Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-17 Thread Jeffrey Martin
NO! That's not what is happening for me.

For me, what seems to be happening is that the EV is getting applied to each 
photo, so a bright photo becomes even more bright. I have to go back and 
manually assign EV=1 to all images.

Yes, I know I can correct for exposure etc. But I don't want to do that. I 
only want to align images. nothing else! And I don't want to have to 
manually fix something like this.

I can upload another example, with images from another camera. same thing.

Does anyone know what might be going on?

thanks,
Jeffrey

On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:15:48 PM UTC+1, Bruno Postle wrote:

 On Wed 16-Feb-2011 at 02:18 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:28:18 AM UTC+1, Bruno Postle wrote:
 
  Hugin reads the exposure from the photo exif. If you don't want this you
  can reset exposure in the camera and lens tab, but I can tell this 
 panorama
  won't be so nice without exposure correction.

 But the pano is *much worse* with the exposure adjustments that are made 
 by
 default. what you're suggesting is that images that have +2 exposure, get 
 an
 *additional* +2 exposure when put into hugin. at least, that's what is
 happening here.

 I don't see that, if I load your photos and don't do anything other 
 than set positions it looks fine - Hugin adjusts the global exposure 
 so the first photo effectively has no exposure correction, and the 
 other photos are adjusted to match their EXIF EV.

 It is quite bright because your first photo doesn't include any sky 
 and all the other photos have been relatively stopped down by the 
 camera, but the photos match each other and the seams are not very 
 visible even in the preview.

 If you use the Align.. button instead, then Hugin will also fine 
 tune the exposure differences and set the global exposure to the 
 average - This looks even nicer.

 If I remove exposure correction for all photos, then you get the 
 kind of thing we are trying to avoid: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383814@N00/5451289889/ 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-17 Thread Bruno Postle
Definitely not happening to me with the same set of photos. Are you sure you
have 'photometrics' enabled in the preview window?

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-16 Thread Bruno Postle
Hugin reads the exposure from the photo exif. If you don't want this you can
reset exposure in the camera and lens tab, but I can tell this panorama
won't be so nice without exposure correction.

Hugin is the best tool I know of for adjusting exposure and white balance in
jpeg images. We need proper tools, but the way I do it now is to take
screenshots and adjust red/blue until I get grey  greys in the Gimp colour
picker.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-16 Thread Jeffrey Martin


On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:28:18 AM UTC+1, Bruno Postle wrote:

 Hugin reads the exposure from the photo exif. If you don't want this you 
 can reset exposure in the camera and lens tab, but I can tell this panorama 
 won't be so nice without exposure correction.


But the pano is *much worse* with the exposure adjustments that are made by 
default. what you're suggesting is that images that have +2 exposure, get an 
*additional* +2 exposure when put into hugin. at least, that's what is 
happening here. so any difference is being exaggerated. I would call this a 
significant bug, wouldn't you?
 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-16 Thread Bruno Postle

On Wed 16-Feb-2011 at 02:18 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:

On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:28:18 AM UTC+1, Bruno Postle wrote:


Hugin reads the exposure from the photo exif. If you don't want this you
can reset exposure in the camera and lens tab, but I can tell this panorama
won't be so nice without exposure correction.



But the pano is *much worse* with the exposure adjustments that are made by
default. what you're suggesting is that images that have +2 exposure, get an
*additional* +2 exposure when put into hugin. at least, that's what is
happening here.


I don't see that, if I load your photos and don't do anything other 
than set positions it looks fine - Hugin adjusts the global exposure 
so the first photo effectively has no exposure correction, and the 
other photos are adjusted to match their EXIF EV.


It is quite bright because your first photo doesn't include any sky 
and all the other photos have been relatively stopped down by the 
camera, but the photos match each other and the seams are not very 
visible even in the preview.


If you use the Align.. button instead, then Hugin will also fine 
tune the exposure differences and set the global exposure to the 
average - This looks even nicer.


If I remove exposure correction for all photos, then you get the 
kind of thing we are trying to avoid: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383814@N00/5451289889/ 


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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-15 Thread Jeffrey Martin
Ok, Thanks... I know that the project can stitch ok, but I have these 
problems:

1) why is the exposure getting changed without me invoking any photometric 
stuff? I don't want any exposure correction. I load images, generate CP's, 
and optimize. and all the images' brightness has been changed (presumably 
even before i generate cp's and optimize)

2) I know that Hugin isn't the best tool to adjust white balance in jpegs 
but I like abusing software :) so if my images happen to be shot on the 
wrong WB (as these ones) I don't see an intuitive way to change them to a 
better appearance. I know Bruno did it, but I don't know how he found the 
right numbers.

thanks,
Jeffrey

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-15 Thread Jeffrey Martin
The dog found us, about 5 years ago, I had nothing to do with it. You can 
see him in a lot of my panos :-)



On Monday, February 14, 2011 11:14:31 PM UTC+1, Stefan wrote:

 BTW, where did you get that dog from? I somehow never managed to get
 such a perfect fitting extra in any of my images;)



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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-14 Thread Jeffrey Martin
here are some of the images:

www.vrlog.net/temp/dog-grave-1row.zip (69MB)

if you put them in Hugin, and generate control points, and then optimize, 
you should see that the exposure was also changed on all the images.

additionally you'll notice the WB for these images is wrong - I know that it 
is possible to make it look correct using Hugin, but I can't for the life of 
me find the right numbers for red/blue weight to make that work. there must 
be a better way, right? :-)

Jeffrey

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-14 Thread Bruno Postle

On Mon 14-Feb-2011 at 08:37 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:

here are some of the images:

www.vrlog.net/temp/dog-grave-1row.zip (69MB)

if you put them in Hugin, and generate control points, and then optimize,
you should see that the exposure was also changed on all the images.


It looks fine to me using just the three steps on the Assistant tab, 
did you try stitching?


Preview after 'Align': 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383814@N00/5446434550/


Preview with 'Photometrics' enabled: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383814@N00/5446435194/


Preview after setting red/blue to 0.54/1.62: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383814@N00/5445835355/


Final stitched output: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36383814@N00/5446447682/



additionally you'll notice the WB for these images is wrong - I know that it
is possible to make it look correct using Hugin, but I can't for the life of
me find the right numbers for red/blue weight to make that work. there must
be a better way, right? :-)


We need buttons for adjusting global white balance, maybe a colour 
picker, and support for displaying photos in the preview using icc 
profiles. http://wiki.panotools.org/SoC_2010_ideas#Colour


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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-14 Thread Stefan Peter
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Hi Jeffrey

This [0] is the preview I get from a new project using hugin
2010.5.0.ad4e44f10418 and your pictures,

The final image looks like  [1]. You can find the project file at [2].
- From my point of view, there is nothing wrong with the stitching of
these images done by hugin. Or did I miss something?

Of course, I used the photometric optimization from the Exposure tab,
but that is what it is for, isn't it? And WB is something that should be
handled by your raw converter (or in-camera if you shoot jpgs). You can
not really expect that hugin will handle that.

BTW, where did you get that dog from? I somehow never managed to get
such a perfect fitting extra in any of my images;)


With kind regards

Stefan Peter

[0] http://www.stepet.ch/docgraves/docgravesPreview.png
[1] http://www.stepet.ch/docgraves/P197-P1000112.tif
[2] http://www.stepet.ch/docgraves/P197-P1000112.pto

Am 14.02.2011 17:37, schrieb Jeffrey Martin:
 here are some of the images:
 
 www.vrlog.net/temp/dog-grave-1row.zip (69MB)
 
 if you put them in Hugin, and generate control points, and then
 optimize, you should see that the exposure was also changed on all the
 images.
 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-02 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I used both ubuntu and os x 10.6, hugin 2010.5.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:31:05 PM UTC+1, Stefan wrote:

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 Hi Jeffrey

 What happens if you actually _do_ the photometric optimization?
 And on what OS/Hugin version did you get these results with?
 I won't have much time for following this issue for the next couple of
 days, but if this is a pressing  mater for you, please put your images
 (and the pto file) online somewhere, an I will have a look.

 Regards

 Stefan Peter

 Am 01.02.2011 15:31, schrieb Jeffrey Martin:
  But I didn't optimize *anything* except yaw, pitch, roll.
  
  this was shot using a standard panasonic compact camera on full
  automatic (locked white balance)
  
  should i upload all the source images and the project file so that
  someone else can take a look at the problem?
  
  thanks,
  Jeffrey
  
  
  
  On Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:18:42 AM UTC+1, bruno.postle wrote:
  
  On Sat 29-Jan-2011 at 12:11 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
  
  I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and then
  optimized.
  No photometric correction was applied.
  
  The EV of the panorama is set to the EV of the first photo (12.61).  
  
  Optimising photometric parameters, either with the Exposure tab or
  with the Assistant tab, will set the panorama EV to an average of
  the photos.  You can also click on the button in the Preview window
  that does the same.
  
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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-02 Thread Jeffrey Martin
Hi Bruno,

that's my problem - i created the pano manually, yet hugin changed the 
global exposure for me, without asking or telling me.

i can only guess that this is a bug. the pictures are quite normal 
straight out of a normal camera

i'll upload the source images and pto file.



On Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:49:10 PM UTC+1, bruno.postle wrote:

 On Tue 01-Feb-2011 at 06:31 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
  But I didn't optimize *anything* except yaw, pitch, roll.

 Yes, if you create the project manually rather than using the 
 assistant then Hugin doesn't do automatic stuff like setting the 
 panorama to the average EV.

 There is a Reset button on the Fast Preview window to do this, an 
 equivalent thing happens if you optimise photometric parameters.

 -- 
 Bruno

  this was shot using a standard panasonic compact camera on full automatic 

  (locked white balance)

  On Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:18:42 AM UTC+1, bruno.postle wrote:
  
   On Sat 29-Jan-2011 at 12:11 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
   
I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and 
then optimized.  No photometric correction was applied.
  
   The EV of the panorama is set to the EV of the first photo 
   (12.61).
  
   Optimising photometric parameters, either with the Exposure tab 
   or with the Assistant tab, will set the panorama EV to an 
   average of the photos.  You can also click on the button in the 
   Preview window that does the same.


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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-02 Thread Bruno Postle

On Wed 02-Feb-2011 at 07:49 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:


that's my problem - i created the pano manually, yet hugin changed 
the global exposure for me, without asking or telling me.


In your screenshots the first photo has EV 12.61 and in the Preview 
window the global EV is set to 12.61.


Does the exposure of the panorama as a whole look like the exposure 
of the first photo?


i can only guess that this is a bug. the pictures are quite 
normal straight out of a normal camera


i'll upload the source images and pto file.


That would be useful.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-01 Thread Jeffrey Martin
But I didn't optimize *anything* except yaw, pitch, roll. 

this was shot using a standard panasonic compact camera on full automatic 
(locked white balance)

should i upload all the source images and the project file so that someone 
else can take a look at the problem?

thanks,
Jeffrey



On Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:18:42 AM UTC+1, bruno.postle wrote:

 On Sat 29-Jan-2011 at 12:11 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 
 I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and then 
 optimized.
 No photometric correction was applied.

 The EV of the panorama is set to the EV of the first photo (12.61).  

 Optimising photometric parameters, either with the Exposure tab or 
 with the Assistant tab, will set the panorama EV to an average of 
 the photos.  You can also click on the button in the Preview window 
 that does the same.

 -- 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-01 Thread Stefan Peter
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Hi Jeffrey

What happens if you actually _do_ the photometric optimization?
And on what OS/Hugin version did you get these results with?
I won't have much time for following this issue for the next couple of
days, but if this is a pressing  mater for you, please put your images
(and the pto file) online somewhere, an I will have a look.

Regards

Stefan Peter

Am 01.02.2011 15:31, schrieb Jeffrey Martin:
 But I didn't optimize *anything* except yaw, pitch, roll.
 
 this was shot using a standard panasonic compact camera on full
 automatic (locked white balance)
 
 should i upload all the source images and the project file so that
 someone else can take a look at the problem?
 
 thanks,
 Jeffrey
 
 
 
 On Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:18:42 AM UTC+1, bruno.postle wrote:
 
 On Sat 29-Jan-2011 at 12:11 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 
 I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and then
 optimized.
 No photometric correction was applied.
 
 The EV of the panorama is set to the EV of the first photo (12.61).  
 
 Optimising photometric parameters, either with the Exposure tab or
 with the Assistant tab, will set the panorama EV to an average of
 the photos.  You can also click on the button in the Preview window
 that does the same.
 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-02-01 Thread Bruno Postle

On Tue 01-Feb-2011 at 06:31 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:

But I didn't optimize *anything* except yaw, pitch, roll.


Yes, if you create the project manually rather than using the 
assistant then Hugin doesn't do automatic stuff like setting the 
panorama to the average EV.


There is a Reset button on the Fast Preview window to do this, an 
equivalent thing happens if you optimise photometric parameters.


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this was shot using a standard panasonic compact camera on full automatic 
(locked white balance)



On Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:18:42 AM UTC+1, bruno.postle wrote:

 On Sat 29-Jan-2011 at 12:11 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 
  I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and 
  then optimized.  No photometric correction was applied.


 The EV of the panorama is set to the EV of the first photo 
 (12.61).


 Optimising photometric parameters, either with the Exposure tab 
 or with the Assistant tab, will set the panorama EV to an 
 average of the photos.  You can also click on the button in the 
 Preview window that does the same.


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[hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Martin
while stitching a pano, the exposure seem to be changed. 

I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and then optimized. 
No photometric correction was applied.

I have a screenshot showing a source image, and the pano preview. you can 
see that the preview image is far too bright.  [1]

I checked the whole project and it seems there is no exposure correction 
being applied. [2]

You can see the final pano which looks like the preview. [3]
Can anyone advise what the problem might be?

thanks!
Jeffrey

[1] www.vrlog.net/temp/exposure-problem.jpg
[2] www.vrlog.net/temp/exposure-tab.jpg
[3] www.vrlog.net/temp/bright-pano.jpg 

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-01-29 Thread Tim Nugent
Maybe the EXIV data has been misread. What EV values do your images have in
the Camera and Lens tab? You can set it manually for all the images, or hit
reset here too.

Tim

On 29 January 2011 21:11, Jeffrey Martin 360cit...@gmail.com wrote:

 while stitching a pano, the exposure seem to be changed.

 I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and then
 optimized. No photometric correction was applied.

 I have a screenshot showing a source image, and the pano preview. you can
 see that the preview image is far too bright.  [1]

 I checked the whole project and it seems there is no exposure correction
 being applied. [2]

 You can see the final pano which looks like the preview. [3]
 Can anyone advise what the problem might be?

 thanks!
 Jeffrey

 [1] www.vrlog.net/temp/exposure-problem.jpg
 [2] www.vrlog.net/temp/exposure-tab.jpg
 [3] www.vrlog.net/temp/bright-pano.jpg

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Re: [hugin-ptx] exposure getting changed in preview window

2011-01-29 Thread Bruno Postle

On Sat 29-Jan-2011 at 12:11 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote:


I didn't press 'align images'. rather, i generated CP's, and then optimized.
No photometric correction was applied.


The EV of the panorama is set to the EV of the first photo (12.61).  

Optimising photometric parameters, either with the Exposure tab or 
with the Assistant tab, will set the panorama EV to an average of 
the photos.  You can also click on the button in the Preview window 
that does the same.


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