Re: VTAM on an IFL?

2008-04-30 Thread Tony Thigpen

Sorry, but your stated setup brings up some questions.

When you said We also have a TOR and two other production CICS's 
running in prod connected together by VTAM, it implies that you are 
using ISC connectins, not MRO, for connecting CICSs in the same VSE. If 
you are using ISC, you should change them to MRO. If you are actually 
using MRO, then they are not really connected together by VTAM.


Unless you are using ISC to connect CICSs in different VSEs, you could 
possibly use the previously mentioned BSI product and eliminate VTAM. 
(The product is an extension of their TN3270 server product and does 
work with either vendors stack.) It even supports local non-SNA 3270 
coax terminals for those last 'holdouts'.


Tony Thigpen


-Original Message -
 From: Jones, Zachary
 Sent: 04/29/2008 08:10 AM


Most systems programmer function are in ICCF, and in my shop (Kinda 
Small) all of our production JCL. ICCF just runs in it's own CICS. So we 
need VTAM no matter what right now.


We also have a TOR and two other production CICS's running in prod 
connected together by VTAM.




At least on VSE I could see VTAM just merging into the cost of the 
license just like RSCS has in z/VM 5.3. 



On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 13:51 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch

 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:35 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: VTAM on an IFL?
 
 Interesting question.
 
 I was trying to explain VTAM to a relatively newbe a couple weeks ago.
 
 And I did come to the conclusion that since there are no new 
 SNA hardware anymore, not only VTAM should be sunsetted, but 
 we need to play to get rid of VTAM in the next few years.
 
 The problem still remains, that CICS takes to VTAM.  CICS 
 doesn't talk directly with IP terminals (like can be done 
 with VM).  So, until there is an IBM supplied solution, VTAM 
 still needs to be supported and available in the VSE world.  
 That is, until we are forced to send all of our screens thru 
 a browser.
 
 Tom Duerbusch


The same applies to z/OS, but even worse in that TSO is required to
really do anything at least as far as system maintenance is required.
I don't know about VSE, but in z/OS, even with TCP/IP, it is VTAM which
is doing the actual I/O to the IP devices (well, at least with OSA
devices). Who designed this? As an amusement, I've been trying to see
how much work I can do using z/OS's UNIX shell instead of TSO. The
answer is: Not really very much.

As far as CICS is concerned, I can almost envision a TN3270 server
built in to CICS. Or perhaps a BMS/IP where BMS supports IP terminals
directly somehow. Of course, this will not be implemented by IBM
without a business case.

Is ICCF available via IP? Or is it even necessary? I'm not very VSE
literate.

--
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Re: Are used P/390s available?

2008-04-30 Thread Bruce Arro
Hi,

I think we have one somewhere

Are you still looking for a p/390

Regards


-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:40 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Are used P/390s available?

I have a client that is using a P/390, off the top of my head, it was
using the 330 box.

Anyway, it is still going strong long with VM/ESA 2.4.

Now, they are looking at acquiring another box, for disaster recovery
purposes.  I seem to recall, that many shops ended up just throwing them
away as there wasn't a market for them.  (software pricing killed the
used market)

For disaster recovery purposes, the box may still be viable.

So, are there vendors with used P/390 boxes or are we more on the ebay
side and/or knowing someone that is getting rid of one?

Thanks

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting

Law of Cat Acceleration

  A cat will accelerate at a constant rate, until he gets good and
  ready to stop.


Re: Hipersockets - xposted to VM-L IBM-Main

2008-04-30 Thread Mark Pace
I'm totally confused.
Routing table from HostA (z/OS 1.9 LPAR)
netstat
route
 EZZ2350I MVS TCP/IP NETSTAT CS V1R9   TCPIP Name: TCPIP
13:00:42
 EZZ2755I Destination Gateway  Flags Refcnt
Interface
 EZZ2756I --- ---  - --
-
 EZZ2757I Default 199.44.nnn.1 UGS   00
MPCLNK1


 EZZ2757I 10.6.0.0/24 0.0.0.0  US02
IUTLNK1


 EZZ2757I 10.6.0.3/32 0.0.0.0  UH00
IUTLNK1


 EZZ2757I 127.0.0.1/320.0.0.0  UH00
LOOPBACK


 EZZ2757I 199.44.nnn.0/25 0.0.0.0  US02
MPCLNK1


 EZZ2757I 199.44.nnn.66/320.0.0.0  UH00
MPCLNK1

And Hostb (z/OS 1.9 as a z/VM guest) that does not work.
netstat
route
 EZZ2350I MVS TCP/IP NETSTAT CS V1R9   TCPIP Name: TCPIP
13:00:33
 EZZ2755I Destination Gateway  Flags Refcnt
Interface
 EZZ2756I --- ---  - --
-
 EZZ2757I Default 199.44.nnn.1 UGS   00
MPCLNK1


 EZZ2757I 10.6.0.0/24 0.0.0.0  US00
IUTLNK1


 EZZ2757I 10.6.0.20/320.0.0.0  UH00
IUTLNK1


 EZZ2757I 127.0.0.1/320.0.0.0  UH00
LOOPBACK


 EZZ2757I 199.44.nnn.0/25 0.0.0.0  US01
MPCLNK1


 EZZ2757I 199.44.nnn.70/320.0.0.0  UH00
MPCLNK1


They look the same to me.


On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Wednesday, 04/23/2008 at 10:41 EDT, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Does it make a difference that Hipersockets are real devices dedicated
 to the
  z/OS guest and the OSA connection is a VSWITCH?  The OSA connection on
 the
  VSWITCH works,  the real Hipersockets do not.

 Sorry if I misunderstood.  If HostA and HostB are on the same HiperSocket
 chpid and cannot ping each other, then there is a routing problem (bad IP
 address, subnet, or subnet mask, or incorrect dynamic route).

 As always, draw a picture and make sure the picture is legal.  I've seen
 people with syntactically perfect configuration files but a configuration
 that violates the Natural Laws of Networking.

 Then display the routing table on both HostA and HostB to see if they are
 consistent.

 Alan Altmark
 z/VM Development
 IBM Endicott




-- 
Mark Pace
Mainline Information Systems


DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Edward M. Martin
  

Hello Everyone,

 

 I have some very new volumes that I am going create another second
level machine.

Do I always have to CP FORMAT the new volumes before I do a DDR ALL?  Or
does the DDR all 

Copy all the formatting?

 

 Just wondering.

 

Ed Martin

330-588-4723

ext 40441

 



Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ddr copies everything, you don't need to format the dasds.

kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Edward M. Martin schrieb:


Hello Everyone,

 

 I have some very new volumes that I am going create another 
second level machine.


Do I always have to CP FORMAT the new volumes before I do a DDR ALL?  
Or does the DDR all


Copy all the formatting?

 


 Just wondering.

 


Ed Martin

330-588-4723

ext 40441

 



Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Mark Pace
If you do a DDR DUMP ALL and then a DDR RESTORE it will take care of the
formatting.

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   Hello Everyone,



  I have some very new volumes that I am going create another second
 level machine.

 Do I always have to CP FORMAT the new volumes before I do a DDR ALL?  Or
 does the DDR all

 Copy all the formatting?



  Just wondering.



 Ed Martin

 330-588-4723

 ext 40441






-- 
Mark Pace
Mainline Information Systems


Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Hi Ed

DDR ALL is an image copy.  The contents of all tracks and all cylinders are 
copied.

And you are aware that you only need to do a CP FORMAT for CP ONLY volumes.  
Regular CMS volumes nor other guest volumes need CP FORMAT done.  Doesn't hurt, 
just a waste of time.

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting  

Law of Cat Acceleration

  A cat will accelerate at a constant rate, until he gets good and
  ready to stop.


 Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/30/2008 9:24 AM 


Hello Everyone,

 

 I have some very new volumes that I am going create another second
level machine.

Do I always have to CP FORMAT the new volumes before I do a DDR ALL?  Or
does the DDR all 

Copy all the formatting?

 

 Just wondering.

 

Ed Martin

330-588-4723

ext 40441

 


Colleges producing mainframe people??

2008-04-30 Thread Hughes, Jim
What are the names of the colleges with an emphasis on teaching
mainframe subjects??

Thanks.

 
Jim Hughes
603-271-5586
There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're
talking about.
John von Neumann


RSCS question

2008-04-30 Thread Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E]
We are doing a z/VM and zLinux proof of concept and are starting gather
prices for presentation to management. The trial z/VM software from IBM
and the price quote contain RSCS and I'm trying to determine exactly
what it is used for. 

From http://www.vm.ibm.com/networking/ it is explained to be a
networking program. It has never been enabled: 
q product

Product  StateDescription

5VMDIR30 Enabled  01/31/08.13:55:24.MAINTInstall/service DirMaint
using minidisk
5VMPTK30 Enabled  04/08/08.14:25:44.MAINTPERFKIT Minidisk Install
and Service   
5VMRAC30 Disabled 00/00/00.00:00:00.$BASEDDR RACF for VM

5VMRSC30 Disabled 00/00/00.00:00:00.$BASEDDR RSCS Networking Version 5
Release 3 Modification 0

so I'm wondering what it is really used for?

Thanks   

Bobby Bauer
Center for Information Technology
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda, MD 20892-5628
301-594-7474

  


Re: RSCS question

2008-04-30 Thread RPN01
If you run multiple systems, it's an easy way to move files across CTC
connections. If you want to be able to print to various types of printers,
you may or may not need to get an RSCS license, depending on the type of
printer (TCP/IP attached printers are supported w/o a license, I think.

We have licensed it to use along side of CSE to couple our two machines
together. DirMaint uses it to move requests from one system to the other.
This could also be done via shared spool. If you're looking at a CSE
environment, you'll also need PVM as well.

-- 
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RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\
507-284-0844   Rochester, MN 55905   /( )\
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 in practice, theory and practice are different.




On 4/30/08 10:04 AM, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 We are doing a z/VM and zLinux proof of concept and are starting gather
 prices for presentation to management. The trial z/VM software from IBM
 and the price quote contain RSCS and I'm trying to determine exactly
 what it is used for.
 
 From http://www.vm.ibm.com/networking/ it is explained to be a
 networking program. It has never been enabled:
 q product
 
 Product  StateDescription
 
 5VMDIR30 Enabled  01/31/08.13:55:24.MAINTInstall/service DirMaint
 using minidisk   
 5VMPTK30 Enabled  04/08/08.14:25:44.MAINTPERFKIT Minidisk Install
 and Service  
 5VMRAC30 Disabled 00/00/00.00:00:00.$BASEDDR RACF for VM
 
 5VMRSC30 Disabled 00/00/00.00:00:00.$BASEDDR RSCS Networking Version 5
 Release 3 Modification 0
 
 so I'm wondering what it is really used for?
 
 Thanks   
 
 Bobby Bauer
 Center for Information Technology
 National Institutes of Health
 Bethesda, MD 20892-5628
 301-594-7474
 
   


Colleges producing mainframe people??

2008-04-30 Thread Pamela Christina in Endicott NY
 Jim Huges asked:
 What are the names of the colleges with an emphasis on teaching
 mainframe subjects??

Here's the link to the academic initiative, universities page:

http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/university/scholars/products/zseries/universities.html

(watch the wrap of the url)

Here's the link to IBM Academic Initiative for System z program:

http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/university/scholars/products/zseries/

Regards,
Pam C


Re: Colleges producing mainframe people??

2008-04-30 Thread Malcolm Beattie
Hughes, Jim writes:
 What are the names of the colleges with an emphasis on teaching
 mainframe subjects??

Start with
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/university/scholars/products/zseries/
for the System z Academic Initiative. The EnergiZed PDF document
gives profiles of some of the universities we're engaged with and
there's a much longer but less detailed list in the Particpating
Schools tab.

I run the z university program/zAI for Europe so I can help you
with more detail for places over here. The general contact address
worldwide is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I know the real people behind
that email address so we won't let any communication vanish into a
black hole.

--Malcolm

-- 
Malcolm Beattie
System z SWG/STG, Europe
IBM UK


Re: Colleges producing mainframe people??

2008-04-30 Thread Claudio Testore
Jim,
you will find information in:

http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/us/en/university/scholars/products/zseries/resources.html

Claudio Testore

- Mensaje original 
De: Hughes, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Enviado: miércoles 30 de abril de 2008, 11:59:26
Asunto: Colleges producing mainframe people??

What are the names of the colleges with an emphasis on teaching
mainframe subjects??

Thanks.

 
Jim Hughes
603-271-5586
There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're
talking about.
John von Neumann



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Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread David Boyes
 I have some very new volumes that I am going create another second level 
 machine.
 Do I always have to CP FORMAT the new volumes before I do a DDR ALL?  Or does 
 the DDR all 
 Copy all the formatting?

You probably don't *have* to do the format first, but if this is the first time 
the volumes have been used or if the volumes are recycled, it's still the 
Recommended Way (and will save you lots of semi-frantic debugging if something 
mysterious happens, especially if these will be page or spool volumes and you 
accidentally miss formatting a cylinder on the original volume you took the DDR 
image from). 

It takes extra time, but it's probably safer in the long haul. If it were my 
system, I'd still do the format first. 


Re: RSCS question

2008-04-30 Thread David Boyes
 We are doing a z/VM and zLinux proof of concept and are starting
gather
 prices for presentation to management. The trial z/VM software from
IBM
 and the price quote contain RSCS and I'm trying to determine exactly
 what it is used for.
 
 From http://www.vm.ibm.com/networking/ it is explained to be a
 networking program. It has never been enabled:
 q product
 so I'm wondering what it is really used for?

If you don't have a channel-attached printer, it's your only
IBM-recommended option for getting printed output from the VM system to
a network printer (you could still use LPSERVE, but you really, really
DON'T want to do that). 

It's also your best route to move files, print and monitoring data over
to other IBM OSes like z/OS (and non-IBM systems with a little help from
us) without human intervention. 

If you plan to use CSE for VM failover, you need it to move updates
between primary and satellite DIRMAINTs. 

If you can afford it, RSCS is handy to have. 

-- db


Re: RSCS question

2008-04-30 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 04/30/2008 at 11:38 EDT, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 If you plan to use CSE for VM failover, you need it to move updates
 between primary and satellite DIRMAINTs.

Only if you're not using shared spool.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


SWAPGEN version 0803 posted

2008-04-30 Thread David Boyes
(crossposted to Linux-390 and IBMVM, since many folks support either
Linux systems or VM systems or both)

 

Posting a recent update to SWAPGEN prompted several people to contribute
additional goodies, so I've posted a new version of SWAPGEN (version
0803). The file SWPG0803 MAILABLE will be available for download at
http://www.sinenomine.net/vm/swapgen sometime this afternoon. 

 

The new version includes some improved error checking and messages to
indicate what happened if SWAPGEN was unable to create the requested
swap disk and some minor improvements for FBA disks. I also got several
comments that using VMARC to package SWAPGEN was too complicated, so
this version is packaged with Phil Smith's MAILABLE package, which
allows you to just download the file in text mode, rename it to SWPG0803
EXEC and run the exec to unpack all the pieces automagically. 

 

Anyone supporting Linux systems on z/VM should upgrade to this version,
and future versions or your own hacks should be based on this version.
If you make updates, please use the provided source and update structure
so it'll be easy to integrate in the future. 

 

Thanks to Phil Smith, Dave Jones, and others for their polite comments
and feedback. Suggestions and polite comments can be sent to me offlist.


 

-- db

 

David Boyes

Sine Nomine Associates

 

PS - there will be a major update and reorg of the Sine Nomine WWW site
in the next few days to throw a bone to the marketing and image people
(whips and raw meat on demand no longer work). I think we've pinned down
all the important external references that need to work, but if anyone
notices any important external references that no longer work, please
let us know ASAP and we'll get them fixed. 



Re: SCP/SFTP functionality

2008-04-30 Thread David Boyes
 I don't understand why the Unix/Linux world prefers SFTP to FTPS

Implementation of SFTP doesn't require certificate management
infrastructure and expensive certificates from external organizations.
Ssh is also open source and freely distributed; few if any FTPS clients
or servers are. 

 The user's only solution is to stop using z/VM.

Move his files to SFS, export the SFS directory via NFS to a Linux
guest, and configure REXEC on the Linux guest via a private guest LAN
that is not connected to external network to allow him to remotely
execute SCP on Linux from CMS. Done. 


Re: SCP/SFTP functionality

2008-04-30 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 04/30/2008 at 01:20 EDT, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  I don't understand why the Unix/Linux world prefers SFTP to FTPS
 
 Implementation of SFTP doesn't require certificate management
 infrastructure and expensive certificates from external organizations.
 Ssh is also open source and freely distributed; few if any FTPS clients
 or servers are.

No certificate management?  Feh.  You are responsible to adhere to your 
company's policy regarding certificates.  Old or ill-managed certificates 
are just as dangerous as old or ill-managed passwords.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 04/30/2008 at 10:55 EDT, Tom Duerbusch 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And you are aware that you only need to do a CP FORMAT for CP ONLY 
volumes. 
 Regular CMS volumes nor other guest volumes need CP FORMAT done. Doesn't 
hurt, 
 just a waste of time.

It's only a waste if you already formatted the volume to destroy residual 
data.  Otherwise, you need to do it.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: SCP/SFTP functionality

2008-04-30 Thread David Boyes
  Implementation of SFTP doesn't require certificate management
  infrastructure and expensive certificates from external
organizations.
  Ssh is also open source and freely distributed; few if any FTPS
clients
  or servers are.
 
 No certificate management?  Feh.  You are responsible to adhere to
your
 company's policy regarding certificates.  Old or ill-managed
certificates
 are just as dangerous as old or ill-managed passwords.

No argument there -- opportunities for stupidity are as ubiquitous as
FORTRAN-like coding styles. Alan Ackerman asked why SSH and SFTP are so
successful in the Unix world. 

SSH doesn't *require* a CA or other certificate management widgets *at
all*. It doesn't *require* distribution of certificates before it can be
useful. It doesn't *require* generation of certificates by anyone. It
doesn't *require* paying for individual host certificates for every host
you want to secure. It doesn't *require* figuring out what approved
vendors are in the default root certificate list on operating system X,
Y or Z and how to integrate your certificate into that infrastructure if
it's not included. It doesn't cost anything per year to get started.  It
Just Works out of the box. And it's preloaded in most places that Unix
weenies care about -- even on VMS and newer versions of Windows. 

How many pages of documentation does it require to explain the setup of
SSLSERV, or even to understand what's happening in it? How much is the
cheapest enterprise-wise certificate from a company in the default
Windows root CA list? 

The defense rests.

Don't get me wrong -- there are places for both. The above is why you
don't find FTPS and SSL-wrapped TELNET widely used in the Unix
community. Too many moving parts and other stuff needed to get started. 


Re: SCP/SFTP functionality

2008-04-30 Thread Stephen Frazier

That will never get past an auditor who has read about but doesn't understand 
REXEC. :)

David Boyes wrote:


Move his files to SFS, export the SFS directory via NFS to a Linux
guest, and configure REXEC on the Linux guest via a private guest LAN
that is not connected to external network to allow him to remotely
execute SCP on Linux from CMS. Done. 


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Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Thomas Kern
Now that is different. Whenever I get NEW dasd, I always format all new
volumes to make sure that data can be written before data must be written
.

/Tom Kern



On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:16:23 -0400, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:

Hello Everyone,

These are new DS6800 FICON attached dasd.  All 3390 (mod 3 or mod 9).
Never used.  No residual data.

But I am getting the feeling is that FORMAT once to ensure that
everything is where it should be.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441



Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Tom,

As I read the DS6800 manual, it seems that the initial format
was suppose to do all these neat checks.

The 2nd level system is mine for support and fun stuff.

I had the improper format problem on the older EMC dasd.

Really interesting abends and problems.

I am getting a read on 'NO FORMAT' required.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Thomas Kern
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:28 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DDR to a second level system

Now that is different. Whenever I get NEW dasd, I always format all new
volumes to make sure that data can be written before data must be
written=
.

/Tom Kern



On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:16:23 -0400, Edward M. Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:

Hello Everyone,

These are new DS6800 FICON attached dasd.  All 3390 (mod 3 or mod 9).
Never used.  No residual data.

But I am getting the feeling is that FORMAT once to ensure that
everything is where it should be.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441


Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Thomas Kern
My management were old-time MVS sysprogs who never get to see the output
from those DASD subsystem initialization processes. They wanted to see
output that said our data can be written. They liked warm, fuzzy feelings

after being inundated by FUD during any purchase cycle. 

/Tom Kern


On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:32:30 -0400, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:

Hello Tom,

   As I read the DS6800 manual, it seems that the initial format
was suppose to do all these neat checks.

   The 2nd level system is mine for support and fun stuff.

   I had the improper format problem on the older EMC dasd.

   Really interesting abends and problems.

   I am getting a read on 'NO FORMAT' required.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441



Re: x3270 for OSA ICC

2008-04-30 Thread phillip
i am setting this up using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
i DL the source for x3270 and pulled out the missing fonts.
i had to convert them (bdftopcf) and then gzip them.
i copied them into the correct font directory and did dirfont or something 
like that 
to rebuild the font directory.
All to no avail - x3270 still does not pick them up. oh well.

it turns out that just changing the screen resolution and picking model 3 
actually gives us a workable console.

note: debian does have a separate package for the x3270 fonts, but it is 
just the same fonts that are in the main package in a smaller package so 
they
can be installed on a font server. i installed them, but it didn't get me 
the rest 
of the fonts.

prg

Phillip Gramly
Systems Programmer
Communications Data Group
Champaign, IL

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 
04/30/2008 04:40:32 AM:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  anyone using linux + x3270 for OSA ICC consoles?
  
  the latest xfonts-3270-misc does not include two of the larger fonts:
  3270gt24  3270gt32 
  any suggestions on other fonts to use on X 
  or how to get these larger fonts?
 
 What Linux distribution are you using? They seem to split up the
 various parts of the x3270 suite in different ways (core, X part,
 text/script part, fonts...). For Fedora Core 6 and RHEL4, the fonts
 (including 3270gt4) are in the x3270-x11 rpm and for SLES10 they're
 in the x3270 rpm. Check and see if your distro has broken the fonts
 out differently into some other package.
 
 --Malcolm
 
 -- 
 Malcolm Beattie
 System z SWG/STG, Europe
 IBM UK
 


Re: x3270 for OSA ICC

2008-04-30 Thread Mark Jacobs
Did you perform a XHOST FP REHASH command after you installed the fonts?
 
Mark Jacobs



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Subject: Re: x3270 for OSA ICC



i am setting this up using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS 
i DL the source for x3270 and pulled out the missing fonts. 
i had to convert them (bdftopcf) and then gzip them. 
i copied them into the correct font directory and did dirfont or
something like that 
to rebuild the font directory. 
All to no avail - x3270 still does not pick them up. oh well. 

it turns out that just changing the screen resolution and picking model
3 
actually gives us a workable console. 

note: debian does have a separate package for the x3270 fonts, but it is

just the same fonts that are in the main package in a smaller package so
they 
can be installed on a font server. i installed them, but it didn't get
me the rest 
of the fonts. 

prg

Phillip Gramly
Systems Programmer
Communications Data Group
Champaign, IL 

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on
04/30/2008 04:40:32 AM:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  anyone using linux + x3270 for OSA ICC consoles?
  
  the latest xfonts-3270-misc does not include two of the larger
fonts:
  3270gt24  3270gt32 
  any suggestions on other fonts to use on X 
  or how to get these larger fonts?
 
 What Linux distribution are you using? They seem to split up the
 various parts of the x3270 suite in different ways (core, X part,
 text/script part, fonts...). For Fedora Core 6 and RHEL4, the fonts
 (including 3270gt4) are in the x3270-x11 rpm and for SLES10 they're
 in the x3270 rpm. Check and see if your distro has broken the fonts
 out differently into some other package.
 
 --Malcolm
 
 -- 
 Malcolm Beattie
 System z SWG/STG, Europe
 IBM UK
 



Re: x3270 for OSA ICC

2008-04-30 Thread phillip
mark,

yes, that is one of the other things i did.
no joy.

prg

Phillip Gramly
Systems Programmer
Communications Data Group
Champaign, IL

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 
04/30/2008 04:52:49 PM:

 Did you perform a XHOST FP REHASH command after you installed the fonts?
 
 Mark Jacobs
 


Re: DDR to a second level system

2008-04-30 Thread Stracka, James (GTS)
Yep.  You hit the nail on the head.  Make sure there are no hardware errors 
that might bite you later.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Edward M. Martin
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:16 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DDR to a second level system


Hello Everyone,

These are new DS6800 FICON attached dasd.  All 3390 (mod 3 or mod 9).
Never used.  No residual data.

But I am getting the feeling is that FORMAT once to ensure that
everything is where it should be.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:28 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DDR to a second level system

On Wednesday, 04/30/2008 at 10:55 EDT, Tom Duerbusch 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And you are aware that you only need to do a CP FORMAT for CP ONLY 
volumes. 
 Regular CMS volumes nor other guest volumes need CP FORMAT done.
Doesn't 
hurt, 
 just a waste of time.

It's only a waste if you already formatted the volume to destroy
residual 
data.  Otherwise, you need to do it.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


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Looking for the VM WAVV presentations

2008-04-30 Thread Jan Canavan
 I believe that IBM puts their presentations on their site.  I found the VSE 
ones, but I don't found the one for VM.  Even the WAVV site points you to the 
VSE side of things.


I'm looking for the one that was for the HMC and setting up the profiles where 
you can see your machines.  It was with the zVM5.3

 tia



Jan Canavan
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VSE/VM SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER