Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread shai hess
HI,

 So, maybe it is good time to discuss more and more MFNetDisk product :.
 Because the alternative is a deep good sleeping time even in Ashdod.

There's a rumor that the most annoying
posters have left us in peace.;-)
I hope you do not point to me.

 Shai

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.comwrote:

 Or, we're the only ones left. There's a rumor that the most annoying
 posters have left us in peace.;-)


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 From:   DOWLING,Shane shane.dowl...@deewr.gov.au
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 Have a hangover from the end of the world party


 They Lied...



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 Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..

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 Wow – This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Packer
I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's 
high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern 
communications technology. I guess THIS is one of the WORST audiences to 
peddle that line to. :-) On a brighter note we don't seem to have been all 
that slow to adopt Web 1.0. (But maybe I forget...) :-)

Martin

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On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com 
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I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our
Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching
for ColeSoft.

Thank You,

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Afton, VA 22920FAX:  540-456-6658


I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site.
At least not in any obvious place.

Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional 
use?  I am seeing this more and more often.  It's fine for social purposes
but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate
networks from what I have seen. 

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Re: Logical to Physical CPU ratio (was Re: Running a SYSPLEX ...)

2011-05-23 Thread Barbara Nitz
Bottom line:  if it works and performance is acceptable, it's ok.

As a side note, I was just recently testing at a DR site with a single z196
engine
(general purpose) being shared between 3 CF LPARs (for 3 different sysplexes)
and over 15 z/OS images.  No productive work was being done, but they
were all up and running and TSO performance was still fine.

Back in March, after the big earth quake had hit Japan, we were hitting the
CPU roof on our z9 to the point of NOT meeting the SLAs anymore (the box was
running at 100% for 12 hours or more). We are routinely running 3:1 or even
3.5:1 logical to physical ratio on general CPs, and lpar overhead is in the
2%-of-the-box range. We used CooD (or whatever it is called these days) to
add one physical processor, and *that* made all the difference. All of a
sudden the ratio wasn't as bad anymore, and we managed to meet the SLAs. Of
course the bosses were afraid, so for 24 hours we almost doubled our MSUs by
having another physical CP, and the box wasn't limited in the general CP
capacity anymore. 
I was told that most of the vendors (including IBM) want A LOT of money for
those 48 hours!

And I shudder to think if (hopefully when) we finally go z196: They will be
taking away another general CP, maybe two. My preaching to reduce lpars
falls on deaf ears. That'll leave us with a maybe 5:1 or worse ratio. :-(

Barbara Nitz

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z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread John McKown
It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane. But I'm
wondering if anybody knows of an __easy__ way to send z/OS SYSLOG
messages to the UNIX syslog daemon? Sending the UNIX syslog daemon
output to the z/OS SYSLOG is simple - log to the /dev/console UNIX
file.

What has occurred to me is write a subsystem and get WTO/WTOR messages
directed to it via SSI function code 9:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2F280/6.1.3
but this is not __easy___. It may be one of the better ways, but is
likely also one of the most difficult.

Another possibility that occurred to me is to take the sample IEATOPS
REXX program and modify it so that it runs as an STC and simply relays
the lines it receives via the TSO/E CONSOLE getmsg function to the
(local or remote) UNIX syslog via TCPIP. But this means using RXSOCKETS.
Which is not easy. Not super difficult, but I'm not familiar with it.

We don't have the C compiler licensed, so using it is not a possibility.
I have read that it is possible to use the C subroutines in COBOL. That
might make using the C language support for the UNIX syslog available.
But the rest of the coding would be difficult in COBOL.


Why do I want such a thing? (1) insanity; (2) an equivalent of an
operlog like facility on a basic sysplex or between differing parallel
sysplexes; (3) to send the z/OS SYSLOG to a UNIX platform for analysis.
One possible problem/issue/stupid thing to do would be to direct
the z/OS UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG while capturing
the UNIX syslog daemon output to the z/OS SYSLOG. Can you say feedback
loop?

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread John McKown
Be very, very quiet. .We're hunting wabbits!

On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 22:51 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:
 Wow – This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.
 
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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread Shane
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:33 -0500 John McKown wrote:

 It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane.

s/[[:space:]]+likely//

;-)

Shane ...

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
maybe not.  maybe it really did happen.  that's why it is quiet.

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 7:15 AM
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Have a hangover from the end of the world party


They Lied...



Shane


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Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
Scott J Ford
 





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Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 10:51:55 PM
Subject: It got very quiet

Wow – This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

Lizette

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Packer
... and there's no need to shout. :-)

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Re: get the DSCB with REXX.

2011-05-23 Thread MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI
Hi,

These is the data we get thru the assembler macro :

SALIDA   DS0CL141 
SAVOLDSCL6 VOLUME
SAUNIT   DSCL8 UNIT (3350,3330V,TSODA,... 
SADSNDSCL44DSNAME 
SAORGDSCL2 ORG (PO,PS,VS,...)   
SARECFM  DSCL3 RECORD FORMAT (F,V,U,S,B,...)
SALRECL  DSCL3 LRECL
SABLKDSCL3 BLKSIZE 
SAEXTDSCL2 OCUPIED EXTENTS 
SASECDSCL1 SECONDARY SPACE ? *=YES  
SATRKDSCL3 USED TRACKS 
SATPCDSCL2 OCUPIED PERCENT 
SAFECDSCL3 CREATION DATE 
SAPASS   DSCL1 PASSWORD PROTECTED 
SARACF   DSCL1 RACF PROTECTED 
SAINDUPD DSCL1 UPDATE OPEN FLAG 
SAFECREF DSCL3 LAST REFERRED DATE
SASECTPC DSCL4 SECONDARY ASIGNED TYPE-QTY 
SAFECEXP DSCL3 EXPIRATION DATE 
SAVOLSQ  DSCL4 VOLSEQ 
SARESDSCL20RESERVED  
SAUCBDSCL4 UCB ADDR  
SADIRBLK DSCL3 DIRECTORY BLOCKS (PO)   
SAOCUPA  DSCL3 VOLUME OCUP %
SATPDIS  DSCL3 TRACK SIZE IN DEV 
SAERRDSCL10ERRORS 


Also i have been looking for the REXX LISTDSI, maybe it could help me to obtain 
some of these values. 

Best regards


Enrique Montero

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread John McKown
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 09:33 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
 maybe not.  maybe it really did happen.  that's why it is quiet.

Nope. I'm still here. And I'm going. I'm certain. But that'd be
off-topic.

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ShopZ

2011-05-23 Thread Bob Shannon
ShopZ was down all day yesterday and is still unavailable this morning. It 
looks like it will be a while:


ShopzSeries is temporarily unavailable for maintenance.

ShopzSeries is scheduled to resume normal operations by Saturday, October 24th 
at 12:00 AM MDT / 06:00 GMT.

Bob Shannon

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
 Scott Ford
 
 Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
 Scott J Ford


 I had actually thought that zombies had gotten most of us.  After all - it was 
supposed to be the zombie Apocalypse weekend.

Lizette

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread shai hess
I am happy to see strong energy with this subject It got very quiet.
At least we have energy when we are dealing with non MF issues.
Next issue can be to marry or to die.
I am sure that this forum will be active at least as my pupular forum here
in Ashdod how to make falafel.

Shai

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote:

  -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of
  Scott Ford
 
  Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
  Scott J Ford
 

  I had actually thought that zombies had gotten most of us.  After all - it
 was supposed to be the zombie Apocalypse weekend.

 Lizette

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Liberatore
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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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maybe not.  maybe it really did happen.  that's why it is quiet.

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 7:15 AM
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Have a hangover from the end of the world party


They Lied...



Shane


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Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
Scott J Ford
 





From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com
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Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 10:51:55 PM
Subject: It got very quiet

Wow – This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

Lizette

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
 
 On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com
wrote:
 
 I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our
 Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching
 for ColeSoft.
 
 Thank You,
 
 Dave Cole  REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com
 ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com
 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536
 Afton, VA 22920FAX:  540-456-6658
 
 
 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web
site.
 At least not in any obvious place.
 
 Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional
 use?  I am seeing this more and more often.  It's fine for social
purposes
 but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate
 networks from what I have seen.

Indeed.  AFAIK, we don't twitter, either.

But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway).

-jc-

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
 
 Wow - This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

I thought my perception of that was due to having plonked Mr. Mason.

-jc-

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of DOWLING,Shane
 
 Have a hangover from the end of the world party
 
 
 They Lied...

How do you know the world we knew last week didn't end, and we just 
transferred to a parallel universe?  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Packer
So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John. :-)

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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
 
 On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com
wrote:
 
 I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our
 Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching
 for ColeSoft.
 
 Thank You,
 
 Dave Cole  REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com
 ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com
 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536
 Afton, VA 22920FAX:  540-456-6658
 
 
 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web
site.
 At least not in any obvious place.
 
 Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional
 use?  I am seeing this more and more often.  It's fine for social
purposes
 but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate
 networks from what I have seen.

Indeed.  AFAIK, we don't twitter, either.

But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway).

-jc-

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Re: ShopZ

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Shannon
 
 ShopZ was down all day yesterday and is still unavailable this
morning. It looks like it will be a
 while:
 
 
 ShopzSeries is temporarily unavailable for maintenance.
 
 ShopzSeries is scheduled to resume normal operations by Saturday,
October 24th at 12:00 AM MDT / 06:00
 GMT.

Dang!

Guess it'll be a while before we update our z/OS UNIX Ported Tools.  :-)

-jc-

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Re: A Warning to Anyone Servicing z/OSMF

2011-05-23 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Ed, 
Do you have the specific ptf that had that hold? I ask because I just ran an
applycheck for everything for wasoem and z/osmf, and only got one hold, on
UK66412. It could be that I'm at a higher level than you, but I just want to
verify. 

Thanks!
MA

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Martin Packer
 
 So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John.
:-)

I've already given notice.  :-)  

I'm planning to retire in May of 2014 (if I live that long).

-jc-

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:37:18 +1000, Shane wrote:

Facebook ... professional - interesting juxtaposition Mark.
I'm also not a customer (would love to have a play as I've said before)
- this info would make more sense (IMHO) announced and linked
(internally) off the homepage rather than hidden unannounced in a txt
file for the applicable release under Support - z/XDC - Maintenance.
And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down
company announcements.

I agree.  I'm not a z/XDC customer either, but if I was I would consider 
this to be a problem.  I do not use Facebook and I have no intention to 
do so.  Some things that have occurred with respect to the way they 
handle their user's private data is quite disturbing to me.

Colesoft has a web site.  IMO it makes more sense to put the product 
announcement there and include a link to it on the Facebook page.

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Re: A Warning to Anyone Servicing z/OSMF

2011-05-23 Thread Carson, Brad
Ed and Barbara,

Yes, this is one of those hidden features you get with updating WASOEM or 
z/OSMF.  Besides having SMPPTS entries that are larger than those for JAVA, 
applying then will very nicely wipe out your configuration files.  When 
applying this maintenance, I create a clone filesystem to hold all the config 
files.  Then I can just pull them back over after the apply is complete and I 
have a chance to see what has happened to the target filesystem.

Always fun when dealing with products that don't fully understand how SMPE can 
work for you.  Everyone is trying to use the One size fits all format in a 
tailored world.  Doesn't really work too good does it?


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Laboratory Corporation of America
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Subject: Re: A Warning to Anyone Servicing z/OSMF

 A few months ago, we brought up z/OSMF under z/OS 1.12. Applying
 service this weekend made it totally unusable. It turns out our
 configuration files have been wiped out!
...
 I'm not sure if this is what I would necessarily call 'progress', but
 it's definitely a brave new world out there. Beware!

Uh-oh - is that Barbara I hear charging in from stage calling out
I tried to warn you all ... ?

:-)

No it's not. We haven't installed it, anyway. But I am really NOT surprised,
given how I hear my colleagues complain about WAS deploys. I even went
through a 2 day seminar on deploying this stuff under zLinux, and then I
'got' why z/OSMF deploy is a two-stage process. I consider it too awkward,
anyway.

Given that I knew WAS back when it was called 'Component Broken' (by those
that heard about it - OS/390 R6 days), I am waiting for the day when they go
back to replacing the full product every time a single ptf needs to go in
(and when they ditch SMP/E :-) ). Now *THAT* will be fun for z/OS! NOT.

I do appreciate Eds warning, though, and will gleefully relate it to anyone
here who might have wanted to 'test' z/OSMF, despite my dire warnigns :-)

Barbara

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Scott Ford
Yeah, 6pm came and went on May 21st, we are still here. I hope no one there got 
caught in the Tornadoes, grew up in Tornado Alley most of my life
 
Scott J Ford
 





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 Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
 Scott J Ford


I had actually thought that zombies had gotten most of us.  After all - it was 
supposed to be the zombie Apocalypse weekend.

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Re: get the DSCB with REXX.

2011-05-23 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
Hi.
LISTDSI works only under TSO, if you want to trap same msgs(and more) you
can also use Storage function to surf MVS Data Area with swareq pointing to
jfcb and subfields.
Used properly allows a perfect usage of jcl info.

Regards,
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Re: A Warning to Anyone Servicing z/OSMF

2011-05-23 Thread Jousma, David
Since it appears that the config files must live in SMPE managed
filesystems, it would seem like you need to make your config files a
usermod so that they are not lost.I already do something like this
for the required JAVA filesystem changes that are necessary for tape
encryption.

Usermod would then just reload your config files after the application
of the maintenance.  Only other alternative would be to externalize the
config files to /etc, if that is even possible.   I am not running
z/OSMF yet.

_
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Ed and Barbara,

Yes, this is one of those hidden features you get with updating WASOEM
or z/OSMF.  Besides having SMPPTS entries that are larger than those for
JAVA, applying then will very nicely wipe out your configuration files.
When applying this maintenance, I create a clone filesystem to hold all
the config files.  Then I can just pull them back over after the apply
is complete and I have a chance to see what has happened to the target
filesystem.

Always fun when dealing with products that don't fully understand how
SMPE can work for you.  Everyone is trying to use the One size fits
all format in a tailored world.  Doesn't really work too good does it?


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Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC

2011-05-23 Thread Jeff Holst
Is this information also on your web site? Some of us have corporate policies 
against accessing social networking sites frmo our work computers.

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:46:41 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
wrote:

I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's
high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern
communications technology. I guess THIS is one of the WORST audiences to
peddle that line to. :-) On a brighter note we don't seem to have been all
that slow to adopt Web 1.0. (But maybe I forget...) :-)

Martin

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Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM


To be honest, I totally support any corporation's desire to lock out facebook
from the office.  Personal / web email sites is another story, but there is
little professional value in the way people use facebook today.  By
definition, it is primarily used for networking with friends, not professional
contacts. You're posts are an exception.  

Using modern communications like Facebook is a good thing.  My current
employer recognizes that and has their own social media web site where
employees can collaborate, create and join groups etc.  Most other
corporate landing sites have moved to this social web site also now.  But you
won't find people discussing what movie they saw over the weekend
or what the are planning for dinner on it.

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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:33 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:

It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane.

No comment.  :-)

 But I'm
wondering if anybody knows of an __easy__ way to send z/OS SYSLOG
messages to the UNIX syslog daemon? Sending the UNIX syslog daemon
output to the z/OS SYSLOG is simple - log to the /dev/console UNIX
file.

snip

Instead of running UNIX under z/OS, I think you need to start working on
running MVS under *nix. If you start writing it now, you may have it
done before you retire.I'm sure Paul G. will be more than happy to
help.  :-)

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
So far, I haven't seen that locked out either (yet!).  But people aren't
using it
for up to the minute updates on their thoughts and activities like FB. 

The real reason it probably has not been locked out is that the management
involved that decides the policies wants to be able to get to that site
also in order to keep their resumes and business contacts up to date
for their next job too!  :-)

Mark
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On Mon, 23 May 2011 13:19:16 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
wrote:

So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John. :-)

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden

 On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com
wrote:

 I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our
 Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching
 for ColeSoft.
 
 Thank You,
 
 Dave Cole  REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com
 ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com
 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536
 Afton, VA 22920FAX:  540-456-6658
 

 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web
site.
 At least not in any obvious place.

 Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional
 use?  I am seeing this more and more often.  It's fine for social
purposes
 but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate
 networks from what I have seen.

Indeed.  AFAIK, we don't twitter, either.

But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway).

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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Ward, Mike S
Don't be sorry. I'm glad you said it. I had something happen the other day that 
really made me laugh. The ratio of System Admins to system programmers here is 
about 8 to 1. Management wanted us to start showing the admins the systems 
aspect of z/os and the z10. One of the really bright guys came over and the 
first thing he asked was when the system hangs how do I reboot it. I laughed 
out loud and explained to him that we have scheduled IPL's once a week and 
don't do reboots in the middle of the week. He really couldn't believe it.

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Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:37 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: java executables using batch

As Chris Mason and I pointed out, the manual is a pretty good 
Jags:

As Chris Mason and I pointed out, the manual is a pretty good starting point 
and 
another good reference is a lot of IBM and Share presentations.
We all will admit, no one knows all the answers, it takes 
digging/researching/experience  to find the solution. Also I might add, 
knowledge of the environment with the
help of your friendly z/OS System's Programmers. These guys and gals are the 
unspoken heroes of a lot of shops. They usually are right on the frontlines.

Sorry all for being on the soapbox, but the System Programmers( of which I was 
honored) to be among for many years, need the 'ata boys too'
 
Scott J Ford
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From: Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net
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Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 10:49:35 AM
Subject: Re: java executables using batch

Jags

I'm going to assume he would have made a similar to identical suggestion if he
had realised that JZOS was a handy hook on which to hang your enquiries.

And just about simultaneously - given the delays involved while we toil putting 
together helpful posts for you - he did!

Chris Mason

On Sat, 21 May 2011 09:41:26 -0500, Chris Mason 
chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote:

...

I'm going to assume he would have made a similar to identical suggestion if he
had realised that JZOS was a handy hook on which to hang your enquiries[3].

...

On Sat, 21 May 2011 07:39:42 -0700, Scott Ford 
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:

Jags,

Here is what Mark spoke of it took all of a 5 sec search on Google...

http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/ajvc0103.pdf

Scott J Ford

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole
Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional 
use?  I am seeing this more and more often.


Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it 
for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do 
use Facebook socially, so I (and a LOT of other people) are somewhat 
familiar with it.


Second, it is a very convenient way for us to push information and 
for interested recipients to receive that information...
   * Recipients (customers, usually but anyone actually) can opt in 
or opt out of our posts by liking or unliking (awful terms!) our 
ColeSoft page.

   * So the recipient list is self-selecting. We don't have to maintain it.
   * In fact, we do not have (and there is no way we could have) a 
complete list of people who use z/XDC and are interested in its 
developments. Our Facebook page gives such unknown people an easy way 
to stay abreast of z/XDC developments if they choose to.
   * Recipients can react to our announcements or even create their 
own postings there, so the Facebook page can also serve us as a product forum.
   * Posting information on Facebook does not require web 
programming skills, so it widens the range of people here at ColeSoft 
that can be assigned to maintain the presence.
Third, this kind of posting does not appear at our website because 
customers don't frequent colesoft.com anywhere near as much as they 
frequent social websites, especially Facebook. So only the most 
important information goes there.








But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway).


I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, 
don't know how to use LinkedIn and have no interest in learning 
LinkedIn. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a 
redundancy to Facebook. And more people use Facebook than LinkedIn, 
so why bother?







And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down 
company announcements.


About the only real information you have to give Facebook is an 
eaddress. There is nothing else that they require you to give.







I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web 
site. At least not in any obvious place.


Customers know to look in our Support area for maintenance details. 
My Facebook post contains additional prose regarding the fixes.







I'm not a z/XDC customer either, but if I was I would consider this 
to be a problem. I do not use Facebook and I have no intention to do so.


Major announcements will still find a place at our website and a 
brief mention in IBM-MAIN and ASSEMBLER-LIST.







By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with 
friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception.


Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national 
businesses have growing Facebook presences. So I don't agree that my 
posts are an exception.  After all, if half a billion people are 
on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are...


Personally, I use Facebook more to keep up with local (Nelson County) 
events than for following friends...






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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 May 2011 08:42:25 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote:

Instead of running UNIX under z/OS, I think you need to start working on
running MVS under *nix. If you start writing it now, you may have it
done before you retire.I'm sure Paul G. will be more than happy to
help.  :-)

I'll cede that to the admirable work of Don Higgins:

http://www.z390.org/

... or to the Hercules project, with which I'm even less familiar.

But I've long wondered whether more address spaces are created by
fork() or by classic job step initiation.  When/if the balance
tips to the side of fork(), it would make sense to optimize for
that, and make job step initiation the dependent function.

BTW, now that I'm following a topical thread, I'll digress that it's
ironic how much noise has been generated about how quiet IBM-MAIN
is.  Please, think before you me too!

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DB2 datasharing group

2011-05-23 Thread Micheal Butz

Hi

Would anyone know the name of the DB2 mapping macro for the following

After issuing IXCQUERY whitin QUAMEM dsect there is a field called  
QUAMUSOF which is a offset to a user state field this area contains  
the DB2 version IRLM jobname etc


I am sure it's some where in the DB2 maclib

Thanks

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Re: ShopZ

2011-05-23 Thread John McKown
I just did a fast signon and did a check on my software licenses. No
problem with that here in N. Texas.
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 11:14 +, Bob Shannon wrote:
 ShopZ was down all day yesterday and is still unavailable this morning. It 
 looks like it will be a while:
 
 
 ShopzSeries is temporarily unavailable for maintenance.
 
 ShopzSeries is scheduled to resume normal operations by Saturday, October 
 24th at 12:00 AM MDT / 06:00 GMT.
 
 Bob Shannon
 
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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:03:09 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote:




By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with
friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception.

Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national
businesses have growing Facebook presences. So I don't agree that my
posts are an exception. 

To use FB lingo,  that was @ Martin.  :-)   

And I agree, I started out by saying I was seeing this more and more.
But I think the FB presence in the overwhelming majority of those cases
are for marketing / advertising reasons, not technical support for product
offerings.  

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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 May 2011 08:53:36 -0500, Ward, Mike S wrote:

 ... we have scheduled IPL's once a week ...

Whether you need it or not?  Why?

Lingering fear of resource leaks?  Operator training?

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Re: COBOL Module Using 'EZASOKET' Calls Receiving 0C!

2011-05-23 Thread John Weber
Thanks Frank.  Scott's JCL excludes the explicit INCLUDE also.  Thanks.

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EZACICAL contains the CICS version of the EZASOKET interface.  The batch 
version is simple EZASOKET.

Try just omitting the explicit INCLUDE and let it autolink EZASOKET from 
TCPIP.SEZATCP.

Frank
 
 On 5/20/2011 at 5:09 PM, in message
0D00B6C52D003C4983CCA92922F5146B043BB25D@VA3DIAXVS671.RED001.local, John
Weber j...@fiteq.com wrote:
 All,
 
 Module HSMSOCKB is a batch COBOL module consisting of only 'EZASOKET' calls.
 
 When is submitted it receives the following error:
 
 'CEE3201S The system detected an operation exception (System Completion 
 Code=0C1)
  From compile unit HSMSOCK at entry point HSMSOCK.'
 
 It appears to be having an issue with 'inaccessible storage'.
 
 Does anything need to be included with the compile/link besides SEZATCP with 
 the link syslib and
 004000 //SYSINDD *
 004200  INCLUDE SYSLIB(EZACICAL)
 004400  NAME HSMSOCKB(R)
 With the link as well?
 
 Thank you...
 
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Re: COBOL Module Using 'EZASOKET' Calls Receiving 0C1

2011-05-23 Thread John Weber
Hey Scott,

Really appreciate the replies.  We are running z/os v1r7.  I'm going to compare 
our JCL's now.  Thanks.

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What version of z/OS are you trying to compile this Cobol prog
John:

What version of z/OS are you trying to compile this Cobol program on ?
We use EZASOKET all the time including STC and batch with no problems. We are 
running from z/OS 1.9 up through including z/OS 1.11 

Sounds like your compile/link is wrong..
 
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Subject: COBOL Module Using 'EZASOKET' Calls Receiving 0C!

All,

Module HSMSOCKB is a batch COBOL module consisting of only 'EZASOKET' calls.

When is submitted it receives the following error:

'CEE3201S The system detected an operation exception (System Completion 
Code=0C1)
        From compile unit HSMSOCK at entry point HSMSOCK.'

It appears to be having an issue with 'inaccessible storage'.

Does anything need to be included with the compile/link besides SEZATCP with 
the 
link syslib and
004000 //SYSIN    DD *
004200  INCLUDE SYSLIB(EZACICAL)
004400  NAME HSMSOCKB(R)
With the link as well?

Thank you...

John Weber
FiTeq Inc.
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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Comstock

On 5/23/2011 8:03 AM, David Cole wrote:

Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am
seeing this more and more often.


Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it for
several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do use Facebook
socially, so I (and a LOT of other people) are somewhat familiar with it.

Second, it is a very convenient way for us to push information and for
interested recipients to receive that information...
* Recipients (customers, usually but anyone actually) can opt in or opt out of
our posts by liking or unliking (awful terms!) our ColeSoft page.
* So the recipient list is self-selecting. We don't have to maintain it.
* In fact, we do not have (and there is no way we could have) a complete list of
people who use z/XDC and are interested in its developments. Our Facebook page
gives such unknown people an easy way to stay abreast of z/XDC developments if
they choose to.
* Recipients can react to our announcements or even create their own postings
there, so the Facebook page can also serve us as a product forum.
* Posting information on Facebook does not require web programming skills, so it
widens the range of people here at ColeSoft that can be assigned to maintain the
presence.
Third, this kind of posting does not appear at our website because customers
don't frequent colesoft.com anywhere near as much as they frequent social
websites, especially Facebook. So only the most important information goes 
there.


So this update is not among the most important information then?










But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway).


I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, don't know
how to use LinkedIn and have no interest in learning LinkedIn. Why? Primarily
because it seems to me to be just a redundancy to Facebook. And more people use
Facebook than LinkedIn, so why bother?







And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down company
announcements.


About the only real information you have to give Facebook is an eaddress. There
is nothing else that they require you to give.







I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At
least not in any obvious place.


Customers know to look in our Support area for maintenance details. My Facebook
post contains additional prose regarding the fixes.







I'm not a z/XDC customer either, but if I was I would consider this to be a
problem. I do not use Facebook and I have no intention to do so.


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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread John McKown
Implementing MVS under *NIX is easy - run Hercules/390 and MVS 3.8j
under it. I do it for fun at home. Now, writing something so that a
z/OS program could run on a *NIX platform would be something else. And
it is easier to simply recompile your applications to run under *NIX or
Windows by getting a compatible COBOL compiler. There are vendors who do
that. We had one in, where I work a few years ago, who said that they
could convert __ALL__ our source in all languages (COBOL, HLASM,
EasyTrievePlus - batch and CICS) to a .NET platform and convert our JCL
to Windows powershell or Perl scripts. They said that they would
guarantee identical results to what we currently get and do it at a
lower cost, equal or faster processing, and as good or better
reliability. But the cost, up front, was too great - it was a 3 year
break even. Hum, that was about 4 years ago. We still have vendors
saying they can do this conversion. Now with a 2 year (or less) break
even. But the 1.5+ million initial cost is stopping us. Management here
is lusting to eliminate the z system entirely. But is unwilling to pay
very much to do so. They want to replace the z in a swap out so that
all of a sudden they are on Windows instead of z/OS for no conversion
cost (or at least a  1 year break even). 

On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 08:42 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote:
 On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:56:33 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:
 
 It's 01:30 local time. I can't sleep. So I'm likely insane.
 
 No comment.  :-)
 
  But I'm
 wondering if anybody knows of an __easy__ way to send z/OS SYSLOG
 messages to the UNIX syslog daemon? Sending the UNIX syslog daemon
 output to the z/OS SYSLOG is simple - log to the /dev/console UNIX
 file.
 
 snip
 
 Instead of running UNIX under z/OS, I think you need to start working on
 running MVS under *nix. If you start writing it now, you may have it
 done before you retire.I'm sure Paul G. will be more than happy to
 help.  :-)
 
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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 09:27:16 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:

Implementing MVS under *NIX is easy - run Hercules/390 and MVS 3.8j
under it. I do it for fun at home. Now, writing something so that a
z/OS program could run on a *NIX platform would be something else. And
it is easier to simply recompile your applications to run under *NIX or
Windows by getting a compatible COBOL compiler. 
snip

I was joking of course, but I meant the latter.  Emulate (?) an MVS
environment under *nix.  Call it Unix MVS System Services, or
just MSS for short.  :-)

Mark
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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Comstock

On 5/23/2011 8:37 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2011 09:27:16 -0500, John McKownjoa...@swbell.net  wrote:


Implementing MVS under *NIX is easy - run Hercules/390 and MVS 3.8j
under it. I do it for fun at home. Now, writing something so that a
z/OS program could run on a *NIX platform would be something else. And
it is easier to simply recompile your applications to run under *NIX or
Windows by getting a compatible COBOL compiler.

snip

I was joking of course, but I meant the latter.  Emulate (?) an MVS
environment under *nix.  Call it Unix MVS System Services, or
just MSS for short.  :-)


Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play.
ISTR it was the 3950, but I could be wrong. I wrote training for
it back when I was with IBM; even had it translated into German.
But I can't find the books now (this was 1974-75 after all).




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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Ward, Mike S
Maintenance window. We are only allowed 1 maint window per week. 

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On Mon, 23 May 2011 08:53:36 -0500, Ward, Mike S wrote:

 ... we have scheduled IPL's once a week ...

Whether you need it or not?  Why?

Lingering fear of resource leaks?  Operator training?

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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Schwab
I think we IPL about once every 2-3 months.

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Ward, Mike S
Maybe we're what's left after the rapture.



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Yeah, 6pm came and went on May 21st, we are still here. I hope no one there got 
caught in the Tornadoes, grew up in Tornado Alley most of my life
 
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From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com
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Subject: Re: It got very quiet

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 Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
 Scott J Ford


I had actually thought that zombies had gotten most of us.  After all - it was 
supposed to be the zombie Apocalypse weekend.

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Chris Mason
Be afraid, be very afraid!

Not at all a serious thread, of course, but this comment reaches down almost 
as low as the comment from Jaffe[1] regarding his preference for the most 
offensive choice and all fully justifies Kees Vernooij's disgust[2] (and 
JR's[3]) 
at the mentality of some of the contributors, notably this case of school-boy 
behaviour from someone planning to retire in 2014.[4]

[1] http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-
mainD=1T=0O=DP=8426

[2] http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-
mainT=0F=S=P=103258

[3] http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-
mainT=0F=S=P=48651

[4] http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-
mainD=1O=DT=0P=129217

Incidentally a signal to noise ration of 1 to 24 bodes ill for IBM-MAIN, does 
it 
not?

http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-mainT=0P=99433

http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-
mainT=0P=116077

See http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1105L=ibm-
mainT=0P=32133
On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:12:49 -0500, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com 
wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler

 Wow - This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

I thought my perception of that was due to having plonked Mr. Mason.

-jc-
On Mon, 23 May 2011 11:28:34 +, Mike Liberatore 
vze2q...@verizon.net wrote:

666
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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maybe not.  maybe it really did happen.  that's why it is quiet.

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Have a hangover from the end of the world party

They Lied...

Shane

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Yeah, Lizette I agree really quiet, unusually so ..
 
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Wow – This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

Lizette

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Eric Bielefeld
It isn't very quiet anymore!

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 Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Yeah, 6pm came and went on May 21st, we are still here. I hope no one there 
 got 
caught in the Tornadoes, grew up in Tornado Alley most of my life
 
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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
After all, if half a billion people are 
on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are...

What good is it if customer management block the site?
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Re: COBOL Module Using 'EZASOKET' Calls Receiving 0C1

2011-05-23 Thread Scott Ford
My pleasure glad I could help. Also the structure of our cod
Hey John,

My pleasure glad I could help. Also the structure of our code the EZASOKET 
calls 
were developed on z/OS 1.6 ...and have been working up through 1.12 no issues.
The only problem I ran across is compatibility of the some of the LE Cobol 
calls. There were some maintenance issues..If I can be of further 
assistance please dont hestiate email me ..
 
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From: John Weber j...@fiteq.com
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Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 10:20:36 AM
Subject: Re: COBOL Module Using 'EZASOKET' Calls Receiving 0C1

Hey Scott,

Really appreciate the replies.  We are running z/os v1r7.  I'm going to compare 
our JCL's now.  Thanks.

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What version of z/OS are you trying to compile this Cobol prog
John:

What version of z/OS are you trying to compile this Cobol program on ?
We use EZASOKET all the time including STC and batch with no problems. We are 
running from z/OS 1.9 up through including z/OS 1.11 

Sounds like your compile/link is wrong..
 
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Subject: COBOL Module Using 'EZASOKET' Calls Receiving 0C!

All,

Module HSMSOCKB is a batch COBOL module consisting of only 'EZASOKET' calls.

When is submitted it receives the following error:

'CEE3201S The system detected an operation exception (System Completion 
Code=0C1)
        From compile unit HSMSOCK at entry point HSMSOCK.'

It appears to be having an issue with 'inaccessible storage'.

Does anything need to be included with the compile/link besides SEZATCP with 
the 

link syslib and
004000 //SYSIN    DD *
004200  INCLUDE SYSLIB(EZACICAL)
004400  NAME HSMSOCKB(R)
With the link as well?

Thank you...

John Weber
FiTeq Inc.
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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
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 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:03 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance
 for z/XDC)
 
 Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional
 use?  I am seeing this more and more often.
 
 Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it
 for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do
 use Facebook socially, so I (and a LOT of other people) are somewhat
 familiar with it.

People, not companies.  And you are forgetting about lawyers and lawsuits (more 
detail on that below).

 Second, it is a very convenient way for us to push information and
 for interested recipients to receive that information...
Snipped
 Third, this kind of posting does not appear at our website because
 customers don't frequent colesoft.com anywhere near as much as they
 frequent social websites, especially Facebook. So only the most
 important information goes there.

Direct email to your customers would be the most straightforward way to 
accomplish such notice.  A newsletter would be appropriate too.  I suspect that 
any or all of your employees already have the necessary skills for that kind of 
communication.  You can even automate mass email on z/OS.

I understand the need to lessen the burden of communications issues for your 
employees, but I suspect that FB is not the answer for most of your large 
corporate customers.

Snipped
 By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with
 friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception.
 
 Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national
 businesses have growing Facebook presences. So I don't agree that my
 posts are an exception.  After all, if half a billion people are
 on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are...

Companies most likely do this for their own marketing purposes, not for 
employee communication purposes.  In such cases it is also very likely that the 
sales and legal teams are the only ones with internal access from the company 
network, not the programmers who use your product.

There are also the tort fears of many companies.  In these litigious days, no 
sane corporate lawyer will advise a company to allow their employees unfettered 
access to social sites because accidental (never mind intentional) release of 
material non-public information is usually worth a large chunk of cash to the 
government and lots of other lawyers.

Those fears may or may not be valid, but they exist and result in restrictive 
web access policies that should be acknowledged and dealt with.

Peter
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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
 
 On Mon, 23 May 2011 08:53:36 -0500, Ward, Mike S wrote:
 
  ... we have scheduled IPL's once a week ...
 
 Whether you need it or not?  Why?

Because.

 Lingering fear of resource leaks?  Operator training?

Hysterical reasons:  Mostly, We've always done it that way, but also
for operator training / proficiency maintenance.  We techies have a
sandbox which we can IPL whenever, and there have been occasions
when we bounced the sandbox frequently enough to make Meadowlark
Lemon[1] jealous.  :-)

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Re: z/OS SYSLOG to UNIX syslog daemon?

2011-05-23 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
st...@trainersfriend.com (Steve Comstock) writes:
 Ahhh! The memorable Mass Storage System. Pluck, shuck, and play.
 ISTR it was the 3950, but I could be wrong. I wrote training for
 it back when I was with IBM; even had it translated into German.
 But I can't find the books now (this was 1974-75 after all).

close, 3850
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Re: get the DSCB with REXX.

2011-05-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 23 May 2011 15:23:37 +0200 Marco Gianfranco Indaco
mgind...@gmail.com wrote:

:Hi.
:LISTDSI works only under TSO, if you want to trap same msgs(and more) you
:can also use Storage function to surf MVS Data Area with swareq pointing to
:jfcb and subfields.

JFCB does not contain much of the DSCB.

:Used properly allows a perfect usage of jcl info.

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PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I have 
memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4 is 3.4 
and so on.

Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two 
screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to swap 
to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it goes there. 
 Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go from 6 to 3.  
How do I do that?

I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even after 
all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy

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Re: get the DSCB with REXX.

2011-05-23 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
:JFCB does not contain much of the DSCB.
Sorry, more than LISTDSI, of course.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
is 3.4 and so on.

Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?

I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy


Multiple ways.   2 + pF9  then 6 + pf9 (assuming PF9 = SWAP).  Or use
the swap list command and select the logical screen.   
Or name the screens (SCRNAME aaa, SCRNAME bbb), then swap directly
to that screen  - SWAP AAA   then SWAP BBB. 

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread J R
 

 Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 09:33:25 +0200
 From: lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com
 Subject: Re: It got very quiet
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 
 maybe not. maybe it really did happen. that's why it is quiet.
 

 
What, you mean the meek inherited IBM-MAIN?  

  
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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Scott Rowe
I think he is looking for something like SWAP PREV, though I'm not sure
that will do what he wants.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:

 On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
 lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

 I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
 have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
 is 3.4 and so on.
 
 Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
 screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
 swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
 goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
 from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?
 
 I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
 after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.
 
 thank you very much
 Lindy
 

 Multiple ways.   2 + pF9  then 6 + pf9 (assuming PF9 = SWAP).  Or use
 the swap list command and select the logical screen.
 Or name the screens (SCRNAME aaa, SCRNAME bbb), then swap directly
 to that screen  - SWAP AAA   then SWAP BBB.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Comstock

On 5/23/2011 10:22 AM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:

I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.
I have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is
ISHELL, 4 is 3.4 and so on.


Well, wait now. There is no inherent mapping like you are
talking about. You mean this is the way _you_ start up the
screens. Go back to the ISPF class I taught there a in November,
2008. In the ISPF class, look at pp. 166-172 (especially
note the last bullet on p. 172)

Also look around in the class libraries for a member MYSTART
which starts up and names four or five screens for you.



Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9
swap between two screens that I want.  Let's say I am in
ISHELL on number 3 and I want to swap to number 6 for example.
I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it goes there.  Then
I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?


That depends on how you assign PF9; if you have just 'swap',
then the swap is always between the two most recenct screens
you've used. If you have 'swap next' the swap is to the next
screen on the screen list.



I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite
often, but even after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy



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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread J R
 

 Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 10:03:09 -0400
 From: dbc...@colesoft.com
 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for 
 z/XDC)
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
snippage
 I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, 
 don't know how to use LinkedIn and have no interest in learning 
 LinkedIn. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a 
 redundancy to Facebook. And more people use Facebook than LinkedIn, 
 so why bother?

Hmm, interesting twist.  

I prefer LinkedIn over Facebook simply because I don't use Facebook, 
don't know how to use Facebook and have no interest in learning 
Facebook. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a 
 redundancy to LinkedIn. And more professionals use LinkedIn than Facebook, 
 so why bother?  

LinkedIn is more focussed on professional matters.  You could set up 
an XDC group where you and your users could post things of mutual interest 
that would be pushed to those who want it.  

If I ever need to know who's having a bad hair day, I'll join Facebook.  

 
  
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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread John P Kalinich
Lindy,

Have you tried the SWAPBAR command?

Regards,
John K



   
  From:   Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com   
   

   
  To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu  
   

   
  Date:   05/23/2011 11:22 AM   
   

   
  Subject:PF9 Swap question 
   

   





I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
is 3.4 and so on.

Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?

I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:04:08 -0500, Chris Mason wrote:

noise

... this case of school-boy
behaviour ...

Your childish insults are unnecessary and unwanted.

Incidentally a signal to noise ration of 1 to 24 bodes ill for IBM-MAIN,
does it
not?

Yes.  Why do you post so much noise?
/noise

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'EZASOKET' Connect Call How to Specify Port/IP Address

2011-05-23 Thread John Weber
Our Socket command works.  Our Connect command receives a 49.

I'm not quite sure how the port and ip address are to be passed.

They need to be in hex?  A port of 1500 comes to x'05DC'.  Is this how it 
should look?

The ip address also?  Can these two be programmed?  Thanks a lot!

John

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Re: 'EZASOKET' Connect Call How to Specify Port/IP Address

2011-05-23 Thread Chris Mason
John

You should post any questions involving the IP component of z/OS 
Communications Server in the IBMTCP-L list:

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However, this one looks pretty simple.

I'm assuming you are using COBOL but, if not, you can find the appropriate 
information for your language in the z/OS Communications Server IP Sockets 
Application Programming Interface Guide and Reference manual. I'm also 
assuming you are using IPv4.

quote

 WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.

 01  SOC-FUNCTIONPIC X(16)  VALUE IS 'CONNECT'.
 01  S   PIC 9(4) BINARY.

 * IPv4 socket address structure.

 01  NAME.
 03  FAMILY  PIC 9(4) BINARY.
 03  PORTPIC 9(4) BINARY.
 03  IP-ADDRESS  PIC 9(8) BINARY.
 03  RESERVEDPIC X(8).
 
PROCEDURE DIVISION.

 CALL 'EZASOKET' USING SOC-FUNCTION S NAME ERRNO RETCODE.

   Figure 76. CONNECT call instruction example

/quote

The destination IP address is placed as a 32-bit number in the IP-ADDRESS 
field and the destination port number in the PORT field as explained here:

quote

NAME

An IPv4 socket address structure that contains the IPv4 socket address of 
the target to which the local, client socket is to be connected.

FAMILY

A halfword binary field specifying the IPv4 addressing family. The value must 
be decimal 2 for AF_INET.

PORT

A halfword binary field that is set to the server's port number in network byte 
order. For example, if the port number is 5000 in decimal, it is stored as 
X'1388' in hex.

IP-ADDRESS

A fullword binary field that is set to the 32-bit IPv4 IP address of the 
server's 
host machine in network byte order. For example, if the IP address is 
129.4.5.12 in dotted decimal notation, it would be represented as X'8104050C' 
in hex.

RESERVED

Specifies an 8-byte reserved field. This field is required, but is not used.

/quote

Please post again if there is some detail here you don't follow.

Chris Mason

On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:52:04 -0700, John Weber j...@fiteq.com 
wrote:

Our Socket command works.  Our Connect command receives a 49.

I'm not quite sure how the port and ip address are to be passed.

They need to be in hex?  A port of 1500 comes to x'05DC'.  Is this how it 
should look?

The ip address also?  Can these two be programmed?  Thanks a lot!

John

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Chris Mason
Well, since we're on a school-boy pranks theme:

I hope you have something to hand to wipe away the blood streaming from 
your nose.

The serious point that arises from this is that subscribers to IBM-MAIN should 
take the trouble to follow up any references they are offered before putting 
their prejudices on display - and then maybe they wouldn't.

Before we all have to suffer another spittle-flecked reply, take the trouble to 
discover which way round the ratio is - rather than the assumption that 
tripped you up.

On Mon, 23 May 2011 12:12:15 -0500, Tom Marchant m42tom-
ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:04:08 -0500, Chris Mason wrote:

noise

... this case of school-boy
behaviour ...

Your childish insults are unnecessary and unwanted.

Incidentally a signal to noise ration of 1 to 24 bodes ill for IBM-MAIN,
does it
not?

Yes.  Why do you post so much noise?
/noise

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Re: Moving to an outsourcing datacenter

2011-05-23 Thread Alan Schenck
CTAM = Chevy Truck Access Method?

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Re: Moving to an outsourcing datacenter

2011-05-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
CTAM = Chevy Truck Access Method?

Yes.
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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield 
lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I 
have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4 is 
3.4 and so on.

Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two 
screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to 
swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it 
goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go 
from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?

I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even 
after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy

Lindy, I have been playing here with my sessions and I do not think you can 
do as you'd like unfortunately.

I too use multiple sessions, sometimes I run out of them (the limit being 8)!

With my ID I have changed all my PF2 settings to the START command and 
PF9 to SWAP NEXT.  

As John pointed out, I do have the SWAPBAR command invoked, and you can 
see the panel names at the bottom of your screen.  If I'm on screen #2 for 
instance, I can type SWAP 5 and it will go to screen 5 (as noted on the 
display with an asterisk next to the screen you are on).  

I then can go to all the others using the SWAP n command, but a SWAP PREV 
only takes me back one in the list as noted on the SWAPBAR display.  

So I don't think the SWAP command is intuitive enough to know what screen 
you really were previously on.  Sorry!

The SWAPBAR is a neat feature, although I find it cumbersome to tab down to 
the right screen and hit enter to get to it.  It is just faster to hit my PF9 
SWAP NEXT command.  Same with SWAP LIST.  My opinion only, of course.

HTH,
Pat L.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Scott Rowe
Pat,

I think the maximum can be increased by changing
MAXIMUM_NUMBER_OF_SPLIT_SCREENS in your installation options.

Scott

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Lyon ptl...@midamerican.comwrote:

 On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
 lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

 I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
 have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
 is
 3.4 and so on.
 
 Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
 screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
 swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
 goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
 from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?
 
 I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
 after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.
 
 thank you very much
 Lindy

 Lindy, I have been playing here with my sessions and I do not think you can
 do as you'd like unfortunately.

 I too use multiple sessions, sometimes I run out of them (the limit being
 8)!

 With my ID I have changed all my PF2 settings to the START command and
 PF9 to SWAP NEXT.

 As John pointed out, I do have the SWAPBAR command invoked, and you can
 see the panel names at the bottom of your screen.  If I'm on screen #2 for
 instance, I can type SWAP 5 and it will go to screen 5 (as noted on the
 display with an asterisk next to the screen you are on).

 I then can go to all the others using the SWAP n command, but a SWAP PREV
 only takes me back one in the list as noted on the SWAPBAR display.

 So I don't think the SWAP command is intuitive enough to know what screen
 you really were previously on.  Sorry!

 The SWAPBAR is a neat feature, although I find it cumbersome to tab down to
 the right screen and hit enter to get to it.  It is just faster to hit my
 PF9
 SWAP NEXT command.  Same with SWAP LIST.  My opinion only, of course.

 HTH,
 Pat L.

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Re: 'EZASOKET' Connect Call How to Specify Port/IP Address

2011-05-23 Thread Scott Ford
Send me an email to my Yahoo and I will send you a sample.

John:

Send me an email to my Yahoo and I will send you a sample.
 
Scott J Ford
 





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Subject: 'EZASOKET' Connect Call How to Specify Port/IP Address

Our Socket command works.  Our Connect command receives a 49.

I'm not quite sure how the port and ip address are to be passed.

They need to be in hex?  A port of 1500 comes to x'05DC'.  Is this how it 
should 
look?

The ip address also?  Can these two be programmed?  Thanks a lot!

John

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Re: 'EZASOKET' Connect Call How to Specify Port/IP Address

2011-05-23 Thread Scott Ford

Sorry didnt see Chris's answer...
 
Scott J Ford
 





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Subject: Re: 'EZASOKET' Connect Call How to Specify Port/IP Address

John

You should post any questions involving the IP component of z/OS 
Communications Server in the IBMTCP-L list:

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However, this one looks pretty simple.

I'm assuming you are using COBOL but, if not, you can find the appropriate 
information for your language in the z/OS Communications Server IP Sockets 
Application Programming Interface Guide and Reference manual. I'm also 
assuming you are using IPv4.

quote

        WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.

            01  SOC-FUNCTION    PIC X(16)  VALUE IS 'CONNECT'.
            01  S              PIC 9(4) BINARY.

        * IPv4 socket address structure.

            01  NAME.
                03  FAMILY      PIC 9(4) BINARY.
                03  PORT        PIC 9(4) BINARY.
                03  IP-ADDRESS  PIC 9(8) BINARY.
                03  RESERVED    PIC X(8).

        PROCEDURE DIVISION.

        CALL 'EZASOKET' USING SOC-FUNCTION S NAME ERRNO RETCODE.

  Figure 76. CONNECT call instruction example

/quote

The destination IP address is placed as a 32-bit number in the IP-ADDRESS 
field and the destination port number in the PORT field as explained here:

quote

NAME

An IPv4 socket address structure that contains the IPv4 socket address of 
the target to which the local, client socket is to be connected.

FAMILY

A halfword binary field specifying the IPv4 addressing family. The value must 
be decimal 2 for AF_INET.

PORT

A halfword binary field that is set to the server's port number in network byte 
order. For example, if the port number is 5000 in decimal, it is stored as 
X'1388' in hex.

IP-ADDRESS

A fullword binary field that is set to the 32-bit IPv4 IP address of the 
server's 

host machine in network byte order. For example, if the IP address is 
129.4.5.12 in dotted decimal notation, it would be represented as X'8104050C' 
in hex.

RESERVED

Specifies an 8-byte reserved field. This field is required, but is not used.

/quote

Please post again if there is some detail here you don't follow.

Chris Mason

On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:52:04 -0700, John Weber j...@fiteq.com 
wrote:

Our Socket command works.  Our Connect command receives a 49.

I'm not quite sure how the port and ip address are to be passed.

They need to be in hex?  A port of 1500 comes to x'05DC'.  Is this how it 
should look?

The ip address also?  Can these two be programmed?  Thanks a lot!

John

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:46:20 -0400, Scott Rowe 
scott.r...@joann.com wrote:

Pat,

I think the maximum can be increased by changing
MAXIMUM_NUMBER_OF_SPLIT_SCREENS in your installation options.

Scott

Oh, don't tell me that.  :)

Thanks for the tip!

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Patrick Lyon ptl...@midamerican.com wrote:
 On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
 lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
 have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4 is
 3.4 and so on.
deleted

I have typed:
SPLIT;=8.ST enter
or
SWAP;=3.4 enter
to split the screen at the line the cursor is on when I press the
enter key and jump to the desired location.  On the swap, some
applications (ISMF) you need to:
SWAP;=X;3.4 enter
other wise the 3.4 is working within ISMF.

Not sure how to code a PFKey to pick up the typed option and prefix it
with the SWAP;

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Starr, Alan
Hi Lindy,

I believe that Pat is correct in that SWAP PREV and NEXT operate based upon the 
consecutive screen numbers assigned (i.e. rather than the order in which you 
have accessed the screens).

You may find it useful to utilize screen names. I assign two-character names to 
my screens using the SCRNAME primary command. Examples:

SCRNAME   ej(eJES screen)
SCRNAME   tm   (tape management)
SCRNAME   ra (RACF)

You can see the screen names assigned explicitly or by default with SWAP LIST

I assign F9 a value of SWAP NEXT  and F21 a value of SWAP.

Thus, I can type EJ or TM or RA (or any other screen name) in a command/option 
field, press F21, and jump directly to the screen I want.

I do something similar for collections of datasets that I often access via ISPF 
3.4. This is done by defining a set of DSN masks in a named entity called a 
REFLIST. For example, I have defined REFLIST PP with masks that cause DSLIST to 
display all PARMLIBs and PROCLIBs. I assigned F6 the value of REFLISTD in many 
of my KEYLISTs (F6 is not assigned in most menus). I can then type PP in any 
command/option field and press F6, which invokes DSLIST using REFLIST PP. Off 
topic, I know, but nonetheless useful at times.

Regards,
Alan



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Subject: Re: PF9 Swap question

On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com 
wrote:

I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  
I
have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4 is
3.4 and so on.

Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between 
two
screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to swap 
to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it goes there. 
 Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go from 6 to 3.  
How do I do that?

I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but 
even
after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy

Lindy, I have been playing here with my sessions and I do not think you can do 
as you'd like unfortunately.

I too use multiple sessions, sometimes I run out of them (the limit being 8)!

With my ID I have changed all my PF2 settings to the START command and
PF9 to SWAP NEXT.  

As John pointed out, I do have the SWAPBAR command invoked, and you can see the 
panel names at the bottom of your screen.  If I'm on screen #2 for instance, I 
can type SWAP 5 and it will go to screen 5 (as noted on the display with an 
asterisk next to the screen you are on).  

I then can go to all the others using the SWAP n command, but a SWAP PREV only 
takes me back one in the list as noted on the SWAPBAR display.  

So I don't think the SWAP command is intuitive enough to know what screen you 
really were previously on.  Sorry!

The SWAPBAR is a neat feature, although I find it cumbersome to tab down to the 
right screen and hit enter to get to it.  It is just faster to hit my PF9 SWAP 
NEXT command.  Same with SWAP LIST.  My opinion only, of course.

HTH,
Pat L.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I think the maximum can be increased by changing 
MAXIMUM_NUMBER_OF_SPLIT_SCREENS in your installation options.

IIRC, there's an absolute max of 32.
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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Donald Johnson
Lindy, if you think of the SWAP command as alternating between two screens,
or two sides of a display, this might make it easier. When you are on the
A screen and press PF9, you will go to the B screen. Press PF9 again,
and you are back on the A screen. OK so far?

Now, if you are on Screen 2 on the A side and Screen 4 on the B side, you
will alternate back and forth between these two. When you enter the command
SWAP 3, it does not switch sides, but changes the screen displayed on the
current side of the swap. For example if you are on Screen 2, with Screen 4
as the other side of the swap, and enter SWAP 3, you will change to Screen
3, and PF9 will swap to Screen 4, PF9 back to 3, and PF9 again to Screen 4.
Now, from Screen 4 if you enter SWAP 6, you will change from 4 to 6 on your
active screen, and PF9 will go to 3.

So, if you are still with me, your answer is very simple...Once your screens
are set up, do the following...
1. enter command SWAP 3 enter (this is the A side)
2. Press PF9 (to go to the B side)
3. enter command SWAP 6 enter (change the B side to 6)

Now you are set to toggle between 3 and 6.  The key to remember is that PF9
swaps to the other side, and the command SWAP # (or PF9 with the #) will
change the active screen to the new #, it does not swap.

Hope this helps!
*don*

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Lyon ptl...@midamerican.comwrote:

 On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
 lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

 I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
 have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
 is
 3.4 and so on.
 
 Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
 screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
 swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
 goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
 from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?
 
 I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
 after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.
 
 thank you very much
 Lindy

 Lindy, I have been playing here with my sessions and I do not think you can
 do as you'd like unfortunately.

 I too use multiple sessions, sometimes I run out of them (the limit being
 8)!

 With my ID I have changed all my PF2 settings to the START command and
 PF9 to SWAP NEXT.

 As John pointed out, I do have the SWAPBAR command invoked, and you can
 see the panel names at the bottom of your screen.  If I'm on screen #2 for
 instance, I can type SWAP 5 and it will go to screen 5 (as noted on the
 display with an asterisk next to the screen you are on).

 I then can go to all the others using the SWAP n command, but a SWAP PREV
 only takes me back one in the list as noted on the SWAPBAR display.

 So I don't think the SWAP command is intuitive enough to know what screen
 you really were previously on.  Sorry!

 The SWAPBAR is a neat feature, although I find it cumbersome to tab down to
 the right screen and hit enter to get to it.  It is just faster to hit my
 PF9
 SWAP NEXT command.  Same with SWAP LIST.  My opinion only, of course.

 HTH,
 Pat L.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Comstock

On 5/23/2011 1:08 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Patrick Lyonptl...@midamerican.com  wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com  wrote:


I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I

have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4 is
3.4 and so on.

deleted

I have typed:
SPLIT;=8.STenter
or
SWAP;=3.4enter
to split the screen at the line the cursor is on when I press the
enter key and jump to the desired location.  On the swap, some
applications (ISMF) you need to:
SWAP;=X;3.4enter
other wise the 3.4 is working within ISMF.

Not sure how to code a PFKey to pick up the typed option and prefix it
with the SWAP;



If your PF9 is assigned to SWAP, then if you enter an
screen number in the command line (e.g.: == 5) and press
PF9, ISPF will assemble the command as 'SWAP 5')

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Rick Fochtman

Lizette Koehler wrote:


Wow – This is list very quiet.  Hope you are all doing okay.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
You can set the keys to SWAP LIST to provide a dropdown selection.

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Donald Johnson
 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:15 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: PF9 Swap question
 
 Lindy, if you think of the SWAP command as alternating between two
 screens,
 or two sides of a display, this might make it easier. When you are
 on the
 A screen and press PF9, you will go to the B screen. Press PF9
 again,
 and you are back on the A screen. OK so far?
 
 Now, if you are on Screen 2 on the A side and Screen 4 on the B
 side, you
 will alternate back and forth between these two. When you enter the
 command
 SWAP 3, it does not switch sides, but changes the screen displayed
 on the
 current side of the swap. For example if you are on Screen 2, with
 Screen 4
 as the other side of the swap, and enter SWAP 3, you will change to
 Screen
 3, and PF9 will swap to Screen 4, PF9 back to 3, and PF9 again to
 Screen 4.
 Now, from Screen 4 if you enter SWAP 6, you will change from 4 to 6
 on your
 active screen, and PF9 will go to 3.
 
 So, if you are still with me, your answer is very simple...Once your
 screens
 are set up, do the following...
 1. enter command SWAP 3 enter (this is the A side)
 2. Press PF9 (to go to the B side)
 3. enter command SWAP 6 enter (change the B side to 6)
 
 Now you are set to toggle between 3 and 6.  The key to remember is
 that PF9
 swaps to the other side, and the command SWAP # (or PF9 with the #)
 will
 change the active screen to the new #, it does not swap.
 
 Hope this helps!
 *don*
 
 On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Lyon
 ptl...@midamerican.comwrote:
 
  On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
  lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:
 
  I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or
 so.  I
  have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is
 ISHELL, 4
  is
  3.4 and so on.
  
  Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap
 between two
  screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I
 want to
  swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9
 and it
  goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want
 it to go
  from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?
  
  I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often,
 but even
  after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.
  
  thank you very much
  Lindy
 
  Lindy, I have been playing here with my sessions and I do not
 think you can
  do as you'd like unfortunately.
 
  I too use multiple sessions, sometimes I run out of them (the
 limit being
  8)!
 
  With my ID I have changed all my PF2 settings to the START command
 and
  PF9 to SWAP NEXT.
 
  As John pointed out, I do have the SWAPBAR command invoked, and
 you can
  see the panel names at the bottom of your screen.  If I'm on
 screen #2 for
  instance, I can type SWAP 5 and it will go to screen 5 (as noted
 on the
  display with an asterisk next to the screen you are on).
 
  I then can go to all the others using the SWAP n command, but a
 SWAP PREV
  only takes me back one in the list as noted on the SWAPBAR
 display.
 
  So I don't think the SWAP command is intuitive enough to know what
 screen
  you really were previously on.  Sorry!
 
  The SWAPBAR is a neat feature, although I find it cumbersome to
 tab down to
  the right screen and hit enter to get to it.  It is just faster to
 hit my
  PF9
  SWAP NEXT command.  Same with SWAP LIST.  My opinion only, of
 course.
 
  HTH,
  Pat L.
 
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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Rick Fochtman

---snip--
I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. 
At least not in any obvious place.


Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I 
am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but 
most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks 
from what I have seen.

--unsnip---
I'd also be concerned about too many wanna be's cluttering a 
professional's mailbox with inappropriate and/or senseless replies to 
legitimate technical questions.


Leave the socialites on the social lists and let the pros from Dover 
have their list in peace.  :-)


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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Rick Fochtman

---snip---
Or, we're the only ones left. There's a rumor that the most annoying 
posters have left us in peace. ;-)

unsnip
That's an open invitation to Mr. Murphy, the noted law giver. :-)

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Ed Gould
Kohn:

Or what if the alternate universe was already in use and the resource manager 
put us on hold?

Ed





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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Rick Fochtman

snip-


Don't be sorry. I'm glad you said it. I had something happen the other day that 
really made me laugh. The ratio of System Admins to system programmers here is 
about 8 to 1. Management wanted us to start showing the admins the systems 
aspect of z/os and the z10. One of the really bright guys came over and the 
first thing he asked was when the system hangs how do I reboot it. I laughed 
out loud and explained to him that we have scheduled IPL's once a week and 
don't do reboots in the middle of the week. He really couldn't believe it.
 


---unsnip--
BTDT, Mike. Our IPL interval was the first Sunday of each month, but our 
M$ boys were rebooting 2-3 times daily.


SYSPROG staff was 4, vs. 2 Admins for each server. Management argument 
was that M$ servers were less expensive than z-series but I wonder if 
they ever computed the people costs?


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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
sorry.  i wasn't clear.  it is easy to show, but difficult to describe.

let me say it this way.  when you have multiple ispf screens open, like me, 
from 1 to 8 (doesn't matter how I name them), then when you hit PF9 it switches 
between two different screens.

i want to make it switch between the two screens I want it to.


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Sent: 23 May 2011 19:42
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: PF9 Swap question

On 5/23/2011 10:22 AM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
 I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.
 I have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is
 ISHELL, 4 is 3.4 and so on.

Well, wait now. There is no inherent mapping like you are
talking about. You mean this is the way _you_ start up the
screens. Go back to the ISPF class I taught there a in November,
2008. In the ISPF class, look at pp. 166-172 (especially
note the last bullet on p. 172)

Also look around in the class libraries for a member MYSTART
which starts up and names four or five screens for you.


 Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9
 swap between two screens that I want.  Let's say I am in
 ISHELL on number 3 and I want to swap to number 6 for example.
 I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it goes there.  Then
 I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
 from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?

That depends on how you assign PF9; if you have just 'swap',
then the swap is always between the two most recenct screens
you've used. If you have 'swap next' the swap is to the next
screen on the screen list.


 I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite
 often, but even after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

 thank you very much
 Lindy


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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
yes yes.  of course.  i just know that there is a way to make PF9 swap between 
two screens and I want to know how to do it.


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Lindy,

Have you tried the SWAPBAR command?

Regards,
John K



  From:   Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com

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  Date:   05/23/2011 11:22 AM

  Subject:PF9 Swap question






I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
is 3.4 and so on.

Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?

I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.

thank you very much
Lindy

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
yes yes yes, i'm not that daft.  :-)

this is easy to show and hard to explain.  i want to tell PF9, swap, to swap 
between 2 and 4, and not 4 an 1 (if I am on screen 4).  there is a way to do 
it.  I have to go to one screen and swap between it and another and after a 
while it works and then... 

oh nevermind. i'll get over it.




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Subject: Re: PF9 Swap question

On 5/23/2011 1:08 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
 On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Patrick Lyonptl...@midamerican.com  wrote:
 On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
 lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com  wrote:

 I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
 have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4 
 is
 3.4 and so on.
 deleted

 I have typed:
 SPLIT;=8.STenter
 or
 SWAP;=3.4enter
 to split the screen at the line the cursor is on when I press the
 enter key and jump to the desired location.  On the swap, some
 applications (ISMF) you need to:
 SWAP;=X;3.4enter
 other wise the 3.4 is working within ISMF.

 Not sure how to code a PFKey to pick up the typed option and prefix it
 with the SWAP;


If your PF9 is assigned to SWAP, then if you enter an
screen number in the command line (e.g.: == 5) and press
PF9, ISPF will assemble the command as 'SWAP 5')

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I think that is it!  I have to try it now.  And I'll let you know.  thanks.


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Lindy, if you think of the SWAP command as alternating between two screens,
or two sides of a display, this might make it easier. When you are on the
A screen and press PF9, you will go to the B screen. Press PF9 again,
and you are back on the A screen. OK so far?

Now, if you are on Screen 2 on the A side and Screen 4 on the B side, you
will alternate back and forth between these two. When you enter the command
SWAP 3, it does not switch sides, but changes the screen displayed on the
current side of the swap. For example if you are on Screen 2, with Screen 4
as the other side of the swap, and enter SWAP 3, you will change to Screen
3, and PF9 will swap to Screen 4, PF9 back to 3, and PF9 again to Screen 4.
Now, from Screen 4 if you enter SWAP 6, you will change from 4 to 6 on your
active screen, and PF9 will go to 3.

So, if you are still with me, your answer is very simple...Once your screens
are set up, do the following...
1. enter command SWAP 3 enter (this is the A side)
2. Press PF9 (to go to the B side)
3. enter command SWAP 6 enter (change the B side to 6)

Now you are set to toggle between 3 and 6.  The key to remember is that PF9
swaps to the other side, and the command SWAP # (or PF9 with the #) will
change the active screen to the new #, it does not swap.

Hope this helps!
*don*

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Lyon ptl...@midamerican.comwrote:

 On Mon, 23 May 2011 18:22:13 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
 lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

 I have been using multiple ISPF screens for many years now, 12 or so.  I
 have memorized what each one is.  Like 1 is edit, 2 is SDSF, 3 is ISHELL, 4
 is
 3.4 and so on.
 
 Problem is that I still cannot figure out how to make PF9 swap between two
 screens that I want.  Let's say I am in ISHELL on number 3 and I want to
 swap to number 6 for example.  I put 6 in the command and hit PF9 and it
 goes there.  Then I hit PF9 and it goes to #2 for example.  I want it to go
 from 6 to 3.  How do I do that?
 
 I know it can be done, because I do it accidentally quite often, but even
 after all these years I haven't figured out the pattern.
 
 thank you very much
 Lindy

 Lindy, I have been playing here with my sessions and I do not think you can
 do as you'd like unfortunately.

 I too use multiple sessions, sometimes I run out of them (the limit being
 8)!

 With my ID I have changed all my PF2 settings to the START command and
 PF9 to SWAP NEXT.

 As John pointed out, I do have the SWAPBAR command invoked, and you can
 see the panel names at the bottom of your screen.  If I'm on screen #2 for
 instance, I can type SWAP 5 and it will go to screen 5 (as noted on the
 display with an asterisk next to the screen you are on).

 I then can go to all the others using the SWAP n command, but a SWAP PREV
 only takes me back one in the list as noted on the SWAPBAR display.

 So I don't think the SWAP command is intuitive enough to know what screen
 you really were previously on.  Sorry!

 The SWAPBAR is a neat feature, although I find it cumbersome to tab down to
 the right screen and hit enter to get to it.  It is just faster to hit my
 PF9
 SWAP NEXT command.  Same with SWAP LIST.  My opinion only, of course.

 HTH,
 Pat L.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Comstock

On 5/23/2011 2:17 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:

yes yes.  of course.  i just know that there is
a way to make PF9 swap between two screens and I
want to know how to do it.


Lindy,

I think collectively the posters have shown / told you
all there is to say. Unless you want to use the WorkStation
Agent (WSA). In that case, each split screen shows up on
your workstation as a separate window. Then you can use
Alt+Tab or the icons on the bottom of our screen to
swap screens, or even have two side by side. But be
warned: editing using the WSA is really ugly.




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Lindy,

Have you tried the SWAPBAR command?

Regards,
John K



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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 22:16:01 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote:

sorry.  i wasn't clear.  it is easy to show, but difficult to describe.

let me say it this way.  when you have multiple ispf screens open, like me,
from 1 to 8 (doesn't matter how I name them), then when you hit PF9 it
switches between two different screens.

i want to make it switch between the two screens I want it to.


Use swap n or swap screen_name to get the 2 logical screens you
want in the foreground.  Then just SWAP.   If your PF9 is SWAP NEXT that
won't work.   

I've always kept PF9 as SWAP like the good ol' days, and use PF21 
as SWAP NEXT.

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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Lindy Mayfield
well, actually, no.  probably i didn't ask the question in the right way, but 
no.  

however don did get what i was asking and he gave me a good answer.  i'll try 
it tomorrow, but i'm sure it will work.

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Subject: Re: PF9 Swap question

On 5/23/2011 2:17 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
 yes yes.  of course.  i just know that there is
 a way to make PF9 swap between two screens and I
 want to know how to do it.

Lindy,

I think collectively the posters have shown / told you
all there is to say. 

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Re: java executables using batch

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:
 snip-

 Don't be sorry. I'm glad you said it. I had something happen the other day
 that really made me laugh. The ratio of System Admins to system programmers
 here is about 8 to 1. Management wanted us to start showing the admins the
 systems aspect of z/os and the z10. One of the really bright guys came over
 and the first thing he asked was when the system hangs how do I reboot it. I
 laughed out loud and explained to him that we have scheduled IPL's once a
 week and don't do reboots in the middle of the week. He really couldn't
 believe it.


 ---unsnip--
 BTDT, Mike. Our IPL interval was the first Sunday of each month, but our M$
 boys were rebooting 2-3 times daily.

 SYSPROG staff was 4, vs. 2 Admins for each server. Management argument was
 that M$ servers were less expensive than z-series but I wonder if they ever
 computed the people costs?

 Rick

They need to calculate total cost of all servers and total cost of all admins.

Then show them they could run 300 zLinux servers on per IFL with very
few admins and low SAN disk space under z/VM.

Don't forget utility and cooling costs too.

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Re: It got very quiet

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Liberatore
I guess all the sysprogs are back at work and are causing system crashes
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It isn't very quiet anymore!

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 Yeah, 6pm came and went on May 21st, we are still here. I hope no one there 
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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole

At 5/23/2011 03:44 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
I'd also be concerned about too many wanna be's cluttering a 
professional's mailbox with inappropriate and/or senseless replies 
to legitimate technical questions.


(a) Could happen. (b) Might not. Personally, I doubt it will be a problem.

But if I choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose b.

I'll choose b.


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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Ed Finnell
_http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/_ (http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/) 
 
 
In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:47:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
dbc...@colesoft.com writes:

But if I  choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose  b.



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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole

Thanks for the smile, Ed.

vbg
Dave


At 5/23/2011 05:49 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:

_http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/_ (http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/)


In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:47:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dbc...@colesoft.com writes:

But if I  choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose  b.


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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole
FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook 
parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion 
out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying...


But the total is still a substantial minority of our customer base, 
so all you Eff-book phobes out there don't have to worry ... yet.


[;)]
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Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-05-23 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Lindy,

What Don told you is exactly how it works.  Way back when all you had was 2 
screens to swap between, you had the primary and secondary screen (I think that 
is the correct terminology).  Hitting PF9 bounced between primary and 
secondary.  The screen you are currently looking at is obviously the primary 
screen.  Along came IBM now giving us the capability of having up to 32 screens 
(by default limited to 8).  IBM didn't ditch the concept of primary and 
secondary.  Pressing PF9 with its default of SWAP still swaps between primary 
and secondary screens.  One way to which are your primary and secondary screens 
is to do a SWAP LIST command.  The drop down this gives you shows which are the 
screens SWAP will swap between.  The primary screen is shown with an asterisk 
beside the screen ID, and the secondary is shown with a hyphen beside the 
screen ID.

Others have given you ideas about how they have their PFKeys set up so I'll 
give mine.  I just leave PF9 alone at SWAP.  I have PF19 set to SWAP PREV, PF20 
set to SWAP NEXT, and PF21 set to SWAP LIST.

HTH.

Rex

-Original Message-
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well, actually, no.  probably i didn't ask the question in the right way, but 
no.

however don did get what i was asking and he gave me a good answer.  i'll try 
it tomorrow, but i'm sure it will work.

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On 5/23/2011 2:17 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
 yes yes.  of course.  i just know that there is
 a way to make PF9 swap between two screens and I
 want to know how to do it.

Lindy,

I think collectively the posters have shown / told you
all there is to say.


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Re: ShopZ

2011-05-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 May 2011 04:16:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

ShopZ was down all day yesterday and is still unavailable this morning. It 
looks like it will be a while:


ShopzSeries is temporarily unavailable for maintenance.

ShopzSeries is scheduled to resume normal operations by Saturday, October 24th 
at 12:00 AM MDT / 06:00 GMT.
Haven't the IBMLINK and ShopZ heard about the ability of z to do
24/7/365.24 availability?  Reading about these things is embarrassing.

Clark Morris

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Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Doug

On 5/23/2011 18:13, David Cole wrote:
FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook 
parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion 
out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying...


But the total is still a substantial minority of our customer base, so 
all you Eff-book phobes out there don't have to worry ... yet.


[;)]
Dave

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Cole,
The 'Rants and Raves' of the list really do show a unique, though 
somewhat 'mainframe' view. Glad to see you are still hard at it!

Let the Good Karma flow and just sit back and enjoy!
Doug

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