Re: Hyphens of mass destruction: When a clumsy finger meant the end for hundreds of (mainframe) jobs . The Register

[Seymour J Metz]

Dyslexia is not just a problem with hyphens. I once typed EXEC CMS ERASE when I 
meant ERASE CMS EXEC and was the fastest PA1 in the West.


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Re: Hyphens of mass destruction: When a clumsy finger meant the end for hundreds of (mainframe) jobs . The Register

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:59:40 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:

>I'm not sure about JES2 interpreting a job number as negative.  But the
>"convenient" wrap-around range feature did get an operator fired at my shop
>many years ago.  He intended to purge 2 jobs: $PJ1234-1235, but prematurely
>hit enter after $PJ1234-123.  Didn't make any noise until the supervisor &
>managers & users, etc. starting screaming.  Eventually they determined that
>a head must roll.
> 
I've always felt it safer to terminate a loop on inequality (">=") rather
than equality ("=="), particularly with a floating point control variable.
"convenient" be dammed!

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Re: Hyphens of mass destruction: When a clumsy finger meant the end for hundreds of (mainframe) jobs . The Register

[Steve Smith]

I'm not sure about JES2 interpreting a job number as negative.  But the
"convenient" wrap-around range feature did get an operator fired at my shop
many years ago.  He intended to purge 2 jobs: $PJ1234-1235, but prematurely
hit enter after $PJ1234-123.  Didn't make any noise until the supervisor &
managers & users, etc. starting screaming.  Eventually they determined that
a head must roll.

JES2 doesn't do "Are you sure (Y/N)"... not that I think that's often
helpful.  Systems Programming was subsequently tasked to suppress any JES2
command with a hyphen in it.

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Jon Butler  wrote:

> It's not libel if it's true...although they may know where you live ;¬))
>
>
​But remember that, regardless of truth (per Pilate: "What is truth?"; John
18:38) you can still get sued and convicted for libel if the  has
good enough lawyers and enough money. ​


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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Todd Last]

I live in Austin but I'm not going to attend SXSW.  Way too many people.  Are 
mainframe jobs open around here or are companies just recruiting?  I haven't 
heard of any sysprog job open lately but I'm always looking.

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:57 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
> 
> Ed.
> 
> I am nost surprised, it seems critical thinking has disappeared or is
> hiding.
> It's like the cycle of a company centralizing IT resources and
> de-centralizing..all at the whim of some mangler.
> I feel you have to have a long range game plan for company, products, etc.
> 
> Scott

This company is unique and the “owners” are the brokerage houses. i.e. a sale 
costs x many cents and we got the x many cents, Anytime we had to increase the 
prices the brokerage houses screamed bloody murder. For instance a new CPU for 
us took profits away from the buys/sellers. We always had to beg money out of 
them for anything. When the brokers heard that they could make more money if 
the DC was in Texas they mandated the move.
I think what bit them in the end was the automated sell/buy orders. At one time 
we were doing 200,000 contracts a day and with computerized trading it broke 
2,000,000 a day.

Ed

ps: The numbers I used were rough numbers as its been 20+ years and my memories 
is going.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:23 AM Edward Gould 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 8:17 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
>> 
>>> really aren't a dime a dozen.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> My dad used to say "buy cheap get cheap", see this everyday..
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott:
>> 
>> A place I used to work moved their computers down to TEXAS as its was
>> supposed to save them money.
>> 
>> It didn’t.
>> 
>> Ed
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[scott Ford]

Ed.

I am nost surprised, it seems critical thinking has disappeared or is
hiding.
It's like the cycle of a company centralizing IT resources and
de-centralizing..all at the whim of some mangler.
I feel you have to have a long range game plan for company, products, etc.

Scott

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:23 AM Edward Gould 
wrote:

> > On Mar 11, 2017, at 8:17 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
>
> > really aren't a dime a dozen.
>
> >
>
> > My dad used to say "buy cheap get cheap", see this everyday..
>
> >
>
> > Scott
>
>
>
> Scott:
>
> A place I used to work moved their computers down to TEXAS as its was
> supposed to save them money.
>
> It didn’t.
>
> Ed
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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 8:17 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
> 
> Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
> really aren't a dime a dozen.
> 
> My dad used to say "buy cheap get cheap", see this everyday..
> 
> Scott

Scott: 
A place I used to work moved their computers down to TEXAS as its was supposed 
to save them money.
It didn’t.
Ed

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Steve Beaver]

My fat finger -- Sorry

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Steve Beaver <st...@stevebeaver.com> wrote:

> Also H1B visas are all on a slow path.  There is no way to pay a fee 
> to expedite a VISA after April 3, 2017
>

​Wow, that's like 90 years in the future! Oh, you typo'd 2017.​


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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Jack J. Woehr]

Steve Beaver wrote:

W@H home means you are up at 6 working at 0630, lunch in in the kitchen, and in 
the middle of the night you wake up
To fix code you wrote or fix the system.

If anyone is abused it’s the guy that works from home because they can find you 
anytime and you are not stuck in traffic or on a
Bus going home with no access for 90 minutes or so.


Once again you describe my professional life ;)

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Steve Beaver  wrote:

> Also H1B visas are all on a slow path.  There is no way to pay a fee to
> expedite a VISA after April 3, 2107
>

​Wow, that's like 90 years in the future! Oh, you typo'd 2017.​


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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Edward Finnell]

Guess if you want more yield, plant more seeds! Think the US has slipped to 
 14th in education. Seems obvious we need more professors, more 
scholarships,  better labs, better research facilities. Seems like would be a 
good  
task  force for government and industry to address these critical  needs.
 
Oh don't forget to Spring Forward tonight in the US.
 
 
In a message dated 3/11/2017 9:11:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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People  in the U.S., unlike
unfortunates in other countries, are not really willing  to be slaves. I
have some stories about a well known vendor, from a friend,  but I can't
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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Steve Beaver]

W@H home means you are up at 6 working at 0630, lunch in in the kitchen, and in 
the middle of the night you wake up
To fix code you wrote or fix the system.

If anyone is abused it’s the guy that works from home because they can find you 
anytime and you are not stuck in traffic or on a 
Bus going home with no access for 90 minutes or so.



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Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
> Interesting you say that you have seen W@H abused.  I have not seen that at 
> all here; quite the contrary -- the employer gets a great deal more of our 
> development time than we're actually bound to do, just because it is so 
> productive a way to work and so easy to do "just one more round of tests, 
> I've almost got it . . .".

You describe my professional life ...

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Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

Interesting you say that you have seen W@H abused.  I have not seen that at all here; 
quite the contrary -- the employer gets a great deal more of our development time than 
we're actually bound to do, just because it is so productive a way to work and so easy to 
do "just one more round of tests, I've almost got it . . .".


You describe my professional life ...

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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Also H1B visas are all on a slow path.  There is no way to pay a fee to 
expedite a VISA after April 3, 2107



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The other thing in the same vein as Jack is talking about what said when I 
started this chain.  With so few of us, stop accepting the $60/HR and push to 
$110/HR as if you were a LLC and charge for travel and living expenses

Also as most of you know your $60 converts to $150 because a recruiter is in 
place and wants $10 out of what you are getting paid



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Doug Fuerst wrote:
> If I take these rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. 
> There are fewer and fewer of us, and yet they demand more and more for less 
> and less.

Time to form a consulting LLC and work from home via VPN at high rates. They've 
marked down those who want "employment" 
as suckers.

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Steve Beaver]

The other thing in the same vein as Jack is talking about what said when I 
started this chain.  With so few of us, stop accepting the $60/HR and push to 
$110/HR as if you were a LLC and charge for travel and living expenses

Also as most of you know your $60 converts to $150 because a recruiter is in 
place and wants $10 out of what you are getting paid



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Doug Fuerst wrote:
> If I take these rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. 
> There are fewer and fewer of us, and yet they demand more and more for less 
> and less.

Time to form a consulting LLC and work from home via VPN at high rates. They've 
marked down those who want "employment" 
as suckers.

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Steve Beaver]

I have no doubt most of you in the US have been getting e-mail for jobs in 
Nebraska.  If memory serves me correctly they have been pushing the manta 
$60/HR but you have to be on-site.

Well it looks like the State of Nebraska has now looking for people, this time 
remote.  However I am guessing you will have to travel to Nebraska for 1 week 
of meet and greet an pick up a laptop but they will expect the remote worker to 
pay the bills for the week.  Any bets?


Steve   


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Interesting you say that you have seen W@H abused.  I have not seen that at all 
here; quite the contrary -- the employer gets a great deal more of our 
development time than we're actually bound to do, just because it is so 
productive a way to work and so easy to do "just one more round of tests, I've 
almost got it . . .".

I will say that there are still managers (even not so senior ones) who are so 
afraid of slacking that they limit W@H opportunities even for programmers.  I 
think it depends on your own personal attitude - if you think you would slack 
at home (or do slack) then you think everyone else will do it too.  For myself, 
I am so grateful for the opportunity for W@H that I make *darn* sure not to 
screw it up for me or for anyone else on my team.

But to play devil's advocate a little, I imagine that managers who are dealing 
with really remote workers in other countries and cultures and time zones 
complicates the issue too.

To Mike B:

I thought that the "no more work at home for anyone" was Yahoo, wasn't it?  
ISTR the IBM mandate was for marketing department types, not programmers, but I 
could be wrong about that (memory is a slippery thing).

Peter

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I have worked remote since 2006. You have to have a company / mgmt that is 
willing to do it.
I have since it abused also..

Scott

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:17 PM Mike Beer <m...@beer.at> wrote:

> IBM is currently moving the people back to the office.
>
> No more remote work.
>
> Mike
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[Farley, Peter x23353]

Interesting you say that you have seen W@H abused.  I have not seen that at all 
here; quite the contrary -- the employer gets a great deal more of our 
development time than we're actually bound to do, just because it is so 
productive a way to work and so easy to do "just one more round of tests, I've 
almost got it . . .".

I will say that there are still managers (even not so senior ones) who are so 
afraid of slacking that they limit W@H opportunities even for programmers.  I 
think it depends on your own personal attitude - if you think you would slack 
at home (or do slack) then you think everyone else will do it too.  For myself, 
I am so grateful for the opportunity for W@H that I make *darn* sure not to 
screw it up for me or for anyone else on my team.

But to play devil's advocate a little, I imagine that managers who are dealing 
with really remote workers in other countries and cultures and time zones 
complicates the issue too.

To Mike B:

I thought that the "no more work at home for anyone" was Yahoo, wasn't it?  
ISTR the IBM mandate was for marketing department types, not programmers, but I 
could be wrong about that (memory is a slippery thing).

Peter

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I have worked remote since 2006. You have to have a company / mgmt that is
willing to do it.
I have since it abused also..

Scott

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> IBM is currently moving the people back to the office.
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> No more remote work.
>
> Mike
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I have worked remote since 2006. You have to have a company / mgmt that is
willing to do it.
I have since it abused also..

Scott

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:17 PM Mike Beer  wrote:

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IBM is currently moving the people back to the office.
No more remote work.

Mike

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Jack J. Woehr]

Dan Skomsky wrote:

I'd take a look at it.  Maybe examine a program or two and see if it looks 
interesting.


Let ya know if it really happens.

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I'd take a look at it.  Maybe examine a program or two and see if it looks 
interesting.

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scott Ford wrote:
> Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers 
> really aren't a dime a dozen.

Somebody asked me the other day about converting 1000 programs from Assembler 
to Cobol.

If that is jumping off (not sure of the deal) is anyone interested?

Probably can work from home.

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Jack J. Woehr]

scott Ford wrote:

Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
really aren't a dime a dozen.


Somebody asked me the other day about converting 1000 programs from Assembler 
to Cobol.

If that is jumping off (not sure of the deal) is anyone interested?

Probably can work from home.

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, wjanu...@yahoo.com <
008d52e04f2e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> These companies need to get out of the 'stone age'.
>
>
​Sound more like "We can't get qualified American citizens for our needs.
Therefore we need to have more H1B visas!" I.e. People in the U.S., unlike
unfortunates in other countries, are not really willing to be slaves. I
have some stories about a well known vendor, from a friend, but I can't
repeat them due to fear of a libel lawsuit.​

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These companies need to get out of the 'stone age'.

Sent from my mobile phone 


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Subject:Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

I'm just trying to wait them out. If no one takes these "significant 
rate" "opportunities", and refuse to move for 3 month to 12 month 
non-guaranteed assignments, maybe they'll figure out remote is the way 
to go.

Doug Fuerst
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Subject: Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

>Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
>really aren't a dime a dozen.
>
>My dad used to say "buy cheap get cheap", see this everyday..
>
>Scott
>
>
>On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:19 AM Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
>
>>  Doug Fuerst wrote:
>>
>>  > If I take these rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. 
>>There
>>  are fewer and fewer of us, and yet they
>>
>>  > demand more and more for less and less.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Time to form a consulting LLC and work from home via VPN at high 
>>rates.
>>  They've marked down those who want "employment"
>>
>>  as suckers.
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
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>>of
>>
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>>  universe
>>
>>  www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. -
>>  Carl Sagan
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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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I'm just trying to wait them out. If no one takes these "significant 
rate" "opportunities", and refuse to move for 3 month to 12 month 
non-guaranteed assignments, maybe they'll figure out remote is the way 
to go.


Doug Fuerst
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Subject: Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin


Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
really aren't a dime a dozen.

My dad used to say "buy cheap get cheap", see this everyday..

Scott


On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:19 AM Jack J. Woehr <j...@well.com> wrote:


 Doug Fuerst wrote:

 > If I take these rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. 
There

 are fewer and fewer of us, and yet they

 > demand more and more for less and less.



 Time to form a consulting LLC and work from home via VPN at high 
rates.

 They've marked down those who want "employment"

 as suckers.



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Amen Jack, everyone doesn't get that mainframe sysprogs and developers
really aren't a dime a dozen.

My dad used to say "buy cheap get cheap", see this everyday..

Scott


On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:19 AM Jack J. Woehr  wrote:

> Doug Fuerst wrote:
>
> > If I take these rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. There
> are fewer and fewer of us, and yet they
>
> > demand more and more for less and less.
>
>
>
> Time to form a consulting LLC and work from home via VPN at high rates.
> They've marked down those who want "employment"
>
> as suckers.
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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Doug Fuerst wrote:
If I take these rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. There are fewer and fewer of us, and yet they 
demand more and more for less and less. 


Time to form a consulting LLC and work from home via VPN at high rates. They've marked down those who want "employment" 
as suckers.


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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Doug Fuerst]

 They are in general offering poor rates and demand relocation for no 
real guaranteed durations. How did it come to this? If I take these 
rates, I'll make less now than I did 25 years ago. There are fewer and 
fewer of us, and yet they demand more and more for less and less.



Doug Fuerst
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Sent: 10-Mar-17 5:57:02 PM
Subject: Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin


If you live there Chris, but you're in NY.

Most of the mainframe folks do not live in the Austin area

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On Behalf Of Dan Skomsky

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

But, that's a good thing for us old time mainframers already living in 
Austin isn't it?


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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:01 PM
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On Friday, March 10, 2017, 3:42 PM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. 
<cblaic...@syncsort.com> wrote:


Growing 6000 people per month. That is why I left Austin. Traffic and 
HEAT. You can hit 90 any day of the year, and most days from April thru 
October it will be 90 to 100+.


I now live in a little town of 1000 near Lake Placid, NY. And, no, 
there are no alligators in Lake Placid.


Chris Blaicher
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Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965

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No doubt many of you have been or will be contacted for a gigs in 
Austin.


Since I just left a job there here are some number to help you.

Austin in growing 6,000 per month
To Find a place other than a hotel you will have to 60 miles out and 
have a 90 minute commute each way


I would suggest you add at least $40/HR just to cover things if you 
decide to drive to and from Austin like I did Add an addition $20/HR to 
cover weekly airfare and a rent a car.


We all like what we do, but no one wants to go broke doing the job

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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You can't ever get near Zilker park.  Everyone is walking or in pedicabs

Steve

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SXSW (South by Southwest) starts tomorrow.  I'm sure there will be plenty of 
young ladies downtown who will 'take too much off'.  The temperature is 81 
right now and the lawn needs to be cut over the weekend.

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I was working from home, so traffic wasn't the biggest thing.  The heat was.  I 
can put another log on the fire up here, but they arrest you if you take too 
much off down there.

Chris Blaicher
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But, that's a  good thing for us old time mainframers already living in Austin 
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If you live there Chris, but you're in NY.

Most of the mainframe folks do not live in the Austin area

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But, that's a  good thing for us old time mainframers already living in Austin 
isn't it?

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On Friday, March 10, 2017, 3:42 PM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. 
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Growing 6000 people per month.  That is why I left Austin.  Traffic and HEAT.  
You can hit 90 any day of the year, and most days from April thru October it 
will be 90 to 100+.

I now live in a little town of 1000 near Lake Placid, NY.  And, no, there are 
no alligators in Lake Placid.

Chris Blaicher
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Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965

P: 201-930-8234  |  M: 512-627-3803
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com

www.syncsort.com

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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:17 PM
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Subject: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

No doubt many of you have been or will be contacted for a gigs in Austin.

Since I just left a job there here are some number to help you.

Austin in growing 6,000 per month
To Find a place other than a hotel you will have to 60 miles out and have a 90 
minute commute each way

I would suggest you add at least $40/HR just to cover things if you decide to 
drive to and from Austin like I did Add an addition $20/HR to cover weekly 
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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

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SXSW (South by Southwest) starts tomorrow.  I'm sure there will be plenty of 
young ladies downtown who will 'take too much off'.  The temperature is 81 
right now and the lawn needs to be cut over the weekend.

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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

I was working from home, so traffic wasn't the biggest thing.  The heat was.  I 
can put another log on the fire up here, but they arrest you if you take too 
much off down there.

Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965

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I was working from home, so traffic wasn't the biggest thing.  The heat was.  I 
can put another log on the fire up here, but they arrest you if you take too 
much off down there.

Chris Blaicher
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Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
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But, that's a  good thing for us old time mainframers already living in Austin 
isn't it?

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On Friday, March 10, 2017, 3:42 PM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. 
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Growing 6000 people per month.  That is why I left Austin.  Traffic and HEAT.  
You can hit 90 any day of the year, and most days from April thru October it 
will be 90 to 100+.

I now live in a little town of 1000 near Lake Placid, NY.  And, no, there are 
no alligators in Lake Placid.

Chris Blaicher
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Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965

P: 201-930-8234  |  M: 512-627-3803
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com

www.syncsort.com

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Subject: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

No doubt many of you have been or will be contacted for a gigs in Austin.

Since I just left a job there here are some number to help you.

Austin in growing 6,000 per month
To Find a place other than a hotel you will have to 60 miles out and have a 90 
minute commute each way

I would suggest you add at least $40/HR just to cover things if you decide to 
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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Allan Staller]

SUPERCROC?  Didn't they make a movie about that? ISTR it was called "LAKE 
PLACID"


Growing 6000 people per month.  That is why I left Austin.  Traffic and HEAT.  
You can hit 90 any day of the year, and most days from April thru October it 
will be 90 to 100+.

I now live in a little town of 1000 near Lake Placid, NY.  And, no, there are 
no alligators in Lake Placid.

Chris Blaicher
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Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965



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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Bill Johnson]

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On Friday, March 10, 2017, 3:42 PM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. 
<cblaic...@syncsort.com> wrote:

Growing 6000 people per month.  That is why I left Austin.  Traffic and HEAT.  
You can hit 90 any day of the year, and most days from April thru October it 
will be 90 to 100+.

I now live in a little town of 1000 near Lake Placid, NY.  And, no, there are 
no alligators in Lake Placid.

Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965

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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:17 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

No doubt many of you have been or will be contacted for a gigs in Austin.

Since I just left a job there here are some number to help you.

Austin in growing 6,000 per month
To Find a place other than a hotel you will have to 60 miles out and have a 90 
minute commute each way

I would suggest you add at least $40/HR just to cover things if you decide to 
drive to and from Austin like I did
Add an addition $20/HR to cover weekly airfare and a rent a car.

We all like what we do, but no one wants to go broke doing the job

Steve

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Re: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Blaicher, Christopher Y.]

Growing 6000 people per month.  That is why I left Austin.  Traffic and HEAT.  
You can hit 90 any day of the year, and most days from April thru October it 
will be 90 to 100+.

I now live in a little town of 1000 near Lake Placid, NY.  And, no, there are 
no alligators in Lake Placid.

Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Mainframe Development
Syncsort Incorporated
2 Blue Hill Plaza #1563, Pearl River, NY 10965

P: 201-930-8234  |  M: 512-627-3803
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com

www.syncsort.com

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:17 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Mainframe JOBS in Austin

No doubt many of you have been or will be contacted for a gigs in Austin.

Since I just left a job there here are some number to help you.

Austin in growing 6,000 per month
To Find a place other than a hotel you will have to 60 miles out and have a 90 
minute commute each way

I would suggest you add at least $40/HR just to cover things if you decide to 
drive to and from Austin like I did
Add an addition $20/HR to cover weekly airfare and a rent a car.

We all like what we do, but no one wants to go broke doing the job

Steve

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Mainframe JOBS in Austin

[Steve Beaver]

No doubt many of you have been or will be contacted for a gigs in Austin.

Since I just left a job there here are some number to help you.

Austin in growing 6,000 per month
To Find a place other than a hotel you will have to 60 miles out and
have a 90 minute commute each way
 
I would suggest you add at least $40/HR just to cover things if you
decide to drive to and from Austin like I did
Add an addition $20/HR to cover weekly airfare and a rent a car.
 
We all like what we do, but no one wants to go broke doing the job

Steve   

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Re: Mainframe jobs

[Phil Smith III]

Clark Morris wrote, in part:

>Given the slow and steady attrition of z series shops and movement to

>the cloud, I do not believe it.  Are the salaries for mainframe

>technical people increasing?  Are there mass recruitments for COBOL

>programmers or increased salaries and contract rates?  

 

Exactly. "No."


BTW, "zSeries" (no space) and "iSeries" (no space) are both long dead-12
years now. They are, respectively, "z Systems" and "IBM i" nowadays. "Who
cares"? Well, I submit that it matters in the same sense that you aren't
running a Pentium or an 80386 in your laptop today: they're descendants, but
hardly the same thing any more.

 

.phsiii (feeling pedantic today) (yeah, yeah, "Today?!?")


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Re: Mainframe jobs

[Jack J. Woehr]

Clark Morris wrote:

  Are there mass recruitments for COBOL
programmers or increased salaries and contract rates?


There are shops that can't escape z and their staff are all retiring as you did and those shops are now at the mercy of 
external IT support offerings who are hiring system programmers.


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Re: Mainframe jobs

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 6 Feb 2017 11:53:05 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
li...@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) wrote:

>Network World:
>
>By some estimates there will be more than 84,000 open positions in this
>field by 2020.
>
> 
>
>http://www.networkworld.com/article/3161857/hardware/as-baby-boomers-retire-
>the-shortage-of-mainframe-professionals-grows-more-acute.html 
>
Given the slow and steady attrition of z series shops and movement to
the cloud, I do not believe it.  Are the salaries for mainframe
technical people increasing?  Are there mass recruitments for COBOL
programmers or increased salaries and contract rates?  I am grateful
to have been able to retire when I did.  I doubt the estimates given
on the number of lines of COBOL source for programs that are still
actively in production given the number of systems that have been
replaced by packages such as SAP.  What is the attendance at SHARE
these days?  I doubt it is as high as when I was participating in it.
Guide has been gone since 1999.  I doubt many of the newer ISV
packages are written in COBOL.  There isn't the same small system
support for the 360 architecture there used to be and I doubt many
organizations upgrade to z from the IBM i series.  If any organization
starts out on any system that is ASCII/ISO oriented, I don't see that
organization going through the pain to get to z/OS and conversion to
EBCDIC.  

Unisys is selling Intel based servers running either OS2200 or MCP,
with at least the OS2200 based systems running with emulated code
through firmware.  I doubt either are being sold to new customers.

Given the various Windows, Linux and Unix offerings I doubt there is
much of a growth market for z series or for any other mainframe
architecture. 

Incidentally, how secure is TPF?  I understand that it used be sort of
like Windows 3.1 in that everything was in the same address space for
performance.

If your shop was on Windows or some Unix variant for all of its
processing, would you recommend converting to z series?

Clark Morris 
> 
>
>Now, that would be nice, but.um.I don't think so.
>
>
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[Phil Smith III]

Network World:

By some estimates there will be more than 84,000 open positions in this
field by 2020.

 

http://www.networkworld.com/article/3161857/hardware/as-baby-boomers-retire-
the-shortage-of-mainframe-professionals-grows-more-acute.html 

 

Now, that would be nice, but.um.I don't think so.


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