Re: IBM sues PSI
P. Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think they will ever target Hercules, even if someone puts out a commercial product with it. Does anyone know what PSI is using under the covers? A horrid thought just occurred to me that it might BE Hercules. It is not -- they went on at length at SHARE about the technology a couple of years ago, and it's definitely not Herc. ...phsiii
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PSI is a true micro-code implementation. The chip they are using allows the definitions of new instruction codes on the chip. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Phil Smith III Sent: 12/06/2006 05:52 AM P. Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think they will ever target Hercules, even if someone puts out a commercial product with it. Does anyone know what PSI is using under the covers? A horrid thought just occurred to me that it might BE Hercules. It is not -- they went on at length at SHARE about the technology a couple of years ago, and it's definitely not Herc. ...phsiii
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Before I get jumped on, the term micro-code implementation is a very simple term that means different things to different people. I was trying to just say, it's a completely different approach than Herc or other emulators. I don't want to get into a tit-for-tat discussion of the technology. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Tony Thigpen Sent: 12/06/2006 07:24 AM PSI is a true micro-code implementation. The chip they are using allows the definitions of new instruction codes on the chip. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Phil Smith III Sent: 12/06/2006 05:52 AM P. Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think they will ever target Hercules, even if someone puts out a commercial product with it. Does anyone know what PSI is using under the covers? A horrid thought just occurred to me that it might BE Hercules. It is not -- they went on at length at SHARE about the technology a couple of years ago, and it's definitely not Herc. ...phsiii
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THAT is the root of the argument. PSI says they are a PCM (Plug Compatible Mainframe). That is the same term used for Amdahl, etc. and was the subject of, and resolved by, historical lawsuits. IBM does not agree that 1) they are a PCM, or 2) this has been resolved in the past. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Stracka, James (GTI) Sent: 12/06/2006 09:12 AM How does PSI differ from amdahl, NAS, Hitachi and other IBM compatible hardware vendors from the past? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. Obligatory historical footnote: IBM *did* build lab blood chemistry and other biomedical equipment starting in 1972 (cf. the 2991 Blood Cell Processor). Equipment manufacturing and repair ended in 1984 with the sale of the biomedical business to COBE Laboratories, Inc. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Indeed. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/
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How does PSI differ from amdahl, NAS, Hitachi and other IBM compatible hardware vendors from the past? Speculation: (IANAL) 1) The historical vendors legitimately licensed some of the technology from IBM or independently developed compatible widgets to the IBM stuff published in the PoP without any reference to the real stuff. The independent development route is probably impossible for any organization that doesn't have a research arm on the scale of IBM's, and if they did, they'd have to worry about #2 below given the screwed-up state of patent law these days. 2) There's a lot more patentable and actually patented stuff in the current machines. Unless PSI's IP lawyers did their homework VERY carefully, it's pretty likely they missed something. 3) At least part of the contention appears to be related to OS/390 and z/OS code. Part of having patents and/or trademarks is that you have to actively pursue them or you are deemed to have released them into the public domain. Losing control of the OS/390 and/or z/OS IP that way would be catastrophic, so they're enabling and deploying the nuclear device that is IBM Legal to protect the bigger cash cow that is z/OS by rendering a small annoyance into a pile of smoking rubble. Personally, I'd expect an out-of-court settlement with undisclosed terms. PSI doesn't have the resources to resist that level of legal assault, and there's clearly some technically legal but pretty gray areas in what they're doing.
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I do not believe that the terms of the settlement between Amdahl and IBM were ever made public. IIRC, part of it was to cross-license certain patents. Without disclosure of the settlements, it is impossible for an outsider to know if the issue was really settled in a more general sense. I imagine that the IBM legal team made certain that the wording indicated that the settlement was very narrow and specific in its application. One difference between then and now is that Amdahl machines were built to execute the 370 instruction set, not just emulate it. There was no microcode in the 470, the machine of the day when the suits were filed. The differences were in the error reporting area. The only O/S updates (MVS or VM) for Amdahl were in the EREP and the error recording area (different data captured for a machine check, for example). There were no modifications to handle instructions that were almost, but not quite, the same (ala GE with 5 or 7, I forget which, instructions that were documented to behave differently than the 360s with which the machines were compatible). -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:32 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI THAT is the root of the argument. PSI says they are a PCM (Plug Compatible Mainframe). That is the same term used for Amdahl, etc. and was the subject of, and resolved by, historical lawsuits. IBM does not agree that 1) they are a PCM, or 2) this has been resolved in the past. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Stracka, James (GTI) Sent: 12/06/2006 09:12 AM How does PSI differ from amdahl, NAS, Hitachi and other IBM compatible hardware vendors from the past? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. Obligatory historical footnote: IBM *did* build lab blood chemistry and other biomedical equipment starting in 1972 (cf. the 2991 Blood Cell Processor). Equipment manufacturing and repair ended in 1984 with the sale of the biomedical business to COBE Laboratories, Inc. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Indeed. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/
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OS/360 and VM/370 were public domain. It wasn't until VM/SP that IBM charged for its VM system and, thereby took it out of the public domain. Amdahl was never sued for building a VM based on VM/370. Jerry DePass liked to tell the story about receiving a package from Dewayne Hendricks, marked with the Amdahl logo. He took it unopened to the legal department where the lawyer's opened it. Inside was a VM/470 manual. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:25 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI How does PSI differ from amdahl, NAS, Hitachi and other IBM compatible hardware vendors from the past? Speculation: (IANAL) 1) The historical vendors legitimately licensed some of the technology from IBM or independently developed compatible widgets to the IBM stuff published in the PoP without any reference to the real stuff. The independent development route is probably impossible for any organization that doesn't have a research arm on the scale of IBM's, and if they did, they'd have to worry about #2 below given the screwed-up state of patent law these days. 2) There's a lot more patentable and actually patented stuff in the current machines. Unless PSI's IP lawyers did their homework VERY carefully, it's pretty likely they missed something. 3) At least part of the contention appears to be related to OS/390 and z/OS code. Part of having patents and/or trademarks is that you have to actively pursue them or you are deemed to have released them into the public domain. Losing control of the OS/390 and/or z/OS IP that way would be catastrophic, so they're enabling and deploying the nuclear device that is IBM Legal to protect the bigger cash cow that is z/OS by rendering a small annoyance into a pile of smoking rubble. Personally, I'd expect an out-of-court settlement with undisclosed terms. PSI doesn't have the resources to resist that level of legal assault, and there's clearly some technically legal but pretty gray areas in what they're doing.
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Hello Paul, I can say that IBM has targeted anyone using non-public domain IBM software and Hercules. Fact. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. Raulerson Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI I don't think they will ever target Hercules, even if someone puts out a commercial product with it. Does anyone know what PSI is using under the covers? A horrid thought just occurred to me that it might BE Hercules. -Paul
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Well, if you limit that to IBM software, sure, and that is their right. I have not heard of any lawsuits about it in direct relation to Hercules, but then, I don't follow it all that closely anymore. I think even IBM Legal would have a tough time making a case about Hercules and Linux/390/zLinux though. Nor would they particuarly care I think. My guess is that IBM is coming out with a PowerPC based platform that will support all three major major non-Intel platforms; pSeries, iSeries, and zSeries. You can already load with AIX or i5OS on the latest pSeries boxes, and zSereis is only a few steps away. When that happens, IBM will explode into the area currently held by FlexES and/or Hercules. Or they might choose to emulate that on an Intel platform - Intel is projecting *80* core chips. That would certainly be enough to make something like Hercules capable of being a major problem for IBM. Heck, they might just go and buy Hercules then turn it into their own product. Or the rights to do something like that. Never can tell, IBM has, upon occasion, shown marketing savvy and a heck of a lot of good sense. Of course, they are also known for the exact opposite, and the current OO push with WebSphere may backfire bigtime with 'em in the mainframe area. It is WILDY sucessful in the iSeries world though. Partnerworld for Developers has turned into a sad joke compared to what it was in the mid 1990s. Only speculation, and in the meantime, I doubt seriously IBM has even a slight bit of heartburn about people running MVS or VM or Linux or whatever else is available out there under Herc. ---BeginMessage--- Hello Paul, I can say that IBM has targeted anyone using non-public domain IBM software and Hercules. Fact. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. Raulerson Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI I don't think they will ever target Hercules, even if someone puts out a commercial product with it. Does anyone know what PSI is using under the covers? A horrid thought just occurred to me that it might BE Hercules. -Paul ---End Message---
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Hercules cannot be bought in that sense of the word. It is distributed under the QPL. IBM could, of course, hire the developers and create a commercial fork in addition to stopping all other development by the current developers (if they become IBM employees). But that cannot stop other developers from continuing the public Hercules development (short of lawsuits, of course). -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Raulerson Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Heck, they might just go and buy Hercules then turn it into their own product. Or the rights to do something like that.
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Yeah, but if they decided to go that way, you can bet that z/OS and z/VM would stop running on Hercules immediately - something would be built into the OCO IBM version to authenticate and license it. Which would leave Herc exactly where it is a today - a super cool place to run historical OS's and Linux. :) -Paul ---BeginMessage--- Hercules cannot be bought in that sense of the word. It is distributed under the QPL. IBM could, of course, hire the developers and create a commercial fork in addition to stopping all other development by the current developers (if they become IBM employees). But that cannot stop other developers from continuing the public Hercules development (short of lawsuits, of course). -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Raulerson Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Heck, they might just go and buy Hercules then turn it into their own product. Or the rights to do something like that. ---End Message---
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Very true. Possibly something akin to what stops z/OS from running on an IFL. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Raulerson Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:29 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Yeah, but if they decided to go that way, you can bet that z/OS and z/VM would stop running on Hercules immediately - something would be built into the OCO IBM version to authenticate and license it. Which would leave Herc exactly where it is a today - a super cool place to run historical OS's and Linux. :) -Paul
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Dave, The URL is Non-working, even if resolve the issue of it being split into 2 pieces. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:34 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50
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Schuh, Richard wrote: Dave, The URL is Non-working, even if resolve the issue of it being split into 2 pieces. Hmmm... it worked for me, and it wasn't split, either Ray Mansell
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Funny, it worked for me! David Wakser -Original Message- From: Schuh, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Dave, The URL is Non-working, even if resolve the issue of it being split into 2 pieces. Confidentiality Note: This e-mail, including any attachment to it, may contain material that is confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or Protected Health Information, within the meaning of the regulations under the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act of 1996. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, including any attachment to it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately return it to the sender and delete it from your system. Thank you.
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Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50
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Dear colleagues: Please try this alternate URL: *http://tinyurl.com/ynfpxo* -dan. Marty Zimelis wrote: Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50
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As requested: ?articleID=196601550 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Zimelis Sent: December 5, 2006 14:48 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot by guaranteed on the Internet. The Sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on basis of the information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is the property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: IBM sues PSI
Last part is: articleID=196601 -Original Message- From: Marty Zimelis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:48 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196601 5= 50 Confidentiality Note: This e-mail, including any attachment to it, may contain material that is confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or Protected Health Information, within the meaning of the regulations under the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act of 1996. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, including any attachment to it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately return it to the sender and delete it from your system. Thank you.
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Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). articleID=196601550 Regards, Miguel Delapaz z/VM TCP/IP Development
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-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Zimelis Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:48 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196601 5= 50
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You need to remove the final = on the first line before pasting. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=19660155 0 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Zimelis Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:48 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196601 5= 50
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Worked for me, also --- Wakser, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, it worked for me! David Wakser -Original Message- From: Schuh, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Dave, The URL is Non-working, even if resolve the issue of it being split into 2 pieces. Confidentiality Note: This e-mail, including any attachment to it, may contain material that is confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or Protected Health Information, within the meaning of the regulations under the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act of 1996. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, including any attachment to it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately return it to the sender and delete it from your system. Thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Very Interesting article. Sounds like the Hercules War is still going on. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:34 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50
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-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M. Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Very Interesting article. Sounds like the Hercules War is still going on. Ed Martin But Hercules is definitely targeted to hobbyists. PSI is attempting to target businesses. That is likely (IMO) why IBM does not sue any of the Hercules developers. Although I guess that they could. I hope not because I use Hercules to learn Linux on zSeries. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
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I guess it time for me to go get my eyes checked:-) Of course, I meant to type patent instead of patient, I just missed that pesky i in the middle. Sorry about the split url, too. I don't think that this will have much of an impact on the z/VM community as, to the best of my knowledge, PSI never offered to support z/VM on it's Intel platform. A couple of months ago, IBM let the patent agreement with FSI (the Flex-ES folks) expireand now IBM is suing PSI. Perhaps this is all laying the groundwork by IBM to introduce a small development/business type zSeries system in the near future..and this is pure speculation on my part. DJ Marty Zimelis wrote: Hi Dave, First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Second, I'm with Richard Schuh. I can't get the URL to work either. And yes, I noticed that it wrapped. Even pasting the two bits together doesn't yield a working URL for me. Perhaps someone who got it to work could send the last part (starting with ArticleID=). Marty -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50
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I cannot get it to work either. Here is the link I used: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015 Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street Frankfort, Ky 40601 502 597 6114 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M. Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Very Interesting article. Sounds like the Hercules War is still going on. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:34 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50
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All you need to do is to go www.informationweek.com and the article is listed on the first page. Loren Charnley IT Systems Engineer Family Dollar Stores, Inc (704) 847-6961 Ext. 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dodds, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI I cannot get it to work either. Here is the link I used: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015 Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street Frankfort, Ky 40601 502 597 6114 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M. Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Very Interesting article. Sounds like the Hercules War is still going on. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:34 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM sues PSI IBM is suing PSI (Platform Solutions) for patient infringement http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1966015= 50 - NOTE: This e-mail message contains PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information and is intended only for the use of the specific individual or individuals to which it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of this e-mail or the information contained herein or attached hereto is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, notify the person named above by reply e-mail and please delete it. Thank you.
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First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. Obligatory historical footnote: IBM *did* build lab blood chemistry and other biomedical equipment starting in 1972 (cf. the 2991 Blood Cell Processor). Equipment manufacturing and repair ended in 1984 with the sale of the biomedical business to COBE Laboratories, Inc. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Indeed.
Re: IBM sues PSI
They also made copying machines too,1971 time frame. . Julian Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 601-479-7460 David Boyes wrote: First, I don't think IBM is branching out into the healthcare area. Obligatory historical footnote: IBM *did* build lab blood chemistry and other biomedical equipment starting in 1972 (cf. the 2991 Blood Cell Processor). Equipment manufacturing and repair ended in 1984 with the sale of the biomedical business to COBE Laboratories, Inc. (One assumes you meant patent infringement.) Indeed.
Re: IBM sues PSI
I don't think they will ever target Hercules, even if someone puts out a commercial product with it. Does anyone know what PSI is using under the covers? A horrid thought just occurred to me that it might BE Hercules. -Paul -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M. Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues PSI Very Interesting article. Sounds like the Hercules War is still going on. Ed Martin But Hercules is definitely targeted to hobbyists. PSI is attempting to target businesses. That is likely (IMO) why IBM does not sue any of the Hercules developers. Although I guess that they could. I hope not because I use Hercules to learn Linux on zSeries. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
