Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-18 Thread Clark Morris
On 17 May 2012 21:43:32 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I was attempting to offer an opportunity to be able to continue working 
>with IBM on your service requests while IBMLink is unavailable. RETAIN 
>does not go offline when IBMLink is unavailable. Clients are able to 
>manage and create new service request via SR regardless of IBMLink's 
>availability. Even if RETAIN is temporarily unavailable (or a queue is 
>full, etc.), SR will locally queue your create/update request and resubmit 
>it on your behalf automatically. This additional layer of resiliency is a 
>feature that ETR did not have.

Perhaps IBM needs to review Microsoft's service delivery system.  I
have never had a problem with availability.  Maybe others here have
had a different experience with it and my perception may be wrong. The
vulnerability of the IBM system as shown by these posts may be in part
due to the wrong measures.  While improving reliability may not be
justifiable on the direct benefits, the reputation hit IBM takes in
the eyes of at least some of us should spur greater effort.  When a
system totally under IBM control that has a 24/7/365 characteristic
yet does not have that availability, it casts doubt on IBM's claim to
deliver that kind of reliability and availability.  Most people
interface with applications, not the base operating system and it is
on those applications that they form their opinion of the platform.

Clark Morris
>
>Thanks,
>Christian
>
>Christian Gilmore
>Senior Technical Staff Member
>
>
>IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 05/17/2012 
>11:27:49 PM:
>
>> From: Barbara Nitz 
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Date: 05/17/2012 11:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
>> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>> 
>> >It is worth noting, however, that IBM Service Request (SR) itself, 
>> was online throughout this entire event. It will also be online this
>> weekend while IBMLink may be down for scheduled maintenance (SR does
>> not require downtime to perform maintenance). Please consider 
>> bookmarking SR for use when IBMLink is unavailable. SR can be 
>> directly reached at:
>> 
>> Boasting? Us mainframers first check SIS for fixes before reporting 
>> a problem. So if SIS is down, chances are good that retain is down. 
>> SR 'availability' won't help, since the updates done via SR will not
>> reach retain, and hence IBM software support cannot see them.
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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-18 Thread Staller, Allan
I will repeat the gist of many previous attempts to get the attention of
IBM.

The "next generation" tools are inferior to their (IIRC, z/VM based)
predecessors in terms of performance, reliability and functionality.

z/VM, z/OS, and AIX are designed with fault tolerance and hot failover
capabilities. A "application outage" should not last more time than that
to detect the failure and restart the application, assuming the
application was not designed for hot standby. 54 hours ("planned") and
another 8 hrs plus imply the application was not designed in this
manner.

Which begs the question, on which platform are the applications hosted
(MICROSOFT??), and why are the capabilities of the operating systems not
exploited?

IBM should be embarrassed. 

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Barbara Nitz
Christian,

you have negelected to tell us WHEN the double signon will be fixed. I have 
heard that that will only be at the end of the year. Knowing how slow 'fixes' 
to SR are (after all, it took more than a year to fix the backlinks from SR to 
servicelink, and we were promised they get fixed at least twice when they 
weren't) - by the time the end of the year rolls around, SR will probably tell 
the rest of the world "Gee, it worked so well for the last half year, why 
should we do anything?"

Barbara Nitz

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Christian Gilmore
Hello,

I was attempting to offer an opportunity to be able to continue working 
with IBM on your service requests while IBMLink is unavailable. RETAIN 
does not go offline when IBMLink is unavailable. Clients are able to 
manage and create new service request via SR regardless of IBMLink's 
availability. Even if RETAIN is temporarily unavailable (or a queue is 
full, etc.), SR will locally queue your create/update request and resubmit 
it on your behalf automatically. This additional layer of resiliency is a 
feature that ETR did not have.

Thanks,
Christian

Christian Gilmore
Senior Technical Staff Member


IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 05/17/2012 
11:27:49 PM:

> From: Barbara Nitz 
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: 05/17/2012 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> >It is worth noting, however, that IBM Service Request (SR) itself, 
> was online throughout this entire event. It will also be online this
> weekend while IBMLink may be down for scheduled maintenance (SR does
> not require downtime to perform maintenance). Please consider 
> bookmarking SR for use when IBMLink is unavailable. SR can be 
> directly reached at:
> 
> Boasting? Us mainframers first check SIS for fixes before reporting 
> a problem. So if SIS is down, chances are good that retain is down. 
> SR 'availability' won't help, since the updates done via SR will not
> reach retain, and hence IBM software support cannot see them.

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Barbara Nitz
>It is worth noting, however, that IBM Service Request (SR) itself, was online 
>throughout this entire event. It will also be online this weekend while 
>IBMLink may be down for scheduled maintenance (SR does not require downtime to 
>perform maintenance). Please consider bookmarking SR for use when IBMLink is 
>unavailable. SR can be directly reached at:

Boasting? Us mainframers first check SIS for fixes before reporting a problem. 
So if SIS is down, chances are good that retain is down. SR 'availability' 
won't help, since the updates done via SR will not reach retain, and hence IBM 
software support cannot see them.

>Out of an abundance of caution related to a security flaw discovered recently, 
>SR now requires direct authentication of all sessions until it can board with 
>ibm.com's single sign-on solution later this year. I understand this redundant 
>authentication step is very inconvenient and apologize on behalf of IBM as we 
>ensure the safety of your transactions.

Excuse me? Later this year?!?!?! How long does IBM want to force this redundant 
authentication upon its customers? Months on end An apology without the 
will to fix this immediately doesn't help at all, it just rubs salt into the 
wounds.

Barbara Nitz

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Ed Finnell
Appreciate the update and the explanation. I'm old enough to remember the  
Security 'green/yellow book' after MVS got B1 and maybe on the last page was 
a  big 'oh and if you're connected to a network this doesn't apply'.
 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2012 11:02:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
c...@us.ibm.com writes:

step is  very inconvenient and apologize on behalf of IBM as we 

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Christian Gilmore
Hello,

One of IBM's data centers experienced a cascade failure today, which caused our 
document service, IBMLink, and other systems to drop offline. While some 
systems such as IBMLink experienced a shorter duration offline, the document 
service was offline for a more substantial period of time. It was unfortunate 
coincidence that this service went offline shortly after notice was sent to 
Passport Advantage clients (referenced in another message in this thread) that 
contained a link to a document hosted in this data center.

It is worth noting, however, that IBM Service Request (SR) itself, was online 
throughout this entire event. It will also be online this weekend while IBMLink 
may be down for scheduled maintenance (SR does not require downtime to perform 
maintenance). Please consider bookmarking SR for use when IBMLink is 
unavailable. SR can be directly reached at:

http://www.ibm.com/support/servicerequest/

Out of an abundance of caution related to a security flaw discovered recently, 
SR now requires direct authentication of all sessions until it can board with 
ibm.com's single sign-on solution later this year. I understand this redundant 
authentication step is very inconvenient and apologize on behalf of IBM as we 
ensure the safety of your transactions.

Thank you,
Christian Gilmore
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member

On 5/17/2012 9:28 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote:
> There might be another ramification. It seems that all of the docview's that 
> come on a google now, the links
> are broken. For example, if you google IBM DOCVIEW, the hits that show up, 
> similar to this: 
>
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21433581
>
> get 404's. Another example, google PM60958. Even if you search for PM60958 
> from the IBM website, it brings
> up the broken link. :( 
>
> I'm assuming the crawlers will update this stuff at some point, hopefully. I 
> don't know if it's related to
> the SR change, I would think it would have had more to do with SIS than ETR, 
> but it is pretty coincidental. 
> 
> Mary Anne  
> 
> On 5/16/2012 3:46 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
> > Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
> > mainframe world - do Americans
> > coming from servicelink also have to login again to get to their ETRs??? Or 
> > is this 'privilege' reserved
> > for EMEA?
> > 
> > Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login from 
> > Servicelink was required, SR was
> > reachable using the normal servicelink login. I consider this an error and 
> > have opened a ticket.

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Tony Harminc
On 17 May 2012 11:19, Stone, Sandy  wrote:
> We got that too.
> Notified their webmaster via the link on the 'not found' page.

The notfound link I got to is just the general "contact us" page for
IBM US. They used to have a "broken link" page, prefilled with the
relevant info, but this one is just the same place I get to from
www.ibm.com .

Sigh...

Tony H.

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Edward Jaffe

On 5/17/2012 8:17 AM, Skip Robinson wrote:

Same result here. It's nice to know that when IBM finally rolls out the
big guns, they can still hit their own foot.


And, after a 54-hour outage for the 'upgrade' ... 

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Is the Microsoft service operation more reliable? was Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 17 May 2012 08:23:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

>I got that too Tom, and the link in the email fails for me as well. 
>
>MA
>
>>Did I miss this in the discussion? I got this from srdonotreply this
>>morning:
>
>>'We would like to inform you of an important change in opening and
>>managing service requests with IBM for Passport Advantage and Passport
>>Advantage Express products. Details of the change can be found at ..."
>>HTTP 404.
>
>>I'll send it to my home email and see if it is something local but I doubt
>>it. 
>
How does IBM's reliability compare with the reliability of Microsoft
in this area both for those of you who like me have Windows on their
home computers and for your organizations?  I believe that I have
always been able to get to the Microsoft fix and knowledge base sites.

Clark Morris

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Stone, Sandy
We got that too.
Notified their webmaster via the link on the 'not found' page.
s




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Did I miss this in the discussion?  I got this from srdonotreply this
morning:

'We would like to inform you of an important change in opening and managing 
service requests with IBM for Passport Advantage and Passport Advantage Express 
products. Details of the change can be found at ..."
HTTP 404.

I'll send it to my home email and see if it is something local but I doubt it.

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From:   Mary Anne Matyaz 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:   05/17/2012 10:39
Subject:        Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



There might be another ramification. It seems that all of the docview's that 
come on a google now, the links are broken.
For example, if you google IBM DOCVIEW, the hits that show up, similar to
this:
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21433581
get 404's. Another example, google PM60958. Even if you search for PM60958 from 
the IBM website, it brings up the broken link. :(

I'm assuming the crawlers will update this stuff at some point, hopefully.
I don't know if it's related to the SR
change, I would think it would have had more to do with SIS than ETR, but it is 
pretty coincidental.

Mary Anne

On 5/16/2012 3:46 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
> Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon
> the
mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login again 
to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?
>
> Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login
from Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal servicelink 
login. I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

I complained about this behavior during a closed meeting with Christian Gilmore 
and other IBMers at SHARE in Orlando back in February. Christian acknowledged 
the problem and made a note of it at the time, but nothing has been done to 
change it (yet).

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
I got that too Tom, and the link in the email fails for me as well. 

MA

>Did I miss this in the discussion? I got this from srdonotreply this
>morning:

>'We would like to inform you of an important change in opening and
>managing service requests with IBM for Passport Advantage and Passport
>Advantage Express products. Details of the change can be found at ..."
>HTTP 404.

>I'll send it to my home email and see if it is something local but I doubt
>it. 

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Skip Robinson
Same result here. It's nice to know that when IBM finally rolls out the 
big guns, they can still hit their own foot. 

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From:   Tom Ambros 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:   05/17/2012 08:13 AM
Subject:        Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



Did I miss this in the discussion?  I got this from srdonotreply this 
morning: 

'We would like to inform you of an important change in opening and 
managing service requests with IBM for Passport Advantage and Passport 
Advantage Express products. Details of the change can be found at ..." 
HTTP 404. 

I'll send it to my home email and see if it is something local but I doubt 

it. 

Thomas Ambros
Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering
518-436-6433





From:   Mary Anne Matyaz 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:   05/17/2012 10:39
Subject:        Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



There might be another ramification. It seems that all of the docview's 
that come on a google now, the links are broken. 
For example, if you google IBM DOCVIEW, the hits that show up, similar to 
this: 
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21433581
get 404's. Another example, google PM60958. Even if you search for PM60958 

from the IBM website, it brings up the broken link. :( 

I'm assuming the crawlers will update this stuff at some point, hopefully. 

I don't know if it's related to the SR 
change, I would think it would have had more to do with SIS than ETR, but 
it is pretty coincidental. 

Mary Anne 

On 5/16/2012 3:46 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
> Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 

mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login 
again to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?
>
> Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login 
from Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal 
servicelink login. I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

I complained about this behavior during a closed meeting with Christian 
Gilmore
and other IBMers at SHARE in Orlando back in February. Christian 
acknowledged
the problem and made a note of it at the time, but nothing has been done 
to
change it (yet).



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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Ambros
Did I miss this in the discussion?  I got this from srdonotreply this 
morning: 

'We would like to inform you of an important change in opening and 
managing service requests with IBM for Passport Advantage and Passport 
Advantage Express products. Details of the change can be found at ..." 
HTTP 404. 

I'll send it to my home email and see if it is something local but I doubt 
it. 

Thomas Ambros
Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering
518-436-6433





From:   Mary Anne Matyaz 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:   05/17/2012 10:39
Subject:Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



There might be another ramification. It seems that all of the docview's 
that come on a google now, the links are broken. 
For example, if you google IBM DOCVIEW, the hits that show up, similar to 
this: 
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21433581
get 404's. Another example, google PM60958. Even if you search for PM60958 
from the IBM website, it brings up the broken link. :( 

I'm assuming the crawlers will update this stuff at some point, hopefully. 
I don't know if it's related to the SR 
change, I would think it would have had more to do with SIS than ETR, but 
it is pretty coincidental. 

Mary Anne 

On 5/16/2012 3:46 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
> Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login 
again to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?
>
> Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login 
from Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal 
servicelink login. I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

I complained about this behavior during a closed meeting with Christian 
Gilmore
and other IBMers at SHARE in Orlando back in February. Christian 
acknowledged
the problem and made a note of it at the time, but nothing has been done 
to
change it (yet).

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
There might be another ramification. It seems that all of the docview's that 
come on a google now, the links are broken. 
For example, if you google IBM DOCVIEW, the hits that show up, similar to this: 
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21433581
get 404's. Another example, google PM60958. Even if you search for PM60958 from 
the IBM website, it brings up the broken link. :( 

I'm assuming the crawlers will update this stuff at some point, hopefully. I 
don't know if it's related to the SR 
change, I would think it would have had more to do with SIS than ETR, but it is 
pretty coincidental. 

Mary Anne  

On 5/16/2012 3:46 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
> Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
> mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login 
> again to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?
>
> Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login from 
> Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal servicelink 
> login. I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

I complained about this behavior during a closed meeting with Christian Gilmore
and other IBMers at SHARE in Orlando back in February. Christian acknowledged
the problem and made a note of it at the time, but nothing has been done to
change it (yet).

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Sandford
Same for us in Tampa...

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-16 Thread Edward Jaffe

On 5/16/2012 3:46 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote:

Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login again 
to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?

Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login from 
Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal servicelink login. 
I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.


I complained about this behavior during a closed meeting with Christian Gilmore 
and other IBMers at SHARE in Orlando back in February. Christian acknowledged 
the problem and made a note of it at the time, but nothing has been done to 
change it (yet).


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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-16 Thread Eatherly, John D
This morning we had to start signing into "IBM Service Request (SR)"..

I opened ticket with IBM.  This was their response:

We and Level 2 already aware about this issue the we need to login twice
 when going to use Service Request. 
Level 2 has already started working on this hope this will be resolved soon.



John Eatherly

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-16 Thread Skip Robinson
I've been using SR exclusively for some time. Until now, if I selected the 
SR option on the ServiceLink main menu, I would be taken straight to the 
SR main page. I just now discovered the new behavior described. I also see 
this. If it was there before, I didn't notice.

"You must sign into this application, even if you have already signed into 
IBM on the masthead."

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From:   "Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]" 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:   05/16/2012 07:01 AM
Subject:        Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR
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I have to login in again to get to SR. 

Brad Wissink
Information Technology Services
Iowa State University
515-294-3088
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On 
Behalf Of Barbara Nitz
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Servicelink, ETR and SR

Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login 
again to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?

Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login from 
Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal servicelink 
login. I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

Barbara Nitz


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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-16 Thread Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]
I have to login in again to get to SR.  

Brad Wissink
Information Technology Services
Iowa State University
515-294-3088
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Barbara Nitz
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Servicelink, ETR and SR

Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login again 
to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?

Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login from 
Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal servicelink login. 
I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

Barbara Nitz

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Re: Servicelink, ETR and SR

2012-05-16 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
Same here (US based).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Barbara Nitz
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Servicelink, ETR and SR

Given that IBM took away ETR yesterday and has by now forced SR upon the 
mainframe world - do Americans coming from servicelink also have to login again 
to get to their ETRs??? Or is this 'privilege' reserved for EMEA?

Until ETR was taken away (yesterday morning our time) no extra login from 
Servicelink was required, SR was reachable using the normal servicelink login. 
I consider this an error and have opened a ticket.

Barbara Nitz

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