Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-10 Thread Richards, Robert B.
I am in the middle of a CBU test and was wondering if it is possible on z/OS 
yet to dynamically add (config or otherwise) a CP or two to an lpar *without* 
that partition already having any specified as reserved in their activation 
profile. A friend said yes, but I was unable locate how using the HMC.

Bob

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:56:32 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
 wrote:

>I am in the middle of a CBU test and was wondering if it is possible on z/OS 
>yet to dynamically add (config or otherwise) a CP or two to an lpar *without* 
>that partition already having any specified as reserved in their activation 
>profile. A friend said yes, but I was unable locate how using the HMC.
>
>Bob

I didn't see a response to this.   It would be "Logical Processor Add " under 
Operational
Customization for the LPAR, but you need (digging back in memory now) z10 and
z/OS 1.10.I assume you meet the requirements by now.  :-)

Best regards,

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-11 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
I am quite sure, at least for the z196, that you can online config CPs online, 
if they have been defined as Reserved. To do so, you must change the LPAR 
profile and de/reactivate the LPAR. So dynamically, in a running z/OS: no.

Kees.

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On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:56:32 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
 wrote:

>I am in the middle of a CBU test and was wondering if it is possible on z/OS 
>yet to dynamically add (config or otherwise) a CP or two to an lpar *without* 
>that partition already having any specified as reserved in their activation 
>profile. A friend said yes, but I was unable locate how using the HMC.
>
>Bob

I didn't see a response to this.   It would be "Logical Processor Add " under 
Operational
Customization for the LPAR, but you need (digging back in memory now) z10 and
z/OS 1.10.I assume you meet the requirements by now.  :-)

Best regards,

Mark
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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Christian Borntraeger
On 05/12/2016 08:33 AM, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:
> I am quite sure, at least for the z196, that you can online config CPs 
> online, if they have been defined as Reserved. To do so, you must change the 
> LPAR profile and de/reactivate the LPAR. So dynamically, in a running z/OS: 
> no.
> 
> Kees.

With all newer machines there is a "logical CPU add" that can add CPUs even if 
reserved == 0.
You will be asked if that should happen for the running system, the profile or 
both.

These CPUs appear then as reserved and can be configured on from the operating 
system. At least
that works with Linux and a z196 and IFLs, so I assume z/OS should be able to 
do then same.

Christian

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Yes, I meet the requirements. :-)

I found the logical processor add and proved it works as advertised. The only 
surprise was the lack of ability to decrement processors without a deactivate. 

Thanks for responding. 

Bob

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On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:56:32 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
 wrote:

>I am in the middle of a CBU test and was wondering if it is possible on z/OS 
>yet to dynamically add (config or otherwise) a CP or two to an lpar *without* 
>that partition already having any specified as reserved in their activation 
>profile. A friend said yes, but I was unable locate how using the HMC.
>
>Bob

I didn't see a response to this.   It would be "Logical Processor Add " under 
Operational
Customization for the LPAR, but you need (digging back in memory now) z10 and
z/OS 1.10.I assume you meet the requirements by now.  :-)

Best regards,

Mark
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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Richards, Robert B.
I can assure all that it works to ADD with reserved = 0 and without 
Activate/Deactivate. Once you add with "change running system", you issue a 
CONFIG CPU command and "Voila!", instant  capacity increase. Don't forget that 
I am currently running a CBU test and had the extra physical processors 
available but unassigned to any of the normal activation profiles.

I do have a follow-up question Is anyone aware of a downside to over 
specifying reserved CPs?

Bob

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On 05/12/2016 08:33 AM, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:
> I am quite sure, at least for the z196, that you can online config CPs 
> online, if they have been defined as Reserved. To do so, you must change the 
> LPAR profile and de/reactivate the LPAR. So dynamically, in a running z/OS: 
> no.
> 
> Kees.

With all newer machines there is a "logical CPU add" that can add CPUs even if 
reserved == 0.
You will be asked if that should happen for the running system, the profile or 
both.

These CPUs appear then as reserved and can be configured on from the operating 
system. At least that works with Linux and a z196 and IFLs, so I assume z/OS 
should be able to do then same.

Christian

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Martin Packer
Bob, the last refuge of a scoundrel / ignoramous is "control blocks". :-) 
I'd be concerned only if they were below the line. "PCCA" comes to mind 
but I might've just made that up. :-)

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From:   "Richards, Robert B." 
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I can assure all that it works to ADD with reserved = 0 and without 
Activate/Deactivate. Once you add with "change running system", you issue 
a CONFIG CPU command and "Voila!", instant  capacity increase. Don't 
forget that I am currently running a CBU test and had the extra physical 
processors available but unassigned to any of the normal activation 
profiles.

I do have a follow-up question Is anyone aware of a downside to over 
specifying reserved CPs?

Bob

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On 05/12/2016 08:33 AM, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:
> I am quite sure, at least for the z196, that you can online config CPs 
online, if they have been defined as Reserved. To do so, you must change 
the LPAR profile and de/reactivate the LPAR. So dynamically, in a running 
z/OS: no.
> 
> Kees.

With all newer machines there is a "logical CPU add" that can add CPUs 
even if reserved == 0.
You will be asked if that should happen for the running system, the 
profile or both.

These CPUs appear then as reserved and can be configured on from the 
operating system. At least that works with Linux and a z196 and IFLs, so I 
assume z/OS should be able to do then same.

Christian

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Martin Packer
Decrement would be more complicated, especially if there were work running 
on the supernumary ones.

I learnt "decrement is harder than increment" with PAGEDEL being later 
than PAGEADD. Also with DB2 Buffer Pool Dynamic sizing.

I believe the slightly less than polite term is "evacuation". :-)

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Yes, I meet the requirements. :-)

I found the logical processor add and proved it works as advertised. The 
only surprise was the lack of ability to decrement processors without a 
deactivate. 

Thanks for responding. 

Bob

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On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:56:32 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
 wrote:

>I am in the middle of a CBU test and was wondering if it is possible on 
z/OS yet to dynamically add (config or otherwise) a CP or two to an lpar 
*without* that partition already having any specified as reserved in their 
activation profile. A friend said yes, but I was unable locate how using 
the HMC.
>
>Bob

I didn't see a response to this.   It would be "Logical Processor Add " 
under Operational
Customization for the LPAR, but you need (digging back in memory now) z10 
and
z/OS 1.10.I assume you meet the requirements by now.  :-)

Best regards,

Mark
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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Jon Butler
You can add CPs or memory to an active LPAR, but you can't take either away 
without stopping the LPAR.   You don't want more CPs assigned than you (or 
PR/SM) can use...it's just overhead.  In fact, unused CPs will be "parked" on 
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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Warren, Cliff
Although this is not an HMC task I find I can either add or take away a CP on 
an individual LPAR with the following MVS command. 


CF CPU(1),OFFLINE< Puts one CP offline in this case CP #1


CF CPU(2),ONLINE< Puts one CP online in this case CP #2

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You can add CPs or memory to an active LPAR, but you can't take either away 
without stopping the LPAR.   You don't want more CPs assigned than you (or 
PR/SM) can use...it's just overhead.  In fact, unused CPs will be "parked" on 
newer CECs when underutilized.  

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I’m not sure what the problem is with removing active CPs. At the start of a 
CBU window, extra CPs are made available in the hardware. If a system is newly 
IPLed at that point, it will see all available CPs defined in the Image 
profile. If a system is already running when CBU is activated, additional CPs 
must be configured online by MVS command. 

At the end of a CBU window, an LPAR may be deactivated if desired, or the extra 
CPs may simply be configured offline by MVS command, at which point the OS will 
no longer 'see' the removal of CBU CPs. This is fully dynamic.

There is (only?) one clue in the OS that CBU has been started or stopped. WLM 
issues a message about a capacity change upon either adding or removing CP(s). 
That message should be highlighted in everyone's automation and broadcast in 
some way because it can also occur in the case of a hardware problem. We once 
had an internal cooling problem that caused CPU degradation in the box. We got 
the same WLM message. 

Likewise storage may be configured on or offline dynamically if and only if it 
has been defined at IPL as RECONFIGURABLE.

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You can add CPs or memory to an active LPAR, but you can't take either away 
without stopping the LPAR.   You don't want more CPs assigned than you (or 
PR/SM) can use...it's just overhead.  In fact, unused CPs will be "parked" on 
newer CECs when underutilized


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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Martin Packer
This and the post it replies to suggests we might be getting muddied in 
our terminology.

I think the original post was about DEFINING engines, rather than parking 
them or varying them on and offline.

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Although this is not an HMC task I find I can either add or take away a CP 
on an individual LPAR with the following MVS command. 


CF CPU(1),OFFLINE< Puts one CP offline in this case CP #1


CF CPU(2),ONLINE< Puts one CP online in this case CP #2

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You can add CPs or memory to an active LPAR, but you can't take either 
away without stopping the LPAR.   You don't want more CPs assigned than 
you (or PR/SM) can use...it's just overhead.  In fact, unused CPs will be 
"parked" on newer CECs when underutilized. 

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 12 May 2016 07:30:03 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
 wrote:

>I do have a follow-up question Is anyone aware of a downside to over 
>specifying reserved CPs? 

LCCA/PCCA storage.   But the default CBLOC has been VIRTUAL31 since z/OS 1.12.  
Even
if you are still overriding it to below the line it shouldn't be a problem 
unless you are reserving
a large number (FSVO large) and have 24-bit issues already in your common / pvt 
storage. 

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 5/12/2016 10:17 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:

LCCA/PCCA storage.   But the default CBLOC has been VIRTUAL31 since z/OS 1.12.  
Even
if you are still overriding it to below the line it shouldn't be a problem 
unless you are reserving
a large number (FSVO large) and have 24-bit issues already in your common / pvt 
storage.


Not just virtual; there is also a good deal of real storage wasted if 
too many CPUs are reserved. That's one reason why MVS lowered the 
default DYNCPADD count to 16 starting in z/OS 2.1. Before that, the 
value was _all_ CPUs that could be configured to the LPAR i.e., the max 
supported by z/OS or the number actually on the box, whichever was lower...


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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-12 Thread Greg Dyck

On 5/12/2016 10:17 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:

On Thu, 12 May 2016 07:30:03 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
 wrote:


I do have a follow-up question Is anyone aware of a downside to over 
specifying reserved CPs?


LCCA/PCCA storage.   But the default CBLOC has been VIRTUAL31 since z/OS 1.12.  
Even
if you are still overriding it to below the line it shouldn't be a problem 
unless you are reserving
a large number (FSVO large) and have 24-bit issues already in your common / pvt 
storage.


Not true.  LCCA/PCCA storage is only allocated for a CP when a CP is 
logically online.


The maximum number of CPs is dependent on the value of CVTMAXMP that is 
set when z/OS IPL's.  This value effects the size of many other control 
blocks, including, but not limited to, the LCCAVT and the PCCAVT.  Which 
is why CVTMAXMP can not be increased dynamically.  While over specifying 
reserved CPs does have an impact on storage usage, it is a *minor* 
impact until the CPs are actually brought online to z/OS.  So don't 
worry about over specifying the value.

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-13 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Greg,

In your opinion, would it be okay to specify a reserve value to all partition 
profiles that equals the highest number of CPs that my CBU records allow? 

This would allow for total flexibility of CP assignment to any or all lpars. In 
my case, it would also apply to a second set of backup partitions on an 
opposing CPC for data center failover capability.

Bob

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On 5/12/2016 10:17 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2016 07:30:03 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
>  wrote:
>
>> I do have a follow-up question Is anyone aware of a downside to over 
>> specifying reserved CPs?
>
> LCCA/PCCA storage.   But the default CBLOC has been VIRTUAL31 since z/OS 
> 1.12.  Even
> if you are still overriding it to below the line it shouldn't be a 
> problem unless you are reserving a large number (FSVO large) and have 24-bit 
> issues already in your common / pvt storage.

Not true.  LCCA/PCCA storage is only allocated for a CP when a CP is logically 
online.

The maximum number of CPs is dependent on the value of CVTMAXMP that is set 
when z/OS IPL's.  This value effects the size of many other control blocks, 
including, but not limited to, the LCCAVT and the PCCAVT.  Which is why 
CVTMAXMP can not be increased dynamically.  While over specifying reserved CPs 
does have an impact on storage usage, it is a *minor* impact until the CPs are 
actually brought online to z/OS.  So don't worry about over specifying the 
value.
Greg

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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-13 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 5/13/2016 4:07 AM, Richards, Robert B. wrote:

... would it be okay to specify a reserve value to all partition profiles that 
equals the highest number of CPs that my CBU records allow?

This would allow for total flexibility of CP assignment to any or all lpars. In 
my case, it would also apply to a second set of backup partitions on an 
opposing CPC for data center failover capability.


That's precisely the behavior you get when you specify 'DYNCPADD ENABLE' 
rather than 'DYNCPADD ' in LOADxx:


www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieae200/stpldx.htm


When you specify ENABLE, z/OS prepares to dynamically add the smaller of 
the following:

o Highest CPU/core ID the hardware supports
o Highest CPU/core ID the z/OS release supports.


This is followed by, "IBM® recommends specifying  to avoid 
allocating CPU/core-related storage for CPUs/cores that will never be 
dynamically added for the life of the IPL."


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Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

2016-05-13 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Furthermore, even in 2.1, if the parameter is not specified (we do not), the 
default is 16 for . That's plenty for us. 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Ed Jaffe
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 7:49 AM
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Subject: (External):Re: Dynamic CPU ADD to a z/OS lpar

On 5/13/2016 4:07 AM, Richards, Robert B. wrote:
> ... would it be okay to specify a reserve value to all partition profiles 
> that equals the highest number of CPs that my CBU records allow?
>
> This would allow for total flexibility of CP assignment to any or all lpars. 
> In my case, it would also apply to a second set of backup partitions on an 
> opposing CPC for data center failover capability.

That's precisely the behavior you get when you specify 'DYNCPADD ENABLE' 
rather than 'DYNCPADD ' in LOADxx:

www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieae200/stpldx.htm


When you specify ENABLE, z/OS prepares to dynamically add the smaller of the 
following:
o Highest CPU/core ID the hardware supports o Highest CPU/core ID the z/OS 
release supports.


This is followed by, "IBM® recommends specifying  to avoid allocating 
CPU/core-related storage for CPUs/cores that will never be dynamically added 
for the life of the IPL."

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