Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread FRASER, Brian
I've got MACRF=(GL,PL) in my programmes and it works. ;)



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Re: Ave Atque Vale

2007-08-21 Thread Graeme Gibson

What!?


  ***  The Prayer to John G. ***

We'll hurl a hundred lurkers off a pier,
Or snub a thousand snubbers drenched in beer
all's but a piffle 'gainst the loss we face,
If this bedevilled list you cease to grace!

John, Dont Go!

GG.

At 01:27 AM 8/21/2007, you wrote:
Peter Hunkeler has suggested that I have been exhibiting too much 
(and growing) impatience here, and I must agree.  Good luck to all of you.


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Re: Ave Atque Vale

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Bardos
Dave Kopischke wrote in reply to John Gilmore
 On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:27:06 +, john gilmore wrote:
 
 Peter Hunkeler has suggested that I have been exhibiting too much (and
 growing) impatience here, and I must agree.  Good luck to all of you.
 
 John Gilmore
 Ashland, MA 01721-1817
 USA
 

 One of the many strengths of this forum is the diversity of
 interests and experiences. We are collectively diminished when
 we experience a loss of participation.

 Fare thee well Sire Gilmore


Well put, Dave, total agreement on my part. Honestly I was even looking
forward to John Gilmore's posts. Each and every time. Quite often motivated
me to look up one or more of the words he uses with Seymour-esque
precision. And quite often I failed to find their meaning even by doing a
google search. I don't mind him displaying his outstanding education and
knowledge. Same as I don't mind Shmuel Metz displaying pedantry (especially
since he once described the envy he felt when seeing someone drive along
with a 'PEDANT' car plate IIRC) plus his sharp humor and irritatingly
precise memory and education.

As I don't know neither John nor Seymour personally I tend to perceive
their IBM-MAIN representation like characters in a play. Ah, here comes
Sire Gilmore (again: well put, Dave) answering in his very own style.

The fact that I do not know a lot of things won't stop me from posting
(though I'm mostly lurking). I've been exposed to only a small subset of
possible product/configuration combinations in the mainframe universe so
even if I think that I do know an answer to a question or that I do ask a
question in appropriate terms, I do know that I may well be wrong and that
I will be corrected. Sometimes (most of the time) in a gentle tone,
sometimes (seldom) in a harsher tone, sometimes (very seldom) in a
condescending tone.

The ease with which I accept an answer even if the tone doesn't seem fit is
directly proportional to the respect these people have built with their
contributions over the years. Makes me always read their posts as if they
had surrounded them with a clin d'oeil (sorry for the french here but I
didn't find an adequate english term for the ;-) ).

Robert Bardos

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Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 19 Aug 2007 to 20 Aug 2007 (#2007-232)

2007-08-21 Thread David Boyes
 The issue is quite possibly scalability.  Only a tiny fraction of Solaris 
 users need huge
 machines, and scalability is something IBM is quite good at.  It might make 
 good business
 sense for Solaris to cede the very top end to IBM and avoid the huge expense 
 of extreme
 scalability when only a few of their customers need it.

Actually, quite the converse. The sweet spot is virtualization. IBM can't 
compete on computational power, but they can compete on manageability. There's 
a lot more to be done to deal with the rafts of pizza boxes than the big 
106-ways. And there are a lot more opportunities to do it.


 A television commercial here a few minutes ago crowed about Nissan (I think) 
 managing 56,500
 servers using Microsoft System Center.
 THEY GOT THEMSELVES INTO THAT MESS, AND THEY'RE _PROUD_ OF IT ?!?

Silk purse. Sows ear. 


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LPServe dynamic allocation

2007-08-21 Thread Gerard Brul
In the LPServe started task there will be a lot of dynamic allocations 
during the receiving of data that must be printed using the JES2 spool.

These dynamic allocations are done randomly on our attached dasd.

Does anybody know a way of allocating these temporary files on a dedicated 
volume? In the z/os SMTP environment are special configuration methods 
available. I can not find these regarding the LPServe (LPD) environment.

We do not use SMS.

Regards


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Re: LPServe dynamic allocation

2007-08-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
We do not use SMS.

You should.
It would be easy, then.

I implemented SMS in the early 1990's, warts and all.

17 years later, it's much better.
And, it works.

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Steve Comstock

Johnny Luo wrote:

Steve,

I also believe it should be (GL,PM) after I checked my personal notes. I
remember clearly that I wrote a test program to verify that three months
ago. (On z/os 1.7)


H. I'd have to see the program.

From DFSMS Using Data Sets, p. 398:

When you update a data set in place, you read, process, and write 
records back to their original positions without destroying the 
remaining records on the track. The following rules apply:


 * You must specify the UPDAT option in the OPEN macro to update the 
data set. To perform the update, you can use only the READ, WRITE, 
CHECK, NOTE, and POINT macros or you use only GET and PUTX macros. To 
use PUTX, code MACRF=(GL,PL) on the DCB macro.


 * You cannot delete any record or change its length.
 * You cannot add new records.
 * The data set must be on a DASD.
 * You must rewrite blocks in the same order in which you read them.

And later, talking about updating PDSE members (p. 478):

You can update a member of a PDSE using the locate mode of QSAM (DCB 
specifies MACRF=(GL,PL)) and using the GET and PUTX macros.





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Nope. MACRF=(GL,PL) is what it has to be.



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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Johnny Luo
Steve,

Here is my program:

***
*AUTHOR: JOHNNY   *
*DATE  : 05/11/07
*DESCRIPTION: UPDATE A PS,FB FILE USING QSAM
*I-OFILE: INVMAST(PS,FB,50)
***
  TITLE 'DEMONSTRATE HOW TO UPDATE UISNG QSAM'
QSAMUPD   CSECT
* HOUSEKEEPING
  SAVE   (14,12)
  LR 3,15
  USING  QSAMUPD,3  BASE REGISTER
  LA 15,SAVEAREA
  ST 15,8(,13)
  ST 13,SAVEAREA+4
  LR 13,15
* MAINLINE
  OPEN (INVMAST,UPDAT)
READ  GET  INVMAST
  MVC  0(50,1),=CL50'UPDATED BY QSAM HAHA!'
  PUTX INVMAST
  B READ
EOF   CLOSE (INVMAST)
* HOUSEKEEPING
  L  13,SAVEAREA+4
  MVC16(4,13),RC
  RETURN (14,12)
* WORKING AREA
  LTORG
INVMAST   DCB DDNAME=INVMAST,  X
   DSORG=PS,   X
   RECFM=FB,   X
   LRECL=50,   X
   EODAD=EOF,  X
   MACRF=(GL,PM)
*
SAVEAREA  DS 18F
RCDC F'0'
   ENDQSAMUPD

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 H. I'd have to see the program.





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Re: CA-1 TMC Reblock - recommended size?

2007-08-21 Thread Ambat Ravi Nair
interesting this topic should come up - i just did an exercise to reblock
the TMC, and to add about 400,000 volume records + 150,000 DSNB records on
Sunday (in Production).

with BLKSIZE=340, the old copy was 9600 trks with 93% used.
with BLKSIZE=8840, i allocated 9000 trks -- used 61%

amazing!


only hiccup was, the Common Tape Subsystem address space choked (80A-10)
when started at REGION=3M.  when asked, the regional CA support simply
stated to bump it up to 4M, but no calculations offered.


- ravi.


On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:41:40 -0500, Russell Witt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tim,

The main reason to block the TMC is space utilization. If you are currently
allocated as 340 X 340 and you change to the recommended 340 X 8840 you will
end up using only about 1/3 the amount of dasd.

The reason that 8840 was chosen was that it gives well over 90% utilization
on the DASD track; yet doesn't require a huge amount of ECSA to be reserved.
Also, for direct I/O (read a single record, write a single record) we have
to read and write a block at each time. So, to read a 340-byte record
requires a read of either 8840 bytes of 27880 bytes. Granted, the majority
of I/O time is spent on connecting to the device versus actually
transferring the data; but still do you really want to xfer 27880 bytes
every time you want to read or write a single record.

We do have some clients runing with 27880 and they report no problems. So,
the choice is yours. But for space utilization, 8840 is close to optimum
but only requires a total of 26,520 bytes of ECSA versus 83,640 bytes.

Strictly your choice, but the only reason for blocking the TMC is improved
space utilization and 8840 will give you a three-fold improvement.

Russell Witt
CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Steve Comstock

Johnny Luo wrote:

Steve,

Here is my program:

***
*AUTHOR: JOHNNY   *
*DATE  : 05/11/07
*DESCRIPTION: UPDATE A PS,FB FILE USING QSAM
*I-OFILE: INVMAST(PS,FB,50)
***
  TITLE 'DEMONSTRATE HOW TO UPDATE UISNG QSAM'
QSAMUPD   CSECT
* HOUSEKEEPING
  SAVE   (14,12)
  LR 3,15
  USING  QSAMUPD,3  BASE REGISTER
  LA 15,SAVEAREA
  ST 15,8(,13)
  ST 13,SAVEAREA+4
  LR 13,15
* MAINLINE
  OPEN (INVMAST,UPDAT)
READ  GET  INVMAST
  MVC  0(50,1),=CL50'UPDATED BY QSAM HAHA!'
  PUTX INVMAST
  B READ
EOF   CLOSE (INVMAST)
* HOUSEKEEPING
  L  13,SAVEAREA+4
  MVC16(4,13),RC
  RETURN (14,12)
* WORKING AREA
  LTORG
INVMAST   DCB DDNAME=INVMAST,  X
   DSORG=PS,   X
   RECFM=FB,   X
   LRECL=50,   X
   EODAD=EOF,  X
   MACRF=(GL,PM)
*
SAVEAREA  DS 18F
RCDC F'0'
   ENDQSAMUPD


Ah! You see: you said you were going to use Put Move
(MACRF=(GL,PM)), but you actually used Put Locate (or,
more precisely, PUTX Locate) because your PUTX only
has one operand. To use PUTX Move mode you need to
specify two operands: the DCB and location where the
record should be put from; so you used PUTX locate
mode even though you promised to use PUTX move mode;
so you got away with a little lie. The proper way is
to code MACRF=(GL,PL). Try it that way. It will work
and will be correct.




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H. I'd have to see the program.




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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Johnny Luo
Thanks, Steve. I'll fix my program as well as my notes right now.

I must say I always fear to deal with i/o because it's so complicated and
full of various parameters.

On 8/21/07, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Ah! You see: you said you were going to use Put Move
 (MACRF=(GL,PM)), but you actually used Put Locate (or,
 more precisely, PUTX Locate) because your PUTX only
 has one operand. To use PUTX Move mode you need to
 specify two operands: the DCB and location where the
 record should be put from; so you used PUTX locate
 mode even though you promised to use PUTX move mode;
 so you got away with a little lie. The proper way is
 to code MACRF=(GL,PL). Try it that way. It will work
 and will be correct.




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LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Mark S. House
Looking for recommendations on adding an 80 megabyte load module to the 
LPA.  What are the negatives.  The reason we would like to do this is that 
one of our application programs that use this module can be used by 1 to 
10 jobs running at the same time.  Our thought is that by making this 
module resident, we would only have one copy of the load module in core 
for up to 10 jobs.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: OT but may impact a lot of people on here

2007-08-21 Thread Kelman, Tom
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IODF: undefined 3390A

2007-08-21 Thread R.S.

I need to define DASD array to MVS.
It will be escon connected, CU type is 2105, ESS 800. Total number of 
3390B + 3390A devices is 3072 (12 LCUs).
I need to acces only part of devices in each CU, i.e. 30 3390B devices 
of 100 existing in each LCU. The rest will remain undefined (those disks 
does not contain my data). I want to do it because of ESCON constraint 
1024 devices.


However I want to use PAV, so I have to define alias devices !

Q: Do I have to define all the aliases, or I can define only part of them ?
Example: CU 0, UA 00-63 is 3390B, 64-FF is 3390A.
I want to define in HCD UA 37-60 and - let's say UA 64-84 as aliases.

Will it work properly ?

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread J R

I suspect that UPDAT is a special case and that, for PUTX, it may not
matter whether you specify MACRF=(GL,PL) or MACRF=(GL,PM).

In DFSMS Using Data Sets, p. 353, it refers to:
GET-locate, PUTX-update. Processed in an input buffer and returned to the 
same data set.


And, on p.355:
UPDAT mode. When a data set is opened with UPDAT specified (Figure 63), 
only GET-locate and PUTX-update are supported.


It seems to avoid using locate and move in the UPDAT context.




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Subject: Re: Ways to update PS files?
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:51 -0600

Johnny Luo wrote:

Steve,

I also believe it should be (GL,PM) after I checked my personal notes. I
remember clearly that I wrote a test program to verify that three months
ago. (On z/os 1.7)


H. I'd have to see the program.

From DFSMS Using Data Sets, p. 398:

When you update a data set in place, you read, process, and write records 
back to their original positions without destroying the remaining records 
on the track. The following rules apply:


 * You must specify the UPDAT option in the OPEN macro to update the data 
set. To perform the update, you can use only the READ, WRITE, CHECK, NOTE, 
and POINT macros or you use only GET and PUTX macros. To use PUTX, code 
MACRF=(GL,PL) on the DCB macro.


 * You cannot delete any record or change its length.
 * You cannot add new records.
 * The data set must be on a DASD.
 * You must rewrite blocks in the same order in which you read them.

And later, talking about updating PDSE members (p. 478):

You can update a member of a PDSE using the locate mode of QSAM (DCB 
specifies MACRF=(GL,PL)) and using the GET and PUTX macros.





On 8/21/07, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Nope. MACRF=(GL,PL) is what it has to be.



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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:36:07 -0500, Mark S. House wrote:

Looking for recommendations on adding an 80 megabyte load module to the
LPA.  What are the negatives.  The reason we would like to do this is that
one of our application programs that use this module can be used by 1 to
10 jobs running at the same time.  Our thought is that by making this
module resident, we would only have one copy of the load module in core
for up to 10 jobs.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Hmmm.  That would use 4% of below-the-bar CSA.  Just 25 such and you run
out.  Are any shops impacting this constraint nowadays?  Is there hope
for above-the-bar LPA someday?

-- gil

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RTLS

2007-08-21 Thread Peter Relson
I would appreciate hearing from anyone who uses the Run Time Library
Services (RTLS) function in z/OS which covers, basically:

SET RTLS command
DISPLAY RTLS command
CSVRTLS macro
CSVRTAA mapping macro
CSVRTLxx parmlib member
RTLS system parameter (IEASYSxx)

These services were developed for LE which no longer uses them. Our current
thought is that no one else uses them. Is that thought wrong?

Thank you.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
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Re: CA-1 TMC Reblock - recommended size?

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:40:32 -0500, Ambat Ravi Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



only hiccup was, the Common Tape Subsystem address space choked (80A-10)
when started at REGION=3M.  when asked, the regional CA support simply
stated to bump it up to 4M, but no calculations offered.


It's 2007 - time to implement an IEFUSI that ignores those ridiculously low
1985 region sizes and changes it to at least 7 or 8 meg or something along 
the lines of  ((max pvt 16M) - (anywhere from .5M to 1M for LSQA)).

While your at it... region 16M minimum should be a lot more than the 32M
default. I've been using 256M for years.And of course you need to 
consider MEMLIMIT now too. 

Search the archives for IEFUSI.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Two questions/comments: 
1. Is the module AMODE 31 RMODE 31? If not, you are taking a sugnificant
chunk of below the line storage. Is it worth it? 
If it is AMODE/RMODE 31, then you should be OK. 
2. Is the module truly reentrant? If not, then it doesn't belong in LPA.



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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark S. House
 
 Looking for recommendations on adding an 80 megabyte load 
 module to the LPA.  What are the negatives.  The reason we 
 would like to do this is that one of our application programs 
 that use this module can be used by 1 to 10 jobs running at 
 the same time.  Our thought is that by making this module 
 resident, we would only have one copy of the load module in 
 core for up to 10 jobs.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Only downside I can think of is the loss of 80MB private area above the
line for all address spaces.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Chase, John
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark S. House
  
  Looking for recommendations on adding an 80 megabyte load module to 
  the LPA.  What are the negatives.  The reason we would like 
 to do this 
  is that one of our application programs that use this module can be 
  used by 1 to 10 jobs running at the same time.  Our thought is that
by 
  making this module resident, we would only have one copy of the load

  module in core for up to 10 jobs.  Any thoughts would be
appreciated.  
  Thanks.
 
 Only downside I can think of is the loss of 80MB private area 
 above the line for all address spaces.

Oh, one more thing is that programs in the LPA are treated as
APF-authorized, with all the caveats that entails.

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread J R

Ah! You see: you said you were going to use Put Move
(MACRF=(GL,PM)), but you actually used Put Locate (or,
more precisely, PUTX Locate) because your PUTX only
has one operand. To use PUTX Move mode you need to
specify two operands: the DCB and location where the
record should be put from; so you used PUTX locate
mode even though you promised to use PUTX move mode;
so you got away with a little lie. The proper way is
to code MACRF=(GL,PL). Try it that way. It will work
and will be correct.


Actually, for PUTX, the optional second operand specifies
the input dcb address, not record/buffer address.  So, I
think this implies that there's no such thing as PUTX-MOVE
or PUTX-LOCATE.



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Johnny Luo wrote:

Steve,

Here is my program:


~snippage~


Ah! You see: you said you were going to use Put Move
(MACRF=(GL,PM)), but you actually used Put Locate (or,
more precisely, PUTX Locate) because your PUTX only
has one operand. To use PUTX Move mode you need to
specify two operands: the DCB and location where the
record should be put from; so you used PUTX locate
mode even though you promised to use PUTX move mode;
so you got away with a little lie. The proper way is
to code MACRF=(GL,PL). Try it that way. It will work
and will be correct.




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H. I'd have to see the program.




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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:36:07 -0500, Mark S. House
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Looking for recommendations on adding an 80 megabyte load module to the
LPA.  What are the negatives.  The reason we would like to do this is that
one of our application programs that use this module can be used by 1 to
10 jobs running at the same time.  Our thought is that by making this
module resident, we would only have one copy of the load module in core
for up to 10 jobs.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.


I assume the module is reentrant. ( and 31 bit!  :-)   )

The only negative I can see is your loss of 80M of EPVT.  Considering
most shops have between 1600M-1800M, I don't see that as being a
problem.  But I have seen some large requirements for EPVT so only
you can answer that question for your shop (ISTR 1600M needed to 
start an SAP instance on z/OS for an SAP upgrade and some large
requirements for WebSphere). 

Sounds like a good idea to me.  Especially if you are storage constrained
at all.

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Ah! You see: you said you were going to use Put Move
(MACRF=(GL,PM)), but you actually used Put Locate (or,
more precisely, PUTX Locate) because your PUTX only
has one operand. To use PUTX Move mode you need to
specify two operands: the DCB and location where the
record should be put from; so you used PUTX locate
mode even though you promised to use PUTX move mode;
so you got away with a little lie. The proper way is
to code MACRF=(GL,PL). Try it that way. It will work
and will be correct.

Sorry to contradict to some extent. While the outcome is 
as you describe, there is no PUTX-move-mode (according to 
the manual). The second, optional operand is the *input 
DCB address* to be used in the output mode. If it 
is omitted, PUTX assumes update mode. 

I consider this a special case of locate mode processing 
if you want to call it so, at all. The sequence of
locate mode PUT is a) set DCBLRECL b) call PUT and c) 
finally move the record to the address returned in b).

With PUTX, nothing is moved. PUTX continues with the
control blocks as left by the last GET. So conceptually, 
it is more like a GL,PM processing than it is a GL,PL 
processing, since no step c) has to be done after the
call to PUTX.

The manual is a bit fuzzy about PUTX, so I may have 
misinterpreted the tex myself ;-)


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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Graeme Gibson
I was amazed to see how many posters effectively said don't use this 
technique!


QSAM update-in-place is a very simple, easy-to-use and effective 
update technique that has been used in countless applications for 
goodness knows how many years.  Only the application programer will 
be aware when the technique has been used, there's nothing to tell 
sysprogs or operators that it's in use and absolutely no need for 
them to know.  One of it's strengths is the ability to have 
concurrent batch updating of a file that is also being used read-only 
by other programs, perhaps for online customer queries, the sort of 
thing that today you'd be using a fully-blown database for.


But my real point is that we need to get a grip on the primitive 
impulse to discard, deride and detour 'round the unfamiliar; that's 
the path back to anarchy and the dark ages.


Graeme.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Veilleux, Jon L
 
 Two questions/comments: 
 1. Is the module AMODE 31 RMODE 31? If not, you are taking a 
 sugnificant chunk of below the line storage.  

Yeah, like 500% of what exists down there.  :-)

 If it is AMODE/RMODE 31, then you should be OK. 
 2. Is the module truly reentrant? If not, then it doesn't 
 belong in LPA.

A point I missed earlier

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
John Chase said:
 Yeah, like 500% of what exists down there.  :-)

Right...DUH. I slept through that one 


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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Chase, John
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 John Chase said:
  Yeah, like 500% of what exists down there.  :-)
 
 Right...DUH. I slept through that one 

Well, in retrospect, I suppose it could use overlays.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
John Chase said:
Well, in retrospect, I suppose it could use overlays.

OH GOD! I hope not! 
I don't think that there are many application programmers that have even
heard of overlay programs, let alone code one and the corresponding
binder statements, correctly. Not to mention trying to debug one!



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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread Dean Montevago
Hi,

I didn't forget about all of you who helped me. Thank you for the
suggestions. I opened a PMR with IBM, it appears that the unit being
passed to SMS is zeros. I am waiting for a slip from them. We did change
the freespace and the file shrunk by 15%. I will update when I have more
info.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Jacobs

Veilleux, Jon L wrote:

John Chase said:
  

Yeah, like 500% of what exists down there.  :-)



Right...DUH. I slept through that one 



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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:36:07 -0500, Mark S. House wrote:

Looking for recommendations on adding an 80 megabyte load module to the 
LPA.  What are the negatives.  The reason we would like to do this is that 
one of our application programs that use this module can be used by 1 to 
10 jobs running at the same time.  Our thought is that by making this 
module resident, we would only have one copy of the load module in core 
for up to 10 jobs.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks. 

Another consideration might be how often the module needs to change.  If it 
needs to be updated often it might be a hassle for you.  Also, each time you 
update it, you take another chunk of ECSA.  You'll need procedures to delete 
the old copy when it is inactive.  IIRC, you can't delete the copy that is in 
PLPA.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Tom Marchant said: 
Another consideration might be how often the module needs to change.
If it needs to be updated often it might be a 
 hassle for you.  Also, each time you update it, you take another chunk
of ECSA.  You'll need procedures to delete the 
old copy when it is inactive.  IIRC, you can't delete the copy that is
in PLPA.

If you are using Dynamic LPA you can delete and reload the module fairly
easily (depending on your change control procedures). If you are using
PLPA you are stuck without an IPL.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:52:52 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:

John Chase said:
Well, in retrospect, I suppose it could use overlays.

Not in LPA.

OH GOD! I hope not!
I don't think that there are many application programmers that have even
heard of overlay programs, let alone code one and the corresponding
binder statements, correctly. Not to mention trying to debug one!

Really?  Who do you think used overlays?  It was SOP for application 
programmers where I came from when running in MVT.  Debugging isn't 
particularly an issue.  Of course, the Linkage Editor can't resolve an external 
reference to a module that is in a different leg.

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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread John Kington
Dean,
 I didn't forget about all of you who helped me. Thank you for the
 suggestions. I opened a PMR with IBM, it appears that the unit being
 passed to SMS is zeros. I am waiting for a slip from them. We did change
Do you mean nulls instead of zeros?
 the freespace and the file shrunk by 15%. I will update when I have more
 info.
ISTR that you were using two filter lists, one testing the DSN and the
other
testing UNIT. If you add '' (two single quotes with nothing between) to
your
second filter list, I am certain you will have better results.
Regards,
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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:54:36 -0400, Dean Montevago wrote:

I didn't forget about all of you who helped me. Thank you for the
suggestions. I opened a PMR with IBM, it appears that the unit being
passed to SMS is zeros.

Not surprising.  If you must check the UNIT, perhaps you want to check that 
it is not tape.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:05:13 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:

If you are using Dynamic LPA you can delete and reload the module fairly
easily 

You can delete the module only when you know that no one is using it.

If you are using
PLPA you are stuck without an IPL.

You can't delete the PLPA copy, but you can still put an updated copy in 
dynamic LPA.  It will be used for new requests.

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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread Dean Montevago
FILTLIST DASD_UNITS INCLUDE('3390','SYSDA','SYSALLDA')  

FILTLIST TAPE_UNITS INCLUDE('3590*','MAGSTAR','T3590')  

FILTLIST DB2_VOL INCLUDE(* )
   

*/ 
/** PRODUCTION VSAM */  
/*/ 
FILTLIST PRODVSAM INCLUDE(REFPROD.REF.DNO.**)   

WHEN ((DSN EQ PRODVSAM) AND  
  (UNIT EQ DASD_UNITS))   
   DO   
SET DATACLAS EQ 'PRODVSAM' 
WRITE 'DATACLAS SPECIFIED (' DATACLAS ')' 
EXIT
   END

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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:54:36 -0400, Dean Montevago wrote:

I didn't forget about all of you who helped me. Thank you for the 
suggestions. I opened a PMR with IBM, it appears that the unit being 
passed to SMS is zeros.

Not surprising.  If you must check the UNIT, perhaps you want to check
that 
it is not tape.

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Re: Operating System #6 for the IBM Mainframe: Solaris

2007-08-21 Thread legolas wood

David Andrews wrote:

On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 13:11 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
  

If you haven't read the news yet, IBM and Sun announced a new
collaboration.  From press accounts it would appear the two companies' next
action is to bring Solaris to the IBM mainframe.



The port itself is an undertaking of Sine Nomine Associates.  See:
http://www.sinenomine.net/node/607

  

Hi
It is a good news, Is there any prediction or announcement about a 
release date?

6 months, 1 year or something like this?

Thanks

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 00:23 +1000, Graeme Gibson wrote:
 Only the application programer will be aware when
 [QSAM update-in-place] has been used, there's nothing
 to tell sysprogs or operators that it's in use and
 absolutely no need for them to know.

Unless the sysprog (me, in one unfortunate case) enabled compression.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Bill Wilkie
Amen to that Jon. The last time I played with an overlay was when I had a 
large module to run in VS1. It was not a pretty picture but you did learn 
the Linkage editor.


Bill



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John Chase said:
Well, in retrospect, I suppose it could use overlays.

OH GOD! I hope not!
I don't think that there are many application programmers that have even
heard of overlay programs, let alone code one and the corresponding
binder statements, correctly. Not to mention trying to debug one!



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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Dean,
 
  You might consider replacing (UNIT EQ DASD_UNITS))   with 
(DSORG EQ 'VS'))  
 
A VSAM file is obviously allocated to DASD. If a user/programmer has used a 
variation of REFPROD.REF.DNO.** 
for a tape backup then the test will fail.  
   



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FILTLIST DASD_UNITS INCLUDE('3390','SYSDA','SYSALLDA') 
   
FILTLIST TAPE_UNITS INCLUDE('3590*','MAGSTAR','T3590') 
   
FILTLIST DB2_VOL INCLUDE(* )   
  

*/
/** PRODUCTION VSAM */ 
/*/
FILTLIST PRODVSAM INCLUDE(REFPROD.REF.DNO.**)  
   
WHEN ((DSN EQ PRODVSAM) AND 
  (UNIT EQ DASD_UNITS))  
   DO  
SET DATACLAS EQ 'PRODVSAM'
WRITE 'DATACLAS SPECIFIED (' DATACLAS ')'
EXIT   
   END   




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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread Dean Montevago
Thanks. That's a thought. But what gets me is we did the same exact
thing for another VSAM file (except we used a fully qualified name) and
it worked no problem. The only difference was the OS level.

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Dean,
 
  You might consider replacing (UNIT EQ DASD_UNITS))   with 
(DSORG EQ 'VS'))  
 
A VSAM file is obviously allocated to DASD. If a user/programmer has
used a variation of REFPROD.REF.DNO.** 
for a tape backup then the test will fail.




From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SMS Question - Urgent



FILTLIST DASD_UNITS INCLUDE('3390','SYSDA','SYSALLDA') 
   
FILTLIST TAPE_UNITS INCLUDE('3590*','MAGSTAR','T3590') 
   
FILTLIST DB2_VOL INCLUDE(* )   
  

*/
/** PRODUCTION VSAM */ 
/*/
FILTLIST PRODVSAM INCLUDE(REFPROD.REF.DNO.**)  
   
WHEN ((DSN EQ PRODVSAM) AND 
  (UNIT EQ DASD_UNITS))  
   DO  
SET DATACLAS EQ 'PRODVSAM'
WRITE 'DATACLAS SPECIFIED (' DATACLAS ')'
EXIT   
   END   




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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
When something works and you change release level, that screams 'bug' to me. 
Right now we're trying to find a work around for your problem which requires 
NOT doing the same thing. 
 


From: Dean Montevago [Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 11:48 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SMS Question - Urgent


Thanks. That's a thought. But what gets me is we did the same exact
thing for another VSAM file (except we used a fully qualified name) and
it worked no problem. The only difference was the OS level.




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XMIT QUESTION

2007-08-21 Thread willie bunter
Hallo To All,
   
  I am trying to perform an XMIT (pds member) from one partition to another and 
I am partially successful.  Below is my command:
   
  XMIT  NYZ380.ZAWTPWG DA('CNTL.JCL(SMSJOB1'))

  What the command does it creates the member SMSJOB1 in a pds ZAWTPWG.CNTL.JCL
   
  Does XMIT allow to create the member in a given PDS .e.g TEST.CNTL.JCL?  If 
so could anyone please provide me the correct syntax.  I tried various commands 
but I kept getting the ISPD204  Invalid parameter - 'CMD(ZPTCPRM' 
contains unrecognized  
parameter. 


   
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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread Dean Montevago
Sounds like a bug to me also. Thanks for your help.

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When something works and you change release level, that screams 'bug' to
me. Right now we're trying to find a work around for your problem which
requires NOT doing the same thing. 
 


From: Dean Montevago [Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 11:48 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SMS Question - Urgent


Thanks. That's a thought. But what gets me is we did the same exact
thing for another VSAM file (except we used a fully qualified name) and
it worked no problem. The only difference was the OS level.




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Re: IODF: undefined 3390A

2007-08-21 Thread Roy Hewitt

Radoslaw,

Simply answer is yes.

For any CU, you can define whatever subset of devices you need, whether 
base devices or aliases.


Just ensure that the CU definition is defined for maxiumum devices.. ie 
00.256


R.S. wrote:

I need to define DASD array to MVS.
It will be escon connected, CU type is 2105, ESS 800. Total number of 
3390B + 3390A devices is 3072 (12 LCUs).
I need to acces only part of devices in each CU, i.e. 30 3390B devices 
of 100 existing in each LCU. The rest will remain undefined (those disks 
does not contain my data). I want to do it because of ESCON constraint 
1024 devices.


However I want to use PAV, so I have to define alias devices !

Q: Do I have to define all the aliases, or I can define only part of them ?
Example: CU 0, UA 00-63 is 3390B, 64-FF is 3390A.
I want to define in HCD UA 37-60 and - let's say UA 64-84 as aliases.

Will it work properly ?



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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread McKown, John
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 When something works and you change release level, that 
 screams 'bug' to me. Right now we're trying to find a work 
 around for your problem which requires NOT doing the same thing. 

Not always. Sometimes it is IBM closing a hole where something did not
work according to specification. Eg. But I've always gone 55 in the 40
zone here, officer!

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Tom Marchant said:
Really?  Who do you think used overlays?  It was SOP for application
programmers where I came from when running in MVT.   Debugging isn't
particularly an issue.  Of course, the Linkage Editor can't resolve an
external reference to a module 
 that is in a different leg. 

Tom, you're talking about folks who were familiar with writing programs
when virtual storage was very limited. MVT has been gone for a long
time. I know there are probably a few silver backs who could still
structure and write an overlay program, but I would be willing to bet
that the majority of today's application folks never even heard of
overlay although it would be a good history lesson for an assembler
class.

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Re: XMIT QUESTION

2007-08-21 Thread Walt Farrell

On 8/21/2007 12:41 PM, willie bunter wrote:

  I am trying to perform an XMIT (pds member) from one partition to another and 
I am partially successful.  Below is my command:
   
  XMIT  NYZ380.ZAWTPWG DA('CNTL.JCL(SMSJOB1'))


  What the command does it creates the member SMSJOB1 in a pds ZAWTPWG.CNTL.JCL
   
  Does XMIT allow to create the member in a given PDS .e.g TEST.CNTL.JCL?  If so could anyone please provide me the correct syntax.  I tried various commands but I kept getting the ISPD204  Invalid parameter - 'CMD(ZPTCPRM' contains unrecognized  
parameter. 


If you showed us your actual command, I think you simply have the 
trailing ' mark in the wrong place.  You need

XMIT  NYZ380.ZAWTPWG DA('CNTL.JCL(SMSJOB1)')

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Re: XMIT QUESTION

2007-08-21 Thread Ulrich Krueger
Willie,
Where the user on the receiving system ultimately places the dataset, is up
to the user. OK, what that means is, it's a function of the RECEIVE command
to determine placement of the transmitted dataset (or member). There's
nothing you can do on the TRANSMIT command to influence that.
Usually, when you execute the TSO RECEIVE command, you get prompted for
dataset options. 
If you just simply hit Enter, the default dataset name is generated from the
sending dataset and prefixed with your TSO-prefix (userID). 
But if you want to redirect the dataset (or member) to a different dataset,
new or existing, you do so at the prompt, e.g. DA('SYS9.CNTL.JCL'). This
will put the member into the specified dataset instead of the default /
generated datasetname.
Please do a TSO HELP RECEIVE or crack open the TSO commands manual (or
whichever manual contains the TRANSMIT and RECEIVE commands). There's a
whole bunch of parameters you can specify to help direct the received data
to the desired location.

Regards,
Ulrich Krueger

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Subject: XMIT QUESTION

Hallo To All,
   
  I am trying to perform an XMIT (pds member) from one partition to another
and I am partially successful.  Below is my command:
   
  XMIT  NYZ380.ZAWTPWG DA('CNTL.JCL(SMSJOB1'))

  What the command does it creates the member SMSJOB1 in a pds
ZAWTPWG.CNTL.JCL
   
  Does XMIT allow to create the member in a given PDS .e.g TEST.CNTL.JCL?
If so could anyone please provide me the correct syntax.  I tried various
commands but I kept getting the ISPD204  Invalid parameter - '
CMD(ZPTCPRM' contains unrecognized  
parameter.

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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
John,
 
Agreed, I've seen the same thing although It was long ago.
 
My point was more in trying to stop Dean from hitting his head against a wall 
doing 'what worked before'. If it isn't working now, try something else. 



John McKown wrote


 When something works and you change release level, that
 screams 'bug' to me. Right now we're trying to find a work
 around for your problem which requires NOT doing the same thing.

Not always. Sometimes it is IBM closing a hole where something did not
work according to specification. Eg. But I've always gone 55 in the 40
zone here, officer!



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More Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Post
Cross-posted to Linux-390, IBMVM and IBM-MAIN

The second batch of Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109 in San Diego
are now up on the linuxvm.org web site.  There were some reports of
corrupted files from the first batch.  I downloaded everything, and
re-uploaded anything that didn't match the source file.  The same has been
done for this batch as well.  If you're still having problems accessing a
particular presentation, try wget, curl, whatever to see if that corrects
things.

You can view them at http://linuxvm.org/present/#share109

SessPresenter   Title
9110Romney Whitez/VM Live Guest Migration
9111Romney WhiteUsing New CP Features in z/VM 5.3
9150Jay Brenneman   CSE For High Availability and System Management
9240Jay Brenneman   Linux on z/VM System Programmer Survival Guide


Thanks,

Mark Post

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Re: PCI Compliance - Encryption of all non-console administrative access.

2007-08-21 Thread John Mattson
Ray !!! Just getting back from SHARE.  There was a presentation on PCI at 
Share, and folks are just starting to really take it seriously.  I will 
send you a copy of the presentation if you like.  My shop is just starting 
in on this, and I would be glad to compare notes with you. 
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access.

How is everybody dealing with this anyhow?  Testing  procedures include a 

determination that TELNET and other remote log-in commands are not 
available for use internally.

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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:48:10 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:

Tom, you're talking about folks who were familiar with writing programs
when virtual storage was very limited. MVT has been gone for a long
time. 

Agreed.  There is little, if any, need for overlay structures these days.  I 
was 
taking exception to your statement that application programmers wouldn't be 
able to design one.  

I know there are probably a few silver backs who could still
structure and write an overlay program, but I would be willing to bet
that the majority of today's application folks never even heard of
overlay 

Again I agree.  Likewise system folks.

although it would be a good history lesson for an assembler
class.

Assembler?  Not really.  Most of the overlay structures that we built were 
primarily COBOL, with the occasional Assembler subroutine.  There's no need 
for assembler in an overlay structure.

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Re: PCI Compliance - Encryption of all non-console administrative access.

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Jacobs

John Mattson wrote:
Ray !!! Just getting back from SHARE.  There was a presentation on PCI at 
Share, and folks are just starting to really take it seriously.  I will 
send you a copy of the presentation if you like.  My shop is just starting 
in on this, and I would be glad to compare notes with you. 
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We are very heavily into PCI here. We have been certified as PCI 
compliant and keep working hard to maintain that status.


We just required all TN3270 traffic to use SSL/TLS. All customer data is 
encrypted with 3DES when it is at rest and we are just starting to 
implement the TS1120 tape drives to encrypt our full volume backup tapes 
and eventually all out application specific backups.


I would like to see the presentation to see if we can improve our 
procedures.


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Re: LPServe dynamic allocation

2007-08-21 Thread Gerard Brul
It will not be easy to install SMS right away, nobody else a diffrent solution?

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IBM Level 1 - gotta love it.

2007-08-21 Thread Todd Burch
None of us are perfect, but we got a good chuckle when we asked a couple
questions in an ETR.  This is a service we pay for, right?  LOL.  

The questions make no difference - just read the responses:


A1. In SDSNMACS(DSNDQW00), QW0021K2 is defined as XL1 (i.e. hex with a  
length of 1 byte). Later on in the same member it's defined as  
FIXED(8) (i.e. 8 bits). 
The value for the partition number will be stored as a hex value
so 1 byte or 8 bits will have a maximum hex value of x''
(4,294,967,295 decimal).
.   
A2. Those fields in your list defined as XL2 or CL2 ar 2 bytes  
or 16 bits in length. QW0199DN is defined as QW0199DN H and later on
defined as PTR(16). That's a halfword or 16 bits, the same as XL2 and   
CL2. The maximum hex value in 16 bits then is x''   
or 18,446,744,073,709,551,615.

 
Todd

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Re: ADMINSTRIVIA: thread killed

2007-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/20/2007
   at 03:06 PM, Darren Evans-Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

You know which one.

Actually, I don't, but I assume that I'll get an autoresponse if I
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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/16/2007
   at 11:47 AM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

When I started, that was *the* way people got into system 
programming.

Well, I was never in operations.

As for training, not all classes are created equal. I still remember
being given a stack of 7070 manuals and told to read them prior to the
class, only to discover that the class only covered the material we
had already read. Some of the students were answering questions that
the instructor couldn't answer.

Then there was a DOS/360 Logic class that not only had an untrained
instructor, but one that had no access to the DOS developers.

Back when PLM's and source code were available to customers, learning
from those was often more productive than formal classes.
 
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Re: LPServe dynamic allocation

2007-08-21 Thread Ulrich Krueger
OK, Gerard, help me out here ... I'm not into LPSERVE myself.
These dynamically allocated datasets are going to be of what type: 
- true temporary datasets (similar to DSN=TEMP1) or 
- short-time permanent, cataloged datasets (DSN=LPSERVE.X.Y.Z)?

If they're true temp. datasets, then they should go to your disks mounted
with the PUBLIC attribute.
If they're permanent datasets, then they'll go to disks mounted with the
STORAGE attribute. 
And if your shop doesn't use SMS or any other disk allocation manager (like
PROSMS, used be known as STOP/X37) then there's no easy way that I know of
to segregate LPSERVE datasets from the rest of the storage-mounted disks.
Of course, you could I/O configure a group of disks with a different UNIT
name ... but how do you tell LPSERVE to allocate to UNIT=MYDISK?
Are you sure, there's no LPSERVE configuration parameter?

Regards,
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It will not be easy to install SMS right away, nobody else a diffrent
solution?

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Re: Attachmate

2007-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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   at 10:05 AM, Grant Ward Able [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Although I have updated my QuickPad to contain the PA1 key, none of
the  actions above seem to work...Pressing the ATTN key just
takes me  back to my session selection menu.

That sounds like standard[1] TPX behavior. First make sure that you
have a key defined as ATTN, then hit it twice.

[1] For good and sufficient reason.
 
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Re: Another why did they do it this way? question - SMF time stamps

2007-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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on 08/15/2007
   at 07:17 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Thanks. That is the consensus, so is likely correct. I wasn't around
in the pre-S/370 era.

I was. You can still look[1] at the code if you want; it's on the
OS/360 turnkey system from the Hercules project.

[1] It's not pretty.
 
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Re: LPServe dynamic allocation

2007-08-21 Thread McKown, John
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 It will not be easy to install SMS right away, nobody else a 
 diffrent solution?
 

Well, yes I know of some ways. But they are, in my opinion, more
difficult to write and maintain than implementing SMS for this. The
methods are to use exits.

The first exit that comes to mind is the IGGPRE00 exit. This is DADSM
allocation preselection. The exit would examine the jobname (LPSERVE).
If not LPSERVE, then rc=0. Otherwise, look at the selected DASD volser.
If you don't like it, then return RC=8 with with a reason code of
X'47B0'. How to determine is up to you. We had this many years ago and
it did a RACROUTE to see if the user had READ access to a RACF profile
protecting the volume. If it did, then the volume was acceptable. If
not, then try again. If the exit denies every volume passed to it,
then allocation fails.

The second exit which comes to mind is IEFDB401. This is the dynamic
allocation validation exit. This exit could be used to modify the SVC 99
parameter list. What would be possible would be to create a special
ESOTERIC unitname for LPSERVE to use. Look at the SVC 99 parm list and
if the UNIT= parameter is specified, change it to your ESOTERIC. If you
don't find a text unit for the UNIT= parameter, add one using your
ESOTERIC. This does require a ESOTERIC just for this function and that
the appropriate DASD volumes be on the addresses assigned to this
ESOTERIC. Another possibility would be to add a text unit specifying the
VOL=SER parameter, forcing all allocations to a single volume, hard
coded.

Off hand, that's all that I can think of. Really, implementing a minimal
SMS environment is much easier and safer than doing any of the above,
honestly.

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Re: Ave Atque Vale

2007-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/20/2007
   at 03:27 PM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Peter Hunkeler has suggested that I have been exhibiting too much
(and growing) impatience here,

Nothing wrong with impatience, although it helps if you have all of
your facts right before you post.

and I must agree.  Good luck to all of you.

You don't need his, or my, approval to post on the list.
 
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Re: Attachmate

2007-08-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
That sounds like standard[1] TPX behavior.

Or, Candle SuperSession.

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Re: IBM Level 1 - gotta love it.

2007-08-21 Thread Edward Jaffe

Todd Burch wrote:

The value for the partition number will be stored as a hex value
so 1 byte or 8 bits will have a maximum hex value of x''
(4,294,967,295 decimal).

... The maximum hex value in 16 bits then is x''
or 18,446,744,073,709,551,615.
  


Ouch! And, it's even worse than you think. ETRs go straight through to 
level two!!


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Re: OT but may impact a lot of people on here

2007-08-21 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 21, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Kelman, Tom wrote:


That's interesting.  I got my present job because a recruiter saw my
resume on Monster.  However, I didn't include anything in my resume  
that
I would particularly consider confidential.  All I included was my  
name,
address, phone number, email address, and work and education  
history.  I

didn't include any salaries.  That can be discussed when an interested
company contacts me.  Also, I certainly didn't include my SSN.  As far
as I'm concerned if someone picks up that information I just need  
to be

careful of phishing emails, and I'm already careful in that area.

Tom Kelman
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632



Tom,

I don't know too much more information other that what he said that  
the email he got contained info that was not on their public web  
site. He did not go into specifics other than the email contained  
private information.


About 10 years ago I put my resume up on Monster and didn't even get  
a nibble. I never bothered to take it off (if that can be done). I  
had more luck on DICE.com. IMO monster was more for the pc weenies  
than MF types, but that was 10+ years ago.


Ed

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Re: Operating System #6 for the IBM Mainframe: Solaris

2007-08-21 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 06:53 +0430, legolas wood wrote:
 Is there any prediction or announcement about a release date?

Not yet.  It's a work in progress.

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Re: SMS Question - Urgent

2007-08-21 Thread Neil Duffee
On 2007-08-17 08:11, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote to IBM-Main:

 I have a CICS VSAM file that is reaching it's 4gb limit. I want to
 create an SMS pool for it. Can I define all the constructs and
 activate the new rules while the region is up and using this file ?
 Will they take affect the next time the file is deleted/defined ?

Dean:  likely too late for your urgency but ...

Did you consider simply adding the STORCLAS() DATACLAS() options to 
the Define Cluster?  If you have a pre-existing pool that would 
suffice, it would not require fiddling with your SCDS  ACS routine 
just to capture a particular DSN.

This will also suffice if you only need, in the short-term, to add a 
DATACLAS definition to cover Extended Addressing.  That would give 
you time to calmly think through any changes to the ACS routines 
which can be problematic as they grow.

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Re: LPServe dynamic allocation

2007-08-21 Thread Ulrich Krueger
Gerard,
Following up on my earlier post ... that kept me thinking, so I started
reading ...
The z/OS 1.7 Comm Server IP Configuration Reference, Chapter 25 Remote Print
Server (LPD) contains a description of the LPDDATA control dataset and its
parameters. In there, I can find a UNIT and a VOLUME parameter.
See
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/F1A1B451/2.20?SHE
LF=F1A1BK61DT=20060127182800

Isn't that what you are looking for?
Or are you looking at some other process?

Regards,
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Of Gerard Brul
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: LPServe dynamic allocation

In the LPServe started task there will be a lot of dynamic allocations 
during the receiving of data that must be printed using the JES2 spool.

These dynamic allocations are done randomly on our attached dasd.

Does anybody know a way of allocating these temporary files on a dedicated 
volume? In the z/os SMTP environment are special configuration methods 
available. I can not find these regarding the LPServe (LPD) environment.

We do not use SMS.

Regards


Gerard Brul

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Re: XMIT QUESTION

2007-08-21 Thread Ray Mullins
Hello Willie,

First, the closing apostrophe should be between the close parentheses 
   
  XMIT  NYZ380.ZAWTPWG DA('CNTL.JCL(SMSJOB1)')

To your second question - XMIT will not allow you to specify a PDS(E) member
in the OUTDS operand.  However, you can ALLOCATE a PDS member and specify
the DDNAME in the OUTDD parameter.

ALLOC DD(XMITOUT) DA(XMIT(TEST)) SHR
XMIT ABC.DEFG DA(CNTL(JOBCARD)) OUTDD(XMITOUT)
FREE DD(XMITOUT)

RECEIVE will support a PDS(E) member for INDS, or you can do the same
ALLOCATE trick.

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Ray 

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Subject: XMIT QUESTION

Hallo To All,
   
  I am trying to perform an XMIT (pds member) from one partition to another
and I am partially successful.  Below is my command:
   
  XMIT  NYZ380.ZAWTPWG DA('CNTL.JCL(SMSJOB1'))

  What the command does it creates the member SMSJOB1 in a pds
ZAWTPWG.CNTL.JCL
   
  Does XMIT allow to create the member in a given PDS .e.g TEST.CNTL.JCL?
If so could anyone please provide me the correct syntax.  I tried various
commands but I kept getting the ISPD204  Invalid parameter - '
CMD(ZPTCPRM' contains unrecognized  
parameter.



   
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Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-21 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:


John Chase said:

Well, in retrospect, I suppose it could use overlays.


OH GOD! I hope not!
I don't think that there are many application programmers that have  
even

heard of overlay programs, let alone code one and the corresponding
binder statements, correctly. Not to mention trying to debug one!





My memory is iffy on this but IIRC overlays in LPA are verbotten.

Ed

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Re: Ways to update PS files?

2007-08-21 Thread Graeme Gibson

(ROFL) Yup, that's one I didn't think of!

At 01:28 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote:

On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 00:23 +1000, Graeme Gibson wrote:
 Only the application programer will be aware when
 [QSAM update-in-place] has been used, there's nothing
 to tell sysprogs or operators that it's in use and
 absolutely no need for them to know.

Unless the sysprog (me, in one unfortunate case) enabled compression.

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