Re: cURL and security
Hey, You can read login credentials from within a script at run time from a separate file containing password. This file should have an adequate permissions and ownership set of course. Alternatively, if you control the target, perhaps you can whitelist your curl/client. I hope that helps. Cheers, F W dniu czwartek, 23 lipca 2020 Luke napisał(a): > Hi All > > I'm wondering if anyone is using cURL on z/OS in a production setting? > > I'm interested how to utilise cURL when the target URL requires > authentication. > > We can't use Basic Auth because we are not able to store usernames and > password in scripts or batch jobs. > > We can't easily use certificates because our users on z/OS do not have > certificates and our Windows based corporate certificate management doesn't > allow users access to the private keys of their Windows certificates. > > Anyone else using cURL for DevOps on z/OS and how are you securing it? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
cURL and security
Hi All I'm wondering if anyone is using cURL on z/OS in a production setting? I'm interested how to utilise cURL when the target URL requires authentication. We can't use Basic Auth because we are not able to store usernames and password in scripts or batch jobs. We can't easily use certificates because our users on z/OS do not have certificates and our Windows based corporate certificate management doesn't allow users access to the private keys of their Windows certificates. Anyone else using cURL for DevOps on z/OS and how are you securing it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
That explains why the term used in the 19th Century was confusing; it has no relevance to the issue of whether the term is limited to temperatures in the range 0-100. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100?" Because: The centigrade scale was confusing because "centigrade" was also the Spanish and French term for a unit of angular measurement equal to 1/100 of a right angle. When the scale was extended from 0 to 100 degrees for temperature, centigrade was more properly hectograde. The public was largely unaffected by the confusion. Even though the degree Celsius was adopted by international committees in 1948, weather forecasts issued by the BBC continued to use degrees centigrade until February 1985. On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:27 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point > of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100? > > Scare quotes because there is no standard for the percent of Deuterium in > the water. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the > freezing point and boiling point of water at NTP. > > My physics teachers said don't say >100 centigrade. It's outside the > bounds. So physicists use Kelvin. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:26 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > Actually, i does, but is not as precise: > > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZfcTRtyL1fHmGItPj-arpyyhb5EkDhUxhc8INI8z9BhT28rjk7J8JV2395Uwd7sGnpC_G5-WdPEkYaPYMrlh1fItSRJOUCDucUqXK5IOPjKCoC4RfbpCc1ufuEYxlinUM0WiPti_hVwdTYo1ZDI5RpLaTn1egI8jCtSkqHfLm8llGulJJUBk1ep2_bu4jEVyJvZccjCMguX5TP6eLTE2CtooWHn9naE2zF2ERJedlrw2LP0dkgR-DFrpOz7By8t7fYf1tNYFfpdL_FWB-R7Y7xXjlhtiuV8Bg1V6FWgAIiTC_TksQft1PDlIRHGjVUBu0mhbtwK07UF_blEtDFQgdEGWmaB9pTGCU2vwq0y2i3IJqA1m35BuWPympC_mbki5G6k9m9wDvZ_KMV6wap-BOnIkG4CvMdpMRheDkVgxg1ju3hbqn_LZLkKGuLqKxj0z30xjGHfcHsEKDUm037cMww/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thoughtco.com%2Fdifference-between-celsius-and-centigrade-609226 > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of Joe Monk > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade > doesn't > > exist. > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob > > wrote: > > > > > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. > It's > > > fun though, right? > > > > > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > > > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is > > something > > > we could all ponder and be better off. > > > > > > First Horizon Bank > > > Mainframe Technical Support > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf > > > Of Bob Bridges > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > > attachments.] > > > > > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > > > euphonious. A personal bias. > > > > > > --- > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > > > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated > by > > > hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told > > You > > > So" by Rush Limbaugh */ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On > > > Behalf Of Joe Monk > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 > > > > > > Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) > > > > > > --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges < > robhbrid...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > > > > having to think much about it.
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100?" Because: The centigrade scale was confusing because "centigrade" was also the Spanish and French term for a unit of angular measurement equal to 1/100 of a right angle. When the scale was extended from 0 to 100 degrees for temperature, centigrade was more properly hectograde. The public was largely unaffected by the confusion. Even though the degree Celsius was adopted by international committees in 1948, weather forecasts issued by the BBC continued to use degrees centigrade until February 1985. On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:27 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point > of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100? > > Scare quotes because there is no standard for the percent of Deuterium in > the water. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the > freezing point and boiling point of water at NTP. > > My physics teachers said don't say >100 centigrade. It's outside the > bounds. So physicists use Kelvin. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:26 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > Actually, i does, but is not as precise: > > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZfcTRtyL1fHmGItPj-arpyyhb5EkDhUxhc8INI8z9BhT28rjk7J8JV2395Uwd7sGnpC_G5-WdPEkYaPYMrlh1fItSRJOUCDucUqXK5IOPjKCoC4RfbpCc1ufuEYxlinUM0WiPti_hVwdTYo1ZDI5RpLaTn1egI8jCtSkqHfLm8llGulJJUBk1ep2_bu4jEVyJvZccjCMguX5TP6eLTE2CtooWHn9naE2zF2ERJedlrw2LP0dkgR-DFrpOz7By8t7fYf1tNYFfpdL_FWB-R7Y7xXjlhtiuV8Bg1V6FWgAIiTC_TksQft1PDlIRHGjVUBu0mhbtwK07UF_blEtDFQgdEGWmaB9pTGCU2vwq0y2i3IJqA1m35BuWPympC_mbki5G6k9m9wDvZ_KMV6wap-BOnIkG4CvMdpMRheDkVgxg1ju3hbqn_LZLkKGuLqKxj0z30xjGHfcHsEKDUm037cMww/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thoughtco.com%2Fdifference-between-celsius-and-centigrade-609226 > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of Joe Monk > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade > doesn't > > exist. > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob > > wrote: > > > > > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. > It's > > > fun though, right? > > > > > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > > > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is > > something > > > we could all ponder and be better off. > > > > > > First Horizon Bank > > > Mainframe Technical Support > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf > > > Of Bob Bridges > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > > attachments.] > > > > > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > > > euphonious. A personal bias. > > > > > > --- > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > > > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated > by > > > hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told > > You > > > So" by Rush Limbaugh */ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On > > > Behalf Of Joe Monk > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 > > > > > > Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) > > > > > > --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges < > robhbrid...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > > > > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > > > > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Jackson, Rob > > > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > > > > > > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; > but > > > > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > > > > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day > life > > > > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > > > > since
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Time for us to go back to school. Lb Foot is not a measure of pressure, it needs to act on area to be a measure of pressure. Lbs / square foot/ PSI etc. are common measurements of pressure (tires etc.). In the 60's we were taught poundals as a measure of force, ie the force required to accelerate a mass of one pound at a rate of one foot per second per second. Thankfully SI came to the rescue by the time I went to college. Isaac Newton, quintessentially English gets an SI unit, as does Faraday, Tesla, Curie. Very multicultural... On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:44 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > And the metric equivalent is Newton Meters. You can get torque > wrenches in either measurement, I would think some have both. Some > bolts will fail if too loose or too tight. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:31 PM Gibney, Dave wrote: > > > > Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > > > Yes, and whyat is lbf? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > BY0HMszNaDT!78SA9VzAdbjMTRYvnKQIT6jc0VOHrKWRan9aUIqsjvsI210oVzT > > > j6BY-5Ot12g$ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > > behalf of Gibney, Dave > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:26 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > > > Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe > weight is > > > measured in stones. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > > > > > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > > > > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > > > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > > > > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > > > > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > > > > > > > Thank you France. > > > > > > > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > > > > > > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > > > > > > > Tony Thigpen > > > > > > > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit > of mass, > > > not > > > > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > > > > >> > > > > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an > idiomatic > > > > > alternative?: > > > > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > > > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > > > > o Other (specify)? > > > > > > > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > > > > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for > ∆v? > > > > Ugh!) > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> From: Jackson, Rob > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > > > > >> > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > > >> From: Bob Bridges > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > > > >> > > > > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > > > attachments.] > > > > >> > > > > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > > > > > > > -- gil > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > > > MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
And the metric equivalent is Newton Meters. You can get torque wrenches in either measurement, I would think some have both. Some bolts will fail if too loose or too tight. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:31 PM Gibney, Dave wrote: > > Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Yes, and whyat is lbf? > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > BY0HMszNaDT!78SA9VzAdbjMTRYvnKQIT6jc0VOHrKWRan9aUIqsjvsI210oVzT > > j6BY-5Ot12g$ > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > behalf of Gibney, Dave > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:26 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is > > measured in stones. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > > > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > > > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > > > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > > > > > Thank you France. > > > > > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > > > > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > > > > > Tony Thigpen > > > > > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of > > > >> mass, > > not > > > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > > > >> > > > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > > > alternative?: > > > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > > > o Other (specify)? > > > > > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > > > Ugh!) > > > > > > > >> > > > >> From: Jackson, Rob > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: Bob Bridges > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > > >> > > > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > > attachments.] > > > >> > > > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > > > > > -- gil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > > MAIN > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
One Stone is 14 pounds on Earth's Surface on average. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:27 PM Gibney, Dave wrote: > > Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is > measured in stones. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > > > Thank you France. > > > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > > > Tony Thigpen > > > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of > > >> mass, not > > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > > >> > > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > > alternative?: > > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > > o Other (specify)? > > > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > > Ugh!) > > > > > >> > > >> From: Jackson, Rob > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Bob Bridges > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > >> > > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > attachments.] > > >> > > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > > > -- gil > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Horse Power?? Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 10:20 PM: On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:31:03 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: Foot pounds is a measure of pressure ??? Torque? -Original Message- From: Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM Yes, and whyat is lbf? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:31:03 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: >Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > ??? Torque? >> -Original Message- >> From: Seymour J Metz >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM >> >> Yes, and whyat is lbf? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Have to admit that I haven't been in a physics class in 40 years. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:35 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(force) > __;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!7i7tDktIvhYFOl7W3Lc4g1gb3zY9Z96bxOUHwZei8_8 > SEWGN6VBnx0KF3Z56hg$ > > foot-pound force is ft⋅lbf or ft⋅lb > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > BY0HMszNaDT!7i7tDktIvhYFOl7W3Lc4g1gb3zY9Z96bxOUHwZei8_8SEWGN6V > Bnx0KJcGj9fQ$ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of Gibney, Dave > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Yes, and whyat is lbf? > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > BY0HMszNaDT!78SA9VzAdbjMTRYvnKQIT6jc0VOHrKWRan9aUIqsjvsI210oVzT > > j6BY-5Ot12g$ > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > behalf of Gibney, Dave > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:26 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is > > measured in stones. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > On > > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > > > > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > > > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > > > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > > > > > Thank you France. > > > > > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > > > > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > > > > > Tony Thigpen > > > > > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of > > > >> mass, > > not > > > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > > > >> > > > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > > > alternative?: > > > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > > > o Other (specify)? > > > > > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > > > Ugh!) > > > > > > > >> > > > >> From: Jackson, Rob > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: Bob Bridges > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > > >> > > > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > > attachments.] > > > >> > > > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > > > > > -- gil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > > MAIN > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > MAIN > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > MAIN > > > >
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(force) foot-pound force is ft⋅lbf or ft⋅lb -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Yes, and whyat is lbf? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > BY0HMszNaDT!78SA9VzAdbjMTRYvnKQIT6jc0VOHrKWRan9aUIqsjvsI210oVzT > j6BY-5Ot12g$ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of Gibney, Dave > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is > measured in stones. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > > > Thank you France. > > > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > > > Tony Thigpen > > > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of > > >> mass, > not > > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > > >> > > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > > alternative?: > > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > > o Other (specify)? > > > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > > Ugh!) > > > > > >> > > >> From: Jackson, Rob > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Bob Bridges > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > >> > > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > attachments.] > > >> > > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > > > -- gil > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Yes, and whyat is lbf? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > BY0HMszNaDT!78SA9VzAdbjMTRYvnKQIT6jc0VOHrKWRan9aUIqsjvsI210oVzT > j6BY-5Ot12g$ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of Gibney, Dave > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is > measured in stones. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > > > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > > > Thank you France. > > > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > > > Tony Thigpen > > > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of > > >> mass, > not > > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > > >> > > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > > alternative?: > > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > > o Other (specify)? > > > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > > Ugh!) > > > > > >> > > >> From: Jackson, Rob > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Bob Bridges > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > >> > > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > attachments.] > > >> > > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > > > -- gil > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Yes, and whyat is lbf? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gibney, Dave Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is measured in stones. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > Thank you France. > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > Tony Thigpen > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, > >> not > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > >> > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > alternative?: > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > o Other (specify)? > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > Ugh!) > > > >> > >> From: Jackson, Rob > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Bob Bridges > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > >> > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > >> > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > -- gil > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is measured in stones. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6MfJemAcckz1N2FLwezCZtDcak8bJ > a3JHuDBIGmlQ$ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all > standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) > > Thank you France. > > Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... > > (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) > > Tony Thigpen > > Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, > >> not > of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > >> > > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > > alternative?: > > o ... how many kg I mass? > > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > > o Other (specify)? > > > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? > Ugh!) > > > >> > >> From: Jackson, Rob > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Bob Bridges > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > >> > >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > >> > >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > > > -- gil > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I would prefer "how many kgF I weigh"; I definitely don't like Newtons as a weight unit for, e.g., medicine, sports. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, not >of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic alternative?: o ... how many kg I mass? o ... how many kgF I weigh? o Other (specify)? Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? Ugh!) > >From: Jackson, Rob >Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > >-Original Message- >From: Bob Bridges >Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > >[External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] > >... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100? Scare quotes because there is no standard for the percent of Deuterium in the water. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the freezing point and boiling point of water at NTP. My physics teachers said don't say >100 centigrade. It's outside the bounds. So physicists use Kelvin. On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:26 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Actually, i does, but is not as precise: > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZfcTRtyL1fHmGItPj-arpyyhb5EkDhUxhc8INI8z9BhT28rjk7J8JV2395Uwd7sGnpC_G5-WdPEkYaPYMrlh1fItSRJOUCDucUqXK5IOPjKCoC4RfbpCc1ufuEYxlinUM0WiPti_hVwdTYo1ZDI5RpLaTn1egI8jCtSkqHfLm8llGulJJUBk1ep2_bu4jEVyJvZccjCMguX5TP6eLTE2CtooWHn9naE2zF2ERJedlrw2LP0dkgR-DFrpOz7By8t7fYf1tNYFfpdL_FWB-R7Y7xXjlhtiuV8Bg1V6FWgAIiTC_TksQft1PDlIRHGjVUBu0mhbtwK07UF_blEtDFQgdEGWmaB9pTGCU2vwq0y2i3IJqA1m35BuWPympC_mbki5G6k9m9wDvZ_KMV6wap-BOnIkG4CvMdpMRheDkVgxg1ju3hbqn_LZLkKGuLqKxj0z30xjGHfcHsEKDUm037cMww/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thoughtco.com%2Fdifference-between-celsius-and-centigrade-609226 > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Joe Monk > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade doesn't > exist. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob > wrote: > > > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's > > fun though, right? > > > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is > something > > we could all ponder and be better off. > > > > First Horizon Bank > > Mainframe Technical Support > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Bob Bridges > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > attachments.] > > > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > > euphonious. A personal bias. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by > > hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told > You > > So" by Rush Limbaugh */ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Joe Monk > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 > > > > Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) > > > > --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges > > wrote: > > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > > > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > > > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Jackson, Rob > > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > > > > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > > > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > > > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > > > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > > > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > > > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > > > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I > > guess I never cared. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > Confidentiality notice: > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally > > privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended > > recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this > > message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any > > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is > strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > immediately > >
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) Thank you France. Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, >> not of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). >> > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic > alternative?: > o ... how many kg I mass? > o ... how many kgF I weigh? > o Other (specify)? > > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? Ugh!) > >> >> From: Jackson, Rob >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bob Bridges >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM >> >> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening >> attachments.] >> >> ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? Ugh!) > > From wikipedia: “The most common unit for specific impulse is the second, as values are identical regardless of whether the calculations are done in SI, imperial, or customary units. Nearly all manufacturers quote their engine performance in seconds, and the unit is also useful for specifying aircraft engine performance.[6] “The use of metres per second to specify effective exhaust velocity is also reasonably common. The unit is intuitive when describing rocket engines, although the effective exhaust speed of the engines may be significantly different from the actual exhaust speed, especially in gas-generator cycle engines. For airbreathing jet engines, the effective exhaust velocity is not physically meaningful, although it can be used for comparison purposes.[7] “Meters per second are numerically equivalent to Newton-seconds per kg (N·s/kg), and SI measurements of specific impulse can be written in terms of either units interchangeably.[citation needed]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_impulse -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) Thank you France. Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, not of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic alternative?: o ... how many kg I mass? o ... how many kgF I weigh? o Other (specify)? Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? Ugh!) From: Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM -Original Message- From: Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] ... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the freezing point and boiling point of water at NTP. My physics teachers said don't say >100 centigrade. It's outside the bounds. So physicists use Kelvin. On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:26 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Actually, i does, but is not as precise: > > https://www.thoughtco.com/difference-between-celsius-and-centigrade-609226 > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Joe Monk > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade doesn't > exist. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob > wrote: > > > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's > > fun though, right? > > > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is > something > > we could all ponder and be better off. > > > > First Horizon Bank > > Mainframe Technical Support > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Bob Bridges > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > attachments.] > > > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > > euphonious. A personal bias. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by > > hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told > You > > So" by Rush Limbaugh */ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Joe Monk > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 > > > > Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) > > > > --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges > > wrote: > > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > > > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > > > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Jackson, Rob > > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > > > > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > > > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > > > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > > > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > > > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > > > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > > > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I > > guess I never cared. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > Confidentiality notice: > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally > > privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended > > recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this > > message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any > > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is > strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > immediately > > notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, not >of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic alternative?: o ... how many kg I mass? o ... how many kgF I weigh? o Other (specify)? Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? Ugh!) > >From: Jackson, Rob >Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM > >-Original Message- >From: Bob Bridges >Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > >[External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] > >... I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages
Your PC users are probably using GNU Fortran or equivalent, and any new code they write will probably not compile on VSFORTAN. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tim Hare [haresystemssupp...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages I know there's still a VS FORTRAN compiler on a machine I work on - is it still supported, or does it just "work". Haven't seen updates for it in forever; we are running down what was compiled with it that may still be running. All the important stuff moved to a FORTRAN supplied by another vendor that runs on PCs or other platforms; what's left would be dumb little utility-type programs that some user is loathe to turn loose of (and those users can probably tell you how they used to punch the input cards for the program. ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
"Political issues" Already ran into that. Thank you. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:29 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Technically it's a no-brainer, but there may be political issues at some > sites. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Lionel B Dyck > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is > something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS > datasets. > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary > commands to switch from binary to text. > > > Lionel B. Dyck < > Website: > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1su7YLWql3q2JuCMbZqQtVaZfGTPi-2EGzr-2AmEck-H5XxLTMuTJSOnguJ4AyTa34QEsDvYmW9aIH8zJLvc6VBWRTRda-EGyb3EK1kVLyZ7nMqmPWOtogV2pNSILxVz_JRyM3ngUeaeYMXlJkfFPZKtpNKvd4gFKLDXG4jCu-YsTZwYJKp8ehdX_jsl1_oyRckWxK0L0o7EJpctlKbx1MxUQ4UQPAx9UIHOWdRP7ZbkHdL9LF49SOFCGliQYJ9EAYGho8yV53tgjUfSt-zC0rPxjj7ZRTKuF_6ldUvREMO2Koq368kW8WD-UMhlayr4Xrek9eMg1GwXLnXF9LpT16VMO6pJoiBzyL1uHHi6hZq97lQz5E_V3T93mvRqJEJXnnN9GMH5yYL9J-yZAcSkW5Fpkj3WGb1Uc57BB88Z44wlC_ToH2QaVUl8p5hy4ucDv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com > > "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what > you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Kirk Wolf > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples > and merge those as appropriate. > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS > OpenSSH: > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1kFuBUxMakNRAVJFVOewMH9LIIP2OTRg8SiVu_htNZD41RJZyNLVKsNTa6WEXeylcK5ZM1xGILiIhefULXta7xUZO9eRKq2GjKMg0pgAvGVH1qdk-StxkJSNB24ZHOnDublItI2dRxbaJ254YKnVJTU_VmE-PMaUftkzyJ6rWLuauYdSHsrPqQl-dwxGVdiMFNsSTRjVQgzNzjrgz3d4856xYoF81vYte0_nTV3vl-gpIjzpHXyYjcuRCdk5gZOGG7-PQZg0oTM2Z3vI1iJxE2KZi3kIz2fFx4sOqRzOT7_YszuYo-bWH9Iz3sdQ0n4DU9PaRRqNsWhr3jLFqVcxRx_fOsyfGGr8Am5A8IvVZh4mLtqr-J2XleXAq27Mo64WAJOPaU-33FfQqj9kBSZAwxoobYF5OZxeMLwIyHhw3MdvpKQKTsF1jztmSX6q1w8xU/https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.html > > Kirk Wolf > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1LetkAqmxb2mHTXoe2e35AwFZw4UYoiIeNOVgzH1Qms1MrKHD86XVzieGSUFJhCv8GbwqPhbow7NeP6IFvYjdUaYvXCjG1h6SrOBbM8Z0aY8BiznIGgTNB4MPWoeBlq9VHezSBTeajQgpsTv0DPS-EifgMxmQFHgIus0aNKsd5nTCtMZzPO8VXQvVZof7BN4s37wtsPa1FwHPZmQNrHC9UWaYP1qtW_icPDBb4QWZTKGEJSI8GAVlPMwcSsAIltqZQ1TmOecMdwTSTRMHrqTAnLc5aGT1gPLzOeLc0169dZ4oC3ssIozLNEJgKLuWvckDXYAFuLobcIX610AC0y6G-sC_6hLz315OjtuS0YSt7pnhtWMl3kxjYJlrYXapj4I9tcRYY4itCI6S1y8ogZ1et3UM9LLlvN2MBLb1nqyn11lSJBiuel8cV-T1Yk2HrnH2/http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais > wrote: > > > Listers: > > > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > > default libraries. > > > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > > the whole install again? > > > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > > different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the > > filesystem and execute. > > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO
Re: PIPE command on zOS Platforms
NetView has Pipes: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSZJDU_6.3.0/com.ibm.iznetview.doc_6.3.0/dqsmst.html On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jasi Grewal wrote: > Hi, > > I have a z/OS System and unfortunately I cannot use PIPE commands in Rexx > Programs. > It states 'PIPE command not found' and does a Customer have to pay for the > z/OS Feature to use PIPE's under Rexx Program. > > Which Product does a Customer have to order or enable to allow a user to > use PIPE commands. > > Any information would be appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > > Regards, > Jasi Grewal. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Thank you all. Got a lot of good information. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:08 PM Kirk Wolf wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:54 PM Lionel B Dyck wrote: > > > > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP > server > > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the > necessary > > commands to switch from binary to text. > > > > > > > Thanks Lionel, > > If you use GUIs much, it is often convenient to set up file name pattern > specific settings in your $HOME/.ssh//etc/ssh/cozsftp_server_config file. > See: https://dovetail.com/docs/sftp/session-config.html > > For example: > > pattern: //*.JCL(*) > mode=text > > > You could also make "mode=text" the default for your userid in this file, > but then you would need to change it when doing binary. > > You *can* change settings interactively from most SFTP GUIs like FileZilla > - > - change directories to the "/+" directory (you will see your current > settings) > - rename the ".newoption" pretend file in that directory to the option > that you want to set > > WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory > displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly > since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means > that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file > transfers. > > I don't use Windows much, but my favorite SFTP GUI is "BitVise", which > includes an SSH emulator and SFTP client. > > Kirk Wolf > http://dovetail.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Technically it's a no-brainer, but there may be political issues at some sites. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lionel B Dyck Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS datasets. Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary commands to switch from binary to text. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1su7YLWql3q2JuCMbZqQtVaZfGTPi-2EGzr-2AmEck-H5XxLTMuTJSOnguJ4AyTa34QEsDvYmW9aIH8zJLvc6VBWRTRda-EGyb3EK1kVLyZ7nMqmPWOtogV2pNSILxVz_JRyM3ngUeaeYMXlJkfFPZKtpNKvd4gFKLDXG4jCu-YsTZwYJKp8ehdX_jsl1_oyRckWxK0L0o7EJpctlKbx1MxUQ4UQPAx9UIHOWdRP7ZbkHdL9LF49SOFCGliQYJ9EAYGho8yV53tgjUfSt-zC0rPxjj7ZRTKuF_6ldUvREMO2Koq368kW8WD-UMhlayr4Xrek9eMg1GwXLnXF9LpT16VMO6pJoiBzyL1uHHi6hZq97lQz5E_V3T93mvRqJEJXnnN9GMH5yYL9J-yZAcSkW5Fpkj3WGb1Uc57BB88Z44wlC_ToH2QaVUl8p5hy4ucDv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples and merge those as appropriate. BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS OpenSSH: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1kFuBUxMakNRAVJFVOewMH9LIIP2OTRg8SiVu_htNZD41RJZyNLVKsNTa6WEXeylcK5ZM1xGILiIhefULXta7xUZO9eRKq2GjKMg0pgAvGVH1qdk-StxkJSNB24ZHOnDublItI2dRxbaJ254YKnVJTU_VmE-PMaUftkzyJ6rWLuauYdSHsrPqQl-dwxGVdiMFNsSTRjVQgzNzjrgz3d4856xYoF81vYte0_nTV3vl-gpIjzpHXyYjcuRCdk5gZOGG7-PQZg0oTM2Z3vI1iJxE2KZi3kIz2fFx4sOqRzOT7_YszuYo-bWH9Iz3sdQ0n4DU9PaRRqNsWhr3jLFqVcxRx_fOsyfGGr8Am5A8IvVZh4mLtqr-J2XleXAq27Mo64WAJOPaU-33FfQqj9kBSZAwxoobYF5OZxeMLwIyHhw3MdvpKQKTsF1jztmSX6q1w8xU/https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.html Kirk Wolf http://secure-web.cisco.com/1LetkAqmxb2mHTXoe2e35AwFZw4UYoiIeNOVgzH1Qms1MrKHD86XVzieGSUFJhCv8GbwqPhbow7NeP6IFvYjdUaYvXCjG1h6SrOBbM8Z0aY8BiznIGgTNB4MPWoeBlq9VHezSBTeajQgpsTv0DPS-EifgMxmQFHgIus0aNKsd5nTCtMZzPO8VXQvVZof7BN4s37wtsPa1FwHPZmQNrHC9UWaYP1qtW_icPDBb4QWZTKGEJSI8GAVlPMwcSsAIltqZQ1TmOecMdwTSTRMHrqTAnLc5aGT1gPLzOeLc0169dZ4oC3ssIozLNEJgKLuWvckDXYAFuLobcIX610AC0y6G-sC_6hLz315OjtuS0YSt7pnhtWMl3kxjYJlrYXapj4I9tcRYY4itCI6S1y8ogZ1et3UM9LLlvN2MBLb1nqyn11lSJBiuel8cV-T1Yk2HrnH2/http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > the whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the > filesystem and execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages
I know there's still a VS FORTRAN compiler on a machine I work on - is it still supported, or does it just "work". Haven't seen updates for it in forever; we are running down what was compiled with it that may still be running. All the important stuff moved to a FORTRAN supplied by another vendor that runs on PCs or other platforms; what's left would be dumb little utility-type programs that some user is loathe to turn loose of (and those users can probably tell you how they used to punch the input cards for the program. ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Actually, i does, but is not as precise: https://www.thoughtco.com/difference-between-celsius-and-centigrade-609226 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade doesn't exist. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob wrote: > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's > fun though, right? > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is something > we could all ponder and be better off. > > First Horizon Bank > Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > euphonious. A personal bias. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by > hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told You > So" by Rush Limbaugh */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Joe Monk > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 > > Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) > > --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges > wrote: > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jackson, Rob > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I > guess I never cared. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > Confidentiality notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally > privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended > recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this > message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately > notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
>which means writing a Rexx exec to parse it into > something to match to the output of the other stuff Tim, You can use DFSORT to parse the content. If you need help parsing the contents, then please send me an offline email with the contents to be parsed. Thanks, Kolusu DFSORT Development IBM Corporation -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
I could try to do that but I was hoping to use just the tools I have. The nslookup command on z/OS (TSO and "TSO in batch" returns more than one line, which means writing a Rexx exec to parse it into something to match to the output of the other stuff -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:54 PM Lionel B Dyck wrote: > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary > commands to switch from binary to text. > > > Thanks Lionel, If you use GUIs much, it is often convenient to set up file name pattern specific settings in your $HOME/.ssh//etc/ssh/cozsftp_server_config file. See: https://dovetail.com/docs/sftp/session-config.html For example: pattern: //*.JCL(*) mode=text You could also make "mode=text" the default for your userid in this file, but then you would need to change it when doing binary. You *can* change settings interactively from most SFTP GUIs like FileZilla - - change directories to the "/+" directory (you will see your current settings) - rename the ".newoption" pretend file in that directory to the option that you want to set WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file transfers. I don't use Windows much, but my favorite SFTP GUI is "BitVise", which includes an SSH emulator and SFTP client. Kirk Wolf http://dovetail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade doesn't exist. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob wrote: > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's > fun though, right? > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is something > we could all ponder and be better off. > > First Horizon Bank > Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > euphonious. A personal bias. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by > hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told You > So" by Rush Limbaugh */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Joe Monk > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 > > Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) > > --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges > wrote: > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jackson, Rob > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I > guess I never cared. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > Confidentiality notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally > privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended > recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this > message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately > notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS datasets. Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary commands to switch from binary to text. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples and merge those as appropriate. BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS OpenSSH: https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html Kirk Wolf http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > the whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the > filesystem and execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
The measure of weight is a kgf. Kilogram force. It is a kilogram multiplied by 9.8 (gravity force). But in shorthand we say kilogram. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 15:36 Pommier, Rex wrote: > A kilogram may not technically be a weight, but if not the whole world, at > least a large percentage of the world uses it as such. Looking at a > package of dried fruit in front of me and it says net weight 340 grams > which I believe translates to .34 kilograms. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Jackson, Rob > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All > These Years? > > A kilogram is not a weight, Bob. Never has been; never will be. I'm not > one to be anal-retentive. This point is more important than anything like > that. > > I like your quote. That was a wise person. > > First Horizon Bank > Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:41 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > > Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I > missing, here? > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give > orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch > manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die > gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Lazarus Long */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jackson, Rob > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 > > My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. > You don't weigh anything in kilograms. :) > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. > > I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like > centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. > I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you > how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > Confidentiality notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally > privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended > recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this > message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately > notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action > omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately > by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, > whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
> What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary > IP address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At > the shop where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup > when logging, to save some overhead. Tim, I think this RFE would be an ideal request for TCP/IP component. You can parse the output from NSLOOKUP or DIG Command to meet your requirement. Thanks, Kolusu DFSORT Development IBM Corporation -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples and merge those as appropriate. BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS OpenSSH: https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html Kirk Wolf http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > the whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
A kilogram may not technically be a weight, but if not the whole world, at least a large percentage of the world uses it as such. Looking at a package of dried fruit in front of me and it says net weight 340 grams which I believe translates to .34 kilograms. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? A kilogram is not a weight, Bob. Never has been; never will be. I'm not one to be anal-retentive. This point is more important than anything like that. I like your quote. That was a wise person. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, here? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Lazarus Long */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. You don't weigh anything in kilograms. :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Might be a good idea to have a unique file mount for OPENSSH itself so could easily do a mount swap to test a new version of OPENSSH without any zOS implications. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:30 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Thank you, Allan. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:25 PM Allan Staller > wrote: > > > OPENSSH is pretty tightly integrated into the /etc file system (separate > > from the root file system). I have not head of IBM any maint touching > /etc > > in a long time. > > > > As long as you don’t replace the /etc physical file , you should be fine. > > > > HTH, > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Roberto Halais > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:14 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > > the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing > > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] > > > > Listers: > > > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > > default libraries. > > > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the > > whole install again? > > > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different > > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > > execute. > > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > > intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not > > guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be > intercepted, > > corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain > > viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without > > referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the > originator > > or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this > > email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the > > views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, > > dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or > > publication of this message without the prior written consent of > authorized > > representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > > email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before > > opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and > > other defects. > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
On Jul 22, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, > here? As long as you stay near the earth’s surface, you can treat mass and weight as equivalent. But kilograms measure mass, not weight. If I go into orbit around the earth, my weight has gone to zero, but my mass hasn’t changed. -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, at 19:41, Bob Bridges wrote: > Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, > here? That kg is a measure of mass, ie how much there is of something. One kg of sugar on earth is the same amount as 1 kg on the moon. Weight depends on gravity. You'd weigh much less on the moon. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
I see no reason why SORT should be involved. A separate program to process the SORT output would be simpler, more flexible, and more robust. If you insist, an E35 could do it. But as an RFE, I think it's DOA. sas -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
Today this function is performed from within SAS (with reasonable success - some IP-addresses are not known to the z/OS resolver) using the SAS "pipe" engine and the USS "host" command, based on SMF 119 source-information references (the IP-address). Scott Barry SBBTech LLC On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:23:38 +, Martin Packer wrote: > >If it were me I’d probably extract the IP addresses, use another program to >look them up, then do a DFSORT / ICETOOL JOIN on the original report and >the looked up IP addresses / domains. (And take any ambiguity as inevitable >dirtiness in the data.) > >Cheers, Martin (NOT a DFSORT developer) > >Sent from my iPad > >> On 22 Jul 2020, at 19:02, Charles Mills wrote: >> >> I don't know but it sounds to me like kind of an inappropriate function >to graft onto a sort program. Why not dollar to Euro conversion? Or meters >to feet? >> >> Keep in mind (as @Shmuel said) that one IP address could have multiple >"source" domains or URLs, and also that the mapping can change with no >notice. >> >> Equally interesting -- perhaps more so from a security point of view -- >is geo-location. Knowing that IP address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is in China or >Bulgaria. >> >> Charles >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of Tim Hare >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:58 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Possible new function for DFSORT? >> >> I don't think this function exists, and I'm thinking about writing up a >SHARE requirement for it (which I guess these days becomes an RFE but I'm a >member of SHARE so I think I'll go that way). I thought I'd ask whether >it would be used enough to justify going through that process. >> >> What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary IP >address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At the shop >where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup when logging, >to save some overhead.Yet, it's always nice, when creating a report >such as 'who is connecting to us the most', to be able to assign a name >rather than an IP address; if the lookup can be done _after_ the data is >summarized it would be a lot more efficient. Hence the thinking about >making this a function for SORT. >> >> I think this would involve two functions - one for IPV4 and one for IPV6. >We might also like two formats similar to DT1 and the like, for formatting >IPV4 and IPV6 binaries into strings. Although I think that can be managed >now by handling individual parts of the binary and interspersing separator >characters "manually" it would be much cleaner if it were handled like >date/time fields are. >> >> Do you think this capability would be used enough to make it an RFE? >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>Unless stated otherwise above: >IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number >741598. >Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
From wiki: "Anders Celsius, 27 November 1701 – 25 April 1744) was a Swedish astronomer, physicist and mathematician. He was professor of astronomy at Uppsala University from 1730 to 1744, but traveled from 1732 to 1735 visiting notable observatories in Germany, Italy and France. He founded the Uppsala Astronomical Observatory in 1741, and in 1742 proposed (an inverted form of) the Centigrade temperature scale which was later renamed Celsius in his honor." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson [jesse1.robin...@sce.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? When I was a kid a hundred years ago, the canonical term was 'centigrade', based I assumed on the 100 degree span between the freezing and boiling points of water. The term was logical and fit into a world view that included metric measurements and decimal currency. And who the heck was Celsius anyway? Could Ray Bradbury have found a publisher for "Celsius 232.778"? . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's fun though, right? I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is something we could all ponder and be better off. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively euphonious. A personal bias. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told You So" by Rush Limbaugh */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > -Original Message- > From: Jackson, Rob > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I > never cared. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Thank you, Allan. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:25 PM Allan Staller wrote: > OPENSSH is pretty tightly integrated into the /etc file system (separate > from the root file system). I have not head of IBM any maint touching /etc > in a long time. > > As long as you don’t replace the /etc physical file , you should be fine. > > HTH, > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Roberto Halais > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] > > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the > whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not > guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, > corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain > viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without > referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator > or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this > email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the > views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, > dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or > publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized > representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before > opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and > other defects. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
When I was a kid a hundred years ago, the canonical term was 'centigrade', based I assumed on the 100 degree span between the freezing and boiling points of water. The term was logical and fit into a world view that included metric measurements and decimal currency. And who the heck was Celsius anyway? Could Ray Bradbury have found a publisher for "Celsius 232.778"? . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's fun though, right? I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is something we could all ponder and be better off. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively euphonious. A personal bias. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told You So" by Rush Limbaugh */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > -Original Message- > From: Jackson, Rob > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I > never cared. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
OPENSSH is pretty tightly integrated into the /etc file system (separate from the root file system). I have not head of IBM any maint touching /etc in a long time. As long as you don’t replace the /etc physical file , you should be fine. HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Listers: My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the default libraries. My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the whole install again? Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and execute. And later on install the new version Openssh. Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
*98.6 On 2020-07-22 14:38, Bob Bridges wrote: For weather I don't feel the need to distinguish between 67°F and 68°F. "High 60s" is close enough for most conversations. I suppose you already know this, but when someone (I forget who) first worked out the normal human temperature, he measured a number of people and arrived at an average of 37°C, plus or minus a few degrees. 37°C got translated to 96.6°F, which became a way-too-precise number adhered to by way-too-many moms. "99! You have a temperature! Get to bed!" --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it. -Sam Levenson */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 Yeah, except that Fahrenheit degrees are smaller. For the same accuracy, you'd have to resort to digits to the right of the decimal point. Feh! --- On 2020-07-22 12:15, Bob Bridges wrote: Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
As others of this list will chime in, please look at www.dovetail.com for their CoZ product line. There's the free, with no formal support, and the chargeable, with formal support. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Listers: My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the default libraries. My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the whole install again? Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and execute. And later on install the new version Openssh. Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SFTP and z/OS Migration
Listers: My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the default libraries. My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the whole install again? Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and execute. And later on install the new version Openssh. Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Shirley 98.6. Wiki claims "The normal human body temperature range is typically stated as 36.5–37.5 °C (97.7–99.5 °F)." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? For weather I don't feel the need to distinguish between 67°F and 68°F. "High 60s" is close enough for most conversations. I suppose you already know this, but when someone (I forget who) first worked out the normal human temperature, he measured a number of people and arrived at an average of 37°C, plus or minus a few degrees. 37°C got translated to 96.6°F, which became a way-too-precise number adhered to by way-too-many moms. "99! You have a temperature! Get to bed!" --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it. -Sam Levenson */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 Yeah, except that Fahrenheit degrees are smaller. For the same accuracy, you'd have to resort to digits to the right of the decimal point. Feh! --- On 2020-07-22 12:15, Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
A kilogram is not a weight, Bob. Never has been; never will be. I'm not one to be anal-retentive. This point is more important than anything like that. I like your quote. That was a wise person. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, here? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Lazarus Long */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. You don't weigh anything in kilograms. :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. It's fun though, right? I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is something we could all ponder and be better off. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively euphonious. A personal bias. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told You So" by Rush Limbaugh */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without > having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are > cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. > > -Original Message- > From: Jackson, Rob > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but > I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every > time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life > is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, > since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in > Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at > zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I > never cared. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, here? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Lazarus Long */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. You don't weigh anything in kilograms. :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
For weather I don't feel the need to distinguish between 67°F and 68°F. "High 60s" is close enough for most conversations. I suppose you already know this, but when someone (I forget who) first worked out the normal human temperature, he measured a number of people and arrived at an average of 37°C, plus or minus a few degrees. 37°C got translated to 96.6°F, which became a way-too-precise number adhered to by way-too-many moms. "99! You have a temperature! Get to bed!" --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it. -Sam Levenson */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:22 Yeah, except that Fahrenheit degrees are smaller. For the same accuracy, you'd have to resort to digits to the right of the decimal point. Feh! --- On 2020-07-22 12:15, Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively euphonious. A personal bias. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated by hate or prejudice? Answer: We need thought police. -from "See, I Told You So" by Rush Limbaugh */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:17 Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. > > -Original Message- > From: Jackson, Rob > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but I > have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every time I > say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life is Celsius > degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, since they're > exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in Kelvins rather than > Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at zero. :) I couldn't tell > you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I never cared. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
If it were me I’d probably extract the IP addresses, use another program to look them up, then do a DFSORT / ICETOOL JOIN on the original report and the looked up IP addresses / domains. (And take any ambiguity as inevitable dirtiness in the data.) Cheers, Martin (NOT a DFSORT developer) Sent from my iPad > On 22 Jul 2020, at 19:02, Charles Mills wrote: > > I don't know but it sounds to me like kind of an inappropriate function to graft onto a sort program. Why not dollar to Euro conversion? Or meters to feet? > > Keep in mind (as @Shmuel said) that one IP address could have multiple "source" domains or URLs, and also that the mapping can change with no notice. > > Equally interesting -- perhaps more so from a security point of view -- is geo-location. Knowing that IP address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is in China or Bulgaria. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim Hare > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:58 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Possible new function for DFSORT? > > I don't think this function exists, and I'm thinking about writing up a SHARE requirement for it (which I guess these days becomes an RFE but I'm a member of SHARE so I think I'll go that way). I thought I'd ask whether it would be used enough to justify going through that process. > > What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary IP address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At the shop where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup when logging, to save some overhead.Yet, it's always nice, when creating a report such as 'who is connecting to us the most', to be able to assign a name rather than an IP address; if the lookup can be done _after_ the data is summarized it would be a lot more efficient. Hence the thinking about making this a function for SORT. > > I think this would involve two functions - one for IPV4 and one for IPV6. We might also like two formats similar to DT1 and the like, for formatting IPV4 and IPV6 binaries into strings. Although I think that can be managed now by handling individual parts of the binary and interspersing separator characters "manually" it would be much cleaner if it were handled like date/time fields are. > > Do you think this capability would be used enough to make it an RFE? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
I don't know but it sounds to me like kind of an inappropriate function to graft onto a sort program. Why not dollar to Euro conversion? Or meters to feet? Keep in mind (as @Shmuel said) that one IP address could have multiple "source" domains or URLs, and also that the mapping can change with no notice. Equally interesting -- perhaps more so from a security point of view -- is geo-location. Knowing that IP address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is in China or Bulgaria. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim Hare Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Possible new function for DFSORT? I don't think this function exists, and I'm thinking about writing up a SHARE requirement for it (which I guess these days becomes an RFE but I'm a member of SHARE so I think I'll go that way). I thought I'd ask whether it would be used enough to justify going through that process. What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary IP address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At the shop where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup when logging, to save some overhead.Yet, it's always nice, when creating a report such as 'who is connecting to us the most', to be able to assign a name rather than an IP address; if the lookup can be done _after_ the data is summarized it would be a lot more efficient. Hence the thinking about making this a function for SORT. I think this would involve two functions - one for IPV4 and one for IPV6. We might also like two formats similar to DT1 and the like, for formatting IPV4 and IPV6 binaries into strings. Although I think that can be managed now by handling individual parts of the binary and interspersing separator characters "manually" it would be much cleaner if it were handled like date/time fields are. Do you think this capability would be used enough to make it an RFE? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
You might check out www.maxmind.com They offer a variety of 'Geo' prefixed databases, at least one of which contains domain names, possibly eliminating the need to do DSN lookups. HTH, Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim Hare Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Possible new function for DFSORT? Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. I don't think this function exists, and I'm thinking about writing up a SHARE requirement for it (which I guess these days becomes an RFE but I'm a member of SHARE so I think I'll go that way). I thought I'd ask whether it would be used enough to justify going through that process. What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary IP address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At the shop where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup when logging, to save some overhead.Yet, it's always nice, when creating a report such as 'who is connecting to us the most', to be able to assign a name rather than an IP address; if the lookup can be done _after_ the data is summarized it would be a lot more efficient. Hence the thinking about making this a function for SORT. I think this would involve two functions - one for IPV4 and one for IPV6. We might also like two formats similar to DT1 and the like, for formatting IPV4 and IPV6 binaries into strings. Although I think that can be managed now by handling individual parts of the binary and interspersing separator characters "manually" it would be much cleaner if it were handled like date/time fields are. Do you think this capability would be used enough to make it an RFE? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Tell me about COBOL - Planet Mainframe
I'm all for training more programmers in languages till in use, e.g., COBOL, PL/I, but that won't solve the problems on the fron ends that are not written in, e.g., COBOL, but in languages for which there are lots of programmers. It's not a hardware issue and it's not a language issue; it's a management issue. BTW, what do you do when the CFO decrees that you stop buying cars with an unnecessary and wasteful spare tire, and the newspapers blame the resulting stranded drivers on the antiquated engine design? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mark Regan [marktre...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Fwd: Tell me about COBOL - Planet Mainframe https://secure-web.cisco.com/12AABa4DZLEqe6O-rtiQfbp8dw4cUQIAhwmGwUMiKzLIqazdjFftn9FlG3-YkvAaXCgmq6GCaJX61-BUE_-XbYnvkBc0eh29-IldOqiGHygdo7jxUm1Zy8WLkYYYt1uX34PQv5q3_bjxu5dhsihuft1hxODd9RkZNOVkpYLLtOP2PSURaSUTLTNbylZNDEr86DQyZgY0HQ-lPtWmajpxn6L941t6owAOGFkunhTkbuMLSbKgN9WjxnDPf4w5f21oDkPyIOIG0wT9n2E0WnLH3hAGIT11fIqQAkULShUywSRmXL9htU2ytWwKIDQxEAi3SIDxfl73x6ZzlWSio6ixOHIEr-MYGOBV1NoLv2Olb0FgV_PolxOJYIc_zVHObg66lsr5QMjOzhvaPlLmADEEHsdE5tosmLB6FCVhGYidPtRSPN1tCNzc-8-iMTp-_QSKt/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetmainframe.com%2F2020%2F07%2Ftell-me-about-cobol%2F Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Possible new function for DFSORT?
Keep in mind that multiple domain names can map to the same IP address. For that matter, a domain name can map to multiple IP addresses. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tim Hare [haresystemssupp...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Possible new function for DFSORT? I don't think this function exists, and I'm thinking about writing up a SHARE requirement for it (which I guess these days becomes an RFE but I'm a member of SHARE so I think I'll go that way). I thought I'd ask whether it would be used enough to justify going through that process. What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary IP address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At the shop where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup when logging, to save some overhead.Yet, it's always nice, when creating a report such as 'who is connecting to us the most', to be able to assign a name rather than an IP address; if the lookup can be done _after_ the data is summarized it would be a lot more efficient. Hence the thinking about making this a function for SORT. I think this would involve two functions - one for IPV4 and one for IPV6. We might also like two formats similar to DT1 and the like, for formatting IPV4 and IPV6 binaries into strings. Although I think that can be managed now by handling individual parts of the binary and interspersing separator characters "manually" it would be much cleaner if it were handled like date/time fields are. Do you think this capability would be used enough to make it an RFE? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, not of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jackson, Rob [rwjack...@firsthorizon.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. You don't weigh anything in kilograms. :) First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If you read the New Testament with an Old-Covenant heart, it will be just Law to you. Likewise, if you read the Old Testament with a New-Covenant heart, you will see Christ in all of it. -Rick Joyner, "The Apostolic Ministry" */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days. Tony, what's your mass here lately after Insanity-19? Let's have it in slugs, please, since that's the unit. Take you a dram and a scruple; add in a grain or two for precision, but make sure you convert it to mass. American standard--Imperial units; they're rubbish. Abject garbage. SI is not a fad, despite its origins. No fan of the "French;" no fan of "Trump;" no fan of anything political. But SI, revised a couple times or three, is a beautiful system of units in which one may compute physics. If you disagree, then I assert you have a challenge understanding many things about physics. I'm talking about mechanics and fluid dynamics. I'm too stupid for E, although the same equivalency attempts apply there. P.S. Apparently Imperial units have been redefined as relative to SI. Imagine that. https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Pm_NdRGjzh-gLPPSLRoo6uIFi2Zmzjn-DhAiYu7AFOvpzg1hS9s3rFWeJDelnUf-NPXN8vCxWk_eonnSq_hkj8tE9FRowi9Ufa1_YWYHDGdb-G5dR5VYahRIvmjnyo-oxSoXI3R_hXxdLU12IVc2vXzxjuZvHmVf4gIALNIWvuih1uzUP7wKDZ5-l6NakML4_k_bIIAWL3nOFjxO7Qa-FVlPiF_bLuF8cP5QGalWWwSedY63qwJVM-ejwaTo4MJfXd_vl8lp-n4uIQ3bRrqdldRDU1SqqDdPYSjEs8MwcbmN4rB5BKw-CtQjqgtAra2O24svgDIV--u1PnIj88J_JHKNi5PDKtFkfS9oEKziIWnTSpwZ5ekmvdoweF4BCKsYy6Ah12hsCqS-vM5yUH-r9LQ4Ft90Fz1wQzSfW7pdM78tePYEyc9jdlgTlRIbJzsLwl0AFzIIRK_fmWD4QLDbyA/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britannica.com%2Ftopic%2FImperial-unit P.P.S. This reminds me of many conversations with my father. He absolutely couldn't stand this type of thing, i.e. SI being obviously superior. I don't get it. It is what it is. As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I never cared. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:02 PM The practical value doesn't depend on how it started. Yes, I could say all sorts of things about how the mob interpreted "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", but it doesn't change the fact that nobody understands the English system of units. How many gills in a gallon? (That's a trick question; it depends on which kind of gallon.) How many ounces in a ton? Can you convert furlongs per fortnight to miles per hour? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or
Possible new function for DFSORT?
I don't think this function exists, and I'm thinking about writing up a SHARE requirement for it (which I guess these days becomes an RFE but I'm a member of SHARE so I think I'll go that way). I thought I'd ask whether it would be used enough to justify going through that process. What I'm thinking about is a function (well, two) to take a binary IP address and do DNS lookup, retrieving the host/domain name. At the shop where I'm currently working, many logs don't do the lookup when logging, to save some overhead.Yet, it's always nice, when creating a report such as 'who is connecting to us the most', to be able to assign a name rather than an IP address; if the lookup can be done _after_ the data is summarized it would be a lot more efficient. Hence the thinking about making this a function for SORT. I think this would involve two functions - one for IPV4 and one for IPV6. We might also like two formats similar to DT1 and the like, for formatting IPV4 and IPV6 binaries into strings. Although I think that can be managed now by handling individual parts of the binary and interspersing separator characters "manually" it would be much cleaner if it were handled like date/time fields are. Do you think this capability would be used enough to make it an RFE? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Is it time to mind our Ps and Qs yet? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W. Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. What about cubits and stadia? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] If we're going to express sympathy for imperial units, I've always thought the furlong was pretty useful. Not so much when you're driving a car, but for walking it works pretty well. Portages in Minnesota and Ontario are measured in rods, but I could never get my head wrapped around them. Besides, I think there are two different rods. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 09:47 For everyday life, though, I think American/Imperial units (and any other traditional systems that may survive elsewhere) have their advantages. They evolved because people found them useful. For example, when I’m cooking I could say 250 milliliters or one cup (they’re close enough for the precision I need) but one cup is simpler. Or if my pedometer says I’ve walked 2000 steps I know I’ve gone about a mile. (“Mile” comes from “mille passuum” = “a thousand of steps”; my pedometer counts left and right as separate steps but for the Romans you had to move both before they counted it.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
ObColePorter I call 40 °C TDH; in fact, local humidity being what it is, I call 30 °C (86 °F) TDH. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Pew, Curtis G [curtis@austin.utexas.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. If 30s are hot, what do you call 40s? We hit 106°F last week, which is just above 41°C. -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. If 30s are hot, what do you call 40s? We hit 106°F last week, which is just above 41°C. -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
What about cubits and stadia? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] If we're going to express sympathy for imperial units, I've always thought the furlong was pretty useful. Not so much when you're driving a car, but for walking it works pretty well. Portages in Minnesota and Ontario are measured in rods, but I could never get my head wrapped around them. Besides, I think there are two different rods. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 09:47 For everyday life, though, I think American/Imperial units (and any other traditional systems that may survive elsewhere) have their advantages. They evolved because people found them useful. For example, when I’m cooking I could say 250 milliliters or one cup (they’re close enough for the precision I need) but one cup is simpler. Or if my pedometer says I’ve walked 2000 steps I know I’ve gone about a mile. (“Mile” comes from “mille passuum” = “a thousand of steps”; my pedometer counts left and right as separate steps but for the Romans you had to move both before they counted it.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
If we're going to express sympathy for imperial units, I've always thought the furlong was pretty useful. Not so much when you're driving a car, but for walking it works pretty well. Portages in Minnesota and Ontario are measured in rods, but I could never get my head wrapped around them. Besides, I think there are two different rods. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 09:47 For everyday life, though, I think American/Imperial units (and any other traditional systems that may survive elsewhere) have their advantages. They evolved because people found them useful. For example, when I’m cooking I could say 250 milliliters or one cup (they’re close enough for the precision I need) but one cup is simpler. Or if my pedometer says I’ve walked 2000 steps I know I’ve gone about a mile. (“Mile” comes from “mille passuum” = “a thousand of steps”; my pedometer counts left and right as separate steps but for the Romans you had to move both before they counted it.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. You don't weigh anything in kilograms. :) First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If you read the New Testament with an Old-Covenant heart, it will be just Law to you. Likewise, if you read the Old Testament with a New-Covenant heart, you will see Christ in all of it. -Rick Joyner, "The Apostolic Ministry" */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days. Tony, what's your mass here lately after Insanity-19? Let's have it in slugs, please, since that's the unit. Take you a dram and a scruple; add in a grain or two for precision, but make sure you convert it to mass. American standard--Imperial units; they're rubbish. Abject garbage. SI is not a fad, despite its origins. No fan of the "French;" no fan of "Trump;" no fan of anything political. But SI, revised a couple times or three, is a beautiful system of units in which one may compute physics. If you disagree, then I assert you have a challenge understanding many things about physics. I'm talking about mechanics and fluid dynamics. I'm too stupid for E, although the same equivalency attempts apply there. P.S. Apparently Imperial units have been redefined as relative to SI. Imagine that. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Imperial-unit P.P.S. This reminds me of many conversations with my father. He absolutely couldn't stand this type of thing, i.e. SI being obviously superior. I don't get it. It is what it is. As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I never cared. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:02 PM The practical value doesn't depend on how it started. Yes, I could say all sorts of things about how the mob interpreted "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", but it doesn't change the fact that nobody understands the English system of units. How many gills in a gallon? (That's a trick question; it depends on which kind of gallon.) How many ounces in a ton? Can you convert furlongs per fortnight to miles per hour? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Yeah, except that Fahrenheit degrees are smaller. For the same accuracy, you'd have to resort to digits to the right of the decimal point. Feh! On 2020-07-22 12:15, Bob Bridges wrote: Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn't tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If you read the New Testament with an Old-Covenant heart, it will be just Law to you. Likewise, if you read the Old Testament with a New-Covenant heart, you will see Christ in all of it. -Rick Joyner, "The Apostolic Ministry" */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days. Tony, what's your mass here lately after Insanity-19? Let's have it in slugs, please, since that's the unit. Take you a dram and a scruple; add in a grain or two for precision, but make sure you convert it to mass. American standard--Imperial units; they're rubbish. Abject garbage. SI is not a fad, despite its origins. No fan of the "French;" no fan of "Trump;" no fan of anything political. But SI, revised a couple times or three, is a beautiful system of units in which one may compute physics. If you disagree, then I assert you have a challenge understanding many things about physics. I'm talking about mechanics and fluid dynamics. I'm too stupid for E, although the same equivalency attempts apply there. P.S. Apparently Imperial units have been redefined as relative to SI. Imagine that. https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britannica.com%2Ftopic%2FImperial-unitdata=02%7C01%7C%7C1f08f9d644ff4478e52508d82e5a8d55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637310313750326496sdata=o2W5RPBIlDxJdEtgYt8W%2BlOzErmp8kN5apiWIkk624A%3Dreserved=0 P.P.S. This reminds me of many conversations with my father. He absolutely couldn't stand this type of thing, i.e. SI being obviously superior. I don't get it. It is what it is. As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I never cared. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:02 PM The practical value doesn't depend on how it started. Yes, I could say all sorts of things about how the mob interpreted "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", but it doesn't change the fact that nobody understands the English system of units. How many gills in a gallon? (That's a trick question; it depends on which kind of gallon.) How many ounces in a ton? Can you convert furlongs per fortnight to miles per hour? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) Joe On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. > > I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like > centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn’t tell you how tall I am in cm. > I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you > how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* If you read the New Testament with an Old-Covenant heart, it will be > just > Law to you. Likewise, if you read the Old Testament with a New-Covenant > heart, you will see Christ in all of it. -Rick Joyner, “The Apostolic > Ministry” */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jackson, Rob > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 > > It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days. > > Tony, what's your mass here lately after Insanity-19? Let's have it in > slugs, please, since that's the unit. Take you a dram and a scruple; add > in > a grain or two for precision, but make sure you convert it to mass. > > American standard--Imperial units; they're rubbish. Abject garbage. SI is > not a fad, despite its origins. No fan of the "French;" no fan of "Trump;" > no fan of anything political. But SI, revised a couple times or three, is > a > beautiful system of units in which one may compute physics. If you > disagree, then I assert you have a challenge understanding many things > about > physics. I'm talking about mechanics and fluid dynamics. I'm too stupid > for E, although the same equivalency attempts apply there. > > P.S. Apparently Imperial units have been redefined as relative to SI. > Imagine that. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Imperial-unit > > P.P.S. This reminds me of many conversations with my father. He > absolutely > couldn't stand this type of thing, i.e. SI being obviously superior. I > don't get it. It is what it is. > > As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but I > have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every time I > say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life is Celsius > degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, since they're > exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in Kelvins rather than > Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at zero. :) I couldn't tell > you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I never cared. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of > Seymour J Metz > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:02 PM > > The practical value doesn't depend on how it started. Yes, I could say all > sorts of things about how the mob interpreted "Liberté, égalité, > fraternité", but it doesn't change the fact that nobody understands the > English system of units. How many gills in a gallon? (That's a trick > question; it depends on which kind of gallon.) How many ounces in a ton? > Can > you convert furlongs per fortnight to miles per hour? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldnt tell you how tall I am in cm. I'm happy in either pounds or kilos, but I'd have to calculate to tell you how many kg I weigh. But centigrade makes complete sense to me. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If you read the New Testament with an Old-Covenant heart, it will be just Law to you. Likewise, if you read the Old Testament with a New-Covenant heart, you will see Christ in all of it. -Rick Joyner, The Apostolic Ministry */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 23:23 It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days. Tony, what's your mass here lately after Insanity-19? Let's have it in slugs, please, since that's the unit. Take you a dram and a scruple; add in a grain or two for precision, but make sure you convert it to mass. American standard--Imperial units; they're rubbish. Abject garbage. SI is not a fad, despite its origins. No fan of the "French;" no fan of "Trump;" no fan of anything political. But SI, revised a couple times or three, is a beautiful system of units in which one may compute physics. If you disagree, then I assert you have a challenge understanding many things about physics. I'm talking about mechanics and fluid dynamics. I'm too stupid for E, although the same equivalency attempts apply there. P.S. Apparently Imperial units have been redefined as relative to SI. Imagine that. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Imperial-unit P.P.S. This reminds me of many conversations with my father. He absolutely couldn't stand this type of thing, i.e. SI being obviously superior. I don't get it. It is what it is. As a disclaimer, I'm not a complete bigot. I say miles and yards; but I have this nasty habit of converting them to meters in my mind every time I say them. The one thing I cannot get used to in every-day life is Celsius degrees. I think in Fahrenheit degrees. Oddly enough, since they're exactly the same thing, I find it easier to talk in Kelvins rather than Celsius degrees. Maybe I just like starting at zero. :) I couldn't tell you what absolute zero in Fahrenheit is; I guess I never cared. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:02 PM The practical value doesn't depend on how it started. Yes, I could say all sorts of things about how the mob interpreted "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", but it doesn't change the fact that nobody understands the English system of units. How many gills in a gallon? (That's a trick question; it depends on which kind of gallon.) How many ounces in a ton? Can you convert furlongs per fortnight to miles per hour? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I wondered whether someone would catch me on that. Yeah, I know AltaVista gave up the ghost a while ago. I still ~think~ "AltaVista"; I type "alta" in the address bar and select Yahoo from the list. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Programmer: We've all heard that the Inuits have 22 different words for snow...the English-speaking sailor has about the same number for "rope" and the carpenter considerably more for "piece of wood"; all three of them have special distinctions for the things that are important in their everyday lives. (And the programmer for "element of storage", come to think of it.) Screenwriter: Actually, screenwriters have 92 words for "gratuitously sexy." -From an email conversation, summer 1998 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 20:20 Not gonna sue you, but you realize AltaVista died in 2003, right? You’re using Yahoo, whose continued existence is a mystery to all. --- On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:52 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > You had me convinced, Tony :). I've recently started using "Google", > capitalized, to mean Google, but the lower-case verb "google" to mean > simply that I searched for something on-line. (By habit I use AltaVista, > actually. So I'm an old fart - so sue me.) So when I finally noticed that > you were saying "google" and not "Google", I thought maybe you were > referring to the internet generally, not Wikipedia specifically. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Sending email from the Mainframe
CSSMTP is a send only SMTP service - it does not receive anything. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Grant Taylor Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sending email from the Mainframe On 7/22/20 2:17 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > CSSMTP. No problem. IBM explains how to set up TLS with CSSMTP here > (current z/OS 2.4 documentation link, subject to change): > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v > 2r4.halz002/cssmtp_tls.htm That means that z/OS's CSSMTP will be near or on par with other SMTP servers and related problems securing SMTP traffic. Most of which have to do with the capabilities of the receiving SMTP server, which is outside of CSSMTP's control. > It's possible to require TLS 1.2+, exactly as you wish. (Good idea.) If you configure z/OS's CSSMTP to /require/ encryption, TLS 1.2 or otherwise, and the receiving SMTP system doesn't offer it, the email will be stuck on z/OS. Do you really want to have someone perform regular postmaster duties on z/OS? It might be better to send the email to another exissting corporate SMTP server where someone is already handling the postmaster duties. With or without encryption, be it STARTTLS, SMTPS (possibly via AT-TLS), IPsec transport mode, traditional VPN (IPsec tunnel mode or something else). The big question is where do you want the email that doesn't send to reside and who's responsible for managing the queue. > Tony Thigpen wrote: > > That's possible, but it means that your e-mail traffic is leaving your > z/OS machine in cleartext. Maybe, or maybe not. There are other ways to encrypt email leaving CSSMTP without STARTTLS or SMTPS. > This class of security risks is easily avoidable if you simply enable > TLS on z/OS. Simply enabling TLS on z/OS's CSSMTP is probably not sufficient to guarantee that the email transmission path to the next SMTP server will be encrypted. Both the sending end (CSSMTP) and the receiving end (remote SMTP server) need to support encryption. Most MTAs can be an encrypted client without their own TLS certificate. — Though a /client/ TLS certificate can be entertaining to use in place of username and password for authenticating the sending system to a relay. }:-) > (N.B. TLS is not "heavy lifting," or at least it hasn't been for a > very, very long time.) There may also be some unnecessary server > complexity in what you've done, adding some inherent fragility. Perhaps. Though I think there is some benefit to getting email queue management into the hands of people who's day job is administering email vs people who's day job is administering the mainframe, which quite likely is considerably more than just email. ;-) > To be clear (pun intended), there are still one or more e-mail servers > in the transmission path, of course. It's possible, but difficult to get the SMTP server count down to one, the receiving system. But this requires the sending application to be initiating outbound SMTP. Much more common is to have two SMTP servers, the one the application uses to send and the one that receives it on the other end. Depending on how things are done, this second path could be 0, 1, or 2 SMTP transactions, each with or without encryption which may be inside or outside of SMTP. > This is about encrypting the traffic, preferably with TLS certificate > authentication, as early as possible in the path. That statement sounds like it's trying to put a check mark in a checkbox. If the task at hand is to secure email, there are many ways to comply with the spirit -or- have acceptable risk between the mainframe and an SMTP server over a secure LAN in a secure data center. If you really want to adhere to the spirit, the email body contents should be encrypted. So that it doesn't matter nearly as much if the SMTP transmission path is encrypted or not. But that's another kettle of fish. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Sending email from the Mainframe
On 7/22/20 2:17 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: CSSMTP. No problem. IBM explains how to set up TLS with CSSMTP here (current z/OS 2.4 documentation link, subject to change): https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.halz002/cssmtp_tls.htm That means that z/OS's CSSMTP will be near or on par with other SMTP servers and related problems securing SMTP traffic. Most of which have to do with the capabilities of the receiving SMTP server, which is outside of CSSMTP's control. It's possible to require TLS 1.2+, exactly as you wish. (Good idea.) If you configure z/OS's CSSMTP to /require/ encryption, TLS 1.2 or otherwise, and the receiving SMTP system doesn't offer it, the email will be stuck on z/OS. Do you really want to have someone perform regular postmaster duties on z/OS? It might be better to send the email to another exissting corporate SMTP server where someone is already handling the postmaster duties. With or without encryption, be it STARTTLS, SMTPS (possibly via AT-TLS), IPsec transport mode, traditional VPN (IPsec tunnel mode or something else). The big question is where do you want the email that doesn't send to reside and who's responsible for managing the queue. Tony Thigpen wrote: That's possible, but it means that your e-mail traffic is leaving your z/OS machine in cleartext. Maybe, or maybe not. There are other ways to encrypt email leaving CSSMTP without STARTTLS or SMTPS. This class of security risks is easily avoidable if you simply enable TLS on z/OS. Simply enabling TLS on z/OS's CSSMTP is probably not sufficient to guarantee that the email transmission path to the next SMTP server will be encrypted. Both the sending end (CSSMTP) and the receiving end (remote SMTP server) need to support encryption. Most MTAs can be an encrypted client without their own TLS certificate. — Though a /client/ TLS certificate can be entertaining to use in place of username and password for authenticating the sending system to a relay. }:-) (N.B. TLS is not "heavy lifting," or at least it hasn't been for a very, very long time.) There may also be some unnecessary server complexity in what you've done, adding some inherent fragility. Perhaps. Though I think there is some benefit to getting email queue management into the hands of people who's day job is administering email vs people who's day job is administering the mainframe, which quite likely is considerably more than just email. ;-) To be clear (pun intended), there are still one or more e-mail servers in the transmission path, of course. It's possible, but difficult to get the SMTP server count down to one, the receiving system. But this requires the sending application to be initiating outbound SMTP. Much more common is to have two SMTP servers, the one the application uses to send and the one that receives it on the other end. Depending on how things are done, this second path could be 0, 1, or 2 SMTP transactions, each with or without encryption which may be inside or outside of SMTP. This is about encrypting the traffic, preferably with TLS certificate authentication, as early as possible in the path. That statement sounds like it's trying to put a check mark in a checkbox. If the task at hand is to secure email, there are many ways to comply with the spirit -or- have acceptable risk between the mainframe and an SMTP server over a secure LAN in a secure data center. If you really want to adhere to the spirit, the email body contents should be encrypted. So that it doesn't matter nearly as much if the SMTP transmission path is encrypted or not. But that's another kettle of fish. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PIPE command on zOS Platforms
Sadly Pipes is not available in native z/OS - it is available in the SmartBatch - the cover letter is here https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=DD=SM=897/ENUS5655-A17 - unfortunately this is really overkill if all you want is Pipes. Here is an RFE you can vote on requesting IBM to integrate Pipes into the base z/OS https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe_ID=47699 Hope this helps - please vote on the RFE and that may help to 'nudge' IBM but don't hold your breath. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jasi Grewal Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: PIPE command on zOS Platforms Hi, I have a z/OS System and unfortunately I cannot use PIPE commands in Rexx Programs. It states 'PIPE command not found' and does a Customer have to pay for the z/OS Feature to use PIPE's under Rexx Program. Which Product does a Customer have to order or enable to allow a user to use PIPE commands. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Regards, Jasi Grewal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Fwd: Tell me about COBOL - Planet Mainframe
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PIPE command on zOS Platforms
Hi, I have a z/OS System and unfortunately I cannot use PIPE commands in Rexx Programs. It states 'PIPE command not found' and does a Customer have to pay for the z/OS Feature to use PIPE's under Rexx Program. Which Product does a Customer have to order or enable to allow a user to use PIPE commands. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Regards, Jasi Grewal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: TS7760 Cache utilization
In case FTP is blocked... https://public.dhe.ibm.com/storage/tapetool - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:42 PM, Roger Lowe wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:49:20 +, Gadi Ben-Avi gad...@malam.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > How can I find out, using a batch job, the TS7760 cache utilization? > > Gadi, > Have a look at BVIR and VEHSTATS. These are part of the IBM TAPETOOLS package > and you should be able to download it from > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ > > Roger > > --- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply
It's a lot safer to have separate CSI/target/DLIB environments that you apply service to and a robust process for rolling the service forward. Applying service to a live system can cause all sorts of problems. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Giannelli [billgianne...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply thanks you your help here! so it seems to me you should have one CSI or target/dlib zone to match what is LIVE in production. then if you need a "one-off" ptf...aplly it there for implementation into your run time libraries. thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply
thanks you your help here! so it seems to me you should have one CSI or target/dlib zone to match what is LIVE in production. then if you need a "one-off" ptf...aplly it there for implementation into your run time libraries. thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, at 13:19, Bill Giannelli wrote: > I have run an apply for an RSU level for DB2 base. But now I need to > implement (move into my run time libraries) one module /PTF without the > rest of the maintenance for that RSU level. Can I move in individual > modules? or does the RSU level maintenance need to go in as a whole? Presumably it depends on whether the module you want to move was one affected by the RSU maintenance. If it wasn't, it might be ok. If it was, I'd presume not. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply
On 7/22/2020 8:29 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote: I have run an apply for an RSU level for DB2 base. But now I need to implement (move into my run time libraries) one module /PTF without the rest of the maintenance for that RSU level. Can I move in individual modules? or does the RSU level maintenance need to go in as a whole? No, I do not recommend you do that. Its too easy to miss a requisite. If you maintain an SMP/E environment that matches your "run time" libraries, then you can try to APPLY the subject PTF there, but generally its dangerous to manually copy only part of a whole. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply
Does the base have all the pre-sup's to allow apply of that one ptf, IMHO it would be dangerous, on the z/OS side I've only done this to fix a down system and then I eventually packaged that with any other maint on a new sysres and IPL'd again after. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Bill Giannelli" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:19:02 AM Subject: implementing one module/ ptf after apply I have run an apply for an RSU level for DB2 base. But now I need to implement (move into my run time libraries) one module /PTF without the rest of the maintenance for that RSU level. Can I move in individual modules? or does the RSU level maintenance need to go in as a whole? I hope my question makes sense. Thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: implementing one module/ ptf after apply
Cutting corners very dangerous. I advice you to develop a deployment plan for service that includes appropriate processes for individual PTFs, HIPER, RSU and whatever else you're using. That plan should include QA even for emergency fixes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Giannelli [billgianne...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: implementing one module/ ptf after apply I have run an apply for an RSU level for DB2 base. But now I need to implement (move into my run time libraries) one module /PTF without the rest of the maintenance for that RSU level. Can I move in individual modules? or does the RSU level maintenance need to go in as a whole? I hope my question makes sense. Thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
implementing one module/ ptf after apply
I have run an apply for an RSU level for DB2 base. But now I need to implement (move into my run time libraries) one module /PTF without the rest of the maintenance for that RSU level. Can I move in individual modules? or does the RSU level maintenance need to go in as a whole? I hope my question makes sense. Thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavi
Yes, you can use an OSA ICC 3270 session as a NIP console as long as the device number is in the OS Config NIP console list Bob Original message From: Brian Westerman Date: 7/22/20 2:43 AM (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavi You can use ICC 3270's as z/OS consoles, I think what you are referring to is that you may not be able to use them as NIP consoles. Brian On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:41:59 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote:>But, what does 3215 support have to do with the fact that z/OS requires >a special option on the ICC and can not use the 3270 option on the ICC?>>Tony Thigpen>>Lloyd Fuller wrote on 7/21/20 11:37 AM:>> z/VM and z/VSE allow 3215s as their consoles. z/OS does not. z/OS requires a 3270 full screen console.>> >> Regards.>> >> Lloyd>> >> -Original Message->> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:32 AM>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior>> >> I don't have an answer to that. I know what works and what does not. I never dug into what was different due to the settings.>> >> Most likely, it was something not in the specifications that z/OS happened to use, or had added for some reason, to the 3274 long ago.>> >> Tony Thigpen>> >> Seymour J Metz wrote on 7/21/20 9:32 AM:>>> Doesn't z/OS work with a real 3270 as a console? If so, then it's the ICC that's doing something nonstandard with the 3270 setting.> -->>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on>>> behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com]>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:18 AM>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior>> Brian,>> In regards to the '3270' or 'console' setting, that is very specific>>> to z/OS. On z/VSE and z/VM the consoles are set to '3270' in the ICC>>> configuration. Setting the value to 'console' for them will lead to>>> problems. Yet, on z/OS, you must set the field to 'console' handle to>>> some quirk that z/OS has as it relates to consoles.>> So, back to your question: "Why?", because z/OS again used something>>> non-standard in the operating system.>> (As someone that works across all three of the operating systems, I>>> see this often. z/OS plays by it's own house rules, not the rules>>> printed inside the box top.)>> Tony Thigpen>> Brian Westerman wrote on 7/21/20 4:44 AM: I completely disagree. Why would IBM have two settings in the configuration screen for them, one as a 3270 and the other as a console, if they only wanted you to be able to use consoles? Brian On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:25:54 +, Parwez Hamid wrote:> Agreed. The full name is OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller and was primarly meant to provide Console Support to IPL OSes. Overtime, its use has evolved but the basic concept remains.>> Regards>> Parwez Hamid>> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on> behalf of R.S. > Sent: 20 July 2020 12:17> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior>> Excuse me, but IMHO OSA-ICC is just way to get rid off old equipment> like 3174L. It is NOT replacement, it is only for local (called> non-SNA) terminals, printers and ...CONSOLES. Consoles are the most> important. Of course 3172, 3274, and other controllers were not the goal.>> IBM went looong way from 3174s to to ICC. There were 2074 (quite> expensive), VTAM consoles (not very usable for IPL), older SYSCON> (Operating System Messages on HMC) and the latest 3270-like SYSG aka> PCOMM-like icon in HMC. SYSG is AFAIK z/VM nomenclature.>>> BTW, Note, nomenclaure for "HMC-like" consoles:> 1. Operating System Messages> z/VM: SYSC> z/OS: SYSCON>> 2. HMC Integrated 3270 console (is it proper name?)> z/VM: SYSG> z/OS: HMCS>> I don't know about other OSes.>> --> Radoslaw Skorupka> Lodz, Poland>>> W dniu 19.07.2020 o 15:17, Tony Thigpen pisze:>> Christian,>> I was dismayed too when I first discovered this limitation. The>> OSA-C was originally intended to eliminate the local 3174>> requirement. It was not really designed to replace the 3172-003,>> which is what many are using it for today. And, you also need to look back at the OSA-C's roots which was the>> 3274 emulation in the P370, P390 and the MP3000. Tony Thigpen Christian Svensson wrote on 7/19/20 8:40 AM:>>> Thanks for the input folks.>> Brian: I have it
Re: TS7760 Cache utilization
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:12:05 -0500, Roger Lowe wrote: >On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:49:20 +, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: > >>Hi, >>How can I find out, using a batch job, the TS7760 cache utilization? >> >Gadi, > Have a look at BVIR and VEHSTATS. These are part of the IBM TAPETOOLS > package and you should be able to download it from > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ > You may also find ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/TS7700_Starting_with_VEHSTATS.pdf a useful document Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: TS7760 Cache utilization
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:49:20 +, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: >Hi, >How can I find out, using a batch job, the TS7760 cache utilization? > Gadi, Have a look at BVIR and VEHSTATS. These are part of the IBM TAPETOOLS package and you should be able to download it from ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: TS7760 Cache utilization
Request the Historial statistics and filter out the TVCSIZE and TVCUSED values. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: 22 July 2020 13:49 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: TS7760 Cache utilization Hi, How can I find out, using a batch job, the TS7760 cache utilization? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
TS7760 Cache utilization
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Re: Encrypting z/OS SNMP traps to Windows SNMP server
What about using SNMPv3? It is encrypted if you tell it to enable privacy. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 19:42 Charles Mills wrote: > Does SNMP flow by TCP or by UDP? UDP would be wrinkle. TLS-UDP is not > unheard of but not super common in my experience. Does AT-TLS support UDP? > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of John McKown > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:28 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Encrypting z/OS SNMP traps to Windows SNMP server > > This is a new requirement from the higher ups in our new owning company. We > are still on z/OS 1.12, so I don't have any new fancy stuff. We use > CA-OPS/MVS to trap "abend" messages from the CA-7 Browse log. We send these > messages to an Solar Winds "Orion" SNMP server so that it can interface > with CA Service Desk to automatically open Service Desk tickets. This is > all on internal (Data Center) LAN. But it is "server to server" by the > standards of our new masters and so it MUST be encrypted or we must stop > doing it. > > I have been trying to read up on AT/TLS, but it is totally over my head. I > don't really know anything about IP encryption. Or Windows people are also > ignorant of IP encryption on z/OS (of course). > > -- > People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Sending email from the Mainframe
Len Sasso wrote: >We are using CSSMTP to send email from the Mainframe. >All our messages must implement TLS 1.2 or higher for >transport level encryption. >What you using? CSSMTP. No problem. IBM explains how to set up TLS with CSSMTP here (current z/OS 2.4 documentation link, subject to change): https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.halz002/cssmtp_tls.htm It's possible to require TLS 1.2+, exactly as you wish. (Good idea.) Tony Thigpen wrote: >We found it easier to set up a small SMTP relay box on an >Intel platform and let it do all the TLS heavy lifting. That's possible, but it means that your e-mail traffic is leaving your z/OS machine in cleartext. This class of security risks is easily avoidable if you simply enable TLS on z/OS. (N.B. TLS is not "heavy lifting," or at least it hasn't been for a very, very long time.) There may also be some unnecessary server complexity in what you've done, adding some inherent fragility. To be clear (pun intended), there are still one or more e-mail servers in the transmission path, of course. This is about encrypting the traffic, preferably with TLS certificate authentication, as early as possible in the path. Allan Staller wrote: >We send everything plain text to the corporate email server >and let them handle it! I offer the same suggestion as above. - - - - - - - - - - Timothy Sipples I.T. Architect Executive Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions IBM Z & LinuxONE - - - - - - - - - - E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Encrypting z/OS SNMP traps to Windows SNMP server
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Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior
You can use ICC 3270's as z/OS consoles, I think what you are referring to is that you may not be able to use them as NIP consoles. Brian On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:41:59 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote: >But, what does 3215 support have to do with the fact that z/OS requires >a special option on the ICC and can not use the 3270 option on the ICC? > >Tony Thigpen > >Lloyd Fuller wrote on 7/21/20 11:37 AM: >> z/VM and z/VSE allow 3215s as their consoles. z/OS does not. z/OS requires >> a 3270 full screen console. >> >> Regards. >> >> Lloyd >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:32 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior >> >> I don't have an answer to that. I know what works and what does not. I never >> dug into what was different due to the settings. >> >> Most likely, it was something not in the specifications that z/OS happened >> to use, or had added for some reason, to the 3274 long ago. >> >> Tony Thigpen >> >> Seymour J Metz wrote on 7/21/20 9:32 AM: >>> Doesn't z/OS work with a real 3270 as a console? If so, then it's the ICC >>> that's doing something nonstandard with the 3270 setting. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >>> behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:18 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior >>> >>> Brian, >>> >>> In regards to the '3270' or 'console' setting, that is very specific >>> to z/OS. On z/VSE and z/VM the consoles are set to '3270' in the ICC >>> configuration. Setting the value to 'console' for them will lead to >>> problems. Yet, on z/OS, you must set the field to 'console' handle to >>> some quirk that z/OS has as it relates to consoles. >>> >>> So, back to your question: "Why?", because z/OS again used something >>> non-standard in the operating system. >>> >>> (As someone that works across all three of the operating systems, I >>> see this often. z/OS plays by it's own house rules, not the rules >>> printed inside the box top.) >>> >>> Tony Thigpen >>> >>> Brian Westerman wrote on 7/21/20 4:44 AM: I completely disagree. Why would IBM have two settings in the configuration screen for them, one as a 3270 and the other as a console, if they only wanted you to be able to use consoles? Brian On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:25:54 +, Parwez Hamid wrote: > Agreed. The full name is OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller and > was primarly meant to provide Console Support to IPL OSes. Overtime, its > use has evolved but the basic concept remains. > > Regards > > Parwez Hamid > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of R.S. > Sent: 20 July 2020 12:17 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior > > Excuse me, but IMHO OSA-ICC is just way to get rid off old equipment > like 3174L. It is NOT replacement, it is only for local (called > non-SNA) terminals, printers and ...CONSOLES. Consoles are the most > important. Of course 3172, 3274, and other controllers were not the goal. > > IBM went looong way from 3174s to to ICC. There were 2074 (quite > expensive), VTAM consoles (not very usable for IPL), older SYSCON > (Operating System Messages on HMC) and the latest 3270-like SYSG aka > PCOMM-like icon in HMC. SYSG is AFAIK z/VM nomenclature. > > > BTW, Note, nomenclaure for "HMC-like" consoles: > 1. Operating System Messages > z/VM: SYSC > z/OS: SYSCON > > 2. HMC Integrated 3270 console (is it proper name?) > z/VM: SYSG > z/OS: HMCS > > I don't know about other OSes. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 19.07.2020 o 15:17, Tony Thigpen pisze: >> Christian, >> I was dismayed too when I first discovered this limitation. The >> OSA-C was originally intended to eliminate the local 3174 >> requirement. It was not really designed to replace the 3172-003, >> which is what many are using it for today. >> >> And, you also need to look back at the OSA-C's roots which was the >> 3274 emulation in the P370, P390 and the MP3000. >> >> Tony Thigpen >> >> Christian Svensson wrote on 7/19/20 8:40 AM: >>> Thanks for the input folks. >>> >>> Brian: I have it working just fine, the setup was easy as you said >>> - the reason I started this thread was because I couldn't >>> understand why the limitations on the TCP port number and the >>> philosophy
