Re: my new z114

[Dave Jones]

You are, of course, correct Shmuel. I should have included the very next 
sentence from the reference guide:
"If you have experience with RPG, most of the concepts will be familiar as 
well; this is no
coincidence, because RPG, too, has its roots in accounting machines."
DJ

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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

RPG was designed for the same application niche as the tabulators, but it 
didn't deal with emitters, hubs and individual columns. Everything was in terms 
of fields. The same is true for FARGO.


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Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
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If I remember correctly, RPG was originally based on the function of the 
electro-mechanical accounting machines.

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Seymour J Metz 
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I'd say that spec looks more like RPG than like a 407; you only identify the 
beginning and end of a field and don't need to specify every column 
individually.


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A bit off topic here, but the IBM 407 lives on as the "spec" stage in the CMS 
Pipelines utility. From the reference document:
"Rest assured that no hardware knowledge is required to use spec effectively. 
But you will
have a head start if you have past experience with the IBM 407 Accounting 
Machine,
which influenced the design of spec."
Spec is basically the 407 implemented in software. See:
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vm.ibm.com%2Flibrary%2F720pdfs%2F72625201.pdfdata=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Cd2fa90f5ecb44670bda808da4268db88%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637895315814178567%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=ESMMptN7w8p9rrVv%2FeDzcZkV334i4j0rCj0V2GO9Sv4%3Dreserved=0
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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

Does anybody know the dates for

 FARGO (1401)
 RPG (1401)
 RPG (7070)


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I am not totally sure BUT I believe that it was the revamp of the 1401 FARGO
programming language.  IBM taught us FARGO and AUTOCODER as 1401 operators
in the early 1960s so we could fix programs sent in for compiles when we
were on the evening and midnight shifts.

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Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: my new z114

If I remember correctly, RPG was originally based on the function of the
electro-mechanical accounting machines.

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of
Seymour J Metz 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 1:51 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I'd say that spec looks more like RPG than like a 407; you only identify the
beginning and end of a field and don't need to specify every column
individually.


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Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 9:09 AM
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Subject: Re: my new z114

A bit off topic here, but the IBM 407 lives on as the "spec" stage in the
CMS Pipelines utility. From the reference document:
"Rest assured that no hardware knowledge is required to use spec
effectively. But you will have a head start if you have past experience with
the IBM 407 Accounting Machine, which influenced the design of spec."
Spec is basically the 407 implemented in software. See:
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vm.ibm%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C2735636881584a1c615f08da426bc908%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637895329731975020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7Csdata=y%2FpPS2izmG6P3gJXFVEeS5xkolwy87k4xq7iRRshonM%3Dreserved=0
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Re: my new z114

[John Abell]

I am not totally sure BUT I believe that it was the revamp of the 1401 FARGO
programming language.  IBM taught us FARGO and AUTOCODER as 1401 operators
in the early 1960s so we could fix programs sent in for compiles when we
were on the evening and midnight shifts.

John T. Abell   
Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
President 
International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: my new z114

If I remember correctly, RPG was originally based on the function of the
electro-mechanical accounting machines.

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of
Seymour J Metz 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 1:51 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I'd say that spec looks more like RPG than like a 407; you only identify the
beginning and end of a field and don't need to specify every column
individually.


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Dave Jones [d...@vsoft-software.com]
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Subject: Re: my new z114

A bit off topic here, but the IBM 407 lives on as the "spec" stage in the
CMS Pipelines utility. From the reference document:
"Rest assured that no hardware knowledge is required to use spec
effectively. But you will have a head start if you have past experience with
the IBM 407 Accounting Machine, which influenced the design of spec."
Spec is basically the 407 implemented in software. See:
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vm.ibm
.com%2Flibrary%2F720pdfs%2F72625201.pdfdata=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%
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Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

If I remember correctly, RPG was originally based on the function of the 
electro-mechanical accounting machines.

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Seymour J Metz 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 1:51 PM
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I'd say that spec looks more like RPG than like a 407; you only identify the 
beginning and end of a field and don't need to specify every column 
individually.


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Dave Jones [d...@vsoft-software.com]
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Subject: Re: my new z114

A bit off topic here, but the IBM 407 lives on as the "spec" stage in the CMS 
Pipelines utility. From the reference document:
"Rest assured that no hardware knowledge is required to use spec effectively. 
But you will
have a head start if you have past experience with the IBM 407 Accounting 
Machine,
which influenced the design of spec."
Spec is basically the 407 implemented in software. See:
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vm.ibm.com%2Flibrary%2F720pdfs%2F72625201.pdfdata=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C3a4d2c1fcd044236af0608da423da781%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637895130220061392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=2I%2FPyz04oZ68fYPaUDKzpDjVKqeJhDQjVBKrXUgZh%2B8%3Dreserved=0
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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

I'd say that spec looks more like RPG than like a 407; you only identify the 
beginning and end of a field and don't need to specify every column 
individually.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

A bit off topic here, but the IBM 407 lives on as the "spec" stage in the CMS 
Pipelines utility. From the reference document:
"Rest assured that no hardware knowledge is required to use spec effectively. 
But you will
have a head start if you have past experience with the IBM 407 Accounting 
Machine,
which influenced the design of spec."
Spec is basically the 407 implemented in software. See:
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vm.ibm.com%2Flibrary%2F720pdfs%2F72625201.pdfdata=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C3a4d2c1fcd044236af0608da423da781%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637895130220061392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=2I%2FPyz04oZ68fYPaUDKzpDjVKqeJhDQjVBKrXUgZh%2B8%3Dreserved=0
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Re: my new z114

[Dave Jones]

A bit off topic here, but the IBM 407 lives on as the "spec" stage in the CMS 
Pipelines utility. From the reference document:
"Rest assured that no hardware knowledge is required to use spec effectively. 
But you will
have a head start if you have past experience with the IBM 407 Accounting 
Machine,
which influenced the design of spec."
Spec is basically the 407 implemented in software. See:
https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/720pdfs/72625201.pdf
for more details.
DJ

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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

Yikes! I thought I read that they were still using a 402 in 2010! Obviously I'm 
hallucinating!

How much did it cost them to keep it running?


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Maybe Sparkler filters has their 402 manual?
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On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 7:22 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> ObTeratology There were 1-digit adders that you cascaded with board wiring. 
> The 407 was not Turing complete, but it did have (very) limited conditional 
> logic.
>
> I was hoping that bitsavers had a copy of the 407 manual, but I couldn't find 
> it.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 3:53 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> The plug board history discussion here has been fascinating. Although I have 
> always been interested in vintage computers, I have never done much research 
> into the plug board type equipment. One of the biggest things I have always 
> wondered about when it comes to the plug boards was where the processors in 
> the system were. In the accounting machine, what did the actual addition and 
> printing operations?
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Gary Eheman 
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Harry:
> To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
> forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently 
> and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
>
> Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
> channels which would be a pre-req.
>
> A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
> my father:  
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1a_g58-4gi03euSQRJeNBiStK0U_dmArcvJDFGJkQOPdyxXEe7F_yNITxYU4wKPC5hikPFdGU_2ab6l9IuQHG2tpXvOrHWGZazvdLq49WxgcPf9H8W_jWvevA4WUZP4FLC-dpDcERgPHHbza-QMOKOxa3D8Dkp030rFRQJvOnGpD-dMcvFrX-zW9bD-bsMXQvvhC2ZtjJW88uQvIV2wIU-DvHzYLwsbCOHh1O_n6iaDCodfLrNjig9p2iyS_xyOLNQ0I1MjfqB9xIyBQQc00WIEb3zg_0wb0KaqmOR3Kt8t_IxcLsAfA4GfqUHjiTO4deql_W0zunM9tpVfxxc_LI323fLsHlLN4o1vxhqQ1W3RSUXHYSKH4r8N2kA1XJteHmk3tG23YNQYNby93OWp8D5Gxc1jVdldZa3463ZSClPa2C6PaM6dgobkTcCYiLyzjg/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
> We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
> armyscholarshipfoundation.org
>
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:
>
> >Enzo,
> >
> >You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
> >will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
> >peripheral you could possibly use.
> >
> >Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
> >Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
> >specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
> >peripherals you will need.
> >
> >http://secure-web.cisco.com/1y7XhNgo24lI-mV32z6hxMXZ08fAhnL-lnFbRbVt1U6aL2MRqQpFuajOXG63gowsMQNvnGJKrtrsw6SGs05Yb0DvoO1jVNgMFbnccCQRqYZfrQ6I7oG1wy-zG9ZQYPbVJ2xrAdqlx_R1kiosdWbd5o2jNyr6joj3N1BpQdpzQUbPwpIYrTd5Om_zBBoVqa9_ZAruoFXEvrFxA7GJqk5e1ATmgx24OvVVXtt8mySI0uUPkLg5nhatuhB1uv5PPbPmSKgu6L350DxIlDa11YG77pG3Fw_MeCL3if5RAU3q0pZRZogsT9e_WHRdw5WchdcRP6ssYEoeRqK5rPv90zzFLyRlmUWGsGu83SaUa6PV7HXdExyLPvKy2dKLA6uJnHzg-YLdVWO_9XrNrOEdwKIE2Zer7Brnn5S_XjjAQbK2-C55M3xmuNLtXmrvirDYv7XEx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
> > go to FlexCub white paper.
> >
> >Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically 
> >from their P/390 group.
> >
> >There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
> >
>
> (snippage)
>
> >P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Colu

Re: my new z114

[Timothy Sipples]

Tom Brennan wrote:
>z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
>26 MIPS, 3 MSU
>40 GB
>18 ports FICON 8S SX
>8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
>STP
>CPACF
>1 HMC Tower
>2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

Just to highlight a few things in this list, assuming it checks out:

1. 40GB of memory is quite good! The z114 was available with as little as 8GB 
usable main memory, but you’ve got 5 times that amount (4 memory increments up 
from the minimum). That’s a win. Maximum for the M05 physical model was 120GB. 
This memory is RAIM protected (Redundant Array of Independent Memory), and the 
40GB figure refers to usable memory, after accounting for HSA and RAIM overhead.

2. STP (Server Time Protocol) is another win. That’ll mean you can synchronize 
your z114’s system clocks with an external time source via (S)NTP. For example 
time.nist.gov should work.

3. CPACF is another win. As Parwez mentioned, CPACF was an orderable option 
(Feature Code 3863), albeit no additional charge. Yours is enabled, which is 
great. It also means your machine is subject to possible export and import 
regulations in the unlikely event if you ever decide to sell this machine to 
some buyer in another country.

CPACF on the z114 is sufficiently advanced enough to accelerate up to AES-256 
encryption/decryption and up to SHA-512 (SHA2) hashing. The hashing 
acceleration is actually on every machine, but the AES-128/192/256 part 
requires Feature Code 3863. This’ll be clear key encryption without Crypto 
Express adapters, but the important part for your home lab is that you pick up 
the acceleration, typically for TLS.

4. OSA-Express3-2P 1000BASE-T means you’ve got copper Ethernet ports. They’ll 
be perfectly fine, and they support everything you could want (all network 
types) including OSA-ICC (the Integrated Console Controller) if you need that. 
I believe in that generation (OSA-Express3) they’ll auto-negotiate 10/100/1000 
speeds and full/half duplex (if you wish), so it’s obviously best to configure 
1000 and full duplex in your switch and on the machine. Standard Cat 5 cabling 
is all you need.

If I/O cards have been removed that’s not necessarily a bad thing since that 
might reduce power draw at the margins.

5. The A01 capacity configuration is 1000% better than the possible ICF-only 
configuration that would’ve been really bad news.

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Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
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Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

Maybe Sparkler filters has their 402 manual?
http://ibm-1401.info/402.html

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 7:22 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> ObTeratology There were 1-digit adders that you cascaded with board wiring. 
> The 407 was not Turing complete, but it did have (very) limited conditional 
> logic.
>
> I was hoping that bitsavers had a copy of the 407 manual, but I couldn't find 
> it.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 3:53 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> The plug board history discussion here has been fascinating. Although I have 
> always been interested in vintage computers, I have never done much research 
> into the plug board type equipment. One of the biggest things I have always 
> wondered about when it comes to the plug boards was where the processors in 
> the system were. In the accounting machine, what did the actual addition and 
> printing operations?
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Gary Eheman 
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Harry:
> To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
> forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently 
> and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
>
> Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
> channels which would be a pre-req.
>
> A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
> my father:  
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1a_g58-4gi03euSQRJeNBiStK0U_dmArcvJDFGJkQOPdyxXEe7F_yNITxYU4wKPC5hikPFdGU_2ab6l9IuQHG2tpXvOrHWGZazvdLq49WxgcPf9H8W_jWvevA4WUZP4FLC-dpDcERgPHHbza-QMOKOxa3D8Dkp030rFRQJvOnGpD-dMcvFrX-zW9bD-bsMXQvvhC2ZtjJW88uQvIV2wIU-DvHzYLwsbCOHh1O_n6iaDCodfLrNjig9p2iyS_xyOLNQ0I1MjfqB9xIyBQQc00WIEb3zg_0wb0KaqmOR3Kt8t_IxcLsAfA4GfqUHjiTO4deql_W0zunM9tpVfxxc_LI323fLsHlLN4o1vxhqQ1W3RSUXHYSKH4r8N2kA1XJteHmk3tG23YNQYNby93OWp8D5Gxc1jVdldZa3463ZSClPa2C6PaM6dgobkTcCYiLyzjg/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
> We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
> armyscholarshipfoundation.org
>
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:
>
> >Enzo,
> >
> >You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
> >will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
> >peripheral you could possibly use.
> >
> >Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
> >Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
> >specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
> >peripherals you will need.
> >
> >http://secure-web.cisco.com/1y7XhNgo24lI-mV32z6hxMXZ08fAhnL-lnFbRbVt1U6aL2MRqQpFuajOXG63gowsMQNvnGJKrtrsw6SGs05Yb0DvoO1jVNgMFbnccCQRqYZfrQ6I7oG1wy-zG9ZQYPbVJ2xrAdqlx_R1kiosdWbd5o2jNyr6joj3N1BpQdpzQUbPwpIYrTd5Om_zBBoVqa9_ZAruoFXEvrFxA7GJqk5e1ATmgx24OvVVXtt8mySI0uUPkLg5nhatuhB1uv5PPbPmSKgu6L350DxIlDa11YG77pG3Fw_MeCL3if5RAU3q0pZRZogsT9e_WHRdw5WchdcRP6ssYEoeRqK5rPv90zzFLyRlmUWGsGu83SaUa6PV7HXdExyLPvKy2dKLA6uJnHzg-YLdVWO_9XrNrOEdwKIE2Zer7Brnn5S_XjjAQbK2-C55M3xmuNLtXmrvirDYv7XEx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
> > go to FlexCub white paper.
> >
> >Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically 
> >from their P/390 group.
> >
> >There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
> >
>
> (snippage)
>
> >P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to 
> >get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not 
> >open to the public.
> >Fundamental Software, 
> >Inc.<http://secure-web.cisco.com/1oNJQzZYGtvVX8Hq6ASEjRZUS1kIe87sr5kfBv5VJuzo1NBH78lmsQFt3HgrHP2C34Uv3-ivY92KO14qXRgM8EPrAAm-2qQqi73rasqZAw7hPqYpDnH7fLrrNfLAqvIZrfYN6RUN60S-P8oZ-vHKtW-Me5ezSy62seSQPjNqN6P9OeEPJGFK-zLGVmClirNjO8dkXpkj1jp3pwaKGVDE471npgG7018tSGnvpjALUjLxmjZzbLjQpDEt-ap27pfwUMVMbKPMOIQwS8FTBTttMZyRbCiwj9vGFxIl-A9VDPplhIf9ZFts5XY2bf_GUKCdJibIbaLQEIfNHugPigq1wuCxBtYyQIQiKflQxFd2g3eSXqGQeCcyOjnOiAV2NaGIl0Cjtodw03fgLtq5omMRGNiCITjJl_-arHYzd9ZgZ0_DFrSxg82XY6wFk2rvpDeBN/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com%2F>
> >System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
> >http://secure-web.cisco.com/1y7XhNgo24lI-mV32z6hxMXZ08fAhnL-lnFbRbVt1U6aL2MRqQpFuajOXG63gowsMQNvnGJKrtrsw6SGs05Yb0DvoO1jVNgMFbnccCQRqYZfrQ6I7oG1wy-zG9ZQYPbVJ2xrAdqlx_R1ki

Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

ObTeratology There were 1-digit adders that you cascaded with board wiring. The 
407 was not Turing complete, but it did have (very) limited conditional logic.

I was hoping that bitsavers had a copy of the 407 manual, but I couldn't find 
it.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 3:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

The plug board history discussion here has been fascinating. Although I have 
always been interested in vintage computers, I have never done much research 
into the plug board type equipment. One of the biggest things I have always 
wondered about when it comes to the plug boards was where the processors in the 
system were. In the accounting machine, what did the actual addition and 
printing operations?

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Gary Eheman 
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Harry:
To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently and 
the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.

Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
channels which would be a pre-req.

A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
my father:  
http://secure-web.cisco.com/1a_g58-4gi03euSQRJeNBiStK0U_dmArcvJDFGJkQOPdyxXEe7F_yNITxYU4wKPC5hikPFdGU_2ab6l9IuQHG2tpXvOrHWGZazvdLq49WxgcPf9H8W_jWvevA4WUZP4FLC-dpDcERgPHHbza-QMOKOxa3D8Dkp030rFRQJvOnGpD-dMcvFrX-zW9bD-bsMXQvvhC2ZtjJW88uQvIV2wIU-DvHzYLwsbCOHh1O_n6iaDCodfLrNjig9p2iyS_xyOLNQ0I1MjfqB9xIyBQQc00WIEb3zg_0wb0KaqmOR3Kt8t_IxcLsAfA4GfqUHjiTO4deql_W0zunM9tpVfxxc_LI323fLsHlLN4o1vxhqQ1W3RSUXHYSKH4r8N2kA1XJteHmk3tG23YNQYNby93OWp8D5Gxc1jVdldZa3463ZSClPa2C6PaM6dgobkTcCYiLyzjg/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
armyscholarshipfoundation.org

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:

>Enzo,
>
>You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
>will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
>peripheral you could possibly use.
>
>Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
>Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
>specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
>peripherals you will need.
>
>http://secure-web.cisco.com/1y7XhNgo24lI-mV32z6hxMXZ08fAhnL-lnFbRbVt1U6aL2MRqQpFuajOXG63gowsMQNvnGJKrtrsw6SGs05Yb0DvoO1jVNgMFbnccCQRqYZfrQ6I7oG1wy-zG9ZQYPbVJ2xrAdqlx_R1kiosdWbd5o2jNyr6joj3N1BpQdpzQUbPwpIYrTd5Om_zBBoVqa9_ZAruoFXEvrFxA7GJqk5e1ATmgx24OvVVXtt8mySI0uUPkLg5nhatuhB1uv5PPbPmSKgu6L350DxIlDa11YG77pG3Fw_MeCL3if5RAU3q0pZRZogsT9e_WHRdw5WchdcRP6ssYEoeRqK5rPv90zzFLyRlmUWGsGu83SaUa6PV7HXdExyLPvKy2dKLA6uJnHzg-YLdVWO_9XrNrOEdwKIE2Zer7Brnn5S_XjjAQbK2-C55M3xmuNLtXmrvirDYv7XEx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
> go to FlexCub white paper.
>
>Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
>their P/390 group.
>
>There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>

(snippage)

>P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to 
>get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not 
>open to the public.
>Fundamental Software, 
>Inc.<http://secure-web.cisco.com/1oNJQzZYGtvVX8Hq6ASEjRZUS1kIe87sr5kfBv5VJuzo1NBH78lmsQFt3HgrHP2C34Uv3-ivY92KO14qXRgM8EPrAAm-2qQqi73rasqZAw7hPqYpDnH7fLrrNfLAqvIZrfYN6RUN60S-P8oZ-vHKtW-Me5ezSy62seSQPjNqN6P9OeEPJGFK-zLGVmClirNjO8dkXpkj1jp3pwaKGVDE471npgG7018tSGnvpjALUjLxmjZzbLjQpDEt-ap27pfwUMVMbKPMOIQwS8FTBTttMZyRbCiwj9vGFxIl-A9VDPplhIf9ZFts5XY2bf_GUKCdJibIbaLQEIfNHugPigq1wuCxBtYyQIQiKflQxFd2g3eSXqGQeCcyOjnOiAV2NaGIl0Cjtodw03fgLtq5omMRGNiCITjJl_-arHYzd9ZgZ0_DFrSxg82XY6wFk2rvpDeBN/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com%2F>
>System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
>http://secure-web.cisco.com/1y7XhNgo24lI-mV32z6hxMXZ08fAhnL-lnFbRbVt1U6aL2MRqQpFuajOXG63gowsMQNvnGJKrtrsw6SGs05Yb0DvoO1jVNgMFbnccCQRqYZfrQ6I7oG1wy-zG9ZQYPbVJ2xrAdqlx_R1kiosdWbd5o2jNyr6joj3N1BpQdpzQUbPwpIYrTd5Om_zBBoVqa9_ZAruoFXEvrFxA7GJqk5e1ATmgx24OvVVXtt8mySI0uUPkLg5nhatuhB1uv5PPbPmSKgu6L350DxIlDa11YG77pG3Fw_MeCL3if5RAU3q0pZRZogsT9e_WHRdw5WchdcRP6ssYEoeRqK5rPv90zzFLyRlmUWGsGu83SaUa6PV7HXdExyLPvKy2dKLA6uJnHzg-YLdVWO_9XrNrOEdwKIE2Zer7Brnn5S_XjjAQbK2-C55M3xmuNLtXmrvirDYv7XEx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
>

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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

There were covers for the boards that allowed room for several inches of wiring.

For those who never saw the Tinkertoys®,, the concept of having to wire each 
column instead of field start and length may seem strange; it seemed normal at 
the time. OTOH, I would never want to go back to any of the relay or vacuum 
tube equipment I used, although I have fond memories of some discrete 
transistor machines.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Doug [d...@bkassociates.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 4:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

The "boards" were maybe 1 inch thick, with holes in them. You put an
overlay over the board (depending on what you were programming) and
inserted wires between the holes based on the overlays. My father
programmed these things for a bank on Long Island NY. The wires were of
various lengths depending on how far they had to reach. They were mabe
12inches by 12 inches, and went into a receiver, and then were snapped
into the machine. After I went to 360 Common I/O school, I went to work
for Sorbus for awhile and had to deal with them there, but I never could
program them.

Doug Fuerst


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To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Sent: 29-May-22 15:23:01
Subject: Re: my new z114

>On 5/29/22 12:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>You could theoretically add wires without removing the board. I've never seen 
>>it done and I suspect that it's not safe.
>
>I'm now getting the impression that the wires were sort of latched into the 
>board and the plugboard tool was used to unlatch wires for insertion and 
>removal.
>
>The idea of plugs & wires being latched into the board makes more sense as far 
>as inserting & removing the entire board from the system.  As if the board is 
>simply a passive frame that holds the plugs & wires in place while the actual 
>jack for the plugs remains in the system.
>
>I have no idea if this is remotely correct, but it does make a LOT more sense 
>to me than removing and inserting boards with a bunch of jack in them.
>
>
>
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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

That's wiring that IBM provides, and if a customer monkeyed with it that would 
void the warranty. The board under discussion for the 407 is the customers' 
responsibility and most shops wired multiple boards for different purposes, 
e.g., 80-80 listing, specific reports.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
William Donzelli [wdonze...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:11 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

On all of my machines, and likely most of the machines IBM made, there
is an interlock that prevents changing the patchboard in any way.
There is a complex hinge arrangement that closes the door before any
connections are made, basically. Sure, a Sawzall would solve that, but
that is not provided in many CE kits.

--
Will

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 2:26 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> You could theoretically add wires without removing the board. I've never seen 
> it done and I suspect that it's not safe.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Joe Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 2:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> "I've never seen a picture of one of
> those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
> while it was in the machine. "
>
> Ummm ... not possible. To reprogram a board, you had to take a special IBM
> tool and push the wire up thru the bottom of the board! Kinda hard to do
> when the board is in the machine :)
>
> Growing up, my dad had a job as an IBM CE. One of his product lines was the
> 6400 accounting machine. Great fun for a kid on the weekend to play with a
> plugboard and wires!
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerhistory.org%2Fcollections%2Fcatalog%2F102732361data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C4bf286f7dde2412ffecb08da41c039bf%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637894591105420400%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=3lu5dsDXlwlwco%2BoFFrXMTjX3aNOJ2k8IeT2gdxk3Rk%3Dreserved=0
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerhistory.org%2Fcollections%2Fcatalog%2F102645466data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C4bf286f7dde2412ffecb08da41c039bf%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637894591105420400%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=FxINxZJYf2a2RPqRPPEnwfmD9%2F16XHhnvISyAPhhXIg%3Dreserved=0
>
> Joe
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 12:00 PM Tom Brennan 
> wrote:
>
> > Enzo mentioned he has a couple of ESCON cards, so he's still in the
> > running.  Great pic of your dad - I've never seen a picture of one of
> > those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
> > while it was in the machine.  On a table looks a whole lot easier.
> >
> > On 5/29/2022 7:42 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:
> > > Harry:
> > > To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never
> > forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently
> > and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
> > >
> > > Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no
> > ESCON channels which would be a pre-req.
> > >
> > > A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a
> > pic of my father:  
> > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1gwDFZ0VlqoCEukSVnTPS9NrhjazJmj-3U1dBfEt5gk4BwjjxsNtFHIDEnYfbCzWq4Q6OKfisop3TmqYJAumPycsMTHL2v7-SzSC7MwNo-QvgScZxaXN7LYEiwN6vOmtQhyB9H-31LaxJ92ZdqRw3cCrNpzOegAplxOKzc2Ull6eTDQqz32iNU7_wmW8fALJ1dz-v8CnI1kcg3CHw1Yw7A7Ai611_X7znJqzpmV8oQZOmEPMVW7Wd2WYiCalCX7PQ-UMRIN_YSR2sMAad2aT-tbOKLc49kHsN9u0B5TnGEsGtC_Dshi_ddxNHPG8JZQwBn8Jn0BI1FEOXsYnMVBXU9aIyktJZeaqAfsiweuGZyh5zSCsOSedzWUOLuKeW7Vcp7WgGba0y7G0_BXgI5i_l5nKJMQZlv59_Dse0xZ1SADzdKzhOgauJPt1RhE2Sr-NR/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
> > > We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at
> > armyscholarshipfoundation.org
> > >
> > > On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Enzo,
> > >>
> > >> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> > card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> > of z114 peripheral you c

Re: my new z114

[William Donzelli]

On all of my machines, and likely most of the machines IBM made, there
is an interlock that prevents changing the patchboard in any way.
There is a complex hinge arrangement that closes the door before any
connections are made, basically. Sure, a Sawzall would solve that, but
that is not provided in many CE kits.

--
Will

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 2:26 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> You could theoretically add wires without removing the board. I've never seen 
> it done and I suspect that it's not safe.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Joe Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 2:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> "I've never seen a picture of one of
> those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
> while it was in the machine. "
>
> Ummm ... not possible. To reprogram a board, you had to take a special IBM
> tool and push the wire up thru the bottom of the board! Kinda hard to do
> when the board is in the machine :)
>
> Growing up, my dad had a job as an IBM CE. One of his product lines was the
> 6400 accounting machine. Great fun for a kid on the weekend to play with a
> plugboard and wires!
>
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> Joe
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 12:00 PM Tom Brennan 
> wrote:
>
> > Enzo mentioned he has a couple of ESCON cards, so he's still in the
> > running.  Great pic of your dad - I've never seen a picture of one of
> > those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
> > while it was in the machine.  On a table looks a whole lot easier.
> >
> > On 5/29/2022 7:42 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:
> > > Harry:
> > > To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never
> > forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently
> > and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
> > >
> > > Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no
> > ESCON channels which would be a pre-req.
> > >
> > > A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a
> > pic of my father:  
> > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1gwDFZ0VlqoCEukSVnTPS9NrhjazJmj-3U1dBfEt5gk4BwjjxsNtFHIDEnYfbCzWq4Q6OKfisop3TmqYJAumPycsMTHL2v7-SzSC7MwNo-QvgScZxaXN7LYEiwN6vOmtQhyB9H-31LaxJ92ZdqRw3cCrNpzOegAplxOKzc2Ull6eTDQqz32iNU7_wmW8fALJ1dz-v8CnI1kcg3CHw1Yw7A7Ai611_X7znJqzpmV8oQZOmEPMVW7Wd2WYiCalCX7PQ-UMRIN_YSR2sMAad2aT-tbOKLc49kHsN9u0B5TnGEsGtC_Dshi_ddxNHPG8JZQwBn8Jn0BI1FEOXsYnMVBXU9aIyktJZeaqAfsiweuGZyh5zSCsOSedzWUOLuKeW7Vcp7WgGba0y7G0_BXgI5i_l5nKJMQZlv59_Dse0xZ1SADzdKzhOgauJPt1RhE2Sr-NR/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
> > > We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at
> > armyscholarshipfoundation.org
> > >
> > > On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Enzo,
> > >>
> > >> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> > card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> > of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
> > >>
> > >> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a
> > PC Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware
> > and specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all
> > the peripherals you will need.
> > >>
> > >> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1VwG2tbYb1jAjg201pQkV_T2Xk4RWdRqHdSu4I5T1gmotr_54qG7oYif6WOeAFKDwfuDwo2ld5tPxHUl54b5qbjcDUnumLjKF-VB4wavk7zzYSXCUVQ9teLqJ8QsKpJjSYDS1VemU444xopkuo1o2L0vSXIDMWMzYBPkSO0ADwzsRfjl26btiGLyiTfmKdBtE9enuYYdrz2cJdiD5rQM0iE

Re: my new z114

[Doug]

The "boards" were maybe 1 inch thick, with holes in them. You put an 
overlay over the board (depending on what you were programming) and 
inserted wires between the holes based on the overlays. My father 
programmed these things for a bank on Long Island NY. The wires were of 
various lengths depending on how far they had to reach. They were mabe 
12inches by 12 inches, and went into a receiver, and then were snapped 
into the machine. After I went to 360 Common I/O school, I went to work 
for Sorbus for awhile and had to deal with them there, but I never could 
program them.


Doug Fuerst


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Subject: Re: my new z114


On 5/29/22 12:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

You could theoretically add wires without removing the board. I've never seen 
it done and I suspect that it's not safe.


I'm now getting the impression that the wires were sort of latched into the 
board and the plugboard tool was used to unlatch wires for insertion and 
removal.

The idea of plugs & wires being latched into the board makes more sense as far as 
inserting & removing the entire board from the system.  As if the board is simply a 
passive frame that holds the plugs & wires in place while the actual jack for the plugs 
remains in the system.

I have no idea if this is remotely correct, but it does make a LOT more sense 
to me than removing and inserting boards with a bunch of jack in them.



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Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

"In the accounting machine, what did the actual addition and printing
operations?"

The 6400 took up 90 sq ft. Yes, it was really 10 feet by 9 feet.

The electronics to do arithmetic, etc were all on what IBM called SMS
cards. Basically, discrete electronics, pre-integrated circuit/SLT.

The machine in the front of this picture is a 6400.
https://tinyurl.com/bdpr7tbe

The plugboard went in the left side of the machine. The console in the back
was the ALU/Processor.

Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 2:53 PM Enzo D'Amato 
wrote:

> The plug board history discussion here has been fascinating. Although I
> have always been interested in vintage computers, I have never done much
> research into the plug board type equipment. One of the biggest things I
> have always wondered about when it comes to the plug boards was where the
> processors in the system were. In the accounting machine, what did the
> actual addition and printing operations?
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Gary Eheman 
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Harry:
> To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never
> forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently
> and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
>
> Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON
> channels which would be a pre-req.
>
> A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic
> of my father:  http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/407.html
> We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at
> armyscholarshipfoundation.org
>
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl 
> wrote:
>
> >Enzo,
> >
> >You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
> >
> >Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a
> PC Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware
> and specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all
> the peripherals you will need.
> >
> >http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
> >
> >Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically
> from their P/390 group.
> >
> >There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
> >
>
> (snippage)
>
> >P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able
> to get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts
> not open to the public.
> >Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
> >System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
> >www.funsoft.com
> >
>
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Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

The plug board history discussion here has been fascinating. Although I have 
always been interested in vintage computers, I have never done much research 
into the plug board type equipment. One of the biggest things I have always 
wondered about when it comes to the plug boards was where the processors in the 
system were. In the accounting machine, what did the actual addition and 
printing operations?

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Gary Eheman 
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Harry:
To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently and 
the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.

Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
channels which would be a pre-req.

A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
my father:  http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/407.html
We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
armyscholarshipfoundation.org

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:

>Enzo,
>
>You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
>will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
>peripheral you could possibly use.
>
>Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
>Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
>specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
>peripherals you will need.
>
>http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
>
>Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
>their P/390 group.
>
>There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>

(snippage)

>P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to 
>get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not 
>open to the public.
>Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
>System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
>www.funsoft.com
>

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Re: my new z114

[Grant Taylor]

On 5/29/22 12:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
You could theoretically add wires without removing the board. I've 
never seen it done and I suspect that it's not safe.


I'm now getting the impression that the wires were sort of latched into 
the board and the plugboard tool was used to unlatch wires for insertion 
and removal.


The idea of plugs & wires being latched into the board makes more sense 
as far as inserting & removing the entire board from the system.  As if 
the board is simply a passive frame that holds the plugs & wires in 
place while the actual jack for the plugs remains in the system.


I have no idea if this is remotely correct, but it does make a LOT more 
sense to me than removing and inserting boards with a bunch of jack in them.




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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

The 407 boards are interchangeable among machines with the same features. The 
interface is pins.


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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

On 5/29/22 12:00 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> ObBentPins FWIW, I've never seen anybody re-plugging a board without
> first removing it.

I've read about the boards being interchangeable before.  I never knew
what sort of connector / interface would be used between the board and
the rest of the system.



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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

You could theoretically add wires without removing the board. I've never seen 
it done and I suspect that it's not safe.


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Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 2:13 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

"I've never seen a picture of one of
those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
while it was in the machine. "

Ummm ... not possible. To reprogram a board, you had to take a special IBM
tool and push the wire up thru the bottom of the board! Kinda hard to do
when the board is in the machine :)

Growing up, my dad had a job as an IBM CE. One of his product lines was the
6400 accounting machine. Great fun for a kid on the weekend to play with a
plugboard and wires!

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Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 12:00 PM Tom Brennan 
wrote:

> Enzo mentioned he has a couple of ESCON cards, so he's still in the
> running.  Great pic of your dad - I've never seen a picture of one of
> those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
> while it was in the machine.  On a table looks a whole lot easier.
>
> On 5/29/2022 7:42 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:
> > Harry:
> > To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never
> forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently
> and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
> >
> > Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no
> ESCON channels which would be a pre-req.
> >
> > A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a
> pic of my father:  
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1gwDFZ0VlqoCEukSVnTPS9NrhjazJmj-3U1dBfEt5gk4BwjjxsNtFHIDEnYfbCzWq4Q6OKfisop3TmqYJAumPycsMTHL2v7-SzSC7MwNo-QvgScZxaXN7LYEiwN6vOmtQhyB9H-31LaxJ92ZdqRw3cCrNpzOegAplxOKzc2Ull6eTDQqz32iNU7_wmW8fALJ1dz-v8CnI1kcg3CHw1Yw7A7Ai611_X7znJqzpmV8oQZOmEPMVW7Wd2WYiCalCX7PQ-UMRIN_YSR2sMAad2aT-tbOKLc49kHsN9u0B5TnGEsGtC_Dshi_ddxNHPG8JZQwBn8Jn0BI1FEOXsYnMVBXU9aIyktJZeaqAfsiweuGZyh5zSCsOSedzWUOLuKeW7Vcp7WgGba0y7G0_BXgI5i_l5nKJMQZlv59_Dse0xZ1SADzdKzhOgauJPt1RhE2Sr-NR/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
> > We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at
> armyscholarshipfoundation.org
> >
> > On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Enzo,
> >>
> >> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
> >>
> >> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a
> PC Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware
> and specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all
> the peripherals you will need.
> >>
> >> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1VwG2tbYb1jAjg201pQkV_T2Xk4RWdRqHdSu4I5T1gmotr_54qG7oYif6WOeAFKDwfuDwo2ld5tPxHUl54b5qbjcDUnumLjKF-VB4wavk7zzYSXCUVQ9teLqJ8QsKpJjSYDS1VemU444xopkuo1o2L0vSXIDMWMzYBPkSO0ADwzsRfjl26btiGLyiTfmKdBtE9enuYYdrz2cJdiD5rQM0iEuBMgJ2atTeLlFbKOBMoUlrFBSMDGDZBrJ0cLb0seDlqaooHhB5oinuNR2XvNf7mxySklYrQAWkUvwHBpdyvIrJMNQCRPHE4GWYGTmgnmIxEkza9GU-11HlQIqRaGqty9xU7bv2asl1Q89dLdLwBt6g6JOdQti781ycKR7pTO4ezSBmSiOZgsCoDGKmCrheAZjxpahepAymhjU8ahSEadCKfPctiD14RerSHG-vFJ9f/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
> >>  go to FlexCub white paper.
> >>
> >> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM,
> specifically from their P/390 group.
> >>
> >> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
> >>
> >
> > (snippage)
> >
> >> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be
> able to get you access to

Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

"I've never seen a picture of one of
those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
while it was in the machine. "

Ummm ... not possible. To reprogram a board, you had to take a special IBM
tool and push the wire up thru the bottom of the board! Kinda hard to do
when the board is in the machine :)

Growing up, my dad had a job as an IBM CE. One of his product lines was the
6400 accounting machine. Great fun for a kid on the weekend to play with a
plugboard and wires!

https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102732361

https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102645466

Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 12:00 PM Tom Brennan 
wrote:

> Enzo mentioned he has a couple of ESCON cards, so he's still in the
> running.  Great pic of your dad - I've never seen a picture of one of
> those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
> while it was in the machine.  On a table looks a whole lot easier.
>
> On 5/29/2022 7:42 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:
> > Harry:
> > To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never
> forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently
> and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
> >
> > Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no
> ESCON channels which would be a pre-req.
> >
> > A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a
> pic of my father:  http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/407.html
> > We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at
> armyscholarshipfoundation.org
> >
> > On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Enzo,
> >>
> >> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
> >>
> >> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a
> PC Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware
> and specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all
> the peripherals you will need.
> >>
> >> http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
> >>
> >> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM,
> specifically from their P/390 group.
> >>
> >> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
> >>
> >
> > (snippage)
> >
> >> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be
> able to get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the
> parts not open to the public.
> >> Fundamental Software, Inc.
> >> System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
> >> www.funsoft.com
> >>
> >
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Re: my new z114

[Grant Taylor]

On 5/29/22 12:00 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
ObBentPins FWIW, I've never seen anybody re-plugging a board without 
first removing it.


I've read about the boards being interchangeable before.  I never knew 
what sort of connector / interface would be used between the board and 
the rest of the system.




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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

ObBentPins FWIW, I've never seen anybody re-plugging a board without first 
removing it.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom 
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Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 1:00 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo mentioned he has a couple of ESCON cards, so he's still in the
running.  Great pic of your dad - I've never seen a picture of one of
those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work
while it was in the machine.  On a table looks a whole lot easier.

On 5/29/2022 7:42 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:
> Harry:
> To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
> forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently 
> and the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.
>
> Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
> channels which would be a pre-req.
>
> A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
> my father:  
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1HePYMkzZTi2l-hDJc66sbW_YVzeHHv60Ur5YKodHYHHzCmKzQu6D0EhoeZvZegjtx4dugHaE3NS92VDlkncj5oTmlTnPv-zx5ZiCc1tir1SBQ4xI03Uzi_wIiAUmDCunpRb1a2dBkUjTAsAQyPE9wt7HKWne8T8-FFvEVJadrKq3NXPf3n0NhYvYRw--Y3yW0kA6P3p0N-p_jo7XcF66-UXoC6mkss45_DoqoIhMRNivhqWb3COj2fLmK4HM4GuSSNXOJd_UIVTTnjCrZnnuIQuMaNVIifiNdbqfF9fCGRV6sFGtMf29TxTup5g6V6dwx_WDLqZveBWYJ-Ylm2AKmRJTJDsUNRdQ48yuJ7aJmG_QVSc8_jqyy4Xu7O0iY3dsSH_5Fb5OJalYxDfqcdQ-9UmwZujG-wwu46KzfeLXvUhGRTDzpNL667K-AaFVhXuD/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.columbia.edu%2Fcu%2Fcomputinghistory%2F407.html
> We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
> armyscholarshipfoundation.org
>
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:
>
>> Enzo,
>>
>> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
>> will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
>> peripheral you could possibly use.
>>
>> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
>> Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
>> specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
>> peripherals you will need.
>>
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1VWsB1ydF79TMLtRRAAZ9bXarsdE2Om34mdcolR87C60-q0PalZV91vb_fNJ7fMY2Gax9wF-ZmsYkQv6P_3aSizIJTHtfp6-7oSWDh8ryBMlsvTYo9ZPjY5rDzI_zR-dL0wuY-LkYPI-0dnnGiWn7SJ8kwwJ-AiGbdnFWBF4RLi62CSH91j408wlUJvy89PUfmZWq2evL-xDNv9JRbBWlvb1PkQY_Xm9Ch1d6ks6bBUdHiMKSdkO7K95pq6Wsi9M84UsJm4nhEakUzFysHpMqfjj6iPz2PDnlFi7uCzPdZOuy1z5TR1cGEOh-jD1rB-sY8l9NjsqHFyQWGPh_ZsrqXsnBd65BeqYkqYPrNHWTZpf2-Ihbz_OUMMEd-CY6gd0ArzgJop05VXguCumqu3WzFMyo4Wc_FJSNbigoY_dII5Q5mbDQOhG-mMIg0jTGou6G/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
>>  go to FlexCub white paper.
>>
>> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically 
>> from their P/390 group.
>>
>> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>>
>
> (snippage)
>
>> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to 
>> get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not 
>> open to the public.
>> Fundamental Software, 
>> Inc.<http://secure-web.cisco.com/13hmC2qVPVF4Wt21Osx_mKV0x02wIFWtc38RFTMlvgXMQKDb3FLIuYEBHj4pK-E2nKIggJM51rJeKgSGCa43DtrK1OZDbQRaN9yBMBxCyG7T7ZqI5uSUl6_xsIz_pWWJKx4A25-oF-iGZjmhhy-QHvXuGGWczb5mu0AaH_LRfAAEvMKFCIBbJ-qw2VApbrVTN23c63BQqXXchn2ITiaHqhXFkQDnO_-142JF4_iuhjR7NXxhUUHrlTR3OaXZuhRA-TLA5pMKr0LeoGNOvPnY7S-7GNpLAvkAgvdt0bBi_yjvqdcmsuEkq_Z2YKCYsw31MvKKMkSpof9htdQz5Rct5A9gHUW9YL4jA7DlZRoj45IoOorDVx9adM-0dhEvQ3vZNRTZxsnE8yZ7hYM7JtWz8ExXtxQVvMbAKLyft9m2EinIQq6_uDsQTn2PuVRNPw9Y4/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com%2F>
>> System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1VWsB1ydF79TMLtRRAAZ9bXarsdE2Om34mdcolR87C60-q0PalZV91vb_fNJ7fMY2Gax9wF-ZmsYkQv6P_3aSizIJTHtfp6-7oSWDh8ryBMlsvTYo9ZPjY5rDzI_zR-dL0wuY-LkYPI-0dnnGiWn7SJ8kwwJ-AiGbdnFWBF4RLi62CSH91j408wlUJvy89PUfmZWq2evL-xDNv9JRbBWlvb1PkQY_Xm9Ch1d6ks6bBUdHiMKSdkO7K95pq6Wsi9M84UsJm4nhEakUzFysHpMqfjj6iPz2PDnlFi7uCzPdZOuy1z5TR1cGEOh-jD1rB-sY8l9NjsqHFyQWGPh_ZsrqXsnBd65BeqYkqYPrNHWTZpf2-Ihbz_OUMMEd-CY6gd0ArzgJop05VXguCumqu3WzFMyo4Wc_FJSNbigoY_dII5Q5mbDQOhG-mMIg0jTGou6G/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com
>>
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Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

Enzo mentioned he has a couple of ESCON cards, so he's still in the 
running.  Great pic of your dad - I've never seen a picture of one of 
those wire boards being worked on and always assumed you did the work 
while it was in the machine.  On a table looks a whole lot easier.


On 5/29/2022 7:42 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:

Harry:
To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently and 
the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM.

Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
channels which would be a pre-req.

A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
my father:  http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/407.html
We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
armyscholarshipfoundation.org

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:


Enzo,

You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
peripheral you could possibly use.

Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC Card 
that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and specific 
PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the peripherals 
you will need.

http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.

Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
their P/390 group.

There are several other, similar vendors out there too.



(snippage)


P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to get 
you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not open to 
the public.
Fundamental Software, Inc.
System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
www.funsoft.com



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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

The XA changes made the interface more complicating, but also removed the need 
to manage multiple paths. From the perspective of an OS developer, the net 
effect is to make it simpler. For a training project you would stick to single 
path unshared devices and wind up with the interface complexity the benefit.


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Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I never worked at the bare metal level...but I thought one of the major
reasons they reworked the I/O subsystem in XA was to simplify doing I/O.
You don't' have to deal with statues of the channel and the control unit
and the device; just do an SSCH and off you go.

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 9:17 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> I realize that SIO no longer exists in zArch; in fact, it never existed in
> XA or ESA. That's why I asked about S/370 LPARs. For S/370, learning on
> bare metal is more viable, but I believe that for a beginner ESA or Z on
> bare metal might be more traumatic than first learning on z/OS or CMS.
>
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Re: my new z114

[Gary Eheman]

Harry:
To try and squelch a bit of misinformation here since the Internet never 
forgets, Funsoft was *not* spun off from IBM.  It was founded independently and 
the software and hardware engineering roots were definitely not IBM. 

Enzo can contact me concerning a FLEXCUB. No need if his z114 has no ESCON 
channels which would be a pre-req. 

A second unrelated intersection to your post relative to Columbia is a pic of 
my father:  http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/407.html
We used the same pic when my family endowed a perpetual scholarship at 
armyscholarshipfoundation.org

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:50:07 +, Harry Wahl  wrote:

>Enzo,
>
>You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
>will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
>peripheral you could possibly use.
>
>Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
>Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
>specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
>peripherals you will need.
>
>http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
>
>Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
>their P/390 group.
>
>There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>

(snippage)

>P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to 
>get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not 
>open to the public.
>Fundamental Software, Inc.
>System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
>www.funsoft.com
>

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Re: my new z114

[Jay Maynard]

I never worked at the bare metal level...but I thought one of the major
reasons they reworked the I/O subsystem in XA was to simplify doing I/O.
You don't' have to deal with statues of the channel and the control unit
and the device; just do an SSCH and off you go.

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 9:17 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> I realize that SIO no longer exists in zArch; in fact, it never existed in
> XA or ESA. That's why I asked about S/370 LPARs. For S/370, learning on
> bare metal is more viable, but I believe that for a beginner ESA or Z on
> bare metal might be more traumatic than first learning on z/OS or CMS.
>
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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

I realize that SIO no longer exists in zArch; in fact, it never existed in XA 
or ESA. That's why I asked about S/370 LPARs. For S/370, learning on bare metal 
is more viable, but I believe that for a beginner ESA or Z on bare metal might 
be more traumatic than first learning on z/OS or CMS.


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Monk [joemon...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Seymour,

Just like all z boxes these days, the z114 only runs in LPAR mode. There is
no way to defin\e an  LPAR on a z114 for any machine type earlier than
ESA/390. Remember, z114 is a post z10 box.

Plus, SIO and its brethren do not exist in z/Arch. :) They were eliminated
from the instruction set.

Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 8:51 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> In S/370 mode, you use that Start I/O (SIO) instruction and the only
> architected data you need to worry about are the Channel Address Word
> (CAW), channel Command Words (CCWs) and Channel Status Word (CSW). In XA,
> ESA and Z modes you need to deal with several other data, e.g., the
> Operation-Request Block (ORB). Compare the descriptions of I/O in <
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1SF5czVeBZ6U8saekUHm8W3G3RSgjZdtCIJkz_-xwiU_Urcv_EvkvUXvbkueQiUXQOPO1kVYdsV18SdxevY5ohAjlJ2e-uNXVDASlllFoeWpHsy0eNskvX7kP-C8UWMzXmDwIwPsEuOaXckn9x_i_0DsrWV_aV2bh23029_bLuha_Je5Xi6pZUVDDzIzi5jKptRXyrwJWW7a5uuWLk0Jp767BqMlCyoY2GGqYw5F1Ja0vGqq7R5iFEqzl7Q4zkRL_x3tQR2SDpCxYZgkQLX56b_O5wHpZfVngiliebxqlv1aeyWNmZOcvsebBT_tIAknJybRTeZoaTs8TxG2fg-idZjkNnB2XeMSYNUF8yKNxzT9pWX7SBw-J1SrOgZlRWMxmf38lU_UuWG4C73EOyVPGEF5CUazFIc9i_n8ts4UrUdLR2Q6ZeR_zpk4p_GWr8FjI/http%3A%2F%2Fbitsavers.org%2Fpdf%2Fibm%2F370%2FprincOps%2FGA22-7000-7_IBM_System_370_Principles_of_Operation_8th_ed_198103.pdf>,
> <
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1WjOMa9SzROlTbs1X7dK5QECznO-KVyWLKT-O2eMRt5bhxpQFnh1HsUWsDcSvZCjGOF3vFBEIcGoCRDO734k8YPisoYDoloLe6maQCBrdGem1wbjkvp5dVIlavcFDsk7S7kTjqp6sdcseY64B-Ec_Ov1FPeUU7W2ow9kTq0wrTsqgzAvdhbK0_SNJH7WSe4yy0gCeey93C7Eew5fEFuEW9fV_l7beAiIbCNyJWbZ1adgKyb1Wrjef9gJK5QKkdG1DwHOR7YCcSvec4fBJKrofECwG1lVnFS-VxgCAdyKzo1MgxPSOeKHgR5H03aN0eLcxc4Xm3CLa-ublh-pbOvbjRzS92kEXay0k9RbSY_tlGT9PXOGt0-ZLgC46AvzOdlPWgj4QgTiDm-lq8Pk9as76fvFGXTYNdIhHy2BTaUDc1Vxi6I0CYiuXUCnYkCOHnbI_/http%3A%2F%2Fbitsavers.org%2Fpdf%2Fibm%2F370%2FprincOps%2FSA22-7085-1_370-XA_Principles_of_Operation_Jan87.pdf>,
> <
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/18vmOd_xk_Vwa1e7JUnxkyxdn9Qlw2CeRULi09GYPIRirakSd0NmEo5kacBDmFbztgUCHceZspjuA-qpmOwg2rRHQOs7tAyYB3xk_t_sZofRq2DR6Cvh2ni1n7GI-ds-TiSG4sCa7V3kzK96HHks2kFp6lVLi1RFkwWMzylMsslxcdO1gftWoOPLHfezk1lEvEFC8IP_AZXucj6dMZMrncGUNaypBzqxX3P5PvuIAqSwyiZ0VEhnUDLI6yKBWyXQEgD3jEVOxlbv71kZtlWv2PBe_ALZ320jzgtOopgt3k3fVASTh2AGOQyx7ctTjVs1wdzWWKQ9fXTaxQ36m0hCzUVvIVchkzCKZDmFrp4QEe7rj51lzCv5KYEbfDOA12hfBsvfl_QYSNNJxa11-EXP4E9XIo6HIRNfiGOA2jDY7mHgR91BmwmDQsY7qx5-nWgXZ/http%3A%2F%2Fbitsavers.org%2Fpdf%2Fibm%2F370%2FprincOps%2FSA22-7200-0_370-ESA_Principles_of_Operation_Aug88.pdf>.
> and, if you're curious, SA22-7801-9 for ESA/390 and SA22-7832-12 for z (-13
> should be out shortly), although the big change is from S/370 to S/370-XA.
>
> I would recommend downloading the manuals for the most recent z/OS and
> z/VM that will run on the Z114; disk and SSD don't cost that much these
> days. I'd also recommend taking backups of all HMC and SE data.
>
> Especially while you're still learning, it might help to take and organize
> copious notes. And remember that the only stupid question is the one that
> you should have asked but didn't; don't be afraid to ask if some of the
> documentation seems unintelligible. But whatever you do, have fun doing it.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:55 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Joe is correct that an ESA/390 lpar is the lowest option supported on the
> z114. I can run software up to z/OS 2.2, which came out in 2015. While this
> is old, I am not sure that it is quite bit savers old yet. I believe that
> manuals for this software version are still on the public internet (it is a
> section on IBM documentation).  What additional complications are involved
> in programming for z/Archetecure and ESA/390 that you don't have to deal
> with on the lower ISA levels?
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Seymour J Metz 
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:07 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

Seymour,

Just like all z boxes these days, the z114 only runs in LPAR mode. There is
no way to defin\e an  LPAR on a z114 for any machine type earlier than
ESA/390. Remember, z114 is a post z10 box.

Plus, SIO and its brethren do not exist in z/Arch. :) They were eliminated
from the instruction set.

Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 8:51 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> In S/370 mode, you use that Start I/O (SIO) instruction and the only
> architected data you need to worry about are the Channel Address Word
> (CAW), channel Command Words (CCWs) and Channel Status Word (CSW). In XA,
> ESA and Z modes you need to deal with several other data, e.g., the
> Operation-Request Block (ORB). Compare the descriptions of I/O in <
> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/princOps/GA22-7000-7_IBM_System_370_Principles_of_Operation_8th_ed_198103.pdf>,
> <
> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/princOps/SA22-7085-1_370-XA_Principles_of_Operation_Jan87.pdf>,
> <
> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/princOps/SA22-7200-0_370-ESA_Principles_of_Operation_Aug88.pdf>.
> and, if you're curious, SA22-7801-9 for ESA/390 and SA22-7832-12 for z (-13
> should be out shortly), although the big change is from S/370 to S/370-XA.
>
> I would recommend downloading the manuals for the most recent z/OS and
> z/VM that will run on the Z114; disk and SSD don't cost that much these
> days. I'd also recommend taking backups of all HMC and SE data.
>
> Especially while you're still learning, it might help to take and organize
> copious notes. And remember that the only stupid question is the one that
> you should have asked but didn't; don't be afraid to ask if some of the
> documentation seems unintelligible. But whatever you do, have fun doing it.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:55 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Joe is correct that an ESA/390 lpar is the lowest option supported on the
> z114. I can run software up to z/OS 2.2, which came out in 2015. While this
> is old, I am not sure that it is quite bit savers old yet. I believe that
> manuals for this software version are still on the public internet (it is a
> section on IBM documentation).  What additional complications are involved
> in programming for z/Archetecure and ESA/390 that you don't have to deal
> with on the lower ISA levels?
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Seymour J Metz 
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:07 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> When you ask IBM about licensing software old enough to run on that box,
> you might want to ask them whether it is possible to obtain softcopy
> manuals and training materials at the same levels. Also, you may be able to
> find a lot of the relevant manuals at the bitsaves web site.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 7:21 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: my new z114
>
> I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share some
> more information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a high
> school junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have been in
> the process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen my other
> post about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally arrived.
> If you want to see some pictures of the machine please do check out my
> reddit post here:
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CZItIYHeYY3-uraOprb1SqojHusTPmWTIG2Wz2teDumFhul97h-qbIpLQyGfH2SGOaW-mARuPoQt6FxTNPvs18rgJn4YMrXRGlMiYJMiMXetL6kRLsVkaREi03C_OzlkdvL5o2N7RKWdigGyvVleJLN96qzzy-6tJSF4i1NRT9G-jxb4t-eryfLXIit6rFuGT4EEzGL8xf_AHRJqCiaejRmn3TEhSmRd-3xUdSxieLHJshf-KW99yJS1PzbH7sDB8ZkE3oTAZHoD5EURxGMQUVWGsnJYFqaTn7F4hxHB-faeqWvmz_6Jv5SnXGktTD8pWPjIwUeRt6R8rCIx0hC4HOvMstxWWUjdvIoSrOCiB24/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fhomelab%2Fcomments%2Fuxsbef%2Fmy_new_z114%2F%3F%20At%20the%20time%20of%20writing%2C%20I%20have%20not%20powered%20up%20the%20machine%20yet%2C%20as%20I%20still%20have%20to%20run%20and%20connect%20the%20power%20to%20my%20220v%20supply.%20The%20HMC%20for%20my%20machine%20is%20also%20still%20in%20the%20mail%2C%20and%20I%20am%20expecting%20it%20sometime%20this%20weekend%2C%20or%20early%20next%20week.%20My%20main%20plan%20for%20the%20machine%20is%

Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

In S/370 mode, you use that Start I/O (SIO) instruction and the only 
architected data you need to worry about are the Channel Address Word (CAW), 
channel Command Words (CCWs) and Channel Status Word (CSW). In XA, ESA and Z 
modes you need to deal with several other data, e.g., the Operation-Request 
Block (ORB). Compare the descriptions of I/O in 
<http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/princOps/GA22-7000-7_IBM_System_370_Principles_of_Operation_8th_ed_198103.pdf>,
 
<http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/princOps/SA22-7085-1_370-XA_Principles_of_Operation_Jan87.pdf>,
 
<http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/princOps/SA22-7200-0_370-ESA_Principles_of_Operation_Aug88.pdf>.
 and, if you're curious, SA22-7801-9 for ESA/390 and SA22-7832-12 for z (-13 
should be out shortly), although the big change is from S/370 to S/370-XA.

I would recommend downloading the manuals for the most recent z/OS and z/VM 
that will run on the Z114; disk and SSD don't cost that much these days. I'd 
also recommend taking backups of all HMC and SE data.

Especially while you're still learning, it might help to take and organize 
copious notes. And remember that the only stupid question is the one that you 
should have asked but didn't; don't be afraid to ask if some of the 
documentation seems unintelligible. But whatever you do, have fun doing it.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 8:55 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Joe is correct that an ESA/390 lpar is the lowest option supported on the z114. 
I can run software up to z/OS 2.2, which came out in 2015. While this is old, I 
am not sure that it is quite bit savers old yet. I believe that manuals for 
this software version are still on the public internet (it is a section on IBM 
documentation).  What additional complications are involved in programming for 
z/Archetecure and ESA/390 that you don't have to deal with on the lower ISA 
levels?

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Seymour J Metz 
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

When you ask IBM about licensing software old enough to run on that box, you 
might want to ask them whether it is possible to obtain softcopy manuals and 
training materials at the same levels. Also, you may be able to find a lot of 
the relevant manuals at the bitsaves web site.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 7:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: my new z114

I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share some more 
information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a high school 
junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have been in the 
process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen my other post 
about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally arrived. If you 
want to see some pictures of the machine please do check out my reddit post 
here: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CZItIYHeYY3-uraOprb1SqojHusTPmWTIG2Wz2teDumFhul97h-qbIpLQyGfH2SGOaW-mARuPoQt6FxTNPvs18rgJn4YMrXRGlMiYJMiMXetL6kRLsVkaREi03C_OzlkdvL5o2N7RKWdigGyvVleJLN96qzzy-6tJSF4i1NRT9G-jxb4t-eryfLXIit6rFuGT4EEzGL8xf_AHRJqCiaejRmn3TEhSmRd-3xUdSxieLHJshf-KW99yJS1PzbH7sDB8ZkE3oTAZHoD5EURxGMQUVWGsnJYFqaTn7F4hxHB-faeqWvmz_6Jv5SnXGktTD8pWPjIwUeRt6R8rCIx0hC4HOvMstxWWUjdvIoSrOCiB24/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fhomelab%2Fcomments%2Fuxsbef%2Fmy_new_z114%2F%3F%20At%20the%20time%20of%20writing%2C%20I%20have%20not%20powered%20up%20the%20machine%20yet%2C%20as%20I%20still%20have%20to%20run%20and%20connect%20the%20power%20to%20my%20220v%20supply.%20The%20HMC%20for%20my%20machine%20is%20also%20still%20in%20the%20mail%2C%20and%20I%20am%20expecting%20it%20sometime%20this%20weekend%2C%20or%20early%20next%20week.%20My%20main%20plan%20for%20the%20machine%20is%20to%20use%20it%20to%20learn%20everything%20there%20is%20to%20know%20about%20the%20platform%2C%20and%20learn%20the%20skills%20that%20I%20would%20need%20for%20a%20career%20in%20mainframe%20early.%20I%20am%20also%20trying%20to%20get%20into%20MIT%2C%20and%20having%20a%20unique%20accomplishment%20like%20this%20on%20your%20transcript%20can%20be%20a%20big%20help%20in%20that%20regard.%20Currently%2C%20I%20have%20a%20FC%20SAN%20for%20FBA%20storage%2C%20but%20I%20am%20still%20looking%20for%20CKD%20capable%20storage.%20My%20parents%20have%20allowed%20me%20to%20take%20up%20to%20three%20racks%2C%20so%20if%20you%20know%20of%20anyone%20trying%20to%20get%20rid%20of%20some%2C%20no%20matter%20how%20old%20it%

Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

Enzo,

Your problem may be that IBM no longer has the tools to generate Licensing
for this machine.

Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 8:03 AM Enzo D'Amato 
wrote:

> Thanks for the website information, this was a fascinating read. Either
> way, I am going to see what I can do about getting the additional CP and
> engines. I am quite happy about having the additional memory however, as
> usually find myself running lots of different semi-idle tasks and OSes.
>
> Thanks for sharing that link,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:38 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Here's an old web page that may be of some interest.  This site (now
> gone) used to list MIPS and general prices.  For IFL/zIIP/zAAP
> processors I usually estimate based on a Z01 which would be 782 MIPS.
> Quite a bit higher than the poor A01, if you can get it somehow.
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20190814064640/http://www.tech-news.com/publib/pl2818.html
>
> And your A01 is listed there at $75K, but with the FICON, extra memory,
> and CBU, I wouldn't be surprised if it originally sold for double that.
>
> On 5/28/2022 3:04 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved
> workloads (DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the
> computing speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them.
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up though,
> > Enzo Damato
> >
> > Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me>
> > On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab  <mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from
> > IBM.  That is what got Neon to speed up DB2.
> > https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/
> >
> > On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato 
> wrote:
> >
> >   I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on
> pushing the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too
> upset about this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty
> engines to learn more about how they impact performance and software
> behavior. Either way though, performance isn't the end of the world for me.
> >
> >   Thanks for the info,
> >   Enzo Damato
> > 
> >
> >   From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Tom Brennan 
> >   Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
> >   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >   Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> >   Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
> >   originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
> >   was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't
> even
> >   extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably
> why
> >   you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.
> >
> >   But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
> >   involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
> >   software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
> >   who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.
> >
> >   On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> >   Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came
> from. Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired?
> Or would the machine lock this out once the contract expired.
> >
> >   Thank you,
> >   Enzo Damato
> > 
> >
> >   From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Tom Brennan 
> >   Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
> >   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >   Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> >   I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
> >   configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have
> happened
> >   between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:
> >
> >   https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
> >   https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png
> >
> >   The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
> >   cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was
> originally
> >   ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
> >   time and that 2015 list.
> >
> >   The png file is generated by IBM's config program a

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Thanks for the website information, this was a fascinating read. Either way, I 
am going to see what I can do about getting the additional CP and engines. I am 
quite happy about having the additional memory however, as usually find myself 
running lots of different semi-idle tasks and OSes.

Thanks for sharing that link,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Here's an old web page that may be of some interest.  This site (now
gone) used to list MIPS and general prices.  For IFL/zIIP/zAAP
processors I usually estimate based on a Z01 which would be 782 MIPS.
Quite a bit higher than the poor A01, if you can get it somehow.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814064640/http://www.tech-news.com/publib/pl2818.html

And your A01 is listed there at $75K, but with the FICON, extra memory,
and CBU, I wouldn't be surprised if it originally sold for double that.

On 5/28/2022 3:04 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved 
> workloads (DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the 
> computing speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them.
>
> Thanks for the heads up though,
> Enzo Damato
>
> Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me>
> On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab 
> mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from
> IBM.  That is what got Neon to speed up DB2.
> https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato  
> wrote:
>
>   I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on 
> pushing the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset 
> about this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to 
> learn more about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either 
> way though, performance isn't the end of the world for me.
>
>   Thanks for the info,
>   Enzo Damato
> 
>
>   From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
>   Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
>   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>   Subject: Re: my new z114
>
>   Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
>   originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
>   was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even
>   extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why
>   you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.
>
>   But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
>   involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
>   software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
>   who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.
>
>   On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>   Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. 
> Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would 
> the machine lock this out once the contract expired.
>
>   Thank you,
>   Enzo Damato
> ________
>
>   From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
>   Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
>   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>   Subject: Re: my new z114
>
>   I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
>   configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
>   between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:
>
>   https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
>   https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png
>
>   The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
>   cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
>   ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
>   time and that 2015 list.
>
>   The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
>   least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
>   config.txt listing.
>
>   In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
>   a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
>   with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
>   time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
>   add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
>   for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.
>
>   What c

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Joe is correct that an ESA/390 lpar is the lowest option supported on the z114. 
I can run software up to z/OS 2.2, which came out in 2015. While this is old, I 
am not sure that it is quite bit savers old yet. I believe that manuals for 
this software version are still on the public internet (it is a section on IBM 
documentation).  What additional complications are involved in programming for 
z/Archetecure and ESA/390 that you don't have to deal with on the lower ISA 
levels?

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Seymour J Metz 
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

When you ask IBM about licensing software old enough to run on that box, you 
might want to ask them whether it is possible to obtain softcopy manuals and 
training materials at the same levels. Also, you may be able to find a lot of 
the relevant manuals at the bitsaves web site.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 7:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: my new z114

I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share some more 
information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a high school 
junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have been in the 
process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen my other post 
about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally arrived. If you 
want to see some pictures of the machine please do check out my reddit post 
here: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CZItIYHeYY3-uraOprb1SqojHusTPmWTIG2Wz2teDumFhul97h-qbIpLQyGfH2SGOaW-mARuPoQt6FxTNPvs18rgJn4YMrXRGlMiYJMiMXetL6kRLsVkaREi03C_OzlkdvL5o2N7RKWdigGyvVleJLN96qzzy-6tJSF4i1NRT9G-jxb4t-eryfLXIit6rFuGT4EEzGL8xf_AHRJqCiaejRmn3TEhSmRd-3xUdSxieLHJshf-KW99yJS1PzbH7sDB8ZkE3oTAZHoD5EURxGMQUVWGsnJYFqaTn7F4hxHB-faeqWvmz_6Jv5SnXGktTD8pWPjIwUeRt6R8rCIx0hC4HOvMstxWWUjdvIoSrOCiB24/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fhomelab%2Fcomments%2Fuxsbef%2Fmy_new_z114%2F%3F%20At%20the%20time%20of%20writing%2C%20I%20have%20not%20powered%20up%20the%20machine%20yet%2C%20as%20I%20still%20have%20to%20run%20and%20connect%20the%20power%20to%20my%20220v%20supply.%20The%20HMC%20for%20my%20machine%20is%20also%20still%20in%20the%20mail%2C%20and%20I%20am%20expecting%20it%20sometime%20this%20weekend%2C%20or%20early%20next%20week.%20My%20main%20plan%20for%20the%20machine%20is%20to%20use%20it%20to%20learn%20everything%20there%20is%20to%20know%20about%20the%20platform%2C%20and%20learn%20the%20skills%20that%20I%20would%20need%20for%20a%20career%20in%20mainframe%20early.%20I%20am%20also%20trying%20to%20get%20into%20MIT%2C%20and%20having%20a%20unique%20accomplishment%20like%20this%20on%20your%20transcript%20can%20be%20a%20big%20help%20in%20that%20regard.%20Currently%2C%20I%20have%20a%20FC%20SAN%20for%20FBA%20storage%2C%20but%20I%20am%20still%20looking%20for%20CKD%20capable%20storage.%20My%20parents%20have%20allowed%20me%20to%20take%20up%20to%20three%20racks%2C%20so%20if%20you%20know%20of%20anyone%20trying%20to%20get%20rid%20of%20some%2C%20no%20matter%20how%20old%20it%20is%2C%20I%20will%20pay%20shipping%20to%20me.%20I%20expect%20to%20be%20posting%20alot%20more%20here%20as%20I%20deal%20with%20the%20myriad%20chalanges%20involved%20with%20getting%20the%20machine%20set%20up.%20If%20you%20have%20any%20questions%20you%20would%20like%20to%20ask%2C%20please%20feel%20free%20to%20do%20so.%20I%20will%20do%20my%20best%20to%20reply%20thoughout%20the%20day.


Thank you,

Enzo Damato

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Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

The lowest level LPAR supported on z114 is ESA/390.

https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247954.pdf

Joe

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 4:10 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Does the Z114 support an S/370 LPAR, or does he need to deal with S/370-XA
> or ESA? There is a significant jump in complexity from 370 to XA; not so
> much from XA to ESA/390.
>
>
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of Dave Jones [d...@vsoft-software.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 1:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Enzo, this might be a good place to start to learn about bare-metal
> programming.
>
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/13gfBCmkh7-DBaV_wJCkftjRzGlmbuV7DwaZFlCC9-W_llZ5CAplrQS7xGQ78rFmNKEqcRoqxHTTCZDGSpIXF_a0lhQl6bSZ-nyId6sH-ZodLzmx0MNl9O8lLi6uheaqS5PMnofK1TynKGK_juHg5j9lPC1JHomXMwQqvS8QkUlLqZoO9ytlJmsOu4NbfA6yNrOz_DXqOogAeQuY8o1RvXAR5DIwYlVjTYx8aiciR4Z_0KGi_Jx5-pZu3AlSzpmF5ols3HBzKvpDR2P5oMaGFBF_xv-EuH8cUtq-8oDCU64OeL5qFGxoValAEJyXhFGWC9CvP0p6blXrswMeKRrR7JklRRqCjnWgXAuE1ntdpXLhQSG43j75qPqLz4nNN3zoilpRfe5Wo-3e5_WD6OK3zNS6h6UqtOZZji9ko6qaepNxlYJgWghhqG773ly9Ym9wt/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.txxos.com%2F
> Good luck to you as well.
> DJ
>
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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

When you ask IBM about licensing software old enough to run on that box, you 
might want to ask them whether it is possible to obtain softcopy manuals and 
training materials at the same levels. Also, you may be able to find a lot of 
the relevant manuals at the bitsaves web site.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 7:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: my new z114

I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share some more 
information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a high school 
junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have been in the 
process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen my other post 
about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally arrived. If you 
want to see some pictures of the machine please do check out my reddit post 
here: 
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Thank you,

Enzo Damato

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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

IMHO learning bare metal will only be easier if the Z114 supports an S/370 LPA; 
if he can only run in XA or ESA mode then it has more complexity. IAC, it might 
be desirable to check with local colleges to see whether there are projects for 
which he could get college credit.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Harry Wahl [harry_w...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 10:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

If you really want to do something outstanding (i.e. impress a university 
admissions committee), that doesn't require any hardware or operating system 
software beyond the z114, consider writing code that runs "on metal." This is 
commonly done in engineering for architectures such as ARM.

You can easily create a CD or DVD on a PC and then IPL it from the HMC. The 
process of doing this will be much more doable than trying to learn the z114 
hardware and any operating system at the same time; in which case learning any 
operating system will eclipse learning the z114. Once you  know the z114 
architecture, learning operating systems will be much easier; or you could go 
the route of creating new ways to exploit the z114 hardware and architecture, 
if you really want to do something amazing.

If you learn the hardware first, then the operating system software, your 
learning curve will be more reasonable and your exploration more unique, 
original, and result in you truly "groking" mainframes.

Writing an IPLable CD/DVD is well documented and if you have your own z114 
really easy. This is kind of access is very rare for production mainframe 
people.

If you need more information on creating an IPLable CD/DVD and how to use the 
HMC to IPL it, let me know.

Once you are able to create a CD/DVD that IPLs, you can iteratively expand its 
functionality to explore more and more of the Z architecture beyond anything 
any operating system that runs on a z114 would allow you to do.

Good Luck,
Harry

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Timothy Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fecc.marist.edu%2Fweb%2Fconference2022data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C71480e2fa7ce4f0462b708da3fec111a%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637892580380520069%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=kxoTsoF%2BHGY%2Ba9yxay0hX9GAxKPX63Lh7GTihFXXSd0%3Dreserved=0

Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage (technically, 
leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. Possibly also 
MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I think you can 
start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually having any attached 
storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.

Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. (z/TPF 
is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. I 
believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)

There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 
operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan 
Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples.

Good luck, and p

Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

A cross assembler should work fine, as long as it supports the right object 
formats. 

Is the ZZSA source on the CBT tape?

ICKDSF (and the old OS/360 utilities) can initialize a DASD volume from a 
single object deck. I know of nothing that can initialize with multiple csects.

You can IPL from optical media on the SE. Of course, you can also IPL from card 
or tape, although I don't know the last time someone used a (real) card reader 
in anger.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 12:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I'm not an expert at this at all so take what I say with a grain of salt. I 
just happened to have two (uninformed?) thoughts:

1. If Enzo wanted to write some bare metal code (which I think is a great idea) 
-- are there any examples anyone can point him to? Is there any IPL-able code 
on the CBT tape or other more-or-less public source that would serve as an 
example?

2. A cross-assembler or an assembler running on Hercules would seem to me to be 
useful and necessary to the effort. (Perhaps that is so obvious as to not be 
worth saying.)

I am trying to picture how nowadays one gets from classic object code to 
something one could IPL. The last time I IPL'ed something that was not a 
disk-based operating system it was a standalone dump on either cards or tape. I 
seem to recall there was some sort of a "link editor" that would produce an 
IPL-able image but I do not recall what it was.

Actually, I have not IPL'ed a box at all since I owned a P/390. What media will 
a z114 IPL from, other than DASD?

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.

As far as bare metal programming Hercules emulator on your PC might be
easier to write and debug with before putting on actual hardware.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:
>
> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
> in the box:
> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
>
> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
> require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
> to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
> but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
> on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on 
> that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some 
> mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on 
> doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have 
> much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be 
> starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with 
> someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you 
> said that it would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from 
> marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would 
> also like to look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity 
> upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the end of this 
> year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.
>
> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
> from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see 
> if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I 
> will have to check).
>
> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the 
> system set up.
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Timothy Sipples 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Enzo,
>
> Congratulations on your acquisition!
>
> I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
> 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity 
> model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and 
> memory configuration. The capacity model is a lett

Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

I believe that there would be technical issues simulating a DASD controller on 
S/390 or Z. It's much easier if you can install software on both ends.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Grant Taylor [023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 12:49 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

On 5/27/22 8:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted to put one of those
> cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, but I don't
> want to order one if it will not activate.

Impressive.

> I am currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update
> you if I make any headway on that front.

Is there any way for one mainframe to export storage to another
mainframe as something more than NFS?  E.g. could a zD provide CKD
storage to another CEC?

> I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe
> attached virtual tape set up.
I have no idea what it's capability is, but I've used a virtual tape
package, I think it was named "MVT", for Open Systems.  Maybe it could
be made to do something for you.

> I would like to get in contact with someone about getting software
> disks/licences for my machine.

I wonder how flexible zD licensing might be.  Could zD's
/licensed/ software run on your z114 /legally/?  --  I have no doubt
that it's /technically/ /possible/ to do so.



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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

Does the Z114 support an S/370 LPAR, or does he need to deal with S/370-XA or 
ESA? There is a significant jump in complexity from 370 to XA; not so much from 
XA to ESA/390.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Dave Jones [d...@vsoft-software.com]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 1:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo, this might be a good place to start to learn about bare-metal programming.
http://secure-web.cisco.com/13gfBCmkh7-DBaV_wJCkftjRzGlmbuV7DwaZFlCC9-W_llZ5CAplrQS7xGQ78rFmNKEqcRoqxHTTCZDGSpIXF_a0lhQl6bSZ-nyId6sH-ZodLzmx0MNl9O8lLi6uheaqS5PMnofK1TynKGK_juHg5j9lPC1JHomXMwQqvS8QkUlLqZoO9ytlJmsOu4NbfA6yNrOz_DXqOogAeQuY8o1RvXAR5DIwYlVjTYx8aiciR4Z_0KGi_Jx5-pZu3AlSzpmF5ols3HBzKvpDR2P5oMaGFBF_xv-EuH8cUtq-8oDCU64OeL5qFGxoValAEJyXhFGWC9CvP0p6blXrswMeKRrR7JklRRqCjnWgXAuE1ntdpXLhQSG43j75qPqLz4nNN3zoilpRfe5Wo-3e5_WD6OK3zNS6h6UqtOZZji9ko6qaepNxlYJgWghhqG773ly9Ym9wt/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.txxos.com%2F
Good luck to you as well.
DJ

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Re: my new z114

[Seymour J Metz]

I concur with those who have urged you involve a licensed electrician. 
Professional HVAC assistance may be advisable, especially if you have an MG set 
in the garage for backup power.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato [edam...@octechservices.org]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
many people here want to help.

z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
> you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
>
> On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
>> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
>> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
>> in the box:
>> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
>> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
>> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
>> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
>>
>> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
>> require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I 
>> wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core 
>> switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am 
>> currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make 
>> any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to 
>> get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do 
>> plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I 
>> don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would 
>> really be starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in 
>> contact with someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I 
>> know that you said that it would be a special order as the software is 
>> withdrawn from marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt 
>> to ask. I would also like to look into what would be involved in getting a 
>> LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the 
>> end of this year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let 
>> me know.
>>
>> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
>> from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to 
>> see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I

Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

Here's an old web page that may be of some interest.  This site (now 
gone) used to list MIPS and general prices.  For IFL/zIIP/zAAP 
processors I usually estimate based on a Z01 which would be 782 MIPS. 
Quite a bit higher than the poor A01, if you can get it somehow.


https://web.archive.org/web/20190814064640/http://www.tech-news.com/publib/pl2818.html

And your A01 is listed there at $75K, but with the FICON, extra memory, 
and CBU, I wouldn't be surprised if it originally sold for double that.


On 5/28/2022 3:04 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved workloads 
(DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the computing 
speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them.

Thanks for the heads up though,
Enzo Damato

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On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab 
mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from
IBM.  That is what got Neon to speed up DB2.
https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:

  I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on pushing 
the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset about 
this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to learn more 
about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either way though, 
performance isn't the end of the world for me.

  Thanks for the info,
  Enzo Damato


  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: my new z114

  Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
  originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
  was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even
  extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why
  you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.

  But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
  involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
  software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
  who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.

  On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
  Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. 
Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would 
the machine lock this out once the contract expired.

  Thank you,
  Enzo Damato


  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: my new z114

  I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
  configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
  between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:

  https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
  https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png

  The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
  cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
  ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
  time and that 2015 list.

  The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
  least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
  config.txt listing.

  In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
  a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
  with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
  time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
  add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
  for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.

  What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
  that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
  time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
  boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
  to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.

  On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
  This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information,

Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

There are some share documents showing what companies have
experienced.  They run at full speed for the proportion then run on
the assist processors.  No user changes, just the supporting software
runs there.

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 10:05 PM Enzo D'Amato
 wrote:
>
> Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved 
> workloads (DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the 
> computing speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them.
>
> Thanks for the heads up though,
> Enzo Damato
>
> Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me>
> On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab 
> mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from
> IBM.  That is what got Neon to speed up DB2.
> https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato  
> wrote:
>
>  I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on pushing 
> the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset about 
> this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to learn 
> more about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either way 
> though, performance isn't the end of the world for me.
>
>  Thanks for the info,
>  Enzo Damato
> 
>
>  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
>  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
>  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>  Subject: Re: my new z114
>
>  Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
>  originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
>  was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even
>  extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why
>  you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.
>
>  But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
>  involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
>  software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
>  who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.
>
>  On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>  Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. 
> Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would 
> the machine lock this out once the contract expired.
>
>  Thank you,
>  Enzo Damato
> ____________
>
>  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
>  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
>  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>  Subject: Re: my new z114
>
>  I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
>  configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
>  between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:
>
>  https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
>  https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png
>
>  The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
>  cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
>  ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
>  time and that 2015 list.
>
>  The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
>  least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
>  config.txt listing.
>
>  In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
>  a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
>  with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
>  time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
>  add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
>  for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.
>
>  What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
>  that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
>  time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
>  boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
>  to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.
>
>  On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>  This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
> what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
> ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I 
> will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted 
> to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for 
> the power cable (I

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved workloads 
(DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the computing 
speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them.

Thanks for the heads up though,
Enzo Damato

Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me>
On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab 
mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from
IBM.  That is what got Neon to speed up DB2.
https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:

 I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on pushing 
the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset about 
this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to learn more 
about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either way though, 
performance isn't the end of the world for me.

 Thanks for the info,
 Enzo Damato


 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Tom Brennan 
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: my new z114

 Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
 originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
 was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even
 extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why
 you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.

 But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
 involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
 software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
 who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.

 On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
 Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. Would 
it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would the 
machine lock this out once the contract expired.

 Thank you,
 Enzo Damato


 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Tom Brennan 
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: my new z114

 I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
 configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
 between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:

 https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
 https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png

 The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
 cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
 ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
 time and that 2015 list.

 The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
 least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
 config.txt listing.

 In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
 a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
 with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
 time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
 add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
 for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.

 What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
 that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
 time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
 boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
 to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.

 On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
 This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

 Thanks,
 Enzo Damato


 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Tom Brennan 
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: my new z114

 I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
 match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
 Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
 many people here want to help.

 z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
 26 MIPS, 3 MS

Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from
IBM.  That is what got Neon to speed up DB2.
https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:
>
> I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on pushing 
> the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset about 
> this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to learn 
> more about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either way 
> though, performance isn't the end of the world for me.
>
> Thanks for the info,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
> originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
> was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even
> extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why
> you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.
>
> But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
> involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
> software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
> who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.
>
> On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. 
> > Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or 
> > would the machine lock this out once the contract expired.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> > Tom Brennan 
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
> > configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
> > between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:
> >
> > https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
> > https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png
> >
> > The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
> > cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
> > ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
> > time and that 2015 list.
> >
> > The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
> > least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
> > config.txt listing.
> >
> > In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
> > a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
> > with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
> > time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
> > add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
> > for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.
> >
> > What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
> > that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
> > time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
> > boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
> > to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.
> >
> > On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> >> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no 
> >> idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not 
> >> use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either 
> >> way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I 
> >> also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single 
> >> phase wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v 
> >> single phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides 
> >> for this information, but I would like to independently verify this 
> >> information so that I don't fry my new machine.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Enzo Damato
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf 
> >> of Tom Brennan 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> &g

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on pushing 
the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset about 
this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to learn more 
about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either way though, 
performance isn't the end of the world for me.

Thanks for the info,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was
originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine
was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even
extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why
you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.

But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get
involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and
software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks
who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.

On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. 
> Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would 
> the machine lock this out once the contract expired.
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
> configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
> between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:
>
> https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
> https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png
>
> The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
> cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
> ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
> time and that 2015 list.
>
> The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
> least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
> config.txt listing.
>
> In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
> a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
> with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
> time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
> add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
> for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.
>
> What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
> that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
> time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
> boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
> to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.
>
> On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
>> what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
>> ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I 
>> will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also 
>> wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase 
>> wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single 
>> phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this 
>> information, but I would like to independently verify this information so 
>> that I don't fry my new machine.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Enzo Damato
>> ____
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> Tom Brennan 
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: my new z114
>>
>> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
>> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
>> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
>> many people here want to help.
>>
>> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
>> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
>> 40 GB
>> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
>> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
>> STP
>> CPACF
>> 1 HMC Tower
>> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>>
>> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, E

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Thanks for the heads up. One of my dad's friends is an electrician. I will 
contact him for some more advice on how everything should be wired up, and I 
will wait until he can come over and supervise the wiring and the first power 
up. Honestly, I am not even near ready to be doing the power wiring yet, right 
now, I was just hoping to get an idea of what to expect (single-phase or phase 
changer, what connector I would need, etc).

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Harry Wahl 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Do not plug that machine into public power without a licensed electrician 
looking at what you doing!

I am a NYS licensed PE and you are not only risking your machine (the least of 
your problems), but also a major fire, explosion, or even death. You will be 
held responsible for the inevitable damage you will be causing your local 
electrical grid.

The people on this list are sincerely trying to help you, but this level of 
electrical accommodation must be done by professionals. Home electrical work is 
one thing, three phase commercial power is another.

Good Luck,
Harry

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

Thanks for the info. From what I have read, the BPRs in all of the z114s are 
the same weather or not you are using three-phase or single phase. The only 
difference is the power cord that connects to them. I have a bare-ended power 
cord with the following leads: black, grey, brown, green. I also have the 
unbalanced (single) BPR configuration. I got this assumption from Connors 
Kurkowsy's talk, and from Christian Svensson's experiences 
(https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.mainframe.dev%2F2019%2F07%2Fpowering-mainframe.htmldata=05%7C01%7C%7C130801fe49164d8bdd8e08da40d41b05%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637893577046734414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=3y%2FgztZ4cqB2dwdK%2BSuSxQo%2Fp9AryKaOFuOTIM2ApkE%3Dreserved=0).
 I also didn't see anything in the physical planning or technical guides 
showing different BPR modules, only separate power cords. If this is not the 
case, please do let me know, as I would hate to fry my machine. If I do need 
three phase, i'll get a converter. Thanks for the info about fundamental 
software though. The flexcub looks exactly like what I am looking for if I can 
get my hands on one.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Harry Wahl 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 12:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
peripheral you could possibly use.

Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC Card 
that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and specific 
PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the peripherals 
you will need.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7C130801fe49164d8bdd8e08da40d41b05%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637893577046734414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=nsXcIPwi%2F59dU4OZ6zu2XXx4J9rI6oMX1TnAIGk4Hkg%3Dreserved=0
 go to FlexCub white paper.

Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
their P/390 group.

There are several other, similar vendors out there too.


One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must convert 
it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order three phase 
(different from dipole) service the electric company will charge "peak load 
usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee for the entire month, 
even if you use it only for a brief time. This is justified because whatever 
amount you use they still need to build the delivery capability for you highest 
demand.

I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power units. 
Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the power needs of 
a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you need, it will only cost 
$300-$400.

Good-Luck,
Harry

P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably close 
to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.

He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot about 
this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not ask

Re: my new z114

[Harry Wahl]

Enzo,

Do not plug that machine into public power without a licensed electrician 
looking at what you doing!

I am a NYS licensed PE and you are not only risking your machine (the least of 
your problems), but also a major fire, explosion, or even death. You will be 
held responsible for the inevitable damage you will be causing your local 
electrical grid.

The people on this list are sincerely trying to help you, but this level of 
electrical accommodation must be done by professionals. Home electrical work is 
one thing, three phase commercial power is another.

Good Luck,
Harry

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

Thanks for the info. From what I have read, the BPRs in all of the z114s are 
the same weather or not you are using three-phase or single phase. The only 
difference is the power cord that connects to them. I have a bare-ended power 
cord with the following leads: black, grey, brown, green. I also have the 
unbalanced (single) BPR configuration. I got this assumption from Connors 
Kurkowsy's talk, and from Christian Svensson's experiences 
(https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.mainframe.dev%2F2019%2F07%2Fpowering-mainframe.htmldata=05%7C01%7C%7C130801fe49164d8bdd8e08da40d41b05%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637893577046734414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=3y%2FgztZ4cqB2dwdK%2BSuSxQo%2Fp9AryKaOFuOTIM2ApkE%3Dreserved=0).
 I also didn't see anything in the physical planning or technical guides 
showing different BPR modules, only separate power cords. If this is not the 
case, please do let me know, as I would hate to fry my machine. If I do need 
three phase, i'll get a converter. Thanks for the info about fundamental 
software though. The flexcub looks exactly like what I am looking for if I can 
get my hands on one.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Harry Wahl 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 12:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
peripheral you could possibly use.

Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC Card 
that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and specific 
PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the peripherals 
you will need.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7C130801fe49164d8bdd8e08da40d41b05%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637893577046734414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=nsXcIPwi%2F59dU4OZ6zu2XXx4J9rI6oMX1TnAIGk4Hkg%3Dreserved=0
 go to FlexCub white paper.

Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
their P/390 group.

There are several other, similar vendors out there too.


One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must convert 
it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order three phase 
(different from dipole) service the electric company will charge "peak load 
usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee for the entire month, 
even if you use it only for a brief time. This is justified because whatever 
amount you use they still need to build the delivery capability for you highest 
demand.

I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power units. 
Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the power needs of 
a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you need, it will only cost 
$300-$400.

Good-Luck,
Harry

P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably close 
to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.

He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot about 
this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not asked him yet.

P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to get 
you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not open to 
the public.
Fundamental Software, 
Inc.<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funsoft.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7C130801fe49164d8bdd8e08da40d41b05%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637893577046734414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=nsXcIPwi%2F59dU4OZ6zu2XXx4J9rI6oMX1TnAIGk4Hkg%3Dreserved=0>
System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

This is kind of what I thought in terms of the power cable. I was wondering 
what the configuration was from the 4 connectors on the mainframe side of that 
cable with the 3 pins on the supply side. Would you know if the configuration 
of the BPRs would be the same regardless of the cable connected to it? Thanks 
for supplying the ebay link. I appreciate it.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Joe 
Monk 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

The IBM part # is 41U0111 for a single phase 240VAC cable for the z114.

Joe





On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 11:50 AM Harry Wahl  wrote:

> Enzo,
>
> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
>
> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC
> Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and
> specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the
> peripherals you will need.
>
> http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
>
> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically
> from their P/390 group.
>
> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>
>
> One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must
> convert it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order
> three phase (different from dipole) service the electric company will
> charge "peak load usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee
> for the entire month, even if you use it only for a brief time. This is
> justified because whatever amount you use they still need to build the
> delivery capability for you highest demand.
>
> I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power
> units. Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the
> power needs of a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you
> need, it will only cost $300-$400.
>
> Good-Luck,
> Harry
>
> P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably
> close to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.
>
> He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot
> about this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not
> asked him yet.
>
> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able
> to get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts
> not open to the public.
> Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
> System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
> www.funsoft.com
>
>
> ____________
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Enzo D'Amato 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
> idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
> use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
> way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
> also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
> wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
> phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
> information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
> that I don't fry my new machine.
>
> Thanks,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> many people here want to help.
>
> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> 40 GB
> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> STP
> CPACF
> 1 HMC Tower
> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>
> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > ___

Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

BTW, there is a cable on ebay...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125016972933?hash=item1d1b979e85:g:HM0AAOSwZSpdS7OC

Joe

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 1:36 PM Joe Monk  wrote:

> The IBM part # is 41U0111 for a single phase 240VAC cable for the z114.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 11:50 AM Harry Wahl 
> wrote:
>
>> Enzo,
>>
>> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
>> card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
>> of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
>>
>> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a
>> PC Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware
>> and specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all
>> the peripherals you will need.
>>
>> http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
>>
>> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically
>> from their P/390 group.
>>
>> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>>
>>
>> One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must
>> convert it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order
>> three phase (different from dipole) service the electric company will
>> charge "peak load usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee
>> for the entire month, even if you use it only for a brief time. This is
>> justified because whatever amount you use they still need to build the
>> delivery capability for you highest demand.
>>
>> I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power
>> units. Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the
>> power needs of a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you
>> need, it will only cost $300-$400.
>>
>> Good-Luck,
>> Harry
>>
>> P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably
>> close to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.
>>
>> He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot
>> about this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not
>> asked him yet.
>>
>> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able
>> to get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts
>> not open to the public.
>> Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
>> System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
>> www.funsoft.com
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
>> of Enzo D'Amato 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>> Subject: Re: my new z114
>>
>> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
>> idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
>> use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
>> way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
>> also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
>> wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
>> phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
>> information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
>> that I don't fry my new machine.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Enzo Damato
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
>> of Tom Brennan 
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: my new z114
>>
>> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
>> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
>> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
>> many people here want to help.
>>
>> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
>> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
>> 40 GB
>> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
>> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
>> STP
>> CPACF
>> 1 HMC Tower
>> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>>
>> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>> > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
>> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
>> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
>> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > E

Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

The IBM part # is 41U0111 for a single phase 240VAC cable for the z114.

Joe





On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 11:50 AM Harry Wahl  wrote:

> Enzo,
>
> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon
> card, will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type
> of z114 peripheral you could possibly use.
>
> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC
> Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and
> specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the
> peripherals you will need.
>
> http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
>
> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically
> from their P/390 group.
>
> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>
>
> One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must
> convert it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order
> three phase (different from dipole) service the electric company will
> charge "peak load usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee
> for the entire month, even if you use it only for a brief time. This is
> justified because whatever amount you use they still need to build the
> delivery capability for you highest demand.
>
> I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power
> units. Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the
> power needs of a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you
> need, it will only cost $300-$400.
>
> Good-Luck,
> Harry
>
> P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably
> close to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.
>
> He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot
> about this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not
> asked him yet.
>
> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able
> to get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts
> not open to the public.
> Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
> System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
> www.funsoft.com
>
>
> ____________
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Enzo D'Amato 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
> idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
> use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
> way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
> also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
> wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
> phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
> information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
> that I don't fry my new machine.
>
> Thanks,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> many people here want to help.
>
> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> 40 GB
> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> STP
> CPACF
> 1 HMC Tower
> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>
> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Tom Brennan 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> > home"

Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was 
originally configured for, an A01 in your case.  And since this machine 
was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even 
extend the contract.  Basically, this single restriction is probably why 
you were able to purchase the box for only $2K.


But your case is different.  I'm hoping someone at IBM will get 
involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and 
software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks 
who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware.


On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. Would 
it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would the 
machine lock this out once the contract expired.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:

https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png

The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
time and that 2015 list.

The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
config.txt listing.

In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.

What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.

On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
many people here want to help.

z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.

On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have

Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

https://gesrepair.com/convert-three-phase-single-phase/

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 6:01 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. From what I have read, the BPRs in all of the z114s are 
> the same weather or not you are using three-phase or single phase. The only 
> difference is the power cord that connects to them. I have a bare-ended power 
> cord with the following leads: black, grey, brown, green. I also have the 
> unbalanced (single) BPR configuration. I got this assumption from Connors 
> Kurkowsy's talk, and from Christian Svensson's experiences 
> (https://blog.mainframe.dev/2019/07/powering-mainframe.html). I also didn't 
> see anything in the physical planning or technical guides showing different 
> BPR modules, only separate power cords. If this is not the case, please do 
> let me know, as I would hate to fry my machine. If I do need three phase, 
> i'll get a converter. Thanks for the info about fundamental software though. 
> The flexcub looks exactly like what I am looking for if I can get my hands on 
> one.
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Harry Wahl 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 12:50 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Enzo,
>
> You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
> will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
> peripheral you could possibly use.
>
> Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC 
> Card that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and 
> specific PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the 
> peripherals you will need.
>
> http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.
>
> Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically 
> from their P/390 group.
>
> There are several other, similar vendors out there too.
>
>
> One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must 
> convert it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order 
> three phase (different from dipole) service the electric company will charge 
> "peak load usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee for the 
> entire month, even if you use it only for a brief time. This is justified 
> because whatever amount you use they still need to build the delivery 
> capability for you highest demand.
>
> I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power units. 
> Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the power needs 
> of a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you need, it will only 
> cost $300-$400.
>
> Good-Luck,
> Harry
>
> P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably 
> close to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.
>
> He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot about 
> this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not asked him 
> yet.
>
> P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to 
> get you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not 
> open to the public.
> Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
> System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
> www.funsoft.com
>
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Enzo D'Amato 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
> what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
> ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I 
> will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted 
> to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for 
> the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am 
> checking the technical and physical planning guides for this information, but 
> I would like to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my 
> new machine.
>
> Thanks,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it 

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. Would 
it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would the 
machine lock this out once the contract expired.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its
configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened
between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:

https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png

The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in
cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally
ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order
time and that 2015 list.

The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at
least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the
config.txt listing.

In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with
a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01
with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the
time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically
add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying
for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.

What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression
that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order
time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph
boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember
to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.

On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
> what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
> ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I 
> will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted 
> to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for 
> the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am 
> checking the technical and physical planning guides for this information, but 
> I would like to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my 
> new machine.
>
> Thanks,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> many people here want to help.
>
> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> 40 GB
> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> STP
> CPACF
> 1 HMC Tower
> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>
> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>> I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
>> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
>> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). 
>> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Enzo Damato
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> Tom Brennan 
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: my new z114
>>
>> Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
>> front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
>> sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
>> that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
>> home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
>> other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
>> sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
>>
>> On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>>> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
>>> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and 
>>> turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I 
>>> currently have in the box:
>>> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
>>> 2 2 p

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Thanks for the info. From what I have read, the BPRs in all of the z114s are 
the same weather or not you are using three-phase or single phase. The only 
difference is the power cord that connects to them. I have a bare-ended power 
cord with the following leads: black, grey, brown, green. I also have the 
unbalanced (single) BPR configuration. I got this assumption from Connors 
Kurkowsy's talk, and from Christian Svensson's experiences 
(https://blog.mainframe.dev/2019/07/powering-mainframe.html). I also didn't see 
anything in the physical planning or technical guides showing different BPR 
modules, only separate power cords. If this is not the case, please do let me 
know, as I would hate to fry my machine. If I do need three phase, i'll get a 
converter. Thanks for the info about fundamental software though. The flexcub 
looks exactly like what I am looking for if I can get my hands on one.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Harry Wahl 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 12:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
peripheral you could possibly use.

Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC Card 
that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and specific 
PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the peripherals 
you will need.

http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.

Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
their P/390 group.

There are several other, similar vendors out there too.


One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must convert 
it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order three phase 
(different from dipole) service the electric company will charge "peak load 
usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee for the entire month, 
even if you use it only for a brief time. This is justified because whatever 
amount you use they still need to build the delivery capability for you highest 
demand.

I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power units. 
Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the power needs of 
a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you need, it will only cost 
$300-$400.

Good-Luck,
Harry

P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably close 
to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.

He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot about 
this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not asked him yet.

P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to get 
you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not open to 
the public.
Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
www.funsoft.com



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
many people here want to help.

z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
> you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> _

Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its 
configuration to IBM as far as I can tell.  So a lot could have happened 
between then and now.  Here are a couple of files you may find useful:


https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt
https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png

The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in 
cards not ports) of each item reported.  This may be what was originally 
ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order 
time and that 2015 list.


The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at 
least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the 
config.txt listing.


In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with 
a CBU contract that expired in 2016.  That would explain why it's an A01 
with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the 
time).  The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically 
add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying 
for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box.


What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression 
that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order 
time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph 
boxes.  Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember 
to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows.


On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
many people here want to help.

z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.

On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have in 
terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn it 
on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have in 
the box:
2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)

I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on that 
front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on doing some 
experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have much 
experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be starting 
from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact wi

Re: my new z114

[Harry Wahl]

Enzo,

You may want to see if you can get a FlexCub which, with its PC Escon card, 
will connect your z114 to a PC based platform and emulate every type of z114 
peripheral you could possibly use.

Using standard Escon fiber cable, the z114 Escon connects directly to a PC Card 
that is a mainframe channel adapter. Between the card's firmware and specific 
PC programs in the one PC box you will be able to emulate all the peripherals 
you will need.

http://www.funsoft.com go to FlexCub white paper.

Fundamental Software, a.k.a. Funsoft, was spun off from IBM, specifically from 
their P/390 group.

There are several other, similar vendors out there too.


One other, unrelated word of advice, if your z114 is 3-phase, you must convert 
it to single phase. In the specific town you live in, if you order three phase 
(different from dipole) service the electric company will charge "peak load 
usage" where they will charge you your highest usage fee for the entire month, 
even if you use it only for a brief time. This is justified because whatever 
amount you use they still need to build the delivery capability for you highest 
demand.

I think it will be cost prohibitive to replace the z114 internal power units. 
Instead, get a single phase to 3-phase power converter. For the power needs of 
a z114, if you shop around, for the amount of power you need, it will only cost 
$300-$400.

Good-Luck,
Harry

P.S. There is an ex-IBM CE living in Mamaroneck, N.Y. which is reasonably close 
to where you live: about a 2 hour drive...115 miles up the Taconic.

He maintains a huge museum of old IBM hardware and really knows a lot about 
this. He may be able to help, but I cannot promise as I have not asked him yet.

P.S.S. Also, as a professor at Columbia University in NYC, I may be able to get 
you access to Columbia's museum of IBM history, including the parts not open to 
the public.
Fundamental Software, Inc.<http://www.funsoft.com/>
System/390 on Intel-Based Servers
www.funsoft.com



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:28 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
many people here want to help.

z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
> you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
>
> On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
>> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
>> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
>> in the box:
>> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
>> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet c

Re: my new z114

[Doug]

And BTW, as a former electrician journeyman, if you don't know this, one 
would think it might not be a good idea for you to be hooking this stuff 
up.


Doug

-- Original Message --
From: "Doug" 
To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Sent: 28-May-22 12:47:03
Subject: Re: my new z114


Neutral to Hot = 120V
Hot to Hot = 220V

Neutral to any one of the Three 3-Phase Hot legs = 120V
Any 3 Phase Hot to any other 3-Phase hot  = 220V
But in 3-Phase cases, fans may run backwards, or there may be some other 
anomalies.
Have to mind your phases depending on the hardware.

Doug Fuerst

-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Schwab" 
To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Sent: 28-May-22 12:36:52
Subject: Re: my new z114


When Connor hooked up his z890, he hooked up Hot to one wire, neutral
to another wire, and left the third wire alone.  Works as long as the
load is not too high (few drawers, I/O cards).

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:54 PM Joe Monk  wrote:


 I also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single
 phase wiring for the power cable...

 You need the right power cable!!!

 The connections are in the z114 redbook.

 Joe

 On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM Enzo D'Amato 
 wrote:

 > This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
 > idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
 > use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
 > way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
 > also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
 > wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
 > phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
 > information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
 > that I don't fry my new machine.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Enzo Damato
 > 
 > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
 > of Tom Brennan 
 > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 > Subject: Re: my new z114
 >
 > I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
 > match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
 > Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
 > many people here want to help.
 >
 > z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
 > 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
 > 40 GB
 > 18 ports FICON 8S SX
 > 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
 > STP
 > CPACF
 > 1 HMC Tower
 > 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
 >
 > On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
 > > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
 > relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
 > blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
 > If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
 > >
 > > Thank you,
 > > Enzo Damato
 > > 
 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
 > behalf of Tom Brennan 
 > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 > > Subject: Re: my new z114
 > >
 > > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
 > > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
 > > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
 > > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
 > > home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
 > > other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
 > > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
 > >
 > > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
 > >> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I
 > have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power
 > and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I
 > currently have in the box:
 > >> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
 > >> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
 > >> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
 > >> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
 > >>
 > >> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA
 > adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE,
 > and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to
 > my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am
 > currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I
 > make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be
 > able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As H

Re: my new z114

[Doug]

Neutral to Hot = 120V
Hot to Hot = 220V

Neutral to any one of the Three 3-Phase Hot legs = 120V
Any 3 Phase Hot to any other 3-Phase hot  = 220V
But in 3-Phase cases, fans may run backwards, or there may be some other 
anomalies.

Have to mind your phases depending on the hardware.

Doug Fuerst

-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Schwab" 
To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Sent: 28-May-22 12:36:52
Subject: Re: my new z114


When Connor hooked up his z890, he hooked up Hot to one wire, neutral
to another wire, and left the third wire alone.  Works as long as the
load is not too high (few drawers, I/O cards).

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:54 PM Joe Monk  wrote:


 I also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single
 phase wiring for the power cable...

 You need the right power cable!!!

 The connections are in the z114 redbook.

 Joe

 On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM Enzo D'Amato 
 wrote:

 > This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
 > idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
 > use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
 > way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
 > also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
 > wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
 > phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
 > information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
 > that I don't fry my new machine.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Enzo Damato
 > 
 > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
 > of Tom Brennan 
 > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 > Subject: Re: my new z114
 >
 > I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
 > match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
 > Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
 > many people here want to help.
 >
 > z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
 > 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
 > 40 GB
 > 18 ports FICON 8S SX
 > 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
 > STP
 > CPACF
 > 1 HMC Tower
 > 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
 >
 > On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
 > > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
 > relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
 > blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
 > If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
 > >
 > > Thank you,
 > > Enzo Damato
 > > 
 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
 > behalf of Tom Brennan 
 > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 > > Subject: Re: my new z114
 > >
 > > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
 > > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
 > > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
 > > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
 > > home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
 > > other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
 > > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
 > >
 > > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
 > >> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I
 > have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power
 > and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I
 > currently have in the box:
 > >> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
 > >> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
 > >> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
 > >> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
 > >>
 > >> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA
 > adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE,
 > and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to
 > my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am
 > currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I
 > make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be
 > able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry
 > recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on
 > the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal
 > programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I
 > would like to get in contact with som

Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

When Connor hooked up his z890, he hooked up Hot to one wire, neutral
to another wire, and left the third wire alone.  Works as long as the
load is not too high (few drawers, I/O cards).

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:54 PM Joe Monk  wrote:
>
> I also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single
> phase wiring for the power cable...
>
> You need the right power cable!!!
>
> The connections are in the z114 redbook.
>
> Joe
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM Enzo D'Amato 
> wrote:
>
> > This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
> > idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
> > use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
> > way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
> > also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
> > wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
> > phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
> > information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
> > that I don't fry my new machine.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> > of Tom Brennan 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> > match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> > Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> > many people here want to help.
> >
> > z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> > 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> > 40 GB
> > 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> > 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> > STP
> > CPACF
> > 1 HMC Tower
> > 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
> >
> > On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
> > relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
> > blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
> > If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Enzo Damato
> > > 
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> > behalf of Tom Brennan 
> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: my new z114
> > >
> > > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> > > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> > > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> > > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> > > home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> > > other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> > > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
> > >
> > > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > >> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I
> > have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power
> > and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I
> > currently have in the box:
> > >> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> > >> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> > >> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> > >> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
> > >>
> > >> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA
> > adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE,
> > and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to
> > my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am
> > currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I
> > make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be
> > able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry
> > recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on
> > the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal
> > programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I
> > would like to get in contact with someone about getting software
> > disks/licences for my machine. I know that y

Re: my new z114

[Robin Vowels]

On 2022-05-29 01:53, Joe Monk wrote:

I also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single
phase wiring for the power cable...


What?  Usually a transformer is required.
Three phase requires three wires.
If a neutral is available, a load can be
connected between the neutral and one of the
wires of the three phase cable.
Be aware that the voltages between the wires of the
three phase cable are high, and can be lethal.


You need the right power cable!!!

The connections are in the z114 redbook.

Joe

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM Enzo D'Amato 


wrote:

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have 
no
idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will 
not
use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. 
Either
way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. 
I
also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single 
phase

wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for 
this
information, but I would like to independently verify this information 
so

that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato


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Re: my new z114

[Joe Monk]

I also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single
phase wiring for the power cable...

You need the right power cable!!!

The connections are in the z114 redbook.

Joe

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM Enzo D'Amato 
wrote:

> This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no
> idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not
> use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either
> way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I
> also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase
> wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single
> phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this
> information, but I would like to independently verify this information so
> that I don't fry my new machine.
>
> Thanks,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> many people here want to help.
>
> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> 40 GB
> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> STP
> CPACF
> 1 HMC Tower
> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>
> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Tom Brennan 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> > home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> > other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
> >
> > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> >> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I
> have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power
> and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I
> currently have in the box:
> >> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> >> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> >> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> >> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
> >>
> >> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA
> adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE,
> and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to
> my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am
> currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I
> make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be
> able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry
> recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on
> the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal
> programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I
> would like to get in contact with someone about getting software
> disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it would be a
> special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but considering
> the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to look into
> what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not
> completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know anyone
> who I should reach out to, please let me know.
> >>
> >> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20
> minutes from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my
> calendar to see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have
> finals that week. I will

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no idea 
what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use 18 
ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I will 
ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted to ask 
if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for the power 
cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am checking the 
technical and physical planning guides for this information, but I would like 
to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my new machine.

Thanks,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
many people here want to help.

z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
> you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
>
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
>
> On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
>> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
>> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
>> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
>> in the box:
>> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
>> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
>> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
>> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
>>
>> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
>> require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I 
>> wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core 
>> switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am 
>> currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make 
>> any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to 
>> get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do 
>> plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I 
>> don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would 
>> really be starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in 
>> contact with someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I 
>> know that you said that it would be a special order as the software is 
>> withdrawn from marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt 
>> to ask. I would also like to look into what would be involved in getting a 
>> LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the 
>> end of this year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let 
>> me know.
>>
>> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
>> from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to 
>> see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that 
>> week. I will have to check).
>>
>> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the 
>> system set up.
>> Thank you,
>> Enzo Damato
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> Timothy Sipples 
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: my new z114
>>
>> Enzo,
&

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Interesting. I had seen this a while ago. I wonder if it would be possible to 
run this on z/VM and then pass that through to the z/OS images. Either way, 
this looks quite interesting. Thank you for sharing.

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Wayne Bickerdike 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 7:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

One partial solution to CKD might be MFNETDISK. You would need some real
CKD to get z/OS up and running.

Not sure what the current status of MFNETDISK is, however, I know a few
years back Fundi (Now Rocket) were using MFNETDISK to offload lots of their
SMF and test data and it apparently worked well.

Dave Crayford may be able to chip in here.

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 4:18 AM Tom Brennan 
wrote:

> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> many people here want to help.
>
> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> 40 GB
> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> STP
> CPACF
> 1 HMC Tower
> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>
> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Tom Brennan 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> > home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> > other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
> >
> > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> >> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I
> have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power
> and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I
> currently have in the box:
> >> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> >> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> >> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> >> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
> >>
> >> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA
> adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE,
> and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to
> my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am
> currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I
> make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be
> able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry
> recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on
> the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal
> programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I
> would like to get in contact with someone about getting software
> disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it would be a
> special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but considering
> the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to look into
> what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not
> completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know anyone
> who I should reach out to, please let me know.
> >>
> >> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20
> minutes from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my
> calendar to see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have
> finals that week. I will have to check).
> >>
> >> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting
> the system set up.
> >> Thank you,
> >> Enzo Damato
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Timothy Sipples 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> &

Re: my new z114

[Wayne Bickerdike]

One partial solution to CKD might be MFNETDISK. You would need some real
CKD to get z/OS up and running.

Not sure what the current status of MFNETDISK is, however, I know a few
years back Fundi (Now Rocket) were using MFNETDISK to offload lots of their
SMF and test data and it apparently worked well.

Dave Crayford may be able to chip in here.

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 4:18 AM Tom Brennan 
wrote:

> I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to
> match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else.
> Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since
> many people here want to help.
>
> z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
> 26 MIPS, 3 MSU
> 40 GB
> 18 ports FICON 8S SX
> 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
> STP
> CPACF
> 1 HMC Tower
> 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line
>
> On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a
> relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have
> blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler).
> If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Tom Brennan 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
> > front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
> > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
> > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
> > home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
> > other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
> > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.
> >
> > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> >> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I
> have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power
> and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I
> currently have in the box:
> >> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> >> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> >> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> >> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
> >>
> >> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA
> adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE,
> and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to
> my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am
> currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I
> make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be
> able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry
> recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on
> the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal
> programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I
> would like to get in contact with someone about getting software
> disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it would be a
> special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but considering
> the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to look into
> what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not
> completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know anyone
> who I should reach out to, please let me know.
> >>
> >> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20
> minutes from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my
> calendar to see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have
> finals that week. I will have to check).
> >>
> >> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting
> the system set up.
> >> Thank you,
> >> Enzo Damato
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of Timothy Sipples 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: my new z114
> >>
> >> Enzo,
> >>
> >> Congratulations on your acquisition!
> >>
> >> I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be
> either 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the
> capacity model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (i

Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to 
match what you reported.  So it could be I'm looking at something else. 
Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since 
many people here want to help.


z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7
26 MIPS, 3 MSU
40 GB
18 ports FICON 8S SX
8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T
STP
CPACF
1 HMC Tower
2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line

On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.

On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have in 
terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn it 
on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have in 
the box:
2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)

I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on that 
front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on doing some 
experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have much 
experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be starting 
from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with someone about 
getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it 
would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but 
considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to 
look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 
is not completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know 
anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.

I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes from 
the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see if I 
can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I will 
have to check).

I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the system 
set up.
Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Timothy 
Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. Th

Re: my new z114

[P H]

Enzo,

There is 99% chance that all the required code for the I/O and Crypto features 
is on the system. When do a POR (power on reset), the code will be loaded from 
the SE.

The reason I say 99% is that the 'code' for Crypto is a separate orderable NO 
charge feature. There is a possibility the original owner might not have 
'ordered' this free feature.  Before you ask the reason: Crypto code for all z 
Systems is 'controlled' to make sure unauthorised countries don't get it 

In your list of I/O features you don't mention if you have the Crypto Express 
feature. This is installed in the I/O or PCIe Drawer. Even if you don't have 
this feature, the CPACF function is std on the processor chip.

If you haven't done it yet, get the z114 Technical Guide Redbook:

https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247954.html
[https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/images/thumbs/sg24-7954-00_x2.jpg]<https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247954.html>
IBM zEnterprise 114 Technical Guide | IBM 
Redbooks<https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247954.html>
Table of contents. Chapter 1. Introducing the IBM zEnterprise 114 Chapter 2. 
Central processor complex hardware components Chapter 3. Central processor 
complex system design
www.redbooks.ibm.com


Regards

Parwez Hamid​

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Enzo D'Amato 
Sent: 27 May 2022 15:43
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have in 
terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn it 
on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have in 
the box:
2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)

I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on that 
front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on doing some 
experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have much 
experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be starting 
from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with someone about 
getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it 
would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but 
considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to 
look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 
is not completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know 
anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.

I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes from 
the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see if I 
can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I will 
have to check).

I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the system 
set up.
Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Timothy Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainfram

Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

I wrote some bare-metal code back in the early 1990's to basically 
attempt to do what zzsa and that stand-alone-edit product does.  I 
stopped working on it when SAE came out but still have the old code 
somewhere.  Not for the meek, and I'm pretty meek.  It was at the edge 
of my capability.


I'd recommend starting with zzsa, SA DFDSS, and maybe KVM or Linux to 
start the machine running, and leave bare-metal coding for much later.


On 5/27/2022 9:03 AM, Charles Mills wrote:

I'm not an expert at this at all so take what I say with a grain of salt. I 
just happened to have two (uninformed?) thoughts:

1. If Enzo wanted to write some bare metal code (which I think is a great idea) 
-- are there any examples anyone can point him to? Is there any IPL-able code 
on the CBT tape or other more-or-less public source that would serve as an 
example?

2. A cross-assembler or an assembler running on Hercules would seem to me to be 
useful and necessary to the effort. (Perhaps that is so obvious as to not be 
worth saying.)

I am trying to picture how nowadays one gets from classic object code to something one 
could IPL. The last time I IPL'ed something that was not a disk-based operating system it 
was a standalone dump on either cards or tape. I seem to recall there was some sort of a 
"link editor" that would produce an IPL-able image but I do not recall what it 
was.

Actually, I have not IPL'ed a box at all since I owned a P/390. What media will 
a z114 IPL from, other than DASD?

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.

As far as bare metal programming Hercules emulator on your PC might be
easier to write and debug with before putting on actual hardware.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:


Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have in 
terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn it 
on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have in 
the box:
2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)

I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on that 
front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on doing some 
experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have much 
experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be starting 
from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with someone about 
getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it 
would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but 
considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to 
look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 
is not completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know 
anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.

I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes from 
the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see if I 
can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I will 
have to check).

I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the system 
set up.
Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Timothy 
Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so t

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

You would be correct on this. My switch is fibre only for the 10gig. I got it 
at a surplus auction a few years ago. I can connect it to the standard 1 gig 
copper links, but I wanted to maximize my speed if possible.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato
On May 27, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Grant Taylor 
<023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
 wrote:

On 5/27/22 11:01 AM, Joe Monk wrote:
 They do make 10 gig. Copper SFPs...

I assume that you mean copper RJ45s.  Yep.  I've seen and used them.

I've also seen and used copper Direct Attached Cables where the SFP+,
intermediate cable, and SFP+ are one fixed unit.

This is why I said "vast majority".  ;-)



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Re: my new z114

[Dave Jones]

Enzo, this might be a good place to start to learn about bare-metal programming.
http://www.txxos.com/
Good luck to you as well.
DJ

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[Grant Taylor]

On 5/27/22 11:01 AM, Joe Monk wrote:

They do make 10 gig. Copper SFPs...


I assume that you mean copper RJ45s.  Yep.  I've seen and used them.

I've also seen and used copper Direct Attached Cables where the SFP+, 
intermediate cable, and SFP+ are one fixed unit.


This is why I said "vast majority".  ;-)



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[Joe Monk]

They do make 10 gig. Copper SFPs...

Joe

On Fri, May 27, 2022, 11:51 Grant Taylor <
023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On 5/27/22 9:41 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.
>
> I've run into more than a little network hardware that is only one
> speed.  Especially if it's an early example from a generation.
>
> Also, the vast majority of the 10GBase-T network equipment that I've
> seen is fiber.  So RJ45 won't /directly/ connect with fiber.  Though
> perhaps an in-line media converter would suffice.
>
>
>
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[Grant Taylor]

On 5/27/22 9:41 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:

The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.


I've run into more than a little network hardware that is only one 
speed.  Especially if it's an early example from a generation.


Also, the vast majority of the 10GBase-T network equipment that I've 
seen is fiber.  So RJ45 won't /directly/ connect with fiber.  Though 
perhaps an in-line media converter would suffice.




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Re: my new z114

[Grant Taylor]

On 5/27/22 8:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted to put one of those 
cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, but I don't 
want to order one if it will not activate.


Impressive.

I am currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update 
you if I make any headway on that front.


Is there any way for one mainframe to export storage to another 
mainframe as something more than NFS?  E.g. could a zD provide CKD 
storage to another CEC?


I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up.
I have no idea what it's capability is, but I've used a virtual tape 
package, I think it was named "MVT", for Open Systems.  Maybe it could 
be made to do something for you.


I would like to get in contact with someone about getting software 
disks/licences for my machine.


I wonder how flexible zD licensing might be.  Could zD's 
/licensed/ software run on your z114 /legally/?  --  I have no doubt 
that it's /technically/ /possible/ to do so.




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Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

There was a "count number of random numbers" between 1 and 1M with
hercules and stand alone code.  Normally you would create a memory
image and use ICKDSF to put it on a volume in the IPLTEXT.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 4:04 PM Charles Mills  wrote:
>
> I'm not an expert at this at all so take what I say with a grain of salt. I 
> just happened to have two (uninformed?) thoughts:
>
> 1. If Enzo wanted to write some bare metal code (which I think is a great 
> idea) -- are there any examples anyone can point him to? Is there any 
> IPL-able code on the CBT tape or other more-or-less public source that would 
> serve as an example?
>
> 2. A cross-assembler or an assembler running on Hercules would seem to me to 
> be useful and necessary to the effort. (Perhaps that is so obvious as to not 
> be worth saying.)
>
> I am trying to picture how nowadays one gets from classic object code to 
> something one could IPL. The last time I IPL'ed something that was not a 
> disk-based operating system it was a standalone dump on either cards or tape. 
> I seem to recall there was some sort of a "link editor" that would produce an 
> IPL-able image but I do not recall what it was.
>
> Actually, I have not IPL'ed a box at all since I owned a P/390. What media 
> will a z114 IPL from, other than DASD?
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Schwab
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:41 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.
>
> As far as bare metal programming Hercules emulator on your PC might be
> easier to write and debug with before putting on actual hardware.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Enzo D'Amato  
> wrote:
> >
> > Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
> > in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and 
> > turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I 
> > currently have in the box:
> > 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> > 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> > 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> > 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
> >
> > I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
> > require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I 
> > wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core 
> > switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am 
> > currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I 
> > make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be 
> > able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry 
> > recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on 
> > the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal 
> > programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I 
> > would like to get in contact with someone about getting software 
> > disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it would be a 
> > special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but considering 
> > the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to look into 
> > what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not 
> > completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know anyone 
> > who I should reach out to, please let me know.
> >
> > I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
> > from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to 
> > see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that 
> > week. I will have to check).
> >
> > I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the 
> > system set up.
> > Thank you,
> > Enzo Damato
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> > Timothy Sipples 
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: my new z114
> >
> > Enzo,
> >
> > Congratulations on your acquisition!
> >
> > I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
> > 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity 
> > model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and 
> > memory configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 
> > 0, and a num

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a 
relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have 
blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If 
you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it.

Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the
front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not
sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data
that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call
home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and
other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good
sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.

On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
> in the box:
> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
>
> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
> require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
> to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
> but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
> on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on 
> that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some 
> mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on 
> doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have 
> much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be 
> starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with 
> someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you 
> said that it would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from 
> marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would 
> also like to look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity 
> upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the end of this 
> year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.
>
> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
> from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see 
> if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I 
> will have to check).
>
> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the 
> system set up.
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Timothy Sipples 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Enzo,
>
> Congratulations on your acquisition!
>
> I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
> 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity 
> model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and 
> memory configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, 
> and a number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d 
> mean no general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won 
> this lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have 
> you figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?
>
> As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features 
> you might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify 
> the physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
> electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
> -M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.
>
> I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.
>
> I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There 
> are bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
> Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
> 6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
> Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient

Re: my new z114

[Charles Mills]

I'm not an expert at this at all so take what I say with a grain of salt. I 
just happened to have two (uninformed?) thoughts:

1. If Enzo wanted to write some bare metal code (which I think is a great idea) 
-- are there any examples anyone can point him to? Is there any IPL-able code 
on the CBT tape or other more-or-less public source that would serve as an 
example?

2. A cross-assembler or an assembler running on Hercules would seem to me to be 
useful and necessary to the effort. (Perhaps that is so obvious as to not be 
worth saying.)

I am trying to picture how nowadays one gets from classic object code to 
something one could IPL. The last time I IPL'ed something that was not a 
disk-based operating system it was a standalone dump on either cards or tape. I 
seem to recall there was some sort of a "link editor" that would produce an 
IPL-able image but I do not recall what it was.

Actually, I have not IPL'ed a box at all since I owned a P/390. What media will 
a z114 IPL from, other than DASD?

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.

As far as bare metal programming Hercules emulator on your PC might be
easier to write and debug with before putting on actual hardware.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:
>
> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
> in the box:
> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
>
> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
> require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
> to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
> but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
> on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on 
> that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some 
> mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on 
> doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have 
> much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be 
> starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with 
> someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you 
> said that it would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from 
> marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would 
> also like to look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity 
> upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the end of this 
> year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.
>
> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
> from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see 
> if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I 
> will have to check).
>
> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the 
> system set up.
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Timothy Sipples 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Enzo,
>
> Congratulations on your acquisition!
>
> I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
> 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity 
> model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and 
> memory configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, 
> and a number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d 
> mean no general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won 
> this lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have 
> you figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?
>
> As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features 
> you might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify 
> the physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
> electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
> -M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.
>

Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

Do you know the serial number?  It's typically on a small label on the 
front door.  With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not 
sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data 
that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call 
home" network.  That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and 
other items.  And if that data matches your card count, that's a good 
sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box.


On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have in 
terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn it 
on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have in 
the box:
2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)

I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on that 
front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on doing some 
experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have much 
experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be starting 
from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with someone about 
getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it 
would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but 
considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to 
look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 
is not completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know 
anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.

I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes from 
the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see if I 
can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I will 
have to check).

I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the system 
set up.
Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Timothy 
Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.

https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022

Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage (technically, 
leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. Possibly also 
MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I think you can 
start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually having any attached 
storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.

Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. (z/TPF 
is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. I 
believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)

There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 
operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan 
Jaeger’s ZZSA are two goo

Re: my new z114

[Mike Schwab]

The RJ45 Ethernet should plug into your network just fine.

As far as bare metal programming Hercules emulator on your PC might be
easier to write and debug with before putting on actual hardware.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Enzo D'Amato  wrote:
>
> Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have 
> in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn 
> it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have 
> in the box:
> 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
> 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
> 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
> 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)
>
> I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
> require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
> to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
> but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
> on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on 
> that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some 
> mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on 
> doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have 
> much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be 
> starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with 
> someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you 
> said that it would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from 
> marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would 
> also like to look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity 
> upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the end of this 
> year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.
>
> I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes 
> from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see 
> if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I 
> will have to check).
>
> I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the 
> system set up.
> Thank you,
> Enzo Damato
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Timothy Sipples 
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: my new z114
>
> Enzo,
>
> Congratulations on your acquisition!
>
> I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
> 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity 
> model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and 
> memory configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, 
> and a number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d 
> mean no general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won 
> this lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have 
> you figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?
>
> As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features 
> you might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify 
> the physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
> electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
> -M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.
>
> I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.
>
> I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There 
> are bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
> Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
> 6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
> Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.
>
> https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022
>
> Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage 
> (technically, leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. 
> Possibly also MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I 
> think you can start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually 
> having any attached storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.
>
> Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. 
> (z/TPF is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. 
> I believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)
>
> There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 

Re: my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have in 
terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn it 
on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have in 
the box:
2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie)
2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie)
1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer)
2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer)

I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters 
require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted 
to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, 
but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working 
on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on that 
front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some mainframe 
attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on doing some 
experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have much 
experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be starting 
from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with someone about 
getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it 
would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but 
considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to 
look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 
is not completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know 
anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know.

I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes from 
the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see if I 
can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I will 
have to check).

I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the system 
set up.
Thank you,
Enzo Damato

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Timothy Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.

https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022

Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage (technically, 
leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. Possibly also 
MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I think you can 
start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually having any attached 
storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.

Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. (z/TPF 
is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. I 
believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)

There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 
operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan 
Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples.

Good luck, and please keep us posted.

— — — — —
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
sipp...@sg.ibm.com


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Re: my new z114

[Harry Wahl]

Enzo,

If you really want to do something outstanding (i.e. impress a university 
admissions committee), that doesn't require any hardware or operating system 
software beyond the z114, consider writing code that runs "on metal." This is 
commonly done in engineering for architectures such as ARM.

You can easily create a CD or DVD on a PC and then IPL it from the HMC. The 
process of doing this will be much more doable than trying to learn the z114 
hardware and any operating system at the same time; in which case learning any 
operating system will eclipse learning the z114. Once you  know the z114 
architecture, learning operating systems will be much easier; or you could go 
the route of creating new ways to exploit the z114 hardware and architecture, 
if you really want to do something amazing.

If you learn the hardware first, then the operating system software, your 
learning curve will be more reasonable and your exploration more unique, 
original, and result in you truly "groking" mainframes.

Writing an IPLable CD/DVD is well documented and if you have your own z114 
really easy. This is kind of access is very rare for production mainframe 
people.

If you need more information on creating an IPLable CD/DVD and how to use the 
HMC to IPL it, let me know.

Once you are able to create a CD/DVD that IPLs, you can iteratively expand its 
functionality to explore more and more of the Z architecture beyond anything 
any operating system that runs on a z114 would allow you to do.

Good Luck,
Harry

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Timothy Sipples 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fecc.marist.edu%2Fweb%2Fconference2022data=05%7C01%7C%7C62c78232232849cd393608da3fc85ef8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637892427213813325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=3YU65%2BS2g1zn4WWT39INOz%2BXk7jHTO5Kf6kxpkf9bQw%3Dreserved=0

Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage (technically, 
leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. Possibly also 
MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I think you can 
start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually having any attached 
storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.

Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. (z/TPF 
is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. I 
believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)

There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 
operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan 
Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples.

Good luck, and please keep us posted.

— — — — —
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
sipp...@sg.ibm.com


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Re: my new z114

[P H]

The picture suggests it's a 2818-M05. Where the 2nd CPC drawer (Making it a 
M10) is supposed be, it has 'blanking plates'.

Regards

Parwez Hamid​

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Timothy Sipples 
Sent: 27 May 2022 11:04
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: my new z114

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.

https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022

Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage (technically, 
leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. Possibly also 
MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I think you can 
start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually having any attached 
storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.

Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. (z/TPF 
is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. I 
believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)

There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 
operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan 
Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples.

Good luck, and please keep us posted.

— — — — —
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
sipp...@sg.ibm.com


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Re: my new z114

[Dave Jones]

Hi, Timothy.
Yes, 21st Century Software will be presenting at the VM Workshop.
DJ

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Re: my new z114

[Timothy Sipples]

Enzo,

Congratulations on your acquisition!

I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either 
2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity model, 
number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and memory 
configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, and a 
number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d mean no 
general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this 
lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you 
figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots?

As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features you 
might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify the 
physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce 
electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a 
-M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point.

I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters.

I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There are 
bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century 
Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn 
6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at 
Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient.

https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022

Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage (technically, 
leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. Possibly also 
MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I think you can 
start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually having any attached 
storage, but then you can’t do that much with it.

Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. (z/TPF 
is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. I 
believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.)

There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider 
operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan 
Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples.

Good luck, and please keep us posted.

— — — — —
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
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Re: my new z114

[Ronald Wells]

Also Marist Col. Have good info

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Hi, Enzo.
First, welcome to the wonderful world of IBM mainframes. I think you will find 
them fascinating as you discover their features and capabilities.
Since you appear to be somewhere in New York State, I would suggest that you 
attempt to attend the upcoming z/VM Workshop to be held at Binghamton 
University in Binghamton, New York on June 16-18. z/VM is IBM's premier 
mainframe hypervisor operating system that can support very large number of 
guests, including Linux and it will run on your new z114. The cost of 
registration for students is very low, only $10. You will need however to have 
a parent accompany you because of your age.
For more details, check out their web site:
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vmworkshop.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C1f65fe4151e14e0afd1b08da3f2dd826%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637891763405330500%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gHiXyBHZNoTEdx64FNkn%2Fw7JymttknbovpH8sNI8R38%3Dreserved=0
Best of luck to you and please keep us informed as to you progress.
Take care.
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Re: my new z114

[Dave Jones]

What Jay said. Yes, you can run z/VM on a z114 with only FBA devices (I know of 
a z114 in Sweden being run that way), but it can not emulate CKD devices. If 
you want to run MVS. or z/OS, either in an LPAR or as a guest of z/VM, you will 
need CKD dasd someplace. 
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[Dave Jones]

Hi, Enzo.
First, welcome to the wonderful world of IBM mainframes. I think you will find 
them fascinating as you discover their features and capabilities.
Since you appear to be somewhere in New York State, I would suggest that you 
attempt to attend the upcoming z/VM Workshop to be held at Binghamton 
University in Binghamton, New York on June 16-18. z/VM is IBM's premier 
mainframe hypervisor operating system that can support very large number of 
guests, including Linux and it will run on your new z114. The cost of 
registration for students is very low, only $10. You will need however to have 
a parent accompany you because of your age.
For more details, check out their web site:
http://www.vmworkshop.org/
Best of luck to you and please keep us informed as to you progress.
Take care.
DJ

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Re: my new z114

[Jay Maynard]

z/VM can run just fine on FBA, but it can't simulate CKD on it.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:20 AM Tom Brennan 
wrote:

> Sounds good!  There's a datacenter in Utah I work with every once in a
> while where we sent a used DS8870 with 3-phase power, maybe 4 months
> ago.  From what I heard it can't be used because it's too difficult or
> expensive for them to install 3-phase.  I emailed our group about it
> when I saw your reddit, but it might be a while before (and if) I get a
> reply.  But now that I think about it, you would have the same 3-phase
> issue.
>
> And unfortunately, individual disks are sometimes pulled out at
> decommission time and sent to the crusher for security.  That happened
> to a perfectly good DS8880 I saw here in California last year.
>
> A question for the z/VM folks here:  Doesn't z/VM run with fixed-block
> disks, and can it simulate CKD on those disks to run z/OS?  Or am I
> crazy to remember that from my limited VM exposure in the 80's?
>
> On 5/26/2022 4:21 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> > I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share
> some more information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a
> high school junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have
> been in the process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen
> my other post about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally
> arrived. If you want to see some pictures of the machine please do check
> out my reddit post here:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/uxsbef/my_new_z114/? At the
> time of writing, I have not powered up the machine yet, as I still have to
> run and connect the power to my 220v supply. The HMC for my machine is also
> still in the mail, and I am expecting it sometime this weekend, or early
> next week. My main plan for the machine is to use it to learn everything
> there is to know about the platform, and learn the skills that I would need
> for a career in mainframe early. I am also trying to get into MIT, and
> having a unique accomplishment like this on your transcript can be a big
> help in that regard. Currently, I have a FC SAN for FBA storage, but I am
> still looking for CKD capable storage. My parents have allowed me to take
> up to three racks, so if you know of anyone trying to get rid of some, no
> matter how old it is, I will pay shipping to me. I expect to be posting
> alot more here as I deal with the myriad chalanges involved with getting
> the machine set up. If you have any questions you would like to ask, please
> feel free to do so. I will do my best to reply thoughout the day.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Enzo Damato
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Re: my new z114

[Tom Brennan]

Sounds good!  There's a datacenter in Utah I work with every once in a 
while where we sent a used DS8870 with 3-phase power, maybe 4 months 
ago.  From what I heard it can't be used because it's too difficult or 
expensive for them to install 3-phase.  I emailed our group about it 
when I saw your reddit, but it might be a while before (and if) I get a 
reply.  But now that I think about it, you would have the same 3-phase 
issue.


And unfortunately, individual disks are sometimes pulled out at 
decommission time and sent to the crusher for security.  That happened 
to a perfectly good DS8880 I saw here in California last year.


A question for the z/VM folks here:  Doesn't z/VM run with fixed-block 
disks, and can it simulate CKD on those disks to run z/OS?  Or am I 
crazy to remember that from my limited VM exposure in the 80's?


On 5/26/2022 4:21 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote:

I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share some more 
information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a high school 
junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have been in the 
process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen my other post 
about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally arrived. If you 
want to see some pictures of the machine please do check out my reddit post 
here: https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/uxsbef/my_new_z114/? At the 
time of writing, I have not powered up the machine yet, as I still have to run 
and connect the power to my 220v supply. The HMC for my machine is also still 
in the mail, and I am expecting it sometime this weekend, or early next week. 
My main plan for the machine is to use it to learn everything there is to know 
about the platform, and learn the skills that I would need for a career in 
mainframe early. I am also trying to get into MIT, and having a unique 
accomplishment like this on your transcript can be a big help in that regard. 
Currently, I have a FC SAN for FBA storage, but I am still looking for CKD 
capable storage. My parents have allowed me to take up to three racks, so if 
you know of anyone trying to get rid of some, no matter how old it is, I will 
pay shipping to me. I expect to be posting alot more here as I deal with the 
myriad chalanges involved with getting the machine set up. If you have any 
questions you would like to ask, please feel free to do so. I will do my best 
to reply thoughout the day.


Thank you,

Enzo Damato

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my new z114

[Enzo D'Amato]

I saw that Timothy Siples already posted this, but I wanted to share some more 
information about my new system, and my setup. I am currently a high school 
junior located in New York. For the last month or so, I have been in the 
process of acquiring a used z114 mainframe (you may have seen my other post 
about dasd for the machine). Yesterday, the machine finally arrived. If you 
want to see some pictures of the machine please do check out my reddit post 
here: https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/uxsbef/my_new_z114/? At the 
time of writing, I have not powered up the machine yet, as I still have to run 
and connect the power to my 220v supply. The HMC for my machine is also still 
in the mail, and I am expecting it sometime this weekend, or early next week. 
My main plan for the machine is to use it to learn everything there is to know 
about the platform, and learn the skills that I would need for a career in 
mainframe early. I am also trying to get into MIT, and having a unique 
accomplishment like this on your transcript can be a big help in that regard. 
Currently, I have a FC SAN for FBA storage, but I am still looking for CKD 
capable storage. My parents have allowed me to take up to three racks, so if 
you know of anyone trying to get rid of some, no matter how old it is, I will 
pay shipping to me. I expect to be posting alot more here as I deal with the 
myriad chalanges involved with getting the machine set up. If you have any 
questions you would like to ask, please feel free to do so. I will do my best 
to reply thoughout the day.


Thank you,

Enzo Damato

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