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Re: [HOT] Mapswipe

2019-07-04 Thread Nick Allen

It's working!

Thanks

Nick
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On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 20:38 Pete Masters,  wrote:

> working for me now...
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:33 PM Hagellach Hegenich 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Nick,
>> same for me. :(
>> We're having a look at it now and can hopefully resolve this soon.
>> Let you know about the progress,
>> Kind regards,
>> Benni
>>
>> Am Do., 4. Juli 2019 um 21:19 Uhr schrieb Nick Allen <
>> nick.allen...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is anyone else having problems with mapswipe? 4 of us can't get it
>>> working despite using it earlier today. We're getting messages about
>>> internal errors.
>>>
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[HOT] Mapswipe

2019-07-04 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

Is anyone else having problems with mapswipe? 4 of us can't get it working
despite using it earlier today. We're getting messages about internal
errors.

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Re: [HOT] Urgent: Tasking Manager Site

2019-07-03 Thread Nick Allen

Hi Wendy,
Sorry, I couldn't see your screenshot properly on my phone - have now
realised what your full message means and have tried to contact tech.
people. 
https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/issues/1740  refers
Good luck
Nick
On Wed, 2019-07-03 at 12:52 +0100, Nick Allen wrote:
> Hi Wendy,
> I've just checked from the UK and the site seems okay?
> 
> 
> Get back in touch if still having a problem and I'll try to contact
> one of the tech team.
> 
> Nick
> my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 12:37 Wendy Ngan, 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Hot team,
> >  
> > We have an urgent issue here in Hong Kong, we are going to have a
> > Mapathon in 2 hours but we are not able to access the tasking
> > manager site (see screen cap below). Please advise what should we
> > do.
> >  
> > 
> > Wendy 
> > Medecins Sans Frontieres Hong Kong
> > 22/F, Pacific Plaza
> > 410-418 Des Voeux Road West,
> > 
> > Sai Wan, Hong Kong.
> > ---
> > T: +852 2959 4204
> > F: +852 2337 5442
> > E: 
> > wendy.n...@hongkong.msf.org
> > W: 
> > http://msf.hk
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
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Re: [HOT] Urgent: Tasking Manager Site

2019-07-03 Thread Nick Allen

Hi Wendy,

I've just checked from the UK and the site seems okay?


Get back in touch if still having a problem and I'll try to contact one of
the tech team.

Nick
my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!

On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 12:37 Wendy Ngan,  wrote:

> Hi Hot team,
>
>
>
> We have an urgent issue here in Hong Kong, we are going to have a Mapathon
> in 2 hours but we are not able to access the tasking manager site (see
> screen cap below). Please advise what should we do.
>
>
>
> Wendy
>
> Medecins Sans Frontieres Hong Kong
>
> 22/F, Pacific Plaza
>
> 410-418 Des Voeux Road West,
>
> Sai Wan, Hong Kong.
>
> ---
>
> T: +852 2959 4204
>
> F: +852 2337 5442
>
> E: wendy.n...@hongkong.msf.org
>
> W: http://msf.hk
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>
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[HOT] updates to LearnOSM - iD editor & Tasking Manager 3 sections

2019-07-01 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

Our little team has been hard at work over the last week or so, and
we're hoping the result will be helpful to you - all refer to the site
at https://learnosm.org/en/. 

The extremely good team of translators have been working hard as well,
and some of the modules, even though they are only a day or so old have
already been translated. Although the links given are for the English
version, the modules exist in other languages as well - click on the
language switcher at the top of the screen, and see if the language you
want is available.

Modules relating to the Tasking Manager 3 (the current HOT version)
have been updated - just search on 'Tasking' to see the modules
available, have been updated.

The Beginner section for iD at 
https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/ has been updated - if you
want to send a message to someone concerning a particular section,
click on it in the index, and the address bar at the top of your
browser should change to that particular module - for instance 
https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/#configuring-the-background-layer
 deals with changing the aerial imagery within iD, altering the
brightness, and alignment.

All modules in the https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/ section have been
updated - these modules are aimed at those new to OpenStreetMap and the
Tasking Manager, and are laid out to help a new mapper, or a validator
who wants to send a message to a particular mapper.  Many of the images
used in this section are moving, so even if you don't understand the
words, the moving picture can help with your mapping. The links for the
individual modules are;

Section index = https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/

Starting with the Tasking Manager and iD editor = 
https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/getting-started/

Aerial imagery - changing within iD. changing the alignment etc.. = 
https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/imagery/

Issues or warnings shown on iD when something is potentially wrong,
such as a building and a highway overlapping (Personally I like to
investigate this useful feature when I first open a task in iD, so I
can quickly see if there are some potential problems accidentally left
by other mappers) = https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/issues/

Rectangular buildings - tracing and 'squaring' = 
https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/tracing-rectangular-buildings/

Round buildings - tracing or altering a rectangular tracing left by a
previous mapper, to a round building = 
https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/tracing-round-buildings/

Saving to OSM in iD, also finishing or stopping mapping on the Tasking
Manager = https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/saving/

Tags and tagging = https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/tagging/

Copying, pasting, rotating, reflecting - makes iD a quick tool to use
when mapping a square = https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/copy-paste/

The help menu available from within iD itself is more comprehensive
(click on the '?' icon on the right side of the screen when editing in
iD), and the iD walkthrough available from the help menu are all also
worth investigating.

If you would like to add any of the images from LearnOSM into any
instructions or other documentation you are producing, please feel
free. In my Firefox web browser it's right click and 'copy image
location', which produces a result like = 
https://learnosm.org/images/hot-tips/rectangular_building.gif

Happy mapping, and thanks for reading

Nick (Tallguy)
HOT Training Working Group member.

Incidentally, we could do with more help on the team - particularly
from people who would be willing to proof read something for us before
we publish it, also in providing feedback - beginners welcome.

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Re: [HOT] [LearnOSM List] Help in collecting data in Kenya - Canadian students - January 2019

2018-09-27 Thread Nick Allen

Hi Sarah,

I've included the main HOT mailing list in my reply, and I'm sure there
will be many people there who can help.

Regards

Nick (Tallguy)
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 15:05 Sarah Bortolamiol, 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am contacting you to get information on your activities, especially the
> HOT program.
>
> I am a trained geographer and my research is mainly based on human-animal
> interactions in Uganda and France so far.
>
> I am in charge of a field course for Canadian students to be held in Kenya
> in January. My course will have between 15 and 20 students and will focus
> on GIS / data collection and field surveys. The program is still under
> construction but a priori we will move between Nairobi (6 days), Mt Kenya
> (4 days), Naivasha (4 days), Maji Moto (4 days), Masai Mara (2 days) and
> Kakamega (2 days) between January 13th and February 9th 2019. The idea is
> that I give students basic knowledge on GIS and surveys, and have them
> collect data in the field afterwards.
>
> I would like students to realize the practical utility of GIS and field
> surveys, and feel involve in what they do. Therefore I wonder if you have
> any projects in Kenya, in the areas we will visit, to which we could
> contribute? In terms of logistics we would have 4 computers with QGIS,
> generators when we do not have access to electricity, means of transport
> and a variable internet connection depending on the sites. We also plan to
> use tablets or mobile phones to collect field data but we have not yet
> acquired it.
>
> Thank you for the time you will give to my request for information,
> Sincerly,
> Sarah Bortolamiol
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[HOT] LearnOSM not in Albanian

2017-04-24 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Thanks to the efforts of our great team of translators on Transifex, the 
training team is pleased to announce that


http://learnosm.org/sq/

is now available. If you can help with the translation to Albanian, or 
any other translations, please go to https://www.transifex.com/ and 
search for HOTOSM.



Regards


Nick

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[HOT] Fwd: Re: landuse=residential within landuse=residential

2017-03-28 Thread Nick Allen

Sorry

Missed the list with my reply.

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
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-- Forwarded message --
From: "Nick Allen" <nick.allen...@gmail.com>
Date: 28 Mar 2017 19:57
Subject: Re: [HOT] landuse=residential within landuse=residential
To: "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I think it depends on the project instructions.

For instance the Aweil tasks such as http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2525
Have a link to a very good diary entry with good screenshots indicating
largish residential boundaries.

Some of the others say something like 2 buildings.

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
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On 28 Mar 2017 18:48, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm starting to see areas where someone has mapped a largish area
landuse=residential and other mappers have tightly mapped groups of
buildings and tagged landuse=residential within this.

I'm not sure whether to ignore them or delete one or the other?

Thoughts please.

Thanks John

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[HOT] LearnOSM updates - Mapathon guide for organisers, Quick Access links and HOT-tips for new mappers

2017-02-12 Thread Nick Allen


Hi all,

http://learnosm.org/en/ has had a few updates!

My thanks to the whole team who have done such a great job on improving 
the site recently. It's a team effort with work by many people, who help 
to make it all happen. I'll mention a few names, and can only apologise 
to those I miss - the help, feedback and advice is terrific - please 
keep it up!


*Technical updates* that now give us a dropdown list for the 
translations, a 'Quick access' list for those items we think will be 
helpful to new mappers, and colour changes for sections of the menu 
visited  (Michael Heißmeier).


*Organising a mapathon* with downloadable checklists (Ralph Aytoun, 
Michael Heißmeier & others)


A new section *'HOT-tips'*  aimed at helping new mappers get started 
using the Tasking Manager and iD editor. Validators may also find it 
useful if looking for a guide to link to when sending feedback. Sections 
include *tracing round buildings 
(*http://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/tracing-round-buildings/*)*, tracing 
*rectangular buildings*, saving your work, copying and pasting etc.. 
Links are included to short training video's . (Many of the people in 
this list may not realise how influential their help and advice was in 
producing this section; Tyler Radford, Blake Girardot, Bryan Housel, 
Ralph Aytoun, Suzan Reed, Sam Colchester, Michael Heißmeier, John 
Whelan, Andrew Wiseman, Laura O'Grady & others).


*Translations - a special thanks to the translators* who help to produce 
the guides within LearnOSM, but also make the iD editor, Tasking Manager 
& countless other guides and resources available throughout the world. 
It amazes me how diverse the languages are spread, with people 
throughout the world reading the site. If you would like to help with 
translations, please go to https://www.transifex.com and search for HOTOSM.


New members of the team are always welcome and the only qualification 
needed is a willingness to help - feedback and advice is especially welcome!



Regards

Nick (Tallguy)

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Re: [HOT] Bounding box not in iD Editor anymore

2017-02-06 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

A quick but dirty workaround

1. Load task in iD

2. return to Task on TM, go back to 'edit with' and select JOSM

3. You will get an error message about JOSM remote control, but it will 
give you access to a section of the JOSM menu

4. From the section that reads "/Tip: Download the following .gpx file 
 and load it in JOSM 
in order to see the current task boundary" /right click on /".gpx file" 
/and select /"Save link as" -/ I put mine in my downloads folder. /

/

4. Back to the iD /tab in your browser, and have file manager open as 
well - drag & drop the downloaded .gpx file onto the window of ID -- 
then wait.../

5. If all goes well you now have the square on your iD screen./It took a 
while to load on my setup & a message about waiting or closing appeared 
- but it has loaded each time I've tried.

/

/
/

/I'll try to put together a quick howto with images on LearnOSM and make 
it downloadable. Feedback as to whether this works for everyone would be 
appreciated in case I have to make amendments./

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)/

/
On 06/02/17 11:36, Donal Hunt wrote:
Can confirm. Have noticed that the bounding box doesn't always 
display. Usually closing the tab and relaunching 1-2 times results in 
it appearing.
If logs / javascript console output is useful for tracking down the 
issue, let me know and I'll share. :)

d.

On 6 February 2017 at 08:09, Rebecca Firth > wrote:

Hi,

Just to add in on this one, there are quite a lot of mapathons
going on over the next few days, including a group of students in
Botswana mapping from today for the next two weeks.

@Bryan - I had noticed over the past few months that sometimes the
pink box didn't load immediately when you loaded a square, and you
needed to wait quite a while or reload the square to see it. Not
sure if others had seen the same.

Thanks,

Rebecca

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Bryan Housel
> wrote:

That does look like a bug!   I will try to get a fix merged in
by your event Wednesday…

On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Orla McManus
>
wrote:

Hi everyone,
I am unable to see the square bounding box in iD Editor when
I lock and open a task/grid square
e.g.http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2477#task/58
. My
understanding is that this bounding box enables the digitiser
to ensure that they are working only in their grid square so
that they can mark it as done in the Tasking Manager.
Has this been removed with a recent update of iD Editor? Will
this functionality be added again?
We have a mapathon organised for Wednesday with all beginners
and it will be much more difficult to coordinate our progress
without this bounding box in iD Editor.
Thanks very much,
Orla

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[HOT] Training WG 2016

2016-12-09 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Just a quick summary as we approach the year end - feel free to join us 
using any of the links below.  All are welcome!


Over the course of the past year the Training Working Group (TrWG) has 
been involved in a variety of initiatives. The purpose of this email is 
to share information and provide updates so that the wider HOT community 
is aware of our work. The TrWG meets every other week on Mondays at 
19:00 UTC on Mumble (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble). Please 
feel free to join us at any time.


Early in 2016 a Trello board was created to manage the group’s 
activities. You can view a list of TrWG projects on Trello: 
https://trello.com/b/ZYzEoama/hot-training-wg. One of the main resources 
used by the TrWG is the LearnOSM (www.learnosm.og 
<http://www.learnosm.og>) web site, which is maintained by Nick Allen. 
Since January our completed projects include developing backup 
capability and refining the documentation for LearnOSM & Transifex 
processes, updating a LearnOSM Module with full workflow and setting up 
a LearnOSM staging site.


Numerous individual pages in LearnOSM have been created and edited by 
members of the TrWG. Included in this are the OSM Tasking Manager 
Project Admin page, the JOSM - Adding Aerial Imagery page, and the 
Mapathon/Event Management Guide. Ongoing projects include translation of 
the LearnOSM documents, edits and reviews of other LearnOSM pages and 
issues related to overall training.


A heuristic evaluation of usability of the LearnOSM web site as well as 
an analysis of the log files was prepared. As a result a site map was 
added, which will improve the LearnOSM site’s positioning in search 
engine results.


The training for the Activation Working Group continues at the HOT 
Training Centre (http://courses.hotosm.org/), for review and revision 
the content is being migrated over to GitBooks 
(https://bgirardot.gitbooks.io/hotosm-activation-curriculum/content/). 
Discussions on future use of the Training Centre, which uses the 
elearning content management system Moodle continue.


Feedback from those who engage in mapathons has provided the TrWG with 
excellent insight into issues experienced with respect to new mappers, 
tagging, using iD, the potential need for instructions in other editors 
and the validation process. Discussions and suggested solutions continue 
on how best to resolve this include the use of training materials in 
mapathons, certification for validators and changes to the tasking 
manager (which can be added directly by using the list maintained here: 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues).


There is a little more info on our wiki page 
athttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training



We welcome your input and look forward to continued progress in 2017.

Sincerely,

The Training Working Group.

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[HOT] Myanmar (Burmese) Translation of LearnOSM is now available

2016-11-25 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Thanks to the enormous efforts of the team from *OneMap Myanmar* with 
*FAUNA & FLORA International*, LearnOSM is now available in Myanmar 
(Burmese). My sincere thanks go to the team responsible for this work.



If you wish to link to this language of the site, the links are;

Main link to site in Myanmar = http://learnosm.org/my/

iD section = http://learnosm.org/my/beginner/id-editor/

JOSM sections = http://learnosm.org/my/josm/

etc..

or you can, as usual, begin in any language and then switch using the 
switcher at the top of the screen.


Thanks again for such an enormous contribution.


Nick

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Re: [HOT] HOT Polo shirts

2016-07-14 Thread Nick Allen

Thanks for that.  I had been hoping there would be some kind of uptake.

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
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On 14 Jul 2016 10:06, "Tyler Radford" <tyler.radf...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> Sorry to hear about your shirt and lost luggage. As Kate suggested we can
> look into having a small supply available at the HOT Summit. We are also
> planning an online HOT merchandise store for later this year.
>
> Tyler
>
> *Tyler Radford*
> Executive Director
> tyler.radf...@hotosm.org
> @TylerSRadford
>
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> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> I'm not sure if there has been a run of HOT Polo shirts since the one I
>> did. The one I did I just bought shirts by individual order so there aren't
>> any left overs. Might be something to think about for the HOT Summit
>> though. I had the shirts made in Jakarta which made them relatively
>> inexpensive.
>>
>> -Kate
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a stock of HOT Polo shirts please. Mine was in my lost
>>> luggage and I'd rather like to replace it.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions, such as a pattern for an embroidered patch or ...?
>>> Appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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Re: [HOT] Using HOT validation styles in JOSM

2016-07-12 Thread Nick Allen


Hi Laura & John,

HDM is another very good style, but if you wish to look at the HOT 
Validate style (I frequently switch between 3 or 4 different styles 
depending on what I am currently doing), the process is quite simple for 
the initial setup, and even easier to switch once you have installed it.


Go to JOSM preferences (you may need to be in Expert mode),
3rd icon down for Map projection & data interpretation,
Tab for Map Paint styles,
Click on the + symbol far right, and in the two boxes that appear enter
HOT-Validate
https://github.com/DisasterNetDOTOrg/HOT-Osm-Validation/archive/master.zip

Make sure there is a tick in the box for 'active'

You may have to restart JOSM - not sure on that one.

There is more info at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles
& https://github.com/MarkCupitt/HOT-Osm-Validation

Once you have installed a paint style, & loaded some OSM data, you can 
switch between the paint styles by clicking on 'view' and 'map paint 
styles'.


Hope this helps

Regards

Nick

On 11/07/16 23:09, john whelan wrote:
HDM is what I use normally.  JOSM looks a bit odd if I map locally but 
it works well for Africa.


Cheerio John

On 11 July 2016 at 16:53, Laura O'Grady > wrote:


Hi all,

I’m not sure if this is the right place to post these questions.
I’m a first time validator and I’ve been following the
instructions at:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data

I wanted to add the JOSM Style 'HOT-OSM-Validation' as instructed
at the above link. I followed the detailed instructions for map
styles located here:

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles

The ‘'HOT-OSM-Validation” no longer appears on the list map paint
styles so I added it from GitHub
(https://github.com/MarkCupitt/HOT-Osm-Validation). Then I noticed
“"HDM by HOT" on the list in JOSM and also added it.

Which is the proper tool to use?

Also when I close/re-open JOSM I had to add HDM by HOT again. Is
there a way to get this option to “stick”?

Thanks.

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[HOT] HOT Polo shirts

2016-07-09 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

Does anyone have a stock of HOT Polo shirts please. Mine was in my lost
luggage and I'd rather like to replace it.

Any suggestions, such as a pattern for an embroidered patch or ...?
Appreciated.

Regards

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Re: [HOT] Sierra Leone Field trip with Missing Maps

2016-07-07 Thread Nick Allen

Hi John,

I'm not sure how many languages are available, but there are options. 
Certainly the forms can be produced with different language versions of 
the questions. One of the forms we regularly used was initially in 
French, and we used the option to change to English.

Hope this helps.

Nick

On 07/07/16 15:46, john whelan wrote:
Are these English only tools or is it possible to have different 
language interfaces?

Thanks John

On 7 July 2016 at 09:40, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com 
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Rox,

The packages used were all android apps, but I believe that some
are available for other phones;

ODK Collect
Various websites, but the principle one is https://opendatakit.org/.

OpenMapkit
http://www.openmapkit.org/

KoboCollect
Similar to ODK Collect. http://www.kobotoolbox.org/

There are other apps which perform a similar function.

We also trained in and installed OsmAnd http://osmand.net/ (Make
sure you have your map organised before you go to an area of weak
internet supply).

I'm quite happy to supply more information if needed & there are
many others on this list with knowledge on the subject(s) as well.

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 07/07/16 14:17, Roxroy Bollers wrote:

Nice work Nick! I'm embarking on a similar project here in
Guyana. I am curious to know if any at all what was the
application used on the mobile phone for the data collection
process?

Rox
ᐧ

On 6 July 2016 at 21:33, Matthew Gibb <mjng...@gmail.com
<mailto:mjng...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Really enjoyed reading about your experience, Nick, thanks
for sharing!

Matt

    On 7/6/16, 7:16 PM, "Nick Allen" <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I recently went on a field trip, as part of a Missing
Maps / American
>Red Cross / MSF project in Sierra Leone. I've written a
short diary
>entry [1], and was recently filmed whilst giving a short
talk in London
>about the trip [2].
>
>Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! I was only a
small cog in a
>great big machine, which I'm proud to say that all on
this mailing list
>are part of. We introduced many people and organisations to
>OpenStreetMap and HOT - many were surprised at the
quality of the
>mapping that was available. I'm sure we will see more
use of the
>information, and if our brief training sessions & talks
'hit the mark'
>then perhaps a few more people will be involved in the
projects in the
>future.
>
>Off shopping shortly - my luggage was lost by the airline.
>
>In the meantime, lots of geotagged photographs and gps
traces to
>process, together with lots of water supply information.
>
>Once again, on behalf of the many people I (We) spoke
to, thank you, and
>keep up the good work.
>
>Regards
>
>Nick
>(Tallguy)
>
>[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967
>[2] -
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Re: [HOT] Sierra Leone Field trip with Missing Maps

2016-07-07 Thread Nick Allen

Hi Rox,

The packages used were all android apps, but I believe that some are 
available for other phones;

ODK Collect
Various websites, but the principle one is https://opendatakit.org/.

OpenMapkit
http://www.openmapkit.org/

KoboCollect
Similar to ODK Collect.  http://www.kobotoolbox.org/

There are other apps which perform a similar function.

We also trained in and installed OsmAnd http://osmand.net/ (Make sure 
you have your map organised before you go to an area of weak internet 
supply).

I'm quite happy to supply more information if needed & there are many 
others on this list with knowledge on the subject(s) as well.

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 07/07/16 14:17, Roxroy Bollers wrote:
Nice work Nick! I'm embarking on a similar project here in Guyana. I 
am curious to know if any at all what was the application used on the 
mobile phone for the data collection process?

Rox
ᐧ

On 6 July 2016 at 21:33, Matthew Gibb <mjng...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mjng...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Really enjoyed reading about your experience, Nick, thanks for
sharing!

Matt

On 7/6/16, 7:16 PM, "Nick Allen" <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I recently went on a field trip, as part of a Missing Maps /
American
>Red Cross / MSF project in Sierra Leone. I've written a short
diary
>entry [1], and was recently filmed whilst giving a short talk
in London
>about the trip [2].
>
>Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! I was only a small
cog in a
>great big machine, which I'm proud to say that all on this
mailing list
>are part of. We introduced many people and organisations to
>OpenStreetMap and HOT - many were surprised at the quality of the
>mapping that was available. I'm sure we will see more use of the
>information, and if our brief training sessions & talks 'hit
the mark'
>then perhaps a few more people will be involved in the
projects in the
>future.
>
>Off shopping shortly - my luggage was lost by the airline.
>
>In the meantime, lots of geotagged photographs and gps traces to
>process, together with lots of water supply information.
>
>Once again, on behalf of the many people I (We) spoke to,
thank you, and
>keep up the good work.
>
>Regards
>
>Nick
>(Tallguy)
>
>[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967
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[HOT] Sierra Leone Field trip with Missing Maps

2016-07-06 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

I recently went on a field trip, as part of a Missing Maps / American 
Red Cross / MSF project in Sierra Leone. I've written a short diary 
entry [1], and was recently filmed whilst giving a short talk in London 
about the trip [2].


Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! I was only a small cog in a 
great big machine, which I'm proud to say that all on this mailing list 
are part of. We introduced many people and organisations to 
OpenStreetMap and HOT - many were surprised at the quality of the 
mapping that was available. I'm sure we will see more use of the 
information, and if our brief training sessions & talks 'hit the mark' 
then perhaps a few more people will be involved in the projects in the 
future.


Off shopping shortly - my luggage was lost by the airline.

In the meantime, lots of geotagged photographs and gps traces to 
process, together with lots of water supply information.


Once again, on behalf of the many people I (We) spoke to, thank you, and 
keep up the good work.


Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/38967
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Re: [HOT] Very quick question

2016-07-02 Thread Nick Allen

Pete,

Probably and tag as a ford but in some cases if you can see a culvert then
a section of the stream is tagged as a culvert and they don't share a node.

Regards

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
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On 2 Jul 2016 11:15, "Pete Masters"  wrote:

Just doing some Lesotho mapping... When a track crosses a stream, should
the two ways share a node?

T

P

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Re: [HOT] Mapping party in Barcelona

2016-04-12 Thread Nick Allen

Hi Pete,

It's probably in the message and I've missed it,  but do you have the date
please?

Regards

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On 12 Apr 2016 10:06, "Pete Masters"  wrote:

> Hi all, just a quick one...
>
> MSF Spain are hosting their first Missing Maps mapping party in a few
> weeks in Barcelona and they'd like to invite the local HOT / OSM community
> to come.
>
> If any of you guys are in or near Barcelona and fancy coming, or have
> contacts who you think might be interested, please email me and I'll put
> you in touch
>
> This is an exciting time for MSF, HOT and OSM collaboration. As well as
> MSF Spain, MSF France are now running events with CartONG, and MSF Belgium
> are currently partnering with OSM Belgium and HOT on hosting their first
> event in June.
>
> I'd like to express our thanks to the HOT and OSM communities for the
> excellent work they are doing to help MSF in their operational work! It
> really is much appreciated If you have any feedback for us, please do
> let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
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Re: [HOT] Help...

2016-02-13 Thread Nick Allen

Hi

http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/moving-forward/#mailing-list

Should help.

Good luck

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On 13 Feb 2016 13:31, "Mpindi Esma"  wrote:

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Re: [HOT] How newer mappers can help a lot with the validation process

2016-02-11 Thread Nick Allen


John,

I think we could do with more information on LearnOSM - the current 
content is http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/ & a couple of 
mentions in the Tasking Manager section.


I'm sure there is more information in other sources as well as the wiki 
link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data


If you and a couple of other people could put a guide together & run it 
by a few people (Training Working Group?), I'd be happy to take the 
resulting document & format the text to place it on LearnOSM. Grab a few 
screenshots as well - I'll do the formatting, but I don't have time to 
actually write the text at the moment - I can cope with copy & paste & 
then format the outcome.


Regards

Nick

On 11/02/16 18:29, Russell Deffner wrote:


Hi all,

Validation is a ‘beast’ of a discussion that in my opinion has been 
addressed in two parts: teaching/training validators and technical 
changes in the Tasking Manager.  I for one completely support building 
a ‘white-list’ option (or otherwise the option to ‘appoint’ 
validators) into the TM; however don’t want to ‘spam’ the list too 
much, so I think this is the ‘most current’ and on-point issue in 
github: https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599


However, on the training side of things; we have built a 
‘higher-level’ type of course for validation here: 
http://courses.hotosm.org/ but it is specific to HOT Disaster Mapping; 
there has been talk about a module for ‘general’ validation on 
LearnOSM, and Nick or someone closer involved with the Training 
Working Group can probably tell you more about that.


In either case, I think there is plenty of room for improvement.

Cheers,

=Russ

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*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:19 AM
*To:* john whelan
*Cc:* HOT@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [HOT] How newer mappers can help a lot with the 
validation process


There is a wiki article at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data


It needs updating.

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
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On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:


In there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can document 
validation, what works and why and what to look for?  Perhaps put down 
some sort of service level agreement ie after validation we are only 
looking for what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM 
validotian to be run.  We expect 97% of settlements to be mapped type 
thing? That way people who wish to validate have something to feel 
confident about.


We need to get more people into validation.

Thanks

Cheerio John

On 11 February 2016 at 09:56, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:winfi...@gmail.com>> wrote:


If such a volunteer becomes more confident after a while, they 
shouldn't hesitate to actually validate the task, if all was mapped 
well and they didn't have to add/change much.


When I look at finished tiles, I start with the intention to validate 
it. If I have to do too much work on it, I will sometimes simply 
unlock once again, either leaving a note it's actually complete now.
If there is still more work than I have time for at that time, it's 
better to "invalidate", so another mapper knows where more work is needed.


Polyglot

2016-02-11 14:47 GMT+01:00 Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com 
<mailto:bgirar...@gmail.com>>:



That is a good point John, if anyone does a second look to map in
missing buildings in a "completed" task square you should leave a
comment on the task square that says you looked over the completed
task square and filled in all the missing buildings you could find.

For sure it is not a waste of time to review completed task
squares, but I agree, it probably only needs one going over before
validation.

In addition, this is a very helpful way for new mappers to become
better mappers and contribute to an urgent priority project to get
done well and fast.

Tiny task squares help, but stuff still gets missed and often we
don't get the validation stage completed in time, no matter how
important it is so an informal review makes a big difference if
that is what a volunteer wants to do and can contribute.



Cheers,
Blake



On 2/11/2016 2:33 PM, john whelan wrote:

I'm not sure this is the best use of our very limited number of
mappers.  Just scanning a tile takes time, so the optimum use of
mapper
time is to have them scan once when they map and have a validator
scan once.

For a productivity point of view its better to have new mappers split
the tiles twice and map a tiny tile completely than have twenty of
them
go over the same area.  From the same point of view its better to have
them map where we have good imag

Re: [HOT] How newer mappers can help a lot with the validation process

2016-02-11 Thread Nick Allen

There is a wiki article at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data

It needs updating.

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!
On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan"  wrote:

> In there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can document
> validation, what works and why and what to look for?  Perhaps put down some
> sort of service level agreement ie after validation we are only looking for
> what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM validotian to be run.
> We expect 97% of settlements to be mapped type thing? That way people who
> wish to validate have something to feel confident about.
>
> We need to get more people into validation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 11 February 2016 at 09:56, Jo  wrote:
>
>> If such a volunteer becomes more confident after a while, they shouldn't
>> hesitate to actually validate the task, if all was mapped well and they
>> didn't have to add/change much.
>>
>> When I look at finished tiles, I start with the intention to validate it.
>> If I have to do too much work on it, I will sometimes simply unlock once
>> again, either leaving a note it's actually complete now.
>> If there is still more work than I have time for at that time, it's
>> better to "invalidate", so another mapper knows where more work is needed.
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> 2016-02-11 14:47 GMT+01:00 Blake Girardot :
>>
>>>
>>> That is a good point John, if anyone does a second look to map in
>>> missing buildings in a "completed" task square you should leave a comment
>>> on the task square that says you looked over the completed task square and
>>> filled in all the missing buildings you could find.
>>>
>>> For sure it is not a waste of time to review completed task squares, but
>>> I agree, it probably only needs one going over before validation.
>>>
>>> In addition, this is a very helpful way for new mappers to become better
>>> mappers and contribute to an urgent priority project to get done well and
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> Tiny task squares help, but stuff still gets missed and often we don't
>>> get the validation stage completed in time, no matter how important it is
>>> so an informal review makes a big difference if that is what a volunteer
>>> wants to do and can contribute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/11/2016 2:33 PM, john whelan wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure this is the best use of our very limited number of
 mappers.  Just scanning a tile takes time, so the optimum use of mapper
 time is to have them scan once when they map and have a validator scan
 once.

 For a productivity point of view its better to have new mappers split
 the tiles twice and map a tiny tile completely than have twenty of them
 go over the same area.  From the same point of view its better to have
 them map where we have good imagery than map where quote "You may have
 to squint a bit".  Mapping whilst squinting takes more time to map the
 same area than mapping where the imagery is good.  No matter where they
 map it will be useful to someone if not a short term MSF or American Red
 Cross project and to be honest if something like Ebola crops up having
 fairly good mapping of existing highways and villages in place before
 you start helps those projects in the field at least plan out what and
 where.

 Cheerio John

 On 10 February 2016 at 10:28, Blake Girardot > wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just want to mention, that new mappers can really help with the
 validation process by doing what they typically do: Map in roads and
 buildings but into "Completed" task squares.

 You do not need to mark a task square "Validated", but just
 reviewing the completed squares and filling in missing things or
 fixing up buildings that might not be mapped very well (squaring up
 the rectangular buildings :) is immensely helpful.

 I wrote a short OSM Diary entry that says basically the same thing:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot/diary/36235

 I just thought I would mention it because if you see projects on the
 Tasking Manager that look "done" just know you can always help a bit
 more by reviewing "Completed" task squares just to double check
 nothing was missed even if you do not feel experienced enough to
 "Validate" a task square.

 This is especially true for projects where we have made a call for
 more mappers on the email list or via twitter. Double and triple
 checks to make sure the mapping in the instructions is actually
 complete really helps in the process and gets the people on the
 ground the best data we can possible generate for them.

[HOT] HOT Training Working Group meeting - now!

2016-01-18 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

A very late reminder but

HOT Training Working Group are meeting now on IRC 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC)


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Re: [HOT] Tom Taylor passed away Dec. 24th, 2015 - Goodbye Tom

2015-12-30 Thread Nick Allen


Suzan,

Please pass on my deepest condolences to Tom's family.

I admired Tom's drive and commitment under such difficult circumstances, 
and I am sorry to lose him from our community. He devoted considerable 
time and effort helping us to create learning materials to help in the 
mapping of disaster areas & he remained a figure of integrity & sound 
judgement throughout.


I will miss him as will our community.

In deepest sympathy

Nick

On 30/12/15 21:17, Suzan Reed wrote:

If anyone wishes to express condolences your email will be included in a letter 
sent to to Tom Taylor’s wife and family.

Tom showed me that even when very ill it’s possible and important to contribute 
to the stream of life. He was truly a great man, and I will miss him, and 
treasure the time I had working with him.

Please add your thoughts here so we may include them if you wish his family 
hear from you.

Suzan


On Dec 28, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Ahasanul Hoque  wrote:

Dear Tom’s family,

I am so sorry to hear of Tom's death and we, the Bangladesh OpenstreetMap 
community want to express our most sincere sympathies to the family during this 
difficult time. Tom was a highly valuable and respected member of our great and 
dynamic global community of HOT and OSM and the effects of his passing are 
already being felt the community.



I knew from Tom’s profile that he started osm with geocaching. What a bold 
career and life he lived!!  No obstacles stopped him in his journey for 
contributing to humanity. From some HOT members I also have known that he made 
many great contributions to the OSM and humanitarian field. He was chair of 
LearnOSM working group. He told in his user’s profile “Possibly I can do some 
mapping while I'm away”. We wish Tom will always be mapping in heaven too. His 
work here will not soon be forgotten.



Tom will be greatly missed by HOT community and everyone here in Bangladesh 
community is saddened by his death. Know that our thoughts and prayers are with 
Tom and his family and friends during this difficult time.



With sincere sympathy,



Ahasan

OpenStreetMap Bangladesh


.
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GIS & Env. Data Mgt Specialist
MSc in RS and GIS | AIT, Thailand.
MSc. in Env. Science| KU, Bangladesh.
Diploma in Disaster Mgt & Humanitarian Response |
Uni of Hawai-USA, UNU, Keio& Okayama - Japan; AIT-Thailand.
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Suzan Reed  wrote:
Dear Friends,

Last night I learned our dear friend and tireless contributor Tom Taylor passed 
away December 24th.

Tom was the Chair of the LearnOSM Working Group where I met him. He was a 
mentor to me as a newcomer to the group, and always so respectful. He shared 
openly about his illness and treatments, and talked about his family in a way 
that made me feel a real part of his life. He’d mentioned recently he was 
learning to cook because his wife was ill, and made some light humor about it 
that made me smile. He also said he was not well, more than before. Tom was 
always so open about his illness but it’s always heart wrenching when someone 
you care for is truly gone.

Tom interacted with many of us in the HOT community. It would be a fitting 
tribute to him if we all shared our memories and lauded his memory with his 
many contributions to the humanitarian work we do through mapping.

Tom caught my heart and my respect. I will miss him very much.

Suzan Reed


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Re: [HOT] JOSM and TM problems (was RE: HOT Digest, Vol 69, Issue 21)

2015-11-22 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

Is your problem to do with JOSM & remote control?

At a recent mapathon in London I found two JOSM users for whom remote 
control would not work despite all of our efforts - I can't solve that 
for you, but I can offer a workround if that is the problem.

1. Open JOSM,
2. Select your square on the TM,
3. Click on the words "*.gpx file*" in the line of text that appears 
below "Edit with JOSM" - /Tip: Download the following.gpx file 
and load it in JOSM 
in order to see the current task boundary
/4. Open this .gpx file in JOSM, which will give you the border of your 
square,

5. Download OSM data using the download button.
6. When you are mapping try not to join to this bounding box - you will 
not have the diagonal crosshatching you normally see, and only the 
square will be the boundary.

Your actions are similar to the ones outlined here 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#editing-choices for 
users of Potlatch.

If that's not the problem, please reply to this list (HOT) and one of us 
will do our best to help you.

Regards

Nick

on On 22/11/15 16:12, Russell Deffner wrote:

Greetings Kazeem, sorry if this is too late, but I think because you 
replied to the digest this message went to my junk box (and probably 
many others). Please just email directly hot@openstreetmap.org 
 when starting a new topic.

I am not having any issue, so without knowing more about your set-up I 
would just suggest making sure your JOSM is up-to-date as well as your 
browser. If you’re still having troubles, reply-all and let us know 
more about your set-up.

Kind regards,

=Russ

*From:*Kazeem Owolabi [mailto:kazeem.owol...@ehealthnigeria.org]
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 12:44 PM
*To:* hot@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 69, Issue 21

Evening All,

I am currently having issues with my JOSM, it seems not to connect to 
the HOT Tasking manager and the remote control is enabled.

Please, I need a bail out here, need to map over the weekend with JOSM.

Thanks.

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Hi all,

We thought you might be interested in our new research report on what 
influences digital map-making with young volunteers in Bangladesh.  
Carmen Sumadiwiria and Y Care International produced the report 
together from Carmen's research in Bangladesh this summer.  We're 
really thankful for the OSM Bangladesh community for being involved.  
The research looks at influences in mapping and a Y Care International 
pilot getting young volunteers from the UK and Bangladesh mapping with 
coordination with the Missing Maps project.  Any comments or feedback 
very welcome!

The report can also be accessed from Y Care International's website 
here 
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Many thanks and happy reading,
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[HOT] Buildings or construction?

2015-11-16 Thread Nick Allen


Hi Pete,

I've been contacted by one of the mappers I've been training, concerned 
because he had one of his squares invalidated. He's been working away at 
the Lubumbashi tasks involving the tracing of buildings. [1]


From conversations I've had with you, and others involved in the 
mapping of the areas, I've been teaching (& validating), on the basis 
that a building without a roof can easily become a building with a roof. 
I seem to remember from previous conversations that the arguments go 
something like;


 * 1/. It only takes a short time to put a thatched or corrugated iron
   roof on the walls. The roof may be on the building before the
   tracing is complete.
 * 2/. Even though there is no roof on the top floor, there may be
   lower floors in occupation, and the building may even still be
   occupied without a roof,
 * 3/. When the ground survey is being carried out, the surveyor can
   get OSM updated with the correct status - but it helps them if the
   building shows up on OSM & on the printouts.


I've had a read through the instructions for the projects, and through 
the wiki page for buildings [2] for clarification.


Could you have a quick review and perhaps update the instructions for 
the projects if you feel that is needed, or just reply to this email. 
I'm happy to contact the validator concerned once I've clarified that 
the instructions have not altered.


[1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1253 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1254 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1228

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

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[HOT] Training WG reminder Agenda

2015-08-29 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

There is a meeting of the HOT Training Working Group at 1800 UTC on 
Monday 31/08/2015 using the HOT IRC channel.


The Agenda is at 
https://hackpad.com/HOT-Training-WG-Agenda-31-Aug-2015-1vrPtNTY1md


Brief instructions on using IRC can be found at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC


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[HOT] LearnOSM translations now using Transifex

2015-08-04 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Thanks to the generosity of those very nice folks at Transifex, [1] we 
are now using their services for the translations of LearnOSM [2].


If you would like to help with the ongoing translations, please visit 
the Transifex website [1] and search for 'HOT-OSM', and you will find 
LearnOSM listed there. If you're new to the site you will have to apply 
for a login, then apply to become a HOT translator. I've only seen it 
from the 'managing a site' side of things, but it all seems very simple.


There is guidance for new translators within the site, and a link 'help 
pages' which leads to a guidance wiki on translating for LearnOSM [3]


You'll see there are several modules of LearnOSM uploaded and ready for 
translation - can you make sure the file 'essential_setup.txt' is fully 
translated first, as we need that one to add the correct labels and text 
to the homepage and links within the site. After that I suggest the 
beginner modules will be the most helpful, and statistically the most 
popular (followed by 'osm-data' then 'mobile-mapping'). There were over 
11,000 visitors to the site in July, so you can judge yourself how 
valuable your contribution could be.


We're reviewing the modules before adding them to Transifex for 
translation, so you may find a few are not there yet - give us time, 
please as we're trying to make sure that everything is up-to-date. I'm 
afraid that sometimes we have to update a module after it is translated, 
so you may find, on rare occasions, that the module you have already 
finished gets a further face lift and some of the sentences will need 
amending (just the alterations will need a further translation).


Our grateful thanks to those that have translated for LearnOSM in the 
past, and we hope to see more of your efforts pass through this much 
easier system and on into LearnOSM in the future.


Any feedback is always welcome.

[1] https://www.transifex.com
[2] http://learnosm.org/en/
[3] 
https://github.com/Nick-Tallguy/Nick-Tallguy.github.io/wiki/Translator-instructions-for-Transifex
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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM Glossary

2015-07-24 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Personally I'd prefer a single glossary within LearnOSM [1] which is 
available in many languages. If you don't know what a term or acronym 
means, you won't know where to search for it, hence my preference for a 
single glossary. LearnOSM is linked from a number of sources which are 
HOT related and is expected to provide the answers for those who wish to 
donate their time and expertise through HOT.


For instance visit the Tasking Manager [2] now and you will find 5 of 
the first 6 tasks refer to 'IDP Informal camps'. You will not find an 
explanation of 'IDP'  within many other glossaries. Perhaps a search of 
the TM for other terms that should be included?


The search engine of LearnOSM only searches for the title of a module or 
guide, so it will not find words within the module or guide itself. It 
would make sense to have all of the entries listed in alphabetic order 
to make finding the terms easier, although you can also use the 'Ctrl+f' 
function to search most documents. For most subjects within the glossary 
I believe it would be sensible to provide a short explanation, but then 
link to another site that has a fuller explanation for those who wish to 
explore further.


Many people have helped to provide translations for LearnOSM and 
hopefully they will continue to support HOT by continuing with their 
production of translations. We've just started using Transifex [3] for 
our translations, which should make the process simpler. We're more 
likely to be able to provide more translations for a glossary on 
LearnOSM than an entry somewhere else is able to provide.


[1] http://learnosm.org/
[2] http://tasks.hotosm.org/
[3] https://www.transifex.com

Regards

Nick

On 24/07/15 17:28, althio wrote:

Hi all,

I am not sure how to handle the glossary mixture of:
- basic OSM terms
- basic HOT terms
- advanced HOT/Activation terms

I mean the growing glossary page could become overwhelming for a beginner.

What do you think?
All glossay in one continuous page? One page, sections by topics?
Differents pages, one glossary by section
(beginner/JOSM/remote/Activation...)?



Back to the content, a few proposals:
- We could read through the content of LearnOSM to flag terms that
need to be included in the glossary (best done by newcomers!)
- We could take a pick in the OSM wiki glossary and see if any of
those terms is used in LearnOSM
[OSM wiki glossary] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glossary


Best

althio

On 13 July 2015 at 22:51, Yachtsman Dev yachtsman@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

My name is Anwaario and I am one of the LearnOSM Interns this summer.

I have been tasked with improving  the LearnOSM glossary .

Help us make the LearnOSM glossary more informative by forwarding  your
vocabulary suggestions.

This is an ongoing project and new terms will be added and live as soon as
they are approved by my mentors.

All replies should be sent directly to both me and the list.


Respectfully,



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Re: [HOT] Difficulty with the Task Manager

2015-07-06 Thread Nick Allen

The screen I get (only once - not a problem for me) has the text

Authorise access to your account

The application OSMTM http://tasks.hotosm.org is requesting access to
your account, Tallguy https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy.
Please check whether you would like the application to have the
following capabilities. You may choose as many or as few as you like.

Allow the client application to:

* read your user preferences.

a button 'save changes' which I click once that solves it.

Do you have access to another browser? I had an issue some months ago
with Firefox not displaying something that did display on both my phone
on chrome.

Nick
On 06/07/15 20:38, Suzan Reed wrote:

Nick,

Please advise exactly what I need to do.

Thanks for your help.

Suzan

On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Nick Allen wrote:

Suzan Pierre,

If I may. Because of an update to the Tasking Manager at
http://tasks.hotosm.org/ it now needs to ask permission of
http://www.openstreetmap.org/ to access your account - I've seen it 3 times
today amongst a group of people I'm training.

Although, it only caused a temporary hold-up for one person, the other two were
able to authorise first time, by clicking on the authorise link. The one with
the temporary problem we managed to get second time round.

Good luck

Nick

On 06/07/15 20:26, Suzan Reed wrote:

Pierre,

I'm using Firefox 38.0.5 on a Macbook Pro.

URL to the login page:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/login?referer=%2Fedit%3Feditor%3Did%26#map=11/27.9070579309/83.8806152193comment=%23hotosm-project-1047gpx=http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047/task/612.gpx

Hope this helps.

Suzan

On Jul 6, 2015, at 4:31 AM, Pierre GIRAUD wrote:

Can you please elaborate what a login page I've never seen before
means? Any URL or screenshot you could share?

What's the browser and its version you're using?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Suzan Reed
su...@suzanreed.com
wrote:

Hi Pierre,

I'm working in #1047 with Jim Smith and John Whelan. Here's one of the URLs.
I was to visually check and validate. Since the imagery is poor, and Jim had
already looked at it, I validated it. I can get that far. However, I can't
access any map regardless of the editor selected or project, even Cameroon,
without getting redirected to a login page I've never seen before. If I
login, I'm directed to my profile, and if I then go back to the Tasking
Manager, I'm pushed back through the same loop.

Hope this helps.

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047#task/550

Suzan

Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors.

On July 5, 2015 11:03:23 PM Pierre GIRAUD
pierre.gir...@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi Suzan,

This is really weird.

Can you paste the URL of the project + task you're trying to validate?

Thanks,
Pierre

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Suzan Reed
su...@suzanreed.com
wrote:

I can not access GITHUB to report this.

I have been unable to access tasks. When asked what I want to validate
with and select iD or JOSM, I am directed to a page that asks me login.
However, I am already logged in. When I try to log in, I am redirected to a
page that tells me about a possible Ruby with Rails problem.

Please advise.

Suzan Reed

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Re: [HOT] Difficulty with the Task Manager

2015-07-06 Thread Nick Allen

Suzan,

On the ones I saw today, it was just a case of clicking on the
'authorise' button (I think it was called authorise) - the problem for
you appears to be that the button is missing? I had one user on safari
(macbook), two on linux - firefox chromium.

Nick

On 06/07/15 20:38, Suzan Reed wrote:

Nick,

Please advise exactly what I need to do.

Thanks for your help.

Suzan

On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Nick Allen wrote:

Suzan Pierre,

Good luck

Nick

On 06/07/15 20:26, Suzan Reed wrote:

Pierre,

I'm using Firefox 38.0.5 on a Macbook Pro.

URL to the login page:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/login?referer=%2Fedit%3Feditor%3Did%26#map=11/27.9070579309/83.8806152193comment=%23hotosm-project-1047gpx=http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047/task/612.gpx

Hope this helps.

Suzan

On Jul 6, 2015, at 4:31 AM, Pierre GIRAUD wrote:

Can you please elaborate what a login page I've never seen before
means? Any URL or screenshot you could share?

What's the browser and its version you're using?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Suzan Reed
su...@suzanreed.com
wrote:

Hi Pierre,

Hope this helps.

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047#task/550

Suzan

Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors.

On July 5, 2015 11:03:23 PM Pierre GIRAUD
pierre.gir...@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi Suzan,

This is really weird.

Can you paste the URL of the project + task you're trying to validate?

Thanks,
Pierre

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Suzan Reed
su...@suzanreed.com
wrote:

I can not access GITHUB to report this.

Please advise.

Suzan Reed

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Re: [HOT] Difficulty with the Task Manager

2015-07-06 Thread Nick Allen

Suzan Pierre,

If I may. Because of an update to the Tasking Manager at
http://tasks.hotosm.org/ it now needs to ask permission of
http://www.openstreetmap.org/ to access your account - I've seen it 3
times today amongst a group of people I'm training.

Although, it only caused a temporary hold-up for one person, the other
two were able to authorise first time, by clicking on the authorise
link. The one with the temporary problem we managed to get second time
round.

Good luck

Nick

On 06/07/15 20:26, Suzan Reed wrote:

Pierre,

I'm using Firefox 38.0.5 on a Macbook Pro.

URL to the login page:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/login?referer=%2Fedit%3Feditor%3Did%26#map=11/27.9070579309/83.8806152193comment=%23hotosm-project-1047gpx=http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047/task/612.gpx

Hope this helps.

Suzan

On Jul 6, 2015, at 4:31 AM, Pierre GIRAUD wrote:

Can you please elaborate what a login page I've never seen before
means? Any URL or screenshot you could share?

What's the browser and its version you're using?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote:

Hi Pierre,

Hope this helps.

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047#task/550

Suzan

Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors.

On July 5, 2015 11:03:23 PM Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Suzan,

This is really weird.

Can you paste the URL of the project + task you're trying to validate?

Thanks,
Pierre

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote:

I can not access GITHUB to report this.

Please advise.

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Re: [HOT] Disaster Relief Organizations in Ghana

2015-06-06 Thread Nick Allen

Enoch,

This charity may be able to help as well
http://www.shelterbox.org/

Nick
(OSM=Tallguy)

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On 6 Jun 2015 08:59, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Am Enock from Ghana, I've been a member of HOT for sometime now.

 Ghana have been hit by torrential rainfalls this month, in the news is the
 Accra Explosion [1] and the Floods [2].

 The reason am sending this mail is to ask if someone here knows of any
 relief organizations in Ghana. And suggestions on stuffs included in relief
 packs for affected victims.

 This is because some citizens want to organize relief packs for victims
 and needs some advice and suggestions.

 Best,

 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Accra_explosion
 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Accra_floods


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Re: [HOT] Activations Working Group Meeting Today, 14:00 UTC

2015-06-02 Thread Nick Allen

Blake

Apology for absence.

Im on a train on my way to London for a missing maps mapathon.

Regards

Nick

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:37 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote:


 The Activations WG is meeting today
 Tuesday, Jun. 2nd, 2015 at 14:00 UTC via IRC
 

 Hi all,

 I do not have much of an agenda document yet, but I anticipate the
 meeting will focus on the Nepal activation and the challenges that it
 has presented as well as ideas for improving our ability to deal with
 large influxes of new (and very valuable) mappers.

 It will also cover what more we need to do in the recovery phase of the
 Nepal disaster.

 Other activation briefs are needed as well.

 I will be giving an update on some the Tasking Manager related activities.

 Other activation related agenda items are welcome here:


 https://hackpad.com/Activation-Working-Group-June-2-2015-Meeting-Agenda-lmE16zzOpSK

 General OSM IRC info here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC

 A good, truly free Windows and Linux IRC client is HexChat:
 https://hexchat.github.io/

 You can also try the web based irc client here:
 https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot

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 Our working groups are open to everyone who would like to participate,
 from sitting in and listening, to contributing by helping with action
 items.

 A full list of our working groups and their areas of interest can be
 found here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups

 Working groups are always glad to have people participate and if you
 would like to place something on the agenda of any of the working groups
 just send an email to this email list and someone will make sure it gets
 on the agenda for the next meeting or perhaps the meeting after next and
 let you know so you can attend.

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[HOT] LearnOSM update - OsmAnd 2+ section

2015-05-23 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

New section in LearnOSM for users of OsmAnd - 
http://learnosm.org/en/mobile-mapping/osmand2/


With grateful thanks to Win Olario (gitGOwin) for producing this guide.
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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

2015-05-22 Thread Nick Allen


Suzan,

It will be much better if you report this issue yourself as they may 
need more information from your computer that none of us can provide.


Regards

Nick

On 22/05/15 05:14, Suzan Reed wrote:

Nick and all,

Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below to the issues at 
the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a time trying to provide the feedback at 
that link, and I thought I was pretty good with stuff like that.

Suzan


On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote:

Hi,

https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Should be the place to report problems.

Nick
(OSM=Tallguy)

Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Member

On 21 May 2015 09:25, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote:

For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.

I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or people 
who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?

Suzan

Here are the issues:

1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a dialog 
box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks 
if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over 
write the last Task, doubling the images.

2. Other times another dialog box appears:
Errors occured while trying to save
Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80  (html tags have 
been removed for brevity.)

When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to be 
pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits Save and 
I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue images in the 
left column appear.






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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

2015-05-21 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Should be the place to report problems.

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On 21 May 2015 09:25, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote:

 For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.

 I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or
 people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?

 Suzan

 Here are the issues:

 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a
 dialog box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved,
 and asks if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I
 believe these over write the last Task, doubling the images.

 2. Other times another dialog box appears:
 Errors occured while trying to save
 Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an
 upstream server.
 Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80  (html
 tags have been removed for brevity.)

 When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to
 be pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits
 Save and I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue
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[HOT] LearnOSM - updated section on OSMTracker

2015-05-18 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

As requested, the section of LearnOSM relating to OSMTracker has been 
updated, and is available at 
http://learnosm.org/en/mobile-mapping/osmtracker/


The guide is also available from that link as a .pdf and an .odf 
document. At present this guide is only available in English (the 
Japanese section is now out of date).




Work on updating the OSMand section is in progress.

As usual any feedback, or offers of help, appreciated.

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Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018

2015-05-11 Thread Nick Allen

Barbara,

Go ahead and upload.  Each rectangular buildings is 4 corners (nodes) and a
connecting way.

Removing one building is at least 5 elements.

Worse case scenario is you upload and realise that you've made it worse and
have to ask for a revert by someone.  I think that the need for a revert is
very unlikely.

Hope this is in time.

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On 11 May 2015 12:53, Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de wrote:

 Hello everyone!
 As promided I continued mapping buildings today. I just right now wanted
 to save the changes (nearly 200 buildings, now I know why one should do it
 earlier...) and get a message You are just to delete 466 elements, are you
 sure? Surely I not want to delete these ones but also I want to save my
 200 buildings... Sonmeone here who knows what I did or what I can do now?
 It's again task 1018, #2777.
 Thank your very much and greetings!
 Barbara

 *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:22 Uhr
 *Von:* Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de
 *An:* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
 *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
   Thanks for the words and information, so I will continue mapping
 buildings!
 Greetings,
 Barbara

 *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:08 Uhr
 *Von:* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
 *An:* Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de
 *Cc:* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr, hot@openstreetmap.org 
 hot@openstreetmap.org
 *Betreff:* Re: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
  Pierre says it best but my thoughts follow.

 To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal.  Within a
 tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one
 remember the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings
 for that user in one keystroke.

 As a beginner I suggest you don't correct odd areas, let someone else do
 the dirty deed, it saves having upset users and sometimes its just a matter
 of someone forgetting to tag it and often an experienced mapper can glance
 at it and give it a tag.

 Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay away from these in Nepal and
 I'm fairly experienced.  There are a number of terraces, the land can be
 quite steep so even though two ends of a path may look close together
 reality is its a long drop between the two.

 For the moment I'd just add buildings, if you can manage to use JOSM and
 the building_tool plugin, you'll need the remote control plugin as well
 you'll find it's very easy to use and produces squared buildings correctly
 tagged and we have a lot of buildings to add.

 Cheerio John

 On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge bfi...@web.de wrote:

   Hi to everyone,
 I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped -
 mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some
 paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the
 mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before
 starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am
 learning a lot.
 Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and
 so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of
 the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of
 buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.
 Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some
 areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall
 I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing
 list conversation?
 There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away
 from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?
 And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching
 the number or must I search inside the map?
 Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people
 are doing great work!
 Barbara
 barbaraulrike in osm

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 *An:* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr
 *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
 *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
   I think I'm moderately experienced in mapping.  In West Africa I'm
 very comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I know what a building
 looks like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable with, there is a
 lot of distracting detail on the images.  Do I validate and clean up the
 building and tag side?  Or just add a few more buildings?

 Thoughts?

 Thanks John

 On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

  We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency.
 We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to
 crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.

 I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize
 validating

[HOT] LearnOSM statistics May 2015

2015-05-10 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

Whilst discussing the best way forward with training, the statistics
from this page may be of interest:

http://piwik.hotosm.org/index.php?module=CoreHomeaction=indexidSite=3period=monthdate=2015-05-01#/module=Actionsaction=menuGetPageUrlsidSite=3period=monthdate=2015-05-01

You'll have noticed the 10,121 visitors so far this month.

LearnOSM is not perfect, in fact far from it. It does provide a central
link which is 'owned' by HOT, and when training guides, video's,
screencasts, etc.. are being produced, can I suggest you consider
visiting https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm, and submitting a pull
request or an issue, so that we can link to the new guide.

As several people have commented - there's no shortage of sites with
guides how to get started. In my opinion, the problem is more to do with
filtering them, so that you only get the newest best. It is very
difficult to tell what is maintained, what is not, and whether the
advice is correct or not. Personally I will try to go back to the wiki
articles I have been involved in during the past few years and updating
them - I'm pretty well constantly updating, reviewing and adding to
LearnOSM - any help appreciated!

Let's not throw away that which is good, but instead try to build from it.

When we discuss ways forward, funding and grants, please remember that
everything requires the attention of the Tech team. I'm not a member and
have no connections with them, but I do know that if we don't support
them in whatever they need to make these thoughts actually happen, then
it is just so much hot air.

Regards please keep mapping - we need you all!
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Re: [HOT] Technical question can JAVA be run from a USB stick?

2015-05-10 Thread Nick Allen


John,

See http://portableapps.com/

It's free  opensource. I haven't tried it, but it is listed as being 
able to deal with JAVA  JOSM.


Nick

On 10/05/15 17:10, john whelan wrote:
I know JOSM can be and if it could then it could address the concern 
about having to install software on the machine besides having it 
available with the right plugins.


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Re: [HOT] JOSM Banner about imagery might be misaligned?

2015-05-08 Thread Nick Allen

Tom,

To remove the banner, click on th 'x' at its end.

Nick
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On 8 May 2015 03:33, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote:

  Hi Tom,

 Do not worry about it. It is just a standard warning, that is usually
 displayed the first time JOSM users load Bing imagery, and that you got now
 for some mysterious reason. (Maybe something cookie-style, that hadn't been
 set before).

 You can keep mapping :)

 Bing is apparently one of the best aligned OSM sources in Nepal.

 And thank you for your contribution.

 Jean-Guilhem


 Le 08/05/2015 01:53, Tom McDonald a écrit :

 Today, whenever I load Bing imagery in JOSM I get a banner at the top with
 the message:

  Aerial imagery might be misaligned. Please check its offset using GPS
 tracks!


  Anyone know why this is happening now and never before?

 I tried IRC but no joy. I even reinstalled JOSM, tried JOSM on a new
 computer, same thing.

  For example, a old, validated, tile that I know was Clean before is
 Task/square #1419 in Project #1018.

  I am afraid to, and will not, do any more work until I understand what
 is going on here.

  Why is this happening?

  Tom



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Re: [HOT] #1018 squaring buildings

2015-05-08 Thread Nick Allen

Tom,

Also described here

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#stats-tab

Good luck

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On 8 May 2015 16:41, Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 You should be able to know exactly what tasks you have worked on by
 hovering the line with your name on the stats tab. The corresponding
 tasks should be highlighted on the map.

 Does it make sense?

 Pierre

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Tom Ayerst tom.aye...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am guilty of this.  I did not realise there was a squaring tool on the
 ID
  editor (There is, its in the halo of tools round an existing feature).  I
  have been picking tasks at random, is there a way of finding which areas
 I
  have worked on so I can go back and fix the buildings I have drawn?
 
  Thank you
 
  Tom
 
  On 5 May 2015 at 10:36, m902 m902@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
  I've noticed a number of new mappers not squaring buildings for #1018.
  Could the instructions be updated to ask for buildings to be squared?
  It looks wrong to me, and I will always square buildings (unless they
 are
  obviously not square, of course).
  Perhaps it doesn't matter?
  Thanks
  Martin
 
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[HOT] Seasonal or Intermittent

2015-05-06 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

I'm just updating part of LearnOSM 
(http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote-tracing/), and need to 
clarify which is the correct tag for a stream, river or other feature 
that is only present for part of the year. My initial understanding was:

seasonal=yes as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal

But I started altering this a little while ago due to a conversation on 
this mailing list, and was using

intermittent=yes  as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent

However, Highway Tag Africa 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa#Seasonal_roads 
goes with seasonal=yes


I don't mind which we go with, but it would be good if we advocated the 
same one, although I'm sure software writers, GIS experts and map makers 
can easily cater for either tag.


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Re: [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features?

2015-05-05 Thread Nick Allen

Laura,

I think you're describing the function of building tools helpful when
tracing a row of parallel buildings.

Trace one building,  select it and leave it selected.  Each building
thereafter can be traced with 2 clicks and will be parallel to the already
selected one.

As Julian said, make sure you have nothing selected. Pressing escape I
think will deselect.

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On 5 May 2015 23:45, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 For the building_tool press escape if it plays up.  Generally its OK but
 if its if the static levels are high I sometimes find a moist or damp cloth
 helps wiped across the pad.  ie hardware issue it doesn't seem to play up
 with an external mouse.

 Cheerio John

 On 5 May 2015 at 18:32, laura brittain l.n.britt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Steve,
 And another question for anyone:
 Does anyone know how to make the JOSM building tools plug-in behave?
 It works for awhile and then automatically starts making rectangles with
 only two clicks. And not in the right directions.
 I can't find any trouble shooting online for this plug in, even after
 reading the wiki for it.

 Also, the full tags mentioned by everyone aren't presets in JOSM or ID
 editor, are they?
 Do you enter them manually?
 Is there a way to script this in the online editor?
 Charlotte tried to help me but it's over my head.

 I'm mainly using ID editor.

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Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

2015-05-05 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

See http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/ as well.

May help with some of the queries.

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On 6 May 2015 00:22, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Springfield,

 The informations about the various communication channels are at the
 beginning of the wiki for the Nepal response.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
 IRC is a tool similar to Skype. The difference, it is a public forum. You
 simply connect and provide a nickname to identify yourself. You follow the
 discussion, present yourself, ask questions, comment discussions. We plan
 to eventually integrate such a tool directly into the Tasking Manager. This
 way, it would be easy for the new contributors to exchange with the more
 experienced contributors.
 https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot

 regard

 Pierre

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 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

 I couldn't find  a thing on the IRC, I thought it was something to do with
 the Intl Red Cross, silly me.
 Information sources are hugely fragmented.  I don't get a sense of
 leadership, just random action.
 I'm not sure if succesful GIS is a crowd activity.
 I've asked but heard nothing about the end use of all this activity.  Is
 it serving the folks on the ground?
 Cheers . . . . .   Spring
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 On May 5, 2015 2:59 PM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote:

 Dear Blake,

 It would be great if you could answer this on the list as I have many of
 the same questions.

 MingyurPema


 On May 5, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Blake Girardot wrote:

 I am going to answer some of this via irc.

 Cheers,
 Blake


 On 5/5/2015 5:34 PM, Katja Ulbert wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I am a newbie coming up with a few questions, It would be great if
  someone with more knowledge could take the time to answer them. They
  don´t have to be answered here and now or via mailinglist, I am also on
  IRC #hot as katjaulbert. I am mapping in task #1018.
 
  1) Paths: I have come across some that are obviously connected but there
  are small areas where I cant´t follow their course. Same with paths that
  lead into forests, where they disappear and reappear on the other side.
  Should I connect them? I don´t think it´s useful to have tiny bits of
  paths in the map or paths that lead into nowhere.
 
  2) I need advice to distinguish dried waterways from paths. Waterways
  seem to be much broader and uneven and often accompanied from paths.
 
  3) Tags: I cant´t find some tags that are advised in the task
  instruction, for example bridge=supension. Are there any presets I
  forgot to load?
 
  4) Imagery: I use Bing and Mapbox, are there any more sources? Also, is
  there a way to digitally zoom Mapbox imagery? Sometimes it´s easier to
  spot things with Mapbox, especially paths, but it stops displaying at
  some point.
 
  Thanks for taking time!
 
  Regards
 
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Re: [HOT] Bad image quality

2015-05-05 Thread Nick Allen

Jean-Guilhem

Thanks for that. I'm only using my phone at the moment and was having
problems trying to find an answer.

Greg,

Jean-Guilhem is the real expert on this.  Get back in touch if still having
problems.

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On 5 May 2015 08:00, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote:

 Hi Greg,

 You can also try with the post-event DigitalGlobe imagery, that has a
 broad coverage, including of the area near Borang where you are mapping.

 It is for example linked from the instructions for job 1030
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030

 URL for JOSM:

 tms:
 http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_digitalglobe_wms_proxy/{zoom}/{x}/{y}


 and for iD:


 http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_digitalglobe_wms_proxy/{z}/{x}/{y}



 I think there was also some imagery for Borang made available by HIU
 (may be the same or not).

 Best wishes,

 Jean-Guilhem


 Le 05/05/2015 00:11, Gregory Trolliet a écrit :
  Hey Nick,
 
  Thanks for your answer, I didn't got any other.
  The problem was on this task :
  http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018#task/2058
  I switched to JOSM but still, with Bing or MapBox Satelite, I got only
  a realy bad resolution. I was wondering if it was possible to have a
  better source.
  Could you check for me?
 
  Sorry, I just start maping here :D
  Thanks for your answers and please forgive my bad english, not my main
  language...
 
  Cheers.
  Greg
 
  Le 04.05.2015 22:12, Nick Allen a écrit :
   Greg,
 
   Not sure if your question got overlooked.  Can you clarify which
   project you're looking at?
 
   Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
 
   dodgy didgits as using a phone with a spell chequer.
 
   Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Member
 
   On 4 May 2015 10:02, Gregory Trolliet
   gregory.troll...@openmailbox.org
   mailto:gregory.troll...@openmailbox.org wrote:
 
   Hey guys,
 
   I'm kinda new here and I'm mostly marking houses and roads for now.
   I am editing with the iD editor. I tried to do the task #2058 but
   the image quality is realy poor. I've seen somebody put some houses
   (which is impossible with this image quality), how did he find this
   out? Is there an option to have a better image quality image?
 
   Thanks for the answers. Greg
 
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Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery

2015-05-04 Thread Nick Allen

Excuse the dodgy typing from my phone.

This may help

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map

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On 4 May 2015 06:07, graham gra...@klunky.co.uk wrote:

  Hi,




 I am new the HOT OSM as well, and am also finding line work not aligned to 
 imagery.




 An example might be a line that has been delineated generally following the 
 road but plotted either side of the pixels representing the road. In such a 
 case, I would

 initially presume that the scale at which the user delineated the road was 
 too small.




 This begs the question, is there a standard scale at which we need to 
 interpret the imagery? Is there official documentation or a blog on 
 guidelines on this subject?





 Graham


 On 04/05/15 07:26, Kretzer wrote:

 Hi Joshua,
 if you do the fix alignment, you actually move the image, not the data. As 
 far as I know usually Bing is used as the reference imagery, so I would not 
 adjust that. If the other shapes are not aligned, the other people have 
 probably used different imagery and not adjusted that.

 Probably there are only some shapes in the wrong place, not all? Then you can 
 adjust those manually or ignore them and ad your features with the default 
 alignment.

 Experts jump in please, if I am wrong here.




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 Hi

 I'm new to HOT and I'm using the iD editor.
 I'm looking at an area that has shapes which do not align with the
 Bing imagery.  Should I use the fix alignment tool before I add
 additional data or just add the features as they appear with the
 current alignment?

 Thanks

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Re: [HOT] Bad image quality

2015-05-04 Thread Nick Allen

Greg,

Not sure if your question got overlooked.  Can you clarify which project
you're looking at?

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 Hey guys,

 I'm kinda new here and I'm mostly marking houses and roads for now. I
 am editing with the iD editor.
 I tried to do the task #2058 but the image quality is realy poor. I've
 seen somebody put some houses (which is impossible with this image
 quality), how did he find this out? Is there an option to have a
 better image quality image?

 Thanks for the answers.
 Greg
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Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?

2015-04-30 Thread Nick Allen

Henri

Using my phone so briefly - see here

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id

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On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote:

 Hello,



 I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings
 regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I
 haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed
 it).

 E.g.,

 1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile, how far
 should I digitize it? Only to the border of my task tile or as far as it
 goes?

 2) if I find mistakes from the edge area that are within another tile or
 that goes beyond my own tile, what should I do?

 and in general 3) how are roads/tracks connected between the tiles?



 For example this morning I edited a tile which had a lot of features that
 were poor in quality. A lot of this data was in another tiles area (landuse
 = residential). I get it that editing another tiles area might create
 problems, but in the other hand leaving poor quality data isn’t any good
 either.



 Link to task instructions: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1009



 Best regards,

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Re: [HOT] round houses / huts + (Nepal HOT mapping)

2015-04-30 Thread Nick Allen

Hi,

Please see
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id
and it's following section about buildings and huts.

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On 30 Apr 2015 08:50, super abnormal superabnor...@me.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 1) Big question:

 There are a lot of round structures in rural Nepal. Some are solid two
 story houses, others are more like shelters for those working in fields to
 rest in during the heat of the day. Others look like haystacks or storage
 structures.  However, I'm not seeing many round buildings marked on squares
 i've looked at. Have others come across this too?

 I've been ommitting them since nobody else I could see was including them
 - but I'm starting to realise others' examples not necessarily the best
 things to follow(!) Should we mark them as building=hut to seperate them
 from those that are clearly houses?   The verify wiki page has similar
 looking round structures to what i refer - but what about when they are in
 the middle of a field/hill-side?

 2) Some smaller points, that could be added to instructions at start - or
 tips that could be sent out via @hotosm twitter feed:

 - if you're newish to osm, don't verify (leave that to those who've been
 doing it longer)
 - zoom in close for tracing buildings (e.g. till 50ft shows on scale
 bottom left of screen on iD editor)
 - watch out for building hidden under the residential area lines or lines
 where people have marked forests
 - (should we be marking forests?)
 - toggle layers on/off to see what things you might be missing
 - what to do when features traverse adjacent squares? (finish the first
 one then check out the second one and join them up is what i've been doing)

 3) Last but not least --- can we point new mappers to one or more
 perfectly mapped and verified beautiful example square(s) somewhere?
 Quickest way to get up to speed on specific hot needs would be to follow a
 really good example and refer back to it to check when we need to.

 Ok, back to editing…


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Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?

2015-04-30 Thread Nick Allen


Suzan

The validators can send messages using the Tasking Manager - that  
numerous other details are listed in


http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/

The wiki entry on validating also contains info. Not everyone sends a 
message, and often you don't need to. You can find the squares you have 
completed  check for comments, or a message can be sent.


We need to find ways of improving the searching  listing with LearnOSM 
- we're  aware that it's difficult to navigate, but we are a very small 
team with a lot to do (sounds familiar!).


Regards

Nick

On 30/04/15 10:05, Suzan Reed wrote:

So Nick, when we finish a square/tile/project and someone looks to validate it, 
we get feedback? We are told what we did right and what we did wrong?

Suzan



On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:57 AM, Nick Allen wrote:

Henri  all, especially any 'new mappers'

We need two things which sometimes are in conflict with each other.

1.  We're all part of a team, and we need to help each other without causing 
offence. We all make mistakes, and it's nice to have someone help us when we do 
- so validators, please consider putting links to help pages when you are 
'validating' - I've listed LearnOSM because I know where they are, but there 
are other excellent resources such as MapGive, tracing guides, quick start 
guides. LearnOSM has largely been translated into numerous languages so you may 
consider sending the link in a different language - select the feature in your 
editor, then press 'Ctrl+h' to see the history of the editing, which will tell 
you who did it, rather than who updated Task Manager which is often different. 
Always make sure the guide you are referring to has the same instructions as 
the particular task/project, because they do vary.
 Mapping at the edge of a square 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---josm
 or http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#initial-view---id

 The highway network  more info about highways
 http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map

 Residential boundary
 http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#residential-boundaries

 Buildings, including round huts
 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers

 
2. The quality control for the particular project / task.


In you're particular case, I would finish my square  then log into that adjacent 
square  correct the mistakes - but only if   I am certain I am correct, 
because otherwise it's very embarrassing!


 Henri - you're starting to think like a validator - please see 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data which was 
based upon work by Severin. If you are not ready to validate yet, then you've made 
a good start because you've started to realise what's needed.

I'm pleased to say I'm still learning - I spend part of my time learning  part 
helping with the mapping. Its a big subject  I just hope we don't lose everyone 
once this drops out of the news headlines. The Aid Organisations (NGO's) are dealing 
with IDP's (Internally Displaced Persons) all of the time and have a full time staff to 
do so - the need for adequate mapping will not stop with Nepal.

Thanks  I hope to see more of your work in the future.

Regards

Nick (Tallguy)
tried to keep it brief, but didn't work!

On 30/04/15 09:05, Henri Riihimäki wrote:

Thanks Nick!
  
In my case the features didn’t go only a little into the other tile, they went a lot (e.g. they were not ‘handed over’). The edge area instructions could be shortly mentioned with the task instructions (sort of Do’s and Dont’s ) so this kind of mistakes could be avoided. What would be the proper way to correct them? Should I do it as I spot the mistake or should I leave it to the person editing the other tile (note: I have no idea whether the other guy has noticed the mistake). I also find it problematic that I can’t see the features that exist outside of my square, is there a way to see them? (I’m using JOSM)
  
Henri
  
From: Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com]

Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2015 10:46
To: Henri Riihimäki
Cc: HOT@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] How to handle task edge areas correctly?
  
Henri

Using my phone so briefly - see here
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#checking-on-the-existing-data---id
Nick
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On 30 Apr 2015 08:41, Henri Riihimäki henri.riihim...@helsinki.fi wrote:
Hello,
  
I am a beginner with HOT OSM. So far I’ve mostly digitized buildings regarding the Gorkha task (#1009). I’ve read the beginners tutorials but I haven’t seen what is the proper way to handle edge areas (maybe I’ve missed it).

E.g.,
1) if I find a road/path/track how that goes beyond my tile

Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

2015-04-29 Thread Nick Allen

Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/   could you
give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make it
useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the
site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us are
aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

Nick

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On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, Jonathan Webb jonat...@jwebbgis.co.uk wrote:

  I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist  learnt on the job
 and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly capable
 of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

 As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of guidance
 and aims.

 I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been
 trying to find out what to do  how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I
 have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to learn)
 people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the
 signposts to learning should be given great prominence  be unmissable?

 Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping ?  In
 an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a
 feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor
 imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to
 even include it.

 Jonathan Webb

 *
 * As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
 ** disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
 ** couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO*




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[HOT] Potlatch 2 Tasking Manager - outline boundary of square

2015-04-29 Thread Nick Allen


Sam,

1. Tasking Manager - obtain your square,
2. Tasking Manager - select 'edit with JOSM' and under the words 'edit 
with josm' you will see a line of text 'Tip:Download the following gpx 
file ...'

3. click on download file  make a note where you put it.
4. Tasking Manager - using the dropdown list, change from JOSM to 
'Potlatch 2' - this will open in a new tab,
5. Potlatch 2, select Background / Vector File - use the menu to load 
the gpx file you downloaded.
6. Make sure there is a tick in the 'show' column before you close the 
window down.
7. Potlatch should now display the boundary as a square - blue in my 
case. Potlatch will still download data outside the area, so be careful 
about watching for the boundary.


Any feedback on this process appreciated - if there are any experts on 
Potlatch who have better guidance, please supply it.


I'll add it to my ToDo list to get a section into LearnOSM  update the 
wiki, but I have got a lot of commitments over the next couple of weeks, 
so please have patience.


Good luck  thank you for persevering.  Life moves on so quickly it's 
sometimes difficult to keep the manual up to date.


Regards

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Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

2015-04-29 Thread Nick Allen

Sam,

I don't know how current it is but there is a section here

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager

About potlatch and the tasking manager. If you feedback to me or the list
about its usefulness I'll try to get it updated.

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On 29 Apr 2015 16:45, Sam gurl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Also a newbie but with many years experience in digital maps so trying to
 learn on the fly but agree with Jon on disparate nature of info and am
 happy to help with that. For now there is one thing I can't find and maybe
 someone can help me - some info on using plotlatch with the task manager,
 for example i can't figure out how to see if i'm still in my own tile
 except for a visual check which is hard on busy tiles. is there a way to
 check tile bounding box coordinates in the task manager??

 many thanks!!

 sam
 ᐧ

 On 29 April 2015 at 17:16, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Filipe, those are good general references. There are Nepal-specific
 tracing and tagging tips on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide,
 especially see the Common Features and Tagging sections.

 Cheers, Brad

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Filipe Santana Lopes 
 santana.gis.consult...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Jonathan,

 Some more information you have on the wiki page of openstreetmap:

 How to tag highways (roads, paths, etc):
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway

 How to tag waterways:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway

 How to tag buldings:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

 Give only information in, of you are certain about.

 When you are saving the information, tell what you have done, and what
 is still missing mapping in that field.

 Best regards,
 Filipe Santana Lopes

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 2015-04-29 14:13 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com:

 Jonathan,

 Thank you for the feedback which is exactly what we need.

 Have you looked at http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/  
 could you give some feedback on it - I am one of the people who try to make
 it useful. Feedback can be given by clicking on the pencil symbol on the
 site,  sending an email to me,  or in a number of other ways.

 Also,  where and how would you expect links to resources - many of us
 are aware of the need and need feedback on the how.

 Nick

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 On 29 Apr 2015 13:45, Jonathan Webb jonat...@jwebbgis.co.uk wrote:

  I am one of the newcomers. I am not a GIS scientist  learnt on the
 job and am relatively lightweight, however I know that I am perfectly
 capable of making a contribution but the (HOT)OSM process is not clear:

 As is mentioned in several previous posts*, there is a lack of
 guidance and aims.

 I have spent most of this morning not contributing because I have been
 trying to find out what to do  how to do it.  I am not stupid and if I
 have missed a link to instructions, then  how many other (willing to 
 learn)
 people have?  As part of the strategy to maintain quality, surely the
 signposts to learning should be given great prominence  be unmissable?

 Are the aims of disaster mapping different to those of other mapping
 ?  In an non-emergency one can spend some time trying to work out what a
 feature's properties are.  Also, for example, how to interpret from poor
 imagery say a path or track is it suitable for vehicles etc, or whether to
 even include it.

 Jonathan Webb

 *
 * As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
 ** disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I 
 actually
 ** couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) CLKAO*




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Re: [HOT] potlatch2 Tasking Manager Square

2015-04-29 Thread Nick Allen


Brad,

Thanks for doing that - it looks great.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager#Adding_the_grid_square_to_Potlatch

Nick

On 29/04/15 17:52, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
Works great! I'll update the Tasking Manager wiki page if you don't 
beat me to it. Thanks!


On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com 
mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote:



Sam,

1. Tasking Manager - obtain your square,
2. Tasking Manager - select 'edit with JOSM' and under the words
'edit with josm' you will see a line of text 'Tip:Download the
following gpx file ...'
3. click on download file  make a note where you put it.
4. Tasking Manager - using the dropdown list, change from JOSM to
'Potlatch 2' - this will open in a new tab,
5. Potlatch 2, select Background / Vector File - use the menu to
load the gpx file you downloaded.
6. Make sure there is a tick in the 'show' column before you close
the window down.
7. Potlatch should now display the boundary as a square - blue in
my case. Potlatch will still download data outside the area, so be
careful about watching for the boundary.

Any feedback on this process appreciated - if there are any
experts on Potlatch who have better guidance, please supply it.

I'll add it to my ToDo list to get a section into LearnOSM 
update the wiki, but I have got a lot of commitments over the next
couple of weeks, so please have patience.

Good luck  thank you for persevering.  Life moves on so quickly
it's sometimes difficult to keep the manual up to date.

Regards

Nick

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Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 62, Issue 36

2015-04-28 Thread Nick Allen


John,

As well as the very good Mapgive site, could I suggest that someone has 
a read through http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/ which 
includes links to the section about the Tasking Manager. Although there 
will always be mistakes, the main point to watch out for, is that only 
experienced mappers should be carrying out the validation.


When all of the squares of a project are taken  the mapper clicks on 
the 'take a task at random' link, the software can present a mapper with 
a square for validation instead - it does give a warning about this, but 
it is easily misunderstood, or not seen at all - hence a new mapper can 
unwittingly end up marking a square as 'validated'.


Good luck  thanks for this initiative - it is worthwhile!

Regards

Nick

On 28/04/15 09:51, John Andersson wrote:

Hi everybody,

At Wikimedia Sverige we quickly started organizing an event at our 
office in Stockholm when we heard about the earthquake (we started the 
work before I read about the problems that you have experienced). The 
event will take place on the 29 April.


I have asked the participants to go through the videos at Mapgive, and 
me and my colleague will help guide the beginners as well. I have 
participated in a number of tasks the last years and can surely help 
them avoid stuff like not connecting lines etc., but I do not consider 
myself an expert, so any further pointers would be welcome. Also, if 
you have a good presentation for HOT ready that you would be willing 
to share, please email me. Finally, if there is a specific task in the 
task manager http://tasks.hotosm.org/that we should focus on, please 
let me know.


We have invited local OSM experts through the OSM Sweden mailing list, 
but I have not received any replies yet.


Best,

John
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Re: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak UNMEER Routing : Data Collection

2015-03-27 Thread Nick Allen


Tom,

Thanks for your interest in this. The site is maintained at 
https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm, and the instructions on updating it 
are found at 
https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md


I also have a repository where I've been testing things out, and I have 
notes there on how to set up  maintain the files on my laptop after a 
crash - they are not in a fit state to be published, but I successfully 
used them when I recently changed my laptop. The notes are within the 
issues here:


https://github.com/Nick-Tallguy/Testing_learnosm/issues

If you do use my notes, I'd be interested in feedback as some could be 
incorporated into a quickstart guide.


Regards

Nick


On 27/03/15 18:12, Tom Taylor wrote:
I don't know anything about the tools, but I'm good at documentation 
and this seems to be a chance for me to learn. If there is a formal 
LearnOSM project, how do I join and what E-mail lists should I sign up 
for?


Tom Taylor
tomt5454

On 27/03/2015 8:17 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:

Thanks Nick

Badly, the LearnOSM table of contents do not yet mention it. Blake also
mentionned to me after I sent this email.

We need solutions to facilitate the management of the LearnOSM project.
Let's hope that we will have the possibility to progress on this over
the next year.
regard

Pierre


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*Envoyé le :* Vendredi 27 mars 2015 7h46
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak UNMEER Routing : Data Collection

Pierre,

This section of LearnOSM;

http://learnosm.org/en/mobile-mapping/osmand/

has sections on both OSMand  OSMTracker, but they are probably in need
of a review. I've been a long time user of both, and each has evolved,
but the principles in LearnOSM will probably be enough to get someone
started. The last time I checked on the stats, they were one of the most
visited sections of LearnOSM

There has been a recent discussion thread on the googleGroups OSMand
section, and someone has posted this link (I haven't had the chance to
fully read it yet)

https://joostschouppe.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/using-osmand-on-the-road/

Also, the OSMand site itself http://osmand.net/ which contains some 
info.


And lastly, and the one I find easiest - on the app. itself, click on
the question mark and a help screen with links appears.

I'd like to check the LearnOSM site on these subjects, but am completely
swamped at the moment, so can only offer to 'try when I can'.

I hope this helps.

Regards

Nick


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Re: [HOT] Gentle grump

2015-03-07 Thread Nick Allen


John,

Thanks for that - you've got some very good ideas there.

I've created issue https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/issues/334

for learnOSM so we don't lose it  can incorporate when we get the chance.

Thanks again.

Nick

On 07/03/15 12:02, john whelan wrote:

Thank you for testing it.

The grab handle needs to be added, press and hold the right mouse 
button then move the mouse.


From the mapper's point of view the building tool is very nice as you 
say, marking the settlements then tagging them all once is much faster 
so you feel as if you are accomplishing more.


From the maps point of view we get less wasted effort and we get a 
cleaner map.  I've changed hundreds if not thousands of area=yes to 
building=yes tags, JOSM will tell you if two highways are almost 
touching, this is important for routing. It will spot duplicate 
buildings, and I've seen a number of these, sometimes both have the 
same author on them.


Perhaps someone could add/incorporate this idiot guide to the learn 
OSM page?  It would need to be extended to include the grab handle.


Thanks

Cheerio John

On 7 March 2015 at 02:41, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org 
mailto:r...@ganymede.org wrote:



John -

Wow. That was actually an amazing help.

I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone
doing it the first time without this level of detail.

I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like
what we
have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to
JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes
sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a grab
tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps.

And your hit-update-but-dont workflow is brilliant, but the fact
that
it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it
suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see.

I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get
where I need to go.

It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is
fantastic.

Well, onward and upward.

- ray


On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500
john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Right the basic idiot guide.

 First write down your OSM userid and password.

 For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings.
 Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we
 like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential.

 Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the
 bottom.

 We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to
 map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the
 left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest.

 Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button.
 Download the list.  Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical
 order, click it and ignore the rest.

 go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917

 Read the instructions.

 Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM.

 Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM
 map for the tile.

 We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File,
Edit etc
 until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so
select
 Bing.

 Now we need to trace over the image.  We'll use two buttons directly
 under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes.
 Hover the mouse over them to display the tags.

 Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90
 meters shows on the scale.  Personally I start at the top right
 corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image.

 The following is not the official way to do things but its
fast.  Draw
 round each settlement but don't tag it.  If you're lucky enough to
 find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag
 it.  As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. 
Stick

 to one type of highway omit the others for the moment.

 The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools.

 When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload.  On
 the right  hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation
 Results box, click on the + by the warning.  You'll see untagged
 ways.  Highlight the untagged ways and select them.

 In tags Add landuse=residential to them all.

 Click the upload button once more, again you'll get a warning this
 time saying landuse residential has unclosed ways, select these as a
 group.

 In tags Edit and change the tag to highway=unclassified.

 Now upload.  You may need your OSM userid and password at this

Re: [HOT] building=hut task 892

2015-02-16 Thread Nick Allen

Hi John,

I'm willing to be corrected, but I think we're currently going with
building=yes for all shapes of building. Reading through that particular
project instructions, it doesn't look as if buildings need to be traced at
the moment, just residential boundaries. The problem comes when you find
one or two buildings which you think are some kind of farm building, when
you're only option is to trace the building outline, and if you can find a
road or definite farm area, tag appropriately.

I don't know if this would help, but this is the section on LearnOSM about
buildings
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers

Regards

Nick

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On 17 February 2015 at 00:03, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dumb question will these be found?  What is the recommended way to map
 them?
 I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape.

 Found whilst validating.

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Re: [HOT] Validation

2015-02-15 Thread Nick Allen

John,

I tend to vary it a bit - My normal comment in the box is something like
'imagery was probably slow to load which is why they were missed', but then
I often add a link to something like
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers
and a casual comment about round huts being explained there, just in case
the mapper isn't recognising them.

Sometimes I'm quite happy to do a lot of missed mapping on the basis that
it can be quite relaxing  pleasant to do so!  If I do add the missing
bits, I normally still add the link  send the message just in case there
is a learning point. When I'm validating for a mapathon I try to actually
see the mapper  get them to add the missing bits.

Although quality control is important, helping each other is more
important. I don't like to see squares invalidated for little reason as it
tends to lead to ill feeling.

I only ever invalidate if there is a lot missing though - we can all miss a
couple of buildings on occasion. I have genuinely had imagery fail to load
properly, so I missed an entire area at one point, and only picked up on it
when working on the adjoining square  realising there had to be something
I had missed.

Keep up the good work.

Regards

NIck
(Tallguy)

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On 15 February 2015 at 23:55, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a
 dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do.
 Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot.

 Question at what point should I invalidate?  The question arises when
 perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm
 fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in
 the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen
 settlements and no one else will be validating.

 I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a
 concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the
 moment we have a lot of tiles to map.

 Thanks

 Cheerio John

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[HOT] desktop guide for print based upon http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/

2015-02-06 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

For those of you helping out or organising Mapathons.

Printable desktop guides based upon 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/, but incorporating parts of 
the sign up process  Tasking Manager sections from elsewhere within 
LearnOSM are now available to download. The documents include a Table of 
Contents - links to the downloads are at the start of 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/


English only at this stage.

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[HOT] LearnOSM - updates

2015-01-27 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

LearnOSM has been updated recently - in fact its under constant review  
update.


There are now significant parts of the site available in German, thanks 
to the efforts of Michael63-osm.


There are also additions to the Remote, Armchair  Mapathon section, 
including sections on (I've listed them this way as validators may find 
it handy to paste these links into feedback when validating squares);


http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#roads

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#the-highway-network

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#residential-boundaries

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#landuseresidential---how-to-map

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings---how-to-map

As usual, any feedback gratefully received.

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[HOT] London Missing Maps Mapathon yesterday

2014-12-16 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

An enormous bit thank you to all the people who did all the hard work to 
make yesterdays mapathon in London so successful. I made the mistake of 
not asking how many people were in the room, but at one point I saw that 
over 40 squares were locked on one of the tasks, and that would have 
been in addition to the small team of people who were doing some validating.


I've done a small diary entry here: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy/diary/28244 and I'm sure we 
will see a few pictures appearing soon. With many people coming along 
for the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th session the standard of mapping is 
improving all the time, and it is really good now to be able to have 
some of our mappers validating the work of others.


But  The biggest thanks must go to all those people who willingly 
give up their time  skills - Thank You 


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[HOT] New section on LearnOSM for Remote, Armchair or Mapathon mappers

2014-12-10 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/

is a new section of LearnOSM specifically aimed at anyone who may be 
starting out with OSM  particularly HOT. Obvioiusly the best form of 
any teaching is 1 to 1, but if you have volunteers who can't get to the 
mapathon you are involved in, this section of LearnOSM may help them.


It is new, and there are plans to expand it considerably, including 
sections on landuse=residential, buildings, and all the features we 
currently expect to add to OSM via the Tasking Manager.


Please check back on it at intervals to see if it covers your needs - 
progress is slow as it takes far more time to write about it than it 
does to actually map it!


There are links from the site for feedback or if you would like to offer 
your help in translating this, or any other sections of the site.


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Re: [HOT] Activation Working Group Meeting today 14 UTC

2014-12-09 Thread Nick Allen

Sorry, will miss the start but may be able to join you later.

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On 9 Dec 2014 12:12, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Just a reminder the Activation Working Group meeting will happen today at
 14 UTC, as we are the 2nd Tuesday of the month, on the #hot IRC channel on
 OFTC Click here http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ if you do not have an IRC
 client, put an nickname and select the #hot channel at the very bottom of
 the list before logging. If you do not know what IRC is, it is basically an
 open platform for texting online in thematic rooms).

 For those who think Working Group are Only for top experienced people,
 get away from there, newcomers!: *you are wrong*.

 *It is for everybody and I would say especially for newcomers. Because we
 need more and more people involved in the activations, not only on mapping
 tasks.*

 Monitoring humanitarian documentation (to identify crisis we could help +
 prioritizing mapping in current activations when not specifically requested
 by humanitarian organizations), update the wikis, participate to specific
 mapping workflows and imports, validation, contacts with other mappers,
 etc. If you get bored by only tracing building, there are many ways to
 contribute in other ways.

 Providing feedback, suggesting is what any newcomer can do, and it is
 almost always very useful because it can either provide new good ideas or
 simply pointing out some things should be explained/described better for
 people contributing more easily and better.

 See you there at the meeting,

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Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel

2014-11-11 Thread Nick Allen


Sander  Pierre,

I've expanded the entry in LearnOSM in line with the emails. If you can 
have a quick check for accuracy I'd be grateful:


http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#getting-live-help

Regards

Nick

On 10/11/14 15:54, Pierre Béland wrote:

Sander

Thanks to documenting this.

We will have have to synchronize ourselves and use the same link. It 
has been suggested to use this link that I find more intuitive for 
newcomers : https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot


I have added this link in some TM jobs since this Kiwiirc instance is 
easier.  It is now added also otn the Task Manager front page. I 
suggest that both the Task Manager front page and the LearnOSM refer 
to this instance.

Pierre


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*Envoyé le :* Lundi 10 novembre 2014 10h16
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel

Some remarks:

* New users often expect immediate answers, or just ask a question and 
leave (like you would on a help site, which mails you about answers). 
It's best to warn them to leave the page open as long  as possible 
(until they got an answer)
* After the sencentce Alternatively, use the IRC client of your 
choice, I'd mention the parameters: server is irc.oftc.net 
http://irc.oftc.net/, channel is #hot.
* The user-friendlyness of IRC depends a lot on the client. I don't 
find the osm standard IRC client very pretty, which may scare away 
people. It might be worth to try some others like 
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot (though that should 
probably be changed at the TM level)


Regards,
Sander

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Pierre,

I've added a section to LearnOSM concerning the *OSM HOT IRC
Channel #hot *link from the home page of the Tasking Manager:
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#getting-live-help

I was very impressed at how simple it is - I've only started using
IRC in the last year,  wish I had found this version a lot
earlier, because it is so easy.

As usual, for anyone reading this message - if there's anything
wrong in what has been put into LearnOSM, make sure it gets fixed
- email, github, feedback from site - lots of options (Please
don't use the 'do nothing  then complain' button).

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[HOT] Validating - Take a Task at Random

2014-11-11 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

For info of all who are consciously validating squares ( a few who may 
not realise they have been validating).


I've been contacted concerning one of the very successful recent 
mapathons. A little research after the event has shown that several 
squares of at least one project have been marked as validated by mappers 
extremely new to the system - unfortunately the squares are not up to 
standard and more work is taking place to correct this.


We think that the likely scenario is - When all squares of a project are 
either complete or locked by another mapper, Tasking Manager will 
allocate you a square to validate - if you are extremely new to the 
system you probably will not realise what has happened and will look 
round the square  then add a brief comment before marking the square as 
done. Having spoken at several mapathons, and listened to other mappers 
giving guidance I know that;

a/. you can't say everything before letting someone start, 
b/. even if you did they probably wouldn't remember it all anyway.

I've added to the entry on the tasking manager in learnOSM - link is 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#contribute-tab  I 
ask that validators just bear this in mind - have a quick look at the 
usernames of others who have validated within the project you are 
working on, and be prepared to reopen squares that may have already been 
validated if there are problems. I'm not talking about 'they missed one 
building in the middle of 200', I'm talking about buildings should have 
been traced, there were hundreds, but none were traced!


I can see how easy a mistake it is to make, and I think it's something 
we should be aware of and try to negate in the future. Meanwhile I 
suggest that if you find one, send a message to the mapper concerned 
including the above link.


To my knowledge there has never been a decision about what 
qualifications are required before someone validates, and I'm not sure 
there is an answer to that - a few of my thoughts;
1. I've checked up on one validator who had (at the time I checked) 
never completed a square - extremely good mapper with lots of experience 
in other areas of mapping, and gives good feedback - if it's you, keep 
up the good work, thanks.
2. I found someone mapping on the day their OSM username was issued. 
Their mapping was obviously well beyond the standard we expect of a new 
mapper. On sending a message I established they wanted a new username to 
use whilst mapping for HOT - I asked them to start validating. Again, 
keep up the good work, thanks.

3. I'm still learning.

Perhaps this is something for discussion at one of the working groups.
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Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel

2014-11-10 Thread Nick Allen


Thanks for that, I'll update learnOSM

NickOn 10/11/14 15:54, Pierre Béland wrote:

Sander

Thanks to documenting this.

We will have have to synchronize ourselves and use the same link. It 
has been suggested to use this link that I find more intuitive for 
newcomers : https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot


I have added this link in some TM jobs since this Kiwiirc instance is 
easier.  It is now added also otn the Task Manager front page. I 
suggest that both the Task Manager front page and the LearnOSM refer 
to this instance.

Pierre


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*Envoyé le :* Lundi 10 novembre 2014 10h16
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel

Some remarks:

* New users often expect immediate answers, or just ask a question and 
leave (like you would on a help site, which mails you about answers). 
It's best to warn them to leave the page open as long  as possible 
(until they got an answer)
* After the sencentce Alternatively, use the IRC client of your 
choice, I'd mention the parameters: server is irc.oftc.net 
http://irc.oftc.net/, channel is #hot.
* The user-friendlyness of IRC depends a lot on the client. I don't 
find the osm standard IRC client very pretty, which may scare away 
people. It might be worth to try some others like 
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot (though that should 
probably be changed at the TM level)


Regards,
Sander

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Pierre,

I've added a section to LearnOSM concerning the *OSM HOT IRC
Channel #hot *link from the home page of the Tasking Manager:
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#getting-live-help

I was very impressed at how simple it is - I've only started using
IRC in the last year,  wish I had found this version a lot
earlier, because it is so easy.

As usual, for anyone reading this message - if there's anything
wrong in what has been put into LearnOSM, make sure it gets fixed
- email, github, feedback from site - lots of options (Please
don't use the 'do nothing  then complain' button).

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Re: [HOT] Missing Maps launch tomorrow, and LearnOSM

2014-11-07 Thread Nick Allen

Charlotte,

Although I'm very noisy on this list, I'm actually a very small cog in a
great big machine.

I know of this article
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/nov/06/-sp-missing-maps-baraka-democratic-republic-congo-drc,
and I know that Facebook twitter are being used extensively. I'll be
at this event in London UK.

For both facebook twitter search on hotosm /or Missing Maps project.

Hope this helps

Regards

Nick

On 07/11/14 06:16, Charlotte Wolter wrote:

Nick,

Are we sending out a press release, so someone other than the readers
of the HOT list actually will know that it's happening?

Charlotte

:41 AM 11/6/2014, you wrote:

Hi,

Missing Maps (http://www.missingmaps.org/ ) has its official launch
tomorrow, 7th November. I've deliberatly not put a time in this
message, as its a pretty worldwide launch and it's going to depend on
your and their time zone.
As well as the people who attend the mapathons, there will also be
many joining in 'remotely'. Of course, some of the people will have
already done some mapping with HOT in the past, but my experience of
helping at mapathons tells me that less than 5% will know what they
are doing, and the rest will be fairly new, but may have done some
research looked at help guides etc.
At a conservative guess / estimate there will be 300 mappers, the
vast majority of them new, helping with various projects tomorrow. I
think this is a very conservative estimate, and would hope to see
considerably more - perhaps double my first figure, and I wouldn't be
surprised if there were even more!
Most of these mappers will look for guidance to LearnOSM
(http://learnosm.org/en/). Because of the way LearnOSMÂ is set up I
don't think we can get stats. for hits on the site (I'm quite happy
to be contradicted on this).
If you've done any exploring on the LearnOSM site you'll have noticed
that's it's not just for 'new mappers' and it has some very
comprehensive guides on some complex subjects. It's good! But it
needs constant attention - the editing tools and processes are
constantly evolving, and what was a current guide last month, may now
need a slight update.
LearnOSM is also multilingual, or at least it should be. There are
many sections that need more translations. There are guides on how to
simply produce these translations
(https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md).

Now (last week would have been better!) would be a good time to have
a read through LearnOSM, and if you see something that needs sorting
out, either sort it, or send a message asking for someone else to do
it. If you've managed to master mapping, then getting something
amended or updated on https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm
https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm is only a minor stumbling block,
and could have a big impact on 700 people who will potentially read
it over the next few days.

*New Mappers* - we need to know what is missing, or needs rephrasing.
Let us know, please.

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[HOT] Missing Maps launch tomorrow, and LearnOSM

2014-11-06 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Missing Maps (http://www.missingmaps.org/) has it's official launch 
tomorrow, 7th November. I've deliberatly not put a time in this message, 
as its a pretty worldwide launch  it's going to depend on your  their 
time zone.


As well as the people who attend the mapathons, there will also be many 
joining in 'remotely'. Of course, some of the people will have already 
done some mapping with HOT in the past, but my experience of helping at 
mapathons tells me that less than 5% will know what they are doing, and 
the rest will be fairly new, but may have done some research  looked at 
help guides etc..


At a conservative guess / estimate there will be 300 mappers, the vast 
majority of them new, helping with various projects tomorrow. I think 
this is a very conservative estimate, and would hope to see considerably 
more - perhaps double my first figure, and I wouldn't be surprised if 
there were even more!


Most of these mappers will look for guidance to LearnOSM 
(http://learnosm.org/en/). Because of the way LearnOSM  is set up I 
don't think we can get stats. for hits on the site (I'm quite happy to 
be contradicted on this).


If you've done any exploring on the LearnOSM site you'll have noticed 
that's it's not just for 'new mappers' and it has some very 
comprehensive guides on some complex subjects. It's good! But it needs 
constant attention - the editing tools and processes are constantly 
evolving, and what was a current guide last month, may now need a slight 
update.


LearnOSM is also multilingual, or at least it should be. There are many 
sections that need more translations. There are guides on how to simply 
produce these translations 
(https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md).


Now (last week would have been better!) would be a good time to have a 
read through LearnOSM, and if you see something that needs sorting out, 
either sort it, or send a message asking for someone else to do it. If 
you've managed to master mapping, then getting something amended or 
updated on https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm is only a minor stumbling 
block, and could have a big impact on 700 people who will potentially 
read it over the next few days.


*New Mappers* - we need to know what is missing, or needs rephrasing. 
Let us know, please.


Regards
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[HOT] proof reading checking new section of LearnOSM

2014-11-04 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Could a few willing volunteers please proof read the new section of 
http://learnosm.org/en/ relating to the Tasking Manager. Direct link for 
just that section is http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/


There are various headings within the guide, so if you need to send a 
message to someone  you want them to look at a particular section, 
perhaps how to include a link to a particular square, you can send a 
link for just that section; 
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#referring-to-a-particular-square-when-sending-an-email


It is now published on the website, but it needs proof reading, and 
possibly amending in other ways, and I would be grateful if some of you 
could take the time to do this.


Jeff Haack (cc'd on this message) deserves a medal for putting up with 
my attempts to break the system, and for giving me help  guidance.


When you find something that needs amending, you have options on how to 
fix it, but I will be monitoring the issues list on github 
https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm and if any updates are listed there I 
will attempt to update them myself.


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Re: [HOT] unknown structures are buildings?

2014-11-04 Thread Nick Allen

Would there be any problem linking it from somewhere in learnosm? I'd be 
happy to have a check through for somewhere suitable and do the work.


Regards

Nick

On 04/11/14 22:09, Pierre Béland wrote:


Hi Blake


revisiting your page, it is already quite instructive bringing 
attention to various aspects. It is clear and easy to understand.



Even if not yet completed, we could link to this in the Task Manager 
to help beginners.



Pierre


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*À :* Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org
*Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org
*Envoyé le :* Mardi 4 novembre 2014 16h39
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] unknown structures are buildings?

Hi Ray,

I think the only reason my mapping tips page hasn't made it anywhere
else is because I haven't finished it yet and I was sort of waiting
until it got done and was given a final once over by everyone to make
sure I am not pointing out anything incorrectly before sharing it widely
as a resource. I have most of the data for the remaining sections so the
rest should go pretty quickly.

I have been spending most of my time on validating and trying to help
with a data import which is almost done and then I can finish up the
tips page(s) and get them somewhere easier to find.

cheers
Blake



On 11/4/2014 4:27 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:
 On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:59:57 +
 Michel Gilbertmichc...@gmail.com mailto:michc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ian,

 I found this page:
 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips

 that is created by BGirardot that provides good tips helping to
 understand the context for mapping West Africa in terms of features.

 As an uninitiated HOT mappers I would need more of these.

 Michel

 It seems an obvious suggestion that a link to the page above could
 appear on the page which some of the Instructions are linking to:

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response

 Obviously BGirardot's brain is not automatically hooked to all the wiki
 pages it should be hooked up with, more's the pity. :-)

 And this whole discussion could tie into the thread on the list:

Video that Best Represents Our Work?

 This thread seems to end up discussing ways to use video to help teach
 mappers how to do better mapping.

 This may be a good time for a straw-man catalog/training tool to appear
 on the wiki.

 - ray


 On Tue Nov 04 2014 at 1:27:33 PMthatwo...@hushmail.com 
mailto:thatwo...@hushmail.com wrote:





 I agree wholeheartedly with Ray. It would be very helpful to have a
 page of examples of W. Africa satellite imagery showing, 1)
 buildings that are often overlooked by mappers, especially the less
 experienced ones, because they may not look like buildings to the
 uninitiated, and; 2) things that are often mistaken for buildings,
 but aren't. This catalog could be even more useful if further
 broken down by areas/countries whose structures differ somewhat, as
 well as by typical rural vs urban structures.

 If s/he has neither visited these countries nor studied their
 cultures, a mapper's working at a distinct disadvantage without
 such examples. I've spent some time looking at photos online of
 traditional buildings in this part of the world to try to improve
 my mapping, but these shots are taken from ground level, of course.
 And as Ray points out, it's a completely different experience when
 viewing them from a satellite's POV.

 -Ian


 On 11/4/2014 at 3:03 AM, Ray Kiddyr...@ganymede.org 
mailto:r...@ganymede.org wrote:


 On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:51:54 +0100
 Claire Halleuxclaire.hall...@hotosm.org 
mailto:claire.hall...@hotosm.org wrote:


 Hi Ray,

 For cassava, you could add something on the following page I
 guess:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:crop%3Dcassava

 If you intend to use a screenshot of imagery, make sure you keep
 the copyright visible. We got permissions to do so from MapBox,
 HIU and Bing, for training purposes.

 Cheers

 Claire


 I am not explaining myself well. The page you are pointing to has a
 picture of casava taken from the ground. This does not help me
 identify anything if I am looking at casava in a photo taken from a
 satellite.

 How does one recognize a mound of casava in Liberia? Or a yurt in
 Mongolia? Or a well in Pakinstan? From satellite imagery? Does a
 well in Pakistan look like well in Montana? Probably not. So, when
 one has no experience with an area of the world, how can one
 identify its structures? One way is to look at a bunch of satellite
 imagery and keep asking questions, over and over. Or, perhaps
 pictures of differently shaped structures can be pulled out which
 identifies different structures and describes where they appear.
 Like a catalog.

 So, is there some catalog of satellite imagery that will show what
 things look like in various places, for training purposes? Or would
 there be suggestions on how to create one and where it could

Re: [HOT] Linking to task stats directly

2014-11-01 Thread Nick Allen


Pete,

Stats to be proud of - nice one!

I don't know of any way of linking directly to the stats - only to the 
task  instruct to click on the stats. tab.


Nick

On 01/11/14 11:27, Pete Masters wrote:

Hi all, sorry for two questions in quick succession...

I'd like to feed back to the mappers that came and volunteered on 
Tuesday (and motivate them to finish task 713 over the weekend). Is 
there any way of directly linking to the stats tab in here: 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/713 ?


Cheers,

Pete

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Re: [HOT] Activation Working Group meeting: postponing to next week?

2014-10-15 Thread Nick Allen

Hi Severin,

I wasn't available yesterday. I can't guarantee next week, but there is
more chance than there was for yesterday!

Regards

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 Hi,

 My apologies: solving some personal admin issues, I forgot today was the
 day for the AWG monthly meeting.
 Is it OK to do it next week on Tuesday, same hour as usual, to compensate?

 Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] Training WG Meeting today at 15:00 UTC (agenda to be completed)

2014-10-13 Thread Nick Allen


Claire,

Sorry, I will not be able to attend this afternoons meeting.

Regards

Nick

On 13/10/14 01:44, Claire Halleux wrote:

Dear All,

Our Training WG meeting is taking place this Monday (today/tomorrow).
The group history and details can be found in [1].
Ideas currently under discussion are listed in [2], please add yours 
if you have any subject of interest, related to HOT/OSM training, 
which wouldn't be part yet of this list.
Previsional agenda for the meeting can be edited in [3], there's still 
plenty of space at the moment for adding priorities.


Best,

Claire

[1] 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training
[2] 
https://hackpad.com/Discussion-ideas-for-HOTs-training-working-group-mYgJQEbueIi

[3] https://hackpad.com/Training-WG-Meeting-October-13-2014-7gKIttDO52L


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Re: [HOT] Task 661 (Ebola, DRC), road vs path

2014-10-12 Thread Nick Allen


Dan,

Interesting, and it kept me busy for a while.

Can I say first of all that I wouldn't want to lose anyone in an 
argument over this one. The tree cover is too dense to be sure of 
anything, and if it was me mapping it, I'd actually put an additional 
road in extending to the East  South from the isolated section of 
residential road - I think it goes through the small deforested areas  
joins with the other sections of highway.


All of the buildings I can see are of rectangular construction  judging 
from the reflections I guess they have corrugated iron roofs. The 
materials for these buildings were brought in by motor vehicle. The 
clearings appear to have been created with motor vehicles. It would not 
be a comfortable ride, but I would mark most of the highways as 
residential / unclassified. One way or another the isolated section of 
residential highway needs to be connected to the rest of the highway 
network by something a motor vehicle (4x4) could navigate along.


I'm looking with JOSM without the benefit of the border to a task square 
so my next comment may be 'outside the box', but the highway lengths 
also need to connect to the other length of highway to the West - there 
is a small cloud partially obscuring the route, but there is a route 
visible for most of it  a straight line length of highway may be needed 
for part of it through the cloud - it must be there somewhere!


Hope this helps

Nick

On 12/10/14 17:47, Dan S wrote:

Hi all,

Just having a mini discussion with another mapper about road vs path.
We're both familiar with the Highway Tagging Africa scheme, but we
drew different conclusions about the particular routes we were looking
at.

So it'd be handy if anyone wants to comment on road-vs-path for this location:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-0.32568/20.94023

And who knows, maybe it would be suitable to use as an example for
future mappers, since we didn't intuitively come to the same
conclusions.

Thanks
Dan

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[HOT] Task Manager missing

2014-10-01 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

I'm probably being really stupid here - but is the Task Manager 'down' 
at the moment?

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[HOT] Missing Maps Mapathon Tuesday 30th September, London UK

2014-09-28 Thread Nick Allen


Hi fellow HOTties,

On Tuesday 30th September 1800hrs British Summer Time or 1900hrs UTC 
depending on which flavour you prefer, there will be a Missing Maps 
Mapathon at Skills Matter, Goswell Rd., London. More details on the 
Eventbrite site at 
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-maps-hot-september-mapathon-tickets-13271759189?aff=eac2 
including an extremely nice map!


The places are going fast, with a maximum of 66 available.

It would be really good to have more HOT mappers coming along to assist 
- we have a programme, slideshow, presenters  all of the bits to make 
the evening a great success, but the more HOT mappers that can come 
along the better. Experts are welcome, but so are newcomers, because you 
remember what problems you had to overcome, and you are experts in the 
eyes of someone who has never mapped before. If you can come along, 
reply by email to me so I know who's coming and when (we can cope with 
late arrivals!) - we try to seat HOT mappers amongst new mappers so they 
have someone to chat to in the event of hiccups.


I don't know yet which task(s) we will concentrate on, but it would be 
great if a few remote validators could give some feedback to our new 
mappers - a green square says a thousand words! I'm keen to see the new 
messaging system in the Tasking Manager (Thanks to the Techies for 
producing it - looks better than anything we had thought of asking 
for!). I'll send out a message on the evening with details of our task / 
project.


Thanks for reading  I hope to make contact on the evening.

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Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Mapathon Tuesday 30th September, London UK

2014-09-28 Thread Nick Allen


Spike,

Thanks for that. ...   1700 UTC  1800 BST

Well spotted.

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 28/09/14 21:01, Spike wrote:

Erm, but 1800hrs BST is 1700UTC isn't it?

Spring forward, fall back

Regards
Spike

On 28/09/2014 19:05, Nick Allen wrote:
On Tuesday 30th September 1800hrs British Summer Time or 1900hrs UTC 
depending on which flavour you prefer, there will be a Missing Maps 
Mapathon at Skills Matter, Goswell Rd., London. More details on the 
Eventbrite site at 
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-maps-hot-september-mapathon-tickets-13271759189?aff=eac2 
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[HOT] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/641#task/13 - query over interpretation

2014-09-15 Thread Nick Allen


Hi latte,

I'm opening this up to the group as there are people there who have been 
in the area, and will have more idea than me - I think it's surface 
mining - sort of 'blood diamond' type thing, but I could very easily be 
wrong.


I think we're talking about the cluster of fuzzy white shapes to the 
right of the square

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/641#task/13, or
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/6.323615/-10.756164

Please could someone confirm what they are likely to be, ( how to tag 
it if it is surface mining of that type- not very clear from the wiki)


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Re: [HOT] Double tracings

2014-09-15 Thread Nick Allen


Charlotte,

My answer is similar to Sander's

There are lots of ways this can happen;
If your editing lasts more than 120 minutes, unless you relock it, your 
square is automatically released and another mapper could select it,
If one of you is using  JOSM or another offline editor, at the time of 
downloading the others buildings may not have been present, allowing you 
to each trace the same area then upload,
someone loses sight of where the square border is, and maps part of your 
square,

someone is not using th TM, and is editing the area,
occasionally Tasks can overlap (very rarely), so someone using an older 
task is mapping the same area as the newer task.


There are probably more possibilities I hadn't even thought of - Tasking 
Manager is pretty good at making sure this doesn't happen, but then us 
pesky humans get involved!


Regards

Nick
(Tallguy

On 15/09/14 15:58, Charlotte Wolter wrote:

Hi,

I was mapping late last night and had to quit because I was 
falling asleep. When I took up the same square this morning, I found 
that someone had traced over about 15 buildings that I had done the 
night before. I'm thinking that would not have been done if they could 
see my work. Is there some delay in the server?


Charlotte


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Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?

2014-09-13 Thread Nick Allen

Claire,

I'm sorry to hear that. I've put next week in my diary.

Keep up the good work.

Nick

On 13/09/14 03:20, Claire Halleux wrote:

Ralph and Nick,
Thank you very much for your suggestions.
Unfortunately we were forced tonight to report the event for security
reasonsus, it will therefore take place next Saturday instead.
However, despite that fact, data are still urgently needed in order to
improve the response coordination and they cannot be waiting for
another week.
HIU and others have been doing their best to deliver new imagery this
night, so I will set up new tasks tomorrow morning, any volunteer will
be able to access those tasks throughtand we still need to trace on it
in order to fill the gaps between the previous past tasks.data are
still quite needed on.

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On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com
mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote:

Claire,

I may be able to help a bit at the start of the session, but I
have a commitment for most of the day evening - if there are any
outstanding squares for validation I will try to join in later at
night.
Could I suggest we try to keep it as close to normal as possible
- if I check a square am happy, I will validate it, but may put
a comment in the comments box concerning any slight changes I may
make. Because of my lack of language skills, I created these two
links on the wiki which could be pasted into the comments box
hopefully would help to pass information;
Buildings which have not been squared, but should have been

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data/Buildings_feedback

Not adding a changeset comment when saving / uploading

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data/Changeset_comment_missing

I sometimes send a message using the OSM message system, and on
occasion have linked the message with screenshots showing the
changes I have made.

I strongly suspect that smaller squares will mean that it is more
difficult to interpret
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa but this
will not be the fault of the new mapper, just an indication of how
difficult it is when you can only see a small area. It will need
the validator(s) to take an overview of several squares change
the tags appropriatly - this is fairly easy once the mapper has
done the difficult time consuming job of tracing the path /
track / unclassified / residential . way.

Hope this helps.

Regards have a good day.

Nick

On 12/09/14 02:51, Claire Halleux wrote:

Hi Nick and Volunteers,

On Saturday morning, from 900 to 1300 UTC, we'll be having
another small mapathon/mapping party in Kinshasa in order to edit
Ebola affected area in DRC, using some new imagery. Nearly all of
the participants will be beginners, so I am planning to create
another task with small squares and I think this could be a good
place for testing this type of training task. Potential
validators will be welcome to send feedback during the event. As
it usually gathers between 10 and 20 participants, a few
validators would be enough in theory.
Let me know if anyone would like to support this event,

Moreover, do you think exchanging messages within TM and OSM
website will be enough? or should we try to set up an additional
skype group or anything else for the event? IRC? (local
participants have never used it as far as I know, same with Mumble).

Best,

Claire

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Nick Allen
nick.allen...@gmail.com mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote:

Ralph,

Thanks for the offer of help - you're likely to see a request
for help approaching the 30th September when we have another
Missing Maps Project Mapathon in London.

I'm really hoping that Blake can make progress on a guide to
satellite imagery - it's been on my todo list for some time,
but I'm conscious I've started many things and it would be
good if I actually finished a few of them. Although I agree
that starting new mappers with crisp images would be good, I
think it would be good to include a few fuzzy ones in the
guide to show what you have to deal with sometimes - educated
guessing?

At the moment I'm not intending to contact mappers who have
not marked as complete the squares they have opened

Re: [HOT] Houses or buildings with no roof in W Africa mapping

2014-09-13 Thread Nick Allen


Blake,

They could be both. When I asked the question a few months ago 
concerning similar structures elsewhere in Africa I was told that it can 
take a while for something to be built  finished, but it can also be a 
case of something has become disused  the roof removed. In either case, 
it would be a relatively quick job for someone to clean it up and add a 
roof.


Something to consider - since the satellite imagery was taken the 
structure could have changed - now be complete  with residents. In some 
areas corrugated iron is available  a roof could be added in a few hours.


The other option is something like a pig sty - a small building with a 
roof for the animal to shelter in with a compound or compounds attached 
to it - pigs, goats, etc..


I can't see for sure what that particular image is showing  - probably 
the animal compound but it could just as easily be the residence in 
decay or slow construction.


The outlines we are tracing today could be unchanged on the map for many 
months / years. I try to make sure they will appear in the data in one 
format or another because at least someone using just the map data can 
look at it and say There's some kind of building there  perhaps 
another say That's John's farm, it's gone now but the road still goes 
through there - you need the local knowledge that we just can't possess.


Acceptable options to me all involve the structure being traced and 
appear in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building . Whatever it 
is, it's construction includes barrier=wall which is also a valid 
option. I have no wish to offend someone who is probably a better mapper 
than me, so I try not to alter tags if they appear in the wiki, but I 
will probably do so if they don't render in Mapnik or Humanitarian style 
renderings.


If it was me doing the tracing I would keep it simple;
barrier=wall
or
building=yes

Hope this helps

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 13/09/14 05:44, Blake Girardot wrote:

Hi,

New user supersonic3974 asked this question in irc last night but 
didn't get a reply:


[22:45] supersonic3974 Hey, quick question.  What are these things 
that look like buildings under construction?  They seem to be 
everywhere.  Here's an example: http://imgur.com/ccS03xv


I have that same question coincidentally enough.

They look like buildings with no roof.

Are they buildings under construction or structures that lost their roof?

My guess is we wouldn't outline them since they probably are not 
inhabited, but I don't know for sure.


I'll make sure he gets an answer if someone replies here.

Cheers,
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Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?

2014-09-12 Thread Nick Allen

Claire,

I may be able to help a bit at the start of the session, but I have a
commitment for most of the day evening - if there are any outstanding
squares for validation I will try to join in later at night.
Could I suggest we try to keep it as close to normal as possible - if
I check a square am happy, I will validate it, but may put a comment
in the comments box concerning any slight changes I may make. Because of
my lack of language skills, I created these two links on the wiki which
could be pasted into the comments box hopefully would help to pass
information;
Buildings which have not been squared, but should have been
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data/Buildings_feedback

Not adding a changeset comment when saving / uploading
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data/Changeset_comment_missing

I sometimes send a message using the OSM message system, and on occasion
have linked the message with screenshots showing the changes I have made.

I strongly suspect that smaller squares will mean that it is more
difficult to interpret
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa but this will not
be the fault of the new mapper, just an indication of how difficult it
is when you can only see a small area. It will need the validator(s) to
take an overview of several squares change the tags appropriatly -
this is fairly easy once the mapper has done the difficult time
consuming job of tracing the path / track / unclassified / residential
. way.

Hope this helps.

Regards have a good day.

Nick
On 12/09/14 02:51, Claire Halleux wrote:

Hi Nick and Volunteers,

On Saturday morning, from 900 to 1300 UTC, we'll be having another
small mapathon/mapping party in Kinshasa in order to edit Ebola
affected area in DRC, using some new imagery. Nearly all of the
participants will be beginners, so I am planning to create another
task with small squares and I think this could be a good place for
testing this type of training task. Potential validators will be
welcome to send feedback during the event. As it usually gathers
between 10 and 20 participants, a few validators would be enough in
theory.

Let me know if anyone would like to support this event,

Moreover, do you think exchanging messages within TM and OSM website
will be enough? or should we try to set up an additional skype group
or anything else for the event? IRC? (local participants have never
used it as far as I know, same with Mumble).

Best,

Claire

Claire Halleux
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+243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC)
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http://www.hotosm.org/
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com
mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote:

Ralph,

Thanks for the offer of help - you're likely to see a request for
help approaching the 30th September when we have another Missing
Maps Project Mapathon in London.

I'm really hoping that Blake can make progress on a guide to
satellite imagery - it's been on my todo list for some time, but
I'm conscious I've started many things and it would be good if I
actually finished a few of them. Although I agree that starting
new mappers with crisp images would be good, I think it would be
good to include a few fuzzy ones in the guide to show what you
have to deal with sometimes - educated guessing?

At the moment I'm not intending to contact mappers who have not
marked as complete the squares they have opened. There can be
genuine reasons - it's happened to me several times. It can also
be a question of confidence I don't want to frighten anyone
away. If we can get a trial area, and the trial works, then this
may largely solve the problem. I think also that the general
discussion will have raised awareness that can make a difference
as well.

Thanks again

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 09/09/14 17:53, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:

Hi Nick,

I have been mapping the Africa HOT projects and am familiar with
the 'on the ground' knowledge of some parts of Africa.

I like your idea for assisting the new mappers and agree that
some of the image material is pretty difficult to map due to
various reasons...cloud cover, fuzzy images or overcrowded towns
and slum areas to mention some.

Choosing easier areas with sharp images would help the new
mappers to get the feel of the work and build up confidence, and
having feedback for their work early on would help them to know
if they are doing the right thing or not.

To this end I am willing to give you a hand in helping new
mappers to read the imagery, create more complex building shapes
and the use of basic tags. Please let me know if there is
anything I can do to help.

I have come across the increasing

[HOT] building=hut

2014-09-11 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

A recent post on this list led me to investigate the tag building=hut.

I'm not entirely sure that I remember it's history within HOT, but I 
believe many of us started using it on round thatched dwellings at the 
start of the Ebola outbreak. I've been creating a circle of the correct 
size and tagging the way as 'building=hut' in much the same way as we 
create a rectangle / polygon on a square sided structure and tag it 
building=yes. The info on the main tagging wiki at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building shows the tag being used 
on an area, not a node.


I've had a quick look on overpassturbo for part of Liberia, and there 
are clusters of the tag, in some places on a node  in others on a 
polygon - on at least one occasion the node has a comment similar to '7 
huts'.


A quick query on taginfo for building=hut;
All832415,
Node   8113
Way 824247
Relation   55

The purpose of creating the polygon was for the clever GIS folk to 
analyse and create population estimates, when used in conjunction with 
the landuse=residential polygon which needs to be traced fairly closely 
around the perimeter of the cluster of buildings to allow accurate 
estimates of population for a village / hamlet / town (Something to do 
with area calculations). I suspect that it is still being used for that 
purpose, and will continue to do so. Also if the building is traced it 
appears on the map, but if it is a node it does not. On the basis you 
can do a more accurate calculation on the area from the polygon  you 
can't do it on a node that could represent an unknown quantity of 
buildings I think we need;
* When remote mapping an area, unless the task description says 
otherwise, create a polygon for the round dwelling and tag it building=hut
* To ensure our own training  reference sites, such as wiki pages, 
LearnOSM and slide shows or other materials are up to date - if it's 
wrong  you can't fix it, at least highlight it so someone can.

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Re: [HOT] Satellite imagery interpretation examples - looking for suggestions

2014-09-11 Thread Nick Allen


Harry,

Just to make it clear in my own mind - do we add the template to the 
image page in the wiki - I've done that here as a test;


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Validating_5.png

Nick

On 11/09/14 15:20, Harry Wood wrote:

I think it's a great idea to have some more bing imagery example images in our 
tagging docs e.g. the 'Highway Tag Africa' page. There's some copyright 
concerns which might hold us back, but I think that would be a shame. I've just 
added some thoughts to that discussion 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23405 and linked a new wiki 
template we can start using on image description pages: {{Bing image}}

Harry


- Original Message -
From: Ralf Stephan gtrw...@gmail.com
To: Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2014, 17:13
Subject: Re: [HOT] Satellite imagery interpretation examples - looking for  
suggestions

As the Mapbnox imagery doesn't seem good enough to illustrate the photos
I collected, I stumbled upon this post by Pieren:

The answer is 'no' for a mass use of Bing screenshots but I think
there is some place for occasional and limited amount of images,
especially when it is used to illustrate how to trace from their
imagery into OSM. (ideally, the uploaded images in the wiki should be
downgraded with JOSM lines, making the image reuse for other purposes
impossible).
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23405

Since I'm planning exactly that, i.e., composing new images containing
a photo and
a tagged satellite excerpt, and this for about two dozen pictures in
the Wiki only,
I have the strong hope this may go through with our legal team.

Please raise objections now.

Regards,




On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh those pictures are really cool, ty.

On 9/10/2014 6:15 AM, Ralf Stephan wrote:

There are precious few photos in Wikimedia Commons showing forest roads
and hamlets in West Africa. I started to collect those I could localize
and
associate with a tag. Only primary roads so far. Some from DRC.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rwst/Commons_photos_roads_hamlets_w-africa

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Sander Deryckeresander...@gmail.com
wrote:

Some pictures on the Africa highways wiki page wouldn't hurt either.

Quite often, a road can look too narrow to be classified as
unclassified,
so people put path on it. But that's in a lot of cases because the
treetop
makes it seem narrow, but at the bottom, it's wide enough for vehicles to
pass.

2014-09-10 9:21 GMT+02:00 Nick Allennick.allen...@gmail.com:


Blake,

I'm hoping you can come up with a way of sharing the screenshots on
these
subjects. As well as the wiki or LearnOSM article you develop, the basic
screenshots could be of enormous help for those who produce items on
twitter, facebook, press articles, slideshows for presentations etc..

Personally I'm currently attempting to work on a series of slides used
when delivering training at events, and I like to include screenshots
from
iD  JOSM and in each I like to have the scale visible.


There are many others on this mailing list with more experience on the
subject of sharing the information, but this could include a shared
folder
in GoogleDrive, or Dropbox.

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)


On 10/09/14 02:32, Blake Girardot wrote:

Hi,

You might have read in a few emails I was hoping to put up some
satellite
imagery that shows things we often map in W. Africa.

Originally and still mainly, I wanted some examples of schools and roads
of different types.

I am open to any suggestions for things to include and if you find any
good examples with MapBox imagery please send them my way.

Or if you find something that you don't know what it is, please share it
here and we'll get it identified.

For users of iD, just center on the thing in question and then copy/past
the url from your web browser into an email.

JOSM users can click in the lower left corner of their window and a
location box will pop up, you can just copy/paste the url from that box
into
an email.

Cheers,
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Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM? (Nick Allen)

2014-09-11 Thread Nick Allen


Melanie,

Thank you for your message. It's good to know that research is taking 
place at such a level.


It would be good if you, and perhaps other members of your group, joined 
the HOT Training Working Group.


The wiki entry concerning the Training WG is 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training
 the Hackpad containing discussion points is at 
https://hackpad.com/Discussion-ideas-for-HOTs-training-working-group-mYgJQEbueIi


Sharing  pooling our resources would be ideal.

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 10/09/14 16:20, Melanie Eckle wrote:

Dear Nick,

my name is Melanie, I am reserach assistant at the GIScience 
department of the Heidelberg University/ Germany. Our group is focused 
on research in the area of Volunteered Geographic Information. One of 
the subjects we are investigating at the moment is to find ways to 
improve the quality/ accuracy of remote mapping by volunteers. With 
this background, I was very happy to read your post in the mailing 
list, since your idea fits very well with our efforts.
I could not agree more and would be very happy to contribute. I have 
been mapping for quite some time, conducted trainings with new mappers 
and have been working on new possibilities to facilitate the mapping 
process for beginners. I developed some training material for that 
purpose, showing the most important steps to be taken before mapping, 
common errors that occur during mapping and introducing some 
shortcuts. Working in Kathmandu with KathmanduLivingLabs, I also 
discovered the problems remote mappers got identifying unknown 
features in foreign countries. A problems that often leads to wrong 
tagging or digitization. On this account, the second part of the 
training material gives an overview of the most common features that 
can be found in the country that the mapping is conducted in (in this 
case Nepal) and the right tags that need to be used (Nepal taggging 
guidelines). I am actually testing the use of the material and already 
got good results and very positive feedback by the new mappers that 
used the training dossier.
I am happy to share the material if you are interested and would love 
to find out more about your project idea.


Kind regards
Melanie


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Re: [HOT] Satellite imagery interpretation examples - looking for suggestions

2014-09-10 Thread Nick Allen


Blake,

I'm hoping you can come up with a way of sharing the screenshots on 
these subjects. As well as the wiki or LearnOSM article you develop, the 
basic screenshots could be of enormous help for those who produce items 
on twitter, facebook, press articles, slideshows for presentations etc..


Personally I'm currently attempting to work on a series of slides used 
when delivering training at events, and I like to include screenshots 
from iD  JOSM and in each I like to have the scale visible.


There are many others on this mailing list with more experience on the 
subject of sharing the information, but this could include a shared 
folder in GoogleDrive, or Dropbox.


Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 10/09/14 02:32, Blake Girardot wrote:

Hi,

You might have read in a few emails I was hoping to put up some 
satellite imagery that shows things we often map in W. Africa.


Originally and still mainly, I wanted some examples of schools and 
roads of different types.


I am open to any suggestions for things to include and if you find any 
good examples with MapBox imagery please send them my way.


Or if you find something that you don't know what it is, please share 
it here and we'll get it identified.


For users of iD, just center on the thing in question and then 
copy/past the url from your web browser into an email.


JOSM users can click in the lower left corner of their window and a 
location box will pop up, you can just copy/paste the url from that 
box into an email.


Cheers,
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Re: [HOT] Visualizing OSM data with cartodb to aid HOTOSM validation

2014-09-10 Thread Nick Allen


Martin,

Thanks for that. I've added a very brief entry to this section of the 
wiki describing validating


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data#Useful_Tools_for_validating

Your blog post looks is very informative, but I'm not sure what else I 
should add to the wiki - I'm well out of my depth with what you are 
describing and doing, but what you have described and done could be 
extremely useful. Please feel free to expand on the very brief wiki entry.


building=hut
I've been tagging the round thatched buildings used as residences in 
many parts of the Ebola affected areas as 'building=hut'. Until your 
email I had assumed that building=hut was listed in the wiki's for the 
round buildings, but I've just had a quick check and it is not - I'll do 
a separate message to the mailing list on this subject.


Thanks again for your work on this.

Nick
(Tallguy)


On 06/09/14 11:37, spatialbits wrote:

Hi all,

as this is my first post on the list I'd like to introduce myself
quickly. My name is Martin and I am located in Frankfurt am Main,
Germany. I started to contribute to HOTOSM a while ago supporting mainly
the Ebola related tasks so far.

During mapping and validation work I was looking for a way to quickly
track down specific validation issues in a wider area and experimented a
bit with cartodb visualizations. I thought it might be worth sharing and
so I wrote up a short blog post and published the map layers for those
who might be interested:

http://spatialbits.blogspot.de/2014/09/visualizing-osm-data-with-cartodb-to.html



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[HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?

2014-09-09 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

I think there is a gap between the training available from the various 
sources such as LearnOSM  someone reaching the stage of feeling 
confident to map for HOT. Although we tend to think of new mappers with 
no experience at all, it also extends to mappers who are used to mapping 
their 'own back yard' but are concerned they may not interpret the 
aerial imagery correctly when mapping for HOT.


I have seen several messages appear on the HOT mailing list where a 'new 
to HOT' mapper has asked where to start. I've also been contacted by a 
number of mappers asking me to check / validate their first squares in 
HOT. Having been involved in training new mappers at mapathons I have 
noticed they are unlikely to finish the current size of squares within 2 
hours  they are also interested in receiving feedback on their 
progress. Recent discussion on this mailing list indicates many mappers 
are interested in feedback, especially in the early stages.


As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in having a 
project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers. The 
squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate the new 
mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the perfect 
world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a validator who 
makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing a few of these 
squares the new mapper should have the confidence to move onto any of 
the other general tasks. As an aside, this need not be a 'new task' - it 
could just as easily be a 'high' which has dropped down the list, but it 
would need adapting with additional instructions, and exisitng squares 
awaiting validation being validated  the outstanding squares being 
split far smaller than normal. It would need to be advertised so that 
new mappers find it - highlighted link from the home page of the Tasking 
Manager?


I'm willing to validate  offer feedback on such a project / task, but 
ideally several other validators need to be involved. There are also 
times when I am not available.


These views are my own - it would be good to get the opinions of;

a/. New to HOT mappers (we all were once, so everyone's view 
appreciated) - would it have helped with the transition, and
b/. potential validators for such a project / task. - if there were a 
few squares waiting validation (potentially a new mapper waiting for a 
progress report before continuing), would you be willing to help with 
the validation. Because the squares are smaller there will be problems 
with working out highway grades, and an overview approach viewing 
several squares on occasion would be needed.


I'm intending to present this topic at a Training working group, but 
would like the views of other mappers.

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Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?

2014-09-09 Thread Nick Allen


Charlotte,

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am passing them on  will try to act 
on them myself - I Know that at least one person is keen to create a 
satellite imagery interpretation guide, which should help.


Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 09/09/14 16:53, Charlotte Wolter wrote:

Nick,

I am not technically a new mapper, having workedon several HOT 
projects before, But, in a sense, most of us are new mappers because 
the terrain is new as is the cultural background on what we see. When 
I mapped the Colorado fires, I knew the typical configurations of 
roads in the suburbs I was mapping. That is not true for Liberia or 
Sierra Leone.
You have highlighted nicely most of the challenges I have encountered 
while doing this mapping, and I have some suggestions to go along with 
yours.
--The size of the squares--They need to be smaller. Where there are 
many scattered farms but few towns, there is no way I can complete the 
square in two hours. Worse, it is difficult to keep track of where I 
am because I have to zoom in to be sure that what I am seeing is, 
indeed, a house. If the square were smaller, I could complete it, and 
I wouldn't become so disorieted when I zoom in.
--We need some geographical background on the area, such as examples 
of what we might see. For example, one validator corrected an area 
that I had, somewhat dubiously, marked as residential. He said it 
was, in fact, surface mining. If I had known that there might be 
surface mining (blood diamonds?), then I would have looked more 
critically at the bare area with what seemed to be squares.
I think those changes would not require much effort from the HOT 
people. I don't want to burden them. I would, however, like to reduce 
my frustration while working on this effort.
I like your suggestion about small trial squares. It's a good training 
system, but I also think some background on the geography we are 
looking at would be helpful.


Best,

Charlotte Wolter


At 06:58 AM 9/9/2014, you wrote:

Hi,

I think there is a gap between the training available from the 
various sources such as LearnOSM  someone reaching the stage of 
feeling confident to map for HOT. Although we tend to think of new 
mappers with no experience at all, it also extends to mappers who are 
used to mapping their 'own back yard' but are concerned they may not 
interpret the aerial imagery correctly when mapping for HOT.


I have seen several messages appear on the HOT mailing list where a 
'new to HOT' mapper has asked where to start. I've also been 
contacted by a number of mappers asking me to check / validate their 
first squares in HOT. Having been involved in training new mappers at 
mapathons I have noticed they are unlikely to finish the current size 
of squares within 2 hours  they are also interested in receiving 
feedback on their progress. Recent discussion on this mailing list 
indicates many mappers are interested in feedback, especially in the 
early stages.


As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in having 
a project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers. The 
squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate the 
new mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the 
perfect world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a 
validator who makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing 
a few of these squares the new mapper should have the confidence to 
move onto any of the other general tasks. As an aside, this need not 
be a 'new task' - it could just as easily be a 'high' which has 
dropped down the list, but it would need adapting with additional 
instructions, and exisitng squares awaiting validation being 
validated  the outstanding squares being split far smaller than 
normal. It would need to be advertised so that new mappers find it - 
highlighted link from the home page of the Tasking Manager?


I'm willing to validate  offer feedback on such a project / task, 
but ideally several other validators need to be involved. There are 
also times when I am not available.


These views are my own - it would be good to get the opinions of;

a/. New to HOT mappers (we all were once, so everyone's view 
appreciated) - would it have helped with the transition, and
b/. potential validators for such a project / task. - if there were a 
few squares waiting validation (potentially a new mapper waiting for 
a progress report before continuing), would you be willing to help 
with the validation. Because the squares are smaller there will be 
problems with working out highway grades, and an overview approach 
viewing several squares on occasion would be needed.


I'm intending to present this topic at a Training working group, but 
would like the views of other mappers.

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Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?

2014-09-09 Thread Nick Allen


Ralph,

Thanks for the offer of help - you're likely to see a request for help 
approaching the 30th September when we have another Missing Maps Project 
Mapathon in London.


I'm really hoping that Blake can make progress on a guide to satellite 
imagery - it's been on my todo list for some time, but I'm conscious 
I've started many things and it would be good if I actually finished a 
few of them. Although I agree that starting new mappers with crisp 
images would be good, I think it would be good to include a few fuzzy 
ones in the guide to show what you have to deal with sometimes - 
educated guessing?


At the moment I'm not intending to contact mappers who have not marked 
as complete the squares they have opened. There can be genuine reasons - 
it's happened to me several times. It can also be a question of 
confidence  I don't want to frighten anyone away. If we can get a trial 
area, and the trial works, then this may largely solve the problem. I 
think also that the general discussion will have raised awareness  that 
can make a difference as well.


Thanks again

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 09/09/14 17:53, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:

Hi Nick,

I have been mapping the Africa HOT projects and am familiar with the 
'on the ground' knowledge of some parts of Africa.


I like your idea for assisting the new mappers and agree that some of 
the image material is pretty difficult to map due to various 
reasons...cloud cover, fuzzy images or overcrowded towns and slum 
areas to mention some.


Choosing easier areas with sharp images would help the new mappers to 
get the feel of the work and build up confidence, and having feedback 
for their work early on would help them to know if they are doing the 
right thing or not.


To this end I am willing to give you a hand in helping new mappers to 
read the imagery, create more complex building shapes and the use of 
basic tags. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.


I have come across the increasing problem of mappers not happy about 
marking squares as done, I have gone to numerous squares and apart 
from a few tweaks there is nothing left to do, but a number of mappers 
have opened that square, looked around and then unlocked it again. I 
feel guilty marking those squares as done when I have hardly done any 
work on them. Should we contact the person that has done the most work 
and tell them they have done well and could they please go back in and 
mark it as done so they get the credit for closing it?


Regards
Ralph



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Re: [HOT] Training WG meeting: Today (Sunday) 15:00 UTC

2014-09-08 Thread Nick Allen

I can make the 21st at 1500UTC, but would prefer if we moved away from a 
Sunday, either changing this meeting, or for further meetings.


Nick

On 08/09/14 17:39, Russell Deffner wrote:


If we stay on the two week schedule, that would make the next one the 
21^st .  But since only a few people attended there was talk about 
asking if Sunday 1500 UTC still works for those interested in 
attending the Training Working Group meetings.


Russell Deffner

russell.deff...@hotosm.org mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org

Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)

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*From:*Jorieke Vyncke [mailto:jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 4:56 AM
*To:* Nick Allen
*Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [HOT] Training WG meeting: Today (Sunday) 15:00 UTC

Hi all,

I was not able to connect, too bad. But I hope it was a fruitful 
discussion!


When exactly is the next meeting?

Best,

Jorieke

2014-09-07 17:13 GMT+02:00 Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com 
mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com:


Hi,

Quick reminder that the meeting is now on HOT IRC

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)



On 07/09/14 09:51, Claire Halleux wrote:

Hi Rafael,

  


You are right, thank you, IRC #hot channel is the place.

wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC

  


Claire

  

  


On 9/7/14, Rafael Avila Coyaravilac...@gmail.com  
mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com  wrote:

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Hi, Claire:

  


You forgot to say where you meet. I suppose in HOT IRC...

  


My connection is also sometimes tricky, but I will try to be there.

  


Cheers,

  


Rafael.

  


On 07/09/14 08:32, Claire Halleux wrote:

Dear All,

  


This is a late reminder for those interested that the Training

Working Group is meeting this Sunday at 15:00 UTC. I'm sorry I

haven't been able to properly update hackpads and wiki page due to

an awful connection lately, but for those who didn't have them yet

here are the links of our last meeting, the IRC log has already

been published thanks to a group member.

  


- Meeting Summary:

https://hackpad.com/HOT-Training-Working-Group-Meeting-5-wfxenWSPywi

  

  


- - Our Terms of Reference:https://hackpad.com/ep/pad/static/y5Wj5IF69Qb

- Here is our starting list of ideas to be developped through the

Training WG (please add yours too):


https://hackpad.com/Discussion-ideas-for-HOTs-training-working-group-mYgJQEbueIi

  


  Without any guarantee that I'll manage to get connected on time

today, I would warmly welcome anyone who can take the lead and a

few notes for this time in case you don't find me when the meeting

starts.

  


Looking forward seeing all those ideas becoming real. All the best

and have a nice day,

  


Claire

  


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Re: [HOT] Training WG meeting: Today (Sunday) 15:00 UTC

2014-09-07 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

Quick reminder that the meeting is now on HOT IRC

Regards

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 07/09/14 09:51, Claire Halleux wrote:

Hi Rafael,

You are right, thank you, IRC #hot channel is the place.
wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC

Claire


On 9/7/14, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi, Claire:

You forgot to say where you meet. I suppose in HOT IRC...

My connection is also sometimes tricky, but I will try to be there.

Cheers,

Rafael.

On 07/09/14 08:32, Claire Halleux wrote:

Dear All,

This is a late reminder for those interested that the Training
Working Group is meeting this Sunday at 15:00 UTC. I'm sorry I
haven't been able to properly update hackpads and wiki page due to
an awful connection lately, but for those who didn't have them yet
here are the links of our last meeting, the IRC log has already
been published thanks to a group member.

- Meeting Summary:
https://hackpad.com/HOT-Training-Working-Group-Meeting-5-wfxenWSPywi



- - Our Terms of Reference: https://hackpad.com/ep/pad/static/y5Wj5IF69Qb

- Here is our starting list of ideas to be developped through the
Training WG (please add yours too):
https://hackpad.com/Discussion-ideas-for-HOTs-training-working-group-mYgJQEbueIi

  Without any guarantee that I'll manage to get connected on time
today, I would warmly welcome anyone who can take the lead and a
few notes for this time in case you don't find me when the meeting
starts.

Looking forward seeing all those ideas becoming real. All the best
and have a nice day,

Claire


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Re: [HOT] HOT Tasking Manager: missing a frontpage by projects

2014-09-07 Thread Nick Allen


Pierre  Severin,

I agree with you both in that the layout of the home or front page could 
/ should be improved.


There is always going to be some discussion about 'urgent' or 'high', 
which will often vary according to the readers perspective - if it's 
your house on fire it tends to be your priority. But, the 
classifications at least give an indication - there are many of us who 
rely on 'someone in the organization' to look at the overall situation  
make an educated decision as to priorities  we at least take note of 
that guidance. There will be many times when my mapping (or validation) 
is based upon this priority system.


But I have also learnt that in life I need a certain amount of variety - 
I have in the past traced buildings day after day after day, but if that 
were the only type of task available to me, I would be unable to 
maintain my level of concentration  commitment for the months / years 
that the overall project  concept of HOT will require. The concept of 
themes or tags could allow a simple method of providing some level of 
variety for HOTties so they continue to contribute rather than drift 
away because they no longer felt challenged. Some tasks also need to be 
simple, or quick because someone is learning, or they know they only 
have a very limited amount of time available at that moment.


Before I retired my organisation changed many of its operating systems, 
and they reviewed their working systems on a regular basis - as a man 
manager I was encouraged to ensure my staff felt they could influence 
the decisions made - they had some form of 'ownership' of their working 
environment. We also encouraged a sense of geographical ownership, so 
that we attempted to make sure that our chosen geographical area 
received the best treatment - many of our staff went beyond what was 
expected of them because they felt an affiliation to an area or problem.


The TM tends to be our focal point, so it could contain more links to 
jobs which are outside of the normal 'map this square' requirement, as 
well as the more normal mapping requirements - Each task could therefore 
have a number of tags or labels applied to it, such as;
Quick / simple mapping, Complicated - involves correcting problems with 
relations, Urgent, Validating required, Suitable for newbies, Field 
Papers - adding address details following a ground survey, Missing Maps 
Project, Map Lesotho, MSF, Red Cross / Crescent, WASH data import, 
translation of article from French to Italian, etc..  some tasks are a 
simple link to a wiki or web page explaining what is required, etc..


I can see that what I've outlined here could easily appear messy, and 
careful design would be needed to ensure it does not degenerate into a 
flow chart nightmare.


I'm not sure how everyone else uses their time, but I look at the TM at 
least once a day, and to me it makes sense to have more links from it  
use it as the focal point it has become.


Regards

Nick (Tallguy)


On 04/09/14 22:36, Pierre Béland wrote:

Hi Severin,

While we discussed the development of V2, I proposed  to classify the 
jobs by project and to present on the main page the list of projects.


We can provide a link for the contributors to access all the jobs for 
a project like the link below. But I dont find it satisfactory.

http://tasks.hotosm.org/?sort_by=prioritydirection=ascsearch=south-sudan

With all the projects going on and these Major activations taking all 
the place, I can understand the frustration of many coordinators.


Your proposition of grouping the projects in various thematics is 
interesting.  And your classification looks satisfactory to me.


For a given project, we often use the same short_description text, 
from one job to the other. The contributors are confronted with a long 
list of description of projects. I dont find this very appealing.


What I would see is a hierarchy
Thematics
- Project
  - job
  - job

One enhancement would also be to use a hide / show functions with + , 
- signs to present the thematics, projects and jobs. At the beginning, 
only the title for each of these elements would be presented.


I would vote for such addition to be a priority in the developments to 
make to the TM.

Pierre


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*Envoyé le :* Jeudi 4 septembre 2014 16h17
*Objet :* [HOT] HOT Tasking Manager: missing a frontpage by projects

Hi,

The current front page of the Tasking Manager v2 looks like a lot to 
the v1, with a search bar and an automatic ranking. The default one is 
no more the creation date, but the priority .


Actually, this way of presenting the projects is quite messy and make 
invisible everything that is no high or urgent (and IMHO it is 
complicated to make the difference between high and urgent when it 
deals with a deep humanitarian crisis, between population

Re: [HOT] Validating TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers

2014-08-31 Thread Nick Allen


To all who have, Thank you for contributing to this thread.

Although I had been mapping for several years before I started mapping 
with HOT, I found my needs were similar to those described by others. I 
found myself trying to interpret satellite imagery without the benefit 
of having visited the area. In particular I started to realise that a 
lot of the mapping was not to do with what you could actually see, but 
what you could infer from it - highways are continuous despite the fact 
that trees get in the way. Round things that looked like bushes but had 
a funny shadow  worn ground around their bases were actually round 
huts, etc. etc.  In short, I needed someone to look at my mapping and 
say something like 'You're getting there, but you need to ...'.  
I mapped a lot, and nearly gave up because I didn't know if the mapping 
I was doing was actually any good, or if it was so bad that it was 
actually a hindrance.


Although it's possible to make even more errors if you have never mapped 
before, I feel that mapping for HOT is different to mapping the boring 
tarmac  brick houses of my home town, where I have the benefit of 
having walked, cycled  driven the area. An 'experienced' mapper may 
need the feedback as much as a new mapper.


I've now stood in front of several groups who wish to learn mapping for 
HOT, and I have stressed that they can get feedback about their mapping 
by looking at the validators comments (actually you don't need anything 
in the way of a comment, just so long as the square is checked and turns 
green, or is invalidated  you get a message.) The instructions go 
something like (I try to have pretty pictures as well!);

1. On the TM homepage, click in the box marked [] Your projects
2. Go to the stats tab of one of the projects you have completed squares 
in, and scroll through the list until you find your username - hover the 
mouse over your username  the squares you have marked as complete will 
be the only ones visible - click on one of the squares that has gone 
green  you will see the comments the validator has left.
3. You need to repeat this for every square you have completed, 
individually, and
4. You need to repeat this for each project, and for each of the squares 
in it.

!

Taking on board the comments  suggestions made by various people 
earlier in this thread, could someone please make it that I say;
Click on the big green button on the TM homepage that says 'Show me the 
feedback for any of my squares that have been validated', and when you 
click on it it takes you to a web page with

date . Square ID . Validators comment
date . Square ID . Validators comment
date . Square ID . Validators comment
date . Square ID . Validators comment
date . Square ID . Validators comment
etc

Although i like the idea of detailed stats., I think that anyone who 
manages to get started with HOT is capable of being a very good mapper 
given the right guidance  feedback, and I would not like statistics to 
stand in the way of that.


Thanks for reading.

Nick
(Tallguy)

On 31/08/14 18:47, Dan S wrote:

Hi Severin,

Sounds like a nice approach. However the first two steps are unneeded
- we can detect new users when they mark squares as done, not via
changeset hashtags. In my experience newcomers often forget to tag
changesets, so your approach would miss many of them - yet we already
know their username within the Tasking Manager.

Also I'm not keen on the idea of marking users as bad for such and
such. It would be better simply to have neutral state plus good for
such and such.

Best
Dan


2014-08-31 8:07 GMT+01:00 Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com:

Hi all,

Thinking aloud, would not be possible (actually asking tech people) to have
a tool allwing the following:
- detecting changesets with hotosm hashtags and picking up the username
- comparing the username to a list of HOTOSM contributors and stating if it
is new or not and already validated for a certain numbers of quality items
(like drawing buildings correctly, drawing roads correctly, tagging roads
correctly, etc.)
- when contributors have not been validated yet, a task is sent to a
validation team
- one team member picks up the task, check, validate the work of the
contributor and contact her/him if some mistakes. A form would be great,
with checkboxes for typical errors, and if making a typical one, the
contributor would receive in the answer link to the Learning point (there
are already quite a few in LearnOSM) dedicated to this error
- once done the hotosm contributor quality status for this contributor would
be: good for such and such aspects, bad for such and such ones and the
latter would then be tasked in the future for validators as soon as this
contributor would submit a new changeset

Thoughts?

Sincerely,

Severin


On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote:

Pierre,

A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in
order to ask

Re: [HOT] Validating TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers

2014-08-31 Thread Nick Allen


Hi,

On the subject of validation.

As someone who now spends most of their mapping time validating, I think 
we 'sell' it the wrong way. I only use the validation button in JOSM now 
if I think I am going to find something, and generally use the 
HOT-Validate paint Style (Well worth trying if you're a JOSM user, even 
if you don't validate). But I think even that is too much of a 
requirement. I have seen some excellent mapping by iD  Potlatch users  
I would like to see some of them carrying out validating - if they are 
capable of mapping to such a high standard then they are perfectly 
capable of zooming in to look at others work  saying 'yes', 'yes but', 
or 'no'. I rarely use the 'no' option and to be honest it could just as 
easily be an experienced mapper because it generally means there is a 
significant portion of the square not mapped (I like to think the 
imagery didn't load properly  that was why they missed the village 
entirely!)


Mapping =
I'd like to see us rewrite the manuals, wiki's, slideshows etc., so they 
show mapping for HOT needs roads connected, traced at a suitable scale  
classed more or less correctly (I don't think we should get too hung up 
about this - its often only when you are looking at an area of several 
squares in size that you can work out which are the primary, secondary, 
tertiary etc - get it traced, tag what it looks like  make sure that 
someone with an overview alters the tags later if need be). Buildings 
square or round and as accurate as they can be within reason. Rivers 
traced. leisure= common  amenity=school where appropriate - anything 
else specific to the project.


Validating=
Make sure that Mapping = was done ok.

It would be good to offer variety to our mappers  validating, if sold 
correctly, is not difficult  can be very rewarding. 99% of the time I'm 
making comments like 'All looks good, thanks'. Occasionally it's 
something like 'Looks good, but can you join the roads to each other  
not the landuse=residential boundary. I've sorted it this time', I 
worried for a while about sending messages to mappers about ways they 
could improve, but the feedback I've had from those concerned has been 
good, and I make sure I only send a message if it's obvious the person 
is making the same mistake consistently - a point in case being round 
huts which are not obvious unless someone points them out. (wiki entry 
about validating 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data 
if I've interested you).


I'd still like a tick box in the TM so that when I want to send my 
comments to the mapper, I can easily do so. But I don't think that is as 
important as allowing mappers easier access to the validators comments.


Just a few thoughts -  by the way, I'd welcome help from anyone who 
fancies doing more validating! If you'd like it, I'm quite happy to 
validate your validations until you feel more confident.


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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Validating TM2 - a send message button?

2014-08-30 Thread Nick Allen


Pierre,

A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in 
order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing 
something wrong, or don't know how to do something.


The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to 
check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to 
improve. The validation process is good for this as well as quality 
control - but it would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper 
to receive the comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them.


I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system where the 
validators comments are more easily available to the mapper, unless they 
opt to not receive them. I know that MSF  BRC were keen to offer help, 
and I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are 
asking for this feedback.


It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are new, so 
we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further.


Regards

Nick (Tallguy)
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