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2006-09-26 Thread Moore, Terry A.








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Re: Diag A8 R15 RC of 3

2006-09-26 Thread Chris Langford

What CC on the DIAG A8 ?
Whats in the CSW (Channel Status Word at int) ?
What's in the sense ?

Ken Vance wrote:


Hi,

We are using DIAG A8, and we are getting a RC of 3.  This does not 
appear to be documented.  We can see a condition code of 3, but not 
the R15 RC of 3.


Has anyone seen documentation for this RC?

 Table 17. DIAGNOSE Code X'A8' Return Codes in the Guest's Register 15  
  with CC=1
 *Condition*
*Code*  
 
	

 *Return* *Code*
*in* *Register*
*15*  
	
 *Status*  
 
 
 1
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  	 1 (X'01')  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
	 Device not attached.
 
*Note:*  This indicates that either the device
   has not been logically attached, or  
   that the physical path to the device  
   has been lost. If the physical path  
   to the device has been lost, then
   some portion of the channel program  
   may have been executed. This is  
   because CP may have used multiple
   real channel programs to perform the  
   I/O operation.
 1 	 2 (X'02')   	 Device is not supported.
 1 	 5 (X'05')   	 Device is busy, or has an interrupt pending.




If you receive a *condition code of 3*, this indicates that an 
unrecoverable I/O error occurred or the I/O was terminated at the 
user's request by entering an exigent command. If the I/O error 
resulted in a unit check, then sense data is stored in the sense data 
field and the amount of sense data stored is in the sense data count 
field. Return code 13 is set in the guest's register 15, indicating 
that a permanent I/O error occurred.


Thanks,

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RSCS LPD Spooled to RDR

2006-09-26 Thread Fran Hensler
I want to set up an RSCS LPD that receives print and spools it to my
RDR.  Is this possible?  Could someone send me an example of the
statement for the RSCSLPD CONFIG and the PRINTERS CONFIG files?

Thanks

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Rumors of the next z/VM?

2006-09-26 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
Due to some precarious applications, a customer is anxious to know now
what release/version of z/VM we're migrating them to in 2007.  
We'll migrate them before their VM5.1 is unsupported in 9/2007.
Does anyone have any good rumors about whether a new release or version
of z/VM beyond VM5.2 will become available in 2007?

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Re: Rumors of the next z/VM?

2006-09-26 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
Good luck with that as I cannot get IBM to say when RSU0602 might be
available for z/VM 5.2.0!

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Subject: Rumors of the next z/VM?


Due to some precarious applications, a customer is anxious to know now
what release/version of z/VM we're migrating them to in 2007.  
We'll migrate them before their VM5.1 is unsupported in 9/2007. Does
anyone have any good rumors about whether a new release or version of
z/VM beyond VM5.2 will become available in 2007?

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Re: Rumors of the next z/VM?

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Jones
You might want to take s look at Steve Wilkins' SHARE presentation: z/VM 
Platform Update (Session 9100) from the SHARE in Baltimore.


DJ

Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote:

Due to some precarious applications, a customer is anxious to know now
what release/version of z/VM we're migrating them to in 2007.  
We'll migrate them before their VM5.1 is unsupported in 9/2007.

Does anyone have any good rumors about whether a new release or version
of z/VM beyond VM5.2 will become available in 2007?

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Re: Rumors of the next z/VM?

2006-09-26 Thread Schuh, Richard
I hear rumors that there is a significant bug in z/VM 5.2 that will be fixed in 
z/VM 5.3. It is another 2G line constraint having to do with page and segment 
tables having to be located in the underworld.

Regards,
Richard Schuh


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 Subject: Re: Rumors of the next z/VM?
 
 
 Good luck with that as I cannot get IBM to say when RSU0602 might be
 available for z/VM 5.2.0!
 
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 Subject: Rumors of the next z/VM?
 
 
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 what release/version of z/VM we're migrating them to in 2007.  
 We'll migrate them before their VM5.1 is unsupported in 9/2007. Does
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RSCS LPD Spooled to RDR

2006-09-26 Thread Les Geer (607-429-3580)
I want to set up an RSCS LPD that receives print and spools it to my
RDR.  Is this possible?  Could someone send me an example of the
statement for the RSCSLPD CONFIG and the PRINTERS CONFIG files?


Sure, you can have the print file spooled anywhere in an RSCS network,
whether a user or another link.  It is based on the printer queue name
either specifying an entry in the LPDXMANY configuration file, or
specifying a name of [EMAIL PROTECTED] or userid%nodeid with RSCS LPD
would parse to the user and node to spool the file to.

Best Regards,
Les Geer
IBM z/VM and Linux Development


Re: Rumors of the next z/VM?

2006-09-26 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/26/2006 at 10:54 MST, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I hear rumors that there is a significant bug in z/VM 5.2 that will be 
fixed in 
 z/VM 5.3. It is another 2G line constraint having to do with page and 
segment 
 tables having to be located in the underworld.

What bug?  That's simply the design of CP.  (Constraint  Bug)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Mark Pace, Mainline Information System
Do you have a real CPU to back up the 2nd virtual CPU?   If not, then you
are not gaining anything.  The 2nd virtual  CPU is being scheduled to work
on the only real CPU just like every other task waiting on CPU.  I believe
that the overhead on VM of scheduling the 2nd CPU and the additional work
done by the Turbo Dispatcher to dispatch work on multiple CPUs would cause
you to see less performance.  If your a UNI processor, keep the VSE at 1
cpu and raise it's share value if your trying to give it more CPU time.



Mark D Pace
Senior Systems Engineer
Mainline Information Systems
1700 Summit Lake Drive
Tallahassee, FL. 32317
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Fax: 888.221.9862
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Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Marty Zimelis
Hey Scully,
   There may be a lot of confusion, but there's only one correct answer: It
depends.  :-)  Seriously, the SHARE value in the directory (or set by
command) is a function of the virtual machine, not the virtual processor.  A
four way with a SHARE of Relative 100 gets a relative 25 assigned to each
vCPU.  Thus, adding vCPUs without increasing the SHARE value will only
dilute the  processing power of the user.

   Any benefit of adding vCPUs -- as opposed to just increasing SHARE value
-- occurs only if your existing vCPU is max'ing out a real CPU.

   Of course, adding vCPUs and increasing SHARE will only be effective if
the user can actually take advantage of more than one processor
simultaneously (i.e., not CMS). 

Marty

Martin Zimelis
Principal
maz/Consultancy

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scully, William P
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:00 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs
 
 All things being equal, does giving a user a second (or third) virtual
 CPU give them more MIPS, over time, than a user with a 
 single virtual
 CPU?  When I speak with experienced VMers there seems to be a distinct
 difference in opinion on this.  Some think, yes, give me a second
 virtual CPU and I'll get twice the work done.  Others think you'll
 only get twice the CPU if your CP SHARE is twice as large as 
 the other
 guy.  
 
 What's the REAL answer? 
 


Can't copy a spool pack?

2006-09-26 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
While the host is running I copied the host VM5.2's single SPOOL pack to
the single spool pack of my guest VM5.2 system, wanting to give the
guest a copy of the host's NSS's and other System Data Files (SDF). 
When I IPL-ed the guest it reported no spool files; it had no NSS's.

I did the copy 3 times, IPL-ing after each copy, and got the same result
each time: VM comes up and says no spool files; CP Q NSS reported NO
NSS's each time. 

I used CP FLASHCOPY to do a fullpack copy the first 2 times and DDR to
do the fullpack copy the third time.

From past experience I expect to be able to copy the system's single
spool pack and get the SDF's and lose some STD open spool files (RDR,
PRT, PUNCH) that don't matter to me.

Can anyone explain why the copied spool pack doesn't have usable SDF's
on it?  I've verified my source and destination addresses and volids,
etc.

I eventually gave up and moved the spool files using  SPXTAPE.

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Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Scully, William P
Let me refine this question.

- Two users.  Similar workload.  A real processor with multiple CPUs.
The underlying CP has no resource constraints.  CP SHARE the same for
both users.  The only difference is user A has one virtual processor
and user B has two virtual processors. 

I'm not really trying to solve a problem by asking this question.  Just
trying to understand how CP tries to give everyone their share.  I
think we all expect that two users, over time, doing the same work, with
the same virtual machine settings, get about the same resources from CP.
I'm asking, does giving a user an extra virtual CPU imply that that user
is going to get more CPU cycles, merely because of the second virtual
CPU? 

I see Marty thinks the answer is no.  That's my feeling too.  Did this
change at z/VM vs. VM/ESA?  Or was it always this way? 

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scully, William P
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:00 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

All things being equal, does giving a user a second (or third) virtual
CPU give them more MIPS, over time, than a user with a single virtual
CPU?  When I speak with experienced VMers there seems to be a distinct
difference in opinion on this.  Some think, yes, give me a second
virtual CPU and I'll get twice the work done.  Others think you'll
only get twice the CPU if your CP SHARE is twice as large as the other
guy.  

What's the REAL answer? 


Re: Can't copy a spool pack?

2006-09-26 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
You need to copy the CHECKPOINT and/or the WARM START areas too.  You
will more than likely have to do a FORCE start on the new system.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Romanowski, John (OFT)
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:23 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Can't copy a spool pack?


While the host is running I copied the host VM5.2's single SPOOL pack to
the single spool pack of my guest VM5.2 system, wanting to give the
guest a copy of the host's NSS's and other System Data Files (SDF). 
When I IPL-ed the guest it reported no spool files; it had no NSS's.

I did the copy 3 times, IPL-ing after each copy, and got the same result
each time: VM comes up and says no spool files; CP Q NSS reported NO
NSS's each time. 

I used CP FLASHCOPY to do a fullpack copy the first 2 times and DDR to
do the fullpack copy the third time.

From past experience I expect to be able to copy the system's single
spool pack and get the SDF's and lose some STD open spool files (RDR,
PRT, PUNCH) that don't matter to me.

Can anyone explain why the copied spool pack doesn't have usable SDF's
on it?  I've verified my source and destination addresses and volids,
etc.

I eventually gave up and moved the spool files using  SPXTAPE.

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Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Marty Zimelis
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scully, William P
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:25 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs
 
 Let me refine this question.
 
 - Two users.  Similar workload.  A real processor with multiple CPUs.
 The underlying CP has no resource constraints.  CP SHARE the same for
 both users.  The only difference is user A has one virtual processor
 and user B has two virtual processors. 
 
 I'm not really trying to solve a problem by asking this question.  Just
 trying to understand how CP tries to give everyone their share.  I
 think we all expect that two users, over time, doing the same work, with
 the same virtual machine settings, get about the same resources from CP.
 I'm asking, does giving a user an extra virtual CPU imply that that user
 is going to get more CPU cycles, merely because of the second virtual
 CPU? 
 
 I see Marty thinks the answer is no.  That's my feeling too.  Did this
 change at z/VM vs. VM/ESA?  Or was it always this way? 

It has been this way since VM/XA.  There have been many changes around the
edges (e.g., Limit Shares), but the basic scheduling algorithm remains
unchanged.  And this is not a feeling.  This comes from reading the code.

Marty


Re: Can't copy a spool pack?

2006-09-26 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
Ahh, that's' what I'm forgetting. In the past I've copied the sysres and
spool pack close in time and got the warmstart and checkpoint area too;
not this time. Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stracka, James (GTI)
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:28 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Can't copy a spool pack?

You need to copy the CHECKPOINT and/or the WARM START areas too.  You
will more than likely have to do a FORCE start on the new system.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Romanowski, John (OFT)
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:23 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Can't copy a spool pack?


While the host is running I copied the host VM5.2's single SPOOL pack to
the single spool pack of my guest VM5.2 system, wanting to give the
guest a copy of the host's NSS's and other System Data Files (SDF). 
When I IPL-ed the guest it reported no spool files; it had no NSS's.

I did the copy 3 times, IPL-ing after each copy, and got the same result
each time: VM comes up and says no spool files; CP Q NSS reported NO
NSS's each time. 

I used CP FLASHCOPY to do a fullpack copy the first 2 times and DDR to
do the fullpack copy the third time.

From past experience I expect to be able to copy the system's single
spool pack and get the SDF's and lose some STD open spool files (RDR,
PRT, PUNCH) that don't matter to me.

Can anyone explain why the copied spool pack doesn't have usable SDF's
on it?  I've verified my source and destination addresses and volids,
etc.

I eventually gave up and moved the spool files using  SPXTAPE.

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Re: Can't copy a spool pack?

2006-09-26 Thread David Kreuter
As stated you'll need the WARM cylinders. Each page of warm points at up 
1,022 spool files. I think it is a BAD IDEA to attempt to copy spool 
from a running system. Maybe it'll work if the stars are aligned ... 
serialization ...  no updates to warm ... virtual machine not purging or 
creating a file ...
for the NSSes why not use primitive yet effective DCSSBKUP/DCSSRSAV with 
a wrapper of Q NSS ALL MAP? Recreating CMS and GCS no big deal.

David
Stracka, James (GTI) wrote:


You need to copy the CHECKPOINT and/or the WARM START areas too.  You
will more than likely have to do a FORCE start on the new system.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Romanowski, John (OFT)
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:23 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Can't copy a spool pack?


While the host is running I copied the host VM5.2's single SPOOL pack to
the single spool pack of my guest VM5.2 system, wanting to give the
guest a copy of the host's NSS's and other System Data Files (SDF). 
When I IPL-ed the guest it reported no spool files; it had no NSS's.


I did the copy 3 times, IPL-ing after each copy, and got the same result
each time: VM comes up and says no spool files; CP Q NSS reported NO
NSS's each time. 


I used CP FLASHCOPY to do a fullpack copy the first 2 times and DDR to
do the fullpack copy the third time.


From past experience I expect to be able to copy the system's single

spool pack and get the SDF's and lose some STD open spool files (RDR,
PRT, PUNCH) that don't matter to me.

Can anyone explain why the copied spool pack doesn't have usable SDF's
on it?  I've verified my source and destination addresses and volids,
etc.

I eventually gave up and moved the spool files using  SPXTAPE.

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VM63952 / UM31784 - z/VM v5.2 New Function PTF

2006-09-26 Thread Dennis Schaffer
Has anyone installed VM63952 and its z/VM v5.2 PTF UM31784?  Does it seem
reliable?  Has it caused any problems?  What type of processor are you
running?

I'm installing z/VM v5.2 and considering whether to install UM31784 because
I'm interested in the PAV support and because a z9 may be in the picture
next year.  However, it seems to be a pretty significant (and relatively
new) PTF and I'm wondering if anyone has made the leap yet?

On a related subject, has anyone made use of the PAV minidisk support (w/
Linux) yet?  Did it help?

Any feedback?

Thanks in advance,

Dennis Schaffer
Mutual of Omaha


Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Rob van der Heij

On 9/26/06, Marty Zimelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   Any benefit of adding vCPUs -- as opposed to just increasing SHARE value
-- occurs only if your existing vCPU is max'ing out a real CPU.


Unless you have a poorly designed application that can be fooled to
let it think it has two CPU's and thus can afford to service users in
addition to doing its background work ;-)

--
Rob van der Heij
Velocity Software, Inc
http://velocitysoftware.com/


Re: MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/26/2006 at 03:25 AST, Scully, William P 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let me refine this question.
 
 - Two users.  Similar workload.  A real processor with multiple CPUs.
 The underlying CP has no resource constraints.  CP SHARE the same for
 both users.  The only difference is user A has one virtual processor
 and user B has two virtual processors.
 
 I'm not really trying to solve a problem by asking this question.  Just
 trying to understand how CP tries to give everyone their share.  I
 think we all expect that two users, over time, doing the same work, with
 the same virtual machine settings, get about the same resources from CP.
 I'm asking, does giving a user an extra virtual CPU imply that that user
 is going to get more CPU cycles, merely because of the second virtual
 CPU?

No.  If the virtual machine cannot make use of the 2nd CPU it will, in 
fact, only get up to *half* of the CPU resources you allocated to it. When 
you add virtual CPUs, you enable the virtual machine to overlap more 
operations and run multiple threads concurrently.  This can give the 
*appearance* of more horsepower but is really just loosening the 
bottleneck of access to a CPU.  The virtual machine gets more done in 
the same unit of wall clock time.

If the virtual machine spends most of its time waiting for humans or 
devices, then nothing will help since the CPU instructions aren't the 
limiting resource.
 
 I see Marty thinks the answer is no.  That's my feeling too.  Did this
 change at z/VM vs. VM/ESA?  Or was it always this way?

It's been this way forever.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: Diag A8 R15 RC of 3

2006-09-26 Thread Ray Mansell




Ken,

Can you tell us the level of CP where this happens, and the associated
condition code? I've just spent an hour or so poring over the 5.2
source code for diag A8, and I can't see any way return code 3 can
happen.

Ray Mansell

Ken Vance wrote:

  Hi,
  
  
  We are using DIAG A8, and we are
getting
a RC of 3. This does not appear to be documented. We can see
a condition code of 3, but not the R15 RC of 3.
  
  
  




Re: Rumors of the next z/VM?

2006-09-26 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/26/2006 at 01:26 EST, Dennis Schaffer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I attended that session and Steve's presentation didn't address anything
 beyond v5.2 and follow-on new function APARs.
 
 However, I did ask Steve at the end of the session, without requesting
 details, whether a new release of z/VM would be announced by the end of
 2006 and I believe he said yes.

The problem with unannounced products is that they are ... uh ... 
unannounced.  That means anything we say or imply, or that you infer, is, 
by definition, a forward-looking statement and subject to change.

If you want to prognosticate about the timing of the next z/VM release, 
start by looking at history and go from there. 
http://www.vm.ibm.com/techinfo/lpmigr/vmleos.html is a nice place to 
start.  It says that the typical interval between releases is 12-24 
months, with 15-18 months being the mean, and that the life of a release 
is nominally 3 years.  There's enough deviation in the pattern, however, 
to make your crystal ball hazy.

Oh, and before I forget, z/VM 4.4 goes end-of-service in 4 more days!

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Multiple HOSTS LOCAL files to match multiple TCPIP files?

2006-09-26 Thread Tom Cluster
I'm trying to configure my TCP/IP virtual machines so that when 
they're restored to our DR environment they will work correctly 
without any changes.  I have multiple TCPIP files, one for each CPU, 
because the selection of the filename to be used is based on the 
nodeid from the SYSTEM NETID file, with PROFILE TCPIP being used if 
there is no match.  However, that leaves the HOSTS LOCAL file.  I 
can't find a similar way to automate the selection of this file (as 
well as its two generated files).


Perhaps a better question to ask is this:

Do I really need to worry about the HOSTS LOCAL file?  We only use VM 
TCP/IP for TN3270 and FTP, and both seem to work perfectly well even 
if the HOSTS LOCAL file is for the wrong IP stack.  Our HOSTS LOCAL 
files contain only a single HOST and a single GATEWAY 
statement.  When I restore my production system to my DR system, 
TN3270 and FTP work fine on the DR system even though the HOSTS LOCAL 
file contains entries for the production system.


  - Tom.

Tom Cluster
County of Sonoma
Santa Rosa, CA
(707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only) 


Re: Can't copy a spool pack?

2006-09-26 Thread Jim Bohnsack
David--That's exactly what you cannot do with DCSSBKUP/.RSAV is copy 
NSS's.  That's one of the two major short comings with those utilities 
with the other being, IMHO, the fact that the restored DCSS's do not 
retain the original spool file time/date stamp. 

I suspect, tho, that you really just meant your posting as, what my 
brother would say, a gullibility test. 


David Kreuter wrote:
As stated you'll need the WARM cylinders. Each page of warm points at up 
1,022 spool files. I think it is a BAD IDEA to attempt to copy spool 
from a running system. Maybe it'll work if the stars are aligned ... 
serialization ...  no updates to warm ... virtual machine not purging or 
creating a file ...
for the NSSes why not use primitive yet effective DCSSBKUP/DCSSRSAV with 
a wrapper of Q NSS ALL MAP? Recreating CMS and GCS no big deal.

David
  

--
Jim Bohnsack
Cornell University
(607) 255-1760
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Diag A8 R15 RC of 3

2006-09-26 Thread Ken Vance

Hi,

We are using DIAG A8, and we are getting
a RC of 3. This does not appear to be documented. We can see
a condition code of 3, but not the R15 RC of 3.

Has anyone seen documentation for this
RC?




Table 17. DIAGNOSE Code X'A8' Return
Codes in the Guest's Register 15 
  with CC=1
  
  


Condition 
 Code   
  

Return Code 
 in Register 
 15 

Status   
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
 

1 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
1 (X'01')  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
Device not attached.

  
  
 
 Note: This indicates that either the device 
has not been logically attached, or 

that the physical path to the device 
has been lost. If the physical path 

to the device has been lost, then  

some portion of the channel program 

may have been executed. This is  
 
because CP may have used multiple  

real channel programs to perform the 
I/O operation.
   

1 
2 (X'02')  
Device is not supported.   
   

1 
5 (X'05')  
Device is busy, or has an interrupt pending.


If you receive a condition code of 3, this indicates
that an unrecoverable I/O error occurred or the I/O was terminated at the
user's request by entering an exigent command. If the I/O error resulted
in a unit check, then sense data is stored in the sense data field and
the amount of sense data stored is in the sense data count field. Return
code 13 is set in the guest's register 15, indicating that a permanent
I/O error occurred. 

Thanks,

Ken Vance
Amadeus

MIPS vs. Virtual CPUs

2006-09-26 Thread Scully, William P
All things being equal, does giving a user a second (or third) virtual
CPU give them more MIPS, over time, than a user with a single virtual
CPU?  When I speak with experienced VMers there seems to be a distinct
difference in opinion on this.  Some think, yes, give me a second
virtual CPU and I'll get twice the work done.  Others think you'll
only get twice the CPU if your CP SHARE is twice as large as the other
guy.  

What's the REAL answer? 


Re: Multiple HOSTS LOCAL files to match multiple TCPIP files?

2006-09-26 Thread Marcy Cortes
Hey, Tom, hope all is well.

We don't use one - if that helps.  Everything points to DNS server that
is defined in TCPIP DATA file. 


Marcy Cortes


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Subject: [IBMVM] Multiple HOSTS LOCAL files to match multiple TCPIP
files?

I'm trying to configure my TCP/IP virtual machines so that when they're
restored to our DR environment they will work correctly without any
changes.  I have multiple TCPIP files, one for each CPU, because the
selection of the filename to be used is based on the nodeid from the
SYSTEM NETID file, with PROFILE TCPIP being used if there is no match.
However, that leaves the HOSTS LOCAL file.  I can't find a similar way
to automate the selection of this file (as well as its two generated
files).

Perhaps a better question to ask is this:

Do I really need to worry about the HOSTS LOCAL file?  We only use VM
TCP/IP for TN3270 and FTP, and both seem to work perfectly well even if
the HOSTS LOCAL file is for the wrong IP stack.  Our HOSTS LOCAL files
contain only a single HOST and a single GATEWAY statement.  When I
restore my production system to my DR system, TN3270 and FTP work fine
on the DR system even though the HOSTS LOCAL file contains entries for
the production system.

   - Tom.

Tom Cluster
County of Sonoma
Santa Rosa, CA
(707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only) 


Re: Multiple HOSTS LOCAL files to match multiple TCPIP files?

2006-09-26 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/26/2006 at 06:36 MST, Tom Cluster [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Do I really need to worry about the HOSTS LOCAL file?

HOSTS LOCAL  Company are deprecated and have been replaced by ETC HOSTS 
which
- supports both IPv4 and IPv6
- doesn't require compiling with MAKESITE

Name resolution is performed according to the DOMAINLOOKUP statement in 
TCPIP DATA.  The default is DNS only; the host files are ignored.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott