Re: [IAEP] A pending donation to Sugar Labs
Great work as always Chris! On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam < ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Really great!!!. > > -- > > Ibiam Chihurumnaya <ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com> > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:00 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote: > >> Awesome!! >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- [image: photo] *Gonzalo Odiard* Lider de proyecto tel.: <tel.:+4210-7748>2081-6424 y 2082-0312 | www.trinom.ioAv Calchaqui 4936· 2do Piso. Quilmes <http://www.facebook.com/trinomiosrl> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/trinom-io> ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon
According to the result of this motion, sugar-artwork repository should be updated. Gonzalo On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> > wrote: > >> I agree with Sameer; if we want to debate this, this really needs a >> lawyer's opinion. Either that or just asking OLPC Inc. what they consider >> acceptable. >> > > In fact, getting a lawyer's opinion is exactly what we are doing. > >> >> Sugar has been using the XO logo for approximately 11 years now. My >> non-lawyer opinion is that if someone was to complain, they would be barred >> by estoppel for having known about it, but failing to make a claim in a >> timely manner. >> >> By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be >> distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and Ubuntu >> cannot be distributed because it contains the name and logos owned by >> Canonical? >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Sebastian Silva < >> sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 15/09/17 09:12, Walter Bender wrote: >>> >>> (A2) Sugar Artwork, including the xo-computer icon, is currently >>> licensed under the GPL and we would like our downstream users to be able to >>> use all of our artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use >>> of any trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no opinion. >>> >>> >>> There is a (hopefully not intentional?) flaw in this answer. The board >>> was in a rush to pass the motion, but it should be more careful when >>> communicating with our legal counsel. >>> >>> SLOBs, please clarify: >>> >>> "(...) we would like our downstream users to be able to use all of our >>> artwork under the terms of that license (GPL)" >>> >>> Sugar Labs does not distribute Sugar to end users. Instead it >>> distributes Sugar to distributors (Debian, Fedora) who have their own >>> downstream projects (OLPC, Trisquel, Ubuntu). In turn these distributions >>> are often bundled with hardware vendors products or local service >>> provider's services: *These last groups are the most threatened by a >>> potential Trademark dispute.* >>> >>> Does restricting the answer to "users" mean Sugar Labs Oversight Board >>> does not care about these actor's freedoms? >>> >>> Please also clarify: >>> >>> "As far as the use of any trademark image outside of the context of >>> Sugar, we have no opinion. " >>> >>> This is contradictory with the previous statement. The terms of the GPL >>> provide for licensees to be able to use the source for *any purpose.* A >>> Trademarked logo cannot be used for any purpose. This is basically the >>> legal reason to keep any Trademark out of the Sugar User Interface. >>> >>> Regards and happy Software Freedom Day to all, >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> >> >> ___ >> SLOBs mailing list >> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >> >> > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > <http://www.sugarlabs.org> > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- [image: photo] *Gonzalo Odiard* Lider de proyecto tel.: <tel.:+4210-7748>2081-6424 y 2082-0312 | www.trinom.ioAv Calchaqui 4936· 2do Piso. Quilmes <http://www.facebook.com/trinomiosrl> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/trinom-io> ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members
I have been removed from the list. What was the criteria used to remove old members? I am not involved in the development right now, but I see people who was not involved for a much longer time. Gonzalo Odiard On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Samuel Cantero <scante...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> > wrote: > >> Dear Samuel, >> >> I just checked and your email is not on the original list, so it would be >> normal you didn't get either of the verification emails. >> >> Are you sure you went trough the new member process? If yes could you >> re-send to membersATsugarlabs.org the email membership request or a new one >> if not? >> > > I didn't know about a membership process. is that really necessary to send > another email for it? > >> >> Will be happy to add you. >> >> Regards, >> >> Laura V >> >> >> >> >> 2017-07-06 10:44 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero <scante...@gmail.com>: >> >>> I didn't receive the email (twice). maybe a typo in my email address? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Sam C. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, hola a todos! >>>> >>>> I'm happy to report that after second round of emails verification >>>> (Thank you Ignacio!), emails corrections and addition of new members >>>> (Welcome Hilary!), we have a current total 140 members: >>>> >>>> 1 Aaron Borden >>>> 2 Adam Holt >>>> 3 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn >>>> 4 Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera >>>> 5 Alexander Dupuy >>>> 6 Alfonso de la Guarda >>>> 7 Ana Cichero Mildwurf >>>> 8 Andreas Gros >>>> 9 Andres Aguirre >>>> 10 Andrés Ambrois >>>> 11 Aneesh Dogra >>>> 12 Anish Mangal >>>> 13 Anne Gentle >>>> 14 Antonio Carlos >>>> 15 Anurag Goel >>>> 16 Asaf Paris Mandoki >>>> 17 Avni Khatri >>>> 18 Benjamin Berg >>>> 19 Benjamin Mako Hill >>>> 20 Bernie Innocenti >>>> 21 Bert Freudenberg >>>> 22 Bill Bogstad >>>> 23 Bob Stepno >>>> 24 Carla Gomez Monroy >>>> 25 Carol Lerche >>>> 26 Carol Ruth Silver >>>> 27 Caryl Bigenho >>>> 28 Chris Ball >>>> 29 Chris Leonard >>>> 30 Christoph Derndorfer >>>> 31 Claudia Urrea >>>> 32 Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas >>>> 33 Daksh Shah >>>> 34 Dan Williams >>>> 35 Dan Winship >>>> 36 Daniel Castelo >>>> 37 David Van Assche >>>> 38 David Wallace >>>> 39 Edward Cherlin >>>> 40 Eli Heuer >>>> 41 Enrique Mayorga González >>>> 42 Erik Blankinship >>>> 43 Frederick Grose >>>> 44 Gary Martin >>>> 45 George Hunt >>>> 46 Gerald Ardito >>>> 47 Greg DeKoenigsberg >>>> 48 Greg Smith >>>> 49 Guillaume Desmottes >>>> 50 Harriet Vidyasagar >>>> 51 Henry Hardy >>>> 52 Henry Holtzman >>>> 53 Hernan Pachas >>>> 54 Hilary Naylor >>>> 55 I. T. Daniher >>>> 56 Iain Davidson >>>> 57 Ian Bicking >>>> 58 Ibiam Chihurumnaya >>>> 59 Ifeanyi Mattew >>>> 60 Ignacio Rodríguez >>>> 61 Irma Couretot >>>> 62 James F. Carroll >>>> 63 James Simmons >>>> 64 Jean Piché >>>> 65 Jecel Assumpcao >>>> 66 Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez >>>> 67 Jim Gettys >>>> 68 John Watlington >>>> 69 Jose Antonio Rocha >>>> 70 Jose Miguel Garcia >>>> 71 Juan Camilo Lema >>>> 72 June Kleider >>>> 73 Kaif Khan >>>> 74 Kevin Cole >>>> 75 Kim Rose >>>> 76 Laura Victoria Vargas >>>> 77 Lionel Laske >>>> 78 Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez >>>> 79 Luke Faraone >>>> 80 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton >>>> 81 Manu Cornet >>>> 82 Manusheel Gupta >>>> 83 Marc Maurer >>>> 84 Marco Pesenti Gritti >>>> 85 Marcos Orfila >>>> 86 Mariah ELi >>>> 87 Martin Dengler >>>> 88 Martin Langhoff >>>> 89 Matt Lee >>>> 90 Mel Chua >>>> 91 Michael Stone >>>> 92 Nathanael Lécaudé >>>> 93
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Approach
+1 to Sam comments. I think we should ask before implement a digital tool: Why X should be done with a computer? Is better than do it with real paper, pencils, scissors, etc? Enable anything new? Scale better? Can reach more users? Just my two cent Gonzalo On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Sam P. <sam@sam.today> wrote: > Hi Samson, > > They are interesting in a way, and they seem to have a nice presentation > editor. Maybe that could be something to hack with the new collab text > editor apis? > > But I disagree with their approach many ways. I was chatting with some > people about this and struggled to see pedagogical use of many of their > tools: > > * "Quickfire" quiz thing - is talking to students hard? Is it hard to get > them to pass you an answer on paper? Well, spend a lot of time setting up > some computer thing instead! > * "Discuss" - too hard to get kids to put up hands to discuss something? > Too hard to get them into groups? Too hard to "pair share pair" or > whatever strategy? Have them talk at each other over the internet, after > wasting time fussing with tech. > * "Team Up" - too hard to get them into groups irl? Too hard to let them > talk so they can work together? Too hard to use a normal presentation app > to make slides? Use this thing! > > Overall, I think this represents an interesting trend in edu tech - making > normal classroom things digital. This is a trend that I view as useless > from my experiences. These are not useful tools for teachers to teach > with, it doesn't let the kids make things or research things. The > currently successful devices in edu tech seem to be chromebooks - which > don't add a single thing that is educational. Instead they have > collaboration for word processing, slides, etc. Real tools for making real > stuff. > > Spiral does make me thing about what our approach should be though (hint: > not like spiral) - making tools for kids to work together and make stuff. > Tools that teachers can use in their lesson plans. > > Thanks, > Sam > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:08 PM, samson goddy <samsongo...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Someone tweeted @sugar_labs via twitter, asking if the sugarlabs might be >> interested in this application. But it seems like she does not know that >> Sugar Labs has an OS. But the interesting thing is the approach about the >> application. It will be really good to have something like this as an >> activity in Sugar OS so it might make work for teachers in school easier. >> Here is the link to the site http://spiral.ac/r/miB >> >> Samson >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Gonzalo Odiard ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Google Code In
I am afraid that I will not have too much time to mentor this year. Gonzalo On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sugar Labs is considering applying for Google Code In again (the > application process begins in October). As you may recall, Google Code > In is a programming contest for youths ages 13-17, where the tasks are > specific to the needs of the participating organization. It is through > Google Code In that we have been able to grow the ranks of our > developer ranks and also get some outstanding documentation written, > as well as feedback from our target audience about our work. It has > been a very positive experience for Sugar Labs over the past three > years. So why would not make every effort to participate again this > year? It is simply a matter of numbers. We need mentors. I've > personally carried the bulk of the administrative and mentoring > overhead in past years, but I need help this year as I have some > additional obligations in December and January. Are there members of > the community willing to help me this year? If so, please step > forward. > > regards. > > -walter > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Gonzalo Odiard ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder
Sorry, I missed your email and forgotten the meeting. About the time for the Wednesday meeting, could be earlier? (like 22 UTC) Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Spanish help translation, now in help.sugarlabs.org
Our Spanish users, now can get translated help content on help.sugarlabs.org !! Thanks Sam Parkinson :) -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software [for | by] children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF July meeting
Don't forget http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.5 On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello folks, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting this Saturday, July 11th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl). Agenda - Meet and greet - Sora Edwards-Thro of Unleash Kids discussing her recent work in Haiti. - Project updates Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. Everyone is welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global) projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to play around with, too. Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/1692606434305735/ Google+ https://plus.google.com/events/c2kucel1s3cmml9eqn04ocnh8t0 -- Aaron Borden Human and Hacker ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software [for | by] children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Announcing OLPC OS 13.2.5 with Sugar 0.106
Great! Congratulations to all! On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:56 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: G'day, We're pleased to announce the release of OLPC OS 13.2.5 for XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4. It is Sugar 0.106 on Fedora 18, with Social Help, new activities, and improved display controls in the frame. Details of new features, known issues, and how to download, install or upgrade can be found in the release notes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.5 Many thanks to all contributors, testers, upstreams, and those who have provided feedback of any kind. All feedback on the release should be directed to devel@ mailing list, thanks. All feedback on Sugar 0.106 should be directed to sugar-devel@ list. Build file names: 32017o0 32017o1 32017o2 32017o4 -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software [for | by] children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Membership and Elections Committee Interim Report for July 6, 2015
Thanks Caryl! On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Sebastian, Samson, and I have been working on the details for updating the SugarLabs membership list and conducting the long-overdue SLOBS election. Please see the attached document for details on what we have concluded will be the best way to proceed. You may wish to refer to the attached document at the meeting Monday evening. I will be there and Samson will try to attend as well. Sebastian is in Las Amazonas at the moment and may not be able to join us. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software [for | by] children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] meeting reminder
One topic to talk in this meeting is dedicate the 0.106 release to Marco Pesenti Gritti memory. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Good. Please confirm assistance, Sebastian, Caryl and Samson. Gonzalo On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We meet again on Monday (first Monday of the month) at 7PM EST (0:00 UTC). Among other topics, I hope to be able to discuss plans for an election with the Membership committee. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software [for | by] children learning -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software [for | by] children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] ALERT JUSTICE DOWN [24 hours without response] (!)
Any chance to check if disks are dying or there other reason for these instabilities? Gonzalo On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: +systems@ I rebooted justice from the management console and it's now responding to pings. I couldn't view the screen capture and I had no time to go to the Media Lab to physically inspect the machine, so I don't understand the root cause. As reported by Dogi, Justice seems to crash every 1-2 months. I suggest we try the following steps: 1. upgrade justice to Ubuntu 14.04 (like we did with freedom 1yr ago) 2. if crashes continue, go to the server room and swap the drives with freedom (which is our hot-swap server and doesn't currently run anything critical) 3. Ask again the ML to give one of us physical access to the server room. I work nearby, but I have trouble leaving during office hours on a personal errand and if anything happens over a week-end we're in trouble. Sebastian: you should at least get access to the management console. Ping me on IRC and I'll send you the credentials on a secure channel. On 06/18/2015 10:40 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote: Hello Sugar Oversight Board, Sugar Labs Members, Our main production server virtual machine host is down and I can't reach it. We have several systems that depend on this infrastructure, including pootle server which was actively being used by translators of Aymara and Awajun native languages. I respectfully request that you call on the phone whoever has physical access to this machine and we try to bring it back online. I think this should be either Bernie Inocenti or Stefan Unterhauser. Also, I would like to request for more volunteers from infrasctucure team to have virtual terminal access to these machines (not just ssh), or to put them in a proper collocation service where we can get some support. Thanks in advance for your help. Sebastian On 17/06/15 20:55, Sebastian Silva wrote: Affected services: translate.sugarlabs.org git.sugarlabs.org packages.sugarlabs.org On 17/06/15 20:48, Sebastian Silva wrote: We can't reach it. Anybody with physical access to the machine please respond. Regards, Sebastian -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Deployments survey results
Updated the doc, with more replies we received. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/9/9a/Deploy_survey_2015_summary-v1.1.pdf Created a page in the wiki to publish the results http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/DeploymentSurvey2015 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello community, In the last months, the SuarLabs Oversight Board run a survey between people involved in the deployments, with the objective of get information to help us evaluate alternatives for future developments at SugarLabs, Here is a document we elaborated, summarizing the results of the survey: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/4/48/Survey_summary.pdf This is a little step to try improve our communication with the deployments. If you are involved in a deployment, and would like to participate in future communications, just send me a email. Regards, -- SugarLabs Oversight Board -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting
Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates I have considered it, but there are two obstacles: First, my current employer requires me to obtain permission from them to be on the board of a non-profit. This is not insurmountable, but likely requires proving (amongst other things) that I can completely isolate Sugar from anything my employer pays me to do for all hours that my employer pays me to work. Second, I would like to see some more public signs of organic growth besides the Google events before I commit more than a few hours per week. My available time outside of work is limited, and I have no intention of providing free labor for someone's unknown customer. I hope you run. The board can't guaranty organic growth but just try involve and connect members in the community. Is not a executive group. But this thread show how we can see this in different ways, you asked What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments in the latest development survey. I interpreted what the board did and replied Still nothing James provided a reply with what different members in the community did, and is a completely different reply. Then, I agree would be better more people involved in the board meetings. Walter, can you confirm if will be next monday or the 8th and the time? James, the slobs meeting is usually at our night, then you are awake ;) Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting
All are good questions. Some replies below. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote: Looking at past minutes, I think I am proposing more of a change in procedure than topics for the oversight meeting. We need to get more people involved than are present in the IRC meetings. I don't see how changing the communication media used for the meeting will get more people involved. In particular audio/video chat is worst than text when there are more people. But I agree we need more people in the meetings. In general I am echoing what was said on the Planning for the Future email thread from three months ago. But some topics (for the oversight meeting or an all-hands meeting) would be: 1. What can Sugar publicly commit to having in terms of users/developers/finances/etc. beyond what was mentioned in the deployment survey. Witness Dan's complaints over the 3 million number, James noting no one filed a bug report for Sugar 0.105.1 yet, the lack of candidates for past elections, the lack of interaction between the XS development and Sugar development communities, etc. It also would be useful to know what users/developers/etc. could publicly commit to Sugar. When we talked about the deployments survey, someone proposed make a survey in the community too. I think that would be a good idea. We need know who is active and what can do. And think in the community globally, not only developers. We need testers, deployers, teachers, infrastructure people, translators, write documentation, improve our web space, marketing, etc. 1. What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments in the latest development survey. Still nothing. We received replies from 3 more deployments, then I will update the summary and release a version 1.1 We also prepared a thank you reply email for who replied to the survey, and I started to send it. 1. A complete holistic overhaul of how releases are done and marketed. Sugar was originally created with a if you build it, they will come approach that many community members have at least privately complained about. We need real-world examples of how to integrate Sugar with curriculums, reference deployments willing to speak with prospective ones, etc. Setting up Sugar needs to be no harder than a child using it for the first time. Good points, we need find a way to set priorities and find the resources (even if is volunteer time) to make them a reality. 1. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides GSoC) and project sponsors. 2. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to the Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage with other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar. This does not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it would give us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types of deployments. Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates Gonzalo On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: The next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is on Monday. Anyone in the community is, as always, welcome to suggest discussion topics. -walter On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote: I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar. But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver, etc.) could raise a topic and attend. If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google Hangout. For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting confused by each other). There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could happen given a wider audience. --- SJG ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] sugar numbers
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: Dan - if you are sincerely interested in the numbers, why don't you write to the education ministries? In serious research, as in serious journalism, you need to consult official sources. Sean Daly (no e) I would like to thank everyone for their responses. They findings of Mr Holt, Ms Edwards-Thro, and Mr Silva correlate with my own findings in those countries, less than 100% of XO laptops are in daily use. How long will the website will continue to state 3 million users when that number, and the method used to calculate it, have been shown to be overstated. Is dismissing the questioner as a troll an academically honest solution to resolving the discrepancy? Until the web site is not updated, will be as is today. I see the numbers are important for you, but we want redesign the site, and need volunteers to prepare the content and the design. (You already see my email a time ago about this) We have many reasons to change the web site, we need people to work on that. And we want a professional work, that is the reason I don't try to modify it, because I am a developer, and developer suck at design ;/ And the content is not easy, in the last days, a few members of the community worked in the content for the SoaS page, ( https://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/) and that took a lot of mail interchanges and time. Gonzalo -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar DIgest 2015-05-26
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is with great sadness that write these words: Marco Presenti Gritti, the principal Sugar developer from Red Hat from 2006 to 2008 and one of the founders of Sugar Labs, passed away this past weekend after a long illness. Marco was a brilliant engineer whose work still reverberates throughout the Sugar stack and a warm, personable colleague, father, and husband. We will miss you Marco. Our condolences to his family and friends. I din't have the luck of work with him, but his work is everywhere in Sugar, we can dedicate 0.106 to him. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.105.1 (feature frozen)
For the adventurous, wanting to test the next version of Sugar, here there are testing images -- Forwarded message -- From: German Ruiz - FundacionZT gr...@fundacionzt.org Date: Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.105.1 (feature frozen) To: Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com Cc: Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Images for XO's with Sugar-0.105.1, please test it :) = XO1 = http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/1/32002SL0.img http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/1/32002SL0.crc http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/1/32002SL0.img.md5 = XO1.5 = http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/15/32002SL1.zd http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/15/32002SL1.zd.md5 = XO1.75 = Coming soon! = XO4 = Coming soon! I've built with olpc-os-builder v7.0 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.106/Testing#Testing_with_a_XO_.28XO_Images.29 -- German R ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] New Fedora Spins Site
Fedora Design Team is working in the new Fedora Spins site. Sugar on a Stick is included there, and they are asking for feedback and content. http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2015/05/07/time-to-kick-the-tires-on-the-new-fedora-websites-in-staging/ Who can provide the information requested? -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Another little computer kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer Looks like all the software and hardware is open... -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Deployments survey results
Hello community, In the last months, the SuarLabs Oversight Board run a survey between people involved in the deployments, with the objective of get information to help us evaluate alternatives for future developments at SugarLabs, Here is a document we elaborated, summarizing the results of the survey: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/4/48/Survey_summary.pdf This is a little step to try improve our communication with the deployments. If you are involved in a deployment, and would like to participate in future communications, just send me a email. Regards, -- SugarLabs Oversight Board ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Browse version using Webkit2
I was trying to find a solution for the problem of Browse in XO-1. After try use a old version of Browse, based in gecko, and recompile the dependencies without success, I started to work in the port of Browse from WebKit to WebKit2. That will not work in Fedora 18 (because Webkit2 crash in F18), but could solve the problem in the new community images based in Fedora 20. I have a basic version working, still with a lot of errors, but is possible navigate, download and see pdf files and multimedia files. A testing version (not for distribution) is here [1] TESTING: I can't connect to internet with my XO-1 with the community edition image, if anybody can, please test this version and verify if this bug [2] is still present and if the activity crashes. Report any error you find. Known issues: * History is not restored. * Ugly error messages DEVELOPMENT: The porting is done in the branch webkit2 [3] Master will only receive critical fixes. When the port is ready, will be merged in master. Code pending to port is identified by a a comment # TODO PORT I found some blockers I couldn't solve yet: * The objects where the information about the history is stored have read only properties (title and url), I can recreate the history with the data stored in the journal metadata. * Need a mechanism to configure where download files, right now is done in the Downloads directory and later copied to the journal. * The error callback function in browser.py receive a int instead of a GError. Looks as a introspection error. * Don't know how store the coockies needed by the xs server with the new API. [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/Browse-158.xo [2] https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12866 [3] https://github.com/sugarlabs/browse-activity/commits/webkit2 [4] http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkit2gtk/stable/WebKitBackForwardListItem.html -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Browse version using Webkit2
Testing old version of Browse in community version images, I can't reproduce bug #12866 If we could solve the connectivity / collaboration issues... Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I was trying to find a solution for the problem of Browse in XO-1. After try use a old version of Browse, based in gecko, and recompile the dependencies without success, I started to work in the port of Browse from WebKit to WebKit2. That will not work in Fedora 18 (because Webkit2 crash in F18), but could solve the problem in the new community images based in Fedora 20. I have a basic version working, still with a lot of errors, but is possible navigate, download and see pdf files and multimedia files. A testing version (not for distribution) is here [1] TESTING: I can't connect to internet with my XO-1 with the community edition image, if anybody can, please test this version and verify if this bug [2] is still present and if the activity crashes. Report any error you find. Known issues: * History is not restored. * Ugly error messages DEVELOPMENT: The porting is done in the branch webkit2 [3] Master will only receive critical fixes. When the port is ready, will be merged in master. Code pending to port is identified by a a comment # TODO PORT I found some blockers I couldn't solve yet: * The objects where the information about the history is stored have read only properties (title and url), I can recreate the history with the data stored in the journal metadata. * Need a mechanism to configure where download files, right now is done in the Downloads directory and later copied to the journal. * The error callback function in browser.py receive a int instead of a GError. Looks as a introspection error. * Don't know how store the coockies needed by the xs server with the new API. [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/Browse-158.xo [2] https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12866 [3] https://github.com/sugarlabs/browse-activity/commits/webkit2 [4] http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkit2gtk/stable/WebKitBackForwardListItem.html -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Browse version using Webkit2
Thanks for testing. I will continue working trying to solve the remaining issues. Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:39 PM, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: Thanks for working on the browser issue and hope more people get involved so that the XO-1 can get the recent software update - all except XO-1 currrently because of the browser issue. I notice when I point the current browser to www.youtube.com I get kickout and it will return me back to start menu. Cheers and look forward to more development. -Original Message- From: Gonzalo Odiard [mailto:godi...@sugarlabs.org] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:47 PM To: 'Sugar-dev Devel', 'iaep' Subject: Re: [IAEP] Browse version using Webkit2 Testing old version of Browse in community version images, I can't reproduce bug #12866 If we could solve the connectivity / collaboration issues... Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I was trying to find a solution for the problem of Browse in XO-1. After try use a old version of Browse, based in gecko, and recompile the dependencies without success, I started to work in the port of Browse from WebKit to WebKit2. That will not work in Fedora 18 (because Webkit2 crash in F18), but could solve the problem in the new community images based in Fedora 20. I have a basic version working, still with a lot of errors, but is possible navigate, download and see pdf files and multimedia files. A testing version (not for distribution) is here [1] TESTING: I can't connect to internet with my XO-1 with the community edition image, if anybody can, please test this version and verify if this bug [2] is still present and if the activity crashes. Report any error you find. Known issues: * History is not restored. * Ugly error messages DEVELOPMENT: The porting is done in the branch webkit2 [3] Master will only receive critical fixes. When the port is ready, will be merged in master. Code pending to port is identified by a a comment # TODO PORT I found some blockers I couldn't solve yet: * The objects where the information about the history is stored have read only properties (title and url), I can recreate the history with the data stored in the journal metadata. * Need a mechanism to configure where download files, right now is done in the Downloads directory and later copied to the journal. * The error callback function in browser.py receive a int instead of a GError. Looks as a introspection error. * Don't know how store the coockies needed by the xs server with the new API. [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/Browse-158.xo [2] https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12866 [3] https://github.com/sugarlabs/browse-activity/commits/webkit2 [4] http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkit2gtk/stable/WebKitBackForwardListItem.html -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Re. Sugar Digest
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: There might be a few issues that have a valid place on the Sugar digest. 1. Is it intellectually honest to assert that every XO ever made is in daily use? It is one thing to embellish by calling your beer the worlds best. It is another thing to reduce the credibility of such an important project by exaggeration. We already said we don't know how many XOs are broken/stolen/in boxes. We was already clear that we don't have a mechanism to accurately report daily users. Apparently you are the only one obsessed with this issue. 2. Is the passionate response from Messrs. Anderson, Gonzalo, and Bender to discussion about inflated Sugar numbers correlated to the limited amount of academic research on Sugar and OLPC. Rhetoric question? 3. Has any progress been made on either the seating of a new Oversight Board or the deployment data Mr. Bender promised last month. Sebastian Silva and Caryl Bigenho volunteered to run a new election. They can reply better about that. I am collecting the replies from the deployments, and working in a document. Until now, we received 12 replies, waiting to get more replies. And yes, I do all of my initial research under a pseudonym for the the same reason food critics do. Are you Vegan? :) Is strange you claim we are acting in a dishonest way, but you are not capable of make questions with your own name. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Laptop kit
Very nice :) On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Christophe Guéret christophe.gue...@dans.knaw.nl wrote: Hello, Some of you must already have seen that but I thought I would share anyway, just in case ;-) http://gizmodo.com/this-kit-lets-you-build-a-functioning-laptop-out-of-a-r-1696390218 Sounds pretty cool! Christophe -- Onderzoeker DANS, Anna van Saksenlaan 51, 2593 HW Den Haag +31(0)6 14576494 christophe.gue...@dans.knaw.nl *Data Archiving and Networked Services (DANS/KNAW)*[image: http://dans.knaw.nl] http://dans.knaw.nl *e-Humanities Group (KNAW)* [image: eHumanities] http://www.ehumanities.nl/ *World Wide Semantic Web community* http://worldwidesemanticweb.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Numbers
Dan, You was qualified as a troll because you said we should divide the 3M number by 10 and you assume we were deceiving. See the Wikipedia definition of troll: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll You asked your question in a thread started to discuss how improve the content of sugarlabs.org site. The site was not updated on a time, then if is true a percentage of machines can be broken now, was not crazy correlate the number of machines sold with our software to number of users at the moment the site was created. But we also know there are cases where other hardware is used with Sugar, like here [1] and we know the numbers in Uruguay only, are more than 300.000 machines, then, your comment looks completely wrong. At times I also think we are too optimistic, but we need optimism to work in a project like this. Don't assume bad intentions. The worst part is I have tried to start a discussion abut how to improve the web site, and instead of that we discuss about one line in the old web site, and do not have any proposal for improvement. And that is the effect of trolling, stop others and not add anything positive to the conversation. Everybody here can contribute in a different way: programming, testing, go to remote places and put solar panels in schools, write docs. But not everybody _want_ contribute. Gonzalo [1] http://www.fenix951.com.ar/nuevo_2013/noticia.php?id=4552 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: A few weeks ago I raised the question about how phrase three million daily users was calculated. The general line of thought in a thread on sugar-devel was we don't know but we think it is an optimistic figure based on the total number of laptops OLPC produced. Further analysis is hard and we can't be bothered to do it. Furthermore, anyone who questions the number is a troll. It would seem natural that an education project which promotes critical thinking would substantiate its own claims. If any organization tries to bury the numbers, one should ask why they are doing so. -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Numbers
Really? On January you wrote: I am following OLPC as part of a research paper on open source organizations. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2015-January/017152.html Followed a thread with replies from different members of the community and you finished with: Thank you for the information. It is interesting to study how projects evolve and devolve over time. I don't know what believe now. Good luck with your research :) Gonzalo On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: I work as a researcher for a foundation which received a grant proposal for a laptop project. There were several issues which needed clarification. I suppose that can be seen as trolling. Thanks and good luck with you project. Friday, April 17, 2015 8:11 AM -03:00 from Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: Dan, You was qualified as a troll because you said we should divide the 3M number by 10 and you assume we were deceiving. See the Wikipedia definition of troll: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll You asked your question in a thread started to discuss how improve the content of sugarlabs.org site. The site was not updated on a time, then if is true a percentage of machines can be broken now, was not crazy correlate the number of machines sold with our software to number of users at the moment the site was created. But we also know there are cases where other hardware is used with Sugar, like here [1] and we know the numbers in Uruguay only, are more than 300.000 machines, then, your comment looks completely wrong. At times I also think we are too optimistic, but we need optimism to work in a project like this. Don't assume bad intentions. The worst part is I have tried to start a discussion abut how to improve the web site, and instead of that we discuss about one line in the old web site, and do not have any proposal for improvement. And that is the effect of trolling, stop others and not add anything positive to the conversation. Everybody here can contribute in a different way: programming, testing, go to remote places and put solar panels in schools, write docs. But not everybody _want_ contribute. Gonzalo [1] http://www.fenix951.com.ar/nuevo_2013/noticia.php?id=4552 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru https://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: A few weeks ago I raised the question about how phrase three million daily users was calculated. The general line of thought in a thread on sugar-devel was we don't know but we think it is an optimistic figure based on the total number of laptops OLPC produced. Further analysis is hard and we can't be bothered to do it. Furthermore, anyone who questions the number is a troll. It would seem natural that an education project which promotes critical thinking would substantiate its own claims. If any organization tries to bury the numbers, one should ask why they are doing so. -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org https://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3ai...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org https://e.mail.ru/compose?To=IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New try on a better sugarlabs site
Hi Dan, I don't know where you get these numbers. Situation in every deployment is different. The only deployment that I know that publish reports with state of laptops is Plan Ceibal The more recent numbers (Oct 2014) show 84% of laptops are working [1] They also prepare a annual evaluation, about the use of the laptops and other resources provided by the project. The latest is [2] More information here [3] [1] http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/art%C3%ADculo/noticias/institucionales/Evaluacion-del-Plan [2] http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/Documents/Evaluacion%20Anual%20Primaria%202013%20_Resumen%20Ejecutivo_.pdf [3] http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/art%C3%ADculo/noticias/institucionales/Evaluacion-del-Plan On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: Is there any proof that sugar is used everyday by nearly 3 million children at stated on the website? My research from 2 countries which have purchased over 100,000 laptops has indicated that due to non-deliver, breakage, and disuse, the term 'used daily by 3 million children' is overstating use by an order of magnitude. Optimism can be valuable. Deceit, even if you mean well, is not appropriate when dealing with some of the worlds most needy populations. Dan Friday, April 10, 2015 5:49 PM -03:00 from Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: Today in #sugar, user anindya shared a new proposal to improve http://sugarlabs.org/ site (the proposal is anindya.github.io/www-sugarlabs) This is the third proposal from a volunteer in the last months. But in the different proposals, developers worked with the content available, then we have a new design, but the result is the same. And we, the developers usually are not good graphic designers. As discussed before we need: * Something simple and fast. * With a clear message. * With a professional design. * With links to places where the user can download easy ways to use Sugar (VM if the user don't use Linux) * A place to point developers to the right places. I know Walter contributed to the content, but I am sure he is not going to get angry, if I say he is not a marketing guy. (Me neither, of course) Sean said we need images and he requested that in the past without success. Maybe we can try again? We still need a graphic designer (someone in IAEP available?) It's possible work in the sugarlabs.org as a project, with the marketing guys, the developers and the designers together? I sent this mail to sugar-devel, IAEP and marketing lists. We can follow where is better. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org https://e.mail.ru/compose?To=IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] New try on a better sugarlabs site
Today in #sugar, user anindya shared a new proposal to improve http://sugarlabs.org/ site (the proposal is anindya.github.io/www-sugarlabs) This is the third proposal from a volunteer in the last months. But in the different proposals, developers worked with the content available, then we have a new design, but the result is the same. And we, the developers usually are not good graphic designers. As discussed before we need: * Something simple and fast. * With a clear message. * With a professional design. * With links to places where the user can download easy ways to use Sugar (VM if the user don't use Linux) * A place to point developers to the right places. I know Walter contributed to the content, but I am sure he is not going to get angry, if I say he is not a marketing guy. (Me neither, of course) Sean said we need images and he requested that in the past without success. Maybe we can try again? We still need a graphic designer (someone in IAEP available?) It's possible work in the sugarlabs.org as a project, with the marketing guys, the developers and the designers together? I sent this mail to sugar-devel, IAEP and marketing lists. We can follow where is better. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBs] meeting reminder and GSoC
I don't know why this mail went to spam folder. Gonzalo On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you celebrating Holy Week, happy Easter to you and your families. For those of you celebrating Passover, good wishes as well. I wanted to remind you that we have a Sugar Labs oversight board meeting on Monday, 6 April, at 23 UTC, 19 EST (Boston, Acuncion), 20 in BA and Montevideo. Please join us in #sugar-meeting on irc.freenode.net Also, I would like to schedule GSoC mentors meeting on Thursday, 9 April at the same time to discuss the candidates. Please try to have skimmed through the list (we have 67 applicants) before the meeting if at all possible. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] This list in need YOUR help
Are all the mail moderated or only mail from who is not in the list? Gonzalo On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Hello members of IAEP and Sugar-devel : It looks like both of these lists have been without an active mantainer for some time. I noticed this, as one email I wrote got stuck in moderation. I consulted with Bernie, our Infrastructure Team leader, and, in accordance to his suggestion, proceeded to take action. For the time being I've assumed administrative control of both lists. It looks like the traffic is not much anymore so moderating shouldn't be much of a hassle. Still, I think it would be healthy if I could team up with at least a couple of more people who would be willing to process the moderation queue, or even better, if somebody could assume responsibility of it. Anybody says aye? Your friendly infrastructure team systems administrator ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] More Sugar Numbers.
The phone home (statistics) functionality was developed in the last version of Sugar deployed in the field in AU, then only the XOs distributed after that version, or the XOs where teachers decided update are using it. Gonzalo On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 09:28:51AM +0300, Dan Tenason wrote: Some more interesting Sugar and XO numbers. At the site https://www.one-education.org/ OLPC Australia is reporting that 2,370 out of 42,329 phoned home. I can't find those numbers on that website. Do you have a link Yes those numbers are there if you scroll far enough The raw numbers are impossible to interpret. How many xos could you expect to phone home if used daily in online and offline settings? More information is needed. Also consider that this is a very difficult deployment. The Australian government spends a large amount of money on failed interventions in indigenous health, welfare, housing and education. Only modest results would be a major gain on prior interventions. Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC and Sugar numbers
Hi Dan, This is starting to be annoying. What is this? Trolling research technique? You make accusations and people provide information for your research? You are not interested in help with any of the challenges we have, right? On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: The recent posts on the Future of Sugar have been insightful. Mr Daly's comments on marketing have been particularly poignant. Both OLPC and Sugar Labs have been calling for more money, more developers, more time to solve their problems. Both organizations have suffered due to a lack of transparency about how that money and time is converted into useful results. You still can't distinct OLPC of SugarLabs. SugarLabs do the software. OLPC put that software in devices known as XO and sell to people interested in use them. SugarLabs do not receive money by the software. Some people in the SugarLabs project worked by contract with OLPC. We (SugarLabs community) didn't called for money. We say to work full time in the project you need a salary. If not, you only can work in your free time, and then, there are no way to do the same amount of work. The limited number of peer reviewed papers on Sugar raises red flags. Unreviewed papers are the equivalent of taking medical advice from the Marlboro Man. They are interesting to read. One should still consult their doctor before taking the decision to start smoking. Academy is funny, only produce papers and measure all by how many papers are for a topic :/ A second issue is user numbers. Dr. Negroponte's imagery of dropping laptops from helicopters combined with the lack of data from OLPC, Sugar Labs, or most of the deployments about usage numbers leaves us to assume that this project is not preforming as well as promised. We often see the number 2.5 million laptops sold. We seldom see how many are usable or in active use. Interviewing a few deployments about their repair and spare parts statistics, it is more likely that 0.5 million are in a usable condition with less than half of that in active use. Until Sugar Labs clarifies these issues, any efforts Mr. Daly puts into marketing will feel like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill. We all know Negroponte said crazy things. Is a old problem. The initial numbers were more than over optimistic. OLPC can know how many XO delivered, you can ask them, or check the (outdated) wiki. [1] Anyway, your numbers do not have any sense. Do some research about Ceibal program, probably is the best documented [2]. About how much people use Sugar, welcome to the open source world. Ask to any serious linux distribution and will tell you they can't know how many user they have. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments [2] http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/art%C3%ADculo/noticias/institucionales/Evaluacion-del-Plan -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
Talking about good marketing, daniel g. siegel shared this today: http://www.dgsiegel.net/news/2015_03_18-lego's_1981_ad_campaign I think we should look at this creation moments in kids using Sugar, and not limit that to programming only. There are a lot of creative, wonderful, and happy people who is not interested in programming. Gonzalo On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Thanks Sam. I never read that. Have good points. Gonzalo On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: I just found this interesting powerpoint from a few years ago. Slide 25 is basically a summary of this discussion: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=sitessrcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxtYXJrZXRsYWJzdWdhcnxneDo0Y2U3ODFjZDczMmU1Mjlh Thanks, Sam On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:16 AM Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Thanks Sameer, very good points, a few comments/questions below On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Interesting thread. I'll reply to Lionel's post, but my reply is more of my own set of ideas and understanding. Putting on my business school researcher hat: 1) The eventual goal of this project should be to influence the adoption of Sugar across the world. A person's attitude, combined with subjective norms, forms his behavioral intention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_reasoned_action). To influence adoption, we have to address the attitudes of the potential adopter, and the subjective norms. Should Sugar be a part of that ecosystem (such as a school's curriculum) or apart from it? Do we have a option? I don't say the school is the only channel to reach kids, but is the more massive channel without doubt. 2) Role of marketing: Most of what I've seen thus far is focused on the internal producer view of OLPC/Sugarlabs. This is natural, given that that's the world view we are most familiar with. The role of marketing is to take this internal view, and adapt its value to make it attractive to the consumer. If this adaptation fails, we end up with over-engineered products that the market rejects. This adaptation is largely dependent on addressing the perceptions of the consumer. This is one of the reasons why shiny products sell - we associate shiny with expensive, be it chrome polished plastic or iPads. At this point if you are saying to yourself we don't care for marketing or consumer you are sorely mistaken. We need more marketing without doubt. 3) Vision and Mission are important for the project: Vision is an inspirational, directional, future state description. Mission is largely how we get there. Both should be referenced on the basis of a time frame. So, vision and mission for now + 5 years is a good target. These might appear cheesy, but FOSS projects are usually non-strategic by design, because we are all busy writing small bits and pieces, hoping someone will stitch it all together eventually. We scratch our own itch in a piecemeal fashion, by writing scripts for battery stats, frame icons, Journal data and such. FOSS projects strive for operational excellence. Then, we hope that all this gets weaved into a fabric that can be used by someone (kids). The same applies to Apache, Ubuntu, Drupal, Linux, etc. In all those cases, there is a foundation or association or company that puts resources (time and money) and provides strategic direction, because the project isn't designed to do so by itself. Apache Software Foundation, Canonical, Drupal Association, Linux Foundation play that important role (I am on the Board of Directors of the Drupal Association, and some of this thinking is from my observations there). Vision, Mission, Goals, Objectives etc. should come from somewhere for Sugar/olpc. For a while it came from OLPC, but right now, I don't see any of it in an organizational manner. 4) In the free and open source world, the consumer is also sometimes the producer. So, instead of treating the consumer as someone with limited feedback (as may be the case with Windows or MacOSX) the consumer can switch roles and become a producer (like Ignacio or SamP). http://www.oecd.org/sti/inno/37450155.pdf This can lead to a myopic view of the target population being only people like Ignacio or SamP. Should all kids open the hood to peek into Sugar and become developers like Ignacio and SamP? Can we get into schools where they have locked down Windows machines with no admin rights? 5) Sugar is not a product. Sugar is a project, that keeps evolving as time goes by. A product is when we take a snapshot and polish it with QC, QA and package it for delivery. OLPC's build for the XO platform is a product. Sugarizer is a product. Suagr is NOT a product. This is just like Fedora is NOT a product. It's a project. RHEL is a product. Or for that matter, take the Ubuntu phone. The phone delivered by BQ is a product that took Ubuntu
Re: [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
Thanks Sameer, very good points, a few comments/questions below On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Interesting thread. I'll reply to Lionel's post, but my reply is more of my own set of ideas and understanding. Putting on my business school researcher hat: 1) The eventual goal of this project should be to influence the adoption of Sugar across the world. A person's attitude, combined with subjective norms, forms his behavioral intention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_reasoned_action). To influence adoption, we have to address the attitudes of the potential adopter, and the subjective norms. Should Sugar be a part of that ecosystem (such as a school's curriculum) or apart from it? Do we have a option? I don't say the school is the only channel to reach kids, but is the more massive channel without doubt. 2) Role of marketing: Most of what I've seen thus far is focused on the internal producer view of OLPC/Sugarlabs. This is natural, given that that's the world view we are most familiar with. The role of marketing is to take this internal view, and adapt its value to make it attractive to the consumer. If this adaptation fails, we end up with over-engineered products that the market rejects. This adaptation is largely dependent on addressing the perceptions of the consumer. This is one of the reasons why shiny products sell - we associate shiny with expensive, be it chrome polished plastic or iPads. At this point if you are saying to yourself we don't care for marketing or consumer you are sorely mistaken. We need more marketing without doubt. 3) Vision and Mission are important for the project: Vision is an inspirational, directional, future state description. Mission is largely how we get there. Both should be referenced on the basis of a time frame. So, vision and mission for now + 5 years is a good target. These might appear cheesy, but FOSS projects are usually non-strategic by design, because we are all busy writing small bits and pieces, hoping someone will stitch it all together eventually. We scratch our own itch in a piecemeal fashion, by writing scripts for battery stats, frame icons, Journal data and such. FOSS projects strive for operational excellence. Then, we hope that all this gets weaved into a fabric that can be used by someone (kids). The same applies to Apache, Ubuntu, Drupal, Linux, etc. In all those cases, there is a foundation or association or company that puts resources (time and money) and provides strategic direction, because the project isn't designed to do so by itself. Apache Software Foundation, Canonical, Drupal Association, Linux Foundation play that important role (I am on the Board of Directors of the Drupal Association, and some of this thinking is from my observations there). Vision, Mission, Goals, Objectives etc. should come from somewhere for Sugar/olpc. For a while it came from OLPC, but right now, I don't see any of it in an organizational manner. 4) In the free and open source world, the consumer is also sometimes the producer. So, instead of treating the consumer as someone with limited feedback (as may be the case with Windows or MacOSX) the consumer can switch roles and become a producer (like Ignacio or SamP). http://www.oecd.org/sti/inno/37450155.pdf This can lead to a myopic view of the target population being only people like Ignacio or SamP. Should all kids open the hood to peek into Sugar and become developers like Ignacio and SamP? Can we get into schools where they have locked down Windows machines with no admin rights? 5) Sugar is not a product. Sugar is a project, that keeps evolving as time goes by. A product is when we take a snapshot and polish it with QC, QA and package it for delivery. OLPC's build for the XO platform is a product. Sugarizer is a product. Suagr is NOT a product. This is just like Fedora is NOT a product. It's a project. RHEL is a product. Or for that matter, take the Ubuntu phone. The phone delivered by BQ is a product that took Ubuntu 14.09 and made it RTM (release to manufacturer) and ran it through QC and QA and produced the phone with the polished stack on it. Customers buy products, while developers work with projects. It is imperative that we understand the difference and treat the two as different. I'm pretty sure Rangan Srikhanta has a strategy for OLPCAU/OneEducation. So does Rodrigo Arboleda for OLPC Inc. I think we (Sugarlabs+lowercase olpc) need a strategy going forward to address Vision, Mission, etc. We also need to operationally pick approaches (such as Sugar Web) to build for multiple platforms. Android, RaspberryPi, Ubuntu are prime targets. Low-hanging fruit. How do we build for Android, but also reuse it for RaspberryPi and Ubuntu? On Android, stuff should be in the Google Play Store. On Ubuntu, it should be a simple install via apt-get or in their Software Center (the current
Re: [IAEP] Are there papers available on Sugar?
Just shared today https://fargoxo.wordpress.com/2015/03/13/book-chapter-on-building-smarter-computing-cultures/ I don't know if is useful for you. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: As part of my research I have been looking for peer reviewed papers on Sugar. There is an extensive amount of literature on One Laptop per Child from 2007 and 2008 which trickles off to footnotes by 2015. I was unable to find any papers on Sugar or Sugar Labs. To be fair, the effects of sugar on obesity dominated any search including the term sugar. -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
Caryl and Sebastian, Looks like a plan. We can confirm that in the next SLOBs meeting. About memb...@sugarlabs.org, I don't know who manage that, maybe Bernie? Gonzalo On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Forgot to mention, we also need to get access to memb...@sugarlabs.org, since I suspect new membership applications have gone stale for a long time now. (see [1]) [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership El 10/03/15 a las 15:05, Sebastian Silva escibió: Hi Caryl, Thanks for co-volunteering with me! As I see it, what needs to be done is: 1- Tally up a list of current Sugar Members's emails (starting from here http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List) 2- Setup a survey to ask if they want to stay active, voting members (I propose to use the LimeSurvey software. Infrastructure team can set it up and it's easy to use.) 3- Get familiar with Selectricity, our current voting mechanism. Get access to the voting machine. 4- Improve the voting experience. For instance, *en español *instructions are a must in this community. 5- Determine in consensus *when* an election will take place. If we can be formally appointed, I'm certain you will be able to contribute to every step of the process. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 14:18, Caryl Bigenho escibió: Hi All For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do? Caryl From: la...@somosazucar.org Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500 To: sebast...@fuentelibre.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time? Adam, To your conflict of interest concern and with all the love to my husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and merit by myself. Best wishes, Laura V 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org sebast...@fuentelibre.org: Well, It's 2015 and we are all hackers here. Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has always been/forever will be open for scrutiny. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió: If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me, how do we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife running for office, and himself running the election? On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Yes, Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email: I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as per the governance model. Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee to replace Luke. Gonzalo On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian, The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be concrete in your proposal. regards. -walter On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end of every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say: Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven (7) members elected by the Sugar community--the Sugar Membership. The positions on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal of a member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board. In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should not reside with the board, but with the elections committee. Aparently lfaraone is MIA. At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to the Sugar Labs members. It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period would simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no shortage). I have volunteered to be member
Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee to replace Luke. Gonzalo On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian, The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be concrete in your proposal. regards. -walter On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end of every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say: Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven (7) members elected by the Sugar community--the Sugar Membership. The positions on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal of a member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board. In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should not reside with the board, but with the elections committee. Aparently lfaraone is MIA. At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to the Sugar Labs members. It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period would simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no shortage). I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as per the governance model. I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the gruntwork to run the election. I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and the accepted oversight board. If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members : Currency assurance policy[edit] In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of the current status of the project and its participants, once a year members will be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If this request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has been a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six months have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an invitation to reapply. I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working with these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment. I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the election process. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió: If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term replacements due to someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth amending them to include. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer candidates than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another election at the end of 2015. Regards. -walter On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org wrote: I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at that time... Now, my name is on the list ;D According to your logic, we should run elections when we have enough candidates. How many additional candidates do we need? 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org wrote: Hi Gonzalo, Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to me be made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with long time active volunteers? specially those who have shown interest, like I have Hi Laura, Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature? You only needed add your name to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates That was requested many times, and there are only two candidates to fill 4 seats. Gonzalo Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can run a democratic community soon! 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: Hi Sebastian, In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the deployments confidential and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the deployment involved. There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] BBC launches flagship UK-wide initiative to inspire a new generation with digital technology
Hmm, don't want throw cold water on that, but reading http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31834927 looks like they already include something called Touch Develop, developed by Microsoft! Anyway, times changed (just a little) and is open source, and is in github https://github.com/Microsoft/TouchDevelop https://www.touchdevelop.com/ They have a nice demo site here https://www.touchdevelop.com/app/ but I couldn't understand how to program with the interface they propose. May be I am just too old :/ Anyway there are interesting ideas, like the multiple representation of the code. Gonzalo On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a job for Turtle Blocks :) -walter On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/makeitdigital/micro-bit article, with video: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31834927 The Micro Bit will be a small, wearable device with an LED display that children can programme in a number of ways. It will be a standalone, entry-level coding device that allows children to pick it up, plug it into a computer and start creating with it immediately. (Standalone, except for the part where it requires a host computer... which b ythe way could be a Raspberry Pi) Product partners/champions include Microsoft and the Python Software Foundation. The BBC will supply massive audiovisual educational content. They anticipate working with a wider network of informal partners to magnify the educational impact of the project. Deployment starts this September and when the 1,000,000th is distributed, production will be halted. Sean. ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
I don't will reply about your interpretation of our communication, looks like will not change with anything I can say. We are trying to make something different this time, we started a survey already sent to people responsible on deployments, to get more information, and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the members fro SLOBs, to discuss strategies. We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and teachers, like was proposed in this list. Gonzalo PS: To people involved in deploying Sugar (on XOs or other hardware), if are interested in participate, and didn't received the survey yet, send me a email. On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: As part of my research, I reviewed iaep since the inception of the project. This same general discussion comes up over and over. A long term supporter of the project expresses concern over the future of the project. Dr Bender replies with a Sugar Digest post that everything is perfect. At that point Dr Bender marginalizes the provocateur personally and professional. A few weeks later Dr. Bender will send another Sugar Digest that he has discussed the situation with the board. They will have decided that the current path is best. This is a very effective strategy if people are clamoring to join the project. What will happen this time? -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
Hi Sebastian, In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the deployments confidential and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the deployment involved. There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation with countries will understand. Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware with X software, all the big companies start to pressure. Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive. and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the members fro SLOBs, How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern? to discuss strategies. We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email. I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying something different. We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and teachers, like was proposed in this list. And? I don't understand the question. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
I suppose a committee will be integrated by more than one member, we need more volunteers. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me, how do we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife running for office, and himself running the election? On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Yes, Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email: *I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014.* * I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as per the governance model.* Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee to replace Luke. Gonzalo On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian, The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be concrete in your proposal. regards. -walter On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end of every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say: Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven (7) members elected by the Sugar community--the Sugar Membership. The positions on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal of a member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board. In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should not reside with the board, but with the elections committee. Aparently lfaraone is MIA. At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to the Sugar Labs members. It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period would simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no shortage). I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as per the governance model. I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the gruntwork to run the election. I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and the accepted oversight board. If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members : Currency assurance policy[edit] In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of the current status of the project and its participants, once a year members will be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If this request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has been a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six months have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an invitation to reapply. I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working with these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment. I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the election process. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió: If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term replacements due to someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth amending them to include. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer candidates than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another election at the end of 2015. Regards. -walter On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org wrote: I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at that time... Now, my name is on the list ;D According to your logic, we should run elections when we have enough candidates. How many additional candidates do we need? 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org wrote: Hi Gonzalo, Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to me be made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with long time active volunteers
Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
Thanks Caryl !! That is what we need, volunteers. Gonzalo On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do? Caryl From: la...@somosazucar.org Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500 To: sebast...@fuentelibre.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time? Adam, To your conflict of interest concern and with all the love to my husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and merit by myself. Best wishes, Laura V 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org: Well, It's 2015 and we are all hackers here. Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has always been/forever will be open for scrutiny. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió: If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me, how do we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife running for office, and himself running the election? On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Yes, Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email: I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as per the governance model. Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee to replace Luke. Gonzalo On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian, The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be concrete in your proposal. regards. -walter On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end of every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say: Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven (7) members elected by the Sugar community--the Sugar Membership. The positions on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The members of the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal of a member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board. In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should not reside with the board, but with the elections committee. Aparently lfaraone is MIA. At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to the Sugar Labs members. It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period would simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no shortage). I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as per the governance model. I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the gruntwork to run the election. I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and the accepted oversight board. If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members : Currency assurance policy[edit] In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of the current status of the project and its participants, once a year members will be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If this request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has been a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six months have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an invitation to reapply. I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working with these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment. I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the election process. Regards, Sebastian El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió
Re: [IAEP] Future Direction
If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora, what has the end-user gained? We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora. Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is working for free, then we can't force him to dedicate hours to work on that. Would a GSOC effort be better devoted to moving from Scratch 1 to Scratch 2 than rewriting imageviewer? I don't know. Scratch 2 use Flash and need Adobe Air, then we need check how works in the XOs. I have read Scratch team is working in HTML5 version, that would be great. About rewrite imageviewer, if we want allow use Sugar to kids without XOs,we need move forward to HTML5/Js. Maybe Image Viewer is not a prioritary activity, but is a good task to introduce developers because is relatively easy. Anyway the proposed tasks for GSoC are only a start, you can propose other, and we will need do a selection when Google define how many projects will fund. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 84, Issue 2
Naturally, the XO-1 is not marketable in the Get 1 world. The developers and supporting volunteers live in the Get 1 world. As a consequence going to a software model which jettisons etoys in the interest of keeping up with Fedora seems a reasonable tradeoff. Someone in Give 1, who has never before had a computer in their hands, is unlikely to know or care what model of Fedora is installed. Is true the realities of Get1 and Give1 worlds are different, but the reality is that as developers we can't work with the some software than in 2007. Because we are not isolated from the changes in the world, and because our software is connected, and use software developed by others. This begs the question, what has changed between Sugar 0.82 and 0.104 that significantly improves the value of the XO in primary school education in the Give 1 world? Ouch. Really? We worked for 5 years for nothing? We should consider the real model of deployments (aside of the national ones). Some individual or group in the Get 1 world decides to sponsor a set of laptops for a specific school or library in the Give 1 world, the deployment. The problem is we don't have one _real_model_of_deployments_. We have different situations, some very small, some very big, some with access to technology, some without nothing. And in general, the big deployments can put money to push the development in the direction they need, while for the small deployments is more difficult. Does not help that some small deployments are isolated and do not communicate with the community, or that we as a community are more fragmented than I would like. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 84, Issue 2
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 03/03/15 a las 07:41, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: This begs the question, what has changed between Sugar 0.82 and 0.104 that significantly improves the value of the XO in primary school education in the Give 1 world? Ouch. Really? We worked for 5 years for nothing? This reaction is not constructive. You could answer the question. I have tried, but make a list of the work from all the people involved in 5 years is not a easy task. The question is is true that work does not provide any significant value? If that is true, then we should stop now, and dedicate our work to other business. I am not in a classroom, then other could reply the question better than me. Other thing people may be don't realize is better explained by Alice: My dear, here we must run as fast as we can, just to stay in place. And if you wish to go anywhere you must run twice as fast as that. -- Lewis Carroll http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8164.Lewis_Carroll, *Alice in Wonderland http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2933712* The technology changes, Google change the way their search page works, and trigger a bug in Browse when used in a XO-1, we have Khan Academy and a lot of other video resources and so. OLPC changed to arm devices and added touch support, an all that required a lot of work. I don't know if looks like a excuse, but all is part of the problem. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Planning for the future
a fabulous solution. I've heard it suggested that marketing could do fund-raising, but donors large and small won't want to contribute unless there is a plan. I've been bewildered what the plan is for some time. Sean On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote: Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current or past employers. About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to ensure it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base. Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar Labs have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also being rather closemouthed about the present. Meanwhile contributors silently leave. It is hard to justify volunteering when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious customers. Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes. No one corrects the press when they report stale information in their favor. There is no shame in being a smaller project. But we need to ask the hard questions. With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche platform is a problem. With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5 million number for laptops historically shipped. Rarely is it asked how many XOs been shipped in the past year or are in active use where. Sugar OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies. While there is nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from running Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything else. It is also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage with the historical Sugar OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at this time). Historically there have been many philosophical questions like Does there need to be a physical machine? and Have we succeeded if every child has a computer, but from someone else? I do not believe Sugar or OLPC is down for the count. But in order to engage One Education, governments, and other educational groups, both Sugar and the historical OLPC structure need to have plans to transition to the future. Otherwise these plans will be written for us. I suspect I know how things will end; but I wish it was not happening though silence. --- SJG ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Poll] Choosing better UI for sugarlabs.org
We know there are a trend about do web sites with only a huge page. This is probably cool in tablets, or high end devices, you drag and all he content run up or down, but in slow devices, big pages are not good. Probably in the tablets the designers try to avoid use links too (no hover feedback and don't want show the underline). Now, I am not a designer, then, take this like only one personal opinion: I don't like this huge single page sites :) I liked more your first option with menu, but any other option where the content is separated by topics would be better (for me). Also, the new Activities site running in a frame is not a good idea. With links you can go there full screen. Finally, I hope you can work together. Working in open source projects you need learn to work with others. Is not always easy, but is the only way to assure the project in the long run. Is great have two developers and two prototypes. Gonzalo On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've created new Sugar Labs website project and published it at http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon . It is based on Jekyll, Bootstrap, CSS, some plugins and JS. Its current design has been invented by my friend Piotr Antosz (Boquete). Other Sugar community member has created other UI for website which is available at http://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs . It is based on my orginal solution with changes to text, used libraries and page layout. As we do not want on two separate projects, where authors' UI ideas are totally different, we would like to know which one should be continued and which abandoned. That's why we would like to ask you - Sugar community members - for opinion which UI you like more and which one you want to see in release page. As I try to be neutral I won't write here about advantages and disadvantages of both projects. Your opinion is really appericated! Regards, Tymon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] XO Infinity ?
I hope this is not affected by Osborne effect [1] These looks like 3d software generated images, from that to a product ready to ship, there are a long way. Gonzalo [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: Hi all, As some of you, I've seen: https://medium.com/road-to-infinity Something that look like to a new XO concept with an Android OS proposed by OLPC Australia. Just my guess. Is someone have more information on this ? Is it related to OLPC Foundation ? Is it related to Sugar ? Please share with us. Lionel. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
the application on the schoolserver, so that you don't need an XO or Sugar to make it work. That's partly because if we get good results and want to expand the program to more schools who already have their own devices, we need something that works for everyone. I'm not sure we can ask them to install a separate OS; we can ask them to go to a webpage or install a schoolserver. We've recently started discussing founding a nonprofit again among ourselves in Unleash Kids. We talk about this every few months and never really do anything about it, but personally I'm pretty gung-ho myself about actually doing something this time. The IRS just came out with a new form that's only 3 pages; it's supposed to make it easy for small groups like Unleash Kids seems to be to make ourselves official. I'm sure the accounting and process will be much more difficult than I'm assuming, but, again, it's something I kind of see as essential now that I'm looking at things in Haiti from a new angle. That's a very brief and extremely self-centered history of a single set of deployments within the community, but it's a start. Looking forward to hearing what everyone else has to say. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote: On February 24, 2015 at 8:55 AM Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think Sugar Labs has lacked a long-term vision. It has been since Day One to provide great tools for learning to children while being hardware agnostic. That said, our tactics have been slowly evolving as the market itself evolves. We launched Sugar Labs in early 2008 when it was clear to some of us in the community that many children would have access to computers other than the OLPC XO. We wanted to reach those children, and indeed, many Sugar users run it on netbooks such as the Intel Classmate. We've also continued to support the XO as well. There are ~3 million XOs in the field, most of which are still running Sugar as far as I know. (When I was in Nepal last year, I saw Sugar running on machines built in 2007, a testament to OLPC's hardware team. It would be interesting to know what version of sugar/OS those XO-1s are running. I am not sure why Sam thinks we need to discount those machines or the kids using them.) I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with -mtune=atom[1] which would use sse[2]. This causes problems for some parts of sugar[3] now that java[4] is being used more and the XO-1 lacks sse. Fixing one package that uses sse might fix one issue but this is really a distro wide setting and other issues may float to the top in other areas. Just pointing out issues with XO-1s as I see it. Jerry 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support 2. https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.6.2/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html 3. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/038536.html 4. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4785 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
there have been many philosophical questions like Does there need to be a physical machine? and Have we succeeded if every child has a computer, but from someone else? I do not believe Sugar or OLPC is down for the count. But in order to engage One Education, governments, and other educational groups, both Sugar and the historical OLPC structure need to have plans to transition to the future. Otherwise these plans will be written for us. I suspect I know how things will end; but I wish it was not happening though silence. --- SJG -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20150223/bc9915cb/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:31:23 -0300 From: Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org To: Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org Cc: Chris Leonard c...@sugarlabs.org, grassroots grassro...@lists.laptop.org, olpc-open olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com, olpc-sf olpc...@lists.laptop.org, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org,Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting Message-ID: CAJ+iPVSKb3puCeQc57Kc3TUA4Df1=akvtwdpt0abj-aqruh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Only a English version is available right now. There are another activity with a older version in French, but the last version is from 2009 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4195 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Gonzalo, if a French translation exists and it's easy to include both it and the English translations when making the templates, that would be great. But if there's only room for one language, please have it be English. Thanks! On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Thanks Nick. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com wrote: I believe the official language code is HT On Feb 23, 2015 9:09 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you. Or I can upload and you can translate them online. The process is a little different than with the pottle server used to translate activities, but the idea is the same. I need the localization code you are using to Haitian Creole Gonzalo On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Good to see it's been updated! I look forward to checking it out to see what content we're using in Haiti that it's missing. We've been using our customized course guide http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Haiti_Course_Guide to help teachers design lesson plans, but materials that provide a basic overview of the activities themselves would also be helpful. How would I go about helping with translation efforts into Haitian Creole? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help activity added information about more activities, including many you named. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 Help activity content can be translated if you or other are interested. Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this list, and more content can be easily added. Gonzalo On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when embarking on a project, first go to Sugar Labs and search extremely-relevant terms like Story instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / used before is the only stuff that exists). I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might not be hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate different pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had read. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You can add Story http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hello all, We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are interested. Here are some more details: Unleash Kids recently received recognition http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/ for our iloominate http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit app (shout-out
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
The problem with partners is that any partner who has established a history of making good decision will ask the same question Mr. Greenfeld asked to start this thread. If they get the same response Dr. Bender gave Mr. Greenfeld they take their money and go back home. Several individuals such as Mr. Abente have suggested the importance of feedback. SugarLabs seems to have difficulty hearing feedback it does not like. Rather than investigate what to improve, the project tends to belittle the reporter's lack of knowledge or vision. This has left Sugar as Dr. Bender's personal project. I can't follow you. Almost all the people participating in this thread are Sugar Labs. We have different opinions many times. It might be instructive to ask the simple question, What type of project is Sugar? Could you be more specific? That question can be replied in many different ways. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] What happened to Martin, Gonzalo, and Walter at One Education?
Our contracts finished at the end of January. One Education has decided switch to Android in the future, then, they are not interested in invest in Sugar anymore. This means we are looking for opportunities to continue working in Sugar and activities development. I consider I was very lucky for to have a paid job supporting me to do Sugar better, and I will try to continue doing that, but of course, we all need put food on the table :) Gonzalo On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: After following a link from an article on the new One Education laptop to the people page at the One Education site, I saw that Martin, Gonzalo, and Walter are no longer listed at employees at One Education. What happened? Is anyone paying these guys now? -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Note-taking
A few questions: You mention that the text-to-speech works for plain text and ePubs; does that mean it doesn't work for PDFs? I would test this on my personal XO, but I'm waiting for my charger to arrive in the mail... You still can select the text and use the global text to speech (in Sugar Frame) like in any other activity, but you don't have text to speech implemented for pdf in the activity, like in the other formats. This means you loose some features, like select the language. On another note, at one point you mention that in the Read Etexts activity highlighting may lag behind the words being spoken. Does this activity actually highlight the words as the computer is reading them? Using the text-to-speech function built into the Frame of later versions of Sugar, I haven't seen it do that. That is implemented in Read Etexts, and not in the text o speech implemented in the Frame due to that problem. Gonzalo I'm glad someone's thinking of how to structure large amounts of resources in the future. That's not exactly our situation, since we're only dealing with 300 - 500 books in an extracurricular program that doesn't have to tie things to curriculum. Sorting of some sort will be important, but I guess my own priority at the moment is giving teachers and students the tools to share great reading materials with each other. Thanks for giving some advantages of the direct-link system so that even a non-techie like me can understand why it might be useful ( ; I think the Pathagar server is the solution to this particular problem. Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you. Or I can upload and you can translate them online. The process is a little different than with the pottle server used to translate activities, but the idea is the same. I need the localization code you are using to Haitian Creole Gonzalo On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Good to see it's been updated! I look forward to checking it out to see what content we're using in Haiti that it's missing. We've been using our customized course guide http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Haiti_Course_Guide to help teachers design lesson plans, but materials that provide a basic overview of the activities themselves would also be helpful. How would I go about helping with translation efforts into Haitian Creole? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help activity added information about more activities, including many you named. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 Help activity content can be translated if you or other are interested. Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this list, and more content can be easily added. Gonzalo On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when embarking on a project, first go to Sugar Labs and search extremely-relevant terms like Story instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / used before is the only stuff that exists). I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might not be hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate different pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had read. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You can add Story http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hello all, We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are interested. Here are some more details: Unleash Kids recently received recognition http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/ for our iloominate http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit app (shout-out to Caryl Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile project was also recognized). The app helps teachers write books https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/ for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're shifting our focus to supporting student writers. There are already several excellent writing activities for the Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer writing workshop for our XO projects in Haiti: -Labyrinth http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078, a mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/ about how to lay out their ideas on paper -Fototoon http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253, comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/ -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of how templates can enable kids http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/ to explore new formats -Prompt http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity, literally just presents students with a random image from a library for them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff, based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on creating templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for example, we can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the speech bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech bubbles. That's one of many ideas for an effective tool. We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished products with one another. Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also welcome input on any and all aspects. Thank you everyone! Sora Edwards-Thro On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday, February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl). Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. Everyone is welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
Thanks Nick. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com wrote: I believe the official language code is HT On Feb 23, 2015 9:09 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you. Or I can upload and you can translate them online. The process is a little different than with the pottle server used to translate activities, but the idea is the same. I need the localization code you are using to Haitian Creole Gonzalo On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Good to see it's been updated! I look forward to checking it out to see what content we're using in Haiti that it's missing. We've been using our customized course guide http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Haiti_Course_Guide to help teachers design lesson plans, but materials that provide a basic overview of the activities themselves would also be helpful. How would I go about helping with translation efforts into Haitian Creole? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help activity added information about more activities, including many you named. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 Help activity content can be translated if you or other are interested. Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this list, and more content can be easily added. Gonzalo On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when embarking on a project, first go to Sugar Labs and search extremely-relevant terms like Story instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / used before is the only stuff that exists). I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might not be hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate different pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had read. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You can add Story http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hello all, We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are interested. Here are some more details: Unleash Kids recently received recognition http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/ for our iloominate http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit app (shout-out to Caryl Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile project was also recognized). The app helps teachers write books https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/ for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're shifting our focus to supporting student writers. There are already several excellent writing activities for the Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer writing workshop for our XO projects in Haiti: -Labyrinth http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078, a mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/ about how to lay out their ideas on paper -Fototoon http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253, comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/ -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of how templates can enable kids http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/ to explore new formats -Prompt http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity, literally just presents students with a random image from a library for them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff, based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on creating templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for example, we can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the speech bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech bubbles. That's one of many ideas for an effective tool. We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished products with one another. Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also welcome input on any and all aspects. Thank you everyone! Sora Edwards-Thro On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday, February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
Only a English version is available right now. There are another activity with a older version in French, but the last version is from 2009 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4195 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Gonzalo, if a French translation exists and it's easy to include both it and the English translations when making the templates, that would be great. But if there's only room for one language, please have it be English. Thanks! On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Thanks Nick. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Nick Doiron ndoi...@mapmeld.com wrote: I believe the official language code is HT On Feb 23, 2015 9:09 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you. Or I can upload and you can translate them online. The process is a little different than with the pottle server used to translate activities, but the idea is the same. I need the localization code you are using to Haitian Creole Gonzalo On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Good to see it's been updated! I look forward to checking it out to see what content we're using in Haiti that it's missing. We've been using our customized course guide http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Haiti_Course_Guide to help teachers design lesson plans, but materials that provide a basic overview of the activities themselves would also be helpful. How would I go about helping with translation efforts into Haitian Creole? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help activity added information about more activities, including many you named. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 Help activity content can be translated if you or other are interested. Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this list, and more content can be easily added. Gonzalo On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when embarking on a project, first go to Sugar Labs and search extremely-relevant terms like Story instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / used before is the only stuff that exists). I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might not be hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate different pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had read. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You can add Story http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hello all, We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are interested. Here are some more details: Unleash Kids recently received recognition http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/ for our iloominate http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit app (shout-out to Caryl Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile project was also recognized). The app helps teachers write books https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/ for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're shifting our focus to supporting student writers. There are already several excellent writing activities for the Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer writing workshop for our XO projects in Haiti: -Labyrinth http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078, a mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/ about how to lay out their ideas on paper -Fototoon http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253, comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/ -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of how templates can enable kids http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/ to explore new formats -Prompt http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity, literally just presents students with a random image from a library for them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff, based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on creating templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for example, we can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the speech bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them
Re: [IAEP] Note-taking
Read activity can't add these types of comments, just can add notebooks for pages, and that comments cam have text associated. Read activity can display PDF, ePUb and text files. In the text files can highlight text. Would be possible modify Read to add the highlight to ePub files, for PDF would be a little more difficult. (evince, the piece of software we use to display PDF is adding that feature right now, but we use a older version of the library) I am available to work (on contract) in these features if you are interested. Gonzalo On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hi all, For our upcoming literacy project in Haiti, we'd like users to have the ability to take notes on books while they're reading them - basic things like highlighting, drawing arrows and such, or leaving text comments. It would be nice if they could then save those notes. I'm guessing many of the books we are using will be available as ePub or PDF. I know the XO activity Read supports those formats, but I don't think it has all the features listed above. So, should we be looking to modify the Read activity or modify the texts themselves, in order to enable those features for readers? Thanks for the advice, everyone! Sora ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help activity added information about more activities, including many you named. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 Help activity content can be translated if you or other are interested. Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this list, and more content can be easily added. Gonzalo On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when embarking on a project, first go to Sugar Labs and search extremely-relevant terms like Story instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / used before is the only stuff that exists). I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might not be hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate different pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had read. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You can add Story http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hello all, We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are interested. Here are some more details: Unleash Kids recently received recognition http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/ for our iloominate http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit app (shout-out to Caryl Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile project was also recognized). The app helps teachers write books https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/ for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're shifting our focus to supporting student writers. There are already several excellent writing activities for the Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer writing workshop for our XO projects in Haiti: -Labyrinth http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078, a mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/ about how to lay out their ideas on paper -Fototoon http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253, comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/ -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of how templates can enable kids http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/ to explore new formats -Prompt http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity, literally just presents students with a random image from a library for them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff, based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on creating templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for example, we can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the speech bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech bubbles. That's one of many ideas for an effective tool. We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished products with one another. Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also welcome input on any and all aspects. Thank you everyone! Sora Edwards-Thro On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday, February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl). Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. Everyone is welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global) projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda items. Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/325843320953044/ Google+ https://plus.google.com/events/crf7g4e84aag78ssn761danaj8s -- Aaron Borden Human and Hacker ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project
Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting
You can add Story http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: Hello all, We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are interested. Here are some more details: Unleash Kids recently received recognition http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/ for our iloominate http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit app (shout-out to Caryl Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile project was also recognized). The app helps teachers write books https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/ for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're shifting our focus to supporting student writers. There are already several excellent writing activities for the Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer writing workshop for our XO projects in Haiti: -Labyrinth http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078, a mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/ about how to lay out their ideas on paper -Fototoon http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253, comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/ -Newspaper http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html, an example of how templates can enable kids http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/ to explore new formats -Prompt http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity, literally just presents students with a random image from a library for them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff, based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on creating templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for example, we can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the speech bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech bubbles. That's one of many ideas for an effective tool. We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished products with one another. Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also welcome input on any and all aspects. Thank you everyone! Sora Edwards-Thro On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden adbor...@live.com wrote: Hello, OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday, February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl). Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. Everyone is welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global) projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda items. Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/325843320953044/ Google+ https://plus.google.com/events/crf7g4e84aag78ssn761danaj8s -- Aaron Borden Human and Hacker ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Board Status
There are two different problems: Why people don't want or don't care be a candidate? Right now, there are only one candidate [1], not enough to fill the seats we need change. The second point is related to what you say about your proposal. Reading again the log from 2014-10-07 [2] the last action proposed was contact you with Luke. I think Walter couldn't contact Luke, and nothing moved after that, in part because we was dumped with GCI work. I don't see newer logs/minutes here [3], but the links to latest meetings are here: Nov: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2014-11-04 Dec: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2014-12-02 Jan: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2015-01-13 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2015-01-14 Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates [2] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2014-10-07 [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Hola Gonzalo, In consequence to the matters as you describe them, what action plan does the board have to address them? I wrote to the board in November offering to volunteer for election committee but got no response. Regards, Sebastian El 26/01/15 a las 14:57, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: Hi Dan, I suppose you are asking about Sugar Labs Oversight Board, right? (I don't think OLPC had a elected board at any time of their history) I am one of the members of the Oversight Board at the moment, but this is only my personal opinion. The number of volunteers proposed to integrate the board decreased in the last years, and at the end of 2013, we had less volunteers than seats to renew. At the end of 2014 we had even less. To add another problem, the volunteer who ran the elections in previous years is not available anymore. I think this is a consequence of other changes in the community/ecosystem. Right now funding of Sugar development as decreased and we still didn't find a way to sustain the minimal operations. Our users (not the kids, but the governments, fundations, etc) deploying Sugar, are used to a model where OLPC sustained a big part of the development with the sell of he XOs. That is not happening right now (OLPC continue selling XOs, but do not sustain Sugar development), but the clients do not see why pay for something they received by free. Gonzalo On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: I am following OLPC as part of a research paper on open source organizations. Going over the archives, it seems there has not been a board election in a couple of years. Has this affected the project in any way? -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Board Status
Hi Dan, I suppose you are asking about Sugar Labs Oversight Board, right? (I don't think OLPC had a elected board at any time of their history) I am one of the members of the Oversight Board at the moment, but this is only my personal opinion. The number of volunteers proposed to integrate the board decreased in the last years, and at the end of 2013, we had less volunteers than seats to renew. At the end of 2014 we had even less. To add another problem, the volunteer who ran the elections in previous years is not available anymore. I think this is a consequence of other changes in the community/ecosystem. Right now funding of Sugar development as decreased and we still didn't find a way to sustain the minimal operations. Our users (not the kids, but the governments, fundations, etc) deploying Sugar, are used to a model where OLPC sustained a big part of the development with the sell of he XOs. That is not happening right now (OLPC continue selling XOs, but do not sustain Sugar development), but the clients do not see why pay for something they received by free. Gonzalo On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Dan Tenason dan.tena...@mail.ru wrote: I am following OLPC as part of a research paper on open source organizations. Going over the archives, it seems there has not been a board election in a couple of years. Has this affected the project in any way? -- Dan Tenason ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2015-01-21
Great video! Who is the author? I would like to add: * Stamps and sounds in Paint activity * Dark theme in Terminal activity * Create a movie in Fototoon activity * View next and preview images in ImageViewer activity * See comic books in Read activity * Many improvements in the Irc activity * And many years old bugs killed in Sugar!! Excellent year, thanks to all who participated, and thanks to Stephanie and the Google Open Source team. Gonzalo On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez igna...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Finally, a few projects worth mentioning: Also I want to add few more things :) * The Sugar Labs promo video [1] * The new feature in Speak, the user can load a Image and create her own face [2] * The new Dropbox webservice [3] * The new help pages [4] I want to say 'thanks' to the mentors, we have done a lot of work, they should be very exhausted! :) as GCI 2013 student [and also 2014 student], this year was better, we got new students, now some of these are 'friends'. This year, like last, we tried to help new students :) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVRReDdoW9gfeature=youtu.be [2] https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5140598474407936 [3] https://github.com/ignaciouy/dropbox-webservice [4] https://github.com/godiard/help-activity/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed Also, my english is still poor :) Ignacio Rodríguez SugarLabs at Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/SugarLabs/187845102582 2015-01-21 22:18 GMT-02:00 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com: == Sugar Digest == In schools, all hardware and software bestow agency on one of three parties: the system, the teacher, or the learner. Typically, two of these actors lose their power as the technology benefits the third. Ask a group of colleagues to create a three-column table and brainstorm the hardware or software in your school and who is granted agency by each. Management software, school-wide grade-book programs, integrated learning systems, school-to-home communication packages, massive open online courses (MOOCs), and other cost-cutting technologies grant maximum benefit to the system. Interactive whiteboards, worksheet generators, projectors, whole-class simulations, plagiarism software, and so on, benefit the teacher. Personal laptops, programming languages, creativity software, cameras, MIDI keyboards, microcontrollers, fabrication equipment, and personal web space primarily benefit (bestow agency to) the learner. -- Gary Stager 1. Google Code-In. Wow. Finally a chance to catch my breath. Seven intense weeks: 60 students completed more than 300 tasks for Sugar Labs. The impact on Sugar Labs was even greater this year than in the previous years we have participated: more diversity among the participants, the mentors, the tasks, and a spirit of collaboration while striving for excellence prevailed throughout the contest. Thanks to Google and Stephanie Taylor for giving us this opportunity, to the contestants who not only did great work but taught me a thing or two along the way, and the mentors and community members who manned the IRC channel 24/7. I want to acknowledge the Top Ten+ from whom we will be selecting our finalists this week (results announce in early February): Ignacio Rodríguez, Daksh, samdroid, cristian99garcia, Ezequiel Pereira, svineet, Gtrinidad, Jas Park, Rafael Cordano, Richar, Sergio Britos, Aishmita Kakkar, Gabriel Lee, et al. Also, some mentors (and community members) deserve special recognition: Andrés Aguirre, Daniel Francis, Gary Servin, Gonzalo Odiard, James Cameron, Jorge Ramirez, Mariah Villarreal, Rajul, Rodrigo Parra, and Martin Abente Lahaye. Finally, a few projects worth mentioning: * Turtle Blocks JS plugins (Ignacio, samDroid, Daksh) [1] * Turtle Blocks guides (Jas Park) [2] * Activity reviews (Gabriel Lee) [3] * Dasher app (Cristian Garcia) [4] * Enhancements to Physics (Svineet) [5] * Sugar bugs squashed (Ezequiel) [6] * Butia Measure (Gtrinidad) [7] * Simple scrolling interface for Sugar (Rafael) [8] and much much more. 2. As mentioned above, we have a number of new Turtle Blocks plugins (for both the Python and Javascript versions) as a result of Google Code-in. One of the more interesting inspirations for plugins comes from mashape.com, a repository of APIs for everything from translation services to a bicycle theft alert system. As Sugar becomes more web-friendly, we can take advantage of web services and also facilitate our users to craft their own tools and services. It is fun and empowering. === In the community === 3. The Free Software Foundation has put together a nice video on the core ideas behind Free Software. See [9] === Tech Talk === 4. Xevents [10] is a TurtleBlocks plugin that makes it easy to design different types of accessibility interfaces through a variery of physical sensors types. It is being developed at FING by Andrés Aguirre
Re: [IAEP] [UKids] OLPC and SugarLabs at SCaLE 13X Feb 20-22
Hi Nancie, Adding to the information already provided by James, you can read more information about Sugar releases here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Notes and can download images to test here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Testing Sugar works in any XO model and in other computers too. Gonzalo On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Nancie Severs nanciesev...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Gonzalo, I really like your film. Thanks. Perhaps these are stupid questions, but I am confused about the Releases and numbers. Do the Sugar 0.100 0.102 correspond to the Releases available in the Wiki and if so which ones. Are they only for user groups with school servers or are they available and desirable to/for individual users. Are they FOSS or must they be purchased. Lastly, which XOs do they work on? XO 1.0's, 1.5's 1.75's 4's or all of them? Caryl the Alearn group had a Dropbox link with some of our favorite project photos. Do you still have it or do you want me to share it with you? Best to everyone, Nancie On Friday, January 9, 2015, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, We will have a booth again this year at SCaLE, This time it will have a dual focus. We will be hosting the Coders' Corner and, at the same time, featuring information about everything OLPC and Sugar Labs... including Unleashed Kids, L to L, the school server project, OLPC France's Sugarizer project, and anything and everything else that I haven't listed... all projects large and small! Some of the things I need from you folks are: - Pictures! Videos! (of projects including exotic places, hackathons, etc, etc, etc.) Lists of volunteer opportunities! anything else you would like to share with the open source community. We will feature a constantly running, silent (with captions or subtitles) video production showing projects all over the world. Your media resources will be put into a video on dvd that can play where passers-by can stop and watch a bit, ask questions, pick up contact info, and the like. Who will answer those questions? Hopefully some of you! Read on... I have created two little videos to show the features in Sugar 0.100 and 0.102 We have English and Spanish versions: New in Sugar 0.100 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAYGtEwEbM New in Sugar 0.102 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxizr3elPQ Lo nuevo en Sugar 0.102 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ljkueuBU0 Lo nuevo en Sugar 0.100 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot_T9impkNw I probably will do it again for 0.104 (if anybody else do it before) Gonzalo -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Unleash Kids group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to unleashkids+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Nancie G. Severs* *Treasure Each Day* -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Unleash Kids group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to unleashkids+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [UKids] OLPC and SugarLabs at SCaLE 13X Feb 20-22
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, We will have a booth again this year at SCaLE, This time it will have a dual focus. We will be hosting the Coders' Corner and, at the same time, featuring information about everything OLPC and Sugar Labs... including Unleashed Kids, L to L, the school server project, OLPC France's Sugarizer project, and anything and everything else that I haven't listed... all projects large and small! Some of the things I need from you folks are: - Pictures! Videos! (of projects including exotic places, hackathons, etc, etc, etc.) Lists of volunteer opportunities! anything else you would like to share with the open source community. We will feature a constantly running, silent (with captions or subtitles) video production showing projects all over the world. Your media resources will be put into a video on dvd that can play where passers-by can stop and watch a bit, ask questions, pick up contact info, and the like. Who will answer those questions? Hopefully some of you! Read on... I have created two little videos to show the features in Sugar 0.100 and 0.102 We have English and Spanish versions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAYGtEwEbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxizr3elPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ljkueuBU0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot_T9impkNw I probably will do it again for 0.104 (if anybody else do it before) Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] scheduling our next meeting
Works for me On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I was remiss in scheduling our meeting for yesterday, 6 January, so I was hoping we could all meeting tomorrow, 8 January, at the usual time: 8PM Boston, 10PM BA and Asuncion, 11PM in Montevideo. Please let me know if the time works. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] scheduling our next meeting
+1 to Wednesday 7th. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: Wednesday is actually Jan 7 (not 8th). Is that (Wedn) OK with everyone during the hour laid out by Walter? On Jan 6, 2015 8:28 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Works for me On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I was remiss in scheduling our meeting for yesterday, 6 January, so I was hoping we could all meeting tomorrow, 8 January, at the usual time: 8PM Boston, 10PM BA and Asuncion, 11PM in Montevideo. Please let me know if the time works. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help With An Appliance In Virtual Box Needed!
Hi Ryan, Probably you already know, but, if you are interested in Sugar development, you can participate in sugar-devel mailing list http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel and the #sugar irc channel in freenode Gonzalo On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Ryan Cunningham rvskmbr...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in developing Sugar (OLPC's graphical user interface) and fixing bugs for it anytime I find them. On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, I'm taking a really fun Computer Science class from Harvard via EdX. I started it last year and used their appliance in VMware with no problems. This year they have a new appliance which will require me to to either upgrade my Mac OS (I'd rather not) or run it in VirtualBox. So... Today I installed the latest VirtualBox for my Mac and the new appliance. The CS50 appliance is now running in the VB window and it is quite small compared to last year in VMware. VB lets me enlarge the blank frame around the window, but not the active terminal or gedit window. The brightness is not good. Updating seems to be taking forever... actually, it has stalled. And, there is a mystery message, 2014 - 24 missing network adaptor - in the lower right corner. It turns out that there are several other people, literally all over the world, who are having the same problem. We are looking for an answer and I figured someone I know from the open-source world might have an idea what is happening and how to fix it. I'll attach a screenshot and hope someone knows what is going on and can point us in the right direction.. Thanks! Caryl Bigenho CS50AinVB.tiff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Systems] MediaWiki upgrade on wiki.sugarlabs.org
Good job! On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:02 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 08:48:25PM -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 04/11/14 20:37, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 04/11/14 19:44, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Hello, I'll start upgrading the main wiki soon. This will hopefully fix creating new user accounts from OpenID, which is currently the only way to log into the wiki due to persistent spammers. Done. Please check if you can still login and edit pages. Test edits go here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SandBox Correction: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sandbox Thanks. Works for me. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [UKids] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.5 is available for your device
This is great! Lionel, there are a lot of interest in this, I, in particular, am starting to work in HTML activities. Would you like if I create a component in bugs.sugarlabs.org to track sugarizer bugs? Do you have already a user for you created? On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: Hi all, I'm proud to announce the fifth version (0.5) of Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar for any device. http://sugarizer.org I've decided to put the focus on this version on three majors points: - Responsive Design: to ensure that Sugarizer could work on any screen size, from the smallest smartphone screen (320x480) to the bigger tablet screen (2560x1600). - Android support: I've done a huge work to ensure that Sugarizer and activities work well on Android so I've fixed lot of issues related to Android limitation. Of course due to diversity of the Android ecosystem, some issues could still exist on Android versions lower than 4.2. - Firefox OS support: Thanks to Mozilla foundation that help me on that, Firefox and Firefox OS are now #1 platforms for Sugarizer. Sugarizer has been tested successfully on Firefox browser and on several Firefox OS devices (Keon, Peak, Flame). Finally, because it's very important for us that Sugar/Sugarizer could be accessible to every users, I've packaged and published Sugarizer on three major app stores: - Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.olpc_france.sugarizer - Amazon Store: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NKK7PZA - Firefox Market Place: https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/sugarizer/ (soon) Of course, you could also install it by yourself using instructions on the Sugarizer website if you don't like stores. Other features of this version: - Updated TurtleJS version, now save automatically context in the Journal - Updated Gears version, now use colors for gears - New Etoys activity (beta) - Favorites activities are now saved in user settings (so, could be retrieved from a device to another) - Favorites activities are now configurable at server settings - German localization Do not hesitate to fork and contribute: I need you to Sugarize the world ! All contributors are welcome. Lionel. P.S.: Special thanks for their contribution on this version to: Jorge Alberto Gómez López (TurtleJS activity), Manuel Quiñones (Gears activity), Bert Freudenberg (Etoys activity), Christian Stroetmann (German localization), Jason Weathersby (Firefox OS support). -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Unleash Kids group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to unleashkids+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Announcement] Sugarizer v0.5 is available for your device
Please Christian, don't start ... again This is a open source community, contributions are valued more than empty words. Gonzalo On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Christian Stroetmann stroetm...@ontolab.com wrote: Hi Lionel I'm sorry to say but what you say is not so true. In fact, you came up with Sugarizer, because you did not want to discuss anymore and said code matters more than words. That was your first solo run. Furthermore, you were Android and Chrome focused only. Only after I announced Sugarfox, a project that alread started on the 3rd of October 2013, you began the discussion about copyright. In addition, the software architecture of Sugarfox and the Sugarizer app is virtually the same, and to develop a software architecture is also work. Said this, what you did now with the Sugarizer app is a second time a solo run from my point of view and this attempt of playing down the whole contribution and perverting facts is not so nice. Christian Hi Christian, I'm sorry to say that neither OntoLab, neither Sugarfox (tm) has contributed in anything to Sugarizer. Sugarizer is a free open source software under Apache Licence thanks to SugarLabs and all its contributors. Regarding your own contribution in Sugarizer 0.5, it's limited to what's described here: [1] (German localization). Lionel. [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2014-May/048314.html 2014-10-17 18:18 GMT+02:00 Christian Stroetmann stroetm...@ontolab.com: - Firefox OS support: Thanks to Mozilla foundation that help me on that, Firefox and Firefox OS are now #1 platforms for Sugarizer. Sugarizer has been tested successfully on Firefox browser and on several Firefox OS devices (Keon, Peak, Flame). Not forget to mention the OntoLab (me) with Sugarfox. ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Users cannot find Sugar with gnome-software in Fedora 20
Is a good point Iain. Can you help us with this? If you send a AppData file, I can help with the packaging. Gonzalo On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: GNOME Software Center, or Software [1] is the default software installer for Fedora 20. Sugar is not found in a search of Software. Richard Hughes, the owner of Fedora's Changes/AppInstaller [2], put out a call [3] for maintainers to ship an AppData specification [4], so that Software will find registered apps. I asked Richard how I could help fix this and this is from his reply. [quote] I assume you want to show the sugar-runner application. According to https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/screenshots/f21/failed.html#sugar-runner.desktop it's missing a Comment in the .desktop file that means we just can't show it in the search results. It's also missing an AppData file, so a long description and some screenshots. If you fix up the .desktop file, and/or add an AppData file that validates, then do a build+update for f21 then it should re-appear in the search results after a couple of days. Hope this helps, Richard [/quote] Is anyone already working on this? Iain Brown Douglas [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Software [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller [3] http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2013/08/29/gnome-software-center-and-you/ [4] http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Cannot connect to internet on school server
I would suggest ask on the server mailing list [1], but looks like lists.laptop.org is down right now?! Where are the school server guys these days? Gonzalo [1] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Athar Haque findat...@gmail.com wrote: I recently installed XO school server in a VM for testing of my project. I have followed steps on - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software. But couldn't connect to the internet. I have activated standard networking by running the command *xs-setup-network.* When I run yum update. I get this error - Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=6arch=x86_64repo=os error was14: PYCURL ERROR 6 - Couldn't resolve host 'mirrorlist.centos.org'Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base I can't find a solution to it and if anyone knows how to fix this, it would be of great help. -- Regards, Nazrul irc - native93 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Testing images with SUgar 0.102
We have new images to test Sugar 0.102 in any XO model. You can download them here [1] These images are clean Sugar images, without any customization. Even when Sugar 0.102 is finished, we appreciate the report of errors. What is new? The release notes [2] describe the changes in Sugar, in addition, the following activities were updated: - Abacus 54 - 56 - Calculate 41.2 - 42 - Chart 10 - 11 - Chat 80 - 81 - FractionBounce 22 - Log 35 - 36 - Measure 49 - 51 - Memorize 47 - 48 - Physics 19 - 21 - Scratch 24 - 25 - TurtleBlocks 202.1 - 207 and the following activities were added: - Finance 11 - Words 21 - MusicPainter 12 Several performance issues were solved, if you use XO-1, would be great if you can help us to identify remaining issues, to solve them on the next Sugar cycle. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Testing#Testing_with_a_XO [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Notes -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Request for public motion to decide on fuding request for Sugar Camp travel
Hi Sebastian, We have not received the information about our finances from part of SFC yet. Walter have been requesting a few times, but no success. As we said in the meeting, as soon as we have that information, will decide on your request. Gonzalo On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: Sugar Labs, are you there? Remember, remember, from the Sugar Labs declaration of principles: Information Regular reports - Reported activities and future plans allow monitoring and participation. Information accessible - Even internal operational information is available by default. We try to operate en plein air. Explicit confidentiality - It is explained what matters are confidential, why, and who can access them. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Information Either we haven't by inaction or implicit confidenciality, the request made by productive members of our community, formally, twice, would be good to respond. And when we are hopefully past that, I ask, is the Sugar Labs organizational structure working? Are we all Sugar Labs? Regards, Sebastian El jue, 5 de jun 2014 a las 1:38 PM, Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org escribió: Dear SLOBs, On May 27, three members of our community have requested travelling funds [1] to be able to assist and take part of Sugar Camp Chía 2014. SLOBs met last monday [3] but did not make a motion, pending info from SFC regarding our financial status (SLOBs was unaware of available resources of Sugar Labs). The present note is to formally request updated status of this funding request. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4775#ticket [2] http://camp.laboratoriosazucar.org/ [3] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2014-06-03 [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance -- Laura V. ID SomosAZUCAR.Org Identi.ca/Skype acaire IRC kaametza Happy Learning! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Background contest site error fixed
Hi folks, Martin Abente found a error in the server code of our Background Contest site [1]. If you had problems uploading your images, please try again. Please report if the error continue Regards, -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning [1] http://contest.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] triage meeting
Looks more than comments than tickets, right? Or I am missing something? For our way of work, I think we need at least component and priority, and if is a bug or a enhancement. Or there are another way to categorize them? I see labels here https://github.com/dnarvaez/test/issues Gonzalo On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, if we decide to do it I think we should do it *before* the meeting, so that we triage using github already and we don't risk to lose information (or to have a really hard time fixing the script to preserve it). On 19 April 2014 02:03, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I tried to do a migration using trac2github. Here is what it looks like https://github.com/dnarvaez/test/issues/258 It's missing the reporter and it's not filtering by component but these should be easy to add (it's php sigh, but still...). On 19 April 2014 01:03, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Something is probably worth bringing up (it has been discussed a couple of times in irc) is the possibility to migrate to github issues. Maintaining trac is becoming a bit of a burden, especially because of spam prevention. Someone (Bernie?) suggested we could keep bugs.sugarlabs.orgaround for a while but in read-only mode, rather than migrating. Interested in people thoughts, I have not fully considered the migration issue to be honest. On 9 April 2014 14:10, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We plan to hold a triage meeting to clean up bugs.sugarlabs.org on Wednesday, 23 April, beginning at 9AM EST (14 UTC). We will be on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting all day. Please join the fun. -- Tenemos la intención de celebrar una reunión de triage para limpiar bugs.sugarlabs.org el miércoles 23 de abril a partir de las 9 a.m. EST (14 UTC). Estaremos en irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting todo el día. Por favor, únase a la diversión. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez -- Daniel Narvaez -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Last day in Google Code In - San Francisco
As some of you may know, this week was the Google Code In winners ceremony, where Ignacio Rodriguez from Uruguay and Jorge Gómez López from El Salvador, our finalists, their parents and I on behalf of SugarLabs, came to San Francisco. This is brief report, to share the experiece with the community. The event was perfectly organized, with a excelent work from Stephanie Taylor, and her team. They shown not only profesionalism, but love by the project. We participated with other 9 projects. The event started the last Sunday at the night, with a presentation of all the winners, and food. Googlers gave us food, a lot of food, all the time :) The Monday we had a visit to the Google campus, with the official prizes ceremony, and a talk from Chris DiBona, Director of Open Source at Google. Later some Googlers gave us talks about the projects where they work, and about their career. All the talks were different, some more technical, some more human, but all had good advices for the kids. The Tuesday was a day to know the city, we could choice between go to Alcatraz Island, or to do a tour in Segway for the city. The Segway are fun devices, and we had a little training before doing the tour. Ignacio said the Alcatraz excursion was very fun too. Later we went to the Academy of Sciences, (is like a giant museum but alive, have collections, a beautifull aquarium, a planetarium, and so. We had a Behind the Scenes Tour, with a guide, and the possibility of see places not opened to the public, like the places where the researchers work. Today was the last day, we went to Google offices in SF and we had the possibility of present every one of our projects. Later we went to San Francisco State University, to meet Sameer Verma, who did a interview to Jorge and Ignacio. All the week was a very nice experience, we could talk face to face with our students, students from other projects, and other mentors. We interchanged experiences, about how they manage GCI and GSoC contest, and I tried to start contacts with other projects related to us. In fact tomorrow I will visit the Wikimedia offices (is amazing how many internet companies and groups are in the SF area) I will upload photos when return home, just need do a selection, SF is a incredible place, I took 1000 photos! Sameer already shared photos from the OLPC SF meeting the last Saturday, from my part, I enjoyed participate in the meeting. I talked about the features in Sugar 0.100 and 0.102, the webactivities, and other trends in Sugar development. They shared the project they have, as the work in Pathagar and statistics visualization. I hope we can work more connected in the future, SugarLabs and OLPC SF. Regards, -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] triage meeting
Well, maybe call iy normal or low instead of minor, but we need a way to separate the tickets we _need_ fix, the tickets we _want_ fix, and the tickets _would_be_nice_ fix. We have almost 250 tickets, if we can solve 50 tickets in these 2 months, is important know what are the best candidates. Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: This is probably going to be a bit controversial, but I think if something is worth marking minor then it's probably not worth tracking. We will never get to fix the minor but we will waste time triaging and retriaging them. On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: +1 to check if are enhancements or defects. About priorities, we can make something like: blocker: regressions, crashes, serious bugs major: bugs affecting the usability minor: other Just a idea to start to discuss. Gonzalo On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Something else to consider is what to do with priorities. It might make sense to set one when confirming bugs, it's hard to get right without spending a lot of time really but maybe helpful for contributors even if not very accurate. I think we have too many categories for priorities: IMHO, either it is a blocker or it is not. -walter On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 9 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting blog post with a paragraph about GNOME triaging http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/enabling-participation/ Interestingly it's pretty much exactly the same approach I followed with the triaging I had done with 0.100. It would be good to have a simple set of rule like that written down before the meeting. I think the way we triage has a huge impact on lowering contribution barriers, +1 We need at least verify all the Unconfirmed tickets. We can start now, don't need wait until the triage meeting. I assume, if the bug is confirmed, we should set: Milestone = 0.102 Status = New I wonder about Milestone. It seems like it would only be useful if we assign different milestones to tickets and I'm not sure we can do that without being able to allocate resources to fix them. It's also a time consuming task. True. or close them if are not longer present. Would be good if we can reset all the priorities to Unassigned, in all the tickets with module=Sugar,the field content does not have any sense right now. Do we want to use the field? Otherwise maybe there is a way to just get rid of it. Just to mark they have been triaged, and based in the querys used in bugs.sugarlabs.org home. Do you propose doing in another way? The home queries uses status == unconfirmed for untriaged. The tickets I set status = new (not that many left) have been confirmed. I had reset everything to unconfirmed before starting to triage. -- Daniel Narvaez -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning -- Daniel Narvaez -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] triage meeting
I disagree. While is true manage the tickets have cost, is good have a record of things we want to do, even when we don't have the resources today to do it. More in the context of a project where we have volunteers some times more, some times less. Just my two cents ...of pesos :) Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: What I'm saying is that the would be nice to fix will never be fixed, they will keep accumulating and we will waste triage time on them over and over. Better to just wontfix them, people can always send patches if they care. Plus we tell them clearly it's up to them to do something if they need them fixed. IMO it's really really important to aggressively close stuff we are not realistically going to fix soon. Otherwise either we waste more time triaging than fixing or we don't triage enough and the bug tracker becomes useless. Just my two cents. We could also keep low for now and see if it really grows too much to be worth retriaging over time. In my experience it's always does but it would be nice to be proven wrong. On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Well, maybe call iy normal or low instead of minor, but we need a way to separate the tickets we _need_ fix, the tickets we _want_ fix, and the tickets _would_be_nice_ fix. We have almost 250 tickets, if we can solve 50 tickets in these 2 months, is important know what are the best candidates. Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comwrote: This is probably going to be a bit controversial, but I think if something is worth marking minor then it's probably not worth tracking. We will never get to fix the minor but we will waste time triaging and retriaging them. On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: +1 to check if are enhancements or defects. About priorities, we can make something like: blocker: regressions, crashes, serious bugs major: bugs affecting the usability minor: other Just a idea to start to discuss. Gonzalo On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Something else to consider is what to do with priorities. It might make sense to set one when confirming bugs, it's hard to get right without spending a lot of time really but maybe helpful for contributors even if not very accurate. I think we have too many categories for priorities: IMHO, either it is a blocker or it is not. -walter On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 10 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 9 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting blog post with a paragraph about GNOME triaging http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/enabling-participation/ Interestingly it's pretty much exactly the same approach I followed with the triaging I had done with 0.100. It would be good to have a simple set of rule like that written down before the meeting. I think the way we triage has a huge impact on lowering contribution barriers, +1 We need at least verify all the Unconfirmed tickets. We can start now, don't need wait until the triage meeting. I assume, if the bug is confirmed, we should set: Milestone = 0.102 Status = New I wonder about Milestone. It seems like it would only be useful if we assign different milestones to tickets and I'm not sure we can do that without being able to allocate resources to fix them. It's also a time consuming task. True. or close them if are not longer present. Would be good if we can reset all the priorities to Unassigned, in all the tickets with module=Sugar,the field content does not have any sense right now. Do we want to use the field? Otherwise maybe there is a w -- Daniel Narvaez -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] triage meeting
+1! On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: We plan to hold a triage meeting to clean up bugs.sugarlabs.org on Wednesday, 23 April, beginning at 9AM EST (14 UTC). We will be on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting all day. Please join the fun. -- Tenemos la intención de celebrar una reunión de triage para limpiar bugs.sugarlabs.org el miércoles 23 de abril a partir de las 9 a.m. EST (14 UTC). Estaremos en irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting todo el día. Por favor, únase a la diversión. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] triage meeting
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting blog post with a paragraph about GNOME triaging http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/enabling-participation/ Interestingly it's pretty much exactly the same approach I followed with the triaging I had done with 0.100. It would be good to have a simple set of rule like that written down before the meeting. I think the way we triage has a huge impact on lowering contribution barriers, +1 We need at least verify all the Unconfirmed tickets. We can start now, don't need wait until the triage meeting. I assume, if the bug is confirmed, we should set: Milestone = 0.102 Status = New or close them if are not longer present. Would be good if we can reset all the priorities to Unassigned, in all the tickets with module=Sugar,the field content does not have any sense right now. Then we can use the triage meeting to finish the confirmation and to set the priorities. What you think? Gonzalo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] triage meeting
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 9 April 2014, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comwrote: This is an interesting blog post with a paragraph about GNOME triaging http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/enabling-participation/ Interestingly it's pretty much exactly the same approach I followed with the triaging I had done with 0.100. It would be good to have a simple set of rule like that written down before the meeting. I think the way we triage has a huge impact on lowering contribution barriers, +1 We need at least verify all the Unconfirmed tickets. We can start now, don't need wait until the triage meeting. I assume, if the bug is confirmed, we should set: Milestone = 0.102 Status = New I wonder about Milestone. It seems like it would only be useful if we assign different milestones to tickets and I'm not sure we can do that without being able to allocate resources to fix them. It's also a time consuming task. True. or close them if are not longer present. Would be good if we can reset all the priorities to Unassigned, in all the tickets with module=Sugar,the field content does not have any sense right now. Do we want to use the field? Otherwise maybe there is a way to just get rid of it. Just to mark they have been triaged, and based in the querys used in bugs.sugarlabs.org home. Do you propose doing in another way? -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar 0.100 0.102 features videos
Now in English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAYGtEwEbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxizr3elPQ Spanish version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot_T9impkNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ljkueuBU0 To test development version of Sugar 0.102 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Testing -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2014-04-01
The page will be updated soon. The deadline is May 31th Gonzalo On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: The background contest doesn't specify the deadline for submitting a background, what's the deadline? On Apr 2, 2014 3:36 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: ==Sugar Digest== 1. Daniel Narvaez just released Sugar 0.101.6 (unstable). See [1] for detailed notes on changes since Sugar 0.100. The tarfiles are available at [2-4] and new test builds are being prepared (keep an eye on [5]). We've entered Feature Freeze (which had been extended by three weeks to enable us to land a few more features). Time to chase down bugs. Tip-of-the-hat to Gonzalo Odiard, Martin Abente, and Manuel Quiñones, who put so much effort into getting the last few features over the hump. Also, an extraordinary number of new features were contributed by our Google Code-in students: special kudos to Emil Dudev, Ignacio Rodriguez, and Sam Parkinson. Finally, it was really nice to see so many first-time contributors. 2. Gonzalo has made some videos demonstrating the new features in both Sugar 100 [6] and Sugar 102 [7]. 3. We are reviewing Google Summer of Code applications. We had 35 applicants this year. We'll know in a few weeks how many slots we get from Google. 4. I traveled to Colombia a few weeks ago with Claudia Urrea to visit a wonderful ANSPE project in Chia being run by Aura Mora [8]. Saw some old friends (Sebastian Silva, Laura Vargas, and Sandra Barragán) and made many new friends. The highlights for me were the two Turtle Art workshops: one at the National University in Bogota and the other with the children in Chia. 5. Claudia and Erik Blankinship joined me on a panel discussuion at LibrePlanet 2014 [9]. The panel, which will be available online, was No more mouse: saving elementary education. :The lack of a mouse and the presence of the mouse are having a detrimental impact on global elementary education. The rush to adopt tablets is putting passive tools of consumption into the hands of young learners at a time in their development when making is paramount. The Disneyification of media further erodes the opportunity for personal expression by young learners. In this panel we will characterize these threats and discuss strategies for combating them. === In the community === 6. Sugar Camp #3 - Paris, hosted by Bastien Guerry, will be held from 12-13 April in Carrefour Numérique - Cité des Sciences. For more information, see [10]. 7. Claudia will be hosting a Learning Chat on Wednesday, 2 April, at 10AM EST, 15 GMT. The guest speaker will be Gonzalo. Please join us at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting. (These meetings will be held regularly on the first Wednesday of each month.) 8. The Sugar Background Image Contest has begun. See [11] for details. === Tech Talk === 9. I wrote a new activity while I was in Colombia: Word Cloud [12] is a simple activity for generating word clouds from text. 10. Another new activity worth mentioning is Flappy [13] by Alan Aguiar. Enjoy. (I cannot get past the first gate.) === Sugar Labs === 9. Please visit our planet [14]. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Notes [2] http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.101.6.tar.xz [3] http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.101.4.tar.xz [4] http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.101.4.tar.xz [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Testing [6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot_T9impkNw [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ljkueuBU0 [8] http://www.anspe.gov.co/es/sala-de-prensa/noticia/convenio-entre-la-anspe-one-laptop-child-olpc-y-la-alcaldia-de-chia [9] http://libreplanet.org/2014/ [10] http://fr.amiando.com/sugarcamp3.html [11] http://contest.sugarlabs.org [12] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4734 [13] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4731 [14] http://planet.sugarlabs.org -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugarlabs invite to participate in Wallpapers Contest
SugarLabs invite to participate in the contest to create wallpapers. Now that Sugar can change the wallpaper, would be great to go with a collection of the best art made by our users. We believe it is a way to stimulate artistic skills ant to engage children in the project creatively. You can create images with any activity, Paint, Record, TurtleArt, and even with other programs. The contest begins today and ends on May 31. We invite you to spread this invitation to as much children as possible The contest site is http://contest.sugarlabs.org/ Thanks! -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs Oversight Board ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Manual de traducción de Sugar a Lenguas Nativas
Felicitaciones, muy buen trabajo! Gonzalo 2014-02-15 1:25 GMT-03:00 Laura Vargas la...@somosazucar.org: Estimados amigos y amigas, Les compartimos la primera versión del Manual de Traducción de Sugar a Lenguas Nativas. http://somosazucar.org/2014/02/15/manual-de-traduccion-a-lenguas-nativas/ Esperamos les sea útil y entre todos contribuyamos a que más niños usen su computadora en su propio idioma. Saludos, -- Laura V. ID SomosAZUCAR.Org Identi.ca/Skype acaire IRC kaametza Happy Learning! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar for any device - v0.3
Great work. I am trying to use the thin client, but I only see the activities from the version 0.2 (and the content of the journal from the last time) Should I reset/clean something to see the new activities? Gonzalo On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.orgwrote: Hi all, I'm proud to announce the third version of Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar for any device. http://sugarizer.org To remind you, Sugarizer reproduce main features of Sugar in HTML5/JavaScript. Sugarizer also expose these features to allow running in a browser Sugar Web activities wrote for Sugar 0.100. New in this version: - Full support of filtering in home view, list view and journal, - Localization: English, French and Spanish - thank to Alan, - Full buddy menu, - Settings dialog for name, buddy color and language, - 4 new activities: - Maze from Manuel Quiñones: a port of the famous Sugar Maze game, - Gridpaint from Brian Silverman: a nice painting too with triangle, - FoodChain: a game to learn name of animals (French, English), - Abecedarium; a full Abecedarium (image, text, sound) with more than 2000 words in French, English and Spanish. - Better touch support and better compatibility with Firefox, Safari and IE, - Now available as Thin Client (Web), Client (Android or PC) and Server (for School server). Hope that you'll enjoy it and it motivate you to adapt or create new Sugar Web Activities that will work both on Sugar and on Sugarizer. The power of JavaScript is the very rich ecosystem of frameworks that you could now use to port/rewrite Sugar activities. Here some sample: - Physics: http://buildnewgames.com/physics-engines-comparison/ - Write: http://www.webodf.org/ - Calculate: http://www.graphr.org/ - Labyrinth: http://philogb.github.io/jit/ - Arcade Games: http://craftyjs.com/ or http://html5quintus.com - Scratch: http://waterbearlang.com/javascript.html - TurtleArt: ask Walter :-) - Implode: ask Joe ! Go ahead to Sugarize the world with HTML5/JavaScript technologies ! Best regards from France. Lionel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] wiki.sugarlabs.org upgraded to MW 1.22.2
Thanks Bernie. All looks good (and feel faster) Gonzalo On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: I upgraded the main wiki to MediaWiki 1.22.2, which brings some new user-visible features: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.22#MediaWiki_1.22.2 I also patched our OpenID plugin to allow creating new users, so if you couldn't create an account in the past, please try again now and let us know if you still have any issue. Please accept my apologies on behalf of the Infrastructure Team for the inconvenience. As you may know, some persistent spammers have been vandalizing our wiki and even ReCaptcha doesn't seem to stop them. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar for any device - v0.3
I found that the only thing you need to remove is the entry with key 'sugar-settings' in LocalStorage. Do you know how clean only that in chrome? -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar for any device - v0.3
Thanks! Gonzalo On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: 2014-01-29 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: I found that the only thing you need to remove is the entry with key 'sugar-settings' in LocalStorage. Do you know how clean only that in chrome? - open inspector (ctrl shift i) - click on tab resources - unfold local storage in the sidebar - select http://llaske.github.io/; - select item with key sugar_settings - press delete key, or click on the X at the bottom of the list -- .. manuq .. -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar Labs Oversight Board meeting reminder
Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2014-01-06T13:59:33.html Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2014-01-06T13:59:33 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Is the log of the meeting already available somewhere so we can catch up on what was discussed (I'm particularly interested in the hardware and plans discussions)? I just did a quick check of w.s.o and couldn't find anything... Thanks, Christoph 2014/1/5 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com We have a meeting on Monday, 6 January at 14 UTC (9 EST). Please join us in #sugar-meeting on irc.freenode.net (chat.sugarlabs.org). Among the agenda items: * Welcoming our newest member, José Miguel García * Google Code In wrap up discussion * Hardware vendors and hardware platforms * Planning for 2014 --- Tenemos una reunión el lunes 6 de enero a las 14 UTC (9 EST). Por favor, únase a nosotros en el #sugar-meeting en irc.freenode.net (chat.sugarlabs.org). Entre los temas del programa: * Bienvenida a nuestro nuevo miembro, José Miguel García * Código de Google en una envoltura de la discusión * Los proveedores de hardware y plataformas de hardware * La planificación para 2014 regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Sugarizer, a taste of Sugar on any device
Very nice! Good work Lionel. Gonzalo On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.orgwrote: Hi all, I'm proud to announce the second version of my prototype of Sugar as a web page. This version now include the list view of the home, datastore handling, popup menu on activities, and journal view. I've decided to name it Sugarizer and package it as a dedicated web site: http://sugarizer.org You could access to Sugarizer from the web site or download the Android. To remind you the concept, Sugarizer reproduce main features of Sugar in HTML5/JavaScript. Sugarizer also expose these features to allow running of Sugar web activities wrote for Sugar 0.100. So all activities included in the Sugarizer package work in the same way on Sugar 0.100. Hope you'll enjoy it, it's my Christmas gift to the Sugar community :-) Best regards from France. Lionel. P.S.: Source code is available on https://github.com/llaske/Sugarizer ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs servers statistics
Thanks Aleksey, this is really usefull. Gonzalo On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi all, There is a new Sugar Labs site, http://stats.sugarlabs.org/ which was created to visually present Web analytics for sites Sugar Labs supports. It is based on AWStats[1], an open source Web analytics reporting tool (Piwik was considered as well but was found much slower for collecting Web reports). For the majority of sites, reporting history is about 3 years (not the whole history, though). Besides, not all Web sites, that Sugar Labs servers host, are represented. If you think that there are missed sites, reply to this thread or use administrative contact [2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWStats [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/stats#Administrative_contact -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Education freedom day
Maybe we can join them too. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comwrote: http://pockey.dao2.com/2013/11/education-freedom-day-celebrations-18-january-2014/ Sad that Sugar is not even mentioned. -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Helping with 0.102
Should be great start closing the 40 tickets in the defects list. Is good you take the time doing the triaging, thanks! Gonzalo On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've been doing a lot of bug triaging but we still have 192 untriaged tickets, hopefully I'll get to the bottom of the list at some point. Though the tickets which have been triaged are hopefully all current, actionable and somewhat prioritized. Or at least that's what I tried to ensure. So if you want to contribute to 0.102, just go to bugs.sugarlabs.org, click on Defects or Enhancements and choose any of them. If you need help understanding the issue or figuring out how to solve it, feel free to post on the list or ping me in irc. I'm happy to mentor. For enhancements I suggest to discuss, irc or list, before getting too much into the implementation, especially if UI is involved. That will ensure we have a consensus about the feature and the details of its implementation. If you lack energy, join the IRC channel and I'm sure GCI will inspire you. We are doing great progress and it's being a lot of fun. I'm mostly giving you chance to tackle some of the issues before the students fix them all :) -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] New AU images to test
I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test
The same languages included by default in 13.2.0 en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy Any suggestion? Gonzalo On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo, What languages do these images contain? cjl On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
