Re: [IceHorses] Control and Smart or Dumb Horses
> This is an interesting article; how much does "control" of your horse > result > in his being smart or dumb? > > http://horsesforlife.com/DressageHorsesAreDumb/ Evidently the study indicates that dressage horses are so used to being controlled and micro-managed, that they are not as "smart" when asked to do tasks to complete on their own. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic in Dressage
Here's another Icelandic in dressage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvgTaBO94w Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
>>>Not all Icelandic bits > have a joint - some have a straight mouthpiece. They are also > available with a French link mouthpiece. Are there pictures available of these styles? >>If so, what would the reason be? > To encourage ventroflexion, I would think. Would it also ventroflex the horse in trot? how would it affect the canter? >>What are the mechanics of the icelandic bit? >> > Not specifically Icelandic, but here's a good explanation of the way > bits work: > http://www.weaverleather.com/tack/bits/6.html Thanks for the input! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Kim's Float Video
Kim, this is a really nice job of leading with float: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_YN5MyxYr0 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Whip / Targeting
> That is a good suggestion, as long as they are conditioned to the sound of > the clicker first or it could reinforce their fear of it. Good point. You can use your voice at first, or also a softer sound like a retractable pen or a baby food jar lid (the vacuum packed lids have a little button on them). >>> If I can find the time I > will got through the steps on a short piece of video (got my new camera - > just am not sure about setting it so it is low enough for the internet for > space - if you know what I mean) as an idea. Superb Whatever help you need, just let me know. We can walk you thru the whole process. (How's your meniscus?) Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Virtual Rides / Mic
>>> would enjoy is knowing where the photos were taken. > For instance the great clip of the two horses in a park. That is an equestrian tract in Scottsdale, AZ. We used to live in a similar one in California (before moving to AZ, and returning to CA). Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Whip / Targeting
Hi Judy, >>>The whip can be used as a target... he will learn that, by touching it, he gets a treat That is a good suggestion, as long as they are conditioned to the sound of the clicker first or it could reinforce their fear of it. You know loud sound when they touch the dreaded whip. I have had great success with the clicker getting horses over the fear of the whip. If I can find the time I will got through the steps on a short piece of video (got my new camera - just am not sure about setting it so it is low enough for the internet for space - if you know what I mean) as an idea. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
[IceHorses] Re:A Safety Idea
Forgot to add that I also have my cell phone programmed on speed dial: 9 for 911/1 for my Vet/2 for my huband's work etc. I figure ii I'm needing to use my cell in an emergency, I might as well have it as simple as possible. Kaaren Kaaren Jordan http://kaarenjordan.com
RE: [IceHorses] Anniversaries
Hi Nancy, Congratulations to you and your parents. In Canada you get a letter from the Queen on your 60th Wedding Anniversary - my parents did. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
> I think we need an alternate organization...with > PONY in the name. > Icelandic Ponies of America or something... > > I don't have a problem calling my boys ponies. Even Harley. I think it is cute. I always wanted a pony since I was very young. Now I got two. Yeah. Lorraine Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Virtual Rides / Mic
Agreed. Another thing I would enjoy is knowing where the photos were taken. For instance the great clip of the two horses in a park. That is so very different from where we ride. Even the trees are different. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Kaaren / Selur
I'm not embarassed to admit that I'm not very computer savvy or digital camera savvy. My skills are very basic. e-mails/Googling/surfing the net . Recently as you may have noticed, I've graduated to being able to post instead of tagging onto a topic. My husband will have to do the digital camera work for me & he's up to his ears with work right now . I've been reading the lists for over 4 years & still haven't mastered logging onto the picture gallery from the lists. IQ of close to 135 & a complete idiot in anything "techy"!! Ask me about holistic medicine /bodywork/saddlefit & wealth of info. though. My husband bought me a new PC a few months back, but I absolutely hate the browser. I'm sticking to the antique Mac I now have...very simple. Kaaren
[IceHorses] Re: A Safety Idea
Nancy : try attaching the ID tag to an alligator clip like the ones I use for my Rhythm Gems. If you like, I can send you one of my clips. Contact me off list. Kaaren http://kaarenjordan.com
[IceHorses] Re: I Think Lalli Can Read
I'll try my best, but most of the fruit was gone later that day when I brougt Selur out in the evening after it cooled down. I guess the entire neighborhood took her up on the "free fruit"". Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] Virtual Rides / Mic
On 9/4/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mic, can you get us a video of a ride in your area? That would be awesome > to see!.. yes, its very interesting to see the terrain in areas you have never been.and see the horses going. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I think we have to do some clean up on the image of the Icelandic > Horse. > > > > Here's a post from another list: > > > And another: > > >>>At the Equine Affair in Pomona last February, I visited all the > pony > booths. The reason was to get information out to them regarding > the > Mountain & Moorland events planed for the year and to find out if > the > southland pony groups would be interested in a future West Coast > All Pony > Show. I was told, by the representative at the Icelandic booth, > that they > would not attend such an event as they were classified as Horses > and NOT > Ponies! I was surprised by her reaction and made my conclusion > that I > wouldn't want them there because of that attitude. (Remember, this > is why > it is so important at these events like EA, that we represent our > ponies > in a positive way, because that would be enough to make me not want > to > even consider an Icelandic) I know, not every Icelandic owner and > breeder > is like that but that was the message from their booth in > Pomona. > > > Judy Thats too bad. All that attitude. Really, I do not care if someone wants to call them ponies or horses, we call them horses, and we call them ponies, they are Equines that can carry adults well. Thats the message I want to get across. But I seen attitude the other way about calling them horses, really it does not matter much to me. When we do dna testing, the abreviation is IP, Icelandic Ponywhatever. I call the horses most of the time because they can carry me well, most ponies can not Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Whip / Targeting
I thought of you yesterday, Judy, and your clicker training and targeting. I had my mouth open to suggest that Stephanie turn off her power chair because it looked like Tosca was going to try driving, when sure enough, Tosca reached out and touched the controls with her nose and moved Steph backwards in space a few inches. No fear from either Stephanie or her pony. The folks at the barn are quite touched by Tosca and her relationship with her 14 year old owner. Stephanie was brushing her from her seated position and the owner said, "And she's only four years old?" Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Whip / Targeting
BTW, let me know if your horse > learns not to be terrified of whips-I could use that info with one of > mine. I think a good way to change a horse's perception of the whip (if it's negative), is with clicker training. The whip can be used as a target... he will learn that, by touching it, he gets a treat! He can learn to love the whip pretty quick! I just did a little clicker training session with the little pinto. It's not very good, as I was concentrating on keeping my balance standing up (recent broken leg), so my timing was a little off, but I can post it, if you'd like to see it. Otherwise, I have other clicker training videos here: http://youtube.com/icehorses Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Karen, > >>>is using the LTJ double bridle with him. > > It is not a double bridle but a bridle with two sets of reins. It > is not a > bit we have ever started an Icelandic in but it is like starting a > horse in > a Pelham if you are basically using the upper rein. > > Robyn Thanks Robin, I always call it a double bridle even though I know better! It was a weird choice, and yes Eloise is using the upper reinand its working very well, he is happy and relaxed and forward with a great stop from using the knee pressure, not the bit. I get to ride him next week for my first time. I am excited. He actually is a gelding that came form Brunos lines.speaking of Bruno. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
[IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Kim Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how people got to a certain place, how they trained their horses, > it's the process to me that is most important... Dari came back a goey Icelandic who is still to this day > terrified of whips... I really wish I had found a different kind of help. > Kim > really still feeling guilty about allowing this to happen Kim, I have seen all types of trainers do things that would knock your socks off and you would swear they hate horses, are afraid of them and have no true understanding of horses- and yet that same trainer can turn around and be gentle and kind and patient in another situation and you would swear they are totally 'in tune' with horses...it seems to depend on their perception of whats going on at the moment, perception of why the horse is not behaving(the horse has learned to be lazy), or perception of time(I don't have time for this behavior), or perception of what the client wants(they want a horse that goes) and probably a few others. You could have combed the world and found the 'perfect trainer' and still ended up with this situation on any given day. I encourage you to let go of the guilt(your horse knows it wasn't you) and just keep your ears and eyes open when you ask other people to exert their authority over your horse. BTW, let me know if your horse learns not to be terrified of whips-I could use that info with one of mine. Late'
Re: [IceHorses] A Safety Idea
--- saddlehelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A while back, I started attaching a refective dog > tag ID to a ring on > each horse's saddle just in case I ever became > parted from my horse That is all a good idea. After Scooter took off without me I realize he had my phone and truck keys. Lorraine Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
RE: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
>>> (Remember, this is why it is so important at these events like EA, that we represent our ponies in a positive way, because that would be enough to make me not want to even consider an Icelandic) I know, not every Icelandic owner and breeder is like that but that was the message from their booth in Pomona. You know, I think we're preaching to the choir. There seems to have been a major change over the past few years, in that it seems finally like a lot of Icelandic owners, maybe even most, are perfectly happy defining our equines as "ponies." But, I still hear of things like this happening. You just gave me a clue as to why. I'm pretty sure the major equine expo's only allow breed representation from the official breed organization. So, probably the person at the Icelandic booth at EA was closely associated with the USIHC...and most of us certainly aren't. I think we need an alternate organization...with PONY in the name. Icelandic Ponies of America or something... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
Re: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
>I think we have to do some clean up on the image of the Icelandic Horse. > > Here's a post from another list: And another: >>>At the Equine Affair in Pomona last February, I visited all the pony booths. The reason was to get information out to them regarding the Mountain & Moorland events planed for the year and to find out if the southland pony groups would be interested in a future West Coast All Pony Show. I was told, by the representative at the Icelandic booth, that they would not attend such an event as they were classified as Horses and NOT Ponies! I was surprised by her reaction and made my conclusion that I wouldn't want them there because of that attitude. (Remember, this is why it is so important at these events like EA, that we represent our ponies in a positive way, because that would be enough to make me not want to even consider an Icelandic) I know, not every Icelandic owner and breeder is like that but that was the message from their booth in Pomona. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] BEARS
> We certainly have respect for the bears and give them a wide berth but there > are generally enough orchards around here and berries for them to get enough > to eat. I was lucky. I was also pretty desperate. Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] A Safety Idea
> I took a very bad fall a couple of years ago when out riding alone. > Fortunately I had the cell phone with me. I fractured two vertebrae and > couldn't get up. I lay on my back in the neighbor's abandoned barnyard > talking on the phone until the ambulance arrived. Oh, my! What a nightmare! I'm glad you recovered to ride again! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] BEARS
Hi Robyn Bears are extremely scary when there is any kind of cubs or food involved. I have friends who work in the bush, alone, and they have had some experiences I would not want to have. We certainly have respect for the bears and give them a wide berth but there are generally enough orchards around here and berries for them to get enough to eat. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Virtual Rides / Mic
>> Judy, I think we owe all of our video adventures to you. You >> encourage all of us to get out there and get videos for the group. >> >> Thanks for all you have done and all you continue to do to support and >> encourage this cool way to communicate about our horses. > > > Here's Donna's ride; she lives in Scottsdale, AZ: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZxfmNrHqyY Mic, can you get us a video of a ride in your area? That would be awesome to see!.. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
On 9/4/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .Sally and I could have trained him ourselves > but felt he was worth the money to really have a professional train > him, as she is light and will not get frustrated, and has many more > tools in her tool box than I do. > > Skye > sometimes you are lucky if all you have to pay is money. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
Hi Karen, >>>is using the LTJ double bridle with him. It is not a double bridle but a bridle with two sets of reins. It is not a bit we have ever started an Icelandic in but it is like starting a horse in a Pelham if you are basically using the upper rein. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] A Safety Idea
That is an excellent idea and one I've been meaning to adopt. I think I will braid the horse's ID tag into his/her mane so that if for some reason, natural disaster or whatever, the horse is found somewhere without a saddle, it can still be identified. In the winter I carry a cell phont in my pocket. In the summer when I don't have pockets, it goes on the saddle. I took a very bad fall a couple of years ago when out riding alone. Fortunately I had the cell phone with me. I fractured two vertebrae and couldn't get up. I lay on my back in the neighbor's abandoned barnyard talking on the phone until the ambulance arrived. I never want to do that again, but it would have been a very long time until someone found me if I couldn't have called for help. The horse ran home. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Anniversaries
I don't think I have enough fingers to figure this out. Bruce and I have been married 45 years and my parents have been married 67 years. My mother has said she thinks she should at least get an attendance certificate. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] I Think Lalli Can Read
> neighbors that has lots of fruit trees had put out a table laden with > large baskets filled to the brim with all sorts of fruit. There was a > sign over the table in big letters stating "Free fruit, take as much > as you like". Kaaren, is the table still there? It would be great if you could get pictures of it and Lalli eating the fruit!! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Kaaren / Selur
>I also have a gelding, Selur, that is a very unusual color (vindottir) all > year round. In the Spring/Summer he is the color of a dappled wild hare > with very few white hairs & in the late Fall & Winter he changes to the > color of a bluish roan with lots of white hairs all over. Kaaren, can you send pictures of Selur? and your other horses. Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] I Think Lalli Can Read
He just picked up his head & made a > beeline for that table at the fastest, smoothest toelt he could muster > stopping briefly to look at the sign before taking very carefully s > fruit from each basket. I was surprised he was so polite about it as > fruit is a favored treat. How funny Kaaren! Amazing how smart and sensitive they are. Robyn S
[IceHorses] Bits
I can't believe that there are so many types of bits. It is over welming. I must have 20 of them so I can try them. I have always been a hack girl. Lorraine Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
..> A lot of people use them here (not that many for > Icelandics though). > They are always used with 2 reins though, (or at > least a joiner) > unlike the Icelandic bit. > I have been using a bit on Scooter that you all would cringe. I forget what it is called. It doesn't bother him at all. I am soft handed with it. I am going to try to get less severe as I get use to him. I think the bit I have is a correction bit because he was running through the bit Lorraine Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
[IceHorses] A Safety Idea
A while back, I started attaching a refective dog tag ID to a ring on each horse's saddle just in case I ever became parted from my horse on the trail. I ordered a large reflective heart with each horse's name, our address, & phone on one side & my vets name on the other. I also wear a small waist pack that Snugpax made for me with a front zippered compartment for small vials of homeopathics & Rescue Remedy with a main compartment for my cell phone & treats for my horse + hoofpick. I also have a smaller ID tag attached onto my waist pack with all my info & emergency contact #'s so if I am knocked out, I can be easily identified. Since I ride out primarily alone on the trail, it makes me feel better that both myself/my boys can be ID'd easily in case of trouble. Kaaren http://kaarenjordan.com
[IceHorses] I Think Lalli Can Read
Over the weekend, it was so hot here in Calif. that all we could do is a very early ride around our neighborhood gravel roads. One of my neighbors that has lots of fruit trees had put out a table laden with large baskets filled to the brim with all sorts of fruit. There was a sign over the table in big letters stating "Free fruit, take as much as you like". My big guy Lalli was not too enthused about our boring neighborhood ride until he rounded the corner & spotted the table with sign about a block away. He just picked up his head & made a beeline for that table at the fastest, smoothest toelt he could muster stopping briefly to look at the sign before taking very carefully s fruit from each basket. I was surprised he was so polite about it as fruit is a favored treat. For about 10 years now, both my horses also stop at the red intersection stop signs looking both ways before crossing any intersection not just the one I usually go through. I have often observed with mine that they transfer learning to entirely different situations, not just the one that they were taught. Iceys are so smart & have such good vision. I'll bet even if one starts to lose a little sight with age, it is still better than most other breeds. Kaaren Http://kaarenjordan.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Ouch / Tail -Sheep banding
--- Kristiina Kuusinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And it is also illegal to neuter sheep by "banding". > > > > > Krisse in Finland > > > Why is that? My first thought is that it good for the vets and > bad > > for the farmers > > > We raise sheep for food and I just > > coulden't pay a vet to nueter my male sheep, it would be cost > > prohibited. > > > > Skye > > They are raised intact here... > > > I guess we could get used to the difference in taste, but an intact male is a lot more gamerer in taste. Plus the fact that I would have to manage my herd in a different way, more fencing, smaller space for the herd as all those rams together, well, the fighting between them can get dangerous at times. The band does not even hurt them when we put it on and in almost 6 years we have never had any infection or trouble with using banding... Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Baldur fra Bakka who won the 1999 flying pace WChe was my > trail > mount for a long time, wonderful horsevery traditional > training. > > > And Baldur is the one who you told us was sent to Hawaii to retire, > and who > you also said was sterile due to steroid use during his show > career, righ > Skye? I thought he was the one, so I did a search of the archives. > I found > this, back when you still called yourself, Storme: > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/61732 I > remembered > that post vividly, since he was the first Icelandic I heard linked > to > steroid use. I'm not sure that he's a prime example to include > here, since > that brings up still another show/training problem. > > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I am not sure why you are equating the steroid abuse with Baldur's training in Iceland, as the steroid use would have happened long after he was exported from Iceland.after his injury. his being in retirement now has nothing to do with his traditional training in Iceland as I understand it. Do you really want to talk about a horse that I ride, who I took care of daily for years, that you have never seen or ridden? Karen, please,..we can talk about show issues, those are really issues for all horses that show and compete...but that is a different subject isn't it.that does not have anything to do specifically with traditional Icelandic training. We might actually agree in our disapproval of some show traditions and practices, though I have to point out that abuse of show horses is an international issue, and we Americans are far, far from innocent in this regard. I can imagine a scenario wherein a European (for example) condemns those Americans for all that soring and chains and pads on their gaited horses! I for one would hate to be labeled in such a manner. You failed to mention the other wonderful horses I have experienced and written about who were trained in Iceland. The gelding Drefandi, for example, who was trained at Gunnersholt.a wonderful horse, just a delight to ride. This is why the all or nothing mentality just does not work, and you seem to be a very intelligent woman, so I just do not understand why you keep using it.it comes across to me as bigoted, frankly. I find it offensive when people take little snippets out of a dialogue and to try interpret them negatively and out of context. I am feeling as if you are attacking me personally, Karen. If you would like to say something to me, email me me privately if you just plain do not like me, but please keep the badgering off the list. Perhaps I could be a little more understanding if I understood why your seem to be increasing in belligerence in your postings lately, especially in response to mine. Perhaps my writing style rubs you the wrong way, but to my knowledge I have never attacked you or done anything to harm you. I've never even met you! I would like to feel free to share thoughts and feelings about my passion- these horses- without looking over my shoulder for a verbal missile from you. Maybe we can just agree to disagree-cordially- with each other. BTW~Storme was my name since birth, my mother named me that. Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Skye-Parelli question-Yo-Yo Game
Oh gosh. I'm so old. I remember whan Richard Shrake was a very young guy showing quarter horses in Oregon. We thought he was sort of a goofy kid. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Paraplegic Colt
On 9/4/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10293 I don't know. There is a definite line for me, and this crosses it. Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > relationship with a horse. It takes learning skills to develop > the > > latter, just like with any good relationship. > > And time. > > I think that may be one reason why breeders like to fall back on > the "don't > handle the foals" concept... it takes time. > > > Judy That could be true We in the past of presold our foals (we no longer sell foals, we are raising them ourselves and then will train and sell as riding horses when they are able to be trained..) Anyway, one family, bought one of our fillies last year, it was their only horse, they had a young child (7 years old) that was taking riding lessons from the parelli based trainer down the road, the one with the snake lead rope...anyway in our sales contract one of the stipulations is that the filly is to be kept with other horses in a pasture setting untill she is at least 3 years old.the family would come over every week to visit with their filly, we showed them how to appropriately handle to horses.however they made visits when we were not home as well...to this day the filly is so sweet, but she is no only filly we have had here who is constantly in your space.I never have to push the others away, they have a good sense of space and where it is appropriate to stand...but I feel the filly was over handled and allowed to come into people space to much. People have a hard time, because the baby is s cute, sooo little, sooo whatever. People have a hard time creating boundaries with horses, a lot of people have a hard time creating boundaries with other people, thats how it is. We have had several clients who are killing their horses because they do not want to limit feed, they just can't make themselves limit feed to a severely foundered horsepeople sometimes love their horses to death. I do not believe that everyone has what it takes to have good boundaries with their babiesits from experience that I say this.some people can some people just choose not to for whatever reason they have. |Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
--- Kim Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Leslie kept talking about how > having > a relationship with your horse will ensure your safety, like if the > > horse is scared of you, and you start to fall off, they will be > thinking, "Here is my chance to get rid of this thing!" and they > will > really get rid of you. I talked with Leslie about this: Dari once > fell > with me riding, he laid calmly and waited until we both got our > bearings and then gently got up. No freaking out, we were both > hurt, > but it wasn't made any worse. I really > > think it's important that they really like us and trust us, there > can > still be rules, in fact I think they want to know the boundaries, > it > helps shape their lives, just like kids like to have boundaries. It > > doesn't have to be mean. > > Kim > > Well said Kim~ My gelding Dreki and I had a great relationship (he died a little over 2 years ago) He was the horse that I fell off of the most so far in my life, not because he was badly trained or anything, but because I felt so secure and safe with him our relationship allowed me to try and do things on horseback that I had only dreamed of. Anytime I came off he stood and waited like a gentleman, sometimes nudging me gentlyonce we both went down together, we were both hurt, and he waited and checked in on me, as I was very injured after that fall...but we had a good relationship.after that fall we both had to work through some stuff together, luckily we were able to before he died. He was my partner.I trusted him and he mesometimes out on the trail I would ask him if we could do it, he would always give me an answer It took time and a lot of communicationI never worked him in a round pen, it was just time hanging out together, as he was a finished horse and was teaching me stuff...he was a gallant 14-2 pinto gelding who taught me so much about being partners. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
[IceHorses] the playful (and dangerous) horse
In Lee Zeiglers book... gosh I ran across something so good. She talks about how sometimes a horse will have a sense of humor for lack of a better word, and it can show up as misbehavior. She used as an example a horse that will go past something dozens of times with no problem and then suddenly out of the blue spook as if its never seen such a thing before. My stonewall does this! As you may recall he is my orphaned foal/over-imprinted/over-humanized horse. I had just become convinced he would always have a screw loose, but on the ground he is very goofy and comical, very playful. He likes to run and display for me sometimes and its sorta heartwarming. Then at the bookstore I was reading a magazine yesterday and it talked about the "extroverted charismatic" personality type horse and I went wow, that is definitely my stonewall. When people say horses spook because they lack confidence, that just seemed not to make sense since Walls is so OVERLY confident, but it makes perfect sense for him to be playful and not realize he could kill me, kill us both. Anyway, in the book, lee talks about firmly discouraging and disallowing such behavior so they will learn even when bored and wanting to play, to be safe mounts. It really helped me to read the things she suggested. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: The Icelandic Horse's Image
> > > > But horses (and mules) can feel a fly landing on > their skin, they are Ya. If they can feel a fly, they can feel a tap. My mule might have known I knew how to ride. You should see the people that go on that ride. Wearing high heels. LOL. When I was using the crop on Dagur he responded better with some sweet talk more than a wack on the butt. Lorraine Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
Re: [IceHorses] Anniversaries
> > We've had seven years of marital bliss seven out > of 30 is not bad! > > Just kidding Congrats. Judy. You are talking about your husband right? Or your Iceys? LOL Kevin and I are working on our 13th this Dec. Lorraine Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
[IceHorses] Fwd: bear in friend's back yard in Tahoe
Speaking of bears. My friend from Tahoe sent me this pic from their backyard. Lorraine Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
[IceHorses] Paraplegic Colt
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10293 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
> If you really want to cringe, watch some of the > Western movies > (especially the old ones) and watch how they pull on > the reins with > those long shanks and the horses are gaping their > mouths open trying > to get away from the pain. I just about can't watch > those movies > anymore because of it > Oh I know Laree, YOu are right. I ordered a rubber snaffle with short shanks to try on my boys. A happy bit or something. But of course it is too hot to try it. Lorraine Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] Kicking
> >> would snatch a knot in his tail :) > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo > Thanks for the laugh I needed that. Ya. I didn't think it was the same. It is a horse thing. Lorraine Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
> > I always carry a whip when I ride and I have never > "whipped" a horse > or even smacked them with any kind of force. One I use a long whip to load my horses when they act up. I just show it to them and they think, OK I will go in mommy. I have seen people whip the blood out of a horse to load them. Yikes. Lorraine Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
[IceHorses] Re: Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do any gaited breeds currently use a long shank with a broken mouthpiece? > I think I have seen people use these. > If so, what would the reason be? > That's just what they think they should do. I think that their reasoning is that they can keep the horse in frame to gait with that kind of bit. I can't really see a good reason, not a real reason. I don't know why they can't go in some kind of mild bit, or with a sidepull. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
My horse has been at the trainers now for 5 weeks..he is doing wonderfully, having fun and moving out and being very light.my friend rides with a whip and is using the LTJ double bridle with him. This is a young horse...? An Icelandic...? And he's being started with a double bridle? I was under the impression that Icelandic's typically have very low palates, and that some don't have room for ANY bit...and you're using two bits...? I don't think I've heard of an Icelandic being ridden in a double bridle. And horses are generally not started in double bridles - dressage horses have usually been in training for years before they move into one. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
Baldur fra Bakka who won the 1999 flying pace WChe was my trail mount for a long time, wonderful horsevery traditional training. And Baldur is the one who you told us was sent to Hawaii to retire, and who you also said was sterile due to steroid use during his show career, right Skye? I thought he was the one, so I did a search of the archives. I found this, back when you still called yourself, Storme: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/61732 I remembered that post vividly, since he was the first Icelandic I heard linked to steroid use. I'm not sure that he's a prime example to include here, since that brings up still another show/training problem. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
[IceHorses] For Sale
I have decided to offer my mare Emmy for sale. I feel our trails are just to hard for her. We live on the side of very VERY steep mountain and all our riding is exterme..NO gentle slopes or flat riding..sigh She is for sale to an approved home only.. no beginners or people not familier with Icelandics..she has had a rough time as NO ONE paid attention to the fact she had a very sore back hence she was sometimes unruly under saddle, nothing mean just enough to let you know something was hurting. No one in her previous owner ship or history made any attept to find out the cause. Which was a very mislalinged back! SHe is quite diferent now she had a treatment from a very well know equine chiropractor. But I am sure she will need periodic adjustmens as her back was out for so long. I just feel our type of riding is to hard for her...even our driveway to get down to the road is so steep none of my friends will even ride down it. You can only drive up the last part in 4x4. We are in no hurry to sell her, my goal is to find a home where she will be appreciated and well looked after and with someone who has the commpassion to listen to horses. She jumps right in the horses trailer and has wonderful ground manners. I have been trimming her feet (barefoot) and she is wonderful for that. I do have pictures I could email. Please EMAIL me as I do not come on here to often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Zoe in BC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
Dari was refusing to move at times, an associate of > Bruno's started out riding Dari, he started refusing, Bruno fixed > that. Dari came back a goey Icelandic who is still to this day > terrified of whips. He didn't refuse to move anymore. I really > think > it set up a permanent distrust somewhere in his mind. Fantastic! I > was looking for a little help, I really wish I had found a > different > kind of help. I really think there is a better way to address this > kind of thing. This is why I really like good horsemanship, it is > fair to the horse. I am very concerned about HOW, we get to a > certain place. It doesn't need to go this way, not at all. It's > hard > just to sit back and not say anything when I know something. > > Kim > really still feeling guilty about allowing this to happen > When I was reading this interesting post, thank you Kim, I started to think about what people want when they send a horse to a trainer. Resultsproblem fixed is what most people want. Thats my asssumption of course, but it seems to me that it takes a little more time sometimes training horses in a more Natural way, without using whips and spurs and such.I wonder how many people would want to send a horse to a trainer and pay more for the same results, I know I would..but I know a lot of people just want the problem fixed and are not concerned if a whip is used a little harshly from time to time. My horse has been at the trainers now for 5 weeks..he is doing wonderfully, having fun and moving out and being very light.my friend rides with a whip and is using the LTJ double bridle with him.2 things I will have to learn to ride with at least for awhile..the whip is an extension of her arm and uses it to cue from behind as she asks with her set to go forward..anyway...Sally and I could have trained him ourselves but felt he was worth the money to really have a professional train him, as she is light and will not get frustrated, and has many more tools in her tool box than I do. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] BEARS
> Being a good mom and always wanting to teach, I picked up our daughter, and > said, "oh, look at the bear!" and then immediately, thought, "what the heck > am I doing, we gotta get out of here!" > > And we left real quick. Boy, I didn't. Here's my bear story: Back in about 1990 when my husband lived in CA and we were dating, we went to Yosemite to go backpacking one weekend. Well anyone who's been there knows that it's notorious for bear problems, as the bears have learned that humans are suckers. We were told that we had to hang our food bag across a rope strung between 2 tall trees, instead of the usual tie-off method. Since there aren't many tall trees x number of feet apart, my husband said "ah, we'll just tie the bag off to another tree." We had no food in the tent, no personal items, etc. and during the night, a bear came thru our campsite, went around the whole tent sniffing (while I'm lying there thinking, "there's a bear 6 inches from my face!") Then the bear immediately went up the tree where the bag was tied off, swatted the bag down and started ripping. As soon as it went up, we realized what was happening, threw on our boots and ran out of the tent. All I could think of was that the medication I HAD to have for my kidneys was in that bag, and without it--a three hour hike out, plus a several hour drive back--and I could be in deep doo-doo. So I was pretty possessive of that bag! The bear was behind a downed tree, ripping at the bag, we started yelling and throwing rocks, shining our flashlights. The bear came up from behind the downed tree and went "Rrr!!" To which I responded "RR!!" And the bear went "oh, s***! I'm not gonna mess with her!" and turned, still w/ the bag, and took off, breaking the climbing rope that the bag was tied to with this loud "zzing!" We found the remains of the bag the next day, fortunately all our personal items (and meds!) were intact, altho the bear had eaten every speck of food. Some kind hikers shared their trail mix w/ us, as they knew we had nothing. But we had to hike out early, which sucked. Not that I'd ever try to confront a bear like that again, or recommend it. Looking back, it's a pretty funny story, altho at the time it was life or death for me. Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? > > > janice-- > > > >Skye wrote: > > No they do not..there are variances. > > Janice Wrote: > how can you say that with such certainty. have you ever seen any > icelandic people over here training? or the results of their > training? or rehabbed any horses that have been trained the > traditional way? > Janice Yes, I have have stated many times. Many of the imported horses here from Iceland have been trained by Icelandic trainers. We have a gelding here (Drifonde) was was trained at Gunnersholt, wonderful, light, easy to stop horse. Talk about Traditional training! Baldur fra Bakka who won the 1999 flying pace WChe was my trail mount for a long time, wonderful horsevery traditional training. I could go on and on. We do have a rehab here who was imported then abused in his training in Ca..very sweet wonderful horse, we took him to a Linda Tellington Jones clinic here on island, and he responded with it so much. My friend who has taught clinics in Iceland and has worked with many Icelandic trainers there and here. And about rehabbing horses that were trained the traditional Icelandic way, as stated before a lot of us feel that any method of training can be abused..even Parellis, Lyons, Clinton Andersons, etc. So yes I can say that with much certainty. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
[IceHorses] Re: BEARS
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No relation to Maja. We find our horses in general run towards weird things > - like hot air balloons, kites, strange dogs in the pasture ... > It sounds kind of funny:) My mules will do that, when a moose appeared on the ridge above the house, the mules all snorted and ran in circles, Dari headed for the back corner of the pasture, as far as he could go:) I think he was the smart one in that situation. I don't think we ever had any bears, not that I know of. I never saw one the entire two years I was in Montana, I'm not so sure I want to see one, not that close anyway, defintely not in the horse pasture, I'm glad it turned out ok. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image / Whips
conversely--- you can also have a horse semi-accustomed to being whipped. At the big lick walking horse show I went in the trainer area and they brought out a big beautiful black stud horse in the big padded shoes and the "trainer" directed a stable boy to "walk him out" and when he took about ten steps the trainer took a whip and cracked it as hard as he could across the horses hocks. I asked the man next to me WHY and he shrugged and said "to get him up under hisself better". Later after I got over the horror of the whole place a little it ocurred to me--- if I EVER cracked any horse of mine in the hocks with a whip he would be in canada by now and still galloping. so it says a lot that a horse will tolerate it with just a terrified jump the way that horse did and not bolt for the hills like mine would, what it says is that a horse has grown accustomed to horror. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
>How long are the shanks on the Pelhams? Shorter than the Icelandic bit - about 4 inches, roughly.> > >Do any gaited breeds currently use a long shank with a broken mouthpiece? Here's a selection: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://equineusaonline.com/catalog/images/334bitweb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://equineusaonline.com/catalog/index.php%3FcPath%3D6_7_389&h=506&w=450&sz=25&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=qxUWCqrkgwOX-M:&tbnh=131&tbnw=117&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhorse%2Bbits%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG I thought of a couple of others similar to Icelandic bits - the Dutch gag, and some of the Toklat and Myler bits. Not all Icelandic bits have a joint - some have a straight mouthpiece. They are also available with a French link mouthpiece. > >If so, what would the reason be? To encourage ventroflexion, I would think. > >What are the mechanics of the icelandic bit? > Not specifically Icelandic, but here's a good explanation of the way bits work: http://www.weaverleather.com/tack/bits/6.html Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
On 9/4/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are broken-mouth Pelhams, which I wouldn't use, but that would > probably be the closest thing to an Icelandic bit in the "English" > world.<<< > > How long are the shanks on the Pelhams? > > My pelhams on the lowest ring have about a 1.5-2 in shank. a Tom Thumb that I meant reminds me of an icelandic bit, is a long shanked broken snaffle. with a curb. My last pelham I got from susan at saddleuptack.com and it is awesome. It is a 4.5 in mouthpiece (for some reason stonewall has a small mouth) and a real short shank, maybe 1.5 if that. Janice janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: Ouch / Tail -Sheep banding
> And it is also illegal to neuter sheep by "banding". > > > Krisse in Finland > Why is that? My first thought is that it good for the vets and bad > for the farmers > We raise sheep for food and I just > coulden't pay a vet to nueter my male sheep, it would be cost > prohibited. > > Skye They are raised intact here...
RE: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
Hi Laree, >>>One of the first things I do with a horse is teach them from the ground that the whip is not something to be feared Same thing here, our horses are not afraid of the whip at all. >>>I would prefer to use a tap with the whip then a strong leg. Me too. We also use them chase away a dog that comes running out at the horses. Our horses do not think we will hit them but we can wave it at the dog to keep him away. Yes they make great back scratchers for people and horses as well. It is all what you are used to and comfortable using, and like everything how it is used. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland
> From the Iceland Review: > > Tölt is unique to the Icelandic horse. Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
There are broken-mouth Pelhams, which I wouldn't use, but that would probably be the closest thing to an Icelandic bit in the "English" world.<<< How long are the shanks on the Pelhams? > Many of the bits from "old" gaited horse cultures (Peruvians, Pasos, > various African gaited ponies etc) use bits similar to the Icelandic > bit. Do any gaited breeds currently use a long shank with a broken mouthpiece? If so, what would the reason be? What are the mechanics of the icelandic bit? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] It's not ALWAYS the saddle
On 8/31/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In about 3-4 years, I may need someone to remind me of this. I noticed this > week that Tifa has a sprinkling of roan-like white hairs along her back, > just behind her withers. I have become friends with a lady here that is a vet and she imports Trekhener (sp?) horses from Europe. For some reason I showed her Doppa's white spots on her back (that are from a bad saddle fit) and she said "Oh yeah, that's something that a lot of European horses just have." When I told her that Doppa's were from a bad saddle and it might be possible that some European horses have then for the same reason, she said that it's possible - she'd just never thought about that. A lot of her imports have the white spots. -- Laree
RE: [IceHorses] BEARS
Hi Judy >>>Omigosh! Are you worried about the bear coming back and bothering the horses? No the bear was on its way to cross the highway to go back up to Noble Canyon which is pretty well unpopulated. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0400, you wrote: > There are broken-mouth Pelhams, which I wouldn't use, but that would probably > be the closest thing to an Icelandic bit in the "English" world. I don't > really know many people who use them though. A lot of people use them here (not that many for Icelandics though). They are always used with 2 reins though, (or at least a joiner) unlike the Icelandic bit. Many of the bits from "old" gaited horse cultures (Peruvians, Pasos, various African gaited ponies etc) use bits similar to the Icelandic bit. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Anniversaries
we are at 29. I told everyone last year it was thirty. thats how bad I am! what is it with fall anniversarys! I think its the caveman syndrome, wanting to snag a woman before winter sets in and they have to be all alone in the snow. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
> relationship with a horse. It takes learning skills to develop the > latter, just like with any good relationship. And time. I think that may be one reason why breeders like to fall back on the "don't handle the foals" concept... it takes time. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
thats a great post kim., janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
>>> Is there anything comparable in english riding, or classical riding, to >>> the icelandic bit? >> a tom thumb. Remember, "Tom Thumb" just means short, a reference to an old circus character, I think. You'd have to clarify if you mean a Tom Thumb Pelham or Tom Thumb snaffle...and of course, a Tom Thumb "snaffle' isn't really a snaffle, and it's more of a western type curb bit, not used in English riding at all. There are broken-mouth Pelhams, which I wouldn't use, but that would probably be the closest thing to an Icelandic bit in the "English" world. I don't really know many people who use them though. I have occasionally used a mullen-mouthed (unbroken) Tom Thumb Pelham though. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
RE: [IceHorses] BEARS
Hi Karen, >>>Would any of those fillies be related to Maja, Bjola, Ima, or Kola by any chance? No relation to Maja. We find our horses in general run towards weird things - like hot air balloons, kites, strange dogs in the pasture ... Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
If you really want to cringe, watch some of the Western movies (especially the old ones) and watch how they pull on the reins with those long shanks and the horses are gaping their mouths open trying to get away from the pain. I just about can't watch those movies anymore because of it Yeah, and those rearing, prancy horses no longer just look "spirited" like I thought when I was a kid. It's pretty amazing what people have historically written off to spiritedness (whatever word you apply) that now looks like discomfort, bad horsemanship, or even pain or fear. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
Re: [IceHorses] More o/t - Family Portrait
>> My goodness, 32 years apiece!!! Congratulations to all of you! > > > That's funny - our 32nd is coming up this year :-)) Our 32nd is in a few months too! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Necks
> Giraffes have seven. > > Even stranger, imagine any short-necked mammal-a dolphin, a mole, a cow, a > human being-and you get exactly the same answer: Typically, they all have > just seven vertebrae, no matter how many millimeters or how many meters > long their neck might be. So, our horses have seven vertebrae in their necks, same as a giraffe, same as a pig. With the longer-necked animals, such as giraffes or swans, it's easy to tell the shape that the vertebral column takes as the exterior neck follows the curve. Not so easy with a horse! The horse's exterior neck shape does not necessarily follow the shape of the vertebral column. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] BEARS
> concerned. The fillies who were in the far corner away from the bear took > one look and came racing over towards the bear down the hill and chased > him > away. Omigosh! Are you worried about the bear coming back and bothering the horses? Once, when our kids were very small, our daughter was two years old, and our son was newborn, we were doing a weekend thing at a big fancy resort up in the mountains. I was walking our daughter between two of the buildings late one night, and saw a bear about ten feet from us, hanging on the side of a tree, about four feet off the ground. Being a good mom and always wanting to teach, I picked up our daughter, and said, "oh, look at the bear!" and then immediately, thought, "what the heck am I doing, we gotta get out of here!" And we left real quick. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i know, you think, well, you dont want to spoil them, but they are > used to you and the way you do things, then when someone real strict > and stern comes along they are so afraid and startled they shut down > the thinking part of the brain and go into the reactive part which is > not learning at all. I have a problem of being too lenient then when > I get fed up oh my god my horses scatter like I am godzilla, rising > from the sea. But they KNOW me... > I really don't think it has to be done at these extremes. I have watched people put fear into a horse, and I have watched develop a relationship with a horse. It takes learning skills to develop the latter, just like with any good relationship. It's like counseling for us and our horses:) I have some fiesty ones, they are really all willing though. They have gotten really scared about things sometimes, but the more they trust me, they more they go with me and trust that I am not asking them to do something that will get them killed. I watched Leslie Desmond this spring (I am going to try and think of a way to go watch her again this month), I really got something out of it. She never scared the horse, she didn't get "strict and stern", there were rules, but she also let the horse have a say, always. There was a lot of "space" and lightness in what they did with the horse, no popping, no whiping, no spurs, really working off energy, body language, not even a lot of physical contact. It was really amazing. It can be done, it just takes dedication and a lot of work, I think dedication to self change mostly. Leslie kept talking about how having a relationship with your horse will ensure your safety, like if the horse is scared of you, and you start to fall off, they will be thinking, "Here is my chance to get rid of this thing!" and they will really get rid of you. I talked with Leslie about this: Dari once fell with me riding, he laid calmly and waited until we both got our bearings and then gently got up. No freaking out, we were both hurt, but it wasn't made any worse. A girl I used to board with, really just thinks of horses as her show animals, I don't see a lot of attachment to them, her horse fell on her and kicked her in the face. I really think it's important that they really like us and trust us, there can still be rules, in fact I think they want to know the boundaries, it helps shape their lives, just like kids like to have boundaries. It doesn't have to be mean. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Skye-Parelli question-Yo-Yo Game
I use the Yo Yo, every time I see Charm, not 30 feet back, just a couple steps to move her out of MY SPACE, then I can invite her in, she is 3.. 16 hands tall and very much a confident horse... yet very young mentally and physically, even though she is tall, she is gangly, her stifle is healing I think, but today when I asked her to back she hesitated, wow, now I have to tell if it is physcal or behavoral when she hesitates... everyday there is something new to learn... I LOVE IT.. -- Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~If we all do a little, we will have a lot
Re: [IceHorses] Skye-Parelli question-Yo-Yo Game
With others, I really don't even use the yo-yo game, other than > to introduce them to it. If they are tuned in and respectful of space, I > see no reason to over use it. Definitely! Robyn S
[IceHorses] Anniversaries
Congratulations for everyone with an upcoming anniversary! Thirty-two years is wonderful! We've had seven years of marital bliss seven out of 30 is not bad! Just kidding! We're at thirty years... that's a long time! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:04:45 -, you wrote: > > >Dari was refusing to move at times, an associate of > >Bruno's started out riding Dari, he started refusing, Bruno fixed > >that. > > This is unclear - are you saying Bruno Podlech himself rode Dari, or > an associate of his? > Both of them, first the associate, then Bruno. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Handling Foals
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:02:22AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > I am not sure either. I had a history professor who was a Little Big > Horn/Custer buff. He took us to his home, where he had a locked room > containing stuff I really would have thought you'd find in a museum. > he had a lock.of custer's hair (it really was yellow!), a letter from > custer to his family, many guns, a tomahawk (the weight and leverage > of it would make it easy to kill someone), many many indian artifacts, > a lot of this stuff was not just from little big horn so could have > been from elsewhere, but I was very impresed with the stirrups, not > just that they were carved, but were very glossy and worn where a foot > would have rested, and he had some stuff from Abraham Lincoln, letters > etc and an actual scalp. yikes. eek for the scalp! that would totally creep me out. the rest of the collection sounds extremely cool, i'm glad he was a teacher and shared that with his students. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Handling Foals
He took us to his home, where he had a locked room > containing stuff I really would have thought you'd find in a museum. > he had a lock.of custer's hair (it really was yellow!), a letter from > custer to his family, many guns, a tomahawk (the weight and leverage > of it would make it easy to kill someone), many many indian artifacts, > a lot of this stuff was not just from little big horn so could have > been from elsewhere, Sounds like my kind of guy, I would love to see that stuff. our house is full of all kinds of artifacts, you should see the "Africa Room", nothing quite so valuable though. I have some stirrups from Tibet and a crupper I got there and but they are metal. Ann
RE: [IceHorses] BEARS
I like that--Majan Empire--sounds very suitable for a boss mare! :) Maja was only 3.5 when she came here and just six now. My old TWH mare must have been 19 at the time, and she'd always been in charge. She took one look at Maja, and apparently decided this was "the one" she could trust to replace her. It was like she just handed over the torch and retired, on the spot. The other, older mares who had been here longer just weren't worthy of Holly's blessing, I guess. There was no power-play, no scuffling. Holly even seemed to like her. I'd never seen such a young mare walk in and peacefully take 100% charge before. That was when Cary fell in love with her...she's just so...competent, confident and in control. But she's also a nice mare, one that you can just see wants to learn. He loves to tell people that she's special enough that even crusty old Holly recognized that special spark in her. Kola seems just like her mom, and there is another young Maja/Melnir in the oven for next spring. I know we're basically guessing as to why this actually transpired...but wouldn't you just love to know what makes some of these herd logistics take place? It fascinates me. Bjola and Maja had lived together in the past before they came here I think, but Bjola is three years older, and is Maja's aunt. They were immediately best friends. I think they remembered each other - for some reason, they liked each other a lot. They are both smart, in-charge mares. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM
Re: [IceHorses] The Icelandic Horse's Image
i saw a video of Tom Dorrance or Bill, i forget, the old man, someone had him work with a horse that would bite you. He would hold a crop out and when the horse swung to bite it had no choice but to run into the crop. Dorrance said "see, he is doing it to himself, not me" and I thought that was interesting. I ride with a crop to clear spider webs, etc. Interesting I can whack jaspar between the ears a good hard whack to kill a yellofly and he doesnt even flinch but if he is snatching bites and I give him a little smack on the neck for it oh my gosh you'd think he was beaten. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
> Is there anything comparable in english riding, or classical riding, to the > icelandic bit? a tom thumb. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
i know, you think, well, you dont want to spoil them, but they are used to you and the way you do things, then when someone real strict and stern comes along they are so afraid and startled they shut down the thinking part of the brain and go into the reactive part which is not learning at all. I have a problem of being too lenient then when I get fed up oh my god my horses scatter like I am godzilla, rising from the sea. But they KNOW me... i carry a huge long lunge whip to get them in from pasture and I have to whack the ground with it at their heels before they will even pay attention, but thats the sign, they know then I mean business... Fox is a little scared of the big whip, so I always wait til he is in his paddock and calm and walk to him with it and hold it while i pet him and stroke his shoulder with it and he licks and chews, nervous, but doesnt run away. But I can promise you if anyone ever laid a whip into him in anger and actually hit him with it i doubt he would EVER get over it... and thats the dilemma, the line between motivating them with the thinking part of the brain as opposed to scaring them because once they turn on the reactive part of the brain they arent learning they are fleeing. and then they havent learned anything but to fear you. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Handling Foals
On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > do you happen to know what nation they came from? > > > > They came from Little Big Horn. > > the battle? that would be sioux or cheyenne, yes? > > --vicka (not an american history whiz) > I am not sure either. I had a history professor who was a Little Big Horn/Custer buff. He took us to his home, where he had a locked room containing stuff I really would have thought you'd find in a museum. he had a lock.of custer's hair (it really was yellow!), a letter from custer to his family, many guns, a tomahawk (the weight and leverage of it would make it easy to kill someone), many many indian artifacts, a lot of this stuff was not just from little big horn so could have been from elsewhere, but I was very impresed with the stirrups, not just that they were carved, but were very glossy and worn where a foot would have rested, and he had some stuff from Abraham Lincoln, letters etc and an actual scalp. yikes. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Size of Iceland
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:00:54AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > > > because everyone from iceland here trains the same way? > > > janice-- > > > > No they do not..there are variances. > > how can you say that with such certainty. have you ever seen any > icelandic people over here training? or the results of their > training? some examples have been discussed at length on this list. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] BEARS
> Would any of those fillies be related to Maja, Bjola, Ima, or Kola by any > chance? I'd pity any bear that would venture into the "Majan Empire," as > Cary calls it. (She's his favorite mare, so it's not an insult, but a sign > of affection from him.) She doesn't quite have this prey/predator thing > worked out right. :) She is most respectful and friendly towards people, > but not always towards other intruders. She likes cats ok, thank goodness. > I've seen her go after deer, foxes and stray dogs, but that's about all we > have here. I like that--Majan Empire--sounds very suitable for a boss mare! :) My Icelandic is similar w/ dogs--he will pin his ears and chase them away if they get too close. But he doesn't like our cat either, and will try to chase and strike at the cat. Robyn S > > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 > 9:31 AM > > > > > IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, > contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and > unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- "Horses and life; it's all the same to me." ~Buck Brannaman
Re: [IceHorses] More o/t - Family Portrait
HAHHAHAHA brenda looks like jaspar always does when I bring a new horse home :) what a beautiful buncha guys! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Riding Styles / Snaffles / Icelandic Bit
> The shanked snaffle in western is similar and although it shouldn't be used > with a lot of contact sometimes it is. If you really want to cringe, watch some of the Western movies (especially the old ones) and watch how they pull on the reins with those long shanks and the horses are gaping their mouths open trying to get away from the pain. I just about can't watch those movies anymore because of it Laree
RE: [IceHorses] Strawberry / Paso Needs Home
from her depressed expression I would say she definitely IS in pain!> I am not in favor of keeping horses alive just because, but in all fairness, Mic, you can't tell that from the pictures. I had a horribly disfigured dog once, and I was told to put him down. I didn't...he simply wasn't ready to die. He had a great attitude and learned to run and play like any other dog. You would never have been able to see his spirit in pictures though. He lived another 5 years after his accident and died of totally unrelated causes. Right now, she is defending herself from a 10 month old, rambunctious colt and holding her own. We will be moving the colt soon. >> Well, she'll defend herself until she comes into season, then it'll be "take me take me big boy please" and I'm sure the colt will be only too pleased to oblige. And at 10 months he could well be fertile. According to my vet, the youngest known colt to father a foal was something like 14 months, and most are more like 18-24 months before they are fertile. In all fairness, they did say they are about to move him. The chances of a 10month old colt being fertile are virtually zero. If she's at a rescue home, I'm sure they are aware of such risks, and are probably doing the best they can with limited space. (I only assume that, because most rescue homes fill up very quickly.) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse Training in Iceland / Horsemanship
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:04:45 -, you wrote: >Dari was refusing to move at times, an associate of >Bruno's started out riding Dari, he started refusing, Bruno fixed >that. This is unclear - are you saying Bruno Podlech himself rode Dari, or an associate of his? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland / Handling Foals
> > do you happen to know what nation they came from? > > They came from Little Big Horn. the battle? that would be sioux or cheyenne, yes? --vicka (not an american history whiz)
Re: [IceHorses] Strawberry / Paso Needs Home
>Oh my gawd, I must have missed if there is a story behind this horse but I >would have to agree it looks like this poor horse must be very >uncomfortable. > I contacted the owner and found out more about her: >Strawberry is a 4 yr old TWH mare in need of a good home. Her back was >injured several years ago in an attack by a pack of dogs. The muscles along >her >back were injured. Her owners did not seek medical treatment. As a result >the wound did not heal properly and has left her disfigured with a hump in >her >back. Although she looks quite abnormal, she acts as if she is in no pain. from her depressed expression I would say she definitely IS in pain!> > >I met Strawberry in December 2006 after she had been "saved" from her >original owners. She was enclosed in a very small dirt corral with another >mare w/ >a new colt, several goats, one sheep, hogs and pigs, several turkeys, guinea >hens, chickens and roosters. The owners meant well but were in over their >heads financially and unable to properly feed and care for these animals. >All >the animals were thin and neglected. Their neglect has resulted in the Lee >County Humane Society being involved and requiring them to get rid of all the > >animals. > >During the past year I have taken hay and feed for the animals. I had not >been to the property for several months until early August when a friend and >I >took a new window unit A/C to the family during the recent heat wave. I was >appalled at what I found. There were now 13 goats (one new kid and another >pregnant nanny goat), the one sheep, 9 pigs/hogs, 8 new piglets (one has >since >been trampled and died), and one sheep along with the 3 horses. All of >these animals were in bad shape and highly stressed because of their living >conditions. Food and hay were scarce and there was no shelter or relief from >the >heat. > > >Since that day we have placed the goats and sheep in new permanent homes. >The three horses are being temporarily housed and cared for. The mare and >her >colt will easily find permanent homes, but Strawberry will need to be >adopted by someone who understands her limitations. Because of her back >injury she >is most likely unable to be ridden and it would be inhumane to consider >breeding her (which the previous owner's were planning). "Most likely unable to be ridden"?? Are you kidding??? > >She was seen by a vet at her previous home one time. ONE time? For an injury like that? >That vet felt that >Strawberry was not in any pain and could live out her years as a pet. The >back >problem is permanent and can not be fixed. > >The good news is after only one week in her new temporary home she is >approachableshe can run like the wind and is enjoying rolling in the >grass! >She has allowed her whiskers to be trimmed and will eat hand-fed treats! Her >hair has been trimmed for a halter path and putting the halter on is the next >step. She already enjoys being scratched and brushed. This horse can be >socialized if given the chance. She gets better every day. We will keep >working with her so she can at least be a pasture pet. We plan to have the >vet and >farrier out this week for her shots, Coggins and a hoof trim. > >She does not have appear to have any medical needs and shouldn't require any >more upkeep than your average horse. She is sound, eats well and gets along >with the other horses. She is at the bottom of the pecking order and so can >get picked on. But she is able to run, buck and kick and can defend herself. >Right now, she is defending herself from a 10 month old, rambunctious colt >and holding her own. We will be moving the colt soon. Well, she'll defend herself until she comes into season, then it'll be "take me take me big boy please" and I'm sure the colt will be only too pleased to oblige. And at 10 months he could well be fertile. Imagine that poor, poor mare having to carry a foal - and then give birth?! >We are hoping to find a place that will allow Strawberry to live in peace >and experience life as a normal horse, even if it is just for a while. She >has >had such a sad and stressful life so far, we would love to see her go to a >safe, rescue facility. If you could help Strawberry, we would be forever >grateful. > >You can see lots of photos of Strawberry at this link: >_http://community.webshots.com/user/sebi2i_ >(http://community.webshots.com/user/sebi2i) Sometimes I wonder about people... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Skye-Parelli question-Yo-Yo Game
> The goal really is to do everything at LIBERTY, you certanily don't > have a rope then, so, we have to learn to not use the rope when we > have it... Definitely! With respect to the yo yo game, both of mine will back up w/ a finger wiggle, whether they have a halter/rope on or not. Some of the other games are a bit rougher at liberty, but then we haven't practiced them a whole lot. Robyn S
