Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
zPDT also supports z/VM and you can make up 2 z/OS images in Paralell Sysplex (I don't know if there are coupling emulated) But I think that RDTESz doesn't provide this possibility, I'm asking IBM. 2012/4/27 Ray Mullins m...@lerctr.org On 2012-04-24 23:36, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/**rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/** ENUS212-145.PDFhttp://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. This is progress. And if Robert Cringley's predictions about IBM's future hopefully are wrong, this is promising to basement/mom pop developers. But does RDTESz (or whatever you want as the acronym) also support z/VSE and z/VM for developers? (Yes, I know, I can download the trial z/VM and jury-rig it under Hercules...) -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.**com/ http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté] --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Un saludo. Álvaro Guirao -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Ray, I quote a very wise man in Los Angeles: 'It's funny how IBM announcements often seem to generate more questions than they answer.' So true! ALH -Original Message- From: Ray Mullins m...@lerctr.org To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 1:32 Subject: Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License On 2012-04-24 23:36, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. This is progress. And if Robert Cringley's predictions about IBM's future opefully are wrong, this is promising to basement/mom pop developers. But does RDTESz (or whatever you want as the acronym) also support z/VSE and /VM for developers? (Yes, I know, I can download the trial z/VM and ury-rig it under Hercules...) - . Ray Mullins oseville, CA, USA ttp://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far alls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi rench is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. -Robert B Wilson nglish is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe ierret [for Alain LaBonté] -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, end email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On 2012-04-24 23:36, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. This is progress. And if Robert Cringley's predictions about IBM's future hopefully are wrong, this is promising to basement/mom pop developers. But does RDTESz (or whatever you want as the acronym) also support z/VSE and z/VM for developers? (Yes, I know, I can download the trial z/VM and jury-rig it under Hercules...) -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:36:19 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. Dongle. Intel/Linux hosted. No APAR support. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Efectivelly, there's no support, I have been implementing past year RDzUT in a client (development purposes), and the only support was an IBM guy that helps in some problems, but without official support for opening incidents. The only way for solving problems is encountering opened APARs from MF shops. 2012/4/25 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:36:19 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. Dongle. Intel/Linux hosted. No APAR support. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Un saludo. Álvaro Guirao -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Interesting. How does this differ from zPDT? It sounds like a development only option, perhaps for ISVs or maybe commercial shops. I'll never see it, given the company's attitude about the z. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On 4/25/2012 5:38 AM, McKown, John wrote: Interesting. How does this differ from zPDT? It sounds like a development only option, perhaps for ISVs or maybe commercial shops. I'll never see it, given the company's attitude about the z. zPDT is still available only for ISV and internal IBM use. It is the platform upon which the RDz DTE offering is based. The technology works very well. (We have one running on a Thinkpad W700.) Previously, RDz UT was made available to commercial customers that also had an RDz license on a big box somewhere. Starting 10 May 2012, RDz DTE may now be licensed as a stand-alone system, without the need for the big box license. This is an important step. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
I'll grant you the dongle issue (but it's probably unavoidable) and possibly the APAR submission issue (which can be anything from a non-issue to a business killer), but why is Linux/Intel hosting a problem to you rather than a solution? Just curious. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:36:19 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. Dongle. Intel/Linux hosted. No APAR support. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On 04/25/2012 01:53 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:36:19 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: The march toward a personal use z/OS license takes another step forward ... http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS212-145/ENUS212-145.PDF ... Additionally, the [Rational Developer and Test Environment for System z] product can now be purchased as a stand-alone entry point into the Rational development solutions for System z. This lowers the cost of initial purchase, opening the environment for use by developers, testers, and operations personnel, and provides an easier path to adoption for traditional mainframe developers looking to modernize their development and test processes and infrastructure. Dongle. Intel/Linux hosted. No APAR support. -- gil ... Dongle, don't like but could live with. Intel/Linux hosting, not unreasonable. The big unanswered question not mentioned anywhere in the pdf document is the cost. The big problem with something like zPDF was that it still had a minimum $20K - $30K per year cost. A quick read of this latest offering suggests it still has an annual license charge per user, but if there was any clue on price range I missed it. Perhaps there are other on-line resources that clarify. Having a personal z/OS to occasionally play with would be so cool. But, the intended target here still appears to be businesses, which no doubt means it's priced accordingly and out of range for casual personal use! Speaking for those of us not in the top 1%, even $5K per year would be way more than I currently budget for all my home personal computing, so I doubt this new offering yet approaches what I could justify as an entertainment expense. I baulked at MicroSoft's concept that in response to MS's agenda, and not mine, I should be willing to shell out $100's per home platform every several years for the privilege of having to re-learn all the familiar user interfaces, force-upgrade other application software, and still expend significant resources on protection software -- which is why my primary home systems have been SE Linux (Fedora) for several years. A cost of $1000's per year for cool wouldn't fly for me. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
You can acquire Red Hat that have support, Suse doesn't have support... 2012/4/25 Alvaro Guirao Lopez alvarogui...@gmail.com I didn't know the requisite of the big box, in my client there was also a RDz in a big box, it's a great step then.. Thanks for the clarification Edward. 2012/4/25 Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com On 4/25/2012 5:38 AM, McKown, John wrote: Interesting. How does this differ from zPDT? It sounds like a development only option, perhaps for ISVs or maybe commercial shops. I'll never see it, given the company's attitude about the z. zPDT is still available only for ISV and internal IBM use. It is the platform upon which the RDz DTE offering is based. The technology works very well. (We have one running on a Thinkpad W700.) Previously, RDz UT was made available to commercial customers that also had an RDz license on a big box somewhere. Starting 10 May 2012, RDz DTE may now be licensed as a stand-alone system, without the need for the big box license. This is an important step. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.**com/ http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ --**--** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Un saludo. Álvaro Guirao -- Un saludo. Álvaro Guirao -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
I didn't know the requisite of the big box, in my client there was also a RDz in a big box, it's a great step then.. Thanks for the clarification Edward. 2012/4/25 Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com On 4/25/2012 5:38 AM, McKown, John wrote: Interesting. How does this differ from zPDT? It sounds like a development only option, perhaps for ISVs or maybe commercial shops. I'll never see it, given the company's attitude about the z. zPDT is still available only for ISV and internal IBM use. It is the platform upon which the RDz DTE offering is based. The technology works very well. (We have one running on a Thinkpad W700.) Previously, RDz UT was made available to commercial customers that also had an RDz license on a big box somewhere. Starting 10 May 2012, RDz DTE may now be licensed as a stand-alone system, without the need for the big box license. This is an important step. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.**com/ http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Un saludo. Álvaro Guirao -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:19:19 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I'll grant you the dongle issue (but it's probably unavoidable) and possibly the APAR submission issue (which can be anything from a non-issue to a business killer), but why is Linux/Intel hosting a problem to you rather than a solution? Just curious. Who used the word problem or issue? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:27:00 +0200, Alvaro Guirao Lopez wrote: You can acquire Red Hat that have support, Suse doesn't have support... Are you saying that Red Hat will provide APAR support for RDz DTE? I suppose if the price were right. zPDT is still available only for ISV and internal IBM use. It is the platform upon which the RDz DTE offering is based. The technology works very well. (We have one running on a Thinkpad W700.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Pardon me if I misinterpreted, but your very short responses, each followed by a period, said each of these is an issue for me. Perhaps I need more coffee before I write such a question... :) Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:19:19 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I'll grant you the dongle issue (but it's probably unavoidable) and possibly the APAR submission issue (which can be anything from a non-issue to a business killer), but why is Linux/Intel hosting a problem to you rather than a solution? Just curious. Who used the word problem or issue? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On 4/25/2012 7:27 AM, Alvaro Guirao Lopez wrote: You can acquire Red Hat that have support, Suse doesn't have support... He was referring to the following statement: The included IBM software products are provided for development purposes only on an as-is basis. No technical support or APAR/PTF deliverables are provided for the included software as listed in the Supporting Programs section of the product license with your purchase of the Rational Development and Test Environment for System z. The underlying operating system and middleware have been certified by IBM for use on the RDz DTE. It is obviously intended as a turn-key system that you don't need to service with APARs/PTFs etc. (That way you can't introduce any new problems either.) I have no idea how thorough IBM's certification process is, but until this announcement RDz UT was still stuck on back-level z/OS because the latest releases had not yet been certified. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On 4/25/2012 7:24 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: The big problem with something like zPDF was that it still had a minimum $20K - $30K per year cost. What was zPDF and why was it so expensive? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
:-x Yes, APARinux LOL No, I'm saying that if you want some support for Linux OS you might purchase Red Hat. 2012/4/25 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:27:00 +0200, Alvaro Guirao Lopez wrote: You can acquire Red Hat that have support, Suse doesn't have support... Are you saying that Red Hat will provide APAR support for RDz DTE? I suppose if the price were right. zPDT is still available only for ISV and internal IBM use. It is the platform upon which the RDz DTE offering is based. The technology works very well. (We have one running on a Thinkpad W700.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Un saludo. Álvaro Guirao -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On 04/25/2012 09:38 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: Pardon me if I misinterpreted, but your very short responses, each followed by a period, said each of these is an issue for me. Perhaps I need more coffee before I write such a question... :) Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:19:19 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I'll grant you the dongle issue (but it's probably unavoidable) and possibly the APAR submission issue (which can be anything from a non-issue to a business killer), but why is Linux/Intel hosting a problem to you rather than a solution? Just curious. Who used the word problem or issue? -- ... A dongle definitely could be an issue for some. Might be less of an issue on Linux, but my experiences on Windoze has been less than ideal and makes me regard any application that requires a dongle as more of a gamble. While the dongle may be regarded as nice license insurance from the software vendors standpoint, it is essentially just another point of failure for the user and lowers the value of the product. My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. Other than using standard Windows GUI interfaces, this software does nothing that special at the Operating System level, except for the dongle support that requires a hardware driver written by yet a different vendor. Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. I haven't given up, but unless I can locate a compatible driver that is also compatible with Win 7 this expensive application is toast on Win 7. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, but from the user's standpoint this is a very poor outcome, apparently forced by the decision to require a dongle. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: A dongle definitely could be an issue for some. Might be less of an issue on Linux, but my experiences on Windoze has been less than ideal and makes me regard any application that requires a dongle as more of a gamble. While the dongle may be regarded as nice license insurance from the software vendors standpoint, it is essentially just another point of failure for the user and lowers the value of the product. My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. Other than using standard Windows GUI interfaces, this software does nothing that special at the Operating System level, except for the dongle support that requires a hardware driver written by yet a different vendor. Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. I haven't given up, but unless I can locate a compatible driver that is also compatible with Win 7 this expensive application is toast on Win 7. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, but from the user's standpoint this is a very poor outcome, apparently forced by the decision to require a dongle. -- Joel C. Ewing, Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org I had a USB Verizon celluar modem case fail and got it replaced under insurance. Now I put it on a USB Male A - Female A cord. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:43:20 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: ... My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull Super Glue? It's a gamble. the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. ... My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. Think of it as an annual license charge. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Ed, We run z/Pdt also, but on a bigger system, Opensuse and 16 m , Amd box, but we are pure development. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 4/25/2012 7:24 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: The big problem with something like zPDF was that it still had a minimum $20K - $30K per year cost. What was zPDF and why was it so expensive? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Yep dongles are not fool proof, then can break...it's hardware..I don't get the reason for dongles.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: A dongle definitely could be an issue for some. Might be less of an issue on Linux, but my experiences on Windoze has been less than ideal and makes me regard any application that requires a dongle as more of a gamble. While the dongle may be regarded as nice license insurance from the software vendors standpoint, it is essentially just another point of failure for the user and lowers the value of the product. My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. Other than using standard Windows GUI interfaces, this software does nothing that special at the Operating System level, except for the dongle support that requires a hardware driver written by yet a different vendor. Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. I haven't given up, but unless I can locate a compatible driver that is also compatible with Win 7 this expensive application is toast on Win 7. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, but from the user's standpoint this is a very poor outcome, apparently forced by the decision to require a dongle. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org I had a USB Verizon celluar modem case fail and got it replaced under insurance. Now I put it on a USB Male A - Female A cord. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
The care and feeding of dongles (was: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License)
Dongles certainly can be fragile, and longer ones, such as the z/PDT's (around 2 inches or so) can easily be accidentally torqued and broken (or break the socket, whatever). For that reason, I keep a supply of 6 long M/F USB cables which I use to separate the dongle from the PC chassis. That solves both the bump-it-and-break-it problem as well as damage from constant removal-and-reinsert. Dongles are valuable. 6 USB cables are cheap. Just saying... Dave Cole At 4/25/2012 11:43 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: A dongle definitely could be an issue for some. Might be less of an issue on Linux, but my experiences on Windoze has been less than ideal and makes me regard any application that requires a dongle as more of a gamble. While the dongle may be regarded as nice license insurance from the software vendors standpoint, it is essentially just another point of failure for the user and lowers the value of the product. My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. Other than using standard Windows GUI interfaces, this software does nothing that special at the Operating System level, except for the dongle support that requires a hardware driver written by yet a different vendor. Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. I haven't given up, but unless I can locate a compatible driver that is also compatible with Win 7 this expensive application is toast on Win 7. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, but from the user's standpoint this is a very poor outcome, apparently forced by the decision to require a dongle. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Scott Ford wrote: Yep dongles are not fool proof, then can break...it's hardware..I don't get the reason for dongles.. Or just lose it, then come back and we can have a nice war story thread... :-) No, it is not funny despite my comment above. If you have 'sensitive', 'bread-and-butter', 'life-death' software on which your company needs to 'live' and some *sshole 'lost' it, it is not fun trying to convince the vendor to supply another dongle. (Been there and got a filthy t-shirt with invoice printed on it from that stupid vendor... - figuratively speaking of course :-D ) Joel C. Ewing wrote: the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. Yuck! Thats defect by design!!! The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. See my rant above. Maybe if I'm big and rich, I want to be such a scamming vendor! Hmmm, I'm still dreaming of my private yatch at my own island with its own airport + harbour... :-D Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. What logic? Try out the 'compatibility' settings or so on win7 on both driver and software. No guarantees of course. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, I feel your pain. Just drop them if you can. :-( Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
Run protection. And it likely encodes a unique CPU serial number so that you cannot pirate any licensed software from work, like any CA products, which almost all require CARIM to run to install the execution allowed restrictions. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License Yep dongles are not fool proof, then can break...it's hardware..I don't get the reason for dongles.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:51:22 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: Or just lose it, then come back and we can have a nice war story thread... :-) No, it is not funny despite my comment above. If you have 'sensitive', 'bread-and-butter', 'life-death' software on which your company needs to 'live' and some *sshole 'lost' it, it is not fun trying to convince the vendor to supply another dongle. (Been there and got a filthy t-shirt with invoice printed on it from that stupid vendor... - figuratively speaking of course :-D ) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Shocking ! You do not put sensitive or bread and butter software on a client machine You put it on a server in a secure room Please do not confuse again a windows workstation with a windows server And we do not put dongle on blade servers or pizza servers ( generally it is not even possible) . I had forbidden to buy any software using hardware dongle and I know I was not the only one. And there is no way you could change my mind on that matter Bruno Sugliani ( Now retired :-)) ) zxnetconsult(at)free(dot(fr) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 4/25/2012 at 10:55 AM, Alvaro Guirao Lopez alvarogui...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm saying that if you want some support for Linux OS you might purchase Red Hat. From the PDF document: Software requirements Rational Development and Test Environment for System z requires the following minimum levels of Linux: * SUSE Linux Enterprise Server version 11.2 * OpenSUSE version 11.2 * Red Hat Enterprise Linux version 6.0 or 6.1 You can purchase a subscription, with or without support, for SUSE Linux Enterprise Server as well as Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Joel, Ditto what others have said about using a cable. You might try win7 compatibility mode for the software you mentioned. I have had good success with it so far. HTH, Linda Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: On 04/25/2012 09:38 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: Pardon me if I misinterpreted, but your very short responses, each followed by a period, said each of these is an issue for me. Perhaps I need more coffee before I write such a question... :) Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:19:19 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I'll grant you the dongle issue (but it's probably unavoidable) and possibly the APAR submission issue (which can be anything from a non-issue to a business killer), but why is Linux/Intel hosting a problem to you rather than a solution? Just curious. Who used the word problem or issue? -- ... A dongle definitely could be an issue for some. Might be less of an issue on Linux, but my experiences on Windoze has been less than ideal and makes me regard any application that requires a dongle as more of a gamble. While the dongle may be regarded as nice license insurance from the software vendors standpoint, it is essentially just another point of failure for the user and lowers the value of the product. My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. Other than using standard Windows GUI interfaces, this software does nothing that special at the Operating System level, except for the dongle support that requires a hardware driver written by yet a different vendor. Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. I haven't given up, but unless I can locate a compatible driver that is also compatible with Win 7 this expensive application is toast on Win 7. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, but from the user's standpoint this is a very poor outcome, apparently forced by the decision to require a dongle. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The care and feeding of dongles (was: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License)
You could even have the dongle inside a secure cabinet that way...drill a hole at the edge of the door for the cable, and lock that sucker in there...! On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:38 PM, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: Dongles certainly can be fragile, and longer ones, such as the z/PDT's (around 2 inches or so) can easily be accidentally torqued and broken (or break the socket, whatever). For that reason, I keep a supply of 6 long M/F USB cables which I use to separate the dongle from the PC chassis. That solves both the bump-it-and-break-it problem as well as damage from constant removal-and-reinsert. Dongles are valuable. 6 USB cables are cheap. Just saying... Dave Cole At 4/25/2012 11:43 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: A dongle definitely could be an issue for some. Might be less of an issue on Linux, but my experiences on Windoze has been less than ideal and makes me regard any application that requires a dongle as more of a gamble. While the dongle may be regarded as nice license insurance from the software vendors standpoint, it is essentially just another point of failure for the user and lowers the value of the product. My wife has some very expensive Embroidery software that requires a dongle. The license does entitle her to run the software on multiple platforms, both her laptop and desktop, since the dongle prevents concurrent use. After a year or so the dongle case became too loose to remove the dongle from the USB port - the only way now is grasp and pull the dongle base with a pair of needle-nose pliers, which works, but is certainly not the advertised convenience. The only support provided by the application vendor to remedy this situation is to re-purchase the software at full price to get a new dongle. Other than using standard Windows GUI interfaces, this software does nothing that special at the Operating System level, except for the dongle support that requires a hardware driver written by yet a different vendor. Logic would suggest that this application should be able to migrate from Win XP to Win 7 without a problem, provided one can find support for the dongle on Win 7. My initial attempts to migrate have so far failed because the dongle vendor's current drivers for Win 7 are not compatible with the older version dongle that came with the application. I haven't given up, but unless I can locate a compatible driver that is also compatible with Win 7 this expensive application is toast on Win 7. A nice result for the application vendor if I'm forced to do an otherwise unnecessary upgrade at great cost, but from the user's standpoint this is a very poor outcome, apparently forced by the decision to require a dongle. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The care and feeding of dongles (was: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License)
http://www.meninos.us/products.php?product=FLASH.DRIVE Interesting anti-theft design for a USB memory stick. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:02 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: You could even have the dongle inside a secure cabinet that way...drill a hole at the edge of the door for the cable, and lock that sucker in there...! -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The care and feeding of dongles (was: Progress Toward z/OS Personal Use License)
Hmmm - might get some of us slapped too ... lol Personally I thought this sounded interesting. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/9712128.stm As for dongles, they were a lame solution when they were introduced in some other millennium. Hell, I've even had USBs vaccuumed up by cleaners - you might never know what happened to it if it went walkabout. Get a vendor to believe that. Shane ... On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:48:08 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: Interesting anti-theft design for a USB memory stick. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
