Re: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:48:12 -0500, you wrote: I am determined to have chickens once we are permanently settled here and I want to hear as much as possible from y'all. Especiall how to house them safely. We get a lot of foxes here too, so we have fenced off an area of about a quarter acres for the chickens, with stock fence and electric. They are shut into a foxproof wooden house at night. If you only have a few, just a small area is fine as a run for them - say, about 10 x 15ft for 3 or 4 chooks. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:59:49 -0500, you wrote: That's what I was wondering - I think we use about 2-dozen eggs per year! We sell all we can produce apart from a few for ourselves. I get £1.50 a dozen for them, and just stick a sign at the end of the drive. The eggs are kept in an old picnic cooler in the garage, with a pot of change, and people just help themselves. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:04:41 -0600, you wrote: I need to live in a place where diversity is accepted and welcomed with open arms Come and live in Pembrokeshire, S Wales. There was a 100% increase in racist incidents last year - from one to two. Our little village (around 150 full time residents) has at least 5 mixed race couples that I know of. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
RE: [IceHorses] hate crimes
Come and live in Pembrokeshire, S Wales. There was a 100% increase in racist incidents last year - from one to two. Our little village (around 150 full time residents) has at least 5-mixed race couples that I know of. Hate crimes happen everywhere - motivated by race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation... wouldn't we have to consider all the terrorist suicide bombing reported to be hate crimes? I can't remember ever hearing of one in my small community either, Mic, and there are interracial couples here too. After hearing the state of KY blasted for racism last night, which triggered Mary's question about in the state, just on a hunch, I did some searches for statistics on hate crimes in the USA. The FBI sites shows the number of hate crime incidents per year on http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/incidents.html and specifically per state on http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/table12.html I would expect there to be some diversity across the country in how these are reported, but interestingly enough, the top 15 states with the HIGHEST per capita reporting of hate crimes for 2006 are (in order): South Dakota, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Delaware, Kansas, Nevada, Virginia, Maine, Arkansas, Oregon. Nebraska, Maryland, Connecticut and California. The fifteen states with the LOWEST per capita reported incidents of hate crimes in 2006 are, in order: Mississippi, Alabama, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Louisiana, Wyoming, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, Utah, Indiana, Oklahoma, Wisconsin and Idaho. Kentucky was just behind Idaho, at 17th. The numbers are low, so trying to put a per capita ranking on these crimes is really pretty meaningless, but hate crimes were reported in 2006 in every state except Mississippi. If anyone can find a geographical pattern to these numbers re: state ranking, I'd like to know what it is, because I sure can't see a pattern. For instance, NC is low, but Virginia is high? Wyoming and Idaho are low, but South Dakota is high? Arkansas is high, but Louisiana is low? There are high and low incident rates in neighboring states across this country. Go figure... Interesting that three states with the highest incidents per capita of hate crimes are Maine, Connecticut and Massachusetts, since much of the country perceives New England as liberal... but I guess that just shows that no part of the country is immune from hate. Mary, I don't think I'd be any more worried living in KY than in California...but it only takes one nutcase to endanger any of us, no matter where we are. (Note that despite the infamous Oklahoma City bombing by white-supremacist-terrorist Timothy McVeigh, OK had lower than average number of hate crimes reported.) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
On 12/10/07 9:12 PM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah...Raymondville, MO... I LOVE to ride, spend a week or two there. It's a beautiful area!! But yes...no way could I live there. ;] When we lived in Shelbyville, we were told that we would get used to hearing the N word, in time. Problem was that I didn't ever want to get to that place where that word and other hateful words did not effect me. Now...remember this is MY experience and MY thoughts. Flame suit ON. Raven Raven, when you talked about the N-word, I originally thought that that referred to Northener. Ha, shows how naïve I am. But no, I have not heard it around here. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
On 12/10/07 9:04 PM, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...the love of my life (whom I didn't marry when asked in the past) is interested in living with me...it would be an interracial relationship...would that be something that wouldn't go over well in KY? I am not trying to upset anyone, but now more worried about my own safety Mary Mary: I don't know enough or enough people here for that matter to be able to answer that. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] hate crimes- Stop Please
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Re: [IceHorses] Good Cookie
What a cute picture. I love her big smile. Is she wearing just socks? Is there a place in the US where you could actually do that in December? It is icey cold and/or muddy here. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: safety modification to gate
- Original Message From: Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a welder come attach a 5 diameter sliding pipe with a handle which securely inserts into a large hole drilled into the gate post. We also for double safety had the welder weld a chain with a snap just long enough to go from just beneath the bolt to an eye bolt screwed into the wooden post next to where the bolt inserts. Even if the horses happen to slide the bolt, the gate can not swing more than 3 ...no one can get anything in between the gate the post this way. It's so easy to open, I can do it one handed . Can you send a picture of that, Kaaren? Ashley
RE: [IceHorses] hate crimes
Thank you for that! I would never had thought to search for statistics. I am aware that there are jerks everywhere...have run into my fair share of them. I would definitely not feel comfortable living with him here in Southern California...plenty of all races here, but this community in particular would be very wary... A good friend of mine who lives around Kansas City took me farm shopping out there earlier this year...there were two communities that the realtor had ready to show me, but she simply told him 'no'. When I asked her later on why, she said that they 'definitely not the community for me'. The next town over, though was OKagain...everyplace has jerks. Having lived in NYC for 4 years, I know that! *feels better about KY* Mic~my great aunt was Lord Mayor of Wales (let's see...that was 30 years ago) and I visited Wales for about 3 weeks at that time (I wasn't even 10 yet!)I also lived in and about London for about 1 year back in my whippersnapper daysif there was any way possible to move to the UK, believe me...I would move mountains to do it! Wales is such a neat country...BEAUTIFUL...people are rugged but niceI just spent 2 weeks with my Welsh cousins while they were here on vacation. I begged them to forget their son (who loved California) and take me back with them instead...yet here I sit :( Mary
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
when I lived in california many years, I was often surprised how some small towns, and even some large ones like bakersfield, had such a western influence. Because of all the Oklahoma and Arkansas dust bowl immigrants settling there. They seemed so southern to me and I felt very comfortable there with the country and very much southern feel. Towns like Elk Grove, Sacramento, Lodi, Stockton, are very agricultural and country with lots of people walking around in cowboy boots and hats. I loved it there. I grew up and live now in the most redneck part of florida and to me, the diversity here is ok, I dont ever hear the N word and there is lots of different cultures living here that everyone seems ok with, vietnamese and hispanic, and everything else really. But the thing I cant stand is the extreme Christian RIGHT. I have seen people lose their jobs because they were the wrong religion. I have been in government department head meetings where I had to sit and listen about THE LORD and how BLESSED we all were for over an hour. I would just get so tired of it. Not because I'm not christian, but because I believe every religion deserves respect and I would see people hurt by it, like one person, a Quaker, she did not pledge allegiance to the flag, they pratically persecuted her for it. That was so wrong. But aside from that, there is hate stuff everywhere, and what I do, I let it begin with me. If there is someone at work or wherever that people seem to be intolerant of, I try to be tolerant and open about it. I personally love the Southern culture and way of life, and most old timers here are so laid back and gentle about everything it would not occur to them to hate someone for what they are. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Are They Applauding?!?!
open mouths...I don't see it as the same thing as the photos with the horses with tight nosebands and the reins applying many pounds of pressure to the horse's mouth - which is different than having a light contact on the reins. Exactly...the obsession with having the mouth closed is probably why all these nosebands developed in the 1st placewhen in reality sometimes the horses just want to naturally open their mouth and there is no negative reason they are doing it, but people started saying it was bad in ANY instance. I see the same thing about the western peanut pushers- that all started with people saying if your horse's head is up he is not relaxed...well guess what? That is sometimes true and sometimes NOT...a horse can be curious or interested and have his head above his wither and still be relaxed and happy. I don't want to force my horse to conform to a standard that is false to her true state of mind just so she can look good. Ashley
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
Hate crimes...the top 15 states with the HIGHEST per capita reporting of hate crimes for 2006 are (in order): South Dakota, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Delaware, Kansas, Nevada, Virginia, Maine, Arkansas, Oregon. Nebraska, Maryland, Connecticut and California. Ya but Maine had 59, Kentucky 64 whereas California had 1297 and New York at 522 wasn't even in the top 15...
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 06:13:23AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/table12.html I would expect there to be some diversity across the country in how these are reported, but interestingly enough, the top 15 states with the HIGHEST per capita reporting of hate crimes for 2006 are (in order): South Dakota, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Delaware, Kansas, Nevada, Virginia, Maine, Arkansas, Oregon. Nebraska, Maryland, Connecticut and California. note that these are reported. i've lived in four of these states (massachusetts, new jersey, maryland, and briefly oregon) and all of them are ACTIVE in getting the don't tolerate hate message out. behaviors that get ignored in other places (i was shocked, my first time in georgia, at the racist graffiti in public rest rooms) get reported around here, though i'm not sure all that much is *done*. (not to say that racism is non-existant here -- it's here and it sucks. a colleague of mine is moving to france because he's sick of being picked on by cops, because obviously black neuroscientists pose such a severe danger to society :/ ) anyway, i suspect that the statistics are biased by reporting, i.e. what do the victims or witnesses of hate crimes think that reporting will *do* or *not do*? in some cases people i've known who were victims were reluctant to report because they thought it would do nothing or even increase their chances of future harrassment. having once reported an act of violence against myself, i have to say that the cops were less than supportive (*coughs*) and the court experience pretty ghastly too. Go figure... Interesting that three states with the highest incidents per capita of hate crimes are Maine, Connecticut and Massachusetts, since much of the country perceives New England as liberal... but I guess that just shows that no part of the country is immune from hate. i like to think that it's that new englanders are more aware of hate as socially unacceptable, and thus more likely to pursue action against it. Mary, I don't think I'd be any more worried living in KY than in California...but it only takes one nutcase to endanger any of us, no matter where we are. absolutely, in terms of outright endangerment. but there's another component, of how comfortable one feels in one's daily life, before the level of the incidents rises to crime. i was severely uncomfortable in the racist-graffiti-filled georgia restrooms, although no violence was occuring against me at the time. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
Actually, we had chickens when I was a kid and I'm not anxious to go back to those days. The bantam roosters would sometimes chase me Now we're getting down to the real issue...Karen is scared of roosters! ;) Sue
[IceHorses] Pignon Brothers
Back in 2004, we had talked about the Pignon Brothers, Frederic and Jean-Francois, and how they train their Andalusians and do shows at liberty. The Icelandic News recently said: One of the highest expectations on the horseshow in Globen was the extraordinary rider Jean-Francois Pignon. This horse trainer showed and confirmed that he is one of the greatest trainer in the world who breaks and trains horses with out any saddlery. It's undescribable what he made the horses do and you could see the jaws of the Icelandic riders drop while his show was going on. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Chick Flicks
I am watching the end of Hidalgo...I am just bawling...it is so beautiful, sad, terrific and heart-wrenching when he lets Hidalgo go with the herd. What is wrong with me? Is it just because I am a chick? Mary Dudley, LVT Hi Mary, Not at all...it is heartwarming! But he did forget to take his shoes off :-) . It's probably wierd that I noticed that but I am always checking out the tack and/or horses in the film background to see what they have on, especially movies that take place in different times, even different worlds (LOTR, The Illusionist, Pride Prejudice, etc.) Trish
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Dec 11, 2007 7:34 AM, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mic~my great aunt was Lord Mayor of Wales (let's see...that was 30 years ago) and I visited Wales for about 3 weeks at that time (I wasn't even 10 yet!) did you happen to see Tom Jones in Wales Mary?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Dec 11, 2007 5:13 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hate crimes happen everywhere - motivated by race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation... Karen, Why did you take this to an extreme? From hearing the N word and being uncomfortable and missing the culture in the MPLS-St Paul area, you have taken it to Hate Crimes... HUM interesting... -- I and my horses love our track system, take a look~~~ http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
[IceHorses] NickerNetwork
The founder of Nicker Communications, Sally Lasater, said, According to a recent article in the Los Angeles Times, the entertainment giants have proclaimed that the future lies online... Raven I believe her company used to be called HorseTV and had a monthly subscription fee to watch programs online. HorseTV used to be on public television in the Los Angeles area. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Dec 11, 2007 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: absolutely, in terms of outright endangerment. but there's another component, of how comfortable one feels in one's daily life, before the level of the incidents rises to crime. i was severely uncomfortable in the racist-graffiti-filled georgia restrooms, although no violence was occuring against me at the time. --vicka I have been uncomfortable in plenty of northern bathrooms myself. I would in fact go on record as saying I have been to hundreds of public restrooms in the deep south and none had more colorful graffiti than the public restrooms in NY state and california. I myself have personally left some graffiti in california public restrooms that baffle logical description but made great sense to me at the time. I dont think I would use the public restroom graffiti criteria for where to relocate tho. If so, no one would ever live in san fransisco or LA and everyone would be moving in droves to capistrano or Trinity Alabama. (all thats in Trinity ALabama is a huge divinity retreat)... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Are They Applauding?!?!
pushers- that all started with people saying if your horse's head is up he is not relaxed...well guess what? That is sometimes true and sometimes NOT...a horse can be curious or interested and have his head above his wither and still be relaxed and happy. I don't want to force my horse to conform to a standard that is false to her true state of mind just so she can look good. i like that Ashley, thank you. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
Now we're getting down to the real issue...Karen is scared of roosters! ;) now that just makes her a big CHICKEN dont it yuk yuk' janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
i wonder if any people ever passed through the state of georgia on their way home to sheboygan and left some graffiti in a georgia restroom that gave all south Georgia boys a bad name. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On 11/12/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the thing I cant stand is the extreme Christian RIGHT. I have seen people lose their jobs because they were the wrong religion. I have been in government department head meetings where I had to sit and listen about THE LORD and how BLESSED we all were for over an hour. That's the problem when the Church and Government lines get blurredone should never interfere or influence the other. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Chick Flicks
Not at all...it is heartwarming! But he did forget to take his shoes off :-) . It's probably wierd that I noticed that but I am always checking out the tack and/or horses in the film background to see what they have on, especially movies that take place in different times, even different worlds (LOTR, The Illusionist, Pride Prejudice, etc.) i saw that too Trish!! haha. gosh i loved that movie, and the man from snowy river too! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Icelandic Pony Horse
Let's get back on-topic to Icelandic Ponies / Icelandic Horses. Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Good Cookie
What a cute picture. I love her big smile. Is she wearing just socks? Is there a place in the US where you could actually do that in December? It is icey cold and/or muddy here. Yes, she rode with just socks as when she mounted her loafers fell off, so they were left there until the end of the ride. The little girl had fun leading her mom around on her first horse ride. It's pretty nice weather now; sweater yes, but not much more. Here's a short video from yesterday: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNuTi7T1ktk Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
I am a Sensation dealer as well as an Iceleandic owner. On my web-site, there is a testimonial page with pix/testimonials from quite a few Icey owners. I have personally sold Sensations to about 80 Icelandic owners over the 5 years I have been doing this could probably get permission from some of them for contact info. if you like. Robyn Hood from the Icelandic Horse Farm in Canada also has been a Senssation dealer for many years could give you detailed info as well. Contact me OFF LIST please. Kaaren Kaaren Jordan http://kaarenjordan.com
[IceHorses] Bits
For those who use bits with their IceHorses, which bit do you use, which bits seem to fit the interior structure of the Icelandic's mouth (without relying on a noseband to keep the mouth closed). Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Pignon Brothers
trains horses with out any saddlery. It's undescribable what he made the horses do and you could see the jaws of the Icelandic riders drop while his show was going on. There's a video of the show here: http://www.hestafrettir.is/veftv/default.asp?MovieID=442CategoryID=10 Looks like he's using an Icelandic, for a few minutes in the beginning. What's noticeable is that the Icelandic does not have the same athleticism as the Andalusian. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Pony Horse
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:18:26 -0800, you wrote: Let's get back on-topic to Icelandic Ponies / Icelandic Horses. Porses? Honies? ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
I live in Wisconsin too Cool! Where? I'm in western WI...just est of St. Paul, MN. 14-year-old red dun import Sounds pretty. ;] The Sensation just may be the saddle I've been looking for How's it going with the demo? What pad are you using with it? Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Bits
On Dec 11, 2007 10:30 AM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who use bits with their IceHorses, which bit do you use, which bits seem to fit the interior structure of the Icelandic's mouth (without relying on a noseband to keep the mouth closed). my most tendermouthed horse likes a D ring myler mullen with a barrel in the middle so much we tried it on Traveller and he likes it too. I might try it on Tivar altho he seems best so far in his sidepull. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Pony Horse
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:37:53PM +, Mic Rushen wrote: Porses? Honies? porsches! honeys! --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Pignon Brothers
http://www.hestafrettir.is/veftv/default.asp?MovieID=442CategoryID=10 It's a 30 minute movie, so it takes quite a while to buffer. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
On Dec 10, 2007 9:31 PM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen...I did not appreciate living in an area where I heard the N word as part of a conversation. Back off. Raven This must be a cultural thing because I'm not sure I know what the N word is...I do know what the F word is V
Re: [IceHorses] Pignon Brothers
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:58:30 -0800, you wrote: http://www.hestafrettir.is/veftv/default.asp?MovieID=442CategoryID=10 It's a 30 minute movie, so it takes quite a while to buffer. The Icelandic looks SO nasty! Ears pinned, tail lashing yes, he's well trained, but he doesn't look one bit happy. : ( Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
[IceHorses] Liz's new pony
i think its gaited. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo attachment: liz.jpg
Re: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
On Dec 10, 2007 9:33 PM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you know what ,,,living in an area such as thatas a NON WHITE WOMAN... Oops...I should've kept reading the posts, I think I know what N word you're all referring to... V
Re: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
On Dec 10, 2007 10:04 PM, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...the love of my life (whom I didn't marry when asked in the past) is interested in living with me...it would be an interracial relationship...would that be something that wouldn't go over well in KY? I am not trying to upset anyone, but now more worried about my own safety OMG! Is that really an issue in the states?!! V
Re: [IceHorses] Pignon Brothers
The Icelandic looks SO nasty! Ears pinned, tail lashing yes, he's well trained, but he doesn't look one bit happy. My guess is that he added the Icelandic to his regular routine specifically for this show, so the horse probably hadn't had much training. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Bits
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:30:39AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: For those who use bits with their IceHorses, which bit do you use, which bits seem to fit the interior structure of the Icelandic's mouth (without relying on a noseband to keep the mouth closed). i use a french-link full-cheek snaffle. i don't use a noseband that comes anywhere near stjarni's mouth, and he opens it sometimes, so i'm pretty sure that's not doing much :) i *think* it's 4 and 3/4 and the mouth is one of those coppery-looking alloy types. stjarni is -- i should say, has become since i got him -- a horse who really loves being massaged. this includes my massaging his gums and tongue and lips and palate. i've done this with and without his bit in his mouth, and have found no particular pressure points or sore spots, and he seems comfortable either way. (his favorite spot is the gums in the back of the jaw, far behind the bit.) so i think it fits him. at one point though my crownpiece/cheekpiece arrangement seemed to stretch a bit, and the bit contacted one of his wolf teeth, and that made him cranky; i fixed it by going up one notch on the buckle. so as with any other tack i'd suggest rechecking fit now and again, esp. if the honey seems unhappy in any way. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] latch photos for Wanda
Interesting. Thanks Anna. Where do you buy them? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Chick Flicks
I am watching the end of Hidalgo...I am just bawling...it is so beautiful, sad, terrific I cry at dog food commercials. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[IceHorses] bits
There are so many bits it makes my head spin Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:10:37AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: a bit, and the bit contacted one of his wolf teeth, and that made him cranky; i fixed it by going up one notch on the buckle. Have you thought about having his wolf teeth taken out? i've talked about it with my equine dentist, but since there is plenty of room for a bit with stjarni's teeth intact and they aren't rotted or pressing into his gums anywhere, we agreed it wasn't necessary. and i am very, very against unnecessary surgery of any sort. --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: safety modification to gate
Sorry, don't have the type digital interface to do this. I can't even log onto the list to get pix. You can call me privately I can describe what was done though. Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] latch photos for Wanda
On Dec 11, 2007 12:45 PM, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Thanks Anna. Where do you buy them? The local Tractor Supply Store. -- Anna Southern Ohio
RE: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
a bit, and the bit contacted one of his wolf teeth, and that made him cranky; i fixed it by going up one notch on the buckle. Have you thought about having his wolf teeth taken out? Christine here = Robyn and Phil are on their way to California delivering some horses and visiting their daughter Mandy who is training horses in Modesto - Taking the wolfteeth out was my first thought as well, but when I kept reading and saw that the problem was solved by raising the bit I bet she meant canine teeth, not wolfteeth. The wolfteeth are really small and tucked right against the molars. The visible ones that are usually by themselves halfway between the molars and incisors are canine teeth. Christine
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
Well, if I did, I was only 8 or 9, so Tom Jones meant NOTHING to me (unlike now where I am indeed a member of the church) -- Mary Dudley, LVT Fandango Ranch Registered Rocky Mountain and Icelandic Horses www.fandangoranchrockies.com
Re: [IceHorses] bits
On 12/11/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are so many bits it makes my head spin Lorraine Liz Graves has a video you can get from her website that explains what bits are used for what. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Breed Snob
We've been off on such a tangent. Congratulations for recognizing the love of your life and getting back together! Don't worry if he likes quarter horses, you can work it out. If he likes noisy dirt bikes, I could pray maybe. Nancy p.s.Our daughter, an endurance rider, is married to a wonderful guy who rides noisy bikes. We've adjusted.
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
On 12/11/07 3:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if I did, I was only 8 or 9, so Tom Jones meant NOTHING to me (unlike now where I am indeed a member of the church) -- Mary Dudley, LVT Y'all probably call me ignorant, but who is Tom Jones? Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Breed Snob
So...the love of my life (whom I didn't marry when asked in the past) is interested in living with me...it would be an interracial relationship... i could put up with an inetrracial thing but he isnt a quarterhorse person is he?!? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
On 12/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if I did, I was only 8 or 9, so Tom Jones meant NOTHING to me (unlike now where I am indeed a member of the church) you are a member of the Tom Jones church too??!? Wow. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
i've talked about it with my equine dentist, but since there is plenty of room for a bit with stjarni's teeth intact and they aren't rotted or pressing into his gums anywhere, we agreed it wasn't necessary. and I am very, very against unnecessary surgery of any sort. I do believe that's the first time I've ever heard the removal of wolf teeth termed surgery - they just pop 'em out most of the time! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
Christine here = Robyn and Phil are on their way to California delivering some horses and visiting their daughter Mandy who is training horses in Modesto - Taking the wolfteeth out was my first thought as well, but when I kept reading and saw that the problem was solved by raising the bit I bet she meant canine teeth, not wolfteeth. The wolfteeth are really small and tucked right against the molars. The visible ones that are usually by themselves halfway between the molars and incisors are canine teeth. Ok, sorry - I should have kept reading. Yep, maybe she meant canines, not wolf teeth. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
Y'all probably call me ignorant, but who is Tom Jones? Oh my - how does one begin to explain Tom Jones?!!! Anneliese, I guess you were still living in Germany in the mid-late 1960's? He had a certain effect on some women of the time - I believe he was one of the first singers that women in the audience would throw their panties onto the stage for. I remember him - but I guess I was marginally pre-hormonal in his heyday. I know Janice will be offended, but I do not belong to the Church of Tom Jones. Sigh...I never fit in with the cool kids... ;) Here are a couple of YouTube videos: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gvmyTZEqlo8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SGf0sZEB6Pc Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] latch photos for Wanda
On 12/11/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Thanks Anna. Where do you buy them? Wanda - go to www.tractorsupply.com and put gate latches in the search bar - I think they are the first two items to come up but the pictures aren't the best -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Bits
On 12/11/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who use bits with their IceHorses, which bit do you use, which bits seem to fit the interior structure of the Icelandic's mouth (without relying on a noseband to keep the mouth closed). I use a loose ring 3 piece snaffle for Doppa that has sweet iron bars and a copper knob (?) in the middle. She definitely likes this bit and I don't use any noseband. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:33:36PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: I do believe that's the first time I've ever heard the removal of wolf teeth termed surgery - they just pop 'em out most of the time! uh huh. i've had eight teeth just popped out myself. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:34:47PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: Ok, sorry - I should have kept reading. Yep, maybe she meant canines, not wolf teeth. i'm sorry, but i don't know my equine jaw anatomy well enough to say. the dentist called them wolf teeth, fwiw. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Pignon Brothers
What's noticeable is that the Icelandic does not have the same athleticism as the Andalusian. You think not? I thought they were both built just like Standarbreds... :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM
Re: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
I love my roosters, but there are some that can be TROUBLE, the best thing I have found is to handle them everyday while they are little, get the day old, and get them right away, handle them a lot, then they are very loving... I have had some really funny and sad experiences with our chickens... I think I could write a book for the silly chickens, however, we needed the space for the hay, cause we just could not get help to throw the hay up on the loft this year, so we took apart their stall, wel, they are sitting on the hay now, that is in their stall, dang... I need to find a better system for my 5... I have a buff, 2 blue layers, a lace one, and a Lacy rooster... -- I and my horses love our track system, take a look~~~ http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
RE: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
Wolfteeth are usually the size of a human's babytooth, so yes, they usually pop out quite easily, unless they have been damaged by the bit, which happens quite often. We always have them taken out before the horse ever carries a bit. Christine Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
On 12/11/07 4:53 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my - how does one begin to explain Tom Jones?!!! Anneliese, I guess you were still living in Germany in the mid-late 1960's? He had a certain effect on some women of the time - I believe he was one of the first singers that women in the audience would throw their panties onto the stage for. I remember him - but I guess I was marginally pre-hormonal in his heyday. I know Janice will be offended, but I do not belong to the Church of Tom Jones. Sigh...I never fit in with the cool kids... ;)U I arrived on these shores in 1965, so after having looked at the youtube clips you so kindly provided, I can vaguely remember. But I have never been a fan of pop music or stars for that matter. (I like classical music). And I never would have made it to the desk in Want to be a millionaire because never knew the answers to questions about shows or movies or film or pop stars, even though I was able to usually figure out all the geographic, latin, plant and animal general question. So explain again: Church of Tom Jones??? I guess I am ridiculously naïve. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones - congregation
I ADORE Tom Jones! My almost ex finally took me to see him this year at one of the local casinos...man...STILL HOT! -- Mary Dudley, LVT Fandango Ranch Registered Rocky Mountain and Icelandic Horses www.fandangoranchrockies.com
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones - congregation
On 12/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ADORE Tom Jones! My almost ex finally took me to see him this year at one of the local casinos...man...STILL HOT! your almost ex ?? I hope tom jones didnt instigate that any :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On 11/12/2007, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wolfteeth are usually the size of a human's babytooth, so yes, they usually pop out quite easily, unless they have been damaged by the bit, which happens quite often. We always have them taken out before the horse ever carries a bit. Christine Our boys all had their wolf teeth pulled as they were being gelded. I had Gusti and Peppy's teeth looked at this past fall. Gusti had a small ulcer starting. I knew something was wrong because he was so fussy about his mouth. But the vets were surprised he was reacting at all because the ulcer was so small. So I'll have to remember thatGusti will fuss almost immediately when something isn't right. Dagur and Solon are next on the list. I will have them checked in the spring before their serious training starts. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On 11/12/2007, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wolfteeth are usually the size of a human's babytooth, so yes, they usually pop out quite easily, unless they have been damaged by the bit, which happens quite often. We always have them taken out before the horse ever carries a bit. Christine Say, Christine, how is your arm? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On 11/12/2007, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say, Christine, how is your arm? Wanda Rats! Sorry, I meant to send that privately. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
On 12/11/07, Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So explain again: Church of Tom Jones??? I guess I am ridiculously naïve. Anneliese sometimes to be funny I am ridiculous annaleise. I saw on youtube a man started a church based on worshipping tom jones so I joked that I was a member haha. I dont even particularly like tom jones. I was teasing Mic about him tho cause he is from wales. I actually was way hot for George of the Beatles but nobody started a church about him :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
On 12/11/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wolfteeth are usually the size of a human's babytooth, so yes, they usually pop out quite easily, unless they have been damaged by the bit, which happens quite often. We always have them taken out before the horse ever carries a bit. Christine on a serious note... i read somewhere that wolf teeth or canine teeth can be like human wisdom teeth and not fully pop thru the gum and stay right under the gum and are sore so that when the bit hits they are in a lot of pain. maybe someone on here said it! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Angie's groupies
On 12/9/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note the peanut gallery lined up in the background. I am so jealous. She had more friends than I do. haha Lorraine but her friends are more nosey than yours! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Christine's Arm
Say, Christine, how is your arm? Wanda Rats! Sorry, I meant to send that privately. Yes, but you didn't. So... hi Christine. What happened to your arm and is it ok? Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] bits
Liz Graves has a video you can get from her website that explains what bits are used for what. janice -- Cool. Thanks. I have been a hackamore girl for so many year. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
RE: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
on a serious note... i read somewhere that wolf teeth or canine teeth can be like human wisdom teeth and not fully pop thru the gum and stay right under the gum and are sore so that when the bit hits they are in a lot of pain. maybe someone on here said it! I think that would be true about the wolf teeth, but not the canines. They aren't the same teeth. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
In the meantime she's exposing us to some culture by discussing why her church feels it necessary to dress like Mr. Peanut. Truth be told...I really don't know what Janice is up to most of the time. mr peanut is an icon, a true son of the South. A lot of people think he is a fictional character but he was a real man. he wore spats and carried a cane and wore a top hat. his mothers maiden name was Le Gume. She was french. In 1890 Mr. peanut was attending classes at Tuskeegee Institute in Alabama and happened to be in a class taught by a professor named george Washington Carver who could care less about peanuts at the time but was so mightily impressed by his gifted young student that he actually became obsessed and started stalking him and in a weak and pitiable effort at impressing his young almost protege, he began to come up with all sorts of employment opportunities for Mr. peanut upn graduation. Thus we now have peanut butter and peanut oil and peanut jelly beans and even a national Peanut festival held every year not 30 miles from my house. Ironically the thing most crowded at the national peanut festival every year is the corn dog booth. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] OT - Chickens
... I think I could write a book for the silly chickens, however, we needed the space for the hay, cause we just could not get help to throw the hay up on the loft this year, so we took apart their stall, wel, they are sitting on the hay now, that is in their stall, dang... Debbie K. Y'all chicken owners would enjoy the book Zen and the Art of Chicken Maintenance. I'm a wannabe chicken owner who can only dream Trish (who feels like I'm back in California with 80 degree days and a 3.1 earthquake on Friday morning) ;-)
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
I think it is possible that Janice is a genius - or (conversely) some kind of a nut. The two are similar, I'm told. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
I'm new to the group, and looking for a saddle to fit my Icelandic gelding. Any feedback from the group on Sensation treeless saddles? Thanks, Hi Dorothy, and welcome to the list. Was it you who asked about the durability of the Sensations on the treeless list? I got my first one about four years ago I think it was, and they've become our favorites. All of my horses do well in them - doesn't mean that EVERY Icelandic will do well with them, but a lot do. I sold my first couple to upgrade to newer models, but they seem to hold up well. And, they have a neat modular design - you can replace the felt inner panels or the seats independently, should you ever have any wear and you sure can't do that with many saddles. We currently have five - two Hybrids, one dressage and one English trail. I've never met a Sensation that I didn't like. :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
sometimes to be funny I am ridiculous annaleise. I saw on youtube a man started a church based on worshipping tom jones so I joked that I was a member haha. Thank you Janice: You know, sometimes I am so ignorant about some things that I actually do take you seriously. From what I saw in the youtube clips Karen sent, he would fall into the category of culture shock for me. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Bits
For those who use bits with their IceHorses, which bit do you use, which bits seem to fit the interior structure of the Icelandic's mouth (without relying on a noseband to keep the mouth closed). We use a lot of double-jointed snaffles too, some with French link centers, and some with the peanut/oval middles. Melnir likes the three-piece Happy Mouths, but I mostly use stainless steel. I also have one of the mullen-mouth snaffles like the picture Wanda sent in - that's often the first bit we put in a horse's mouth. I also have a couple of mullen or low-port Kimberwickes, and some short-shanked mullen mouth Pelhams, but at the moment, I'm not using a Kimberwicke or Pelham on anyone. Saga seems to do better in a sidepull, but she's not too picky. I don't think the side-rings make too much difference - except that the full-cheeks can be weapon if your horse moves quickly, so they aren't my favorites. I guess I prefer d-ring or eggbutt bits, since they aren't as easy to pull through a horse's mouth during early flexing/bending training as is a loose-ring. (Of course, we try to teach the flexing/bending stuff first from the ground with a halter, so I don't really think that's a big deal. Plus you can always use a chin strap with a loose ring.) I also have several nasty bits that came with some of my first horses, as well as some bits I've bought in lots on ebay over the years. Sometimes bits look better in the catalogs than they do in person. I never use nosebands, but I'm a big fan of the halter/sidepull/bridle combinations, like the Moss Rock Freedom bridle and the Nicker's Saddlery Harmony Bridle. I like the convenience of being able to switch to a halter or sidepull while I'm out on the trail if a reason comes up. I have a thing about not leading a horse by the bit, so even if the bit is still in the horse's mouth and I have to get off, I move the rein snap to the halter ring. Anyway, I tend to be very much a less is more type when it comes to tack, especially bits. Karen Thomas, Nc
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
From what I saw in the youtube clips Karen sent, he would fall into the category of culture shock for me. I should send you a couple of other Tom Jones clips I saw on YouTube when I was looking for those. Man, he's still gyrating at age 67...but he seems to have lost his voice. Those were culture shock to me too, Anneliese! Like this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2x-3nl5jM_w It's kinda scary to me... (sort of like a bantam rooster...) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Bits / Wolf Teeth
Wolfteeth are usually the size of a human's babytooth, so yes, they usually pop out quite easily, unless they have been damaged by the bit, which happens quite often. We always have them taken out before the horse ever carries a bit. More info and picture of location of wolf teeth: http://iceryder.net/wolfteeth.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
On 11/12/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is possible that Janice is a genius - or (conversely) some kind of a nut. The two are similar, I'm told. Yes, she's like a savant... There are a handful of people that can make me spew my tea and laugh out loud...she's one of them. I love her for it :)... Wanda off to look at wolf teeth
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
oh gosh everyone is bragging on me and making me blush. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
I should send you a couple of other Tom Jones clips I saw on YouTube when I was looking for those. Man, he's still gyrating at age 67...but he seems to have lost his voice. Those were culture shock to me too, Anneliese! Like this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2x-3nl5jM_w It's kinda scary to me... (sort of like a bantam rooster...) Bantam, rooster is about right, but I can see how people might get enthusiastic - the tune is catchy, kinda groovy. But give me Joseph Schmidt (one of the great tragedies caused by the ^%$# Nazis) or Pavarotti any time... Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Tom Jones
On 12/11/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is possible that Janice is a genius - or (conversely) some kind of a nut. The two are similar, I'm told. Nancy George Washington Carver of the Tuskegee Institute came up with 489 things to do with a peanut, you know. He was african american and from alabama and was/is/much revered in the south. His peanut science helped the south transition from cotton to peanuts after the boll weevil destroyed the cotton crops (and the economy with it). Enterprise alabama is the only place in the world with a monument in the town center that is a statue of a giant boll weevil. It is their tribute and thanks to an insect that wiped them out and in doing so, sorta forced them to switch to peanut growing, which made them a boom town economically. I aint making any of this up, you can google it if you dont believe me! I will take a picture of the boll weevil monument next time i go thru there and post it if you dont believe it. And horses love peanuts, shelll and all. George washington carver even made textile cloth out of peanut hulls. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bits
For those who use bits with their IceHorses, which bit do you use, which bits seem to fit the interior structure of the Icelandic's mouth (without relying on a noseband to keep the mouth closed). Judy Hi I use a Myler. It is a snaffle with two joints that operate independantly of one another (so if you pick up the right rein, the left side of the mouth doesn't feel it (much). The mouth piece is sweet iron with copper inlay. The mouth piece has a slight curve to offer some tongue relief but not so much that it pushes on the roof of her mouth. D ring (I don't like loose ring snaffles as they often pinch the corners of the horse's mouth - have never had one but have seen it happen too many times in other peoples' horses mouths). Drifa seems quite happy with it. Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
I've never met a Sensation that I didn't like. :) That is funny. I am in love with the trail model Judy let me try. Carla has a cool one that is Western. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Bits
I use a Myler. It is a snaffle with two joints that operate independantly of one another (so if you pick up the right rein, the left side of the mouth doesn't feel it (much). The mouth piece is sweet iron with copper inlay. The mouth piece has a slight curve to offer some tongue relief but not so much that it pushes on the roof of her mouth. D ring (I don't like loose ring snaffles as they often pinch the corners of the horse's mouth - have never had one but have seen it happen too many times in other peoples' horses mouths). Drifa seems quite happy with it. Penny P.S, I don't use a noseband. If I did, I would use a cavesson and not a dropped nose band. In my opinion, it is too easy to get the dropped noseband too tight and thus prevent them from relaxing their jaws and opening their mouths, and also cut off some of their nostril flaring capacity. I want my horse to ba able to open her mouth if I am getting too heavy handed - useful feedback for me. Penny
