Re: 'Approved' Change Techniques - Where Documented?

2010-09-07 Thread Jeff Gribbin
Hi Berry,
It would seem that we think along similar lines - I went to the Service
Guide and decided that SYSTEM NETID would be a replacement-maintained par
t -
but SES didn't seem very impressed when I followed the, 'replacement'
process in, 'Procedures for Local Service and Modifications' in Chapter 6

... (basically I just, 'followed the bouncing ball' - I won't (yet) put u
p
the individual steps that I took here but I can if that level of detail
becomes of interest).

I suspect that maybe SES doesn't actually know about SYSTEM NETID - I'm f
ar
from claiming to be any kind of SES expert (I have a working acquaintance

and have modified a few PPF's in my time but never delved too deeply) - b
ut
when I use VMFINFO to dig out information on (say) DMSIUX it feeds me bac
k
useful stuff but ask it about, 'SYSTEM' (in Serviceable Parts) / Part Fil
e
Name / Status of Object(s)) and it knows about, 'GSUBLLIB.SYSTEM' but
nothing that looks like SYSTEM NETID.

However, there IS a SYSTEM NETID on the BASE2 disk - which kind-of sugges
ts
that perhaps SES DOES know about it - hmm.  I need to learn a bit more ab
out
how the SES Inventory works so that I can confidently interrogate the
database and understand the answer when I ask it, 'Do you know about this

component or not?'

You are, of course, quite correct that SYSTEM NETID is trivial and any
self-respecting installation will have appropriate procedures for
maintaining trivia such as this outside of SES - however my current quest
 is
NOT practical or pragmatic - it's a quest for knowledge ... initially
simply, 'What's the IBM-recommended way of doing this?' (on the basis tha
t
this is the safest way to avoid being burned by any future IBM changes to

maintenance processes) but now I'm also beginning to ask, 'Hey - how DO I

get SES to do this?' (on the basis that, perhaps, ideally, SES should be
managing ALL system changes - even the trivial stuff). After all, why
re-invent the wheel and add my own software management layer if I can get

the standard one to do the work for me?

Thanks again for the feedback - if you should know for-sure how to ask SE
S
if it 'groks' SYSTEM NETID then I'd appreciate a hint g.

Jeff


SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Tom Huegel
Morning all,

In the past I used a downloaded utility that stored SDF spool files to a
mdisk and could restore them back to the spool.

Today I can't remember the name of the utility or where I downloaded it
from. I don't see anything on the IBM download site that rings a bell.

Does anyone know what I am looking for? Where can I find it?

Thanks
Tom


Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Mark Wheeler

Thomas,
 
Are you thinking of DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV? They work with ordinary DCSS's but 
not saved systems.
 
Mark Wheeler
UnitedHealth Group

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:26:01 -0700
From: tehue...@gmail.com
Subject: SDF
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU


Morning all,
 
In the past I used a downloaded utility that stored SDF spool files to a mdisk 
and could restore them back to the spool.
 
Today I can't remember the name of the utility or where I downloaded it from. I 
don't see anything on the IBM download site that rings a bell. 
 
Does anyone know what I am looking for? Where can I find it?
 
Thanks
Tom   

Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Tom Huegel
That sounds like it. At any rate it'll do the job.

Thanks

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thomas,

 Are you thinking of DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV? They work with ordinary DCSS's
 but not saved systems.

 Mark Wheeler
 UnitedHealth Group

 --

 Excellence. Always. If Not Excellence, What? If Not Excellence Now,
 When?
 Tom Peters, author of The Little BIG Things





 --
 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:26:01 -0700
 From: tehue...@gmail.com
 Subject: SDF
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU


 Morning all,

 In the past I used a downloaded utility that stored SDF spool files to a
 mdisk and could restore them back to the spool.

 Today I can't remember the name of the utility or where I downloaded it
 from. I don't see anything on the IBM download site that rings a bell.

 Does anyone know what I am looking for? Where can I find it?

 Thanks
 Tom



Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Mike Walter
Could you be thinking of Dave Jones' SFB (Spool File Backup) utility at:
http://www.vsoft-software.com/downloads.html

It's interesting to note that Dave suggested the IBM-distributed DCSSBKUP 
and DCSSRSAVE, but not his own free utility.  He's probably just to modest 
to toot his own horn

Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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On second thought maybe this isn't what I had in mind. I was pretty sure I 
could use generic names, or 'ALL' to backup everything. And SAVED 
SEGGMENTS worked too.. 
Or maybe I was dreaming.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com wrote:
That sounds like it. At any rate it'll do the job.
 
Thanks

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com 
wrote:
Thomas,
 
Are you thinking of DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV? They work with ordinary DCSS's 
but not saved systems.
 
Mark Wheeler
UnitedHealth Group

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When? 
Tom Peters, author of The Little BIG Things




 
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:26:01 -0700
From: tehue...@gmail.com
Subject: SDF
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 


Morning all,
 
In the past I used a downloaded utility that stored SDF spool files to a 
mdisk and could restore them back to the spool.
 
Today I can't remember the name of the utility or where I downloaded it 
from. I don't see anything on the IBM download site that rings a bell. 
 
Does anyone know what I am looking for? Where can I find it?
 
Thanks
Tom






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Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Rich Greenberg
On: Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:13:35AM -0700,Tom Huegel Wrote:

} On second thought maybe this isn't what I had in mind. I was pretty sure I
} could use generic names, or 'ALL' to backup everything. And SAVED SEGGMENTS
} worked too..
} Or maybe I was dreaming.

Perhaps your thinking of SPTAPE?

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Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Mark Wheeler

 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:13:35 -0700
 From: tehue...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: SDF
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU


 On second thought maybe this isn't what I had in mind. I was pretty sure I 
 could use generic names, or 'ALL' to backup everything. And 
 SAVED SEGGMENTS worked too.. 
 Or maybe I was dreaming.

 
VSEG-Plus does all that and more. It is a component of CA's VM:Spool, but that 
was never a free download. It includes a number of CP mods as well, which I'm 
pretty sure you would have remembered.
 
If you track down what you are looking for, let the rest of us know! Some of 
can't even use SPXTAPE because we don't have tape drives. 
 
Mark Wheeler
UnitedHealth Group

--
 
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Tom Peters, author of The Little BIG Things




 



  

Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Tom Huegel
Bullseye Mike. That's the one.
Dave should do a little more bragging, SFB is an excellent tool.
Thanks,
Tom

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:13:35 -0700
  From: tehue...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: SDF

  To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU


   On second thought maybe this isn't what I had in mind. I was pretty
 sure I could use generic names, or 'ALL' to backup everything. And
  SAVED SEGGMENTS worked too..
  Or maybe I was dreaming.


 VSEG-Plus does all that and more. It is a component of CA's VM:Spool, but
 that was never a free download. It includes a number of CP mods as well,
 which I'm pretty sure you would have remembered.

 If you track down what you are looking for, let the rest of us know!
 Some of can't even use SPXTAPE because we don't have tape drives.


 Mark Wheeler
 UnitedHealth Group

 --

 Excellence. Always. If Not Excellence, What? If Not Excellence Now,
 When?
 Tom Peters, author of The Little BIG Things





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Re: BookManager format softcopy

2010-09-07 Thread Graves Nora E
I really like the ability to search every book on the bookshelf for the
occurrence of what I'm looking up.  I've been known to search the older
versions first if the latest versions are only available in PDF (DB2 for
z/VM books in particular).  Once I narrow down the search, then I'll go
to the latest version of the book to find the current information. 

IMO, that's one of the things that has made the IBM documentation so
much more user-friendly than what is supplied by other vendors.


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Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:01 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: BookManager format softcopy

In order to reduce expenses, reduce the amount of time it takes to
produce 
softcopy documentation, and eliminate dependencies on 
soon-to-be-unsupported internal tools (nothing to do with BookManager
READ 
software), we are thinking about eliminating BOOK (.boo) files from z/VM

softcopy production.

The z/VM Information Center and PDF files would still be produced.

Does this create a hardship for anyone?  If not, no need to speak up.
If 
yes, details please.  If you prefer to respond offline, feel free.

Regards,
  Alan
 
z/VM Development (T - 13 days)
IBM Endicott


Removing SSL Support From z/VM 4.4

2010-09-07 Thread Rod Clayton
We have a z/VM 4.4 system which was setup to use Sine Nomine's Linux
guest to provide SSL tn3270 support.

It has broken, and I would just like to remove the feature so that
z/VM TCP/IP would just use regular tn3270.

We have gone to using BigIP to offload that stuff on other systems anyway.

Where would I find the directions to remove the SSL function?

Thanks,
Rod Clayton


Re: Removing SSL Support From z/VM 4.4

2010-09-07 Thread David Boyes
 We have a z/VM 4.4 system which was setup to use Sine Nomine's Linux
 guest to provide SSL tn3270 support.
 
 It has broken, and I would just like to remove the feature so that
 z/VM TCP/IP would just use regular tn3270.

What version of the guest? We have maintained it over time, so if you've got an 
old one, you may want to upgrade. 

 Where would I find the directions to remove the SSL function?

TCPIP Administrators Guide. Reverse the steps to enable it. 

-- db


Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread Richard Troth
This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
with Velocity Software.

When I interviewed at Nationwide in late 2005, Paul Henry (then
director over the mainframe guys) put it this way [insert thick
Bostonian accent here] - We're serious about virtualization..  And
so it is.  Nationwide is a heavy user of z/VM and Linux on System z,
then as now doing very cool stuff with V12N.

Working with Rick Barlow and James Vincent has been the most rewarding
part of the job.  Those of you know know them by their reputations
(through the VM and zLinux community and/or through SHARE) can only
imagine what was my reality over the past four and one half years. And
the team around us (whom most of you do not know) is phenominal: the
most committed group I have thus far been privileged to be a part of.
I will miss them.

But now the time has come for me to go back to the development side of
this game, supporting the software that makes virtualization actually
work.  If you can't measure it ... well, you know.  So I am elated
that on the 20th I'll start with Velocity, a company I have always
respected with products of renown.  I am stoked!

-- R;   


Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Troth
 Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:21 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Moving On
 
 This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
 with Velocity Software.
 
 When I interviewed at Nationwide in late 2005, Paul Henry (then
 director over the mainframe guys) put it this way [insert thick
 Bostonian accent here] - We're serious about virtualization..  And
 so it is.  Nationwide is a heavy user of z/VM and Linux on System z,
 then as now doing very cool stuff with V12N.
 
 Working with Rick Barlow and James Vincent has been the most rewarding
 part of the job.  Those of you know know them by their reputations
 (through the VM and zLinux community and/or through SHARE) can only
 imagine what was my reality over the past four and one half years. And
 the team around us (whom most of you do not know) is phenominal: the
 most committed group I have thus far been privileged to be a part of.
 I will miss them.
 
 But now the time has come for me to go back to the development side of
 this game, supporting the software that makes virtualization actually
 work.  If you can't measure it ... well, you know.  So I am elated
 that on the 20th I'll start with Velocity, a company I have always
 respected with products of renown.  I am stoked!
 
 -- R;   
 

WOW. I am very jealous. Despite never having been in development, I loved VM 
when I was a sysprog on it (1980s). And I like Linux on my desktop and LAN at 
home. This place has some liking for Linux, but not zEnterprise.

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Backup Problem

2010-09-07 Thread Mario Izaguirre
Hello everyone:

I'm wanting to backup the VSE POWER queue and when I execute the BACKUP command 
I get this error in the system console.

I have z/VSE 4.2.1 running under Z/VM 5.4, how rare in other virtual machines 
do not I get this error.

Any idea to solve this?

 



Thank you in advance.

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Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread Moore, Terry A.
Rick Troth wrote: 
This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
with Velocity Software. ...

Best of luck, Rick. 

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IT Project Manager - VM Elimination :-(
The Timken Company  

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Re: Removing SSL Support From z/VM 4.4

2010-09-07 Thread Rod Clayton
David,

I didn't think you guys were still maintaining it for the older
systems (z/VM 4.4 on MP3K).

Rod

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:04 PM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:
 What version of the guest? We have maintained it over time, so if you've got 
 an old one, you may want to upgrade.
 -- db



Re: Removing SSL Support From z/VM 4.4

2010-09-07 Thread David Boyes
 I didn't think you guys were still maintaining it for the older
 systems (z/VM 4.4 on MP3K).

We sure are. We just aren't doing one for the new systems that no longer use 
the Linux-based SSL (because, well, they don't use it). 
It still can't fix the basic scalability design problems with the early SSL 
code (OCO, anyone?), but the newer versions are a little lighter weight for 
what it does. 

You can still get support, too. 

--d b


Re: Backup Problem

2010-09-07 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/07/2010 at 01:30 EDT, Mario Izaguirre 
mizagui...@circulo.es wrote:
 I'm wanting to backup the VSE POWER queue and when I execute the BACKUP 
command 
 I get this error in the system console.

Mario, I think your question is best posted to VSE-L, or, even better, 
given to the IBM Support Center.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: BookManager format softcopy

2010-09-07 Thread Jonathan R Nolting

I agree.  The bookshelf search is something that I use all the time as
well.  I can't seem to get similar search results using the other
documentation media.

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  From:   Graves Nora E nora.e.gra...@irs.gov
   
  To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU  
   
  Date:   09/07/2010 08:20 AM  
   
  Subject:Re: BookManager format softcopy  
   
  Sent by:The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU  
   





I really like the ability to search every book on the bookshelf for the
occurrence of what I'm looking up.  I've been known to search the older
versions first if the latest versions are only available in PDF (DB2 for
z/VM books in particular).  Once I narrow down the search, then I'll go
to the latest version of the book to find the current information.

IMO, that's one of the things that has made the IBM documentation so
much more user-friendly than what is supplied by other vendors.


Nora Graves
nora.e.gra...@irs.gov
Main IRS, Room 6531
(202) 622-6735
Fax (202) 622-3123
SE:W:CAR:MP:D:KS:BRSI

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:01 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: BookManager format softcopy

In order to reduce expenses, reduce the amount of time it takes to
produce
softcopy documentation, and eliminate dependencies on
soon-to-be-unsupported internal tools (nothing to do with BookManager
READ
software), we are thinking about eliminating BOOK (.boo) files from z/VM

softcopy production.

The z/VM Information Center and PDF files would still be produced.

Does this create a hardship for anyone?  If not, no need to speak up.
If
yes, details please.  If you prefer to respond offline, feel free.

Regards,
  Alan

z/VM Development (T - 13 days)
IBM Endicott



Re: SDF

2010-09-07 Thread Dave Jones

Thanks for the kind words Tom and Mike.

One reason I didn't mention SFB is that I know it still has some bugs in 
it when it comes to restoring saved NSS like GCSit seems to handle 
CMS and Linux NSS (at least for SLES11), OK, but GCS isn't restored 
correctly.


The other types of spool data (IMG, RDR/PRT/PUN, NLS, etc.) can be 
backed up and restored without problem.


One handy feature of SFB is that it backs up all RDR/PRT/PUN files for a 
specific user into one easy to manipulate CMS file. Individual spool 
files can be restored back out of the CMS file as well.


Have a good one.

DJ

On 9/7/2010 9:40 AM, Tom Huegel wrote:

Bullseye Mike. That's the one.
Dave should do a little more bragging, SFB is an excellent tool.
Thanks,
Tom

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Mark Wheelermwheele...@hotmail.com  wrote:


Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:13:35 -0700
From: tehue...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: SDF



To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU



On second thought maybe this isn't what I had in mind. I was pretty
sure I could use generic names, or 'ALL' to backup everything. And

SAVED SEGGMENTS worked too..
Or maybe I was dreaming.



VSEG-Plus does all that and more. It is a component of CA's VM:Spool, but
that was never a free download. It includes a number of CP mods as well,
which I'm pretty sure you would have remembered.

If you track down what you are looking for, let the rest of us know!
Some of can't even use SPXTAPE because we don't have tape drives.


Mark Wheeler
UnitedHealth Group

--

Excellence. Always. If Not Excellence, What? If Not Excellence Now,
When?
Tom Peters, author of The Little BIG Things





--






Re: BookManager format softcopy

2010-09-07 Thread David Boyes
The key trick to getting around this with PDFs is to have access to a full copy 
of Acrobat and regularly run 'pdfindex' to generate an index file for all your 
PDF documents. You can give that index file to the PDF reader, and your 
searches will work more like the Bookie ones (cross-book and intra-book).  I'd 
distribute my index file, but pdfindex generates a file with absolute paths in 
it, so you'd have to organize your books the same way I do for it to be useful.

-- db


From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan R Nolting
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:44 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: BookManager format softcopy


I agree. The bookshelf search is something that I use all the time as well. I 
can't seem to get similar search results using the other documentation media.



Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread David Boyes
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
 Behalf Of Richard Troth
 This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
 with Velocity Software.

At this rate, expect the (hostile?) take-over bid for IGS any day now.

Congrats, Rick. 

-- db


Re: BookManager format softcopy

2010-09-07 Thread Scott Rohling
Google Desktop seems to work fine for me at searching PDF's and other
documents..  and searches my google mail where I archive all these mailing
lists...

Scott Rohling

p.s.  And there's a Linux version for people like me :-)

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:

  The key trick to getting around this with PDFs is to have access to a
 full copy of Acrobat and regularly run ‘pdfindex’ to generate an index file
 for all your PDF documents. You can give that index file to the PDF reader,
 and your searches will work more like the Bookie ones (cross-book and
 intra-book).  I’d distribute my index file, but pdfindex generates a file
 with absolute paths in it, so you’d have to organize your books the same way
 I do for it to be useful.



 -- db





 *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] *On
 Behalf Of *Jonathan R Nolting
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:44 PM

 *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 *Subject:* Re: BookManager format softcopy



 I agree. The bookshelf search is something that I use all the time as well.
 I can't seem to get similar search results using the other documentation
 media.




Re: BookManager format softcopy

2010-09-07 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/07/2010 at 11:25 EDT, Graves Nora E nora.e.gra...@irs.gov 
wrote:
 I really like the ability to search every book on the bookshelf for the
 occurrence of what I'm looking up.  I've been known to search the older
 versions first if the latest versions are only available in PDF (DB2 for
 z/VM books in particular).  Once I narrow down the search, then I'll go
 to the latest version of the book to find the current information.
 
 IMO, that's one of the things that has made the IBM documentation so
 much more user-friendly than what is supplied by other vendors.

That is what I do with the Information Center at 
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v6r1/index.jsp.  It searches 
all the books.  I agree that it isn't perfect by any means and, yes, as 
others have said, some of the VM books have antiquated TOCs that don't do 
well in an e-environment, but they suffer in Bookmanager, too.   I don't 
like going to a section 1.1 only to find that it is a single sentence or 
tiny paragraph with links to 1.1.1, 1.1.2, and 1.1.3.

And then some books have the same section titles, which can be confusing. 
E.g. the TCP/IP User's Guide and the LDAP Admin book both have a section 
titled SSL Certificate/Key Management and SSL Tracing Information. But, 
again, that's nothing specific to Information Center.

I'm also not a fan of books with Part 1, 2, 3, etc, unlessf you've got a 
2000-page book split into multiple PDFs as the IEEE does for large 
standards.

I am going to be honest and say that, so far, I haven't seen a compelling 
reason that IBM should continue to invest in generating BOOK files. What 
you *have* convinced me of is that a portion of any contemplated savings 
should be redirected to improvements in:
- TOC simplification and consistency (avoid useless divisions of 
information)
- PDF bookshelf and search enhancements
-  Better education within the context of the Library on how to 
effectively access it with available tools.  I mean, I had just learned 
about the Advanced Linguistic Plug-in a few days before Michael Forte and 
others posted on the subject..  Who knew?
- A Linux version of the Information Center
- Better bulk packaging of the Library so that it is easily moved around.
- New formats for mobile and e-book devices.  There oughtta be an app for 
that, eh?
- Tools to transform BOOK files into reasonable PDFs, even if only a 
meager EXPORT function in BookManager READ.
and that it might be good to have some of these addressed before BOOKs are 
removed.

In the interests of full disclosure, I too use BOOK files and shelves for 
some of the same reasons as many of you do and am not looking forward to 
learning new tricks. (woof!!) 

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: BookManager format softcopy

2010-09-07 Thread David Boyes
More feedback (1 = gotta have it now, 4 = when you have a lot of free time)

 - TOC simplification and consistency (avoid useless divisions of
 information)

3. We're used to it by now, and the PDF manuals don't really exhibit this 
problem too badly. 

 - PDF bookshelf and search enhancements

2.

 -  Better education within the context of the Library on how to
 effectively access it with available tools.  I mean, I had just learned
 about the Advanced Linguistic Plug-in a few days before Michael Forte
 and
 others posted on the subject..  Who knew?

4. Stop inventing custom tools for this. Stick to common stuff like PDF and 
ePub. Everyone else has. 

 - A Linux version of the Information Center

4. If you must. BTW, there is a open-source Linux version of pdfindex. 

 - Better bulk packaging of the Library so that it is easily moved
 around.

2. A write-locked USB drive or SD card format would be handy. A 32G SD card 
will hold the entire z/OS and z/VM (and most of the z/VSE) libraries 
(recommended accessory before you go out in the field, Alan...). 

 - New formats for mobile and e-book devices.  There oughtta be an app
 for
 that, eh?

1. There are very good PDF and ePub readers already out there. 

 - Tools to transform BOOK files into reasonable PDFs, even if only a
 meager EXPORT function in BookManager READ.

Can I wish for a LIST3820 to PDF converter too? Even if it produces crappy 
rasterized 200 dpi page images in the PDF, there is a need. 

 and that it might be good to have some of these addressed before BOOKs
 are
 removed.

+1.


Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread Peter . Webb
Irish Georgian Society?

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 This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
 with Velocity Software.

At this rate, expect the (hostile?) take-over bid for IGS any day
now.

Congrats, Rick. 

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Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread zMan
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM,  peter.w...@ttc.ca wrote:
 Irish Georgian Society?

Ibm Global Services. Or whatever it's called this week.
-- 
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Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread Gregg Levine
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com wrote:
 Cute. What about (my roots) Irish German Society, or Italian Greek, or...
 lets just not go any farther.  It's not germane to the IBMVM listserver.

 But really: IBM Global Services - the consulting arm of IBM.  That would
 require a very large check indeed.

 Mike Walter
 Hewitt Associates
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 Irish Georgian Society?

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 This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
 with Velocity Software.

 At this rate, expect the (hostile?) take-over bid for IGS any day
 now.

 Congrats, Rick.

 -- db

Hello!
Yes indeed, Mazal Tov Rick.

And for that to happen regarding IGS it was also take a huge amount of cheek.
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Re: Moving On

2010-09-07 Thread Tom Huegel
Now I expect even better stuff from Velosity.
They are lucky to get you.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Moore, Terry A. t.mo...@timken.com wrote:

 Rick Troth wrote:
 This month, I will be leaving Nationwide Insurance and taking up work
 with Velocity Software. ...

 Best of luck, Rick.

 Terry A. Moore
 IT Project Manager - VM Elimination :-(
 The Timken Company

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