[HOT] Taking Care
Hi Folks, Kathleen reposted my Take Care post last week. I hope you read it. You may have seen notes from Mikel and Blake advising that they are taking a break. I took one on Friday/Saturday (the weekend in the middle east). The Nepal HOT response will be long. Each of you have done so much to help. Thank you to all the leaders and contributors. Some of you are mapping alone and maybe not talking on IRC or Mumble. It is so important to rest. Here is a quick list of things you can do to take care: 1. Drink more water. 2. Take 12 to 24 hours off. Hand off tasks if you can. Offer to help those who have not taken a break. 2. Sleep 6 - 8 hours if not more. 3. Eat healthy food - vegetables, fruit. 4. Go for a walk 5. Watch a movie, listen to music. 6. Talk with a friend or family member about something that is not mapping 7. Tell this list to your friends and family and ask them to watch out for you, your energy and health in the coming days and weeks. I know some of these items seem simple or extravagant considering the emergency at hand, but many of us have burnt out during emergencies. It will sneak up on you - the stress and the rollercoaster. You may downplay it. This is why we share to remind you that digital contributors can become strained too. HOT needs to build some mechanisms to co-map (map in pairs) or group check in points as many of us are doing all kinds of activities remotely. Believe me, many of us are thinking about this and how to help. I am going to work today (jobs matter too) and then do a few hours of HOT communications catch up. On Thursday I was very tired, so I promised myself a break. This I share with you because I know that many of you are quietly working away. Your gift is beautiful and you are changing the world. But the world needs you rested too. Thank you again for being so inspiring Heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code
This What3words looks like a genius idea to me! I especially like this comitment in the FAQ: If we, what3words ltd, are ever unable to maintain the what3words technology or make arrangements for it to be maintained by a third-party (with that third-party being willing to make this same commitment), then we will release our source code into the public domain. We will do this in such a way and with suitable licences and documentation to ensure that any and all users of what3words, whether they are individuals, businesses, charitable organisations, aid agencies, governments or anyone else can continue to rely on the what3words system. @Mark: do you have some feedback about your pilot in Tanzania? Any report or something we can have a look at? Cheers Stéphane -- No one goes so far or so fast as the man who does not know where he is going. Any worthwhile expedition can be planned on the back of an envelope. Bill Tillman On 3 May 2015 12:06, Krishma Nayee kris...@what3words.com wrote: Hi Tomaso, Yes that is true, there is no ‘indexing’ between neighbouring squares. The algorithm converts coordinates into the 3 word address which are unique but fixed. Yes locating a tent would return several addresses, but it is just like collecting a set of coordinates for each tent. The benefit being that you can now communicate that location in a human friendly and rapid way. You can collect the 3 word location for the front of the tent or the centroid (if the coordinates have already been collected you can use the batch conversion tool - http://developer.what3words.com/batch-conversion-tool/). Human beings make errors. The system is optimized to recognise and autocorrect both sharer and receiver mistakes. The what3words autocorrect system picks up errors in spelling, typing, speaking, and mishearing 3 word locations. The system has shuffled all of similar sounding 3 word locations as far away from each other as possible, so it can use your location to intelligently guess where you meant. A lot of the time when the similar sounding addresses are near enough to each other it can be very confusing and often results in huge delays whilst the user works out what has gone wrong and what the right address actually is. Krishma From: Tomaso Bertoli tomaso.bert...@gmail.com Date: 3 May 2015 10:44:51 CEST To: Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code Hello Mark I looked at what3words The idea is quite good but I'm not sure why there appears to be no indexing two cells addresses three meters apart differ in all the three words and the addressing is way too sensible ... locating a tent would return serveral addresses It would be easier if the three words in the sequence would provide increasing detail in the geographic location So the addresses of the tent would differ only in the last word of the sequence Is the something I misunderstood or neglected in the what3words concept? Tomaso Il 03/Mag/2015 00:14, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk ha scritto: Hi John, All, what3words is free at point of use and is human readable - the word component also is quite good at error checking. Postcodes and generic codes work if the people you want to use them have a cognition of addressing systems like postcodes or mailstops. My experience in rural Tanzania is that they don't have that experience. We've been integrating what3words so people will be able phone or text location. ID numbers on water points just washed away/eroded. what3words works even under partial degradation, then it can be error corrected unlike a postcode where every digit is relevant. Best, Mark Sent from my iPhone On 2 May 2015, at 23:52, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: what3words is nice but is commercial. I was hoping for some sort of open data prem code postcode idea. UK prem code is the house number so a prem code followed by the postcode is a unique address. Example 10pr82az is 10 weld road southport pr8 2az. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 17:42, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk wrote: Hi Claire, Have you had a look at what3words: http://what3words.com? It's three words and is multi lingual, quite a lot more usable than genetic codes. In Tanzania my team and I have been looking at using them (through pilots) for locating/identifying water points and will scale them across a few regions over the next year. Happy to chat more if you would like. Best, Mark On 2 May 2015, at 21:45, Claire Halleux claire.hall...@hotosm.org wrote: Ever heard of this? A G*solution for locating places accurately where addresses are not obvious: http://google-opensource.blogspot.be/2015/04/open-location-code-addresses-for.html Still, it doesn't seem to me more intuitive than coordinate systems.
Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code
Hello Mark I looked at what3words The idea is quite good but I'm not sure why there appears to be no indexing two cells addresses three meters apart differ in all the three words and the addressing is way too sensible ... locating a tent would return serveral addresses It would be easier if the three words in the sequence would provide increasing detail in the geographic location So the addresses of the tent would differ only in the last word of the sequence Is the something I misunderstood or neglected in the what3words concept? Tomaso Il 03/Mag/2015 00:14, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk ha scritto: Hi John, All, what3words is free at point of use and is human readable - the word component also is quite good at error checking. Postcodes and generic codes work if the people you want to use them have a cognition of addressing systems like postcodes or mailstops. My experience in rural Tanzania is that they don't have that experience. We've been integrating what3words so people will be able phone or text location. ID numbers on water points just washed away/eroded. what3words works even under partial degradation, then it can be error corrected unlike a postcode where every digit is relevant. Best, Mark Sent from my iPhone On 2 May 2015, at 23:52, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: what3words is nice but is commercial. I was hoping for some sort of open data prem code postcode idea. UK prem code is the house number so a prem code followed by the postcode is a unique address. Example 10pr82az is 10 weld road southport pr8 2az. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 17:42, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk wrote: Hi Claire, Have you had a look at what3words: http://what3words.com? It's three words and is multi lingual, quite a lot more usable than genetic codes. In Tanzania my team and I have been looking at using them (through pilots) for locating/identifying water points and will scale them across a few regions over the next year. Happy to chat more if you would like. Best, Mark On 2 May 2015, at 21:45, Claire Halleux claire.hall...@hotosm.org wrote: Ever heard of this? A G*solution for locating places accurately where addresses are not obvious: http://google-opensource.blogspot.be/2015/04/open-location-code-addresses-for.html Still, it doesn't seem to me more intuitive than coordinate systems. Ex: I am currently in 87C4VXW3+HG8. There are ways to shorten it, but I doubt that those would be applicable in places that would actually need this kind of tool. However, would you have any experience on this or other ways to share regarding using non standard geographic coordinates system for locating places? Claire Claire Halleux +243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team http://www.hotosm.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_DRC_Ebola_Response ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Thank you Heather, highly appreciated. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up. A quick note that this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that great. If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to timezones and approvals by different UN groups. Thank you again for your work and advocacy. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Inquiry sent. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: Heather, 2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing facilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up. A quick note that this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that great. If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to timezones and approvals by different UN groups. Thank you again for your work and advocacy. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Inquiry sent. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: Heather, 2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing facilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating
Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code
Ok, look forward to reading about it! Thanks and cheers Stéphane -- Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants malheureux -- Albert Einstein Si les contacts avec les étrangers lui étaient permis, [le citoyen ordinaire] découvrirait que ce sont des créatures semblables à lui-même et que la plus grande partie de ce qu'on lui a raconté d'eux est fausse. Le monde fermé, scellé, dans lequel il vit, serait brisé, et la crainte, la haine, la certitude de son bon droit, desquelles dépend sa morale, pourraient disparaître -- George Orwell (1984) “When you travel, remember that a foreign country is not designed to make you comfortable. It is designed to make its own people comfortable. -- Clifton Fadiman Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info 2015-05-03 18:15 GMT+02:00 Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk: Stéphane, There will be shortly, will reply to this thread in due course. At the moment we’re working on extending relationships with community members and government from our pilot in June last year to scale regionally. Best, Mark On 3 May 2015, at 12:18, Stéphane Henriod s...@henriod.info wrote: This What3words looks like a genius idea to me! I especially like this comitment in the FAQ: If we, what3words ltd, are ever unable to maintain the what3words technology or make arrangements for it to be maintained by a third-party (with that third-party being willing to make this same commitment), then we will release our source code into the public domain. We will do this in such a way and with suitable licences and documentation to ensure that any and all users of what3words, whether they are individuals, businesses, charitable organisations, aid agencies, governments or anyone else can continue to rely on the what3words system. @Mark: do you have some feedback about your pilot in Tanzania? Any report or something we can have a look at? Cheers Stéphane -- No one goes so far or so fast as the man who does not know where he is going. Any worthwhile expedition can be planned on the back of an envelope. Bill Tillman On 3 May 2015 12:06, Krishma Nayee kris...@what3words.com wrote: Hi Tomaso, Yes that is true, there is no ‘indexing’ between neighbouring squares. The algorithm converts coordinates into the 3 word address which are unique but fixed. Yes locating a tent would return several addresses, but it is just like collecting a set of coordinates for each tent. The benefit being that you can now communicate that location in a human friendly and rapid way. You can collect the 3 word location for the front of the tent or the centroid (if the coordinates have already been collected you can use the batch conversion tool - http://developer.what3words.com/batch-conversion-tool/ ). Human beings make errors. The system is optimized to recognise and autocorrect both sharer and receiver mistakes. The what3words autocorrect system picks up errors in spelling, typing, speaking, and mishearing 3 word locations. The system has shuffled all of similar sounding 3 word locations as far away from each other as possible, so it can use your location to intelligently guess where you meant. A lot of the time when the similar sounding addresses are near enough to each other it can be very confusing and often results in huge delays whilst the user works out what has gone wrong and what the right address actually is. Krishma From: Tomaso Bertoli tomaso.bert...@gmail.com Date: 3 May 2015 10:44:51 CEST To: Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code Hello Mark I looked at what3words The idea is quite good but I'm not sure why there appears to be no indexing two cells addresses three meters apart differ in all the three words and the addressing is way too sensible ... locating a tent would return serveral addresses It would be easier if the three words in the sequence would provide increasing detail in the geographic location So the addresses of the tent would differ only in the last word of the sequence Is the something I misunderstood or neglected in the what3words concept? Tomaso Il 03/Mag/2015 00:14, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk ha scritto: Hi John, All, what3words is free at point of use and is human readable - the word component also is quite good at error checking. Postcodes and generic codes work if the people you want to use them have a cognition of addressing systems like postcodes or mailstops. My experience in rural Tanzania is that they don't have that experience. We've been integrating what3words so people will be able phone or text location. ID numbers on water points just washed away/eroded. what3words works even under partial degradation, then it can be error corrected unlike a postcode where every digit is relevant. Best,
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:55 PM, kusala nine kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I noticed one of these too in the region of Gorkha. Maybe someone has bulk uploaded hospital locations and some are incorrect or imprecise. I deleted one when doing #1024 as it was in the middle of nowhere... Maybe worth extracting and validating them as a one-off job. I seem to remember seeing an email thread about unverified hospital locations but can't find it now anyone else know? There was a shapefile with health facilities of Nepal. Many of the nodes were in the middle of no where. So were nearby health facilities already in OSM but many were not. I recommended not importing the data. I also believe that there was questionable license associated with the file. I'm unable to find the data and may have deleted it already. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question just to be sure.. Residential landuse areas should have at least 20 buildings?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi: landuse=residential can be applied even to one small area where there is only one isolated house. The meaning of landuse=residential is that the area it encloses is used primarily for residential purposes. There is no incompatibility of this with any number of enclosed buildings whatsoever. Cheers, Rafael. On 02/05/15 17:26, Michael Krämer wrote: Am 02.05.2015 23:04 schrieb john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com: I have been routinely mapping groups of say half a dozen huts in West Africa as landuse=residential and its the first time I've seen a minimum number of twenty buildings. Same for me. I probably added some of these just today. So I would recommend not to delete the polygon. In a 'perfectly' mapped area there would be buildings within a landuse polygon - it's not 'either or' but 'as well as' Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRrM/AAoJEB3niTly2pPQ2vkP/1aY3ztCXb9JefcylcgspaED cu1XljqQLYyKX4USxdrON/8/8WIUb3W7qCssBYK5y5SMv0N6u2fvyESo2D12kHQ/ fuOUkcBIqckK/DP8Inb7Geaq04b5HZcCyGfFgGoIpNXltHNKdA4Fe7xcy4q1f03h +NJy+l8YJwn26I2zkZtOQ2fpZ9iKY/fltCvf2swN2G+HTT/thHp2kS4Y43ujnrXN t+5mE5MTlD6cIOPPic+DqHwc4MtKVOPjrlKJ7w4rDBH6SLfUKFqlJ5Gn1mmbov2E XhHPfbjRNws8g/gaLMkmNpuC/Cn/Q7QlnjDRC8VhkzPnL+CinUWhr2Tv2vm+BWUb RhaZ7/K3EqQl6SEcNDnYZPLDh+GGVvt5/DRGIJfqjvddeitF1hv47Vgn02S9Indt St54BDxfYLp5kr7Yeu5vG5rfm/nF0UGZ0ZUjtRHAW78Y2NBIwWqv3KlnyMEzWjoM AoZ6yYGU/MGYUv9PAqKwxtTSnlJomtoXzvHNIk9qOAOSz7izpT4dtaxNvtAYfCYN o7LMiNkm9kzq5m4jfZuMIK96sdiFwhu41nyFKVpSKnInVBx3yR6sNsPc2V1AbZ2/ WBVbHXcB45ReQmT3yxu/ahCZztLycnzaeckSwD0w8RLIKWTB86czbGSYkWNVoIoF RLHzlu8mYf+xcuf+PUaJ =geSi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there: I reverted the changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30763506 Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 19:38, Pierre Béland wrote: Rafael, could you take care of this? I think that these should be reverted before anybody start to edit and complicate the matter. Please, do not import such data before discussing with the community. The humanitarians, including doctors, are using OSMand to orient themselves. This data will create more harm then help. Pierre *De :* Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org; DWG d...@osmfoundation.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 3 mai 2015 18h53 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? Hi, Kretzer and DWG: I've just noticed this too. This import was done about 12 hours ago (08:54-May/03/2015) by user MeghaShrestha [1] in one changeset [2]. 4,664 nodes imported. Nodes locations are not only wrong (being most of them in the middle of nowhere), but also poorly tagged. No wiki has been produced, and no discussion with the Nepal OSM community nor the imports list. I've already sent an email to the user MeghaShrestha. If you are right with it, I will revert the changeset. Cheers, Rafael. [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MeghaShrestha [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30742446 On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRrZMAAoJEB3niTly2pPQPJoP/2hZOoOu303YG/i5fGDAzfxi 1FykPSpNRvmJPgGMZe2M6l5/fb6Uz89eHlHtFGtwvwXrCq4UYPwCeOrPFf3GNAFC LUt+gRQCC95UZcK617ur6M0ePv2tpSn0+zf5hkl7YVSaiQAxREgu8o3SAM0x7XTJ 4QExmC/+H0d8IluIEBeAHT/Zc9Nq9r76iECuRlJgK+Y2gjGiFNR+VUjMFARTs+f1 X5AzMIMDTHFlk6HeBOt3J3KJPOnypt4Id0rULfj6x0wLxkS0S46pcJATuReLtuLP zf6/MubIFo0eAKHWewEXccTuAlpfzVAxr9+YxKs/0GTdMM58YQZ4LalWq8vvcUOo jUt5JWbUhx9b8+IP3GzsUfiwziGKEEWBdKYRo8gmm89iDadM6UPAPnD8zLccRCtt tS5LBjR69lvt2QBeGhT5fNotzVhfFJs6qo2BCQNp3WVwdPCDFVomQZeuAHYDg7Sd 1FN58aXTjSpX3A1WV6SDRlbMwxWiFf2tRBClb2RnhOnf1CH0lEoWtP7RdASbHc/F 7nmltA8J8DZ01tyTXuiZqiyfhY1y7Atl/obr3EuR7O+kz2P5oToYN3PIY38fVhS3 klig7OiGMVYdAqnZdObEH7J5rlJNr79k5/f7B13tJe4H+uW3tZbDfYsn8mC0tMFQ V210j1rLJljm50dMkoEk =vPX6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Buildings outlines-multiple
I received two messages from mueschel tasks 1421 1429 regarding mapping over the top of already marked buildings. They weren't marked on the map i was using. How can i check if it doesn't show up? Is there a step I'm missing? Thank you for your help Jane Sent from my iPhone ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
1. Should I delete the single node tag for a house when I trace a building? JOSM warns of object within object... I left the original tags. 2. I believe it was #518, how do I go back to the same task again? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
Hi - 2015-05-03 22:03 GMT+01:00 Phil Allford pallf...@gmail.com: 1. Should I delete the single node tag for a house when I trace a building? JOSM warns of object within object... I left the original tags. Yes, delete it - it's important not to lose any extra tags that might be there, so make sure of that (but in many cases it's just building=yes or whatever). Advanced JOSM users like to merge the old node into one of the new building's nodes, moving the tags from node to way, so that the object's history is connected. Don't feel obliged to do that if it's tricksy. 2. I believe it was #518, how do I go back to the same task again? When you go to a specific square the URL changes to reflect the exact location. Therefore, you can use your browser's history to go back to the exact square. Best Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Tents, tin roofs FYI
I am seeing a lot of photos from Tibetan monastic aid to remote areas. They are walking big bags of food and aid in. People have taken their tin roofs from collapased buildings and are setting up makeshift shelters, so I think we will see few tents. Tents are being purchased, but it looks to me like the monks and nuns are helping shore up these makeshift shelters into something more substantial with rocks and earth for the coming rainy season. You can see this work on Facebook by Liking monasteries in Nepal. Most are Kagyu if that helps with your search. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
I noticed one of these too in the region of Gorkha. Maybe someone has bulk uploaded hospital locations and some are incorrect or imprecise. I deleted one when doing #1024 as it was in the middle of nowhere... Maybe worth extracting and validating them as a one-off job. I seem to remember seeing an email thread about unverified hospital locations but can't find it now anyone else know? jon. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Weaving Threads Re: Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Find below attached thread I believe Jon was asking about. Hope this helps... though unfortunately conversation is from end-to-start, suggest reading forwarded messages bottom up. Best regards, KRose -- Forwarded message -- From: *Rafael Avila Coya* ravilac...@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, 28 April 2015 Subject: [HOT] WHO Healthcare Data To: hot@openstreetmap.org Hi, Jaakko: That's why we have now strict import guidelines ;) I've checked some random nodes, and they are surely not eligible for import (those I checked are over a mountain or farmlands), and it would take a week or more to actually start the import after discussing with the Nepal local community and the imports list. But this set might be useful to double check the place names, including the GNS (ongoing?) merging that Andrew talked about, adding alt_name's where the name already exists but is slightly different from the OSM one, or to add a place name to those other villages that lack a place node. And of course it can be very useful for those mapping on the ground that want to correctly geolocalize those health facilities, adding perhaps more info to each node. Cheers, Rafael. On 27/04/15 22:42, Jaakko Helleranta wrote: Yes, and yes to Pierre's notes on license and accuracy evaluation! This reminds me of where HOT started and the health facility import to OSM after the Haiti quake of 2010. That resulted in some good data but also some horrible crap in the database (having lived and mapped there for 3 years) that has wasted a huge amount of time later on (when trying to figure out how to fix it) and still clutters the Haiti map in some places in a rather ugly, by now a good amount outdated and also at times pretty significantly inaccurate way (+/- 2km not being uncommon). Best intentions and horrible outcomes do at times go hand in hand. That's not the end of things in itself -- but we need to learn from experience especially when it's been significantly sub-optimal. This said, locals / people with sound local knowledge need to evaluate accuracy. Cheers, -Jaakko -- Nicaragua mobile: +505-8131-0729, alt. mob/WhatsApp +505-8845-3391 Global (Google) Voice / SMS: +1-202-730-9778 * Skype: jhelleranta Twitter/IRC/Mumble: @jaakkoh * My profile: http://about.me/jaakkoh On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: arun Important to verify the opendata license. There are often restrictions and we cannot import unless a signed agreement. Also some evaluation has to be made about the quality of the data. Nama and Kathmandu Living Lab folks would be the best persons to answer that. Pierre *De :* Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com mailto:arun.plane...@gmail.com *À :* HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 13h58 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] WHO Healthcare Data Source: https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com mailto:arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: Just received shapefile data for location of healthcare facilities in Nepal. The source is apparently WHO, and i'm trying to find the source link, but thought i'll pass it on anyway. Data contains 8974 points with attributes of facility type (hospital, health post, health center and a few others), district name, village council name and code. Shapefiles: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r7gug1x6wt4hzde/WHO%20HEALTH%20CARE%20DATA.zip?dl=0 -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] One quick report from the HOT Summit
Hi Everyone, Sitting here in the airport waiting to get back home after the HOT Summit 2015 I had some time to reflect on the Summit and the one thing that I wanted to share with everyone as soon as possible in light of the Nepal activation is how much good will there is toward HOT and OSM in the larger humanitarian world. Our community and our work is very appreciated and OSM maps are the defacto base map for many major humanitarian and government organizations around the world for a variety of reasons. The work we and the larger OSM community do is making a difference in events like this. We received feedback on things we can improve and a major, complicated event like Nepal continues to teach us lessons for the future. But over all, the general attitude was that HOT and OSM are doing world changing work and none of it would be possible without you. I just wanted to pass that along and I wish you could have all been there to hear it too. Thank you all for making such a difference! Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Hi I'm new to HOT and I'm using the iD editor. I'm looking at an area that has shapes which do not align with the Bing imagery. Should I use the fix alignment tool before I add additional data or just add the features as they appear with the current alignment? Thanks Joshua ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Kretzer and DWG: I've just noticed this too. This import was done about 12 hours ago (08:54-May/03/2015) by user MeghaShrestha [1] in one changeset [2]. 4,664 nodes imported. Nodes locations are not only wrong (being most of them in the middle of nowhere), but also poorly tagged. No wiki has been produced, and no discussion with the Nepal OSM community nor the imports list. I've already sent an email to the user MeghaShrestha. If you are right with it, I will revert the changeset. Cheers, Rafael. [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MeghaShrestha [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30742446 On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRqbWAAoJEB3niTly2pPQAgMQAIi0InnZa8PwsM1QWNCt0YnR kN3yaKn+AraCSeaBQ2ELHUoUqGWPLLfNToeFI8wmG1ZCBC6uYlvqrjFXjZFeL/7G No6+7VZhcu8aVuRVwwkUsx72PWUR7bJtQOSibII2TmnfDqdMC6F2Y/tVAt/AG5og dKQoAlQyl96z/lhsWPWaiSTRq9ytVY5g8U3UgRXpvybpMKDuEEgP2eYNYCUlNqAj sZheiZBUxaFEYS4i6+V751xMSkp+NfNC/KLD7ptbeC0z9aDijmRwdDFqQX3AfYY+ L5VTPdWqLD2UOcGyLM2a8tQXFF3jUgAatH07nKSYALTvrY2nK16vx+q5YxP2bZwB yrdVCuOyBcr6Esy7gY8XZDg/AKfJoOJD+6/gnDOFP64VyON0RyiJB+WO/SRtlk8y T60kT4z+/pMK1PGgOZsRxngbVLiy7y7L6IakL8r0o7sNYBFlvqKPWwupioHfAJTr yzsGy4GTU5ZmWfsf/jL+4OyNoMITpVhCYDeF7E0OQVYFDVpuN7YN/CjdHQgRVliG 7qnwpqSEB6+Qs4k1xtYB25Rssewi/r1XyxUWjvB2OZe6VJIsTIrP0Z1w4vTABm91 ZighajhbHhHDXZ1m/a1WqLxAZoosKRIXf2B3mYRc3UpPVIC30VlH2WwEzo8zZq0u KzrBqAt+KgouhJxavHsd =QJVq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Hi Joshua, if you do the fix alignment, you actually move the image, not the data. As far as I know usually Bing is used as the reference imagery, so I would not adjust that. If the other shapes are not aligned, the other people have probably used different imagery and not adjusted that. Probably there are only some shapes in the wrong place, not all? Then you can adjust those manually or ignore them and ad your features with the default alignment. Experts jump in please, if I am wrong here. Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015 um 23:45 Uhr Von: Joshua Kennedy shu...@clovermail.net An: hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery Hi I'm new to HOT and I'm using the iD editor. I'm looking at an area that has shapes which do not align with the Bing imagery. Should I use the fix alignment tool before I add additional data or just add the features as they appear with the current alignment? Thanks Joshua ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Revisiting task tiles marked done.
Hi Pat, you can just Review the Work button and map away and then unlock it when done. You might leave a comment on the task that says you revised it with whatever imagery you used. Thank you for helping map! Cheers, Blake On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: What's the proper way to peek into, and maybe update, a task tile that is marked done? Folks who found only low res imagery for a tile were instructed to note that and mark it done. I've been using DG imagery for task #1018 in the Borang area, and would like to look at the adjacent tiles where that imagery might be useful. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] One quick report from the HOT Summit
Merci Blake, en attendant tes conclusions sur le sommet, je suis sûr que durant tout le sommet tu avais vraiment une pensée pour toutes ces personnes qui ont donné leur temps pour contribuer aux différentes tâches. Merci à toi de faire d'une priorité, la question des communautés locales comme tu l'as dit lors de la campagne. Je suis content que tu continue à mettre cette question dans tes priorités. Mes sincères remerciements. Merci, (excuser toutes erreurs car mon anglais n'est pas parfait) *FOFANA* 2015-05-03 21:41 GMT+00:00 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com: Hi Everyone, Sitting here in the airport waiting to get back home after the HOT Summit 2015 I had some time to reflect on the Summit and the one thing that I wanted to share with everyone as soon as possible in light of the Nepal activation is how much good will there is toward HOT and OSM in the larger humanitarian world. Our community and our work is very appreciated and OSM maps are the defacto base map for many major humanitarian and government organizations around the world for a variety of reasons. The work we and the larger OSM community do is making a difference in events like this. We received feedback on things we can improve and a major, complicated event like Nepal continues to teach us lessons for the future. But over all, the general attitude was that HOT and OSM are doing world changing work and none of it would be possible without you. I just wanted to pass that along and I wish you could have all been there to hear it too. Thank you all for making such a difference! Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Fofana B. Bazo, Géographe, contributeur OpenStreetMap, Membre fondateur de la Communauté OSM_BF ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, Pierre. I will revert the data, as some people are deleting some hospital nodes already. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 19:38, Pierre Béland wrote: Rafael, could you take care of this? I think that these should be reverted before anybody start to edit and complicate the matter. Please, do not import such data before discussing with the community. The humanitarians, including doctors, are using OSMand to orient themselves. This data will create more harm then help. Pierre *De :* Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org; DWG d...@osmfoundation.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 3 mai 2015 18h53 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? Hi, Kretzer and DWG: I've just noticed this too. This import was done about 12 hours ago (08:54-May/03/2015) by user MeghaShrestha [1] in one changeset [2]. 4,664 nodes imported. Nodes locations are not only wrong (being most of them in the middle of nowhere), but also poorly tagged. No wiki has been produced, and no discussion with the Nepal OSM community nor the imports list. I've already sent an email to the user MeghaShrestha. If you are right with it, I will revert the changeset. Cheers, Rafael. [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MeghaShrestha [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30742446 On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRrP1AAoJEB3niTly2pPQv4gP/03gY/P2ewqUoQJZpZf457dK wh226swJEpZ1f3gA121X+2aaxwj64JCeIJ5QKlj+1rV3nxwIjMTvMFYej1hA+qlp kOyPf0U+Xge7SqKukhwmHoOoL+Mv2uHTth5jvcKNPRDt40g/okRWg4XCmg7fvJuc 0OXjJGHDg/aTDbIASmcxP5UshNlFlJDnPrriqRsmKetCWDThh+D1IfWlF7Q+L6LM CGjOdbusyIWmxipZBOrsTJpZYiLl6MQHizVK1HR2+1xJJyipiZGCq8Ggp3D3LyJZ H41x/u6+LW9CWqNvD2QiBjufVTqKtS+WYqNfX8xB2/NU9cDeFKQ2sq05HavURC3m X/2NlyDigyLJsDcT3w68dSsw1Rlxk4CqA2dM00N+uoUQneven0dipeJUU0JombWx 2/Ey8BYYY3YOB8TdthrLIXBuLgTCRyKlxeB5UsDgK11ObkqnxoBShf/cgIF9/73G QzaUt0quiB8MqvMQXapG5Pf4QCij+ga/kPhSALBlCTdhFGMrEJ4X8ijysXOk9/GZ rzpYc/G6gUwZQBWglID3D0yRi8pvicYcQi6DuzJUw51NuOGCoxoi68PTaqH33G+d Ya8uB2RYBOI5YtRJ0Q09m/EYTZhFAxx3XlwcmXY5qG2pDz9Pie7+iQtZpmMrW4d4 3Ml7FSfWFQS4vhikPNJk =6A9s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
On Sunday, May 3, 2015, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - 2015-05-03 22:03 GMT+01:00 Phil Allford pallf...@gmail.com javascript:; : 1. Should I delete the single node tag for a house when I trace a building? JOSM warns of object within object... I left the original tags. Yes, delete it - it's important not to lose any extra tags that might be there, so make sure of that (but in many cases it's just building=yes or whatever). Advanced JOSM users like to merge the old node into one of the new building's nodes, moving the tags from node to way, so that the object's history is connected. Don't feel obliged to do that if it's tricksy. Probably most new users aren't using Potlatch, but for anyone that is, you can convert from node to area and keep all tags by selecting the node, then shift-clicking where you want another corner to be. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Revisiting task tiles marked done.
Thanks Blake, I appreciate the answer as well. Nathan P email: natf...@gmail.com On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pat, you can just Review the Work button and map away and then unlock it when done. You might leave a comment on the task that says you revised it with whatever imagery you used. Thank you for helping map! Cheers, Blake On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: What's the proper way to peek into, and maybe update, a task tile that is marked done? Folks who found only low res imagery for a tile were instructed to note that and mark it done. I've been using DG imagery for task #1018 in the Borang area, and would like to look at the adjacent tiles where that imagery might be useful. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Rafael, could you take care of this? I think that these should be reverted before anybody start to edit and complicate the matter. Please, do not import such data before discussing with the community. The humanitarians, including doctors, are using OSMand to orient themselves. This data will create more harm then help. Pierre De : Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org; DWG d...@osmfoundation.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 18h53 Objet : Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Kretzer and DWG: I've just noticed this too. This import was done about 12 hours ago (08:54-May/03/2015) by user MeghaShrestha [1] in one changeset [2]. 4,664 nodes imported. Nodes locations are not only wrong (being most of them in the middle of nowhere), but also poorly tagged. No wiki has been produced, and no discussion with the Nepal OSM community nor the imports list. I've already sent an email to the user MeghaShrestha. If you are right with it, I will revert the changeset. Cheers, Rafael. [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MeghaShrestha [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30742446 On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRqbWAAoJEB3niTly2pPQAgMQAIi0InnZa8PwsM1QWNCt0YnR kN3yaKn+AraCSeaBQ2ELHUoUqGWPLLfNToeFI8wmG1ZCBC6uYlvqrjFXjZFeL/7G No6+7VZhcu8aVuRVwwkUsx72PWUR7bJtQOSibII2TmnfDqdMC6F2Y/tVAt/AG5og dKQoAlQyl96z/lhsWPWaiSTRq9ytVY5g8U3UgRXpvybpMKDuEEgP2eYNYCUlNqAj sZheiZBUxaFEYS4i6+V751xMSkp+NfNC/KLD7ptbeC0z9aDijmRwdDFqQX3AfYY+ L5VTPdWqLD2UOcGyLM2a8tQXFF3jUgAatH07nKSYALTvrY2nK16vx+q5YxP2bZwB yrdVCuOyBcr6Esy7gY8XZDg/AKfJoOJD+6/gnDOFP64VyON0RyiJB+WO/SRtlk8y T60kT4z+/pMK1PGgOZsRxngbVLiy7y7L6IakL8r0o7sNYBFlvqKPWwupioHfAJTr yzsGy4GTU5ZmWfsf/jL+4OyNoMITpVhCYDeF7E0OQVYFDVpuN7YN/CjdHQgRVliG 7qnwpqSEB6+Qs4k1xtYB25Rssewi/r1XyxUWjvB2OZe6VJIsTIrP0Z1w4vTABm91 ZighajhbHhHDXZ1m/a1WqLxAZoosKRIXf2B3mYRc3UpPVIC30VlH2WwEzo8zZq0u KzrBqAt+KgouhJxavHsd =QJVq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Thanks Rafael, quite an activation. everything going fast, and with all the new contributors, we need the community to take care, to assure that we deliver as usual quality data to the humanitarians. We have to re-invent ourselves at each activation, develop both our tools, techniques and social organization of this. regard Pierre De : Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org; DWG d...@osmfoundation.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 19h49 Objet : Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, Pierre. I will revert the data, as some people are deleting some hospital nodes already. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 19:38, Pierre Béland wrote: Rafael, could you take care of this? I think that these should be reverted before anybody start to edit and complicate the matter. Please, do not import such data before discussing with the community. The humanitarians, including doctors, are using OSMand to orient themselves. This data will create more harm then help. Pierre *De :* Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org; DWG d...@osmfoundation.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 3 mai 2015 18h53 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? Hi, Kretzer and DWG: I've just noticed this too. This import was done about 12 hours ago (08:54-May/03/2015) by user MeghaShrestha [1] in one changeset [2]. 4,664 nodes imported. Nodes locations are not only wrong (being most of them in the middle of nowhere), but also poorly tagged. No wiki has been produced, and no discussion with the Nepal OSM community nor the imports list. I've already sent an email to the user MeghaShrestha. If you are right with it, I will revert the changeset. Cheers, Rafael. [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MeghaShrestha [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30742446 On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRrP1AAoJEB3niTly2pPQv4gP/03gY/P2ewqUoQJZpZf457dK wh226swJEpZ1f3gA121X+2aaxwj64JCeIJ5QKlj+1rV3nxwIjMTvMFYej1hA+qlp kOyPf0U+Xge7SqKukhwmHoOoL+Mv2uHTth5jvcKNPRDt40g/okRWg4XCmg7fvJuc 0OXjJGHDg/aTDbIASmcxP5UshNlFlJDnPrriqRsmKetCWDThh+D1IfWlF7Q+L6LM CGjOdbusyIWmxipZBOrsTJpZYiLl6MQHizVK1HR2+1xJJyipiZGCq8Ggp3D3LyJZ H41x/u6+LW9CWqNvD2QiBjufVTqKtS+WYqNfX8xB2/NU9cDeFKQ2sq05HavURC3m X/2NlyDigyLJsDcT3w68dSsw1Rlxk4CqA2dM00N+uoUQneven0dipeJUU0JombWx 2/Ey8BYYY3YOB8TdthrLIXBuLgTCRyKlxeB5UsDgK11ObkqnxoBShf/cgIF9/73G QzaUt0quiB8MqvMQXapG5Pf4QCij+ga/kPhSALBlCTdhFGMrEJ4X8ijysXOk9/GZ rzpYc/G6gUwZQBWglID3D0yRi8pvicYcQi6DuzJUw51NuOGCoxoi68PTaqH33G+d Ya8uB2RYBOI5YtRJ0Q09m/EYTZhFAxx3XlwcmXY5qG2pDz9Pie7+iQtZpmMrW4d4 3Ml7FSfWFQS4vhikPNJk =6A9s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
Hi John, I browsed this image before sending the email. It looks of high quality since there was a clear sky in the last few days. Just going back to analyze it, I had a red screen in JOSM. It seems that the connection to the DigitalGlobe have been cut since then. I reported this on our coordination room. Let's hope the problem will be fixed rapidly. I tried to obtain the wms layes in JOSM without any success. Pierre De : john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Cc : HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 20h57 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers Probably sounds daft but do you have a sample of what to look for? Thanks John On 3 May 2015 at 20:50, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We are glad to announce that the imagery provider where able to provide us today imagery for east of Kathmandu.We added this new task to assess the house conditions and informal camps after the earthbreak. tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030 Note that this job is urgent after 9 days without an assessments of these villages. Thanks for your support. Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
Thanks Pierre and all other mappers. Yes, this is urgent. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We are glad to announce that the imagery provider where able to provide us today imagery for east of Kathmandu. We added this new task to assess the house conditions and informal camps after the earthbreak. tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030 Note that this job is urgent after 9 days without an assessments of these villages. Thanks for your support. Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D. Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org http://www.kathmandulivinglabs.org)* Cell: 977-9803571739 Office: 977-6205000 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] What constitutes an experienced mapper?
How much does prior experience count toward being an experienced mapper for HOT work? I have one week of experience with OSM/JOSM, working on basic Nepal tasks, plus much prior GIS experience. I would be glad to contribute to experienced mapper tasks, as needed, if there's a protocol (informal?) for recognizing prior experience. I have 12 years of GIS experience, including as a U.S. state GIS Database Administrator, application developer, and GIS-based master's thesis. I have spent 5 wonderful months in Nepal, mostly trekking. However, I'm still learning HOT processes, how decisions are made, validation processes tools, how data are used in the field, etc. I would be sure to ask for help rather than plow ahead when uncertain. Sorry to interrupt more pressing business, but glad to contribute at a higher level as needed. Steve ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it incompatible with the OSM license. I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make good use of these data set, if any. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRuZQAAoJEB3niTly2pPQ3zAQAKnkauRcpus+Lg3yoDSBNPlH +5uQeyglGfwYs2qCg8fW5adPZdedPqtUq5zD3jlm5OmDWbsPgjv7a7OnJLrJGbgf ZjwiFolGZUy3m/waVPyfMII93/wG2++C1u+ZWqjIrh9uMOPcQ2TWGsonJhx1mr/m ypeaS0SNS/wY4s5Z9V2e/w9zBWdGyGdKGwcuF19u/jm8aQVN3X8GgL3CUsa87Xuj VWXVfK5FvMgrwUxmTXmfRaZ3Ut7+qc4kry0xzP2iDo0QX3NPIRQIGNrZncmuhyPL yDdVHvyolDid5buUY7lH7AZSxyfEFtA+YVorgHV/HBhakx1v87zJ5zVIa+DpG1HT bLpeZoqx63g9eg+CEA/VPXzjg+OKqvUn41ZxJXNbSbte/Cr+2YTDgJgIMeUOr/55 srAx5kiGuJydsm+Qs2tXEbgznyfy0n5DLQmtxJnTKgiSEunl7xT7CKDedmFHVSQ3 VEbS/sEVofYGMItdOhpFfActs6XeYHUd31A+Z0zJBoT04vsYA5ddElIdQGqPqAQw OlWtRxljiUNfK0OCg/zxRh4ML3ZiFlYZRbyyajFEnC/DLhMzygl9Vg4iJ7k8kZCN 0kFKGm/YLicYgGahCv2D0JA37BF14QowfX1yA53U7BClV8JFWzVBNgK2Pb8/FV1e OIFNEbCLIjoyMV4K+0sX =RZb8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it incompatible with the OSM license. I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make good use of these data set, if any. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list
[HOT] Post Earthquake imagery
Hi all I am new to HOTOSM but I have a background in GIS and Remote Sensing and have done some mapping for #1018 but have also looked at #1024 post earthquake mapping.The imagery being used for this from DG is dated 29/04/15 - it is quite incomplete and pretty cloudy. I see on the DG website that they have released some other imagery too e.g. from 01/05/15 - is it possible to get a URL for this too, to maybe help fill in the cloudy/missing areas? Also, the imagery at that URL is really dark with very poor contrast. Is it possible to get some contrast stretching done on it to make it more useable? I presume HOT have downloaded the data and are hosting it so it should be possible to for someone to tweak it? I would be more than happy to help out with this kind of stuff, having worked processing satellite imagery for a living (although I don't have access to the range of software that I used to have). ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Hi, I am new the HOT OSM as well, and am also finding line work not aligned to imagery. An example might be a line that has been delineated generally following the road but plotted either side of the pixels representing the road. In such a case, I would initially presume that the scale at which the user delineated the road was too small. This begs the question, is there a standard scale at which we need to interpret the imagery? Is there official documentation or a blog on guidelines on this subject? Graham On 04/05/15 07:26, Kretzer wrote: Hi Joshua, if you do the fix alignment, you actually move the image, not the data. As far as I know usually Bing is used as the reference imagery, so I would not adjust that. If the other shapes are not aligned, the other people have probably used different imagery and not adjusted that. Probably there are only some shapes in the wrong place, not all? Then you can adjust those manually or ignore them and ad your features with the default alignment. Experts jump in please, if I am wrong here. Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015 um 23:45 Uhr Von: Joshua Kennedy shu...@clovermail.net An: hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery Hi I'm new to HOT and I'm using the iD editor. I'm looking at an area that has shapes which do not align with the Bing imagery. Should I use the fix alignment tool before I add additional data or just add the features as they appear with the current alignment? Thanks Joshua ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] What's water?
;-) I'm seeing some rivers mapped in areas that didn't have high-res imagery, that (in the DG imagery) cross over dry land, or through areas were tree tops are visible against a dark background that could be either water or shadow -- it's a dark gray-purple. What I'm interpreting as the actual river channel is more turquoise and has (what look like) white rapids. The imagery has no clouds, and land looks fairly dry, so this imagery may, perhaps, be dry season. Note the previously mapped rivers in this area are very rough -- points are far apart -- which implies they were mapped from low-res imagery. Some questions: Is there a large change in water volume in rivers during the dry season? I'm wondering if water recedes to the deepest channel, and does show more whitewater then. Do trees grow in standing water (deep enough to appear dark) in Nepal? That's not unheard of -- it's true in the Everglades in Florida. Or is an area with treetops and dark between more likely dry but shadowed? Thanks! -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] What's water?
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: ;-) I'm seeing some rivers mapped in areas that didn't have high-res imagery, that (in the DG imagery) cross over dry land, or through areas were tree tops are visible against a dark background that could be either water or shadow -- it's a dark gray-purple. What I'm interpreting as the actual river channel is more turquoise and has (what look like) white rapids. The imagery has no clouds, and land looks fairly dry, so this imagery may, perhaps, be dry season. Note the previously mapped rivers in this area are very rough -- points are far apart -- which implies they were mapped from low-res imagery. Some questions: Is there a large change in water volume in rivers during the dry season? I'm wondering if water recedes to the deepest channel, and does show more whitewater then. Yes, changes in water volumes between wet and dry season can be immense in Nepal. Some stream beds may also go dry in the dry season. I would guess that some mountain streams may behave as you suggested, but generally, my expectation would be for more whitewater in the wet season. Do trees grow in standing water (deep enough to appear dark) in Nepal? That's not unheard of -- it's true in the Everglades in Florida. Or is an area with treetops and dark between more likely dry but shadowed? Generally, most of the water in Nepal flows fast (we have lots of elevation changes), and there are very rarely trees growing in standing/moving water as in Florida. I don't understand your second question. Thanks! -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it incompatible with the OSM license. I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make good use of these data set, if any. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it incompatible with the OSM license. I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make good use of these data set, if any. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went
Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
Probably sounds daft but do you have a sample of what to look for? Thanks John On 3 May 2015 at 20:50, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We are glad to announce that the imagery provider where able to provide us today imagery for east of Kathmandu. We added this new task to assess the house conditions and informal camps after the earthbreak. tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030 Note that this job is urgent after 9 days without an assessments of these villages. Thanks for your support. Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it incompatible with the OSM license. I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make good use of these data set, if any. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes tagged as Hospital with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is nothing nearby. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because hospitals are important! By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a task now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole project? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRuZQAAoJEB3niTly2pPQ3zAQAKnkauRcpus+Lg3yoDSBNPlH +5uQeyglGfwYs2qCg8fW5adPZdedPqtUq5zD3jlm5OmDWbsPgjv7a7OnJLrJGbgf ZjwiFolGZUy3m/waVPyfMII93/wG2++C1u+ZWqjIrh9uMOPcQ2TWGsonJhx1mr/m ypeaS0SNS/wY4s5Z9V2e/w9zBWdGyGdKGwcuF19u/jm8aQVN3X8GgL3CUsa87Xuj VWXVfK5FvMgrwUxmTXmfRaZ3Ut7+qc4kry0xzP2iDo0QX3NPIRQIGNrZncmuhyPL yDdVHvyolDid5buUY7lH7AZSxyfEFtA+YVorgHV/HBhakx1v87zJ5zVIa+DpG1HT bLpeZoqx63g9eg+CEA/VPXzjg+OKqvUn41ZxJXNbSbte/Cr+2YTDgJgIMeUOr/55 srAx5kiGuJydsm+Qs2tXEbgznyfy0n5DLQmtxJnTKgiSEunl7xT7CKDedmFHVSQ3 VEbS/sEVofYGMItdOhpFfActs6XeYHUd31A+Z0zJBoT04vsYA5ddElIdQGqPqAQw OlWtRxljiUNfK0OCg/zxRh4ML3ZiFlYZRbyyajFEnC/DLhMzygl9Vg4iJ7k8kZCN 0kFKGm/YLicYgGahCv2D0JA37BF14QowfX1yA53U7BClV8JFWzVBNgK2Pb8/FV1e OIFNEbCLIjoyMV4K+0sX =RZb8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] What's water?
I mapped dry streams. Can someone experienced check my work yesterday? I also saw waterways in areas where no water could run, as in forests or over land without any waterway. I also questioned some paths could be wsterways. Good to check Newbie work! Username: MingyurPema. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On May 3, 2015 9:01:14 PM Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: ;-) I'm seeing some rivers mapped in areas that didn't have high-res imagery, that (in the DG imagery) cross over dry land, or through areas were tree tops are visible against a dark background that could be either water or shadow -- it's a dark gray-purple. What I'm interpreting as the actual river channel is more turquoise and has (what look like) white rapids. The imagery has no clouds, and land looks fairly dry, so this imagery may, perhaps, be dry season. Note the previously mapped rivers in this area are very rough -- points are far apart -- which implies they were mapped from low-res imagery. Some questions: Is there a large change in water volume in rivers during the dry season? I'm wondering if water recedes to the deepest channel, and does show more whitewater then. Yes, changes in water volumes between wet and dry season can be immense in Nepal. Some stream beds may also go dry in the dry season. I would guess that some mountain streams may behave as you suggested, but generally, my expectation would be for more whitewater in the wet season. Do trees grow in standing water (deep enough to appear dark) in Nepal? That's not unheard of -- it's true in the Everglades in Florida. Or is an area with treetops and dark between more likely dry but shadowed? Generally, most of the water in Nepal flows fast (we have lots of elevation changes), and there are very rarely trees growing in standing/moving water as in Florida. I don't understand your second question. Thanks! -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp -- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Heather, 2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing facilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Thank you. Inquiry sent. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: Heather, 2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing facilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for that. We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations have been using locally, given that it is the best available dataset of health facility locations. Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of the license. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and she tells me: we are trying to create papers for the relief workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the map. The data I imported was from https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful and you can help us out. With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained
[HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
We are glad to announce that the imagery provider where able to provide us today imagery for east of Kathmandu.We added this new task to assess the house conditions and informal camps after the earthbreak. tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030 Note that this job is urgent after 9 days without an assessments of these villages. Thanks for your support. Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] One quick report from the HOT Summit
Thank you Blake, awaiting your conclusions on the top, I am sure that throughout the summit you really had a thought for all those people who gave their time to help with various tasks. Thank you to you to make a priority the issue of local communities as you said during the campaign. I'm glad you still put this in your priorities. My sincere thanks. Thank you, (excuse all mistakes because my English is not perfect) 2015-05-03 23:15 GMT+00:00 FOFANA BAZO BAGNOUMANA fofana.13b...@gmail.com: Merci Blake, en attendant tes conclusions sur le sommet, je suis sûr que durant tout le sommet tu avais vraiment une pensée pour toutes ces personnes qui ont donné leur temps pour contribuer aux différentes tâches. Merci à toi de faire d'une priorité, la question des communautés locales comme tu l'as dit lors de la campagne. Je suis content que tu continue à mettre cette question dans tes priorités. Mes sincères remerciements. Merci, (excuser toutes erreurs car mon anglais n'est pas parfait) *FOFANA* 2015-05-03 21:41 GMT+00:00 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com: Hi Everyone, Sitting here in the airport waiting to get back home after the HOT Summit 2015 I had some time to reflect on the Summit and the one thing that I wanted to share with everyone as soon as possible in light of the Nepal activation is how much good will there is toward HOT and OSM in the larger humanitarian world. Our community and our work is very appreciated and OSM maps are the defacto base map for many major humanitarian and government organizations around the world for a variety of reasons. The work we and the larger OSM community do is making a difference in events like this. We received feedback on things we can improve and a major, complicated event like Nepal continues to teach us lessons for the future. But over all, the general attitude was that HOT and OSM are doing world changing work and none of it would be possible without you. I just wanted to pass that along and I wish you could have all been there to hear it too. Thank you all for making such a difference! Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Fofana B. Bazo, Géographe, contributeur OpenStreetMap, Membre fondateur de la Communauté OSM_BF -- Fofana B. Bazo, Géographe, contributeur OpenStreetMap, Membre fondateur de la Communauté OSM_BF ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Buildings outlines-multiple
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager#Potlatch_2_-_Adding_Grid_Square A square I edited #1419 was also impacted by your duplicate building edits, Eleanor?. A shame to do all that work with no result! I noticed you used Potlatch-2 so perhaps the above link is the answer. I have not used Potlach but when I first started (with ID) I inadvertently made edits outside the square - but caught it before saving. At least in ID I found it easy to miss the boundary line when scrolling. In JOSM, the squares outside your area are greyed and you cannot miss them. Hope this helps. Tom On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:46 PM, jane N janeeleanorphotogra...@gmail.com wrote: I received two messages from mueschel tasks 1421 1429 regarding mapping over the top of already marked buildings. They weren't marked on the map i was using. How can i check if it doesn't show up? Is there a step I'm missing? Thank you for your help Jane Sent from my iPhone ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] What constitutes an experienced mapper?
Hi, Steve: I would say myself that an experienced mapper is someone who is sure s/he can do the task for which s/he is required to contribute. You can be experienced in manual importing, or in mapping commons outside villages for helicopter landing, etc. It depends. If you still feel in doubt, you can do one task and ask for other experienced mappers working in the same project to validate your data before proceeding further with more tasks. Hope I answered your question. Cheers, Rafael. On 03/05/15 22:52, Steve Bower wrote: How much does prior experience count toward being an experienced mapper for HOT work? I have one week of experience with OSM/JOSM, working on basic Nepal tasks, plus much prior GIS experience. I would be glad to contribute to experienced mapper tasks, as needed, if there's a protocol (informal?) for recognizing prior experience. I have 12 years of GIS experience, including as a U.S. state GIS Database Administrator, application developer, and GIS-based master's thesis. I have spent 5 wonderful months in Nepal, mostly trekking. However, I'm still learning HOT processes, how decisions are made, validation processes tools, how data are used in the field, etc. I would be sure to ask for help rather than plow ahead when uncertain. Sorry to interrupt more pressing business, but glad to contribute at a higher level as needed. Steve ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Imagery for #1023 task 4 in JOSM
Hi,
Am 03.05.2015 um 15:24 schrieb Bob Kerr:
I have done quite a lot of mapping before but not much for HOT. I
cannot see the
tms:http://hiu-maps.net/hot/1.0.0/borang-10feb2015-flipped/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
imagery in this task,I am using updated JOSM on updated JAVA 8
update 45 on mac.
I have successfully opened JOSM from the task manager and accepted
the licensing terms but I just get a blank box
The imagery does not cover all tasks for project #1023. I would guess
that only the northern half of the tasks is actually covered. I am
currently working on task #100 and the southern edge of the image runs
right through this task. Where the image is not avialable I am using
Mapbox and Bing instead.
If you enable the image and zoom out quite a bit you should see the image.
Michael (user Ohr)
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Re: [HOT] Imagery for #1023 task 4 in JOSM
Bob
when you copy the link in the preferences WMS/TMS, it is a bit tricky sinc
there are two different lines where you can enter the link. The best is to
enter it in the Verify the TMS link adding the prefix tms: in front.
Once completed, you should re-read what was registered. If you see tms:tms:...
there is a duplicate of the tms instruction. You can click to edit this field.
To complete, you need to click in an other field with the mouse, then click to
save.
hope this help
Pierre
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Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 9h24
Objet : [HOT] Imagery for #1023 task 4 in JOSM
Hi,
I have done quite a lot of mapping before but not much for HOT. I cannot see
the
tms:http://hiu-maps.net/hot/1.0.0/borang-10feb2015-flipped/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
imagery in this task,I am using updated JOSM on updated JAVA 8 update 45 on mac.
I have successfully opened JOSM from the task manager and accepted the
licensing terms but I just get a blank box
Any suggestions appreciated
Cheers
Bob
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Re: [HOT] Experienced mapper please verify: nonexistent stream on Task #1955, other mistakes
Regarding residential areas, it would be very helpful to understand how these residential area polygons will be used. For example: For digital and/or printed maps show residential areas at small scale and individual buildings at large scale Distinguish between areas of residential concentration (landuse=residential) and areas of scattered habitation Compute building density by residential area polygon, to estimate population density and target relief efforts etc. Knowing more about how data will be used would be useful for all contributors, and may encourage more contributions. A few examples (with images) provided with the task instructions would be very helpful - but I understand the time constraints. Thanks On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: In Nepal villages can be spread out over very large areas. In Nepal a village is often not a tight group of buildings. An area as large as a half a mile wide will all relate as a village. Small clusters of buildings can be one family, or a monastery, but people 500, even 1000 meters away are neighbors in that village. So what do we do with large areas of houses and buildings spread out over a 1000 ft area…in Nepal? On May 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Pierre Béland wrote: Dont forget that we work to locate people at risk after 8 days without any relief. People have lost everything under the houses ruins including food. It is important to report all the residential areas to assure to provide them relief. We should remove the instructions 20 or so. Did not notice. This is valuable if you trace all buildings under clusters of 20. Isolated areas, even under 20 houses should be reported too. regard Pierre De : Kretzer kret...@gmx.net À : Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com Cc : HOT@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Samedi 2 mai 2015 19h07 Objet : Re: [HOT] Experienced mapper please verify: nonexistent stream on Task #1955, other mistakes Hi again, I just noticed Emmor beat me to the answer ... I wanted to ad that it can be useful to look at the history of changes in a case like this. Sometime I do this to make sure if the other person possibly had more recent information (or local knowledge, as there was a lot of mapping activity in Nepal in the last years - in some areas I have seen many edits by users with Nepalese sounding names). You can find the history if you change to the map view and click on the History tab on the top. In this case there were several very new users contributing. As to the residential areas, I would draw the line around the larger clusters of buildings and leave the others outside. The instructions in this project specify that it should be around 20 or so buildings. Mappers' styles vary, personally I don't like the tiny residential areas. The important thing is that the buildings are there, so that rescuers can see were people are living. Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015 um 00:47 Uhr Von: Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com An: Kretzer kret...@gmx.net Betreff: Re: Aw: [HOT] Experienced mapper please verify: nonexistent stream on Task #1955, other mistakes Hi, I questioned the large areas, yet villages in Nepal are really spread out over big areas. I'm not sure what to do but to leave them for not and wait. Suzan Portland, Oregon USA On May 2, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi Susan, zooming out you can see that this is at the bottom of a quite large valley, so it is very likely that there is a stream, even if it isn't clearly visible. Maybe the person who drew it was using different imagery. I think it's not in the right place in the middle section (near the mapped path), but I would prolong it to the river in the east. it's not the most important feature at the moment, though. What disturbs me more in the tile are the huge residential areas - those boundaries should be close to the buildings. They are also overlapping in one place, and there is an area within an area in the western part. Both shouldn't happen. I'm just a semi-noob myself, but I am quite sure about these questions. Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015 um 00:02 Uhr Von: Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com An: HOT@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [HOT] Experienced mapper please verify: nonexistent stream on Task #1955, other mistakes Someone with advanced mapping experience, please review. There isn't a stream at the locations listed below. Seem to be lots of mistakes on this task. Might be new information, or? #1018 - Nepal Earthquake, 2015, detailed mapping 2nd pass Task #1955 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=20/28.08949/84.74058 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/28.0890/84.7460 PLEASE ADVISE ME ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS TASK. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org
Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
I have been mapping aeroway=helipad in the following way: 1. In JOSM, I draw a line 30m in diameter. 2. Then I use Create Circle and add aeroway=helipad 3. If it doesn't fit in the area where I drew the line, I use Copy and delete the circle. 4. I then move accross the map seeking potential spots. Once I see one, I press Paste to see if the 30m diameter circle fits. If it does, I leave it there or move it slightly to fit. If it doesn't, I delete the circle. 5. I repeat this process across the entire area of the task. 6. I close the task and in the comments I tell how many helipads I have drawn, how many are in the task and how many leisure=common squares are in there and I ask Please evaluate. I would strongly suggest the evaluators to check the tasks with autorities, checking with experienced pilots or commanders if the spot is a potential candidate. But this process is out of my hands. Good luck! 2015-05-03 15:25 GMT+02:00 Michael ohr...@gmail.com: Hi, I think we might need some clarification on how to map the helicopter landing sites (Projects #1023 and #1026). What I did is this: - for an official helipad I would create a circle and tag it with aeroway=helipad - but I have not come across one while mapping. - if it is a potential landing site I create a polygon with the actual shape of the site and tag it with leisure=common Recently I have seen other mappers doing thing a bit differently. I have seen leisure=common mapped as circles, even if the place is not really circular. This I where I am not sure what the right approach is. So I would appreciate feedback from others. On a side note: Looking for a sample helipad yesterday I also found a number of clear areas tagged with aeroway=helipad. To me this tag should only be used for marked official helipads. So the data might need some care at some point. Thanks, Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Imagery for #1023 task 4 in JOSM
Hi,
I have done quite a lot of mapping before but not much for HOT. I cannot see
the
tms:http://hiu-maps.net/hot/1.0.0/borang-10feb2015-flipped/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
imagery in this task,I am using updated JOSM on updated JAVA 8 update 45 on mac.
I have successfully opened JOSM from the task manager and accepted the
licensing terms but I just get a blank box
Any suggestions appreciated
Cheers
Bob
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Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code
Hi Tomaso, Yes that is true, there is no ‘indexing’ between neighbouring squares. The algorithm converts coordinates into the 3 word address which are unique but fixed. Yes locating a tent would return several addresses, but it is just like collecting a set of coordinates for each tent. The benefit being that you can now communicate that location in a human friendly and rapid way. You can collect the 3 word location for the front of the tent or the centroid (if the coordinates have already been collected you can use the batch conversion tool - http://developer.what3words.com/batch-conversion-tool/). Human beings make errors. The system is optimized to recognise and autocorrect both sharer and receiver mistakes. The what3words autocorrect system picks up errors in spelling, typing, speaking, and mishearing 3 word locations. The system has shuffled all of similar sounding 3 word locations as far away from each other as possible, so it can use your location to intelligently guess where you meant. A lot of the time when the similar sounding addresses are near enough to each other it can be very confusing and often results in huge delays whilst the user works out what has gone wrong and what the right address actually is. Krishma From: Tomaso Bertoli tomaso.bert...@gmail.com Date: 3 May 2015 10:44:51 CEST To: Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code Hello Mark I looked at what3words The idea is quite good but I'm not sure why there appears to be no indexing two cells addresses three meters apart differ in all the three words and the addressing is way too sensible ... locating a tent would return serveral addresses It would be easier if the three words in the sequence would provide increasing detail in the geographic location So the addresses of the tent would differ only in the last word of the sequence Is the something I misunderstood or neglected in the what3words concept? Tomaso Il 03/Mag/2015 00:14, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk ha scritto: Hi John, All, what3words is free at point of use and is human readable - the word component also is quite good at error checking. Postcodes and generic codes work if the people you want to use them have a cognition of addressing systems like postcodes or mailstops. My experience in rural Tanzania is that they don't have that experience. We've been integrating what3words so people will be able phone or text location. ID numbers on water points just washed away/eroded. what3words works even under partial degradation, then it can be error corrected unlike a postcode where every digit is relevant. Best, Mark Sent from my iPhone On 2 May 2015, at 23:52, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: what3words is nice but is commercial. I was hoping for some sort of open data prem code postcode idea. UK prem code is the house number so a prem code followed by the postcode is a unique address. Example 10pr82az is 10 weld road southport pr8 2az. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 17:42, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk wrote: Hi Claire, Have you had a look at what3words: http://what3words.com? It's three words and is multi lingual, quite a lot more usable than genetic codes. In Tanzania my team and I have been looking at using them (through pilots) for locating/identifying water points and will scale them across a few regions over the next year. Happy to chat more if you would like. Best, Mark On 2 May 2015, at 21:45, Claire Halleux claire.hall...@hotosm.org wrote: Ever heard of this? A G*solution for locating places accurately where addresses are not obvious: http://google-opensource.blogspot.be/2015/04/open-location-code-addresses-for.html Still, it doesn't seem to me more intuitive than coordinate systems. Ex: I am currently in 87C4VXW3+HG8. There are ways to shorten it, but I doubt that those would be applicable in places that would actually need this kind of tool. However, would you have any experience on this or other ways to share regarding using non standard geographic coordinates system for locating places? Claire Claire Halleux +243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team http://www.hotosm.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_DRC_Ebola_Response ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot Krishma Nayee what3words.com mob +447817783115 w3w index.home.raft Skype: krishmanayee ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
Hi, I think we might need some clarification on how to map the helicopter landing sites (Projects #1023 and #1026). What I did is this: - for an official helipad I would create a circle and tag it with aeroway=helipad - but I have not come across one while mapping. - if it is a potential landing site I create a polygon with the actual shape of the site and tag it with leisure=common Recently I have seen other mappers doing thing a bit differently. I have seen leisure=common mapped as circles, even if the place is not really circular. This I where I am not sure what the right approach is. So I would appreciate feedback from others. On a side note: Looking for a sample helipad yesterday I also found a number of clear areas tagged with aeroway=helipad. To me this tag should only be used for marked official helipads. So the data might need some care at some point. Thanks, Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Nepal Earthbrek Response After the first week
Hi all, Looking back at this first week, the various imagery provides and the OSM contributors have made made a tremendous effort. We have been able to cover the priority zones affected by the earthbreake, to add routes, residential areas. We are updating place names and look to facilitate heliocopters landing. Did not have time to look closely at statistics. We talk of some three or four thousand contributors. I estimate the edits to be more then 6 millions for the first week (stat to validate when more time). But after 8 days, people in remote villages are still isolated. There are landslides, road blockages. Also many remote villages like the famous trek routes are only accessible by foot. We coordinate, work closely with UN agencies, satellite imagery companies, humanitarian organizations. For the first time we see the imagery actors coordinating with the humnanitarian community, this including UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe, HIU, Google. Imagery Pre-disaster imagery has let us provide some useful operational infos such as residential areas and potential helicopters landing. Post-disaster imagery availability is a problem with the monsoon coming soon. DigitalGlobe, Airbus DS and Skybox imagery prepared, tiled, and hosted by the Google Crisis Response team, and shown on Google CrisisMap is allowed to be traced in OSM. As you can see, as of today the images available have large zones covered by clouds. With the monsoon season, we should not expect the situation coming better to this regard. After 8 days, there is still no post-disaster imagery for most of the areas. In this context, we will look if there are other options to get imagery. Validation / Learning material With all the new contributors, task validation / traininig material are quite important. We started to look at global validations to detect and correct various problems. It is important that both geometry and the various tags in the database be reliable to support the humanitarians working in this quite challenging context. Routing With the monsoon and the landslides, I think that this will be essential to work a system to assess road condition. We cannot plan using imagery for this. We need to rely on infos coming from people travelling, to interface with various organizations to better collect this information. Support in Kathmandu - Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) The presence of the OSM community in Nepal has assured that we start this Response with a structured map. Over the last year OSM-Nepal did a great job and added various infos such as the administratve limits. There are also good Infrastructure databases (hospitals, etc). This greatly help to interface with the Nepal government and the various agencies. We should assure that KLL be supported adequately to respond quickly. Thanks you KLL for your effort in such a difficult context. Support Groups There are many priorities to manage at the same time, and we need to move quickly to support the vulnerable populations in various areas. We receive a lot of calls for support / collaboration from humanitarians in the field. To be efficient, we need that various groups take responsabilities such as Validation, Routin, Training, Follow-up of contributors and simply report at the end of the day. The Lead coordinators, we cannot follow everything in detail. I invite again the HOT membership and experimented collaborators to communicate with the activation.at.hotosm.org and propose to participate Thanks all for your support. Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] What tags are currently used in HOT? (Was: NEPAL/Taginfo instance)
Hi, 2015-04-29 17:12 GMT+02:00 Imre Samu pella.s...@gmail.com wrote: My only knowledge in HOT tagging, that: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 and #1010 use this tags: idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp damage:event=nepal_earthquake_2015 As mentioned in my thread before (Tags/Presets and tiled map servers used in HOT?) I'm still looking for tag definitions currently used in HOT. Looking at the ground truth, i.e. the taginfo instance of Nepal http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys mentions in top 18 used keys the following keys: Keys building:structure, building:overhang, building:adjacency, building:soft_storey = None have a wiki entry. But seem to be mentioned here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Indonesia Keys shape:elevation, shape:plan = No wiki entry: What does these mean? Key idp:camp_site = Mentioned in official Humanitarian_OSM_Tags wiki page: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model but which is supposedly outdated? Yours, S. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks
In that situation, I'd say it is a good idea to map any long footpaths, where there are no wide roads. I think the idea was to encourage people to only map major roads, where they exist, for the sake of speed and efficiency. So, people aren't wasting time mapping every short footpath. In an ideal world all paths would be mapped anyhow. The bottom line is to use your best judgement. On 3 May 2015 at 12:05, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: The instructions for (e.g.) task #1018 say to map only paths that connect to major road networks. I'm mapping in the Borang area from Digital Globe imagery (not the imagery listed for this task -- there is no Bing imagery here and the MapBox imagery is low-resolution). There *are* no roads, let alone road networks, in this area. If we don't map foot paths that don't connect to road networks, there won't be any travel routes marked at all. Prior mappers in this are have started to map paths (including some well-known paths, such as the Ganesh Himal trek). Note these areas also do not appear to have good helicopter or small plane landing sites -- they are terraced and steep. So...can the restriction be relaxed in these remote areas that do not have roads? If the restriction is relaxed, what should the criterion be? Also, regarding paths: In some places, paths that are well-defined for part of their length will disappear under trees, or will be hard to distinguish when they run along a terrace, or split into multiple less-distinct paths. I'm wondering if there are other sources of information about paths to and between remote villages. Perhaps trek guide companies? Old maps that could be rectified using Mapwarper? Anyone familiar with those areas who could have a look at the imagery, and advise on where an indistinct path most likely runs? -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Dan Marsh http://www.dm-photographics.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks
I added this note because sometimes people trace spaguetti of paths in the fields, sometimes 50-100 meters. But yes, in remote areas in Nepal, the trails are very important. This is the only way to travel. All the treks routes in these areas are simply moving from one village to the other as the local people are doing. Pierre De : Dan Marsh danrok.g...@gmail.com À : Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net Cc : hot hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 7h54 Objet : Re: [HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks In that situation, I'd say it is a good idea to map any long footpaths, where there are no wide roads. I think the idea was to encourage people to only map major roads, where they exist, for the sake of speed and efficiency. So, people aren't wasting time mapping every short footpath. In an ideal world all paths would be mapped anyhow. The bottom line is to use your best judgement. On 3 May 2015 at 12:05, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: The instructions for (e.g.) task #1018 say to map only paths that connect to major road networks. I'm mapping in the Borang area from Digital Globe imagery (not the imagery listed for this task -- there is no Bing imagery here and the MapBox imagery is low-resolution). There *are* no roads, let alone road networks, in this area. If we don't map foot paths that don't connect to road networks, there won't be any travel routes marked at all. Prior mappers in this are have started to map paths (including some well-known paths, such as the Ganesh Himal trek). Note these areas also do not appear to have good helicopter or small plane landing sites -- they are terraced and steep. So...can the restriction be relaxed in these remote areas that do not have roads? If the restriction is relaxed, what should the criterion be? Also, regarding paths: In some places, paths that are well-defined for part of their length will disappear under trees, or will be hard to distinguish when they run along a terrace, or split into multiple less-distinct paths. I'm wondering if there are other sources of information about paths to and between remote villages. Perhaps trek guide companies? Old maps that could be rectified using Mapwarper? Anyone familiar with those areas who could have a look at the imagery, and advise on where an indistinct path most likely runs? -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Dan Marsh http://www.dm-photographics.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
Hi Michael, I do this: as instructions say, circular aeroway=helipads only if found the circular mark on ground with the H. For the other possible landing areas as said in instructions, in hilly areas I try to find the higher and larger, clear but not too far from village. Also with some support of helicopters websites as quoted, Helicopters like Chinook may need wider area, but smaller helipoters can land on smaller areas. It depends on conditions that we can't decide from satellite. What we can do is to mark the best area as instructilons say, but specialists and pilots will choose. Close to major river beds it may be easier to find, since there it can be flat farmland areas (possibly rice). I try to mark the shape for these alternative areas: if it was previously marked as farmland, I add a new poligon (not sharing nodes) for leisure=common (if these areas will be searched by querry for common, it's easier to find). I try to draw the shape of what I can see clean, avoiding visible objects (rocks, scrub, trees, walls). For example if it's a strip of 30x100m, i'd rather draw this way, because it's better to indicate possible aproaching direction. Recently I prefer to mark some 2 of these areas in some villages, when it's possible, because anyway, this don't mean pilots must land there, but they can choose on visual contact. Regards, Sérgio (user:SergioAJV)___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Revisiting task tiles marked done.
What's the proper way to peek into, and maybe update, a task tile that is marked done? Folks who found only low res imagery for a tile were instructed to note that and mark it done. I've been using DG imagery for task #1018 in the Borang area, and would like to look at the adjacent tiles where that imagery might be useful. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks
The instructions for (e.g.) task #1018 say to map only paths that connect to major road networks. I'm mapping in the Borang area from Digital Globe imagery (not the imagery listed for this task -- there is no Bing imagery here and the MapBox imagery is low-resolution). There *are* no roads, let alone road networks, in this area. If we don't map foot paths that don't connect to road networks, there won't be any travel routes marked at all. Prior mappers in this are have started to map paths (including some well-known paths, such as the Ganesh Himal trek). Note these areas also do not appear to have good helicopter or small plane landing sites -- they are terraced and steep. So...can the restriction be relaxed in these remote areas that do not have roads? If the restriction is relaxed, what should the criterion be? Also, regarding paths: In some places, paths that are well-defined for part of their length will disappear under trees, or will be hard to distinguish when they run along a terrace, or split into multiple less-distinct paths. I'm wondering if there are other sources of information about paths to and between remote villages. Perhaps trek guide companies? Old maps that could be rectified using Mapwarper? Anyone familiar with those areas who could have a look at the imagery, and advise on where an indistinct path most likely runs? -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
Hi Milo and Sérgio, thank you both very much for your feedback. I think you gave perfect examples of the two different approaches that I came across: Am 03.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb S Volk: For the other possible landing areas as said in instructions, in hilly areas I try to find the higher and larger, clear but not too far from village. Also with some support of helicopters websites as quoted, Helicopters like Chinook may need wider area, but smaller helipoters can land on smaller areas. It depends on conditions that we can't decide from satellite. Am 03.05.2015 um 17:10 schrieb Milo van der Linden: I have been mapping aeroway=helipad in the following way: 1. In JOSM, I draw a line 30m in diameter. 2. Then I use Create Circle and add aeroway=helipad 3. If it doesn't fit in the area where I drew the line, I use Copy and delete the circle. 4. I then move accross the map seeking potential spots. Once I see one, I press Paste to see if the 30m diameter circle fits. If it does, I leave it there or move it slightly to fit. So one approach is to have leisure=common areas adjusted to the local situation. The other approach is to have circles tagged with aeroway=helipad. Since the two approaches are pretty different I really would like to know which one is the preferred one. Once this is sorted out we probably shoud align the mapping tagging for easier extraction and processing. Thanks, Michael ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks
Dan, Pierre -- Ok, thanks! What do you think about the possibility of getting other information about major paths in remote areas, e.g. from guide companies, old / paper maps, or informants with local knowledge? I saw mention of new high-res imagery (from Bing?) and wonder if that's in the Borang area -- could compare with what's visible in the Digital Globe imagery. Different season, or different sun angle, might pick out other parts of the paths. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9
Hi Stephan, Since OSM doesn't have very rigid rules of what tags to use, some geographic areas and communities of interest (like HOT) may use a tag slightly different than in other areas or not use a tag at all. HOT (HDM) Tagging Preset - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset which was developed for HOT contexts but unique situations of what to tag arise, often very quickly after a disaster or event that HOT responds to (known as an activation), and a new tag is made. Thus, particular objects, like an IDP camp, haven't been added to the preset or to the map renderings that you've mentioned. That discussion will need to happen here and in the working groups. Secondly, a geographic area usually has its own page on the OSM wiki how to tag commonly found features and any tagging nuances. Nepal's is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging Lastly, and most importantly, is the Task Manager Instructions. So if you read of any conflicting information between what's in the HOT preset and what's mentioned in the Task Manager, err on the side of the task manager. You aren't required to use the preset for HOT mapping, but if you're interested, it's only available for JOSM. Installation instructions are at http://learnosm.org/en/editing/josm-presets/ and select the HDM/HOT preset. I hope it makes mapping easier for you. Secondly, as a relatively experienced HOT contributor and mapper, I thank the new OpenStreetMap users. This response is not like anything before and as you have seen, been truly helpful and made a difference. Hope to you see your participation in the future as well. Regards, Will (skorasaurus) = Hi Sorry to interrupt your fantastic work capturing Nepal with two questions. They are of long term nature and interest: 1. What tags are recommended to use in HOT actions (is there a wiki.osm.org page)? 2. Which interactive maps (i.e. map tile servers) are you using (besides Garmin .img)? Regarding 1. I assumed tags are described in http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags and JOSM Presets (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset). Now, I'm confused because I looked at taginfo instance Nepal http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys and saw e.g. idp:camp_site which is not existing in JOSM Presets. JOSM HOT presets only contain tourism=camp_site. Regarding 2. When looking at OSM Humanitarian style or Stamen's I'd expected to see specific HOT tags like camp_sites or destructed buildings: * OSM Humanitarian: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342295158#map=18/27.89391/85.14700layers=H * Stamen: http://tiles.openterrain.org/?humaniterrain#18/27.89391/85.14579 Is there a tiled map servers I missed? Yours, S. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation tools
John, we would need to routinely query Overpass to query for new contributions for a specific bbox. We should thinkf further about such validation process. In the meantime, it is certainly possible to export the TM, calculate the bbox and then make Overpass queries. An other interesting feature with Overpass, it is possible to query for a particular contributor. We then have a complete view of his contribution. If he make constantly the same error, easier maybe to spot and correct. Pierre De : john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 14h18 Objet : [HOT] Validation tools When I validate I may notice an area tagged as a building. Occasionally I'll search the entire tile for more buildings by the same user and normally I'll find three or four areas tagged as buildings. When I validate a project I try to validate tiles as soon or shortly after they are done and I've caught more than a few errors that way and gently nudged the mappers towards the accepted way of mapping. However the typical tile has fourteen or fifteen different mappers contributing not just the one who marked it done. However the really new inexperienced mappers don't mark a tile as done but these are the people I'd prefer to validate quickly to see they are mapping along the right lines. Any suggestions please on how to pick them out and check what they've done? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
I got that reversed. It was S Volk's approach I support. Tom Taylor On 03/05/2015 1:10 PM, Tom Taylor wrote: I would go with Milo's approach. Leave aeroway=helipad for the official sites. Tom Taylor TomT5454 On 03/05/2015 11:53 AM, Michael Krämer wrote: Hi Milo and Sérgio, thank you both very much for your feedback. I think you gave perfect examples of the two different approaches that I came across: Am 03.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb S Volk: For the other possible landing areas as said in instructions, in hilly areas I try to find the higher and larger, clear but not too far from village. Also with some support of helicopters websites as quoted, Helicopters like Chinook may need wider area, but smaller helipoters can land on smaller areas. It depends on conditions that we can't decide from satellite. Am 03.05.2015 um 17:10 schrieb Milo van der Linden: I have been mapping aeroway=helipad in the following way: 1. In JOSM, I draw a line 30m in diameter. 2. Then I use Create Circle and add aeroway=helipad 3. If it doesn't fit in the area where I drew the line, I use Copy and delete the circle. 4. I then move accross the map seeking potential spots. Once I see one, I press Paste to see if the 30m diameter circle fits. If it does, I leave it there or move it slightly to fit. So one approach is to have leisure=common areas adjusted to the local situation. The other approach is to have circles tagged with aeroway=helipad. Since the two approaches are pretty different I really would like to know which one is the preferred one. Once this is sorted out we probably shoud align the mapping tagging for easier extraction and processing. Thanks, Michael ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
Am 03.05.2015 um 19:50 schrieb Pierre Béland: Yes please only for official sites. We have to be careful to not indicate as an helipad if no official sign. In such cases, we use as a convention, leisure = common. The GIS specialists can then extract the info and analyze. Pierre, thanks a lot for the clarification on this! I also want to add to that: Please map potential landing sites (leisure=common) with an area of the actual shape. This should be helpful to analyze the sites. Basically only map circles if there actually is a circle on the ground. Thanks, Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
Yes please only for official sites. We have to be careful to not indicate as an helipad if no official sign. In such cases, we use as a convention, leisure = common. The GIS specialists can then extract the info and analyze. regard Pierre De : Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 3 mai 2015 13h10 Objet : Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping I would go with Milo's approach. Leave aeroway=helipad for the official sites. Tom Taylor TomT5454 On 03/05/2015 11:53 AM, Michael Krämer wrote: Hi Milo and Sérgio, thank you both very much for your feedback. I think you gave perfect examples of the two different approaches that I came across: Am 03.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb S Volk: For the other possible landing areas as said in instructions, in hilly areas I try to find the higher and larger, clear but not too far from village. Also with some support of helicopters websites as quoted, Helicopters like Chinook may need wider area, but smaller helipoters can land on smaller areas. It depends on conditions that we can't decide from satellite. Am 03.05.2015 um 17:10 schrieb Milo van der Linden: I have been mapping aeroway=helipad in the following way: 1. In JOSM, I draw a line 30m in diameter. 2. Then I use Create Circle and add aeroway=helipad 3. If it doesn't fit in the area where I drew the line, I use Copy and delete the circle. 4. I then move accross the map seeking potential spots. Once I see one, I press Paste to see if the 30m diameter circle fits. If it does, I leave it there or move it slightly to fit. So one approach is to have leisure=common areas adjusted to the local situation. The other approach is to have circles tagged with aeroway=helipad. Since the two approaches are pretty different I really would like to know which one is the preferred one. Once this is sorted out we probably shoud align the mapping tagging for easier extraction and processing. Thanks, Michael ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question on Nepal helicopter landing sites mapping
I would go with Milo's approach. Leave aeroway=helipad for the official sites. Tom Taylor TomT5454 On 03/05/2015 11:53 AM, Michael Krämer wrote: Hi Milo and Sérgio, thank you both very much for your feedback. I think you gave perfect examples of the two different approaches that I came across: Am 03.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb S Volk: For the other possible landing areas as said in instructions, in hilly areas I try to find the higher and larger, clear but not too far from village. Also with some support of helicopters websites as quoted, Helicopters like Chinook may need wider area, but smaller helipoters can land on smaller areas. It depends on conditions that we can't decide from satellite. Am 03.05.2015 um 17:10 schrieb Milo van der Linden: I have been mapping aeroway=helipad in the following way: 1. In JOSM, I draw a line 30m in diameter. 2. Then I use Create Circle and add aeroway=helipad 3. If it doesn't fit in the area where I drew the line, I use Copy and delete the circle. 4. I then move accross the map seeking potential spots. Once I see one, I press Paste to see if the 30m diameter circle fits. If it does, I leave it there or move it slightly to fit. So one approach is to have leisure=common areas adjusted to the local situation. The other approach is to have circles tagged with aeroway=helipad. Since the two approaches are pretty different I really would like to know which one is the preferred one. Once this is sorted out we probably shoud align the mapping tagging for easier extraction and processing. Thanks, Michael ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Validation tools
When I validate I may notice an area tagged as a building. Occasionally I'll search the entire tile for more buildings by the same user and normally I'll find three or four areas tagged as buildings. When I validate a project I try to validate tiles as soon or shortly after they are done and I've caught more than a few errors that way and gently nudged the mappers towards the accepted way of mapping. However the typical tile has fourteen or fifteen different mappers contributing not just the one who marked it done. However the really new inexperienced mappers don't mark a tile as done but these are the people I'd prefer to validate quickly to see they are mapping along the right lines. Any suggestions please on how to pick them out and check what they've done? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code
Stéphane, There will be shortly, will reply to this thread in due course. At the moment we’re working on extending relationships with community members and government from our pilot in June last year to scale regionally. Best, Mark On 3 May 2015, at 12:18, Stéphane Henriod s...@henriod.info wrote: This What3words looks like a genius idea to me! I especially like this comitment in the FAQ: If we, what3words ltd, are ever unable to maintain the what3words technology or make arrangements for it to be maintained by a third-party (with that third-party being willing to make this same commitment), then we will release our source code into the public domain. We will do this in such a way and with suitable licences and documentation to ensure that any and all users of what3words, whether they are individuals, businesses, charitable organisations, aid agencies, governments or anyone else can continue to rely on the what3words system. @Mark: do you have some feedback about your pilot in Tanzania? Any report or something we can have a look at? Cheers Stéphane -- No one goes so far or so fast as the man who does not know where he is going. Any worthwhile expedition can be planned on the back of an envelope. Bill Tillman On 3 May 2015 12:06, Krishma Nayee kris...@what3words.com mailto:kris...@what3words.com wrote: Hi Tomaso, Yes that is true, there is no ‘indexing’ between neighbouring squares. The algorithm converts coordinates into the 3 word address which are unique but fixed. Yes locating a tent would return several addresses, but it is just like collecting a set of coordinates for each tent. The benefit being that you can now communicate that location in a human friendly and rapid way. You can collect the 3 word location for the front of the tent or the centroid (if the coordinates have already been collected you can use the batch conversion tool - http://developer.what3words.com/batch-conversion-tool/ http://developer.what3words.com/batch-conversion-tool/). Human beings make errors. The system is optimized to recognise and autocorrect both sharer and receiver mistakes. The what3words autocorrect system picks up errors in spelling, typing, speaking, and mishearing 3 word locations. The system has shuffled all of similar sounding 3 word locations as far away from each other as possible, so it can use your location to intelligently guess where you meant. A lot of the time when the similar sounding addresses are near enough to each other it can be very confusing and often results in huge delays whilst the user works out what has gone wrong and what the right address actually is. Krishma From: Tomaso Bertoli tomaso.bert...@gmail.com mailto:tomaso.bert...@gmail.com Date: 3 May 2015 10:44:51 CEST To: Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk mailto:m...@markiliffe.co.uk Cc: hot hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code Hello Mark I looked at what3words The idea is quite good but I'm not sure why there appears to be no indexing two cells addresses three meters apart differ in all the three words and the addressing is way too sensible ... locating a tent would return serveral addresses It would be easier if the three words in the sequence would provide increasing detail in the geographic location So the addresses of the tent would differ only in the last word of the sequence Is the something I misunderstood or neglected in the what3words concept? Tomaso Il 03/Mag/2015 00:14, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk mailto:m...@markiliffe.co.uk ha scritto: Hi John, All, what3words is free at point of use and is human readable - the word component also is quite good at error checking. Postcodes and generic codes work if the people you want to use them have a cognition of addressing systems like postcodes or mailstops. My experience in rural Tanzania is that they don't have that experience. We've been integrating what3words so people will be able phone or text location. ID numbers on water points just washed away/eroded. what3words works even under partial degradation, then it can be error corrected unlike a postcode where every digit is relevant. Best, Mark Sent from my iPhone On 2 May 2015, at 23:52, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: what3words is nice but is commercial. I was hoping for some sort of open data prem code postcode idea. UK prem code is the house number so a prem code followed by the postcode is a unique address. Example 10pr82az is 10 weld road southport pr8 2az. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 17:42, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk mailto:m...@markiliffe.co.uk wrote: Hi Claire, Have you had a look
