Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
Gee, you do I/O, you wait ... [snip]

Sure. I don't know if there is a CICS service to do I/O
to some non-CICS dataset, or if it was simply tolerated.
Actually, a wait only affects other transactions in the
same CICS region as the will have to wait, too. I remember
that in the early releases of OpenEdition / OS/390 UNIX
CICS and IMS both stated that they do not allow UNIX
services from within transactions because teh waits that
could result.

No matter whether waits are allowed or tolerated there is
big differece between a transaction doing an I/O to some 
dataset or UNIX file and a transaction doing an I/O to
some named pipe. In the later case there is a second 
*independent* process involved. And this process might 
run or not when the CICS transacion does its I/O (to the
pipe). Long waits may result and this must be acceptable
to the transaction's purpose.

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Re: Replacing IBM 3745

2010-01-28 Thread Juergen Keller
hello Philip, hello Chris,
the part with CISCO SNASw is exactly what we did when replacing the 3745s. 
We moved the old X.21 SDLC links from 3745 to SNASw without any impact to 
the customers and it works really fine. We also moved FrameRelay-links with 
64Kb and they also work without any impact.
regards Juergen

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Re: why compression costs additional I/O?

2010-01-28 Thread Yifat Oren
Ron,

Just to be sure someone mentions this;

Compressed Format sequential data sets are a special case of PS-E's.

From Macro Instructions for Data Sets':

Recommendation: For compressed format data sets, do not specify NCP (thus,
allowing the system to default it to 1) or specify NCP=1.  This 
 is the optimal value for NCP for a compressed format data set since the
system handles all buffering internally for these data sets. 

Best Regards,
Yifat

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Peter,

Yes for your example I am recommending NCP=96, which means BUFNO=96. I
habitually put both NCP and BUFNO on BSAM files because I've never been sure
if BSAM calculates BUFNO using the NCP value from JCL.

Many years ago I tested this to death on uncached DASD and found that
BUFNO/NCP of 16 was the point of diminishing return for QSAM and BSAM. While
I don't think these double buffer by design like EFS I think it fit well
with the chain length limit of eight blocks with BSAM and QSAM. 

I should revisit this as a study on FICON and Cached DASD as it is likely
that the knee in the curve happens at eight buffers now as I've noticed CPU
intensive utilities like IEBDG writing short chains when volumes are
SIMPLEX, and full chains when TrueCopy synchronous delays are added with
DUPLEX. It suggests to me that 16 is still a good number for when IO is
delayed. Thirty-one would be something I would recommend for BUFND on a VSAM
file with half track CISZ, but I don't think it does any harm on DSORG=PS.

As far as I recall BSAM and QSAM for PS-E does not have the same SSCH data
length and #CCW restrictions as PS, and media manager is probably limited to
a CYL. I'd only wish I had time to research this as a science project
right now, but at the moment I can only offer past experience with a
spattering of senior moments.

Ron

 

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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Don Poitras
In article dc74548a025aff4a85f46926802a9b230412b...@chsa1035.share.beluni.net 
you wrote:
 Gee, you do I/O, you wait ... [snip]

 Sure. I don't know if there is a CICS service to do I/O
 to some non-CICS dataset, or if it was simply tolerated.
 Actually, a wait only affects other transactions in the
 same CICS region as the will have to wait, too. I remember
 that in the early releases of OpenEdition / OS/390 UNIX
 CICS and IMS both stated that they do not allow UNIX
 services from within transactions because teh waits that
 could result.

 No matter whether waits are allowed or tolerated there is
 big differece between a transaction doing an I/O to some 
 dataset or UNIX file and a transaction doing an I/O to
 some named pipe. In the later case there is a second 
 *independent* process involved. And this process might 
 run or not when the CICS transacion does its I/O (to the
 pipe). Long waits may result and this must be acceptable
 to the transaction's purpose.

For a while now (5 years or so), you could code your transaction
using OTE (Open Transaction Environment.) If a wait is needed,
the transaction waits under a special TCB.

http://www.zjournal.com/index.cfm?section=articleaid=767

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connection time out and TSU still running

2010-01-28 Thread מתן כהן
hi,
i came across a strange problem only for one of the TSO users
when the connection time out reached, the user don't get the main TSO screen
and the screen where he was before still shown . then when he press a key,he
get
 the Xsystem down in thePCOM session until the main screen appears again
then the user address space continue and he can't logon ( the reconnect
action is disable - and i like to keep it that way) .

.so he need to ask me every time to cancel his user

do you have any idea?

thank ahead
matan cohen

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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:10:27 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) 
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com wrote:

that CICS transaction must not go into a wait, be it deliberately or
as the result of calling a non-CICS service. I think nowadays there
is a special queue to put transactions that do incur waits.
Quite right. As I said: you're likely not to be alone in your CICS and you 
should 
be polite to the others that are in there with you. 

If you would consider the solution I propose, you will want to go OTE, because 
your task can indeed get into a long wait when trying to read from a named 
pipe.

A named pipe is different from a standard file in that both ends
my become blocked upon a read or write, resp. The reader if there
is insufficient data in the pipe, i.e. the reader is faster reading
from the pipe than the writer can write into it. The writer if the
pipe becomes full, i.e. the writer is faster in writing to the pipe
than the reader can read from it.
Very true and definitely something to take into account.

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: IPCS Start-up issue

2010-01-28 Thread Mervyn Hing
LURKER ALERT

I know this is for CICS and a little ancient but does the ISPF portion on page 
7 
help?

http://www.schunk-associates.com/Presentations/Share097/s1078kta.pdf

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Re: z/os library center

2010-01-28 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Schramm
 
 Is anyone else having problems with the z/OS library center?  None of
the
 bookshelves appear for me.  I have tried Chromium, Firefox and IE.

One reason I never used the Library Center stuff is because Java
really bogs down my workstation, but just tried both the 1.9 and 1.10
Library Centers and no joy.

OTOH, the z/OS Internet Library web site still works fine:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/

I'm still addicted to the BookManager-format shelves.

-jc-

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[no subject]

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Pace
What is this, the 3rd such spam email?  I think Jospeh should be removed
until he can get control of his email and rejoin.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Joseph Poon jopoo...@hotmail.com wrote:

 http://sites.google.com/site/vx37sga2/dvep3f
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Re: JES2 Checkpoint dataset reserving the DASD volume.

2010-01-28 Thread Staller, Allan
What is value of the HOLD= parameter on your MASDEF statement?

snip
GRS display:

ISG343I 15.55.25 GRS STATUS 932   

DEVICE:6037 VOLUME:SPL3T0 RESERVED BY SYSTEM TSYS 

S=SYSTEMS SYSZJES2 SPL3T0SYS1.RDYTPLEX.HASPCKP1  T

SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR   EXC/SHR   STATUS

TSYS  JES2   0028   006FF5E8 EXCLUSIVE   OWN 

I have added the following entries in GRSRNL00:

RNLDEF RNL(EXCL) TYPE(SPECIFIC) QNAME(SYSZJES2)   

RNAME(SYS1.RDYTPLEX.HASPCKP1)/* HASP CHECKPOINT   */

RNLDEF RNL(EXCL) TYPE(SPECIFIC) QNAME(SYSZJES2)   

RNAME(SYS1.RDYTPLEX.HASPCKP2)/* HASP CHECKPOINT   */
/snip

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[no subject]

2010-01-28 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2010-01-28 14:30, Mark Pace pisze:

What is this, the 3rd such spam email?  I think Jospeh should be removed
until he can get control of his email and rejoin.


Yes, something should be done. However it is possible that Joseph is as 
guilty as you, it is possible that his address was chosen by attacker 
and he didn't do anything to make it easier. I remember I got some fake 
emails from RACF-L members. Obviously they didn't send these mails and 
they were NOT victims of any attack.


BTW: The above is only one of possible scenarios. Another one is someone 
simply subscribed to the list just for such purpose. What's sad: there 
is no reasonable way to fight against it: everyone can subsribe to the 
list. It can be done all the time, no authorization is needed. Even no 
hacker knowledge is needed.


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Re: IPCS Start-up issue

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:58:53 -0600, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:

Still having problems. Under ISPF, I can't get IPCS to start. The dump
directory is allocated properly but I still get the same start-up error:

IKJURPS RC=20,ERROR=23

I re-iterate: IPCS docs and MSGS  CODES are useless; no information is
available.

There doesn't seem to be anything about IKJTSOxx Parmlib member in any
IPCS docs.

Totally stumped... :-(


Rick,

Have you tried opening a PMR with IPCS support?   

How exactly are you trying to start it?  From the i...@390u panel
or home grown option?  

Btw, that panel selection option uses

   CMD(BLSCLIBD) NEWAPPL(BLSG) PASSLIB SCRNAME(IPCS)

Are the libraries pre-allocated or are you doing
  TSO EX 'SYS1.SBLSCLI0(BLSCLIBD)'   ?  

Do the library names in that exec and in SYS1.SBLSCLI0(BLSCALTL)
match your environment?

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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:02:07 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote:

Gee, you do I/O, you wait ... [snip]

Sure. I don't know if there is a CICS service to do I/O
to some non-CICS dataset, or if it was simply tolerated.
Actually, a wait only affects other transactions in the
same CICS region as the will have to wait, too. I remember
that in the early releases of OpenEdition / OS/390 UNIX
CICS and IMS both stated that they do not allow UNIX
services from within transactions because teh waits that
could result.

My naive understanding of the OS/360 multiprocessing
paradigm is that when one unit of work WAITs, another
is dispatched.  How does CICS manage to subvert this?
Why was it ever allowed?

What happens when a CICS transaction must do something
like:

Invalid PIN number; please re-enter

???  Does that spawn a separate transaction?

No matter whether waits are allowed or tolerated there is
big differece between a transaction doing an I/O to some
dataset or UNIX file and a transaction doing an I/O to
some named pipe. In the later case there is a second
*independent* process involved. And this process might
run or not when the CICS transacion does its I/O (to the
pipe). Long waits may result and this must be acceptable
to the transaction's purpose.

Well, there's nonblocking I/O.  But what do you do if the
pipe isn't ready?

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Joseph Poon

2010-01-28 Thread mpace58
Given how trivial it is to forge mail, removing someone who is a legitimate 
member would seem to be the worst solution.
Oh, btw, this isn't from Mark...just proving the point.

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Re: Joseph Poon

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Pace
Point taken.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:00 AM, mpac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Given how trivial it is to forge mail, removing someone who is a legitimate
 member would seem to be the worst solution.
 Oh, btw, this isn't from Mark...just proving the point.

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Re: (none)

2010-01-28 Thread Howard Brazee
On 28 Jan 2010 05:54:14 -0800, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.)
wrote:

BTW: The above is only one of possible scenarios. Another one is someone 
simply subscribed to the list just for such purpose. What's sad: there 
is no reasonable way to fight against it: everyone can subsribe to the 
list. It can be done all the time, no authorization is needed. Even no 
hacker knowledge is needed.

The new one I'm getting is messages telling me that someone has
responded to a message I put on a web discussion - and that response
is spam.

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Re: connection time out and TSU still running

2010-01-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
( the reconnect action is disable - and i like to keep it that way) .

Why?

.so he need to ask me every time to cancel his user

do you have any idea?

Yes. Re-enable reconnect.
Or, live with the requests.

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Re: The Incredible Shrinking PDSE

2010-01-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Your storage admin may have coded the acs routine to accept a management class 
value passed in via jcl but not likely.

Why is that not likely?
I've always allowed it.
Especially, since you can over-ride it with IDCAMS.
Most of the time, I've found people don't take the effort to change/control 
management classes.
This is proof that you've addressed their needs adequately.

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Re: Conflicting PCI Requirements - TLS FTP

2010-01-28 Thread Kirk Wolf
Sure, FTPS (FTP with TLS) is a PITA WRT firewalls and NAT routers, but
as Scott mentioned, there are elaborate hacks and tweaks that can
usually make it work.   If you can get one of these to work, why would
that be a violation of PCI?

As an alternative to FTPS, you might consider:

1) SSH/SFTP  - a single encrypted socket that works fine with
firewalls and NAT routers.

2) Regular FTP over an SSH Tunnel/Proxy
See: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol#FTP_over_SSH_.28not_SFTP.29
or: http://dovetail.com/products/ftpsshproxy.html

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

PS A recording and slides of a recent Webinar on z/OS SFTP (and
comparisons with FTPS)
are available on our homepage.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, P S zosw...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote:

 We are stuck. There is a PCI requirement to NAT all access, but that's not
 possible when TLS/FTP is used.


 Right. You really can't use FTP and be PCI-compliant, is my understanding.

 What's the actual problem you're trying to solve? I know, you weren't
 planning on rearchitecting the whole thing, but...

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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:02:07 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote:

Gee, you do I/O, you wait ... [snip]

Sure. I don't know if there is a CICS service to do I/O
to some non-CICS dataset, or if it was simply tolerated.
Actually, a wait only affects other transactions in the
same CICS region as the will have to wait, too. I remember
that in the early releases of OpenEdition / OS/390 UNIX
CICS and IMS both stated that they do not allow UNIX
services from within transactions because teh waits that
could result.

My naive understanding of the OS/360 multiprocessing
paradigm is that when one unit of work WAITs, another
is dispatched.  How does CICS manage to subvert this?
Why was it ever allowed?

What happens when a CICS transaction must do something
like:

Invalid PIN number; please re-enter

???  Does that spawn a separate transaction?

SNIP

CICS required that a transaction NOT cause an OS wait. You used a CICS
service (via MACRO or Command level interface) and allowed CICS to
schedule those things that could incur a WAIT.

So when you did this call to CICS, it would recognize you would need to
wait (whether you actually needed to or now, you will now) and then it
would go dispatch another transaction that was ready to run. 

In effect, CICS was making virtual TCBs run using one real TCB, with
each virtual TCB being a transaction (pseudo conversational or true
conversational).

Today, CICS has multiple TCBs to handle different things, but still the
MAIN TASK TCB is generally not allowed to incur an OS wait because the
whole CICS system may stall as a result.

Since Unix System Services (USS for this posting) may incur a WAIT those
things are not allowed in a transaction that runs in the main task
because of being able to cause the CICS system to stall.

IHTH

Steve Thompson

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Re: The Incredible Shrinking PDSE

2010-01-28 Thread John Kington
Your storage admin may have coded the acs routine to accept a management 
class value passed in via jcl but not likely.

Why is that not likely?
I've always allowed it.
Especially, since you can over-ride it with IDCAMS.
Most of the time, I've found people don't take the effort to change/control 
management classes.
This is proof that you've addressed their needs adequately.

A better choice of words might have been Your storage admin may have coded the 
acs routine to accept a management class value passed in via jcl but don't 
count on it.

Regards,
John

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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Howard Brazee
On 28 Jan 2010 07:34:29 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:

Invalid PIN number; please re-enter

Personal Identification Number Number?

At least this is working communication - unlike trying to guess what
is meant by 12:00 PM.

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Re: Job Openings At IBM In Dubuque Iowa

2010-01-28 Thread Arthur Gutowski
Agreed, particularly since this is not the first offense.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:28:07 -0600, Blaicher, Chris 
chris_blaic...@bmc.com wrote:

I am certainly no prude, and I swear like a sailor, but I refrain from doing 
so 
on a public forum.

I have seen plenty of irate rants about any number of things, but they were 
done, generally, with some amount of restraint.

I think Scott got caught up in some personal emotions, but that said, he 
should offer an apology to the list or he should be taken off the list.

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Subject: Re: Job Openings At IBM In Dubuque Iowa

Oh hey, so is the pay rate still $20?  Because while I love reading IBM
manuals, I really only wish my pay rate were dramatically slashed, when
enduring such trauma.  Nothing spells GOTCHA like (deleted)

Scott


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Re: IPCS 64bit Storage

2010-01-28 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Dan,
While I haven't started on this path yet, I believe that for 64 bit data 
access, you need to use the SYMBOL SERVICE rather than the STORAGE ACCESS 
service.  It appears that when you define the ERS block you need to 
specify ABITS=64 to generate the LAD area as a 64bit field rather than a 
32 bit field.  Hope this helps, sorry I can't be more detailed.

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Has anyone used the IPCS ADPLSACC service to access 64bit storage in a 
dump?  Is it possible at all?  If not, any suggestions on how to access 
64bit 
storage in a VERBX routine.

Thanks in advance.
DanD

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Re: PSF and Postnet on a 6500 printer

2010-01-28 Thread Howard Turetzky
While the 6500 is an IPDS printer, it does not support downloadable fonts. 
Instead, it uses 
built-in (resident) fonts, called symbol sets. For this reason, you can't use a 
barcode font; 
the 6500 has no built-in barcode fonts. However, IBM long ago designed a 
barcode 
architecture into AFP where the printer creates barcodes from simple AFP 
commands. You 
describe the barcode type, size and position, and the printer prints a barcode 
optimized for 
readability for the type of printer. This makes barcodes independent of printer 
resolution 
and of fonts.

You can easily tell the printer to create a barcode such as Postnet using a 
PAGEDEF. See 
the PPFA User's Guide, S544-5284-09, and look for the PAGEDEF FIELD subcommand. 
Here 
is an example:

PRINTLINE /* CITY, STATE ZIP  */ 
  REPEAT 1;  
  FIELD START 1 LENGTH 41
FONT NAD 
POSITION 0.1 IN NEXT;
  FIELD START 33 LENGTH 5
POSITION 4.5 IN NEXT 
BARCODE TYPE POSTNET ;/* PRINT POSTNET BARCODE */

You can also create structured fields to generate barcodes.

Howard Turetzky
Advanced Technical Support
InfoPrint Solutions Company
howard.turet...@infoprint.com


On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:01:33 -0600, James Derry jede...@ilstu.edu wrote:

I am having trouble printing a Postnet barcode using PSF on a 6500 printer.
The printer says it supports Postnet and PSF has a font (X0BPBN) in the
fontlib, but I'm having a difficult time getting everything to mesh.  The 6500
printer has IPDS and we are using the printer as a replacement for the old
4248 line printers, printing from JES2.

Has anyone been able to do this?

Thanks.
Jim



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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
What happens when a CICS transaction must do something
like:

Invalid PIN number; please re-enter

???  Does that spawn a separate transaction?

The basic design of transaction managers is that there
is a message queue manager which stacks messages until
a transaction becomes idle so it can handle the message.

The transaction would read one message, process it, and
then send a message back to the user (i.e terminal). So
the wait for user action is not tied to any running 
transaction. There is a way to program transactions that
is called Wait-For-Input transactions: Once they are 
finished with one transaction, they don't end but read
the next input message from the message queue (which 
probably comes from another user). 

IMS was designed to run multiple transaction regions
called message processing regions (MPP). Each MPP was 
running only one transaction at a time. The IMS controller
dispatched the correct transaction for the next message
to the next free MPP.

CICS was originally designed to be a single address 
space multi user transaction manager. Therefore CICS
had multiple tasks running in one region: terminal
input / output, queue manager, db access, transaction 
dispatcher, etc, but there was only one transaction 
related MVS-task. The CICS transaction dispatcher
schedules the transactions for the messages to be
worked onto that task one after the other. 

If an IMS transaction incurs a WAIT, only that 
MPP was waiting, the other MPPs continued to run.
If a CICS transaction incurs a WAIT the whole
transaction processing is blocked.

CICS has evolved much and is running wiith multiple
address spaces and even multiple transaction tasks
nowadays.

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Re: REXX to delete all members of a PDS... serverpac CPPEDELM

2010-01-28 Thread Victor Gil
Feeling obligated to expose the original author I've rediscovered the source -

http://www.mainframesupport.dk/tips/tip0344.html

and so the author's name is Claus E. Mikkelsen.

His website has also tons of other useful tips, so thank YOU very much, Claus!

-Victor-

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:06:36 -0700, Roger Bolan rogerbo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Victor's Rexx works fine.  I just tested it.  On my system there is a PDS
utility installed, and this also works.  I just tested it from a batch TSO
job:
//TSO  EXEC  PGM=IKJEFT01
//SYSTSPRT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSTSIN  DD  *
PDS 'BOLAN.JUNK.JCL'
FIX RESET
/*


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Stocker, Herman 
herman.stoc...@avisbudget.com wrote:

 Very nice Victor.  Thank you.
 Regards,

 Herman Stocker

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db2-l having problems?

2010-01-28 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Has anyone received any new messages on the db2-l listserv?  I don't see 
anything since 1/26, and when I attempted to post a new message it bounced back 
to me.

Frank

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Re: db2-l having problems?

2010-01-28 Thread McLaren Phil
Frank - same here, also checked the DB2-L archives and nothing in there since 
the 26th either.

I think it's having a bad couple of days

Phil

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anything since 1/26, and when I attempted to post a new message it bounced back 
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Re: why compression costs additional I/O?

2010-01-28 Thread Bill Fairchild
Pawel,

You should inform the vendor of DFSORT that using BSAM is not a good idea and 
see if any other sort vendors do a better job of handling compressed data if it 
is important enough in your shop.  Since BSAM uses EXCP internally, BSAM is 
evidently building channel programs that are less efficient given the exact 
combination of hardware involved.  Anything that BSAM does badly can be redone 
with a more judicious use of EXCP.  Also FICON with non-MIDAW channel programs 
may be exacerbating the problem of too many EXCPs as well.  Perhaps it's time 
that DFSORT, presumably a strategic product, began using a strategic access 
method like Media Manager or even STARTIO.

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Pawel Leszczynski
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:23 AM
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Subject: Re: why compression costs additional I/O?

Hi Yifat,

Thanks for answer - you are right! - I 've checked in joblog:

for compressed output:

 0 SORTOUT  : BSAM USED

but for non-compressed output:

SORTOUT  : EXCP USED 

generally all of it probably mean that using DFSORT for compressed datasets is
not good idea.

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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee
 
 On 28 Jan 2010 07:34:29 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
 Steve) wrote:
 
 Invalid PIN number; please re-enter
 
 Personal Identification Number Number?

Usually seen on an Automated Teller Machine machine; probably at the
Department of Redundancy Department.

 At least this is working communication - unlike trying to guess what
 is meant by 12:00 PM.

Days have 24 hours; why not clocks?

   -jc-

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Re: IPCS Start-up issue

2010-01-28 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip--


Rick,

Have you tried opening a PMR with IPCS support?   


How exactly are you trying to start it?  From the i...@390u panel
or home grown option?  


Btw, that panel selection option uses

  CMD(BLSCLIBD) NEWAPPL(BLSG) PASSLIB SCRNAME(IPCS)

Are the libraries pre-allocated or are you doing
 TSO EX 'SYS1.SBLSCLI0(BLSCLIBD)'   ?  


Do the library names in that exec and in SYS1.SBLSCLI0(BLSCALTL)
match your environment?
 


unsnip---
Opening a PMR is out of the question (internal politics and economics.)

Looking into the information you provide here, Mark. We're (I'm) trying 
to start it from the ISPF panel. Not sure if necessary datasets are 
being allocated, but I THOUGHT I covered all the bases.


Thanks for the pointer(s).

Rick

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Re: DO NOT CLICK ON LINK FROM JOSEPH POON

2010-01-28 Thread Bill Fairchild
I prefer my rule of thumb:  do not click on link, or even bother opening, an 
IBM-MAIN post with no subject.

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Re: PSF and Postnet on a 6500 printer

2010-01-28 Thread Dazzo, Matt
We do have a IBM 6500, PSF over TCPIP printing bar code but I'm sure what kind 
of bar code. I did not work on the project so it's doubtful how much useful 
information I could provide. If you want to try some questions off line that 
would be fine, I can always poke around and see what I find. Matt  

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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: PSF and Postnet on a 6500 printer

I am having trouble printing a Postnet barcode using PSF on a 6500 printer.  
The printer says it supports Postnet and PSF has a font (X0BPBN) in the 
fontlib, but I'm having a difficult time getting everything to mesh.  The 6500 
printer has IPDS and we are using the printer as a replacement for the old 
4248 line printers, printing from JES2.

Has anyone been able to do this?

Thanks.
Jim

 

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Re: connection time out and TSU still running

2010-01-28 Thread Hal Merritt
I assume the time out is network or client based. If so, the disconnect is not 
being sent to the host. The host is blissfully waiting with no idea the client 
is gone.  

Until the normal host time out, I don't know of any recourse other than a 
manual operator cancel, permit reconnect, or lengthen the network/client 
timeout to be longer than the host timeout. 




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Subject: connection time out and TSU still running

hi,
i came across a strange problem only for one of the TSO users
when the connection time out reached, the user don't get the main TSO screen
and the screen where he was before still shown . then when he press a key,he
get
 the Xsystem down in thePCOM session until the main screen appears again
then the user address space continue and he can't logon ( the reconnect
action is disable - and i like to keep it that way) .

.so he need to ask me every time to cancel his user

do you have any idea?

thank ahead
matan cohen

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Re: Conflicting PCI Requirements - TLS FTP

2010-01-28 Thread Scott
FTPS is PCI compliant.  I do, however, strongly suggest using the sftp
software that Kirk's company (Dovetailed) provides.  Yet again, he won't go
on the marketing offensive--so I will :)  If you frequently exchange data
with outside vendors... You'll benefit from having an sftp solution.

Scott

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

 Sure, FTPS (FTP with TLS) is a PITA WRT firewalls and NAT routers, but
 as Scott mentioned, there are elaborate hacks and tweaks that can
 usually make it work.   If you can get one of these to work, why would
 that be a violation of PCI?

 As an alternative to FTPS, you might consider:

 1) SSH/SFTP  - a single encrypted socket that works fine with
 firewalls and NAT routers.

 2) Regular FTP over an SSH Tunnel/Proxy
 See:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol#FTP_over_SSH_.28not_SFTP.29
 or: http://dovetail.com/products/ftpsshproxy.html

 Kirk Wolf
 Dovetailed Technologies
 http://dovetail.com

 PS A recording and slides of a recent Webinar on z/OS SFTP (and
 comparisons with FTPS)
 are available on our homepage.

 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:06 PM, P S zosw...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com
 wrote:
 
  We are stuck. There is a PCI requirement to NAT all access, but that's
 not
  possible when TLS/FTP is used.
 
 
  Right. You really can't use FTP and be PCI-compliant, is my
 understanding.
 
  What's the actual problem you're trying to solve? I know, you weren't
  planning on rearchitecting the whole thing, but...
 
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Re: Job Openings At IBM In Dubuque Iowa

2010-01-28 Thread Scott
Sorry :(  My sarcasm/humor was a bit much.  I'll tone it down.

Scott

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Arthur Gutowski aguto...@ford.com wrote:

 Agreed, particularly since this is not the first offense.

 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:28:07 -0600, Blaicher, Chris
 chris_blaic...@bmc.com wrote:

 I am certainly no prude, and I swear like a sailor, but I refrain from
 doing so
 on a public forum.
 
 I have seen plenty of irate rants about any number of things, but they
 were
 done, generally, with some amount of restraint.
 
 I think Scott got caught up in some personal emotions, but that said, he
 should offer an apology to the list or he should be taken off the list.
 
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 Subject: Re: Job Openings At IBM In Dubuque Iowa
 
 Oh hey, so is the pay rate still $20?  Because while I love reading IBM
 manuals, I really only wish my pay rate were dramatically slashed, when
 enduring such trauma.  Nothing spells GOTCHA like (deleted)
 
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Re: Replacing IBM 3745

2010-01-28 Thread Natarajan Mohan
Philip,
 
when you say cisco router, what router in specific?
 
Natarajan

 On 1/27/2010 at 9:17 PM, in message 
 listserv%201001272317599791.0...@bama.ua.edu, Philip Chan 
 philipc...@hkex.com.hk wrote:
In z/OS environment, is there anyone has the experience of connecting 
Remote 3174 to Cisco router to support CICS printing? 



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SMS Compression - Software or Hardware

2010-01-28 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
If a Dataclass with the following attributes is invoked:

Data Set Name Type  . . . . . : EXTENDED
  If Extended . . . . . . . . : REQUIRED
  Extended Addressability . . : YES 
  Record Access Bias  . . . . : USER
Space Constraint Relief . . . : YES 
  Reduce Space Up To (%)  . . : 50  
  Dynamic Volume Count  . . . : 20  
Compaction  . . . . . . . . . : YES 

Is the resulting compaction software or hardware driven?

I toild my user software, just want to confirm or correct. The ISMF panels 
weren't much help. Neither is the 1.9 DFSMS Storage Administration Reference. 
Not sure where else to look. 

Thank You,
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 NIH Contractor

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Re: DO NOT CLICK ON LINK FROM JOSEPH POON

2010-01-28 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
I agree.  
Delete mail without subject.
Don't follow blind links.
I also delete mail with meaningless subjects.
Give people enough info in the subject to know what it is about.


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IEF287I NOT CTLGD 2

2010-01-28 Thread Staller, Allan
ISTR an option in DFSMS to allow recataloging instead of generating
message IEF287I. Does anyone remember what option that is and where it
is specified?

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Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Hawkins
David,

SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where
decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it.

Ron

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 Subject: [IBM-MAIN] SMS Compression - Software or Hardware
 
 If a Dataclass with the following attributes is invoked:
 
 Data Set Name Type  . . . . . : EXTENDED
   If Extended . . . . . . . . : REQUIRED
   Extended Addressability . . : YES
   Record Access Bias  . . . . : USER
 Space Constraint Relief . . . : YES
   Reduce Space Up To (%)  . . : 50
   Dynamic Volume Count  . . . : 20
 Compaction  . . . . . . . . . : YES
 
 Is the resulting compaction software or hardware driven?
 
 I toild my user software, just want to confirm or correct. The ISMF panels
 weren't much help. Neither is the 1.9 DFSMS Storage Administration
Reference.
 Not sure where else to look.
 
 Thank You,
 Dave O'Brien
  NIH Contractor
 
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Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware

2010-01-28 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Thanks Ron

Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

From: Ron Hawkins [ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:51 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware

David,

SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where
decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it.

Ron

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 If a Dataclass with the following attributes is invoked:

 Data Set Name Type  . . . . . : EXTENDED
   If Extended . . . . . . . . : REQUIRED
   Extended Addressability . . : YES
   Record Access Bias  . . . . : USER
 Space Constraint Relief . . . : YES
   Reduce Space Up To (%)  . . : 50
   Dynamic Volume Count  . . . : 20
 Compaction  . . . . . . . . . : YES

 Is the resulting compaction software or hardware driven?

 I toild my user software, just want to confirm or correct. The ISMF panels
 weren't much help. Neither is the 1.9 DFSMS Storage Administration
Reference.
 Not sure where else to look.

 Thank You,
 Dave O'Brien
  NIH Contractor

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Re: IEF287I NOT CTLGD 2

2010-01-28 Thread John Kington
Alan,

ISTR an option in DFSMS to allow recataloging instead of generating
message IEF287I. Does anyone remember what option that is and where it
is specified?

I think this is one of the few functions of Stopx37 and its ilk that SMS does 
not handle.
If anyone knows that I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

Regards,
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Re: IEF287I NOT CTLGD 2

2010-01-28 Thread Spencer, Mike
DFSMS does not handle NOT CATLG2 situations for SMS or non-SMS managed data 
sets.  Non-SMS data sets will receive the IEF287I NOT CATLG2 message, resulting 
in a duplicate uncataloged entry for the new allocation request, while a JCL 
error and allocation failure is given for SMS managed data sets.

Mike Spencer
BMC Software

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Subject: IEF287I NOT CTLGD 2

ISTR an option in DFSMS to allow recataloging instead of generating
message IEF287I. Does anyone remember what option that is and where it
is specified?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: IEF287I NOT CTLGD 2

2010-01-28 Thread Staller, Allan
Thanks to all that replied. I must have had a senior moment.

snip
ISTR an option in DFSMS to allow recataloging instead of generating
message IEF287I. Does anyone remember what option that is and where it
is specified?
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Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups

2010-01-28 Thread J R
Ron,  

I'm perplexed.  I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, 
using the email interface only when posting.  

In general, this works well for me.  However, just recently, 
posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone 
quotes them.  

Any idea why?  

Enquiring minds want to know.  


 

 

 
 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:51:41 -0800
 From: ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 
 David,
 
 SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where
 decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it.
 
 Ron
 
  
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Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups

2010-01-28 Thread Arthur T.
On 28 Jan 2010 11:46:49 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:blu137-w226dc0c084578fb0fd248fa3...@phx.gbl) 
jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) wrote:

Ron,

I'm perplexed.  I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, 
using the email interface only when posting.


In general, this works well for me.  However, just 
recently, posts from your good self are not showing up 
unless someone quotes them.


Any idea why?


 The problem is not with Google Groups.  It appears 
that some posts are not making it to Usenet.


 What's odd is that recently this happened in at least 
one other newsgroup (comp.risks).  Some posts are not 
making it through the mirrors to Usenet.  I doubt that 
there is anything odd in Ron's post; he's a victim, too.



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Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware

2010-01-28 Thread Mike Bell
There are 2 kinds of compression.
The outboard kind that takes place in the tape unit is one example.
there is no difference in the z.os cpu time for writing a compressed
tape.

the operating system kind which is always software.
the software compression can be either just software or hardware
assisted software.
the case for SMS is that it is hardware assisted software.  this means
that the cpu used is much less than normal software compression but it
does affect z.os cpu time.
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Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups

2010-01-28 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ibmm...@intergate.com (Arthur T.) writes:
  The problem is not with Google Groups.  It appears that some
 posts are not making it to Usenet.

  What's odd is that recently this happened in at least one other
 newsgroup (comp.risks).  Some posts are not making it through the
 mirrors to Usenet.  I doubt that there is anything odd in Ron's post;
 he's a victim, too.

initially I first thot it was the usenet service I was using ...
i.e. after I double posted:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#99 The Naked Mainframe (Forbes 
Security Article) 

then followup 
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#100 The Naked Mainframe (Forbes 
Security Article) 

when I checked  found the posts were showing up in ibm-main archive
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Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Hawkins
No idea.

 -Original Message-
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Behalf Of
 J R
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 Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
 
 Ron,
 
 I'm perplexed.  I use google groups to monitor ibm-main,
 using the email interface only when posting.
 
 In general, this works well for me.  However, just recently,
 posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone
 quotes them.
 
 Any idea why?
 
 Enquiring minds want to know.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:51:41 -0800
  From: ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net
  Subject: Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware
  To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 
  David,
 
  SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where
  decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it.
 
  Ron
 
 
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Re: z/os library center

2010-01-28 Thread Todd Last
The Library Center is not working for me either.  Just got a new Java update 
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Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups

2010-01-28 Thread J R
While on the subject of google groups for ibm-main, posts from 
Lynn Wheeler seem to show up in duplicate.  


 

 


 
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Re: The Incredible Shrinking PDSE

2010-01-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Also, there are many issues with non-SMS PDSE's.

Care to elaborate on what you think those issues are?


There is the buffering/potential corruption of shared PDSE's.
The 100's of PTF's that came out a few years ago.
And, the separate code streams to manage them within and without SMS.

Aside from those, nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I was a big fan of them when they first came out.
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Re: Re : Extracting STDOUT data from USS

2010-01-28 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:58:24 -0600 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
wrote:

:My naive understanding of the OS/360 multiprocessing
:paradigm is that when one unit of work WAITs, another
:is dispatched.  How does CICS manage to subvert this?
:Why was it ever allowed?

:What happens when a CICS transaction must do something
:like:

:Invalid PIN number; please re-enter

:???  Does that spawn a separate transaction?

One issues a CICS wait. With an ECB. That returns control to the CICS
dispatcher.

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Re: The Incredible Shrinking PDSE

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:34:53 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Also, there are many issues with non-SMS PDSE's.

Care to elaborate on what you think those issues are?


There is the buffering/potential corruption of shared PDSE's.

Nothing to do with SMS vs. NON-SMS PDSE.

The 100's of PTF's that came out a few years ago.

Nothing to do with SMS vs. NON-SMS PDSE.   There have been many
PTFS, but you can say that for any component (how about SMSVSAM
for example).  The actual support for non-SMS PDSE was only a few
PTFs.

And, the separate code streams to manage them within and without SMS.


Only IBM can answer that,  if there is some specific dual path code for
PDSE to check if it is SMS managed or not, I still don't see that as
an issue.  The OS is full of dual code paths for various reasons and
that doesn't make it a issue.

Large parts of the OS are delivered and run from non-SMS PDSE these
days.  How much of an issue can it be?

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Re: trace table overhead

2010-01-28 Thread Thompson, Steve
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM
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Subject: trace table overhead

Is there a general ballpark figure for the # of instructions it takes to
write an entry to the trace table?  I am curious about the general case
of a
(for example) SVC 78 GETMAIN ENTRY.

It seems that the number of instructions could vary based on which type
of
entry is being written, as some entries contain more data than others.

SNIP

Taking a SWAG, I would look at the FLIH (SVC, PGM, IO, EXT, MCH, etc.)
routines. 

So for the case of the Interrupt driven entries, there would be a
STCK[E], capture of the PSATOLD, REGs, PSW, etc., then the load of the
64bit address (since the CPU trace buffers are now above the bar) and
then more than likely a CSG for the entry/slot available, and then the
MOVE of the info into the slot. 

For the branch entry / PC type, the individual system routines would be
responsible for collecting the data and making those entries. 

As you surmised, some entries take more code than others.

Now here is a question for this area:

A PC is done for a system service. Shortly after this instruction
completes, an EXT 'rupt takes place (time slice end). When does the
STCK[E] get done, or does it matter that an entry is not in time order?

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Re: trace table overhead

2010-01-28 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:09:33 -0500 Thompson, Steve
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:

:-Original Message-
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:Behalf Of Paul Schuster
:Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM
:To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:Subject: trace table overhead
:
:Is there a general ballpark figure for the # of instructions it takes to
:write an entry to the trace table?  I am curious about the general case
:of a
:(for example) SVC 78 GETMAIN ENTRY.
:
:It seems that the number of instructions could vary based on which type
:of
:entry is being written, as some entries contain more data than others.

:Taking a SWAG, I would look at the FLIH (SVC, PGM, IO, EXT, MCH, etc.)
:routines. 

:So for the case of the Interrupt driven entries, there would be a
:STCK[E], capture of the PSATOLD, REGs, PSW, etc., then the load of the
:64bit address (since the CPU trace buffers are now above the bar) and
:then more than likely a CSG for the entry/slot available, and then the
:MOVE of the info into the slot. 

:For the branch entry / PC type, the individual system routines would be
:responsible for collecting the data and making those entries. 

:As you surmised, some entries take more code than others.

:Now here is a question for this area:

:A PC is done for a system service. Shortly after this instruction
:completes, an EXT 'rupt takes place (time slice end). When does the
:STCK[E] get done, or does it matter that an entry is not in time order?

Why wouldn't they use the TRACE opcode?

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Re: trace table overhead

2010-01-28 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:20 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: trace table overhead

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:09:33 -0500 Thompson, Steve
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:

:-Original Message-
:From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
:Behalf Of Paul Schuster
:Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM
:To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:Subject: trace table overhead
:
:Is there a general ballpark figure for the # of instructions it takes
to
:write an entry to the trace table?  I am curious about the general
case
:of a
:(for example) SVC 78 GETMAIN ENTRY.
:
:It seems that the number of instructions could vary based on which
type
:of
:entry is being written, as some entries contain more data than others.

:Taking a SWAG, I would look at the FLIH (SVC, PGM, IO, EXT, MCH, etc.)
:routines. 

:So for the case of the Interrupt driven entries, there would be a
:STCK[E], capture of the PSATOLD, REGs, PSW, etc., then the load of the
:64bit address (since the CPU trace buffers are now above the bar) and
:then more than likely a CSG for the entry/slot available, and then the
:MOVE of the info into the slot. 

:For the branch entry / PC type, the individual system routines would
be
:responsible for collecting the data and making those entries. 

:As you surmised, some entries take more code than others.

:Now here is a question for this area:

:A PC is done for a system service. Shortly after this instruction
:completes, an EXT 'rupt takes place (time slice end). When does the
:STCK[E] get done, or does it matter that an entry is not in time
order?

Why wouldn't they use the TRACE opcode?
SNIP

Because they hadn't done any homework yet.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Top Secret to RACF - Institution Defined Data

2010-01-28 Thread Frank Swarbrick
In addition to migrating to z/OS from VSE we are also migrating from CA-Top 
Secret to RACF.

Currently in Top Secret each user has some institution defined data that we 
use for various things.  There is a call interface called TSSCAI that we can 
call from Cobol programs to retrieve this data.  While RACF appears to have 
institution defined data I can't for the life of me figure out how to extract 
it from a Cobol program.  Can someone point me in the right direction?  I'm 
hoping the answer is not the RACROUTE macro, because I like to avoid assembler 
like the plague, but...

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Re: z/os library center

2010-01-28 Thread Roger Bolan
I think somebody said at SHARE that Library Centers were being phased out in
favor of Information Centers.
Try z/OS V1R11 Information
Centerhttp://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r11/index.jsp

and I can understand why.  The Library Center works for me but is much less
responsive than the Information Center.

Most of the time I use the  Softcopy Librarian for Windows Version
4.3http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?doc=4000640org=SWrs=4to
keep the bookshelves on my PC up to date and search and read with
Softcopy Reader Shelf Organizer.

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 The Library Center is not working for me either.  Just got a new Java
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Re: IPCS Start-up issue

2010-01-28 Thread Roger Bolan
That error says: Processing unsuccessful; the IKJURPS service was invoked in
an environment in which the TSO/E TMP cannot process an IKJURPS request. For
example, during LOGON processing.
See
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r9.ikjb700/inurp.htm

This talks about environments it can't work in:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r9.ikjb700/ikj4b760397
.

The first parameter is a pointer to an Environment Control Table (ECT).
Maybe there is something wrong with your first parameter, or the ECT to
which it points.

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:

 -snip--


  Rick,

 Have you tried opening a PMR with IPCS support?
 How exactly are you trying to start it?  From the i...@390u panel
 or home grown option?
 Btw, that panel selection option uses

  CMD(BLSCLIBD) NEWAPPL(BLSG) PASSLIB SCRNAME(IPCS)

 Are the libraries pre-allocated or are you doing
  TSO EX 'SYS1.SBLSCLI0(BLSCLIBD)'   ?
 Do the library names in that exec and in SYS1.SBLSCLI0(BLSCALTL)
 match your environment?


 unsnip---
 Opening a PMR is out of the question (internal politics and economics.)

 Looking into the information you provide here, Mark. We're (I'm) trying to
 start it from the ISPF panel. Not sure if necessary datasets are being
 allocated, but I THOUGHT I covered all the bases.

 Thanks for the pointer(s).

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Re: Replacing IBM 3745

2010-01-28 Thread Philip Chan
Hi Chris, 

Thanks for advice, I already known this is not a permanent solution. The 
direction should be used IBM InfoPrint with IP Printway for TCPIP printer 
support. This configuration may be unusual to most of the companies. In fact, 
the SNA printing is not only for CICS but also JES reports. I mentioned CICS 
because we only use it for CICS printing and I have already tested plugging 
remote 3174 to Cisco router and the printing seems to be working fine and the 
link is quite stable. The CIsco router model is 2811 in this testing and 
according to the Cisco Vendor,  it is running the same protocol discarding the 
router model. That's why I am asking if anybody running similiar config or 
encounter any problem with this. 

Rgds,
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Re: Replacing IBM 3745

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Mason
Philip

Your English is good but I'm afraid it is superficially so. You should discuss 
your 
posts with someone who is a better English speaker in order to avoid 
problems. I can make no sense at all of the following sentence:

 The Cisco router model is 2811 in this testing and according to the Cisco 
Vendor, it is running the same protocol discarding the router model.

I cannot divine what you might mean by discarding the router model.[1]

However, taking the rest of your post, I have the following comments:

 I already known this is not a permanent solution. The direction should be 
used IBM InfoPrint with IP Printway for TCPIP printer support.

Use of a concatenation of an SNA session (or JES output) to an IP printing 
protocol, RFC 1179 I believe, is actually another solution to the one I 
envisaged. I assumed - perhaps incorrectly - that your CICS transactions 
could be rewritten in order to use IP-based transport directly from CICS.

 This configuration may be unusual to most of the companies.

I see you have not had much of a response from this list's subscribers 
commenting on how to deal with your printing configuration. You may get a 
better response in the IBMTCP-L list since it is more focused on matters 
concerning the z/OS Communications Server IP component (and even TCP/IP 
for VM to keep Alan Altmark happy!). Here are the instructions added to every 
post:

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 In fact, the SNA printing is not only for CICS but also JES reports.

which is supported by the IBM software product you mentioned.

 I mentioned CICS because we only use it for CICS printing and I have 
already tested plugging remote 3174 to Cisco router and the printing seems to 
be working fine and the link is quite stable.

This looks like pure goodness to me. Where's the problem? I have to assume 
that plugging the remote 3174 to the Cisco router implies that you are using 
DLSw from the remote router to a local router. If a 3745 - as mentioned in 
the Subject line - is still part of the configuration, for just this 
concatenation 
of devices, you can replace the 3745 with an OSA feature. In SNA terms you 
have moved the boundary function supporting the sessions terminating in the 
3174 from NCP in the 3745 to VTAM supporting the OSA feature.

 The Cisco router model is 2811 in this testing and according to the Cisco 
Vendor, it is running the same protocol discarding the router model. That's 
why I am asking if anybody running similar config or encounter any problem 
with this.

Since I didn't understand the first sentence, I obviously can't follow 
the that's why of the second sentence. Perhaps the explanation is that you 
consider that this configuration supported by the DLSw function in the routers 
appears to be too good to be true and you feel that there may be some snags!

Chris Mason

[1] This all reminds me of a plaque in a wall, written in both Chinese and 
English, near the tourist shops by the Badaling Gate. It said something about 
the famous people who had visited the Great Wall at this most usual point for 
tourists - or statespeople in this case - from Beijing. Nixon was clear but 
who was Satchel?

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:45:39 -0600, Philip Chan philipc...@hkex.com.hk 
wrote:

Hi Chris,

Thanks for advice, I already known this is not a permanent solution. The
direction should be used IBM InfoPrint with IP Printway for TCPIP printer
support. This configuration may be unusual to most of the companies. In fact,
the SNA printing is not only for CICS but also JES reports. I mentioned CICS
because we only use it for CICS printing and I have already tested plugging
remote 3174 to Cisco router and the printing seems to be working fine and 
the
link is quite stable. The CIsco router model is 2811 in this testing and
according to the Cisco Vendor,  it is running the same protocol discarding the
router model. That's why I am asking if anybody running similiar config or
encounter any problem with this.

Rgds,
Philip

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Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware

2010-01-28 Thread Ron Hawkins
Mike,

It is the hardware assisted compression that I was referring to. There
were/are products that do software compression without using the Hardware
assist. DFSMSdss, DFSMShsm and old versions of SAS and IAM spring to mind.

Then there was the IBM G4 and G5 that moved the hardware assist to macrocode
- very, very ugly CPU Time. Started blowing batch windows and had to regress
the compression that I spent a year getting into place :-(

Ron

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 There are 2 kinds of compression.
 The outboard kind that takes place in the tape unit is one example.
 there is no difference in the z.os cpu time for writing a compressed
 tape.
 
 the operating system kind which is always software.
 the software compression can be either just software or hardware
 assisted software.
 the case for SMS is that it is hardware assisted software.  this means
 that the cpu used is much less than normal software compression but it
 does affect z.os cpu time.
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