Re: Question about SSL Service
Dave, At this point what you need to do is follow the System Installation instructions which will walk you through the steps to create the sfs files and directory entries needed. Doing the service put2prod did not hurt anything, the reason that you should not have run the put2prod is because without additional directory entries sfs files as well as system DTCPARMS, etc. SSL WILL NOT RUN . So if you just make the directory changes continue with the additional steps in the instructions you will be all set. Jim P. On 11/22/10 5:47 PM, Dave Keeton dave.kee...@state.or.us wrote: I applied the PTFs UK59535 UM33112 (as designated in PK97437) for z/VM 5.4 SSL today, but ran PUT2PROD before reading all the instructions as I should have. The USER DIRECT entries were not present when I ran it (I know, boneheaded maneuver). As a result, I believe the step for creating the SFS entries didn't get completed. Can I run SERVICE again and will it create the VMSYS:TCPMAINT.SSLPOOL_SSL filepool and subsequent enrollment, or do I need to do more research on creating this manually? Thanks, Dave Keeton
OSA port1 affects port0
Hi Listers, We have two VM's on one z10. Both VM's have identical configurations. - vswitch1, connected to port0 on OSA EB (primary) and EC (backup) - vswitch2, connected to port1 on OSA EB (primary) and EC (backup) - vswitch3, connected to port1 on OSA EB (backup) and EB (primary) Some months ago we noticed that almost no traffic was running on vswitch1 . Several database connections timed out and sshterminals had very poor res ponse. As it turned out a large load on vswitch2 (backup of a 20G file) prevente d OSA port0 to run it's normal load. It looks like that port1 has priority over port0. When connecting to the second LPAR, there is no problem. So it looks like a problem with running load in one LPAR (VM) on the two ports on the one OS A at the same time. At this moment we have moved vswitch2 and vswitch3 to OSA EC and vswitch1 is still connected to EB. But in the current setup we don't have the regular failover we used to have. What can we do, other than buy some additional OSA's? (Yes, there is a PM R for both IBM software and IBM hardware but that's taking quite some time now.) TIA, Berry.
OS/390 2.10 under z/VM V6 on z196
Hi, Someone has running this environment or similar to this: HW: z196 SW: z/VM V6 and under this running a OS/390 2.10 with CICS 2.2 + DB2 V7. -- *Regards Jose Munoz skype: jmunoz61*
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Perceptive choice of words, prepared to admit. The GUI is another terrific bit of work by the Endicott team that we turned our noses up at. It uses the same agent as ... shoot ... ISPF, I think. So the last time I ran it (on 5.4, within the past year) I had to steal an agent from one of the MVS guys. But, yeah, it worked. The agent requires that something be installed on your workstation, therefore getting users ramped up is a little clunky. These days, they just want a browser, but they forget the requirements which all browsers impose. Then again, the browsers address a serious deployment requirement. Nicely integrated with CMS MT, the CMS GUI happily runs in the background while you get your CMS Ready; prompt back. And XEDIT on a GUI is cool, if a bit strange. HUGE GAPING HOLES in what is present -vs- what is needed. I blame us, the customers. We have whined about some really slick innovation that came out of the VM lab. We should have embraced it, found uses the designers could not envision, and demanded improvements. For my part, I whined loudly about OpenVM (a related feature) when it first hit (about the same time). Nick Gimbrone rightly chastised me for engaging my mouth before my brain was in gear. Later, I recognized the value of OVM and have been singing its praises for more almost 15 years now. The GUI is probably not nearly as useful. My point is that they are both undervalued assets in CMS. If your young apprentices are wanting a better interface, maybe they'll be pleased to drive some work through a web server. I can recommend one. :-) Q: what exactly do we have in VM/CMS? A: the most robust virtual machine hypervisor in existence coupled with the most efficient application development environment available. The number of ways to interface with either is more than I can count. Surely your junior sysprogs can employ their imagination and come up with something to their liking. -- R; Rick Troth Velocity Software http://www.velocitysoftware.com/ On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:54, Jeff Gribbin jeff.grib...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that shipped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first time actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. The best I've been able to find in the way of IBM documentation is: http://www.vm.ibm.com/gui/ I found an interesting reference to a 2004 z/VM GUI project - http://web2.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/zTeam/zvmgui/ but alas that seems to have since sunk without trace. So ... a few questions ... Anybody using it? Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? This is purely a personal learning exercise triggered by the aforementioned conversation and my recent exposure to young sysprogs ( 25 years old) who tend to love what CP and CMS can do but fall about laughing whenever the user interface is discussed. All comments gratefully received. Regards Jeff
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Hi, Jeff. Yes, the VM GUI facility still exists. On 11/23/2010 06:54 AM, Jeff Gribbin wrote: Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that shipped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first time actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. [snip.] So ... a few questions ... Anybody using it? Yes, several folks are still using it (I'm one of them, btw). The most active user that I know of is Kris Buelens in Belgium ((kris.buel...@gmail.com). He's written a number of very nice (imho) GUI interfaces for monitoring and managing collections of z/VM systems that he has made availabel off of the IBM VM Web download page. They might be a good place to start showing your young sysprogs that VM can support such a point and click interface. Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Yes, I will admit to that.:-) Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? Nope, it's not being supported by IBM any moreuse it at your own risk, ymmv, may cause drowsiness if taken with alcohol, do not operate heavy machinery for 3 hours after taking (how much does a z10 weigh, anyway?), etc. etc. This is purely a personal learning exercise triggered by the aforementioned conversation and my recent exposure to young sysprogs ( 25 years old) who tend to love what CP and CMS can do but fall about laughing whenever the user interface is discussed. All comments gratefully received. General thoughts 1) to get the most out of the GUI and applications built on top of it, it really needs to be run on OS/2 platform (or OS/2's follow on system, eComStation). I keep an old Dell laptop system here, running eCS, just so I can run GUI apps there. 2) the client side agent (the so-called workstation agent WSA) is the same agent as is used by ISPF to support it's off-loading of editing functions to a PC. I *think* that may still be under IBM support, but I'm not sure. 3) at one point in time the WSA ran on Windows (Windows 95? Windows NT?), but I don't know if it would run on a more modern Windows system. 4) If you are considering writing your own GUI applications, get Kris's GUIWIRE code from the IBM VM download page; it's a major help in developing the program logic flow (the wiring). Hope this helps, and Happy Thanksgiving, too. Regards Jeff -- Dave Jones V/Soft Software www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people who can't type. In the mainframe world and particularly z/VM you not only need to know how to *type* but also *think* the old shibboleth of IBM, which made it great, and which George Bernard Shaw claimed occurs among us only once or twice a year, though he claimed he could think once a week. GUI is *smoke and mirrors*, dream stuff. OTOH, Mainframe, *Green Screen*, or whatever is a real operating system which does the thinking, really processing, since computers can't think, behind the GUI curtain. Jeff Gribbin jeff.grib...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/23/2010 07:54 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that ship ped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first t ime actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. The best I've been able to find in the way of IBM documentation is: http://www.vm.ibm.com/gui/ I found an interesting reference to a 2004 z/VM GUI project - http://web2.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/zTeam/zvmgui/ but alas that seems to have since sunk without trace. So ... a few questions ... Anybody using it? Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? This is purely a personal learning exercise triggered by the aforemention ed conversation and my recent exposure to young sysprogs ( 25 years old) wh o tend to love what CP and CMS can do but fall about laughing whenever the user interface is discussed. All comments gratefully received. Regards Jeff
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
The VM/CMS GUI was interesting in it's day as an end user tool. Today, user interface technology is far beyond what it could ever have dreamed of. Also, the interaction available with the system (z/VM) has grown up many fold. Systems Programmers can choose to use a GUI or the green screen, which ever suits them. Of course, using the GUI hides (read:protects) the Systems Programmer from potential pitfalls of their craft. Advanced sysprogs may or may not appreciate this, but novices will certainly benefit from such advances in these user interfaces. On 11/23/2010 09:19 AM, George Henke/NYLIC wrote: Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people who can't type. In the mainframe world and particularly z/VM you not only need to know how to *type* but also *think* the old shibboleth of IBM, which made it great, and which George Bernard Shaw claimed occurs among us only once or twice a year, though he claimed he could think once a week. GUI is *smoke and mirrors*, dream stuff. OTOH, Mainframe, *Green Screen*, or whatever is a real operating system which does the thinking, really processing, since computers can't think, behind the GUI curtain. -- Rich Smrcina Velocity Software, Inc. Mobile: 414-491-6001 Office: 262-392-3717 http://www.velocitysoftware.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 - April 15-19, 2011 Colorado Springs, CO
Re: Question about SSL Service
Dave, The following link describes the steps you need to do in addition to what the SSLPOOL PLAN option describes. http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/tcpip/tcspeins.html Jim P. On 11/23/10 10:46 AM, Dave Keeton dave.kee...@state.or.us wrote: Thanks, Mike. I tried to restart using that option, but it complained that a $RESTART file was not found. I was able to run service again like last time, just using SERVICE ALL and it appeared to complete successfully. My problem now is deciphering exactly WHAT needs to be changed in SSL to get it working again. I ran SSLPOOL with the PLAN option and got a list of changes that needed to be made - made them, but I still get errors when TCPIP starts: DTCRUN1022I Console log will be sent to default owner ID: TCPMAINT DMSACR1184E Directory VMSYS:TCPMAINT.SSLPOOL_SSL not found or you are not authorized for it DTCRUN1001E VMLINK .DIR VMSYS:TCPMAINT.SSLPOOL_SSL . A FORCERW failed with return code 2100 DTCRUN1099E Server not started - correct problem and retry I even went so far as to roll through a refresh of the BFS filespaces found here: http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/tcpip/tcsslini.html Dave On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 16:57 -0600, Mike Walter wrote: Dave, Issue: HELP VMSES SERVICE then look for the RESTART doc and give it a try. Trying=Learning. :-) (Sometimes the Trying=Learning hard way, but this should not be one of those cases) Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Dave Keeton dave.kee...@state.or.us Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/22/2010 04:47 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Question about SSL Service I applied the PTFs UK59535 UM33112 (as designated in PK97437) for z/VM 5.4 SSL today, but ran PUT2PROD before reading all the instructions as I should have. The USER DIRECT entries were not present when I ran it (I know, boneheaded maneuver). As a result, I believe the step for creating the SFS entries didn't get completed. Can I run SERVICE again and will it create the VMSYS:TCPMAINT.SSLPOOL_SSL filepool and subsequent enrollment, or do I need to do more research on creating this manually? Thanks, Dave Keeton The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Attachment to acquire Novell....
And don't forget the most overpriced 3270 product. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:22 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: From my personal viewpoint, I will hope that it means they may see a need for a more advanced 3270 emulator for the Linux desktop. x3270 works, but is a PITA to configure, IMO. I'd be willing to pay Windows prices for an excellent TN3270E emulator. Please, no wine! Don’t hold your breath. The 3270 emulator market is mature and Linux folks are not that likely to pay money for something that they can get for free. Besides, Attachmate has one of the worst products out there – bloated, confusing, and buggy as heck. I'd be afraid to see what they'd do to a Linux product... -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Anybody using it? Sort of. Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Kris Bulens is the master dude of CMS GUI stuff. Dave Jones and I did some stuff with it a few years back and there are some cool example bits on the VM Download Library, but the clients have all but disappeared, the Mac one no longer runs, the Windows one no longer runs post-XP, and there never was a Linux one, AFAIK. I doubt the Solaris and AIX ones still work as well. Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? It's still there and still works, but the clients haven't been touched in ages and aren't maintained at all AFAICT. They use the same line protocol as the z/OS ISPF GUI, but that isn't maintained much either. I believe Sir Alan indicated a while back that it is no longer considered strategic, so don't expect upgrades, etc. I wouldn't build anything new based on it.
Re: OS/390 2.10 under z/VM V6 on z196
HW: z196 SW: z/VM V6 and under this running a OS/390 2.10 with CICS 2.2 + DB2 V7. I've done some minimal testing with an environment almost that old (z/OS 1.2) on a z196. Results were not positive. It didn't like the z196 channel subsystem setup at all. I'd guess that it might work on a 1 book system (emphasis on MIGHT), but I'd say that it's time to upgrade.
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Ok, Sorry George, I (who can type) find that offensive. The biggest challenge the z/vm platform has to grow is lack of people that understand 3270, or are even interested. Or do y'all want the platform to die as us people that can type get old, retire? vmware is winning the battle world wide with their gui and now are the base line for virtualization. So we either conform to how the world has changed, or be the dinasour they think we are. If you look at http://vm2.velocitysoftware.com/zpro;, this is our demo system of what we're going to ship as ZPRO. ZPRO started as a simple cloning tool, but now has turned into a project to address z/VM's real needs, hoping to attract the minds and hearts of future generations. George Henke/NYLIC wrote: Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people who can't type. In the mainframe world and particularly z/VM you not only need to know how to *type* but also *think* the old shibboleth of IBM, which made it great, and which George Bernard Shaw claimed occurs among us only once or twice a year, though he claimed he could think once a week. GUI is *smoke and mirrors*, dream stuff. OTOH, Mainframe, *Green Screen*, or whatever is a real operating system which does the thinking, really processing, since computers can't think, behind the GUI curtain. *Jeff Gribbin jeff.grib...@gmail.com* Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/23/2010 07:54 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that ship ped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first t ime actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. The best I've been able to find in the way of IBM documentation is: http://www.vm.ibm.com/gui/ I found an interesting reference to a 2004 z/VM GUI project - http://web2.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/zTeam/zvmgui/ but alas that seems to have since sunk without trace. So ... a few questions ... Anybody using it? Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? This is purely a personal learning exercise triggered by the aforemention ed conversation and my recent exposure to young sysprogs ( 25 years old) wh o tend to love what CP and CMS can do but fall about laughing whenever the user interface is discussed. All comments gratefully received. Regards Jeff
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Regards, Richard Schuh Advanced sysprogs may or may not appreciate this, but novices will certainly benefit from such advances in these user interfaces. As can those who are keyboard challenged, regardless of their experience level.
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
On 11/23/2010 at 10:19 AM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people who can't type. If you really believe that, then I would like to hear your reaction after giving up your 3270 emulator and doing all your work from a 2714. Mark Post
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
He said he liked typing, not killing trees... -- Bob Nix On 11/23/10 1:30 PM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote: On 11/23/2010 at 10:19 AM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people who can't type. If you really believe that, then I would like to hear your reaction after giving up your 3270 emulator and doing all your work from a 2714. Mark Post
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Ah, the halycion days of the 2714 and 2260, before all this jazz, I remember it well. Earlier this year I had an opportunity to return to those callow years by working again as an COBOL application programmer for a client who had installed FEPI on a massive CICS/DB2 application. They did this so they could *dumb down* the end user job description and hire less expensive customer service staff who only needed to *point and click*, not *type* or even think for that matter. The FEPI application they used was a vendor package that did little more than screen scraping to produce the desired GUI effect. For some strange reason, management simply could not understand why their CPU time had grown astronomically while their transaction volumes had decreased significantly. They were outsourced to IBM and therefore very CPU cost conscious. The increase in CPU time coincided precisely with the cutover from *green screen* to FEPI. The problem was that the FEPI program created transaction paths through scores of CICS *green screens*, so that when the end user clicked a few icons to process just 1 transaction, it triggered dozens of CICS *green screens*, ie CICS transactions. This was very obvious in emulator mode. When you clicked just a few icons to enter a transaction you could see dozens for CICS screens fly by under the covers. So any savings in hiring less expensive customer service staff was more than absorbed by the enormous increase in CPU time charges from IBM. But that was nothing compared with the editing problems introduced by all this into the COBOL application programs. It seems when the vendor installed the *screen scraping* they failed to incorporate the BMS map field editing rules in their window filtering and under FEPI,, BMS is turned off. So the end result was numerous 0C7's because the underlying COBOL application code was expecting BMS to check numeric fields for IF NUMERIC, but BMS was not longer in the picture, no pun intended ;-). So we all spent much of our time adding editing logic into the application programs which had formerly been performed very efficiently by BMS and which now had to be done in the code because the FEPI screen scraper had preempted BMS and failed to incorporate the filtering. It was a very labor-intensive, time-consuming, inefficient process and use of time by both man and machine with a long change control process to go through to implement each fix. All because the end user did not feel like typing or thinking. There is a price to be paid for such a luxury. And . . . All that glitters is not gold as this case proved. This company had previously tried to convert their legacy COBOL CICS/DB2 application to client server and failed and had finally resigned themselves and formalized it into company strategic policy, to stay with mainframe COBOL architecture. OOP, UNIX, SQL Server, etc, etc, simply could not do the processing the old structured COBOL CICS/DB2 did. OOP has been likened to going through airport security. FEPI was just an attempt to put lipstick on the pig because they could not convert the *pig*. One insurance company I know had some nice new GUI applications, but still had *green screen* for their old main insurance application. I asked them why they had not *put lipstick on this pig*? They said they had thought of doing so, but had done rigorous time and motion studies and had just found that 3270 *green screen* was ergnomically more efficient, at least for this application, if not in general. The idea in the FEPI situation was to *dumb down* the customer service job so the end user did not have to type or even do much thinking. Ergo, GUI is for people who can't type and to some extent either can't or ,at least, don't think. But please do not be offended, because that is not necessarily a bad thing. As other listers have well pointed out, it does open the door for many others who might otherwise not have had a job and it provides a seamless path to higher skills for those who are conscientious enough to take advantage of the opportunity. Nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so Shakespeare RPN01 nix.rob...@mayo.edu Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/23/2010 02:33 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? He said he liked typing, not killing trees... -- Bob Nix On 11/23/10 1:30 PM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote: On 11/23/2010 at 10:19 AM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people who can't type. If you really believe that, then I would like to hear your reaction after giving up your 3270 emulator and doing all your work from a 2714. Mark Post
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
Hello! Sadly Jeff, I am prepared to admit to nothing. However seeing the webpage brought about an interesting thing. About the time it surfaced I participated in a round of discussions concerning IBM's attempts to write software for both sides via a GUI. I believe it was called Value Age, or something of a sort, its way before Eclipse. Anyway the page more or less confirmed it when it showed that the only downloads for it were for OS/2 and Windows 95, which certainly agreed with the resulting discussions. Incidentally I did see a series of other related downloads, some of them were in fact tagged as coming from this august gathering. Just for fun I am tempted to assemble a virtual machine containing either OS/2 or Win95 and see what does happen and why. --- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@att.net This signature is not the same one. Move along! Move along! -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Gribbin Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that shipped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first time actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. The best I've been able to find in the way of IBM documentation is: http://www.vm.ibm.com/gui/ I found an interesting reference to a 2004 z/VM GUI project - http://web2.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/zTeam/zvmgui/ but alas that seems to have since sunk without trace. So ... a few questions ... Anybody using it? Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? This is purely a personal learning exercise triggered by the aforementioned conversation and my recent exposure to young sysprogs ( 25 years old) who tend to love what CP and CMS can do but fall about laughing whenever the user interface is discussed. All comments gratefully received. Regards Jeff
Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?
The WSA still runs fine on Windows/XP. It has more errors than the WSA under OS/2, but is is usable well. What I couldn't get to work here on Windows/XP is the WSA GUI builder, that runs only on OS/2. Creating C/SGUI apps without the builder can be done, with a lot calls to the various DT commands in REXX for example. But, Guy De Ceulaer and I created also a subroutine to make it easier to create panels without the builder. My CPQUERY too uses that. GUIWIRE supposes you create the panels with the builder, and only in these conditions can it help you a lot. There is a redbook about it, but GUIWIRE was created later, so it is not described in it. Other of my subroutines are, and an enhanced version of it is it in my GUISKEL package. But, GUIWIRE is much better than GUISKEL. 2010/11/23 Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@att.net Hello! Sadly Jeff, I am prepared to admit to nothing. However seeing the webpage brought about an interesting thing. About the time it surfaced I participated in a round of discussions concerning IBM's attempts to write software for both sides via a GUI. I believe it was called Value Age, or something of a sort, its way before Eclipse. Anyway the page more or less confirmed it when it showed that the only downloads for it were for OS/2 and Windows 95, which certainly agreed with the resulting discussions. Incidentally I did see a series of other related downloads, some of them were in fact tagged as coming from this august gathering.b Just for fun I am tempted to assemble a virtual machine containing either OS/2 or Win95 and see what does happen and why. --- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@att.net This signature is not the same one. Move along! Move along! -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Gribbin Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that shipped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first time actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. The best I've been able to find in the way of IBM documentation is: http://www.vm.ibm.com/gui/ I found an interesting reference to a 2004 z/VM GUI project - http://web2.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/zTeam/zvmgui/ but alas that seems to have since sunk without trace. So ... a few questions ... Anybody using it? Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Anybody know if it's still maintained in any current form? This is purely a personal learning exercise triggered by the aforementioned conversation and my recent exposure to young sysprogs ( 25 years old) who tend to love what CP and CMS can do but fall about laughing whenever the user interface is discussed. All comments gratefully received. Regards Jeff -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
