Re: literacy
john gilmore wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: Likewise, I consider teaching Roman numerals a waste of time. I instead judge anyone who cannot read (and write) Roman numerals subliterate. I vote for teaching Roman numerals, but only for 'historical' reasons. BTW: Are you Roman numeral literate? Then provide answers: MMV - LXVI = XXXVI * MCMLXV = MCML ** II = *without* conversion to arabian numerals. g Last but not least: Polish (and other) movies are usually dated using Roman numerals. The time of displaying the number is short, so I often have a problem to 'decode' the year of production. I have no such problems with arabian numerals. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2007 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA (w całości opłacony) wynosi 118.064.140 zł. W związku z realizacją warunkowego podwyższenia kapitału zakładowego, na podstawie uchwał XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA może ulec podwyższeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 zł. Akcje w podwyższonym kapitale zakładowym będą w całości opłacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
snip I have no such problems with arabian numerals. /snip Why don't Arabs use Arabian numerals? ;) --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
I wondered that myself while I lived in Riyadh. They use Hindu-Arabic numerals, to use the formal name (not to be confused with Eastern Hindu-Arabic numerals, which have a difference in the shape of the 4, 5 and 6) as opposed to Arabic numerals (now named European numerals). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FRASER, Brian Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 18:41 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: literacy snip I have no such problems with arabian numerals. /snip Why don't Arabs use Arabian numerals? ;) --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
Paul, Regarding your difficulty with the lady. There are European languages - of a generally Teutonic persuasion I believe - where the speakers are so keen to see time pass that they anticipate the approaching hour by starting at the half-way point. Thus, when literally translated, half eight means 7.30. This, of course, is a recipe for confusion when half past eight is trendily reduced to half eight. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, 19 February, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Literacy (was: IBM Sued) ... Culture. An elderly woman on a bus once asked me the time. Six fifty. Six fifteen? (Enunciating clearly) No, six fifty! (Incomprehension; I tried showing her my digital watch) I can't read that! Mickey's big hand is on the ten, and his little hand is on the six! Ah! Ten-of-seven! ... -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
Correct, Dutch and German do it that way. I never regarded as keen to see time pass by, but more as halfway towards 8 o'clock. This could both be interpreted, comparable to the glass either being half full or half empty, as only just halfway or already halfway. I feel it as the last. Kees. Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Paul, Regarding your difficulty with the lady. There are European languages - of a generally Teutonic persuasion I believe - where the speakers are so keen to see time pass that they anticipate the approaching hour by starting at the half-way point. Thus, when literally translated, half eight means 7.30. This, of course, is a recipe for confusion when half past eight is trendily reduced to half eight. Chris Mason ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
In a recent note, Chris Mason said: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:05:15 +0100 Regarding your difficulty with the lady. There are European languages - of a generally Teutonic persuasion I believe - where the speakers are so keen to see time pass that they anticipate the approaching hour by starting at the half-way point. Thus, when literally translated, half eight means 7.30. Even more so in Russian, where 7:15 is a quarter of the eighth, and 7:45 is without a quarter of the eighth. Perhaps R.S. can enlighten us about other Slavic languages. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
Not R.S. but R.B. and not Slavic but some Hungarian and (based on what I know from TV) Austrian info: they use a quarter [of] eight as well when meaning 7:15, and three quarters [of] eight) means 7:45. (Note: the [of] part is my addition for readability) While here in the more or less German speaking part of Switzerland it is a quarter past seven and a quarter to eight respectively. Robert Bardos Ansys AG, Zurich, Switzerland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
John, Would you be including some of the world's largest education systems, where roman numerals have never been part of the curriculum? There's a lot of smart people on this side of the world that probably wouldn't know a roman numeral if it had a big neon sign on it saying ROMAN NUMERAL. It most certainly does not make them subliterate. Some of them probably cannot even read this e-mail and will never need to, let alone find it necessary to learn a dead number system that for some unfathomable reason gets tacked on to the end of movie credits. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2007 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: literacy I instead judge anyone who cannot read (and write) Roman numerals subliterate. John Gilmore -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
Can well kill this thread please?! Hint, hint... Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
On 20 Feb 2007 04:34:59 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM) wrote: Correct, Dutch and German do it that way. I never regarded as keen to see time pass by, but more as halfway towards 8 o'clock. This could both be interpreted, comparable to the glass either being half full or half empty, as only just halfway or already halfway. I feel it as the last. I've heard radio shows talk about the bottom of the hour - and suspect some younger listeners don't know why it is called that. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
On 19 Feb 2007 18:08:58 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (john gilmore) wrote: Likewise, I consider teaching Roman numerals a waste of time. I instead judge anyone who cannot read (and write) Roman numerals subliterate. Why?If someone doesn't know past, say 100 - is that any less useful as a hundred other measures of literacy (there is some measure which you or I fail). As far a literacy goes, I expect people to know the Old Testament stories - but because it's a religious book, we aren't taught it in schools. I'm illiterate with regards to stories in the Koran - which is a much more significant lack than Roman numerals. As far as writing large Roman Numerals, I had to do that in a program one time, and in researching, I found that there isn't just *one* standard way of writing them.(sort of like the way there used to be multiple ways of spelling words).But if it parses out unambiguously, it doesn't really matter. Computer literacy is something that changes constantly. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
On 20 Feb 2007 06:27:40 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Hawkins) wrote: Some of them probably cannot even read this e-mail and will never need to, let alone find it necessary to learn a dead number system that for some unfathomable reason gets tacked on to the end of movie credits. Not to mention Superbowls. Superbowls should have years attached to them - maybe they will change after #L. We are much more significantly ignorant if we don't know the Koran than if we don't know Roman Numerals. We won't make bad decisions from not being facile with Roman Numerals. I'm as guilty as anybody here. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Literacy
Hi Folks, Throughout my career, I was always outside of IBM, except for one short period, when I worked as a consultant at IBM to relieve the Level 2 queues. At that time, IBM was training its Level 2 people out of college on ONE or (maybe) TWO components of MVS, for 18 months, to get them up to speed. I don't know if any of those trainees ever got to see a real data center. When IBM hired us as consultants, we were up and working with ONE WEEK's training. See the difference between one component people and generalists? IBM knew that when they hired us. They only got us because (at that time) it was a bad time for regular sysprog jobs, so they had a pool of unemployed sysprogs to draw from. Just an observation to show (again) that knowledge pays. While I am on this subject, I want to throw in a comment about MVS developers (who are also highly trained and knowledgeable). If you have your own (low budget) software company, FLEX-ES (and the ADCD program) have (until now) provided a way for developers to use their skills to write good system utilites that improve the usability of z/OS. Unless IBM themselves provide us with their OWN good emulator and an affordable low-end hardware solution, THEY will be up the creek as well as us. Don't they know that? Do they secretly have their own S/390 emulator in the works? Otherwise, it would look like they are abandoning a large component of the MVS (and VM and VSE) support structure. Sincerely, Sam -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS developer jobs (was: Literacy)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Golob Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Literacy Hi Folks, Throughout my career, I was always outside of IBM, except for one short period, when I worked as a consultant at IBM to relieve the Level 2 queues. At that time, IBM was training its Level 2 people out of college on ONE or (maybe) TWO components of MVS, for 18 months, to get them up to speed. I don't know if any of those trainees ever got to see a real data center. When IBM hired us as consultants, we were up and working with ONE WEEK's training. See the difference between one component people and generalists? IBM knew that when they hired us. They only got us because (at that time) it was a bad time for regular sysprog jobs, so they had a pool of unemployed sysprogs to draw from. Just an observation to show (again) that knowledge pays. While I am on this subject, I want to throw in a comment about MVS developers (who are also highly trained and knowledgeable). If you have your own (low budget) software company, FLEX-ES (and the ADCD program) have (until now) provided a way for developers to use their skills to write good system utilites that improve the usability of z/OS. Unless IBM themselves provide us with their OWN good emulator and an affordable low-end hardware solution, THEY will be up the creek as well as us. Don't they know that? Do they secretly have their own S/390 emulator in the works? Otherwise, it would look like they are abandoning a large component of the MVS (and VM and VSE) support structure. Sincerely, Sam I, for one, have just about thrown in the towl with respect to finding employment (either regular or contract) as MVS/OS390/zOS product developer. Forget about the so-called open systems jobs, like Java or Windows, software development. My last job interview in that line of work was a rude awakening; it was obvious after 10 minutes that they were looking for someone younger and prettier (i.e., not a dinosaur), and definitely looking for someone they could pay not more than $40K/year. I had a similar experience a few years ago when I interviewed at that big employer up in the Seattle-Tacoma area, where all the young employees had private offices and the older employees were driving the shuttle buses. eek! Now that FLEX-ES is all but history, a small-time z/OS developer like me has no choice but to change careers with no safety-net. If any of you are in the same boat, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. Cheers Jeffrey D. Smith Principal Product Architect Farsight Systems Corporation 700 KEN PRATT BLVD. #204-159 LONGMONT, CO 80501-6452 303-774-9381 direct 303-484-6170 FAX http://www.farsight-systems.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS developer jobs (was: Literacy)
On 20 Feb 2007 09:06:59 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey D. Smith) wrote: Now that FLEX-ES is all but history, a small-time z/OS developer like me has no choice but to change careers with no safety-net. If any of you are in the same boat, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I would not recommend the average kid to go into software at all. Planning for a career you want something less ephemeral. The rate of change in the industry hasn't slowed down enough so that a kid has some idea of what he will be doing in 20 years much less 40. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS developer jobs (was: Literacy)
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:17:43 -0700 Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :On 20 Feb 2007 09:06:59 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey D. :Smith) wrote: :Now that FLEX-ES is all but history, a small-time z/OS developer like me has :no choice but to change careers with no safety-net. If any of you are in :the same boat, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. :I would not recommend the average kid to go into software at all. :Planning for a career you want something less ephemeral. The rate of :change in the industry hasn't slowed down enough so that a kid has :some idea of what he will be doing in 20 years much less 40. I have no idea what I will be doing a year from now. Change is good. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
In southern Germany too: three quarters [of] eight = 7.45 (in German: dreiviertel acht). Even people from northern Germany have problems with that, but to me it sounds quite logically, because I grew up with it. Regards Bernd Am Dienstag, 20. Februar 2007 14:25 schrieben Sie: Not R.S. but R.B. and not Slavic but some Hungarian and (based on what I know from TV) Austrian info: they use a quarter [of] eight as well when meaning 7:15, and three quarters [of] eight) means 7:45. (Note: the [of] part is my addition for readability) While here in the more or less German speaking part of Switzerland it is a quarter past seven and a quarter to eight respectively. Robert Bardos Ansys AG, Zurich, Switzerland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS developer jobs (was: Literacy)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS developer jobs (was: Literacy) SNIP You might try SPCI (WWW.SPCI.NET). I know that they do handle developer positions as they are contacted about them (they specialize in IBM Mainframe things - Systems Programming Consultants, Inc -- and always have to my knowledge). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
In a recent note, Rick Fochtman said: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:09:55 -0600 Not to mention the intellectual paralytics coming from our public and private schools. Like a McDonalds clerk here that doesn't know half a dozen from six chicken McNuggets! A truly sorry state of affairs. Ummm. Do you imagine that the clerk's vocablary doesn't include dozen (or half)? Or that the clerk in incapable of dividing 12/2 mentally/ Culture. In Boston, my father was taught the multiplication tables through 12*12; he was dismayed that in Denver a generation later the public schools were teaching only through 9*9, and attempted to compel me to memorize through 12*12. I resisted: o It wasn't in the curriculm o I saw no need for 2-digit numbers in long multiplication. (but I now have no trouble reciting all multiples through 12*12). I attribute the New England convention to a tradition arising from a history of Sterling currency; little point nowadays. Likewise, I consider teaching Roman numerals a waste of time. But is dozen sufficiently prevalant that that it's necessarily considered part of literacy? Culture. An elderly woman on a bus once asked me the time. Six fifty. Six fifteen? (Enunciating clearly) No, six fifty! (Incomprehension; I tried showing her my digital watch) I can't read that! Mickey's big hand is on the ten, and his little hand is on the six! Ah! Ten-of-seven! The Denver Public Schools (or at least my second grade teacher) eschewed the convention of subtracting from the following hour: ten-of-seven is no more in my vocabulary than six fifty was in hers. Is either of us culturally illiterate for not understanding the other's convention? But I am bothered by a waitress, long ago, who added: Sandwich $1.55 (yes, long ago) Tax $0.08 - Total$2.63 I asked her to check the arithmetic and watched her do the addition column-by-column, carry the one ... But she finally got the right answer. But she didn't start with the first-glance plausibility check. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
Yes, I would say it is. A dozen eggs, a dozen doughnuts, etc. snip But is dozen sufficiently prevalant that that it's necessarily considered part of literacy? /snip Jon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy (was: IBM Sued)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon Brock Yes, I would say it is. A dozen eggs, a dozen doughnuts, etc. But those entities usually come in a single container, with no explicit connection between the term dozen and the quantity 12. Consider a box containing a dozen pencils. You want only a half-dozen? OK, which way should I cut the box in half: Lengthwise, widthwise or heightwise? Note that one of those wises will give you a dozen half-pencils instead of a half-dozen pencils. :-) Then remember that the original poster wrote half a dozen instead of a half-dozen -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Likewise, I consider teaching Roman numerals a waste of time. Roman numerals are rife in our culture - just look at the credits of any film or television program. I also recall a, perhaps apocryphal, story about a Chicago edifice generally referred to as the McMix building after an inscription on its portico. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT new e-mail address: gerhardp (at) charter (dot) net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Literacy
Likewise, I consider teaching Roman numerals a waste of time. At the risk of being OT, teaching other cultures that have led to ours is NOT a waste of time. Of course, I am a history buff. And, I found I know about American history, than my ex (an American) did. Knowledge is a good thing! Making us specialists, rather than generalists, is not a good thing! I got my new job, after being downsized from IGS Canada, because I was willing to do more than just perf/cap. While expertise is important, it's good to dip your feet into other waters! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Likewise, I consider teaching Roman numerals a waste of time. I instead judge anyone who cannot read (and write) Roman numerals subliterate. John Gilmore _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1FORM=MGAC01 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: literacy
In a recent note, john gilmore said: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:08:18 + I instead judge anyone who cannot read (and write) Roman numerals subliterate. I expected no less of you. I can moderate my hyperbole: they're a part of our culture; as such their teaching belongs in Social Studies class rather than in Mathematics. We should remember that even the Romans didn't use Roman numerals for computation (if I'm correct). I believe they used abaci. (Second declension? Or fourth? Never mind the accusative case.) -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
