely destroyed. Just tonight I came walking 3 hrs in a place called jalbire(Bajar-a place with better facilities than village), i thought I would find some relief workers in the nearby bazar but I didnt, i got to access facebook in Jalbire, my village has no reception for ntc/ncell. Our village hasnt received even a single noodle or biscuit. From facebook news i saw everyone ask about only sindhupalchowk, sakhu, melamchi, chautara n barabise. Sindhupalchowk alone has 70-80 vdc(Village development committee), whole sindhupalchowk is devastated, I lost 15 relatives in my village, these deaths wont even be counted, if rescue team were to reach every village sindhupalchowk alone might have 5-6 thousands death and many are missing, rescue team havent reached our village and 100-200 villages like ours , so many dead bodies were pulled out with mutual help, so many are still left and so many animals dead, and it has started to smell, to reach my home you have to go 25 km from araniko highway, and i know somany villages that u need to walk 1 day away from mine , if they havent even reached my village i dont know what has happened to others. I dont know why i posted this, there is one healthpost near my village, and people walk one whole day to that healthpost to get citamol, such place where even citamol hasnt reached i dont think rescue team will, but I wish friends in this group will let related organizations know that sindhupalchowk is big and remote, I wish help and support not only goes to sankhu, melamchi but also to 70 vdc , and my village. I would be thankful if anyone can convey this message to ones tha tcan help Sashank Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Help.
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[HOT] Slow time - adding addresses to all the buildings
It's a commercial idea by what3words but it might add value. What he did was to divide the world up into 3m-by-3m squares, and assign each a unique combination of three words. Could we come up with an open data equivalent of a postcode? http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32444811 Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal
Hi, Forgot to mention I will need the OSM username from the interested people to be able to add them in the job users. Sincerely, Severin On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We just created a TM job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1019 to add the place names from the Public License GNS (GEONet Names Server) http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm data, in order to facilitate the rescue operation in Nepal. As it is a job that requires a strong OSM mapping experience, volunteers fitting with this can express their will to join it by sending a message on the activation email (copied). Thanks again to everyone having joined this Activation and by advance for the future contributions! Sincerely, Severin http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!
Hi As a novice on HOT I would support Severin's suggestion for an Experienced Mapper status for validation. I have managed to complete about 36 Tasks to date, and have decided to concentrate on the Malawi flooding Tasks, although its High Priority status has been rather over taken by recent events. However, despite running for over 2 months only about 30% have been completed. Of my tasks completed three have been validated, with useful supportive comments back from the validators (both of whom feature largely in the ongoing correspondence - which rather says something about the numbers available for validation). I have had two other task areas validated - one of which must be been someone hitting the completed button by mistake since only a couple of buildings and tracks had been plotted - no comments in box. The person who validated the second task for which my comment box indicated some work that still needed adding, added two buildings and then pressed the completed button but again left no comment. This task was their first recorded. I do believe that the validation process needs to provide feedback - not just on the technical quality - but also on things like the choice of highway status made etc. Andrew -- Andrew Patterson The information contained in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended for the addressee only. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Why we help: Earthbreaking messages asking for help
This is the same district I have been requesting imagery for. Thanks for those who have been working on it. But agencies are consistently asking for imagery for this district. Having post quake imagery for affected areas seem to be important at this stage. I have mentioned this few times in Skype room. Thanks. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Nirab from Kathmandu Living Labs is reporting. This is why we help and should try to be more organized to accelerate our response. Just got this my home is Sindhupalchowk, n from remote vdc selang-9. My home n my village is completely destroyed. Just tonight I came walking 3 hrs in a place called jalbire(Bajar-a place with better facilities than village), i thought I would find some relief workers in the nearby bazar but I didnt, i got to access facebook in Jalbire, my village has no reception for ntc/ncell. Our village hasnt received even a single noodle or biscuit. From facebook news i saw everyone ask about only sindhupalchowk, sakhu, melamchi, chautara n barabise. Sindhupalchowk alone has 70-80 vdc(Village development committee), whole sindhupalchowk is devastated, I lost 15 relatives in my village, these deaths wont even be counted, if rescue team were to reach every village sindhupalchowk alone might have 5-6 thousands death and many are missing, rescue team havent reached our village and 100-200 villages like ours , so many dead bodies were pulled out with mutual help, so many are still left and so many animals dead, and it has started to smell, to reach my home you have to go 25 km from araniko highway, and i know somany villages that u need to walk 1 day away from mine , if they havent even reached my village i dont know what has happened to others. I dont know why i posted this, there is one healthpost near my village, and people walk one whole day to that healthpost to get citamol, such place where even citamol hasnt reached i dont think rescue team will, but I wish friends in this group will let related organizations know that sindhupalchowk is big and remote, I wish help and support not only goes to sankhu, melamchi but also to 70 vdc , and my village. I would be thankful if anyone can convey this message to ones tha tcan help *Sashank* Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D. Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org http://www.kathmandulivinglabs.org)* Cell: 977-9803571739 Office: 977-6205000 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles
This is a software issue. Have filed it here: https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/589 -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Nepal rural areas - tagging forests and farmland?
Hi all, I'm completely new to this and just started mapping in Nepal. Now I noticed that some people extensively tag woodland and farmland in the rural areas of Nepal, while the majority does not. I've seen validated squares with and without these tags. Now my first guess is that since it's basically *all* wood- and farmland out there, these tags just clutter the map and should be omitted. But what is the official stance on this? Many thanks! -Falkmar ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Fwd: Urgent: Nepal satellite imagery (Pre-Earthquake VIIRS Sample Files)
see below. perhaps of interest for prioritization. Send from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. In F,LT, Stace Maples Geospatial Manager Stanford Geospatial Center @mapninja staceymaples@G+ Skype: stacey.maples 214.641.0920 Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ I have a map of the United States... actual size. It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. I spent last summer folding it. -Steven Wright- Original message From: Roman, Miguel (GSFC-6190) miguel.o.ro...@nasa.gov Date:04/30/2015 4:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Azevedo, Meredith meredith.azev...@yale.edu, Stacey Maples stacemap...@stanford.edu, Turin, Mark mark.tu...@ubc.ca, Shneiderman, Sara sara.shneider...@ubc.ca, Pablo Suarez suarez...@gmail.com, Jones, Brenda bkjo...@usgs.gov, Schultz, Lori A. (MSFC-ZP11)[UAH] lori.a.schu...@nasa.gov, eleanor.sto...@yale.edu, Seto, Karen karen.s...@yale.edu, Cole, Tony A. (MSFC-ZP11)[UAH] tony.a.c...@nasa.gov, Molthan, Andrew L. (MSFC-ZP11) andrew.molt...@nasa.gov, Voiland, Adam P. (GSFC-613.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC] adam.p.voil...@nasa.gov Cc: Habib, Shahid (GSFC-6104) shahid.habi...@nasa.gov, Irons, James R. (GSFC-6100) james.r.ir...@nasa.gov, Sellers, Piers J. (GSFC-6000) piers.j.sell...@nasa.gov, Masuoka, Edward J. (GSFC-6190) edward.j.masu...@nasa.gov, Devadiga, Sadashiva (GSFC-619.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC] sadashiva.devadig...@nasa.gov, Lynch, Patrick Gerald. (GSFC-606.4)[Wyle Information Systems, LLC] patrick.ly...@nasa.gov, Allen, Jesse S. (GSFC-613.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC] jesse.s.al...@nasa.gov, Carlowicz, Michael J. (GSFC-613.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC] michael.j.carlow...@nasa.gov, KITTEL, DREW H. (GSFC-5860) drew.h.kit...@nasa.gov Subject: RE: Urgent: Nepal satellite imagery (Pre-Earthquake VIIRS Sample Files) Meredith et al., Here's a google drive link containing the latest Suomi-NPP VIIRS Day/Night Band nighttime composites developed by our NASA/GSFC team. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8mPn1wjvuVOWXBWUV9hc01nRVUusp=sharing A Readme is attached to the folder (also included below). Note there are still a lot of corrections to be made in order to make this a scientifically valid estimate of VIIRS nighttime lights. Thus, this sample data are to be considered of BETA quality and should be used with care. Having said that, the sooner we can start analyzing, producing, and sharing our results, the better. Comments and feedback are welcomed. A few key shout outs and updates: Mark (UBC): We haven't forgotten about your district-level plots. We just need a few more days of 'post-earthquake' data to build a good enough sample of the region (the cloudy monsoon period is really hitting us hard). Brenda (USGS): Feel free to relay this message to HDDS listserv + post these files on HDDS portal: http://hddsexplorer.usgs.gov. I would encourage **everyone** on this list to register to HDDS and contribute satellite and GIS data in support of this effort. Lori (NASA SPoRT, cc: Tony and Andrew): Just wanted to plug your recently published VIIRS DNB change detection image of the Kathmandu region: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/kathmandu-with-lights-out-26april15.html?linkId=13865832 I cannot state how significant these results are for the Nepal community. Well done!! Let's all keep up the good work! Cheers, Miguel_ --- Miguel O. Román, Terrestrial Information Systems Laboratory, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 619 Bld-32 S-036F, Greenbelt MD 20771, USA miguel.o.ro...@nasa.govmailto:miguel.o.ro...@nasa.gov, phone +1-301-614-5498, Twitter: @NASA_Roman,https://twitter.com/NASA_Roman URL: http://goo.gl/oRC3rH Latest News Releases: NASA NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record (Univisión América)http://uni.vi/3vMBwv Night Watch: Washington From Space (The Kojo Nnamdi Show, WAMU 88.5 FM NPR)http://thekojonnamdishow.org/shows/2015-01-22/night_watch_washington_from_space --- README V 4/30/2015 07:50:10 Author: Miguel O. Román (NASA/GSFC) --- Description: Included in this folder are 16 Suomi NPP VIIRS daily nighttime composites for the Nepal Region in GEOTIFF format for the period of 4-10-2015 to 4-25-2015. A multidate compositing method, based on Román and Stokes (2015) (see reference below), was adapted to ensure that the correct trajectory of nighttime lights could be retained. File Details: The naming convention for each file is: DNB_DATA.Ayeardoy.AS.MX_version.moon_phase_angle_dow.tif.%QA.tif Here: (1) yeardoy is the year follow by the day-of-year (2) AS is the NASA Land SIPS archive set (used for testing purposes) (3) MX_version is the operational IDPS build used (used for testing purposes) (4) moon_phase_angle = Lunar Phase angle, with 0 = Full moon and 180 = New moon and 90 = half moon.
Re: [HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles
thanks. an other way to help is to contribute to the task manager development, adding, commenting issues. https://github.com/hotosm/imagery-requests/issues regard. Pierre De : spatialbits spatialb...@posteo.net À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 avril 2015 1h48 Objet : Re: [HOT] Validation of 'own' tiles Hi again, last night I went through all the validated tiles in #1009 and had to invalidate most of them. Problem is that very new contributor (no or very few OSM edits, almost no HOT contributions so far) validate tiles. I wrote messages to all of them and it seems that most of them are thankful for guidance. I know there is some discussion about this in some other thread regarding improvements on the process. However I noticed there is no information about the validation step in the instructions to a task, while the functionality is available. Maybe we could add a standard note on this including the link to the wiki in the tasks' descriptions? Best wishes, Martin On 29.04.2015 19:10, spatialbits wrote: Hi all, I noticed in #1009 that some contributors validate tiles they marked as 'done' themselves. Please be reminded that you should not validate your own work! Some info about validation in [1]. Best wishes, Martin [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Martin Seiler Fechenheimer Str. 8 60385 Frankfurt a. M. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] KLL Situation Room Report (Day 5)
Here is the today's report from our situation room http://kathmandulivinglabs.org/blog/nepal-earthquake-report-from-openstreetmaps-situation-room-day-5-april-30/ Thanks again for your continued help! Nama Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D. Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org http://www.kathmandulivinglabs.org)* Cell: 977-9803571739 Office: 977-6205000 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task
Hi Steve, I agree that we can improve. Each activation is pushing us to our limits. The leaders, we do not have time to look at the details. Did not have time either to write updates either then sending short messages on https://twitter.com/pierzen An other area whre help woudbe appreciated. I dont have time to record all the excellent suggestions on the list. regard Pierre De : Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 avril 2015 2h07 Objet : [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task I'm working on project #1081 Nepal detailed mapping 2nd pass. I'm new to OSM but have lots of GIS experience. Not sure how best to handle existing features already in the data (either from the 1st pass, or predating the project) (1) The instructions say do not trace all the paths in the fields or small paths of a few hundred meters that do not connect to road networks. If there are existing paths like that in the data, should I delete them? (2) An existing long way tagged highway=track appears to start as a track that could support motorized vehicles (2 tire tracks are visible), but soon becomes very difficult to distinguish and is perhaps impassible. I'm guessing it was traced from different imagery (I checked Bing and MapBox, per the instructions) - I would not have traced much of it - too hard to see. Should I split this long way and label the second part 'highway=unclassified' or similar? (3) Some small hamlets of 5-10 buildings, accessible only by paths, are enclosed in existing 'landuse=residential' polygons. The validation instructions are to confirm there are highways connecting 'residential' areas, and that there are 'residential' polygons around clusters of 20 or so houses. Should I remove the 'residential' polygons around tiny hamlets that are not on roads? (By the way, I read the GH! thread and agree with Stacey and others that more detailed project instructions would be one key way to improve quality and consistency, especially from new users. My questions reflect the sort of basic examples that could be part of more detailed instructions. Being a new user with fresh eyes, I could help with that - but that's a different thread.) Steve ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] limit validation to experienced users
Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal
Hi Stacy, Well-noted! On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Stacey Maples stacemap...@stanford.edu wrote: Severin, Some of us not quite experienced enough yet HOTTIES would be interested in seeing a summary of the workflows and issues encountered during this task, once it is done. Send from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. In F,LT, Stace Maples Geospatial Manager Stanford Geospatial Center @mapninja staceymaples@G+ Skype: stacey.maples 214.641.0920 Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ I have a map of the United States... actual size. It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. I spent last summer folding it. -Steven Wright- Original message From: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com Date:04/30/2015 5:17 AM (GMT-08:00) To: hot@openstreetmap.org Cc: activat...@hotosm.org Subject: Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal Hi, Forgot to mention I will need the OSM username from the interested people to be able to add them in the job users. Sincerely, Severin On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We just created a TM job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1019 to add the place names from the Public License GNS (GEONet Names Server) http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm data, in order to facilitate the rescue operation in Nepal. As it is a job that requires a strong OSM mapping experience, volunteers fitting with this can express their will to join it by sending a message on the activation email (copied). Thanks again to everyone having joined this Activation and by advance for the future contributions! Sincerely, Severin http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: We are looking to host a mapping hackathon at San Francisco State University in the next few days for the #NepalEarthquake effort. I am fairly new to OSM, so I'm looking for people who can help us in running the training sessions and actual mapping/tagging. We can provide space, computers, students, and also pull people from the local Nepalese community. I would try to connect with an existing OSM Meetup group. You can find all the OSM meetups at htto://openstreetmap.meetup.com - you could Maptime groups. FYI - we are holding a similar event tonight on UW campus in Seattle. Joint venture of Maptime and OSM Seattle. Good luck, Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] map hackathon at SFSU
We are looking to host a mapping hackathon at San Francisco State University in the next few days for the #NepalEarthquake effort. I am fairly new to OSM, so I'm looking for people who can help us in running the training sessions and actual mapping/tagging. We can provide space, computers, students, and also pull people from the local Nepalese community. We are here: http://osm.org/go/TZHsPpgl1--?m= cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Information Systems San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://commons.sfsu.edu/ http://olpcsf.org/ http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/ ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task
An interesting observation here. during this time HOT is experiencing a large expansion of activity and our strength will be how we learn and adapt will be our strength for the future. At some point in the future we should go through all our email trails and mine the experiences people have had to set development priorities for the future. there's many generic crowdsourcing themes here - the importance of validation, the enthusiasm of new users, the profound commitment of contributors at all levels and the overall ability of a self-organising system to produce a valuable resource during this time. Possibly a small group of contributors with a variety of experience and skills could find the useful observations at some point - we're all very busy now but just my observation. jon. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Steve, I agree that we can improve. Each activation is pushing us to our limits. The leaders, we do not have time to look at the details. Did not have time either to write updates either then sending short messages on https://twitter.com/pierzen An other area whre help woudbe appreciated. I dont have time to record all the excellent suggestions on the list. regard Pierre -- *De :* Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 30 avril 2015 2h07 *Objet :* [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task I'm working on project #1081 Nepal detailed mapping 2nd pass. I'm new to OSM but have lots of GIS experience. Not sure how best to handle existing features already in the data (either from the 1st pass, or predating the project) (1) The instructions say do not trace all the paths in the fields or small paths of a few hundred meters that do not connect to road networks. If there are existing paths like that in the data, should I delete them? (2) An existing long way tagged highway=track appears to start as a track that could support motorized vehicles (2 tire tracks are visible), but soon becomes very difficult to distinguish and is perhaps impassible. I'm guessing it was traced from different imagery (I checked Bing and MapBox, per the instructions) - I would not have traced much of it - too hard to see. Should I split this long way and label the second part 'highway=unclassified' or similar? (3) Some small hamlets of 5-10 buildings, accessible only by paths, are enclosed in existing 'landuse=residential' polygons. The validation instructions are to confirm there are highways connecting 'residential' areas, and that there are 'residential' polygons around clusters of 20 or so houses. Should I remove the 'residential' polygons around tiny hamlets that are not on roads? (By the way, I read the GH! thread and agree with Stacey and others that more detailed project instructions would be one key way to improve quality and consistency, especially from new users. My questions reflect the sort of basic examples that could be part of more detailed instructions. Being a new user with fresh eyes, I could help with that - but that's a different thread.) Steve ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU
I've been running trainings at Stanford all week. I can help coordinate and possibly teach, next week. let me know what days/times you have in mind. Sent from my phone. Please excuse typos and brevity. In F,LT, Stace Maples Geospatial Manager Stanford Geospatial Center @mapninja staceymaples@G+mailto:staceymaples@G+ Skype: stacey.maples 214.641.0920 Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ I have a map of the United States... actual size. It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. I spent last summer folding it. -Steven Wright- Original message From: Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu Date:04/30/2015 11:02 AM (GMT-08:00) To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU We are looking to host a mapping hackathon at San Francisco State University in the next few days for the #NepalEarthquake effort. I am fairly new to OSM, so I'm looking for people who can help us in running the training sessions and actual mapping/tagging. We can provide space, computers, students, and also pull people from the local Nepalese community. We are here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__osm.org_go_TZHsPpgl1-2D-2D-3Fm-3Dd=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=l4jX3ekbzNfaOw5MHmJ2NnRzCfBXGaZ-_ddlzABm9g8e= cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Information Systems San Francisco State University https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__verma.sfsu.edu_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=bBlUmjj3zmOzXqFbCoN2iZPIJrzMmOX2xxcts1sNPkEe= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__commons.sfsu.edu_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=BfSHXUx4Anpb78VuoltP3uRt4zWUuzlmi_7W8OKGeHUe= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__olpcsf.org_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=7vn7MKuCtF9Zf1uTwsTMloDpan682w4FomsXT8vYOLwe= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__olpcjamaica.org.jm_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=dlGE0jA8HDVykU7G81LrbYzKVqV7lZ6Oqb1oSh8hytwe= ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.openstreetmap.org_listinfo_hotd=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=8emACZceT7IZis-oyDcvyZkkTlBpcgKbibssl8lep4ce= ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Date of a mapped feature?
Hello, I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the newbie question. Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams, I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can be learnt from the history section? Could you kindly clarify this or point me to the relevant tutorial/resource? Thanks a lot, Chris ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
Kretzer coming back to this subject. A story from behind the scene. This remembers me a new contributor for Ebola that nearly entered in an edit war. He was contacted. This ended-up that he was a very motivated teenager. His parents helped him and he his now in the top list of the Ebola contributors ! Pierre De : Kretzer kret...@gmx.net À : Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com Cc : HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 avril 2015 10h51 Objet : Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Request
But then again, this might also be a military camp, given it is fenced and holds a flagpole: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/27.75311/85.41912 2015-04-30 22:04 GMT+02:00 Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net: I can confirm there is a water plant http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/27.75845/85.41984. The reservoirs have been mapped by previous mappers. The militairy camp might be here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/27.75949/85.42205 as I can see some barack-like structures. 2015-04-30 21:32 GMT+02:00 Kristen Egermeier kegerme...@hotosm.org: Hi Dear Friends and Mappers, I've received a request through Facebook for some mapping needs. Thought I would pass along to you in your continued amazing work! Hello, we have been dispatched with our SAR team to: 27°45'28.5N 85°25'08.8E. There should be a military camp and also a water plant. Would it be possible to map the area for us? Many thanks for your support. Hello, here is a sample how we work with osm during reporting https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4isr7Co6J48bHVKVVp4aXl0V0E/edit?usp=docslist_api Best, Kristen ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Request
I can confirm there is a water plant http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/27.75845/85.41984. The reservoirs have been mapped by previous mappers. The militairy camp might be here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/27.75949/85.42205 as I can see some barack-like structures. 2015-04-30 21:32 GMT+02:00 Kristen Egermeier kegerme...@hotosm.org: Hi Dear Friends and Mappers, I've received a request through Facebook for some mapping needs. Thought I would pass along to you in your continued amazing work! Hello, we have been dispatched with our SAR team to: 27°45'28.5N 85°25'08.8E. There should be a military camp and also a water plant. Would it be possible to map the area for us? Many thanks for your support. Hello, here is a sample how we work with osm during reporting https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4isr7Co6J48bHVKVVp4aXl0V0E/edit?usp=docslist_api Best, Kristen ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mapping Request
Hi Dear Friends and Mappers, I've received a request through Facebook for some mapping needs. Thought I would pass along to you in your continued amazing work! Hello, we have been dispatched with our SAR team to: 27°45'28.5N 85°25'08.8E. There should be a military camp and also a water plant. Would it be possible to map the area for us? Many thanks for your support. Hello, here is a sample how we work with osm during reporting https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4isr7Co6J48bHVKVVp4aXl0V0E/edit?usp=docslist_api Best, Kristen ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?
It is not necessary to open an editor to see these histories, they can be found at the openstreetmap.org site too. To get them, do the following: Zoom in sufficiently that there are not too many objects in the part that you are looking at. Then in the menu in the upper right, click on 'layers' (symbol of 3 slides of paper), then in the menu that appears, select the option 'Map Data' (lowest option). Alternatively, add layers=D to the url (or change layers=H to layers=HD or similarly if you use another map style than standard). For example, for the area around the road Nick mentions, use url http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/27.70651/85.29394layers=D. Now on the map each feature will have a blue line (for ways) or circle (for nodes) around it. If you click on the line or circle, the current information sidebar as described by Nick for that object will appear. André Engels On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Nicholas Doiron ni...@codeforamerica.org wrote: Hi Chris - To answer your question, it IS possible to see edit history of any node (point), way (line or area), or relation (group of features) on OpenStreetMap. This is usually good when imagery and OSM data don't match up - which is older? 1. To see the data, find the number ID. -- On the iD editor, click a feature then View on OpenStreetMap.org in the bottom left. -- In Potlatch, I click a feature, Advanced, and a numeric ID is in the top left. The current info page URL looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/58754640 (replacing way with node for a point). 2. At the bottom of the current information sidebar, there's a link to View History. The URL looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/58754640/history - this feature was first added 5 years ago, and last edited 4 months ago. This history gets lost when you delete and redraw! So always edit when you can. -- Nick Doiron On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Clifford for the clarification. Am I the only one who believes this issue is very important and should be dealt with? Maybe it's more a mid/long term issue: while we can guess that everything which is mapped today in Nepal is very recent because of the effort and wide participation triggered following the earthquake, if another catastrophe happens in a few years in the same region and the mapping effort restarts, rescue teams will have no clue to know whether what they see on the map dates back from the post 2015 earthquake or was mapped following the second catastrophe. This is a real problem, no? And of course this does not only apply for Nepal. At least if would be good to systematically tag the date of the imagery when it is known (Bing), and maybe try to find some strategy to give an estimate date (base on changesets for instance) for other imagery where the exact date is unknown. What do you (experienced users of OSM) think of this? Thanks, Chris On 30/04/2015 23:33, Clifford Snow wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote: I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the newbie question. Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams, I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can be learnt from the history section? I don't believe we capture imagery creation date in the OSM changeset. Bing image tiles do contain a date (right click on the background image in JOSM) but MapBox images last I checked do not. Since we don't capture that data at best you can do is look at the date of the changeset and the Bing image date. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing. not so easy, but maybe this help:Stack Overflow : How to install java jdk 7 on Snow Leopard http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13536667/how-to-install-java-jdk-7-on-snow-leopard Imre 2015-05-01 5:59 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com: Thank you everyone. I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing. Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote: Hey Suzan, Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM? You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6. Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a link to download the newer version. Good luck! On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Nepal Data Quality and strange key:name like : name=building=yes ( count=341 )
Hi, maybe it is not critical but, I have found strange name tagging [ as I see mostly motivated new OSM mappers ] and I don't know it is important or not.. see: http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=building%3Dyes overpass query:http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/96x Regards, Imre ( as a temporary maintainer of http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu refreshed every 30 min ) ps: more:http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys/name#values ( and search - = ) key:name values : Value Count building=yes http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=building%3Dyes 341 1.13% highway=pedestrian http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=highway%3Dpedestrian 58 0.19% Building=yes http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=Building%3Dyes 44 0.15% bridge=suspension http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=bridge%3Dsuspension 3 0.01% building␣=␣yes http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=building%20%3D%20yes 1 0.00% Haus=Building http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=Haus%3DBuilding 1 0.00% building=yes;Beding␣village␣school http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=building%3Dyes%3BBeding%20village%20school 1 0.00% ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Hey Suzan, Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM? You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6. Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a link to download the newer version. Good luck! On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?
Hi Chris - To answer your question, it IS possible to see edit history of any node (point), way (line or area), or relation (group of features) on OpenStreetMap. This is usually good when imagery and OSM data don't match up - which is older? 1. To see the data, find the number ID. -- On the iD editor, click a feature then View on OpenStreetMap.org in the bottom left. -- In Potlatch, I click a feature, Advanced, and a numeric ID is in the top left. The current info page URL looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/58754640 (replacing way with node for a point). 2. At the bottom of the current information sidebar, there's a link to View History. The URL looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/58754640/history - this feature was first added 5 years ago, and last edited 4 months ago. This history gets lost when you delete and redraw! So always edit when you can. -- Nick Doiron On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Clifford for the clarification. Am I the only one who believes this issue is very important and should be dealt with? Maybe it's more a mid/long term issue: while we can guess that everything which is mapped today in Nepal is very recent because of the effort and wide participation triggered following the earthquake, if another catastrophe happens in a few years in the same region and the mapping effort restarts, rescue teams will have no clue to know whether what they see on the map dates back from the post 2015 earthquake or was mapped following the second catastrophe. This is a real problem, no? And of course this does not only apply for Nepal. At least if would be good to systematically tag the date of the imagery when it is known (Bing), and maybe try to find some strategy to give an estimate date (base on changesets for instance) for other imagery where the exact date is unknown. What do you (experienced users of OSM) think of this? Thanks, Chris On 30/04/2015 23:33, Clifford Snow wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote: I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the newbie question. Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams, I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can be learnt from the history section? I don't believe we capture imagery creation date in the OSM changeset. Bing image tiles do contain a date (right click on the background image in JOSM) but MapBox images last I checked do not. Since we don't capture that data at best you can do is look at the date of the changeset and the Bing image date. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Thank you everyone. I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing. Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote: Hey Suzan, Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM? You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6. Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a link to download the newer version. Good luck! On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Look on the JOSM home page about Mcss and Java (7?) you may need to use an earlier version of both. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 20:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Map-In at SMU Dallas
We are holding an Open Map-In at SMU in Dallas for the Nepal Earthquake effort on Tuesday 5th May from 4-6 and on. At the Hunt Institute for Engineering Humanity. Lyle School of Engineering Caruth Hall. Local OSM team invited - and open to all. J Zarazaga ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Remote area mapping, clouds, six questions
Suzan - I would like to hear from others. Here are my newbie thoughts: ONE Small structures that may not be houses: This may depend on the project. For #1018, Nepal Detailed Mapping 2nd Pass, the instructions are to tag buildings as building=yes rather than as 'house'. So I have included some small buildings that may not be houses. In a village with many obvious houses I include less of the smaller buildings, which is inconsistent but seems reasonable given the time crunch. TWO Geologic structures that may appear to be buildings: I make a judgement call on these, but if I can't distinguish straight edges then I generally don't include it. THREE Changing other's work I have changed others' work. For example, a way tagged as highway=track when it really appears to be just a path, I may change it to 'path'. However, I check the tags first to see if there's a source, in which case I don't change it. I correct triangle buildings as they could be confusing (the JOSM buildings_tools plugin does make it much easier to enter rectangular buildings). FOUR Exact building shape For larger buildings with unusual shape I correctly entered the shape. But generally I just put in a rectangle for what I assume is the main building. I put myself in the position of the map user - if they can figure out which building is which, I figure that's enough. FIVE Residential vs. all houses marked Project #1018 *revised* instructions are explicit: Trace ALL individual buildings and tag it as building=yes. For clusters of building, DO NOT enclose the whole area as one building. It is important to trace individual structures for future damage analysis. So I have been correcting enclosed 'residential' areas with no building outlines. Your project may differ, but I would expect consistency across most Nepal mapping projects. SIX Up to date BING images? Good question - the imagery date is apparently not available for some imagery (odd). I have read that the JOSM context (right-click) menu option to Show Tile Info will show the Bing imagery date, but it does not work for me. When I Show Tile Info nothing happens. This link indicates it should show the capture date: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8573 Steve On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:52 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: small buildings building=yes, let some on the ground say its a house etc. If a building is not a triangle then change it to a rectangle. JOSM building tool is fast and very easy to use. Some projects want all buildings, some want residential areas and highways, all buildings are nice but there is a lot of ground to cover so read the instructions first, if you can get away with residential areas rather than buildings according to the instructions go for the residential areas and get more ground mapped in the same time. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 19:39, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: ONE Small structures/houses In remote areas, lightly populated, it's difficult to see if a small structure is a house or something else. I am labeling them all house. Is this correct? People live in tiny places in Nepal, less that 25' square. They are hard to discern. If it looks like a building, I mark it as a house. Is this good? TWO Geologic structures It is difficult to tell geologic structures from houses in some cases. I look to see if there are similar structures in the landscape, if there are fields or agriculture, then mark it as a house as I have been erring on the side of marking houses and having people recognized as being there than not. I want everyone on the map. This may mean I've made mistakes and it's a huge boulder with a shadow. Comments? THREE Changing other's work Also, some of my colleagues have marked houses with triangles, not rectangles. Can I correct these? FOUR Exact building shape Is the shape of the building important? It's often difficult to tell if it's part of the house or an outbuilding or a shed near the house. Knowing there are people living there seems more important, but if the actual shape is important, I will go back and redo my work. FIVE Residential vs. all houses marked Many remote villages are simply marked with a polygon Residential Area. Should I add the structures to these areas? SIX Up to date BING images? Also, how recent are the Bing images? In remote areas, much could have been lost to landslides. I also come across areas with clouds. I can go back and map these if the images are refreshed. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Remote area mapping, clouds, six questions
Suzan, ONE: Because we don't know for sure if these structures are houses, we just tag them as Building. Something the size of a house could be Siddharta's Car Repair, so we're safest with Building. TWO: Could be a huge boulder, but, if it's rectangular, that's unlikely. Most likely, if it's square or rectangular, it's a building. Also, if you look for shadows along the edge, sometimes you can see that it's about one story tall and has a straight roofline. THREE I doubt there are many triangular buildings. Yes, change those. FOUR Try to do the exact building shape. That makes it easier for field teams to match actual buildings to the map. It can be a challenge if the building has a couple of wings and a porch, but it is helpful. FIVE Yes, please add the individual buildings within the residential polygon. SIX Most of the Bing images are not after the earthquake. Some imagery is recent, notably that marked DigitalGlobe, but I'm not sure if it is after the earthquake. Can anyone else answer this question? Thanks for all your hard work. Charlotte At 04:39 PM 4/30/2015, you wrote: ONE Small structures/houses In remote areas, lightly populated, it's difficult to see if a small structure is a house or something else. I am labeling them all house. Is this correct? People live in tiny places in Nepal, less that 25' square. They are hard to discern. If it looks like a building, I mark it as a house. Is this good? TWO Geologic structures It is difficult to tell geologic structures from houses in some cases. I look to see if there are similar structures in the landscape, if there are fields or agriculture, then mark it as a house as I have been erring on the side of marking houses and having people recognized as being there than not. I want everyone on the map. This may mean I've made mistakes and it's a huge boulder with a shadow. Comments? THREE Changing others' work Also, some of my colleagues have marked houses with triangles, not rectangles. Can I correct these? FOUR Exact building shape Is the shape of the building important? It's often difficult to tell if it's part of the house or an outbuilding or a shed near the house. Knowing there are people living there seems more important, but if the actual shape is important, I will go back and redo my work. FIVE Residential vs. all houses marked Many remote villages are simply marked with a polygon Residential Area. Should I add the structures to these areas? SIX Up-to-date BING images? Also, how recent are the Bing images? In remote areas, much could have been lost to landslides. I also come across areas with clouds. I can go back and map these if the images are refreshed. ___ HOT mailing list mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.orgHOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] AOI for Post Disaster Imagery
Hi all, Nirab sent this message, but it doesn't seem to have gone through as a result of the geojson attachments. Relaying the message from the KLL Situation Room here: The weather has been making hard to obtain good post quake imagery. Whenever the weather does clear up, here is what our team at Kathmandu Living Labs thinks are the AOI. These are based on local reports of maximum damage, but also local reports of areas hard to get information from, because of transportation and communication difficulties. Priority 1 is Shindhupalchowk District and the priority 2 districts are the remaining three district attached as below. Please do not ask for specific areas because whole district is equally affected. Geojson files with the exact extent of each district is here: http://geojson.io/#id=gist:prabhasp/4817c69807155bc73d47map=8/27.477/85.501 Sindhupalchowk is in red, the priority 2 districts are in orange. cheers, Prabhas ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Info on Nepal earthquake for NGOs?
OK I've just finished that blog post:http://hotosm.org/updates/2015-05-01_nepal_earthquake_we_have_maps It's still not quite what I had in mind because it turned into a bit of an epic list of links. Always easier to write lots of words than a few :-) But we could maybe do a version of this where we try to limit it to just the more non-techy options for printing and mobile apps. It gave me a few thoughts on our output offerings while I was writing and testing out the options: - I'm not actually sure if we should be recommending OsmAnd for iphone yet. It's very new. Does it work properly? - We have an OsmAnd page on learnosm. It might be good idea to re-arrange that so that a user who's only interested in map *viewing* can read the top of the page. - We could maybe do better with offering ready-to-print downloadable PDFs / raster images. KLL have done a few downloads. I'd love to see some nicely generated *vector* PDFs for crisper print quality (Is *anyone* doing this? I've only ever seen it on cycle.travel ) - KLL have also done some hi-res raster images for print. That's an idea we could do more of. Renderings done in a x2 retina style. - Zverik's been doing some improvements to bigmap2. I need to test that a bit more and chase down a bug I was experiencing. I like the nice sputnik style and the 'contours' transparent overlay which we can play with on there. Harry From: Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk To: Sarah Johns sjo...@bond.org.uk; hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2015, 17:49 Subject: Re: [HOT] Info on Nepal earthquake for NGOs? something for NGOs to encourage them to use the maps I believe our best answer to this question is the top section of the wiki page Map and Data Services http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services But I'm conscious that this is falling short of being a clear glossy brochure-type explanation of the maps we're offering and how NGOs would use them. KLL have done a site which is pretty glossy: http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/ Perhaps that is better link for you to share Sarah. I'm very keen that we should have such information somewhere front and centre (hence this wiki section has ...almost ...stayed at the top of the page) This is actually *the most important message* we need to get out. (Attracting new mappers is *not* the most important message, given that we seem to have almost too many to cope with, and the map was actually pretty detailed before we even started anyway!) I remember writing a blog post about the Haiti response as we encountered a similar flood of new mappers after we'd already created great maps: http://harrywood.co.uk/blog/2010/01/21/haiti-earthquake-on-openstreetmap/ I think the number one untapped opportunity we're offering for on-the-ground aid workers, is *offline maps*. We allow somebody heading into the disaster zone to easily go equipped with detailed maps of all of Nepal loaded onto their device (mainly via the OsmAnd downloads). Why would any aid worker fly out to Nepal and *not* do this? Only because they don't know about it. And if people *are* doing this, prove it! A good cc-licensed photo of an aid worker visibly in Nepal visibly with OpenStreetMap on their smartphone, is all I dream about! (Take that as a challenge, folks in Nepal. Photo me happy!) But I agree we could also do a HOT blog post focussed on the maps and downloads. Maybe I'll begin drafting something: https://hackpad.com/Blog-post-Nepal-earthquake.-We-have-maps-jCyVr9LMoRP Harry Wood (in London UK) - Original Message - From: Sarah Johns sjo...@bond.org.uk To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2015, 16:13 Subject: [HOT] Info on Nepal earthquake for NGOs? Hello I work with Bond, which is the UK network of NGOs. I've posted some info and links about what you are doing on the Nepal earthquake, and wondered if you have an additional blog post or something for NGOs to encourage them to use the maps, or additionally to encourage volunteers to get involved? I know that here in the UK British Red Cross are working with Missing Maps to contribute, and that MapAction is also providing information, but it would be useful to have some general guidance for NGOs as we have many members who are responding. Kind regards, Sarah From: hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org Sent: 29 April 2015 13:00 To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: HOT Digest, Vol 62, Issue 41 Send HOT mailing list submissions to hot@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at hot-ow...@openstreetmap.org When
Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?
Thanks Clifford for the clarification. Am I the only one who believes this issue is very important and should be dealt with? Maybe it's more a mid/long term issue: while we can guess that everything which is mapped today in Nepal is very recent because of the effort and wide participation triggered following the earthquake, if another catastrophe happens in a few years in the same region and the mapping effort restarts, rescue teams will have no clue to know whether what they see on the map dates back from the post 2015 earthquake or was mapped following the second catastrophe. This is a real problem, no? And of course this does not only apply for Nepal. At least if would be good to systematically tag the date of the imagery when it is known (Bing), and maybe try to find some strategy to give an estimate date (base on changesets for instance) for other imagery where the exact date is unknown. What do you (experienced users of OSM) think of this? Thanks, Chris On 30/04/2015 23:33, Clifford Snow wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com mailto:braun...@gmail.com wrote: I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the newbie question. Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams, I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can be learnt from the history section? I don't believe we capture imagery creation date in the OSM changeset. Bing image tiles do contain a date (right click on the background image in JOSM) but MapBox images last I checked do not. Since we don't capture that data at best you can do is look at the date of the changeset and the Bing image date. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us http://osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
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Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote: I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the newbie question. Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams, I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can be learnt from the history section? I don't believe we capture imagery creation date in the OSM changeset. Bing image tiles do contain a date (right click on the background image in JOSM) but MapBox images last I checked do not. Since we don't capture that data at best you can do is look at the date of the changeset and the Bing image date. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU
Still organizing logistics, but looking at Tuesday May 5. I have space booked for the whole day. Thanks! Sameer On Apr 30, 2015 11:08 AM, Maples, Stacey stacey.map...@yale.edu wrote: I've been running trainings at Stanford all week. I can help coordinate and possibly teach, next week. let me know what days/times you have in mind. Sent from my phone. Please excuse typos and brevity. In F,LT, Stace Maples Geospatial Manager Stanford Geospatial Center @mapninja staceymaples@G+ Skype: stacey.maples 214.641.0920 Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ I have a map of the United States... actual size. It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. I spent last summer folding it. -Steven Wright- Original message From: Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu Date:04/30/2015 11:02 AM (GMT-08:00) To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU We are looking to host a mapping hackathon at San Francisco State University in the next few days for the #NepalEarthquake effort. I am fairly new to OSM, so I'm looking for people who can help us in running the training sessions and actual mapping/tagging. We can provide space, computers, students, and also pull people from the local Nepalese community. We are here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__osm.org_go_TZHsPpgl1-2D-2D-3Fm-3Dd=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=l4jX3ekbzNfaOw5MHmJ2NnRzCfBXGaZ-_ddlzABm9g8e= cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Information Systems San Francisco State University https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__verma.sfsu.edu_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=bBlUmjj3zmOzXqFbCoN2iZPIJrzMmOX2xxcts1sNPkEe= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__commons.sfsu.edu_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=BfSHXUx4Anpb78VuoltP3uRt4zWUuzlmi_7W8OKGeHUe= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__olpcsf.org_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=7vn7MKuCtF9Zf1uTwsTMloDpan682w4FomsXT8vYOLwe= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__olpcjamaica.org.jm_d=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=dlGE0jA8HDVykU7G81LrbYzKVqV7lZ6Oqb1oSh8hytwe= ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.openstreetmap.org_listinfo_hotd=AwIGaQc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=MA_t3cJrzmVrjaqc38JWw5lil6fid0uuEyuOl3PdF6km=rAm6t5WDbH4fSJiVHmp4iM23sfb5oYHS1BlAwjsDEk8s=8emACZceT7IZis-oyDcvyZkkTlBpcgKbibssl8lep4ce= ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU
Thx! Will take a look and catch up. Sameer On Apr 30, 2015 11:10 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: We are looking to host a mapping hackathon at San Francisco State University in the next few days for the #NepalEarthquake effort. I am fairly new to OSM, so I'm looking for people who can help us in running the training sessions and actual mapping/tagging. We can provide space, computers, students, and also pull people from the local Nepalese community. I would try to connect with an existing OSM Meetup group. You can find all the OSM meetups at htto://openstreetmap.meetup.com - you could Maptime groups. FYI - we are holding a similar event tonight on UW campus in Seattle. Joint venture of Maptime and OSM Seattle. Good luck, Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Remote area mapping, clouds, six questions
ONE Small structures/houses In remote areas, lightly populated, it's difficult to see if a small structure is a house or something else. I am labeling them all house. Is this correct? People live in tiny places in Nepal, less that 25' square. They are hard to discern. If it looks like a building, I mark it as a house. Is this good? TWO Geologic structures It is difficult to tell geologic structures from houses in some cases. I look to see if there are similar structures in the landscape, if there are fields or agriculture, then mark it as a house as I have been erring on the side of marking houses and having people recognized as being there than not. I want everyone on the map. This may mean I've made mistakes and it's a huge boulder with a shadow. Comments? THREE Changing other's work Also, some of my colleagues have marked houses with triangles, not rectangles. Can I correct these? FOUR Exact building shape Is the shape of the building important? It's often difficult to tell if it's part of the house or an outbuilding or a shed near the house. Knowing there are people living there seems more important, but if the actual shape is important, I will go back and redo my work. FIVE Residential vs. all houses marked Many remote villages are simply marked with a polygon Residential Area. Should I add the structures to these areas? SIX Up to date BING images? Also, how recent are the Bing images? In remote areas, much could have been lost to landslides. I also come across areas with clouds. I can go back and map these if the images are refreshed. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task
I would agree with Michael - do not delete existing work, unless it is clearly wrong of course. Bear in mind that professionals using the OSM map data can process it, and use it as they see fit, e.g. only include specific features is their own maps, exclude old data, and so on. On 30 April 2015 at 17:57, kusala nine kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: An interesting observation here. during this time HOT is experiencing a large expansion of activity and our strength will be how we learn and adapt will be our strength for the future. At some point in the future we should go through all our email trails and mine the experiences people have had to set development priorities for the future. there's many generic crowdsourcing themes here - the importance of validation, the enthusiasm of new users, the profound commitment of contributors at all levels and the overall ability of a self-organising system to produce a valuable resource during this time. Possibly a small group of contributors with a variety of experience and skills could find the useful observations at some point - we're all very busy now but just my observation. jon. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Steve, I agree that we can improve. Each activation is pushing us to our limits. The leaders, we do not have time to look at the details. Did not have time either to write updates either then sending short messages on https://twitter.com/pierzen An other area whre help woudbe appreciated. I dont have time to record all the excellent suggestions on the list. regard Pierre -- *De :* Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 30 avril 2015 2h07 *Objet :* [HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task I'm working on project #1081 Nepal detailed mapping 2nd pass. I'm new to OSM but have lots of GIS experience. Not sure how best to handle existing features already in the data (either from the 1st pass, or predating the project) (1) The instructions say do not trace all the paths in the fields or small paths of a few hundred meters that do not connect to road networks. If there are existing paths like that in the data, should I delete them? (2) An existing long way tagged highway=track appears to start as a track that could support motorized vehicles (2 tire tracks are visible), but soon becomes very difficult to distinguish and is perhaps impassible. I'm guessing it was traced from different imagery (I checked Bing and MapBox, per the instructions) - I would not have traced much of it - too hard to see. Should I split this long way and label the second part 'highway=unclassified' or similar? (3) Some small hamlets of 5-10 buildings, accessible only by paths, are enclosed in existing 'landuse=residential' polygons. The validation instructions are to confirm there are highways connecting 'residential' areas, and that there are 'residential' polygons around clusters of 20 or so houses. Should I remove the 'residential' polygons around tiny hamlets that are not on roads? (By the way, I read the GH! thread and agree with Stacey and others that more detailed project instructions would be one key way to improve quality and consistency, especially from new users. My questions reflect the sort of basic examples that could be part of more detailed instructions. Being a new user with fresh eyes, I could help with that - but that's a different thread.) Steve ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Dan Marsh http://www.dm-photographics.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal Data Quality and strange key:name like : name=building=yes ( count=341 )
Good Super Validation. These are ways to find / correct. I would do distinct Overpass query for nodes and ways.Nodes would have to be converted to ways.And ways needs to be validated one by one to assure that these are houses and not a residential area with many houses inside. The Todo Plugin in JOSM let's do that. Once the plugin installedYou select all ways for example, then in the Todo panel on the right, you click on the Add button to to add all the objects to the list. From there you pass one by one clicking on the zoom button. Pierre De : Imre Samu pella.s...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 avril 2015 18h42 Objet : [HOT] Nepal Data Quality and strange key:name like : name=building=yes ( count=341 ) Hi, maybe it is not critical but, I have found strange name tagging [ as I see mostly motivated new OSM mappers ] and I don't know it is important or not.. see: http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/tags/?key=namevalue=building%3Dyesoverpass query: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/96x Regards, Imre ( as a temporary maintainer of http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu refreshed every 30 min ) ps: more: http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys/name#values ( and search - = ) key:name values : | Value | Count | | | | building=yes | 3411.13% | | | | highway=pedestrian | 580.19% | | | | Building=yes | 440.15% | | | | bridge=suspension | 30.01% | | | | building␣=␣yes | 10.00% | | | | Haus=Building | 10.00% | | | | building=yes;Beding␣village␣school | 10.00% | | | ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Remote area mapping, clouds, six questions
small buildings building=yes, let some on the ground say its a house etc. If a building is not a triangle then change it to a rectangle. JOSM building tool is fast and very easy to use. Some projects want all buildings, some want residential areas and highways, all buildings are nice but there is a lot of ground to cover so read the instructions first, if you can get away with residential areas rather than buildings according to the instructions go for the residential areas and get more ground mapped in the same time. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 19:39, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: ONE Small structures/houses In remote areas, lightly populated, it's difficult to see if a small structure is a house or something else. I am labeling them all house. Is this correct? People live in tiny places in Nepal, less that 25' square. They are hard to discern. If it looks like a building, I mark it as a house. Is this good? TWO Geologic structures It is difficult to tell geologic structures from houses in some cases. I look to see if there are similar structures in the landscape, if there are fields or agriculture, then mark it as a house as I have been erring on the side of marking houses and having people recognized as being there than not. I want everyone on the map. This may mean I've made mistakes and it's a huge boulder with a shadow. Comments? THREE Changing other's work Also, some of my colleagues have marked houses with triangles, not rectangles. Can I correct these? FOUR Exact building shape Is the shape of the building important? It's often difficult to tell if it's part of the house or an outbuilding or a shed near the house. Knowing there are people living there seems more important, but if the actual shape is important, I will go back and redo my work. FIVE Residential vs. all houses marked Many remote villages are simply marked with a polygon Residential Area. Should I add the structures to these areas? SIX Up to date BING images? Also, how recent are the Bing images? In remote areas, much could have been lost to landslides. I also come across areas with clouds. I can go back and map these if the images are refreshed. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal
Severin, Some of us not quite experienced enough yet HOTTIES would be interested in seeing a summary of the workflows and issues encountered during this task, once it is done. Send from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. In F,LT, Stace Maples Geospatial Manager Stanford Geospatial Center @mapninja staceymaples@G+ Skype: stacey.maples 214.641.0920 Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ I have a map of the United States... actual size. It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. I spent last summer folding it. -Steven Wright- Original message From: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com Date:04/30/2015 5:17 AM (GMT-08:00) To: hot@openstreetmap.org Cc: activat...@hotosm.org Subject: Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal Hi, Forgot to mention I will need the OSM username from the interested people to be able to add them in the job users. Sincerely, Severin On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We just created a TM job to add the place names from the Public License GNS (GEONet Names Server) data, in order to facilitate the rescue operation in Nepal. As it is a job that requires a strong OSM mapping experience, volunteers fitting with this can express their will to join it by sending a message on the activation email (copied). Thanks again to everyone having joined this Activation and by advance for the future contributions! Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal rural areas - tagging forests and farmland?
Hi Falkmar, If you look at the tasks up on the tasking manager they usually tell you what to prioritize. In general, woodlands and farmlands are very much nice to have at this moment. We're prioritizing roads, residential areas, buildings and any critical infrastructure we can see (bridges, schools, etc.). Rivers and other transportation barriers are also of use. Getting aid to areas affected is at the moment the biggest challenge for areas outside Kathmandu. So understanding accessibility and where people are is key. See the various tasks at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ for task specific instructions. If one is lacking or incomplete, please speak up here and one of the activation leads can add the necessary detail. Thanks for mapping! Best, Robert On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: Hello Falkmar, My opinion is persona, not that of the community, but I agree. The best thing is concentrating your mapping effort on the things that you believe are most relevant. Good luck participating! Kind regards, Milo 2015-04-30 9:16 GMT+02:00 falk...@gmx.net: Hi all, I'm completely new to this and just started mapping in Nepal. Now I noticed that some people extensively tag woodland and farmland in the rural areas of Nepal, while the majority does not. I've seen validated squares with and without these tags. Now my first guess is that since it's basically *all* wood- and farmland out there, these tags just clutter the map and should be omitted. But what is the official stance on this? Many thanks! -Falkmar ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] NEPAL/Taginfo ( http://178.62.129.19/ temporary instance )
On 04/29/2015 05:12 PM, Imre Samu wrote: My only knowledge in HOT tagging, that: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 and #1010 use this tags: * idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp * damage:event=nepal_earthquake_2015 Are there any plans to map damage to buildings and infrastructure? There was a lot of that after the Sendai/Japan Tsunami in 2011 and my garmin map has a layer showing these things: http://www.kleineisel.de/blogs/index.php/osmmap/2011/03/17/update-japan-and-sendai ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal rural areas - tagging forests and farmland?
Hi Falkmar, Welcome and thanks for your effort! The best way to think about this is that we want to get the maximum benefit we can, out of your time. That's why we don't ask you to map everything - in the task instructions it's usually very specific about the type of feature that needs mapping. So if it's not mentioned in the task instructions, please feel free to ignore the feature. Some people add extra features (such as farms, woodland) when they are easy to see on aerial imagery and they might be useful landmarks. Also, in terms of your personal concentration sometimes it helps to map interesting things as well as important things, it makes the job a bit more fun. Validators should not penalise you for adding, or not adding, extra things. But I'd suggest keep the extras to a fairly low level, because they're not the humanitarian priority. Our job here is not to finish the map but to make it useful for the humanitarian needs. Best Dan 2015-04-30 8:16 GMT+01:00 falk...@gmx.net: Hi all, I'm completely new to this and just started mapping in Nepal. Now I noticed that some people extensively tag woodland and farmland in the rural areas of Nepal, while the majority does not. I've seen validated squares with and without these tags. Now my first guess is that since it's basically *all* wood- and farmland out there, these tags just clutter the map and should be omitted. But what is the official stance on this? Many thanks! -Falkmar ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal rural areas - tagging forests and farmland?
Hello Falkmar, My opinion is persona, not that of the community, but I agree. The best thing is concentrating your mapping effort on the things that you believe are most relevant. Good luck participating! Kind regards, Milo 2015-04-30 9:16 GMT+02:00 falk...@gmx.net: Hi all, I'm completely new to this and just started mapping in Nepal. Now I noticed that some people extensively tag woodland and farmland in the rural areas of Nepal, while the majority does not. I've seen validated squares with and without these tags. Now my first guess is that since it's basically *all* wood- and farmland out there, these tags just clutter the map and should be omitted. But what is the official stance on this? Many thanks! -Falkmar ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] How to handle existing features for #1018 Nepal task
I'm working on project #1081 Nepal detailed mapping 2nd pass. I'm new to OSM but have lots of GIS experience. Not sure how best to handle existing features already in the data (either from the 1st pass, or predating the project) (1) The instructions say do not trace all the paths in the fields or small paths of a few hundred meters that do not connect to road networks. If there are existing paths like that in the data, should I delete them? (2) An existing long way tagged highway=track appears to start as a track that could support motorized vehicles (2 tire tracks are visible), but soon becomes very difficult to distinguish and is perhaps impassible. I'm guessing it was traced from different imagery (I checked Bing and MapBox, per the instructions) - I would not have traced much of it - too hard to see. Should I split this long way and label the second part 'highway=unclassified' or similar? (3) Some small hamlets of 5-10 buildings, accessible only by paths, are enclosed in existing 'landuse=residential' polygons. The validation instructions are to confirm there are highways connecting 'residential' areas, and that there are 'residential' polygons around clusters of 20 or so houses. Should I remove the 'residential' polygons around tiny hamlets that are not on roads? (By the way, I read the GH! thread and agree with Stacey and others that more detailed project instructions would be one key way to improve quality and consistency, especially from new users. My questions reflect the sort of basic examples that could be part of more detailed instructions. Being a new user with fresh eyes, I could help with that - but that's a different thread.) Steve ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
at the same time, this various emotive ractions. we should have some empathy and explain calmly to these contributors. thanks to take care of this. Pierre De : Kretzer kret...@gmx.net À : Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com Cc : HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 avril 2015 10h51 Objet : Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] NEPAL/Taginfo ( http://178.62.129.19/ temporary instance )
hi ralf we are all waiting anxiously for post-disaster imagery. great support from the various satellite companies. greay thanks for their contibutions, to realign and try to take new pictures. this is the monsoon season and badly too cloudy. Pierre De : Ralf Kleineisel ralf-li...@kleineisel.de À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 avril 2015 11h21 Objet : Re: [HOT] NEPAL/Taginfo ( http://178.62.129.19/ temporary instance ) On 04/29/2015 05:12 PM, Imre Samu wrote: My only knowledge in HOT tagging, that: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 and #1010 use this tags: * idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp * damage:event=nepal_earthquake_2015 Are there any plans to map damage to buildings and infrastructure? There was a lot of that after the Sendai/Japan Tsunami in 2011 and my garmin map has a layer showing these things: http://www.kleineisel.de/blogs/index.php/osmmap/2011/03/17/update-japan-and-sendai ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
