Re: CICS vs IMS
Frank, IMS DC does the same thing as CICS, but completely different. An IMS control region with its message region function basically like CICSPlex with AOR's and TOR's. Transactions in IMS can be tied to specific message regions and you can have several message regions tied to a control region. Transactions can be balanced across the message regions, and on misbehaving message region will not affect any of the other message regions in the same control region. IMS was designed from the start to process transaction this way whereas CICS was build to handle all transaction in one region. The TOR, AOR concept was added on to CICS afterwards. IMS is a beast to administer and is, in my opinion, less flexible than CICS. CICS is very easy to maintain. IE: "CEDA DEFINE PROG(XXX_" compared to running gens etc. but one bad behaving transaction can bring everything to a halt in CICS. Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Java apps have most flaws, Cobol is cleanest.
Interesting article on clean code study. COBOL scored the highest on security while .NET scored the lowest. Link to Computer world news article: http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/applications/3323819/java-apps-have-most-flaws-cobol-apps-least-study-finds/ (If the link does not fold right, follow the links from here: http://www.cicsworld.com/node/4252) Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: USS
Seeing that it is Friday, we can put the issue to vote and let the democratic process decide for us? Cast vote here : http://cicsworld.com/node/3827 Ian > Folks, > > If people folllowed the principles used in academia et al, as I > understand them, the first usage of a term is spelt out in full > followed by in brackets the acromyn or abbreviation that will be used > through the paper. > > For example Unix System Services (USS) > United States Ship (USS) > > Then no one has a valid cause of complaint > > Ken -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Terminology RE: USS
>John McKown writes:
>
>I never heard of "broken brackets" for < and >. Just "less than" and "greater
>than".
You probably never heard of "Left Banana" , "Right Banana" for "(" and ")"
then? :-)
Mike X, a great dba and all around great guy I worked with many years ago used
to use those terms for ().
"scootchie left" and "scootchie right" was his chosen terms for getting you to
move the cursor.
Ian.
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Re: Looking for recommendations for web hosting
Steve, Take a look at http://www.hostingmetro.com/ I've been hosting http://www.cicsworld.com (and other sites) with hostingmetro for a while and have had a very good experience with them. They will satisfy most all your requirements. As far as email goes, I use google apps for email, fast, reliable and no administrative headaches. Just point your MX records to googleapps and do the initial setups. Hope it helps. Ian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: I certainly was hacked
I had my gmail account hijacked a year ago. They did it by getting access to my session cookies. What I have learned is that you should ALWAYS log-out, use pop or imap if possible and try and avoid public hotspots and public computers. Also do not select the "Remember Me" option. If you are using Gmail you can see who had access to you gmail account by going to the bottom of the gmail page and click on "Details". There is a list of the last few IP addresses that accessed the account and it will show you if the account is currently being accessed at a different location. Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z196-BC announcement pending?
The Register have more info on the new BC http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/ibm_systemz11_bc_mainframe/ -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: An unnecessary controversy (Was: Ported tools for z/OS on ADCD)
Poll on the popular use of USS. http://cicsworld.com/node/3827 Ian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to justify SHARE
Lizette, They have a "Building a Case to Attend SHARE" page. It is on the registration page. http://www.share.org/Events/UpcomingConferences/SHAREinOrlando/BuildingaCasetoAttendSHARE/tabid/395/Default.aspx Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM turns 100.
Today IBM is celebrating its 100th Anniversary. To celebrate I have created a page where you can let IBM know how it influenced your life, the world and what IBM should do to last another 100 years. http://www.cicsworld.com/node/3978 Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When is performance really an issue? Was: Running an ISPF applicction from one pds
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 14/06/2011 13:49:16: > From: "Farley, Peter x23353" > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: 14/06/2011 13:50 > Subject: Re: When is performance really an issue? Was: Running an > ISPF applicction from one pds > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Thanks for the links, but the first one (to the IEEE site) requires > a logon which requires a subscription fee. > > I know that's where the IBM Journal is published now, but it sure > makes it hard to keep up with the information when you are forced to > pay for it. > > I'll have to check my library system and see if they have a library > subscription to IEEE. Sorry about that - just opens automagically in my browser - didn't realise there was some subscription cookie lurking somewhere. Ian -- Ian Burnett :: CICS TS for z/OS Performance :: ian.burn...@uk.ibm.com Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When is performance really an issue? Was: Running an ISPF applicction from one pds
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 13/06/2011 14:51:39: > You can think about it this way. Suppose you are designing a processor. > In order to process instructions, there are several things that have to be > done. Something like this: > That is a pipeline. You probably realized when reading this that there > are situations where the pipeline has to wait for something. For example, > if the second instruction uses the results of the first instruction, the > operands for the second instruction can not be fetched as described > above. That causes the pipeline to stall. > > Pipelines on modern processors are considerably more complex than what > I have described here, but I hope you get the idea. As clock speeds go up, pipelines need to get longer in terms of the number of stages (6 on a z9, 14 on a z10). This has the side-effect that any stall in the pipeline becomes relatively more expensive as you go up the machine range. Adding extra cache to the hardware (3 levels on a z10, 4 levels on a z196) gives you a better chance of having the data available without needing to access the relatively slow main storage. There's a very in-depth paper available with details of the z10 processor design and some pretty diagrams. [1] > Actually, it is not so much the pipeline that makes the execution times > for an instruction unpredictable, but the variability in the time required > to access memory. Modern processors have small, high speed memory > called cache that the processor can access quickly. If the data is not > there, it has to try a second or third level cache, each of which takes > more time to access. If the data can not be found there, it has to be > fetched from main memory, which is _much_ slower. The processor must > wait for it, and that wait is part of the execution time for the instruction > being processed. Virtual memory translation also takes time, because it > involves even more memory accesses, but Translation Lookaside Buffers > reduce the need to perform page table lookups. The z10 introduced the Relative Nest Intensity (RNI) metric [2], and this tries to encapsulate how well your application fits within the cache. A workload with a high RNI will (probably) suffer less pipeline stalls than one with a low RNI. Ian. [1] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=05388586 [2] https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/lib03060.nsf/pages/lsprwork?OpenDocument -- Ian Burnett :: CICS TS for z/OS Performance :: ian.burn...@uk.ibm.com Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer
Ed, I don't think that any one outside of IBM will ever get close to having a full and complete list. But I will take a shot at it realizing that it will never be perfect.. I am sure that there will be shops out there that do not want to be mapped, but my intentions is not to "out" them. This is purely a list to help potential jobseekers in there search for available positions. That is why I include a link to the career sites on the entries. The other problem that I see with this list, and any other list, is that it will never be complete. With mergers and acquisitions, mainframes being phased and outsourcing happening all the time it will always be a moving target. But that is even more of a reason to attempt a list like this because it is these actions that makes us loose jobs and I hope that this list will be able to help. Thanks Ian On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Ed Gould wrote: > IAN: > > I wish you luck but honestly do not think you will come close. I am sure > IBM > doesn't want a really complete list out there. > If anyone would come close it would be an interesting map. > With employers being so heavy handed, I would expect an inner office memo > to > come out and indicate that NO ONE should tell any one about the > installation. > > Off the top of my head they would be worried about head hunters coming in. > I > guess the secondary might be issues with security and maybe a few side > issues. > > I once worked at a place they had two locations and each had two computers > (although from little we were told) only 2 licenses for the company the > others > were "DR". > > I am not sure how you would count that place(s) physical cpu's or licenses. > Certainly not by personnel as the second place only had operators (no > systems > people). They recent changed and they still have two locations but I have > no > idea as to physical CPU's. > > ED > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:00:58 -0700, Ed Gould wrote: Its a decent stab (probably a bit closer that the world map that was talked about before) The world map you mentioned ( http://cicsworld.com/map/node )is my attempt on mapping zShops across the world. Seeing that I started it a couple of weeks ago from scratch it is by no means a complete list. At that time I was not aware of Phoenix Software's list. I did receive emails from folks with more to add, and some folks added locations themselves. (thank you all!). It is slow going because I'm a sysprog first then a web admin. I do all of this on my free time and with the money I can spare because I think it may benefit the community at large. So I'm very dependent on community involvement, and I hope that someone will benefit from my efforts. Regards Ian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: World Map of z/Shops
On Sat, 28 May 2011 20:48:22 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: >I've a question. >If a site is outsourced, how do you count that? > >You have, say, application types in one state/province/country. >And, you have techies elsewhere. >And, to add complications, what happens if you add off-shored code drones? > >All three are mainframer sites. >The difference is skill sets & levels. Ted, The idea is to give a job hunter the ability to see if there are zShops close to home, from there he/she may be able to do a more targeted job hunt. In my opinion all datacenters that have either programmers or systems programmers on site will be helpful,else just the HQ will do fine. Secondly, I think it will be interesting to see how many zShops are out there and where they are located. It may benefit some folks and be interesting to other. Regards Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
World Map of z/Shops
Hi List, I have created a map on CICSWorld.com ( http://cicsworld.com/map/node ) on which I would like to map all institutions that runs z/Series hardware and software, and provide a link to their career sites. I think that this will greatly help people looking for jobs. More info here: http://cicsworld.com/node/3841 Unfortunately it would take me years to harvest this information from the internet, therefore I'm requesting the help of the z community. If you can add a z/Shop to the map, please do so. If you want to stay anonymous, send me an email or private message from http://cicsworld.com/messages/new (sign-on required). To prevent spam you have to be a registered user to add a site. Once registered use this link ( http://www.cicsworld.com/node/add/zshop ) to add a zShop. (there are menu items to get you there too). The entries will be Mapped(http://cicsworld.com/map/node), Listed (http://cicsworld.com/location/views) and added to a directory list (http://cicsworld.com/location/directory). I am still working on the search and geo-search functions. And as always, I'm open to suggestions for this project and any other project that may benefit the community. Thank you and have a great weekend. Ian ps. The site may be slow at times, I'm still looking for a fast, cheap dedicated server host! As you all know, us mainframers are not independently wealthy :-) -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS
XMASCARD EXEC i -- Original Message -- Received: 04:12 PM COT, 04/13/2011 From: Scott Ford To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > Ok guys, let me ask one question, btw I also working in Security now,ACF2,RACF > and TSS. How many MF hackers or viruses have you seen, I have been at it 40yrs, > never one .. I am not saying it wont occur, but the odds are against it based on > the complexity of the environments. I have customers who dont even know their > own evnviroments. > > > Scott J Ford > > > > > > > From: Rick Fochtman > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 3:58:15 PM > Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > - > > > > Perhaps network/PC people simply can't conceive of a server being that > >secure/robust. Indeed, I know of a network guy who firmly believes that the MF > >would fail if presented with enough network traffic. > > > > To be fair, the burden of dealing with Windows security has fallen to the > >network folks, and, as they say, if you aren't paranoid, then you just don't > >understand :-) > > > > Further, it might be prudent to temper our confidence with the knowledge that > >no security is without holes. And the MF holds the crown jewels of the company > >and more. Extra layers of security are easy to justify. > > > > But a 'no outbound' position speaks to the fear that folks may catch on that > >the MF may be the best platform by far and work would start migrating back from > >the tinker toy farm to the citadel. > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > --- > > Hal, you're right in that no security is without holes. However, RACF, physical > security and staff training and standards can make the MF security far tighter > than anything we've seen on x86 based servers so far. Emphasis on "SO FAR". I > won't say that the MF is "unbreakable", because as soon as I do, an ingenious > idiot will prove me wrong. It would be very interesting to see a RACF-like > product for the X86 world, but how many so-called "System Administrators" would > be able to grasp the concepts, much less the mechanics? > > Rick > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: gifts p--) WARNING! MY ACCOUNT WAS HIJACKED
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Friday the 13th Poll
Listers, (cross-post from CICS-l) We haven't had a poll yet this year and seeing that it is Friday the 13th... Let's see how many shops are planning on throwing out the mainframe. The poll is here : http://www.cicsworld.com Ian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3270 Custom Screen Size - Attachmate Extra 9.1
iirc: 1. More recent versions of AE have lost the ability to define usefully large screen sizes. 2. Large screen sizes can cause problems if the ip buffer size is set too low. (doesn't look like the ditto problem at first glance) im -- Original Message -- Received: 10:39 AM COT, 02/08/2010 From: Miklos Szigetvari To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 3270 Custom Screen Size - Attachmate Extra 9.1 > In DITTO we got some S0C4 abends with user screen size (60*127) > > George.William wrote: > > >We recently 'upgraded' our 3270 emulator to Attachmate Extra X-treme > >9.0. > > > >Is anyone aware of a means to customize the screen size outside of the > >standard Mods 2,3,4 & 5? > > > >I'm unable to find any doco on being able to do such so was curious of > >someone knew an undocumented means? > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > >Bill > > > >__ > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > >Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > Miklos Szigetvari > > Development Team > ISIS Information Systems Gmbh > tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 > Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 > > E-mail: miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com > > Info: i...@isis-papyrus.com > Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 > > Visit our Website: http://www.isis-papyrus.com > --- > This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally > binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or > disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. > This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS accepts > no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. > --- > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Three Multiprise 3000 IBM S390's on Auction
Here's your opportunity to own your own little mainframe :-) http://rasmuscatalog.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?rasmus430/open Towards the middle of the page, Items 10036, 10037, 10038. -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel
>Gerhard wrote > >Like many a poll, it's missing some alternatives, making the results questionable. Just some quick additions: "I'm semi-retired, doing >occasional consulting work" or "I'm already retired" or "I'm retired but do occasional pro bono work" or "I'm not retiring, but changing >careers (perhaps to politician " Thanks Gerhard, leaving out an option for retirees was an omission. I've added 2 option. Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel
Several media articles came out after the CA Mainframe survey was released. Networkworld put it this way: "Still all is by no means rosy in mainframeland. Another recent study raised an ever-increasing issue – retiring mainframers." Several years ago I put poll's to see where we stand with retirements, and what age the Mainframer's are. Retirement poll : http://www.cicsworld.com/node/123 Age Poll : http://www.cicsworld.com/node/157 Though the polls are informal, I do not think things are as bad as they portray it. So to gauge the current state of affairs I put up another retirement poll. It will be interesting to see how many people will really retire in the near future. Take a moment and participate in the poll: http://www.cicsworld.com/ -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: chdir to home directory gives Permission Denied
Thanks John, that fixed it! My only question would be why has this suddenly become a problem for jung when all other users set up with the same script work fine? i -- Original Message -- Received: 03:45 PM COT, 08/26/2009 From: "McKown, John" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: chdir to home directory gives Permission Denied > > -Original Message- > > > Looking at their home directory it appears to be set up the > > same as all other > > users, viz: > > > > IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >ls -al /u > > total 224 > > drwx-- 14 START1 SYS18192 Aug 26 11:01 . > > drwxr-xr-x 13 START1 SYS18192 Mar 3 07:21 .. > > . > > . > > . > > drwxr-xr-x 2 JUNG SYS18192 Aug 26 11:01 jung > > > > > > IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >id jung > > uid=907(JUNG) gid=501(BEDFORD) > > > > > > Which all looks fine: /u/jung has u=x (in fact a=x), but the > > syslog message > > suggests it doesn't. > > > > Anyone got any thoughts? > > > > > > ian > > ... > > Look at the permisson on /u itself. It is drwx-- . That means that "jung" cannot read the /u directory in order to find the /u/jung directory. change the mode on /u to drwxr-xr-x (chmod 755 /u) and it should work. > > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT > > Administrative Services Group > > HealthMarkets(r) > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: chdir to home directory gives Permission Denied
I should have included that: OMVS INFORMATION UID= 000907 HOME= /u/jung PROGRAM= /bin/sh CPUTIMEMAX= NONE ASSIZEMAX= NONE FILEPROCMAX= NONE PROCUSERMAX= NONE THREADSMAX= NONE MMAPAREAMAX= NONE i -- Original Message -- Received: 03:40 PM COT, 08/26/2009 From: "Barkow, Eileen" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: chdir to home directory gives Permission Denied > The user needs the OMVS segment in the RACF user profile. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ian S. Worthington > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:37 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: chdir to home directory gives Permission Denied > > I've got a user who, when they attempt to access OMVS, receives: > > FSUM2384 No session was started. The system cannot set the current working > dire > ctory to the specified home directory for this user ID. > > Function = chdir(), directory name = '/u/jung', return value = -1, errno = 111 > ( > X'006F'), reason code = 5B4B0002, message = 'EDC5111I Permission denied.' > > > >>>> FSUM2331 The session has ended. Press to end OMVS. > > > > This is accompanied on the syslog by: > > ICH408I USER(JUNG) GROUP(BEDFORD ) NAME(JUNG) 911 > /u/jung CL(DIRSRCH ) FID(01C2C5C4C6F0F10002130003) > INSUFFICIENT AUTHORITY TO LOOKUP > ACCESS INTENT(--X) ACCESS ALLOWED(OTHER ---) > EFFECTIVE UID(000907) EFFECTIVE GID(000501) > ICH408I USER(JUNG) GROUP(BEDFORD ) NAME(JUNG) 912 > /u/jung CL(DIRSRCH ) FID(01C2C5C4C6F0F10002130003) > INSUFFICIENT AUTHORITY TO LOOKUP > ACCESS INTENT(--X) ACCESS ALLOWED(OTHER ---) > EFFECTIVE UID(000907) EFFECTIVE GID(000501) > > > Looking at their home directory it appears to be set up the same as all other > users, viz: > > IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >ls -al /u > total 224 > drwx-- 14 START1 SYS18192 Aug 26 11:01 . > drwxr-xr-x 13 START1 SYS18192 Mar 3 07:21 .. > . > . > . > drwxr-xr-x 2 JUNG SYS18192 Aug 26 11:01 jung > > > IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >id jung > uid=907(JUNG) gid=501(BEDFORD) > > > Which all looks fine: /u/jung has u=x (in fact a=x), but the syslog message > suggests it doesn't. > > Anyone got any thoughts? > > > ian > .. > > Ian S. Worthington, MBCS. > > me: http://isw.me.uk/ > photos: http://gallery.isw.me.uk/ > > > Free 2GB online backups: > https://mozy.com/?code=HJW4C8 (code gets you 256MB extra) > > Web hosting and support from $2.99/month: > www.cirtexhosting.com/affiliates/idevaffiliate.php?id=463 > > > Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et > dulcissimus pro patria biber. Ergo, bibiamo pro salute patriae. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
chdir to home directory gives Permission Denied
I've got a user who, when they attempt to access OMVS, receives: FSUM2384 No session was started. The system cannot set the current working dire ctory to the specified home directory for this user ID. Function = chdir(), directory name = '/u/jung', return value = -1, errno = 111 ( X'006F'), reason code = 5B4B0002, message = 'EDC5111I Permission denied.' >>>> FSUM2331 The session has ended. Press to end OMVS. This is accompanied on the syslog by: ICH408I USER(JUNG) GROUP(BEDFORD ) NAME(JUNG) 911 /u/jung CL(DIRSRCH ) FID(01C2C5C4C6F0F10002130003) INSUFFICIENT AUTHORITY TO LOOKUP ACCESS INTENT(--X) ACCESS ALLOWED(OTHER ---) EFFECTIVE UID(000907) EFFECTIVE GID(000501) ICH408I USER(JUNG) GROUP(BEDFORD ) NAME(JUNG) 912 /u/jung CL(DIRSRCH ) FID(01C2C5C4C6F0F10002130003) INSUFFICIENT AUTHORITY TO LOOKUP ACCESS INTENT(--X) ACCESS ALLOWED(OTHER ---) EFFECTIVE UID(000907) EFFECTIVE GID(000501) Looking at their home directory it appears to be set up the same as all other users, viz: IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >ls -al /u total 224 drwx-- 14 START1 SYS18192 Aug 26 11:01 . drwxr-xr-x 13 START1 SYS18192 Mar 3 07:21 .. . . . drwxr-xr-x 2 JUNG SYS18192 Aug 26 11:01 jung IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >id jung uid=907(JUNG) gid=501(BEDFORD) Which all looks fine: /u/jung has u=x (in fact a=x), but the syslog message suggests it doesn't. Anyone got any thoughts? ian ... Ian S. Worthington, MBCS. me: http://isw.me.uk/ photos: http://gallery.isw.me.uk/ Free 2GB online backups: https://mozy.com/?code=HJW4C8 (code gets you 256MB extra) Web hosting and support from $2.99/month: www.cirtexhosting.com/affiliates/idevaffiliate.php?id=463 Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimus pro patria biber. Ergo, bibiamo pro salute patriae. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Death of Servers and Software
Everything is going to the cloud now. It's the new buzzword so everything else has to die to accommodate "The Cloud". -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM-MAIN PeopleSoft Process Scheduler, DB2 and USS [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
We are installing PeopleSoft on z/OS 1.8 with DB2 V8. When we try to start the process scheduler we get the following messages: Time allotted to check status of Scheduler expired. This may be due to the time to load all the libraries. The process scheduler actually starts and we can run processes through the web interface. When we try to stop the process scheduler, we get a message saying the process scheduler isn't running. I searched back through the IBM-MAIN archives and found a message from Jerry Fuchs (Aug 2008) saying he was getting the same messages trying to start PeopleSoft process scheduler after they upgraded DB2 to V8 but there were no replies to his query. Any ideas? (Hopefully Jerry is still on this list and can tell me how they resolved this.) Ian Buckham Australian Department of Veterans' Affairs -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
TechTarget Mainframe Survey
Techtarget is running a survey on Mainframe usage etc. The first 2 or 3 pages is boring stuff but it is worth it to get to the real mainframe questions. Link = http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583 I'm posting it here to make sure they get the right audience for the survey. The Mainframe Computer - a high-performance computer used for large-scale computing purposes that require greater availability and security than a smaller-scale machines - is a paradigm in today's data center. Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls your server world. In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution of your network between mainframe, windows and cloud, as well the impact the mainframe has on your distributed applications. Click here to take this 10 minute survey, supply your direct feedback and enter to win one of two iPod giveaways: http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583 Please note that this survey follows the TechTarget Survey Terms and Conditions found here. In other words, here's some fun lawyer speak if you're interested: http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764677/1317583 -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MQ Monitor
Bill Visit http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/index.php. There you will find a lot of user information on MQ monitors. Ian http://www.cicsworld.com On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > We are looking at 3 monitors for MQ. Can anyone provide a recommendation > for any of them? > > Q Pasa from MQ Software > TMON for MQ from ASG > IBM's Tivoli product. (Omegamon MQ) > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What (More) Open Source Software for z/OS?
I don't think IBM needs to nor will they open z/OS, CICS etc. All they have to do is make it freely available to developers. Like they do with DB2 Express and W.A.S. Community Edition. Give us z/OS Community Edition and a CICS Community Edition. http://www.cicsworld.com/node/140 Ian On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Ron Wells wrote: > MVS use to be open. It would not have gotten very far without the aid > of others back in the 60's/70's early 80's--- Before Microsoft started > it's lock down.. > > and yes > > would be a big benefit having it open again ... > > -- > Email Disclaimer > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, > which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx
I was looking for this very manual last week when I had some training to do, but to no avail. Anyone know where I might find a copy? i -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:25:02 PM COT From: P S To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Rexx > the one I remember (from 25 years ago, but why would it > have been redone?) was three-pass: with each pass, you'd go deeper > into the language, but with the stuff from the previous pass(s) *right > there* where you could find it easily. Great stuff. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Stems as associative memory (Was: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX)
This is a really nice example of the use stems can be put to once one stops thinking of them as arrays. To my mind though it contains one potential bug -- it depends on FORMAT and MNENO remaining uninitialized. I would prefer to prefix such symbols with, eg, a 0 to make sure they couldn't be, eg 0FORMAT and 0MNEMO. Or, in programs with more complex lookups, I would often be more explicit: 0Opcode2Mnemonic and 0Opcode2Format, which helps me to remember what to put in as as well as what (should) come out: useful as my memory fades... i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:51:09 AM COT From: Arthur Fichtl To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Stems as associative memory (Was: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX) > One sort of applying this technique of stems is to use the as > associative memory - where the content of a storage location is used as > an address. Ther rules for resolving elements of a stem variable state > that all parts after the first part of a stem are subject to be resolved. > As shown in ISDA (the small interactive disassembler in cbttape), which > is completely written in Rexx, it works as folllows: > > Consider a hexcode sequence containing the following (hex)-characters: > 0E1A > this is resolved to: > MVCL R1,R10 > > Internally it is accomplished by looking for the symbolic representation > of x'0E' : > OPCODE.0E.FORMAT = 'RR' ; OPCODE.0E.MNEMO = 'MVCL' > > the Rexx-instructions are: > Inst_Form = getInstruction_Format(hexaopcod) > . > . > . > getInstruction_Format: > arg hxo /* hexadecimal Opcode */ > oform = opcode.hxo.fomat > return oform /*returns 'RR'*/ > > . > . > . > IMnemo = opcode.hxo.mnemo /* IMenmo = 'MVCL' */ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX
Paul -- What you say, viz: "Misusing "default" to describe the universal assignment can mislead the reader to believe that the construct merely defines a value to be used for members otherwise undefined." is absolutely true, but I would hazard a guess, based on my own 20+ years of rexx experience, that the vast majority of programmers only use, if they use at it at all, the construction x. = 'something' at the top of their programs, and then never change it. Is calling that a "default" strictly accurate? Of course not. But in the context of the original discussion, "does rexx support multi-dimensional arrays?" I think that to describe it otherwise in a list of additional features which might be of interest to a newcomer would be a severe case of TMI. BTW, Unless I've misunderstood your point, I'm not sure that your sample program demonstrates the language feature we're discussing. (x. = 'universal' perhaps?) i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:55:22 AM COT From: Paul Gilmartin To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:11:23 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > > >Ian S. Worthington wrote: > >> I'm aware of the distinction, but have always felt that that's a fairly > >> reasonable working definition of "default", at least up until a reassignment. > > > >I suspect that he considers the language assignment of the > >upper-cased variable name to be the default, hence the distinction? > > > While that's true, it's the lesser concern. Misusing "default" > to describe the universal assignment can mislead the reader to > believe that the construct merely defines a value to be used > for members otherwise undefined. With this assumption, readers > of the following program: > > /* Rexx */ signal on novalue; /* > Universal assignment is not a "default value". > */ > trace R > > X.42 = 'specific ' > say symbol( 'X.42' ) value( 'X.42' ) > > X.42 = 'universal' > say symbol( 'X.42' ) value( 'X.42' ) > > drop X.42 > say symbol( 'X.42' ) value( 'X.42' ) > > .. may expect incorrect results from the second and/or third > "say" instructions. This is more likely for readers with > some programming experience, who are likely to make incorrect > and oversimplified assumptions about the implementation > mechanism. Even IBM developers have fallen victim: at one > point an attempt to optimize storage management caused Rexx > to give incorrect results for the third "say" instruction. > This appears to have been repaired by APAR. > > --gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SCSIDISC SAMPEXEC on z/VM 5.4.0
Sounds even worse than the example I found a few years back of a supplied sample (to do Shark analysis?) which required SAS. i -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:07:13 PM COT From: Raymond Noal To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SCSIDISC SAMPEXEC on z/VM 5.4.0 > Dear List Members: > > Just to save you some time and grief, I'm passing this along. > > We have just started using FCP devices for our Linux (SuSE & Red Hat) > virtual machines running under our z/VM 5.4.0 system. In order to verify > our hardware configuration and our switch configurations, I was able to > use the SCSIDISC SAMPEXEC program found on MAINT's 2CC mini disk. To my > surprise, the SCSIDISC SAMPEXEC is not REXX source code, but instead it > is compiled REXX. I requested a copy of the REXX source for SCSIDISC, > but IBM will not release the source code. A dark day in VM-land, for > sure. > > As I said, just an FYI. > > HITACHI > DATA SYSTEMS > Raymond E. Noal > Senior Technical Engineer > Office: (408) 970 - 7978 > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX
I'm aware of the distinction, but have always felt that that's a fairly reasonable working definition of "default", at least up until a reassignment. i -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:39:27 PM COT From: Paul Gilmartin To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:21:31 -0500, Ian S. Worthington wrote: > > >Regrettably you can only set a default for the stem as a whole, not for a > >subset of the variable space. > > > It is *not* a default, and Rexx documentation avoids > the possibly misleading use of "default" by a correct > description that: > > X. = 'blank' > > assigns [in effect] the value 'blank' to every possible > member of the compound variable with stem X. > > Not only freshman and sophomore Rexx programmers fail to > understand this, but even IBM developers have caused a > violation of the specification by introducing a > misconceived optimization. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX
Regrettably you can only set a default for the stem as a whole, not for a subset of the variable space. Its one of my pet peeves. i -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:08:19 PM COT From: "Patrick O'Keefe" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:48:10 -0500, Ian S. Worthington > wrote: > > >>> It implements them as a conceptual subset of stems, and > >>> they are indexed with strings rather than by integers which > >>>actually makes them rather more powerful once one breaks > >>>out of the array mindset. > > >> I'm not sure what you mean by the "array mindset"? > > >I refer to the tendency of programmers new to rexx stems, but > >familiar with hll arrays, to reduce their (non-numerical) problem > >to one of integral indices into arrays rather than make full use > >of the rexx stem facility. > >... > > I'm not new to REXX stems nor recently familiar with HLL arrays, > but *still* make REXX blunders based on array-think. > It's seductive. > > An individual compound variable can be assigned a value, and the > stem can be assigned a value. That's all there is with REXX stems. > You cannot assign a value to a "row" or a "column" (or any other > more abstract partitioning of the compound variable space) no > matter how much you might want to. > > I conceptually had a very non-array-like structure > BASE.i > BASE.key.n > Where i and n were integers and key was alphanumeric. > I wanted all BASE.key.n to be set to the value of key for a fixed set > of keys. But what I wanted doesn't count for much. > > FOO."BAR". = "BAR" is invalid. :-( > > I think my attempted logic came more from wishful thinking than > from any knowledge of HLL array processing. Even if more powerful > that arrays, there are limits to compund varaible processing in REXX. > > Pat O'Keefe > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX
I refer to the tendency of programmers new to rexx stems, but familiar with hll arrays, to reduce their (non-numerical) problem to one of integral indices into arrays rather than make full use of the rexx stem facility. i -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:29:58 AM COT From: Gerhard Postpischil To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX > Ian S. Worthington wrote: > > It implements them as a conceptual subset of stems, and they are indexed with > > strings rather than by integers which actually makes them rather more powerful > > once one breaks out of the array mindset. > > "All generalities are false" (?) > > I'm not sure what you mean by the "array mindset"? Do you > seriously advocate solving a determinant by defining it as > DET.ONE.ONE, DET.ONE.TWO, etc. rather than DET.1.1, etc.? I > don't consider this a mindset, but rather a prudent approach > (and I realize that the computation in ForTran or PL/I would be > faster, but could also be less accurate). > > Gerhard Postpischil > Bradford, VT > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX
Terry -- Subtle language gotchas, as previously discussed, not withstanding, the practical upshot is that yes, rexx *does* support multidimensional arrays, and sparse ones with default values to boot. It implements them as a conceptual subset of stems, and they are indexed with strings rather than by integers which actually makes them rather more powerful once one breaks out of the array mindset. I've been using them for years without any problems. i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:10:37 PM COT From: Terry Sambrooks To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Multi-dimensional arrays in REXX > Hi, > > I have done a search of the archives, and read the relevant REXX manuals and > am left with a need for a second opinion on my conclusion. > > The question I have been asked relates to whether REXX supports > multi-dimensional arrays. There is a lot of discussion in the manuals about > single dimension arrays a.k.a. STEM variables, but additional dimensions are > not covered which leads me to conclude that multi-dimensional arrays are not > supported. > > I know this question is better directed at the REXX New Group, but I feel > sure that there is enough expertise available here to confirm my assessment > or correct any erroneous view I may have formed. > > Kind regards - Terry > > > Terry Sambrooks > Director > KMS-IT Limited > 228 Abbeydale Road South > Dore, Sheffield, S17 3LA, UK > > Tel: +44 (0)114 262 0933 > WEB: www.legac-e.co.uk > > Company Reg: 3767263 at the above address > > All outgoing E-mail is scanned, but it remains the recipient's > responsibility to ensure their system is protected from spy-ware, trojans, > viruses, and worms. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question on REXX stem
Don't beat yourself up. Stems are powerful, but as you're discovering have some non-obvious gotcha's. It looks like you're still thinking of them as numerically-indexed arrays. They're not: you can use anything as an "index" including strings (yes, with spaces), and even constants to hold data in a structure you can pass around. For example I regularly use $. to hold global data -- each of my procedures then does an expose $. to access it. Data items within the global area can include constants, for example true and false (if you want to make your programs more readable). BUT don't try this: $.true = 1 $.false = 0 If you do, and then you create the variables true or false, you'll use the *contents* of them to index the stem, *not* the names. To avoid this, prefix the name with a numeric, which is illegal for a variable name, eg: $.0true = 1 $.0false = 0 (This is a trivial example of course, but hopefully you see the point.) i -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:35:36 AM COT From: Paul Ip To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: question on REXX stem > > Maybe I should try more before I ask... all the solutions provided here are > easy but I just can't figure it out... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OOREXX and USS/TSO
Did you check out the group suggested? http://www.mail-archive.com/oorexx-de...@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00299.html i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:39:46 AM COT From: Itschak Mugzach To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: OOREXX and USS/TSO > This is the point. I am not sure about the z/os side, but USS is fully posix > compliance and OOREXX claimed to run on UNIX . I just wonder if the address > command will work (like ISPEXEC, TSO, etc). I am looking for someone that > already passed this route > > Regards, > > Itschak > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Martin Packer wrote: > > > Not very java like... > > > > It's Classic REXX with object-oriented extensions. Sadly the GUI stuff is > > only for Windows (at least out of the box). > > > > More importantly it OUGHT to be ported to z/OS, preferably not just USS. > > Volunteers? > > > > Martin > > > > Martin Packer > > Performance Consultant > > IBM United Kingdom Ltd > > +44-20-8832-5167 > > +44-7802-245-584 > > > > email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com > > > > Twitter ID: MartinPacker > > > > "They're figuring out that collaboration isn't a productivity hit, it > > makes them smarter." Sam Palmisano on BlogCentral, 26 November 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless stated otherwise above: > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > > 741598. > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SMB client on z/os 1.4?
I need to be able to access some file on a Windows system from z/os 1.4 USS. I think I can do this either via an SMB client (if z/os 1.4 has one) or NFS (if I install a NFS server on Windows). Or maybe there's some way of rerouting via my linux system which already has the links in place but doesn't seem to want to forward the data. Anyone have any experience of these options and is able to advise? I've looked for SMB client information and come up short, so any pointers welcome. ian ... Ian S. Worthington, MBCS. me: http://isw.me.uk/ photos: http://gallery.isw.me.uk/ Free 2GB online backups: https://mozy.com/?code=HJW4C8 (code gets you 256MB extra) Web hosting and support from $2.99/month: www.cirtexhosting.com/affiliates/idevaffiliate.php?id=463 Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimus pro patria biber. Ergo, bibiamo pro salute patriae. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Anyone know of self-help type 'stuff' for learning z/OS
Given a bit of focus on direction I would have said that http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html et al provided a good start. Or at least a better one than telling their new trainees to read POP for 40 hours/week, as one of my customers tried. Amazingly they didn't all quit. i -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:34:14 PM COT From: Shane To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone know of self-help type 'stuff' for learning z/OS > On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 11:05 -0500, Angelo Corridori wrote: > > > With regard to trying to learn about z/OS on your own, I guess it is > > possible, but it is daunting. > > Now that has to qualify as an early nomination for understatement of the > year. > > Shane ... > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hello Sir, I Am Arun, Now i am Working in Mainframe... Actually i am new to this i want to know the basic concepts and all could anyone suggest me website or materiel....
I hadn't come across that before. A somewhat eclectic collection of material. I think Arun would be well advised to narrow down his request for danger of being overwhelmed. Give us a bit more information Arun? i -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:27:33 AM COT From: Tommy Tsui To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Hello Sir, I Am Arun, Now i am Working in Mainframe... Actually i am new to this i want to know the basic concepts and all could anyone suggest me website or materiel > hi Arun, > > try this web site. IBM education assistant, it may help u > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/stgv1r0/index.jsp > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Arun shan wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Arun shan wrote: > > > >> Hello Sir, > >> I Am Arun, Now i am Working in Mainframe... > >> Actually i am new to this i want to know the basic concepts and all > >> could anyone suggest me website or materiel > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: > >> > >>> I just got off the phone with IBMLINK help desk. What an experience. > >>> > >>> Many users are getting SPR0 1008 on the LIST ETR screen as well as others. > >>> > >>> IBM is diligently working on this issue. > >>> > >>> Lizette > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Subject: IBMLINK Issues? > >>> > > >>> >I keep getting Data base errors trying to list ETRs. > >>> > > >>> >Is anyone else having this problem? > >>> > > >>> >Lizette > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > >>> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Arun.s > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Arun.s > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Media conversion providers?
Steve -- Not to answer your question but have you a plan what you're going to do with that data once you get it on readable media? Can you run applications that can process it on your new platform? i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:00:04 AM COT From: Steve Horein To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Media conversion providers? > Hi listers, > Our core mainframe business application was sunset on 12/31/2008, with our > data migrating from the z platform to an SAP solution. Now we are faced with > what to do with data on tape (3490/3490E). Our mix of data on tape consist of > backups utilizing CA Faver, CA Disk, CA's DB2 Management Tools (formally > Platinum) for DB2 Image Copies, and IDP's FDR, as well as Application data that > contains packed data. Is there a recommended service provided that can > convert/transfer from the 3490 media to another (possibly LTO)? Our 'frame > (and probably myself) will be hauled out the door on 3/31/2009, so time is a > factor should RYO methods be the only recourse. Thanks for any suggestions! > > Thanks, > Steve Horein > Sr. Systems Programmer > Houghton Mifflin Harcourt > (407)-345-2680 - Office > (407)-963-7706 - Mobile > steve.hor...@hmhpub.com > steve.hor...@gmail.com* > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
AQ .v. A4 ( was Re: C without LE
It always amazes me that whilst IBM engineering does appear to have managed to grasp metric, documentation is still sized in rods, poles, and perches. IBM, at one time the world's second largest publisher, had the ability to sort that out. >From our office in WT I used to send out our documentation sized to the minimum of the AQ and A4 dimensions so our local users could reproduce it on whatever they had to hand. Like peas and honey it looked a bit odd but did the trick. i -- Original Message -- Received: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:42:49 AM COT From: Barbara Nitz To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: C without LE > ngAs for: > >I can only remember it was from Europe and had a dickens of a time because their doc was in A4 > >(page size) format and it was hell getting it converted to the US size. > Forgive me for saying that, but do you think the rest of the world likes to be forced to use some strange format that doesn't fit any paper we have available? It is actually nice for a change to speak my own language with them. :-) > > Regards, Barbara Nitz > > -- > Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL > für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3270 screen size with Attachmate Extra!
Neither in mine (Enterprise 2000). Though it does sound familiar. Perhaps it pertains to an earlier version? i -- Original Message -- Received: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:28:42 AM COT From: "George.William" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 3270 screen size with Attachmate Extra! > Thanks Steve > > However, when I click OPTIONS there is not an option for TERMINAL. > Maybe your description is for a later version of Attachmate Extra! than I have (6.71). > > Bill > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu]on > Behalf Of Thompson, Steve > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: 3270 screen size with Attachmate Extra! > > Yes, you can set up for custom sizes. > > Bring up a session and disconnect it (that is, from the "host") using > the tool bar (the icon that looks like a switch). > > Now click on the OPTIONS at the top of the screen (probably above the > tool bar). > > Select TERMINAL and then 3270. > > Now where it says 3270 model, scroll it down and select custom. > > Now the Rows and Columns boxes should be modifiable. Set 'em to what you > like. > > Save this profile and then hit the connection button (in the tool bar). > > Lastly, make sure that the VTAM defs are in place for this to work (I've > been gone from this area too long, can't tell you what you have to > specify or where). > > Regards, > Steve Thompson > > -- Opinions expressed by this poster are not necessarily those of > poster's employer, and should not be taken as such. -- > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > __ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3270 screen size with Attachmate Extra!
I've used Extra for many years and never had that problem. But I too would be very interested in knowing how to define non-standard screen sizes. i -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:52:39 PM COT From: P S To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 3270 screen size with Attachmate Extra! > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Bill George wrote: > > Does anyone know if it is possible with Attachmate's Extra! (I have version > > 6.71) to modify the screen size to something other than the standard models > > (2,3,4,5)? I was able to do this with PComm and Vista and change to 60X162 > > but now I am stuck with Extra!. > > I don't know, because I gave up on Extra when I found that typing too > fast caused it to crash consistently. Gee, a terminal emulator that > you can't type on... > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Emulators
My bad! yes I had my Friday glasses on :-) On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Patrick O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:13:01 -0500, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >x3270 http://x3270.bgp.nu/ > >It runs on all platforms and is opensource and free. > >... > > If I understand the original poster, he wants a mainframe emulator, > not a 3270 emulator. You're giving him the wrong end of the > connection. > > Pat O'Keefe > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Emulators
x3270 http://x3270.bgp.nu/ It runs on all platforms and is opensource and free. -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Ram Balaji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there any free?Mainframe(JCL,CICS) simulators available for desktop PC? > They say NEXUS terminal is free nut I cant find a working host name/ Ip > address for it... > > > Regards, > Ram Balaji.S. > (Dying Hard to explore Mainframes) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any other Tools can replace APPC suites from IBM (withdraw support using SNA protocol)
Is it just file transfer you're worried about doing in the absence of IP? If so, from where to where? Options might include: MF <> WS: ind$file MF <> MF: RSCS i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:20:01 AM BST From: Tommy Tsui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Any other Tools can replace APPC suites from IBM (withdraw support using SNA protocol) > hi all, > Assume the TCPIP FTP PORT is not open yet and only SNA transmission is > avaiable for mainframe. any other tools that can replace the APPC suite? > > > thanks > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MIPS /day
instructions/time/time? That's acceleration. Either they've got a very serious problem or its not being reported properly. i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:13:00 AM BST From: Miklos Szigetvari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: MIPS /day > Hi > > MIPS topic again: > One of our customer has reported that our (long runing) server > application is using 500 MIPS /day. > How to understand this, and is there any standard tool to generate a > report like this(i.e how many MIPS has used ) > > -- > Miklos Szigetvari > > Development Team > ISIS Information Systems Gmbh > tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 > Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 > > Visit our Website: http://www.isis-papyrus.com > --- > This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally > binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or > disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. > This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS accepts > no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. > --- > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Wow! Rockin' & Rollin' & the Mainframe Stayed Up!
Had a couple in Delhi when we were installing the Indian Airlines res system. The first just gently rocked the bed around consistent with too much libation. The next though was on a Friday afternoon in the office - a tin roofed shack at the end of the runway: I could have sworn I was about to be taken out by a jet - the noise was unbelievable. And a couple in Bogotá as well, at night again: very gentle. Nothing which bothered the machines. i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:15:47 PM BST From: Eric Bielefeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Wow! Rockin' & Rollin' & the Mainframe Stayed Up! > Gee, the only time I ever was in an earthquake, I slept through it. They > had one several months ago in Illinois. I hear they felt it in Milwaukee, > and a few people who were awake felt it in Des Moines, where I was at the > time. My brother-in-law felt it on the farm near Platteville in southwest > Wisconsin. I think I'd rather be farther away from the California fault > lines rather than closer! > > Eric Bielefeld > Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer > Milwaukee, Wisconsin > 414-475-7434 > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Statistics when writing PDS members
I do something similar for REXEC calls which have to be directed to TSO via USS (don't ask): there's a tso only flavour for normal rexx, and a tso+ispf flavour for those execs that use ispf services. The delta is the alloc of the libraries and we've never had any performance issues with them. And I'm a great believer in the right interface for the right job: If something is exposed through a particular interface, then choose that rather then rewriting it because you know it won't be quite right, and it will break at some point down the road. Usually after you've left and someone else has to pick up the pieces. i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:20 PM BST From: "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian S. Worthington > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:26 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > > > > iirc the stats are an ISPF feature. No ISPF: no stats, QED. > > No, ISPF statistics are just kept in the member's directory entry, in > the "user" area. They are a convention for the use of this area. > Anything can create or use them. > > > > > But what's the issue with ispf? Its just a few more libraries in the > > concatenation. > > > > i > > Overhead. You must set up a TSO environment, then set up an ISPF > environment under it. I do this, believe it or not, in a UNIX REXX CGI > which is run from a Web page. It is not difficult, but it does have some > fairly hefty overhead. > > -- > John McKown > Senior Systems Programmer > HealthMarkets > Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage > Administrative Services Group > Information Technology > > The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged > and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, > reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is > strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal > offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the > sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing > it. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Statistics when writing PDS members
For sure. But does anything else apart from ispf interpret that data? i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:38:30 PM BST From: Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > Ian S. Worthington wrote: > > iirc the stats are an ISPF feature. No ISPF: no stats, QED. > > > > These "stats" are just normal user data in a PDS directory entry. Any > program issuing STOW can create/update them. > > -- > Edward E Jaffe > Phoenix Software International, Inc > 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 > Los Angeles, CA 90045 > 310-338-0400 x318 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Statistics when writing PDS members
iirc the stats are an ISPF feature. No ISPF: no stats, QED. But what's the issue with ispf? Its just a few more libraries in the concatenation. i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:03:13 PM BST From: Itschak Mugzach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > It Runs under ISPF... No ISPF. No TSO is the basic requirement. > > ITschak > > > | Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software | > | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mob: +972 522 986404 | Skype: Itschak > Mugzach | Web: www.Securiteam.co.il | > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Ian S. Worthington > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:32 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > > Is there no way of calling LMMSTATS from C++? > > i > > -- Original Message -- > Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:21:55 PM BST > From: Itschak Mugzach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > > > Kirk, > > > > I don't know an interface, but you can open the PDS as a sequential > > file > and > > read the directory until you get ZZ (if I remember correctly). Don't > > know what will happen if you'll try to write it back..., but I presume > > that if > it > > conforms to the PDS directory format, it will be OK. > > > > Itschak > > > > > > | Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software | > > | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mob: +972 522 986404 | Skype: > > | Itschak > > Mugzach | Web: www.Securiteam.co.il | > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:14 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Subject: Statistics when writing PDS members > > > > I'm working on some code written in C++ (with some assembler) that > > does I/O to Unix files and z/OS datasets using the C library. > > The C library supports writing PDS members, but it doesn't supporting > adding > > ISPF-style member statistics. > > > > I'm looking for suggestions on how to create statistics for a member > > that I add or update. Of course, I could rewrite all of the PDS I/O > > in assembler, but I'd rather not. It would be nice if there were a > > callable service that would just update the directory and add > > statistics, with the restriction that my code really can't require a > > TSO TMP or ISPF environment. Also, I assume that updating a member > > with statistics is expensive since it would probably have to rewrite > > the whole directory to expand the directory entry length. > > > > On a related question, I know that it is customary when adding or > > updating PDS members for code to allocate the dataset with DISP=SHR > > and then to use the ISPF ENQ protocols for serializing the directory > > and member names. Our plan is to allow this method, or to allow > > DISP=OLD allocation of the dataset.My question is this: which > > technique should be the default? > > > > Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Kirk Wolf > > Dovetailed Technologies > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > __ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the > archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > __ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Statistics when writing PDS members
Is there no way of calling LMMSTATS from C++? i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:21:55 PM BST From: Itschak Mugzach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Statistics when writing PDS members > Kirk, > > I don't know an interface, but you can open the PDS as a sequential file and > read the directory until you get ZZ (if I remember correctly). Don't know > what will happen if you'll try to write it back..., but I presume that if it > conforms to the PDS directory format, it will be OK. > > Itschak > > > | Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software | > | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mob: +972 522 986404 | Skype: Itschak > Mugzach | Web: www.Securiteam.co.il | > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Kirk Wolf > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Statistics when writing PDS members > > I'm working on some code written in C++ (with some assembler) that does I/O > to Unix files and z/OS datasets using the C library. > The C library supports writing PDS members, but it doesn't supporting adding > ISPF-style member statistics. > > I'm looking for suggestions on how to create statistics for a member that I > add or update. Of course, I could rewrite all of the PDS I/O in assembler, > but I'd rather not. It would be nice if there were a callable service that > would just update the directory and add statistics, with the restriction > that my code really can't require a > TSO TMP or ISPF environment. Also, I assume that updating a member > with statistics is expensive since it would probably have to rewrite the > whole directory to expand the directory entry length. > > On a related question, I know that it is customary when adding or updating > PDS members for code to allocate the dataset with DISP=SHR and then to use > the ISPF ENQ protocols for serializing the directory > and member names. Our plan is to allow this method, or to allow > DISP=OLD allocation of the dataset.My question is this: which > technique should be the default? > > Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Kirk Wolf > Dovetailed Technologies > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the > archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > __ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: (your name here) is out of the office.
Anyone who elects to send the dates of their vacation, along with their phone number and approximate home location to a public list is letting themselves in for a lot more pain then just the annoyance of their fellow listees. i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:18:15 PM BST From: Howard Brazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: (your name here) is out of the office. > On 29 Jul 2008 07:11:55 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, > John) wrote: > > >Most email clients can filter them. Mine can, but apparently only if it > >is written in English with specific phrasing. > > Most people don't want to filter "real" messages from co-workers who > turn the "out of office" assistant on. Just those from external > lists such as this one. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/VM Evaluation Edition Now Available
I haven't read the license conditions, but if its just a technical limitation you could try running it under hercules under linux or your z9: iirc hercules can do z10 emulation these days. i -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:38:44 AM BST From: Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM Evaluation Edition Now Available > >> Now I realize that IBM has valid reasons for the limitation ... > > >What are the valid reasons? Why not z9 as well? > > It should be available for any supported processor that runs the OS! > > IBM always comes up short on this kind of stuff! > > - > Too busy driving to stop for gas! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Tracing USS IP flows
I've been asked to look at some problems communicating with an application running under USS from a z/linux system. Symptoms seem to be that the input's arriving and being processed, but the reply message isn't making it back. What's the best way of tracing ip comms under uss? When I used to do this before it was get a vtam buffer trace, but I'm not sure if there's a better way under uss. Suggestions welcome. ian ... Ian S. Worthington, MBCS. me: http://isw.me.uk/ photos: http://gallery.isw.me.uk/ Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimus pro patria biber. Ergo, bibiamo pro salute patriae. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS
Thanks Bill. There was nothing in the log but the make did have the option to specify a steplib, which fixed it. btw I think it was your site I where found that smp/e uses bpxcopy to process hfs elements. Thanks, i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:31:31 PM BST From: Big Iron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS > I think that IBMZINN is a Enterprise PL/I compiler module. Is it possible > that this module isn't in linklist? Otherwise, you should check the SYSLOG > in case there are program fetch messages that are more informative. > > Bill > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:13:46 +0100, Ian S. Worthington > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I installed the adcd. I'm pretty sure its complete. > > > >I've made some progress with this. > > > >BPXCOPY is the utility smp/e calls with > > > > LINK '../bin/pli' > > PARM PATHMODE(0,7,5,5) > > > >and PATH: '/usr/lpp/pli/IBM/' > > > >That hfs is mounted r/o and I can't modify it at the moment, so I've copied it > >to my own userid. Worryingly invoking it with no arguments gives: > > > >IBM0590S ONCODE=9250 The fetchable procedure with entry IBMZINN could not be > >found. From entry point INVOKE_COMPILER at compile unit offset +039C at > >en > >try offset +039C at address 0750AB8C > >Ý1¨ + Done(137) pli > >65659 Killed /tpf/pli/pli > > > >but I'm retrying the make in the vain hope that that's just the way pl/i tells > >me it doesn't have an input file. > > > >i > > > > > >-- Original Message -- > >Received: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:37:46 PM BST > >From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > >Subject: Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS > > > >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:57:06 +0100, Ian S. Worthington > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> >Thanks Bill. > >> > > >> >There's no DDDEF for IBMPLI3, but there is one for SIBMZHFS pointing to > >> >PATH: '/usr/lpp/pli/IBM/', which doesn't exist: > >> > > >> >IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >cd /usr/lpp/pli > >> >IBMUSER:/V1R4M0/usr/lpp/pli: >ls -l > >> >total 0 > >> > > >> > >> Guess you would need a response from another person who has a > >> z/OS 1.4 ADCD system to see if it comes with it. Were you the installer? > >> What about the doc with the ADCD system. Perhaps the CD with the > >> misc. HFS files just wasn't loaded. > >> > >> Mark > >> -- > >> Mark Zelden > >> Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead > >> Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO > >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> z/OS Systems Programming expert at > >http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ > >> Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > >> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > >> > >> > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS
I installed the adcd. I'm pretty sure its complete. I've made some progress with this. BPXCOPY is the utility smp/e calls with LINK '../bin/pli' PARM PATHMODE(0,7,5,5) and PATH: '/usr/lpp/pli/IBM/' That hfs is mounted r/o and I can't modify it at the moment, so I've copied it to my own userid. Worryingly invoking it with no arguments gives: IBM0590S ONCODE=9250 The fetchable procedure with entry IBMZINN could not be found. From entry point INVOKE_COMPILER at compile unit offset +039C at en try offset +039C at address 0750AB8C Ý1¨ + Done(137) pli 65659 Killed /tpf/pli/pli but I'm retrying the make in the vain hope that that's just the way pl/i tells me it doesn't have an input file. i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:37:46 PM BST From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:57:06 +0100, Ian S. Worthington > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Thanks Bill. > > > >There's no DDDEF for IBMPLI3, but there is one for SIBMZHFS pointing to > >PATH: '/usr/lpp/pli/IBM/', which doesn't exist: > > > >IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >cd /usr/lpp/pli > >IBMUSER:/V1R4M0/usr/lpp/pli: >ls -l > >total 0 > > > > Guess you would need a response from another person who has a > z/OS 1.4 ADCD system to see if it comes with it. Were you the installer? > What about the doc with the ADCD system. Perhaps the CD with the > misc. HFS files just wasn't loaded. > > Mark > -- > Mark Zelden > Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead > Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ > Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS
Thanks Bill. There's no DDDEF for IBMPLI3, but there is one for SIBMZHFS pointing to PATH: '/usr/lpp/pli/IBM/', which doesn't exist: IBMUSER:/u/ibmuser: >cd /usr/lpp/pli IBMUSER:/V1R4M0/usr/lpp/pli: >ls -l total 0 Not withstanding that that appears to be a sibling directory of the one I expect, any idea what the utility is for transforming that member into a HFS I can mount so I can see if contains what I need, or any clues to how to get it? Thanks, i -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:20:21 AM BST From: Big Iron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS > The dataset AIBMZHFS is a distribution library. If you have the SMP/E > environment for your z/os 1.4 system, then you should be able to locate > HFS element IBMZPLI3 in your target zone. There would normally be an > HFS that contains this member; the PATH for IBMZPLI3 should provide a > clue. You might also check the program directory for Enterprise PL/I 3.1.0 > for information about the naming convention used. > > Bill > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 02:31:12 +0100, Ian S. Worthington > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I'm using a system based on the rather old adcd z/os 1.4 release. This comes > >complete with Enterprise PL/I 3.1.0 but the necessary HFS to use it under USS > >doesn't appear to be mounted at /usr/lpp/pli/bin. > > > >I've found a dataset IEL310.AIBMZHFS which contains a single member IBMZPLI3, > >tagged with the string IEWPLMH in the first bytes. > > > >I can't find any documentation on how to unpack this so I can mount it though. > >Anybody know how, or can point me in the right direction? > > > > > >ian > >.. > > > >Ian S. Worthington, MBCS. > > > >me: http://isw.me.uk/ > >photos: http://gallery.isw.me.uk/ > > > > > > > >Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et > >dulcissimus pro patria biber. Ergo, bibiamo pro salute patriae. > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Mounting Enterprise PL/I HFS
I'm using a system based on the rather old adcd z/os 1.4 release. This comes complete with Enterprise PL/I 3.1.0 but the necessary HFS to use it under USS doesn't appear to be mounted at /usr/lpp/pli/bin. I've found a dataset IEL310.AIBMZHFS which contains a single member IBMZPLI3, tagged with the string IEWPLMH in the first bytes. I can't find any documentation on how to unpack this so I can mount it though. Anybody know how, or can point me in the right direction? ian ... Ian S. Worthington, MBCS. me: http://isw.me.uk/ photos: http://gallery.isw.me.uk/ Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimus pro patria biber. Ergo, bibiamo pro salute patriae. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Fwd: Re: NFS mounts to linux for text and binary return same conversion
Many thanks John, works perfectly.
i
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Subject: Re: NFS mounts to linux for text and binary return same conversion
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian S. Worthington
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:22 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Subject: NFS mounts to linux for text and binary return same
> > conversion
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'm trying to set up two nfs mounts for text and binary files
> > from a linux
> > system to z/os.
> >
> > I'm using the following but there's no difference between the
> > files on the two
> > paths.
> >
> > "mount filesystem(xsrc) type(nfs) ",
> > " mountpoint('/xx/xsrc')",
> > " tag(text,819)",
> > " mode(read)",
> > " parm('xx.xx.xx.7:/x') "
> >
> > "mount filesystem(xbin) type(nfs) ",
> > " mountpoint('/xx/xbin')",
> > " tag(notext,65535)",
> > " mode(read)",
> > " parm('xx.xx.xx.7:/x') "
> >
> > Any suggestions most welcome.
>
> I do exactly that. I use the following TSO mount commands:
>
> MOUNT FILESYSTEM('SERVER1.ASCII') +
>MOUNTPOINT('/nfs-ascii/server1') +
>PARM('10.168.91.183:/nfs/LIH1,xlat(Y)') +
>TYPE(NFS) +
>MODE(RDWR)
> MOUNT FILESYSTEM('SERVER1.BINARY') +
>MOUNTPOINT('/nfs-binary/server1') +
>PARM('10.168.91.183:/nfs/LIH1,xlat(N)') +
>TYPE(NFS) +
>MODE(RDWR)
>
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NFS mounts to linux for text and binary return same conversion
Hi.
I'm trying to set up two nfs mounts for text and binary files from a linux
system to z/os.
I'm using the following but there's no difference between the files on the two
paths.
"mount filesystem(xsrc) type(nfs) ",
" mountpoint('/xx/xsrc')",
" tag(text,819)",
" mode(read)",
" parm('xx.xx.xx.7:/x') "
"mount filesystem(xbin) type(nfs) ",
" mountpoint('/xx/xbin')",
" tag(notext,65535)",
" mode(read)",
" parm('xx.xx.xx.7:/x') "
Any suggestions most welcome.
ian
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Re: Xephon, are they still in business?
Xephon did a great job in providing this service through the years. But in this day and age I don't see the need for an expensive service like this. If you look at the open source communities you will see lots of code and ideas freely exchanged between users. Apart from the several listservers the mainframe community is the only one that lacks this kind of open exchange of ideas and code. The listservers also provided a great servers during the years but it lacks a structured way in categorizing and storing valuable information. I think its time for us(old mainframers) to jump on the "new " age technologies like blogging, forums and wiki's to preserve our knowledge and pass it on to the next mainframe generation. -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?
Tom, I was also under the impression that new development on the mainframe was few and far between. But I ran a poll a while ago and the results was rather surprising. 28% of responded that they are developing new applications in COBOL. (Natural/adabas was 48%.) I was expecting a very low "new development" count. I'm planning on running the poll again in a few months to see if I can get a wider audience. (link http://www.cicsworld.com/node/198) Regards Ian http://www.cicsworld.com/ On 4/8/08, Tom Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >(I believe this was a major factor in the demise of COBOL; > > I just cannot resist responding to this (sorry I am so late, I was out of > the > office for 2 weeks). > > I work on the IBM COBOL compiler, and if you could see the amount of > interest, > the number of compiler licenses, the sheer number of COBOL programmers on > IBM > Mainframes doing new work everyday in COBOL, you would never say such a > thing. > > For example, we are being overwhelmed with requests to continue our > improvements > for XML support in COBOL, it has been the most quickly adopted new feature > of COBOL > in my quarter century as an IBM COBOL compiler developer. > > COBOL is more alive today than it was 10 years ago! Demise indeed... > > Cheers, > TomR >> COBOL is the Language of the Future! << > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Servicelink User's Guide?
There is a "help" menu item to the left on each application page. It provides a extensive page of information on how to use the application. As far as a separate manual, I have not seen one for service link yet. -- Ian http://www.cicsworld.com On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Smith, Sean M < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can this possibly be as difficult as it has turned out to be? > > Can anyone provide a link to the Servicelink User's Guide? > > Sean Smith > Bank of America > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- Ian http://cics.pcs305.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is IT becoming extinct?
I did a polls recently to see what new development is happening on CICS specifically. The result was very surprising. Out of 190 votes only 5% said that they have no new development plans. 48% said that the new development is in Natural 28% said COBOL The poll results is over here http://www.cicsworld.com/node/198 I will probably run the poll again later in 2008 again to see what it looks like. Ian http://www.cicsworld.com On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That estimate may be vastly overstated. A large number of in-house COBOL > systems and packages written in COBOL have been replace by things like SAP. > > I disagree with that, but there is no (recent) evidence to support it > either way. > The last studies I saw were for Y2K, and there was still a lot of code. > > Two companies I worked for estimated it would take a minimum of 5 years > and $100,000,000 US to do it. > Both are still generating new COBOL code every year. > One outsourced their development to India because they couldn't find any > new COBOL programmers. > Unfortunately, that meant they moved the problem around, and with India's > economy speeding up, programmers are moving around quickly with higher > salaries each time. > This also means that what little business knowledge they managed to > transfer to India is quickly disappearing. > > So, I think the cost and time estimates are low. > > I could go on, but I'll stop now. > > - > Too busy driving to stop for gas! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is IT becoming extinct?
Michael Krigsman is just jumping on Nicholas Carr's bandwagon. Carr has been beating the "IT is dying" drum for a long time. ( http://www.nicholasgcarr.com/articles/matter.html) Mostly, I think, for the free advertising for his books. Ian http://www.cicsworld.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No more text messaging from mainframe?
Steve, If you are looking for a business solution for SMS take a look at Clickatell<http://www.pcs305.com/node/154> On Jan 2, 2008 4:33 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on > 12/28/2007 >at 01:40 PM, Hal Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >How do you get SMTP as an output writer? > > The same as any other output writer; AO or a real operator issues a START > command. The TCP/IP documentation should describe how to configure it. Be > aware that despite the name SMTP doesn't have the flexibility of, e.g., > sendmail. OTOH, it knows how to deal with SPOOL files. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT > ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html> > We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. > (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- Ian http://www.pcs305.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Uh, oh ...
Cricket??? What about Rugby! :-) SA and Springbok fan Ian http://www.pcs305.com On Dec 7, 2007 5:47 AM, Rob Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No worries - however I am now opening myself up for countless cricket-related > gags > > > Rob Scott > Rocket Software, Inc > 275 Grove Street > Newton, MA 02466 > 617-614-2305 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Shane > Sent: 07 December 2007 11:45 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Uh, oh ... > > On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 06:39 -0500, Rob Scott wrote: > > > I am actually a pom - I just work for an American company from my home > > office in the UK. > > Sorry mate - deepest apologies are in order. > > Shane ... > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at > http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
What do you think of the idea to make it a signature driven petition rather than a letter from a single person? Ian http://www.pcs305.com On 12/5/07, Doc Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me try to clean up the format a bit and correct a few of the structural > items... > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Ian > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:54 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly > > Ted, > > No you are correct, the spelling errors must be corrected. > > Ian > http://www.pcs305.com > > On 12/5/07, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~oscarptyltd/Letter%20to%20Sam%20Palmisano.ht > ml > > > > I don't know if this is going to be convincing. > > Especially with spelling errors: > > 1. It's "z/OS", not "Z/OS". > > 2. You have spelled "student" as "studnt" in one place. > > > > It may seem nit-picky, but spelling errors always reduce the credibility > of any document. > > > > - > > Too busy driving to stop for gas! > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
Ted, No you are correct, the spelling errors must be corrected. Ian http://www.pcs305.com On 12/5/07, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~oscarptyltd/Letter%20to%20Sam%20Palmisano.html > > I don't know if this is going to be convincing. > Especially with spelling errors: > 1. It's "z/OS", not "Z/OS". > 2. You have spelled "student" as "studnt" in one place. > > It may seem nit-picky, but spelling errors always reduce the credibility of > any document. > > - > Too busy driving to stop for gas! > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
Clem, Nice letter. I don't know how far this effort will get us in getting access to some sort of developers license for z/OS and CICS but it is worth the effort and it will show IBM that the users do care about the survival of the Mainframe platform. I do think though that getting the letter out as a petition with signatures rather than a single letter from a single person will be more effective. More of a collaborative effort. There are strength in numbers after all. That is why I suggest that we set up a website specifically for this purpose. If someone have something of that nature available for immediate use let me know. Otherwise I will work on getting something setup for that use. It will take me a few days to get this accomplished though. -- Ian http://www.pcs305.com On Dec 5, 2007 7:31 AM, Clement Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Roger, Sam and Doc and other interested people, > > I have just learned that Sam is in Oz (for the first time ever). See > http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22874620-16123,00.html > > In the past, I have spoken to a few people in IBM (gosh, I worked there > for 4 years), and, if we are quick it might be possible to get it discussed. > > I've written something fairly quickly, and stood on the shoulders of > others by incorporating their comments. I'll send it to Sam first thing > tomorrow (it is sleep time in Oz) after you have commented. > > It is here: > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~oscarptyltd/Letter%20to%20Sam%20Palmisano.html > > Cheers, > > Clement Clarke > > > Ian wrote: -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
Clem If there is an interest in developing and signing such a letter to Sam I can host such and effort on my site. Ian http://www.pcs305.com On Dec 4, 2007 6:57 PM, Clement Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A letter or two to Sam might help. > > How about if we formulate one together and send it to him? My guess is > that the email sent about students being unable to use Z/OS might form a > good basis? > > Clem > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
IBM already do give software "away" You can get the "WAS Community Edition" as well as the DB2 Express Community edition. You can develop applications using DB2 Express-c and sell it for profit. Microsoft actively tries to get Mainframe shops to convert to the MS Data Center product or at leats prevent new customers to even think about the mainframe. Take a look at these pictures of adds at the Gartner Expo in Vegas this week (http://www.pcs305.com/node/182) Why do they do this? Because that is how you get interest going in your product in the IT industry today. How can you possibly expect college students or high school students to show interest in a product that they can only read about? They can go and download free operating systems, free database systems, free transaction processors anytime they want and they cah start a business based on that in a basement and build it into a billion Dollar company. (Google, Amazon, yahoo, SugarCRM etc.) But if to get close to a mainframe that same studnt will have to: 1) finish college (where no classes in "Manframe was presented") 2) join one of very few companies with a mainframe 3) be boxed in to what the company wants him to develop or work on. I don't think we will see talent flocking to the mainframe anytime soon based on this model. Using Hercules you can run z/OS on Linux. Why not make it available? Same goes for CICS. Make it available for free too developers and hobbyists. (I did write about this in the past here http://www.pcs305.com/node/140 ) The only thing that will happen is more applications will be developed and IBM will gain more users. If IBM does not do something actively to get the mainframe's going it will disappear in the near future. And I don't think that the Mainframe users really cares. If they were hobbyists and were formed into well developed communities that would be a different scenario... Thats my 2 cents... Ian http://www.pcs305.com On Dec 4, 2007 12:15 PM, Van Dalsen, Herbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lindy, > > I agree with all the points you made below, but... > > Surely the copy of windows that you are running is fully licensed? > Why expect IBM to give it away for free. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
How old are you? Poll Results: 49.47
List, Here is the final results of the "AGE Poll". http://www.pcs305.com/node/162 Votes submitted: 663 Age Group 18 - 25: 11 votes for 2% Age Group 26 - 35: 46 votes for 7% Age Group 36 - 45: 127 votes for 19% Age Group 46 - 55: 296 votes for 45% Age Group 55 up : 183 votes for 28% And our average age is 49.47 Thanks for participating! Regards Ian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How old are you?
The poll is still open. But it looks like some IP addresses are NAT'ed so some people will see the results instead of the option to vote. I'm looking into a way around that but it does not look promising at the moment. What I was thinking because of the tremendous interest in the subject is to have a short survey that will break down fields of responsibility by age that will give a more detailed picture of what is happening. The poll is open to anonymous users. Only if you want to leave comments do you have to register. Regards Ian http://www.pcs305.com On 8/2/07, daver++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The poll is still open, but appears to be IP blocked. I suspect everyone > at your company goes through the same proxy, a single IP address. I pull > up the results page also, but I tried an alternate proxy and it pulled > up the voting page again. FYI. > > > Original Message > > Subject: Re: How old are you? > > From: Ken Porowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, August 02, 2007 11:49 am > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > Did the poll close already, I voted then passed around the link but > > everyone else here just sees the results and can't vote. Does it do > > some sort of IP blocking? > > > > -Original Message- > > Ian > > > > Hi List, > > > > We have created a new poll to determine the average age of mainframe IT > > people. > > > > If you are interested and willing to participate please follow this > > link: http://www.pcs305.com/node/157 > > > > Regards > > > > Ian > > http://www.pcs305.com > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > ------ > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- Ian http://cics.pcs305.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
How old are you?
Hi List, We have created a new poll to determine the average age of mainframe IT people. If you are interested and willing to participate please follow this link: http://www.pcs305.com/node/157 Regards Ian http://www.pcs305.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXEC and TSO
Many thanks for all the replies on this. Unfortunatly the system is outsourced and getting anything changed moves at glacial speed. I'm stuck with what I've got, and that's the lot. Let me see what I can find out about running REXX under OMVS. I think maybe some sort of stub routine might be the order of the day. Thanks again for all your suggestions. Ian ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXEC and TSO
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:37:46 -0600, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Not sure. But at least try using quotes like this: > >tso exec "//'fully_qualified_library(exec_name)'" exec > >Kind regards, > >-Steve Comstock Thanks Steve. Not sure if you meant to have EXEC twice? I'm guessing not, but unfortunately it still doesn't want to play: IKJ56701I MISSING DATA SET NAME IKJ56701I MISSING THE NAME OF THE DATA SET WHICH CONTAINS THE COMMAND PROCEDURE TO BE EXECUTED IKJ56712I INVALID KEYWORD //PT6820A.REXX(ACTIVATE) Shame PROFILE NOPREFIX isn't remembered between TSO commands: that would have fixed it fast... Ian ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
REXEC and TSO
(Not sure if this is the right place for this or not. Is there somewhere more focused on TCP/IP issues?) I have a rexx exec in a pds I would like to execute via REXEC from a foreign host, but when I REXEC to mvs I end up at $HOME and, unlike in FTP, seem unable to CD to a PDS. And trying to tso exec 'pds' doesn't seem to respect the use of quotes to specify a fully-qualified dataset name: everything gets prefixed with my userid regardless. Does anyone know if it is possible in fact to REXEC a TSO EXEC stored in a PDS accessing datasets in the traditional filespace and get it to behave according to the usual conventions? Ian ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SMTP security
Hi list, I know that SMTP provides an exit to validate the jobs and STC's that can send mail via the SPOOL interface. Is there a way to do the same for the TCPIP interface to SMTP? In other words I want to use the TCPIP interface from CICS but only CICSA and CICSB can send mail to SMTP1 and CICSD and CICSE not. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CA7 to TWS
Andy White wrote: >Does anyone know of any consulting company or software that can convert or >report on CA7 jobs in a schedule? We took over work from a company but >they run ca7 we use TWS(OPC). > > Just as an aside, we once investigated OPC->CA7 conversion - for purely political reasons; there sure as hell wasn't a good technical reason to do it - and found that the conversion tool managed to convert a rather sad 15% of the database. The rest would have to have been done manually. Happily, this meant the conversion didn't go ahead. I trust you have better luck going CA7-> TWS!!! :) -- Ian -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d-@ s: a+ C++ ULU+++> P++ E- W+++ N- o+ K- !w O+ M-- V-- PS++ PE Y PGP(++) t+@ 5+@ X++ R+@ tv-- b++@ DI++ D G e@ h+ r--- y++(+++) --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?
Peter Pfaffner wrote: > - Everybody can edit wiki's. Well, that's the open way :-) > - I don't see how we could attract PC-Script-Kiddies to our platform. > Sorry but that's silly. Most of you recognized IBM-MAIN newbies by > asking simple questions. How many did you see during a year? How often > the response is "search the archives", see link http:xxx I agree. A mailing list is an excellent way to carry on a pseudo-real-time discussion, but is an appaling way to document the output from those discussions. A Wiki would be an excellent medium for hardening the knowledge that bounces around in here, though it wouln't surprise me if some of the fossils disagree because they can't find it in 3.4. ;) > What do our customers complain about? Cost's !!! The CEO of one of the > biggest companies in Germany said to me "This platform is dead. There > is no freeware and BMC, CA, Oracle ... are using us as a milkcow". I'm > sure you've heared that too in some variations. I'm a huge fan of Open Source, and I'm rather disappointed that it hasn't gained a bigger foothold in our playground. I'd sincerely love to see some Open Source solutions to some of the somewhat less mission critical, what I consider to be overly expensive products, such as Omegamon/view, Escon Manager, SAS. (I don't intend to pick on any particular vendor - they are just 3 that spring to mind.) I don't believe many companies would be prepared to place their trust in open source databases or transaction managers, but in the areas of monitoring, reporting and hardware management, some serious, high quality projects might be in a position to save a large amount of cash, and make the platform as a whole even more affordable. Of course, there is the issue of WHERE to develop (legally) is an impediment. Ian -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d-@ s: a+ C++ ULU+++> P++ E- W+++ N- o+ K- !w O+ M-- V-- PS++ PE Y PGP(++) t+@ 5+@ X++ R+@ tv-- b++@ DI++ D G e@ h+ r--- y++(+++) --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
