Re: [IceHorses] Maggie off-topic
I guess Maggie is close to 4 months old. She's finally losing her front baby teeth. She's been with us almost 2 months now. She's a beautiful puppy. Maybe we should take guesses as to her mature weight. I think she's going to be a biggish dog. Nancy
RE: Re [Icehorses] Lilja says howdy!
If Teev does good in his sidepull, would he rather have the 1/2 bosal nose or the Parelli type noseband you think?? Janice, The one that's most like a regular side-pull is the Enduro. That's the one Lil had on in the pic. The 1/2 bosal is like a gentle rope bosal and the reins tie under the chin. The Parelli style one is exactly like the Parelli halter/bridle with a mecate style rope attached. Lil prefers to be directed from the side, but Tyra does fine with the reins coming from underneath. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
When I was ready to move forward, Tyra already knew the commands walk and trot, so I just asked her to walk and it she stepped forward even one step, I clicked and went to her to reward, so she wouldn't turn around for it. Renee - I have started several horses ground driving by myself and this is key - they need to know the stand, walk up and trot voice command. Once they know those, it's usually pretty simple for them to get the idea. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
When I was ready to move forward, Tyra already knew the commands walk and trot, so I just asked her to walk and it she stepped forward even one step, I clicked and went to her to reward, so she wouldn't turn around for it. Renee - I have started several horses ground driving by myself and this is key - they need to know the stand, walk up and trotvoice command. Okay girls. Thanks for the help! I've got to back up and teach some voice commands in hand it seems. Then, I think Mic's idea would be a good way to give her a jackpot with the clicker. : ) -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
On 3/30/08, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/03/2008, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I think we need to come up with a different term other than traditional riding when talking about what is currently done. I agree. Wanda I agree too. Could it be called european style riding? But that would include Mic in Wales and Sue in UK who dont seem to go along those lines. You could say european minus UK style riding or german influenced riding. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Rainy Sat Morning
what a cute bunch of fur babies. great toe warmers. ;p] Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Maggie off-topic
She's a beautiful puppy. Maybe we should take guesses as to her mature weight. I think she's going to be a biggish dog. Thanks. I think she's one of the prettiest mutts I've ever seen - we're SO happy we kept her, and SO happy she doesn't have any lasting effects from her neck injury...well, except for a couple of rather ugly scars that are mostly hidden in her fur. She's so smart and people-oriented. I think biggish is right. I don't see her being one of the monster breeds...I'd guess she's going to be 60-65-ish, and hopefully no bigger. That's fine, although I initially hoped for 40-50-ish. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Maggie off-topic
she is beautiful! Definitely something spaniel-ish about the ears! Or almost bloodhound-ish! Does she bay? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Damn Wind
On 3/30/08, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:45:26 -0700, you wrote: Arrrggg! I agree I'll ride in the snow, cold, etc but not in this wind. Good job you don't live here - a day with only a 40mph wind is a quiet day... Mic is that why they call it the wild moor in all the sherlock holmes books... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Sarah's suggestions
Jacki I have forgotten where you are but I was perusing dreamhorse tonight and found all of these potentially wonderful companions: Hi Sarah, Wow, thanks for doing all that research! Sadly I live in Maryland, so had dismissed those guys back when I first looked at them. Long way to ship a project horse that people expect you to pay for on top of the shipping cost. But keep up the good work! Clearly I have my best people on this task of finding Svort a friend. Jacki and Svort (who currently lives at a friend's house and doesn't even know she is going to be lonely come summer when we move just so she can come live with us)
[IceHorses] Re: [Blind in one eye Icelandic on Dreamhorse
Hey Janice, Thanks, that is the horse that they are asking $3500 for. Lives nearby in Virginia though... Jacki
Re: [IceHorses] Gelding in AZ For Sale
On 3/31/08, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a 5 / 6 year old registered gelding, not yet started for sale for $1,000. Not a rescue or a rehab. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com what a cutie patootie, and what a deal for the right home (I hope I hope a good forever home is out there) Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Shots-Vaccines
It also brings up another question. The dog who died was a pug. I am going to try not to insult anyone too much - but - what are people thinking about when they deliberately breed dogs that are so malformed as to be almost non-functional? Pugs, because of the way they are built (by humans), have skin problems, eye problems, ear problems, teeth problems... You aren't insulting me, because I agree. Frank is our second pug, but he and Johnny were both rescues/throwaways. Sweet, loving dogs, nice pets...but why the need for the extremes? When you look at pics of pugs back in history (and they've been around for a long time), they don't look anything like the extremes today. I'd love to have one of those pre-designer versions. In fact, I am never going to be a dog breeder, but if I ever got a chance to get a genuine accident puppy that was half-Pug or half-Boston, I'd jump at the chance to check one out. I don't like the idea of designer cross-breeds at all, or the purebreds that have been bred to extremes, but Bostons and Pugs are really nice pets that have been bred into virtual freaks. I wonder if it's too late to breed them back to what they used to be...? Probably? Isn't that just sad...? Gosh, don't we hope that people aren't looking back at the history of Icelandic's with such regret in 50-100 years...? FWIW, though, Johnny (our first pug) had breathing problems when we got him. He was three. He died last year at age 16, overweight all of his life. His vision was still good, but he was deaf the lat 2-3 years. He never showed any skin problems either. I hope Frank will live an equally long and trouble-free life, but the odds probably aren't in his favor. My Boston Terrier died last fall at age 11, totally blind, with many missing teeth, and with problems with her spine. She'd had problems for several years... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Maggie off-topic
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Maggie is close to 4 months old. She's finally losing her front baby teeth. She's been with us almost 2 months now. She says retriever to me and I'm guessing 70 - 80 solid pounds when she's fully matured. Whatever she is, she looks like a doll -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Companion for Svort
And yet another X - I know that he has been discussed before. I love this guy and if I could I would snatch him up: http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1192340 This one has the same sire as Tosca and probably the same Peruvian Paso grandmother. She's an awfully nice pony. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
On 3/30/08, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/03/2008, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I think we need to come up with a different term other than traditional riding when talking about what is currently done. I agree. Since this type of riding seems to stem from the show/evaluation world, I would like to see that incorporated into the term. Maybe something like 'show style riding/training'. Or maybe we can think of something that would be descriptive or specific like TW people using the term 'Big Lick' . I hate using the term 'Icelandic' in the terminology. I'm sure that there are many native Icelandic people that we are unfairly labeling and alienating. People that are using gentle training methods and are open to learning about saddle fit etc. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
Maybe something like 'show style riding/training'. Or maybe we can think of something that would be descriptive or specific like TW people using the term 'Big Lick' . I hate using the term 'Icelandic' in the terminology. I'm sure that there are many native Icelandic people that we are unfairly labeling and alienating. People that are using gentle training methods and are open to learning about saddle fit etc. I agree, Anna, and think that's a good term to use Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:45 -0400, you wrote: Maybe something like 'show style riding/training' Good one, Anna. Calling it Icelandic-style has been one thing that has really put me off over the years. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Shots-Vaccines
my daughter has an english bulldog she paid 2000 for. When I freaked out about the cost she said it cost that or more to provide vet care to the mother to deliver a litter. Has to be caesarian, no other way. Her 2000 dog has yeast in the creases and folds of her face and has to be constantly swiped with these special yeast creams, had eye things that had to be surgically removed, can;t exercise in heat or will keel over dead cause it cant breathe, weighs so much one person cant pick it up if attacked by another dog etc, cant get up on the bed or furniture by itself, I cant even remember all the probs. but we all sure love her. She is the coolest, sweetest dog, but i dont think i would deliberately take that on, the vet expenses... As for horse vaccines, why would you not do it, what are your reasons? What do you think vaccinations cause, as Skye says, she is afraid of death? I wonder why others would not do it... especially diseases that are a threat to humans and enter thru our pets like rabies. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Beet Pulp cookies
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh wow, i gotta try this. I guess you squeeze all the water out of the beet pulp? Is that a dumb question?? No, just put enough in to fluff it. Or, in other words, I put hot water and apple juice til you could just see it (not covered the beet pulp entirely) and covered it with a towel while I put the carrots in the chopper. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teev was so serious you know, very solemn and grumpy like a little man, with his yankee doodle DRAFT HORSE SIZED carriage plume... I didnt get a teeny one, i wanted to make sure people could see it! OH, OH Whisper needs a pink one!! Tell me if you see one! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Sarah's suggestions
Wow, thanks for doing all that research! Sadly I live in Maryland, so had dismissed those guys back when I first looked at them. Yes, I was afraid of that! Looking at horses on dreamhorse is a favorite past time of mine - perhaps I could be a professional horse matchmaker :) Good luck - I am sure the perfect horse will surface at just the right time and place. Sarah
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Companion for Svort
In a message dated 3/30/2008 9:12:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I was going to buy the bottom gelding last year before she got on him. The hauler was up there and said no he was too spooky. I was sorry l didn't buy him then. Now he is the same price and started so he should make someone a _http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1192340_ (http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1192340) great horse. I would love to have him myself. I just love Paso's. Sylvia **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301)
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
Or maybe we can think of something that would be descriptive or specific like TW people using the term 'Big Lick' . I hate using the term 'Icelandic' in the terminology. yes you could compare it to bell boot style riding but some might use bell boots for a good reason, boots that arent weighted? Actually, the exaggerated front end action in a show icelandic is no different than exaggerating the action in a walking horse thru weighted shoes. they do it with weighted boots on icelandics. And big lick is derived from the descriptive name of the sound it makes when the high action front feet hit the ground in a loud striking sound. In the country they call this loud hitting sound a big lick. like splitting logs give it a big lick or when a horse was really gaiting smooth and lifting those front legs naturally, they would say he went by hitting a big lick or you should see him hit a lick. It wasnt a derogatory terminology til you added the padded shoes and soring. So i think you could start calling it big lick icelandic show style riding and then when people actually realize what it means it could be referred to as icelandic big lick showing. Because I know when the action is that high, it makes a loud sound when they hit hard ground in a show ring, a big lick sound, no different at all than the sound of a big lick in a walking horse show. they go by and you hear the big lick when the front feet hit whop whop whop whop. a big lick. Its not different in icelandic showing. not one iota difference at all. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
Since this type of riding seems to stem from the show/evaluation world, I would like to see that incorporated into the term. Maybe something like 'show style riding/training'. I think show style is the key too. I don't like putting German or European in the description either, since we find the bad style creeping into the USA, and because there are good German riders and good European riders. As I've said before, the two people that I first met in this breed were Anneliese Virro and Christine Schwartz, coincidentally both Germans now living in North America, and both gave me great impressions of how to go about training these horses gently and humanely. Show style isn't enough though - we'd have to include something breed specific, since Icelandic showing is typically nothing like Arabs, w/p, hunters or dressage...and that gets us back to using the breed name, Icelandic. How would we get around that, without causing more confusion? Or maybe we can think of something that would be descriptive or specific like TW people using the term 'Big Lick' . I've always thought of them as Chin Hitters since the ridiculously manipulated knee action looks like that's the goal. I hate using the term 'Icelandic' in the terminology. I'm sure that there are many native Icelandic people that we are unfairly labeling and alienating. People that are using gentle training methods and are open to learning about saddle fit etc. That's likely true, but on the other hand, the HORSES do have Icelandic in their breed name, and I don't think we plan to rename the breed. We often talk about Arabs, Peruvians, Anglos (Anglo-Arabs) etc., without fear of people in those areas/countries taking offense, or without implying a compliment to the entire country, depending on the context. I don't see any need to be overly sensitive about the Icelandic nationality. I think we talk about the HORSES on this list. Wanda is 100% Icelandic by birth, and we all know we're not talking about her when we talk about horses - good or bad. (Wanda, are you goey?) I just wrote about my Boston in an earlier post today. She was a dog who was born and died in NC, but the city name just happens to be part of her breed name. I loved her dearly, but I have no illusions about my relationship with her implying anything, good or bad, about the city. Why should we be unduly cautious about using the word Icelandic when talking about these horses? Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release Date: 3/30/2008 12:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Shots-Vaccines
As for horse vaccines, why would you not do it, what are your reasons? Janice - I think there has been enough cases of death or sickness as a result of vaccines, that we need to be careful as to how often we administer shots and how many. I think at one point, vaccines were a miracle and we just couldn't wait to vaccine with everything there was to offer. I think now, many people are being more cautious. To me it's a matter of balance (as I have found most things end up being) I consider the likelihood of my horse being exposed to a disease, whether it would die from that disease and what are the adverse side affects of the vaccine. Just like your vet suggested giving your Icelandics separate vaccines - that's just being cautious and wise. Just like you deciding not to give PHF because that isn't a disease in your area. I think it's silly to put your horse at risk by not giving it a rabies vaccine but I also believe they are going to find that giving them less frequently than every year is going to work for horses like it does for dogs and humans. I don't normally give flu/rhino because my horses don't go where they would have a high likelihood of being exposed but I did give Mura a flu/rhino last week because she's going to the vet school and I think the stress of travel there and being exposed to the bugs that are present in any animal hospital make it wise at this time. I have a friend that is an equine vet and she is very cautious as to how many vaccines she gives. Each person is in a different situation because of where they live and how much they expose their horses to other horses - especially ones they don't know about the care of the other horses. In your situation, because of locale and the things you participate in, I would probably give a lot more shots than I do in my situation. I definitely don't believe all vaccines are harmful - kind of like throwing out the baby with the bath water - but I don't believe in giving them indiscriminately. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
be careful with voice commands, give them ones you dont automatically use for other things... I trained Stonewall that when I say step! It means lift a paw in the air and count, or wave at the air. Then when I bring a horse around to the mounting block I automatically without thinking, to get them to take a step closer, say step, and of course that always puts stonewall knocking the step stool over pawing at it, trying to stand on it like a pedestal, also with the farrier, he says step, and stonewall throws that foot out there and its dangerous sometimes! You have to be careful what you ask for :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
the place has an ebay store, you can go to ebay and search harness plumes, carriage plumes, I forget how they list it and they make them all colors and combinations of colors. You can buy a sequin base that velcros onto the headstall, and then interchange the plumes. They are really quite beautiful, fancy, I keep mine boxed up when not in use to preserve it... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 07:28:38AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: Anyway, I think we need to come up with a different term other than traditional riding when talking about what is currently done. I agree too. Could it be called european style riding? But that would include Mic in Wales and Sue in UK who dont seem to go along those lines. You could say european minus UK style riding or german influenced riding. i think using nationalistic terms is silly, since there will never be a nation of horse people who think or ride alike. perhaps we should use the existing english term big lick to describe hyper-ventroflexion and the use of artificial aids to increase foot lift. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
Good one, Anna. Calling it Icelandic-style has been one thing that has really put me off over the years. The people from Iceland are Icelanders. I've never heard anyone call it Icelander-style. The horses have the descriptive adjective Icelandic in their breed name. Unless we change the name of the breed, I don't see how to make a clearly defining term that won't insult someone. No other breed is shown the same way as we see Icelandic's so how can you clarify it as the unique style we see in the World Championships, at Landsmott, etc. We're not talking about QH horse style showing, or Arab showing, or dressage showing, and it's not even the same Saddlebred or TWH showing...and Saddlebreds and TWH ARE at least shown in versatility classes. We ARE talking about the way the official international and national Icelandic breed associations promote. As long as the international and national breed associations promote this type of riding, and no other type of riding, it IS Icelandic style to me. The only generic name I can think of would be Five-Gaited Show Style Riding. I don't think there's any such thing as a five-gaited horse, and I think the forced gaited is at the core of what we see. And, the only other breed people that use the term five-gaited are the Saddlebred people, and frankly, I don't like the way they show either. It's all about force and flash. When we go back in history to the 1960's, don't we know that the Germans who imported the first Icelandic's turned to American Saddlebred trainers for help, right in the heyday of Big Lick escalation. Isn't that the common thread - the forced-gait style of riding, that isn't practical and isn't natural, but is all about flash in the show ring? How about five-gaited style or maybe better, Forced-Gait Show Style Riding. It wouldn't bother me at all to include any and all nationalities and breeds that ridie that way. That takes ALL human nationalities out of the picture, and would include only the guilty parties, wherever they live, wherever they were born, and whatever breed they ride. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release Date: 3/30/2008 12:32 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Mic / Riding Style
Mic, when we tried to stop using the word traditional and switch to something else, you had a suggestion (and it may have been a joke, but) do you remember what that suggestion was? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Mic / Riding Style
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:10:52 -0700, you wrote: Mic, when we tried to stop using the word traditional and switch to something else, you had a suggestion (and it may have been a joke, but) do you remember what that suggestion was? German Icelandic Traditional - GIT I think show-style is much less contentious, though. ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: How about five-gaited style or maybe better, Forced-Gait Show Style Riding. I like the show style better. Five-gaited style makes you think everything is ok when you ride them four-gaited but it goes bad when you start riding them five-gaited. And I don't think forcing the gait is the only problem with this style of riding. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Gelding in AZ For Sale
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[IceHorses] Dagur for sale
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Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 09:18:13PM +0300, Skise wrote: I like the show style better. Five-gaited style makes you think everything is ok when you ride them four-gaited but it goes bad when you start riding them five-gaited. And I don't think forcing the gait is the only problem with this style of riding. i don't really like the term show style because the fashions at shows are so variable and change so much over timeisn't there now a walker show movement for flat-shod horses to show their natural gaits? --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
I like the show style better. Five-gaited style makes you think everything is ok when you ride them four-gaited but it goes bad when you start riding them five-gaited. And I don't think forcing the gait is the only problem with this style of riding. But suppose a new person shows up on the list, as happens all the time. How would they know when we say, show style riding that we aren't talking about western pleasure riding, or hunt-seat riding, low level dressage, or a more natural type of gaited horse showing? My daughter used to show some, but she never rode even vaguely like what we're talking about. It's too vague to have any meaning. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release Date: 3/30/2008 12:32 PM
[IceHorses] Hay Shortage
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3971406n?source=search_video Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
But suppose a new person shows up on the list, as happens all the time. How would they know when we say, show style riding that we aren't talking about western pleasure riding, or hunt-seat riding, low level dressage, or a more natural type of gaited horse showing? I think that since we are a list focused on Icelandics, this would be self explanatory and if there is confusion from some new folks then we can clear it up - there is always a little confusion when someone jumps in the middle of on going conversations - and this group is good about clarifying -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
[IceHorses] mule guy 2
on RFDTV the mule guy I saw talked about how a snaffle bit should be loose, so the horse can pick it up and seat it correctly. He demonstrated this. He put the headstall on his mule and it hung too low and then the mule picked it up and seated it. He also said if the bit is loose and the horse can get his tongue over it not to worry about that, he wuill fiddle around and realize it hurts his bars and will get his tongue back under it and seat it himself, to just give him time to do it. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] HELP breeders!
On 3/30/08, Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Janice McDonald wrote: thank you annaleise, you are such a good caring person... and smart too! The mare never accepted the baby and my friend bottlefed. I think he is eating now and the mare is being nicer to him now that he doesnt want to nurse from her anymore so hopefully he will learn to be a horse not a person. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Improve your horses well being
Hi Sandy, I have read this book many times over the last year and I'm implementing many of Linda's techniques into my routines. Now I have a very close relationship to my horse. I thought I wanted to share with you this great book and ask is anyone else knows about it and practicing it. Let me know how it has works for you. Where do you live? This is one of Linda's favorite books and now it is out of print. The new book the Ultimate Horse Training and Behavior book covers everything that was in the Well-Being book so they won't reprint. Glad you are enjoying the work. For me the most rewarding aspect of teaching TTouch is the relationship that people gain, and often regain, with their animals. I think there are some people on this list that do some TTouch, you can also go to the Forum on the TTouch website if you have questions. Robyn Hood The Icelandic Horse Farm Vernon BC TTouch Canada www.icefarm.com www.ttouch.ca
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
yes thats them Anna, thanks, horsefeathers, they have an ebay store. I need a red white and blue one and a white one with pearls. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Improve your horses well being
Where do you live? This is one of Linda's favorite books and now it is out of print. The new book the Ultimate Horse Training and Behavior book covers everything that was in the Well-Being book so they won't reprint. Glad you are enjoying the work. For me the most rewarding aspect of teaching TTouch is the relationship that people gain, and often regain, with their animals. I think there are some people on this list that do some TTouch, you can also go to the Forum on the TTouch website if you have questions. i love TTOUCH, it is such an awesome way to bond with your horse. Every time I 've gotten a new horse it helped them relax and trust me, also the belly lifts really really work for tummy ache! it all works really. I think putting your fingers in their mouth helps with everything from worming to getting them to accept a bit the first time. I saw the new book at the store the other day and I cant wait to get it. I have had three TTOUCH books I loaned out and they werent returned ... oh well, good for a horse somewhere so ok for me :) I wish Linda would be on RFDTV again! Its going cable you know, on comcast. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
i had to put salve on his bruised withers after our ride., Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
his ears are back like what is that SOUND, every time I take a step, a little whomp noise, I am so confuse, somebody please help me. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
no no, his ears are back cause he is thinking I do everything she tells me to do, I listen to all her cues, but every time I walk, the mystery tap on the withers, every step, its maddening , maddening i tell you! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
but really he is thinking sigh. This is so gay... Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
or maybe : Dere Baby Jesus, please help her understand about propriety and dignity, that even in the woods, in the middle of nowhere, there are standards of decency... place it upon her heart that she needs to look into maidenform... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
or maybe he is muttering... does she not KNOW you cant mix evening with casual wear??!? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
or maybe he is thinking I know theres gotta be a brewski in that cooler under the tree... Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Teevs embarrassment
Janice someday you need to bring that dashing boy up here to Maryland and ride with us... we laugh all the time and you and Teev would fit right in us laughing and the horses just rolling their eyes! Jacki
RE: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
Lil thinks Teev is hot! Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Improve your horses well being
the most rewarding aspect of teaching TTouch is the relationship that people gain, and often regain, with their animals. I think there are some people on this list that do some TTouch, TTouch combined with clicker training saved my relationship with my mare! Whisper loves her TTouches!! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com
[IceHorses] My lesson on Andi
I finally got around to taking a lesson on Andi today from my instructor/neighbor/friend who is an eventer. It made me realize that I ride Andi too quiet. He needs a lot of desensitization! I have been way too quiet, and Sharon rode him like a drunk untill he was OK with it. She also started him whoaing when you get off balance. He caught on to that real quickly. What really surprised me was the movements from me watching that set him to schooching. At least I have something to really work on. She had me practise emergency dismounts from both sides once it was my turn to get on. Hopefully, that will prevent me from doing what I did the day I hyperextended my foot. That incident was 4 weeks ago this past Sunday, and I'm still limping from it. Of course, Andi is close enough to the ground, that I can routinely do the emergency dismount, even at a standstill, and I don't have to drop to the ground that far. My usual way of dismounting (drop my right stirrup, swing my right leg over, THEN drop my left stirrup and slide down) takes a bit longer and has too many steps if the horse moves. Plus, the emergency dismount will help desensitize Andi to me dropping quickly and suddenly to the ground. I got some videos of Sharon on Andi, I will have to download them and put them together later. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rainy Sat Morning
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang was curled up with me - all that was missing was the horses. Players - Sam the cat, Simon the Dobe and Sadie the English Cocker What a cute bunch! V
Re: [IceHorses] Improve your horses well being
I have read this book many times over the last year and I'm implementing many of Linda's techniques into my routines. Now I have a very close relationship to my horse. I thought I wanted to share with you this great book and ask is anyone else knows about it and practicing it. Let me know how it has works for you. Sandy, I have this book too. Actually, I think I have all of Linda's horse books. 'Getting in TTouch' is probably one of the first horse books I bought and I started with some of the exercises with my new sensitive horse (QH/TB). It really got me going in the right direction in building an incredible relationship with this special horse. I really love her new Ultimate Horse Training and Behavior book. As Robyn said, it covers just about everything. Linda was at the Ohio Equine Affaire last year and it was great to finally see her in real life. I want so bad to do one of her week long clinics. Life has been a bit complicated lately. I go to her website periodically hoping that one day the location and timing would work. Maybe someday. I wish someone around here would be a TTouch/TTeam instructor. I've fanasized of going thru the training and becoming an instructor/trainer. Don't know if I could become good enough to help others and it would probably have to wait until I retire, but Sally swift didn't start her book writing and clinics until she retired. Anna -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Mic / Riding Style
How about just manipulated style?? Remember, I'm a K.I.S.S. formula girl at heart. : ) I must confess, I tend to think of the riding, tack, etc. we see now in the Icelandic showring and elsewhere as German-influenced riding.I say this because the changes in desireable gait, lift, tack, etc. seemed to coincide with the horses being exported to Germany and becoming very popular there. Of course, I also think our own Southern Biglick barns played a role too in the current trends in Icelandic riding and training.I thought this when ankle rattlers appeared in the Astund catalog one year. (Are they still there?) -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Teevs embarrassment
Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . It must be her lack of foundation undergarments because i KNOW there's nothin wrong with ME. SNORT! Oh Janice. . . sometimes I think I need to let Jay Leno know about you. And as the owner of a bouncefree bra (that creates cleavage up to one's nose, but danged, nothing contained therein is going ANYWHERE no matter what the horse does), I can relate to the above totally. . . ! -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Hay Shortage
Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3971406n?source=search_video Oh my gosh . . . Isn't that sad? You could just tell this woman's whole life was those horses. We didn't have a drought, but we had a dry spell last year that made hay prices higher and good hay harder to find. I've been noticing a lot of last year's hay that people might have been hoarding is now being offered for sale in our area, still at rather top prices though. I think everyone is opitimistic about what this year's growing season will bring, but still wants to get last year's prices for last year's hay incase not. I really envy the farms that can raise all their own hay. For our little 10 acres, it wouldn't justify buying the used hay equipment it would take to work it, but I have to admit, it has crossed my mind.My hay guy made noises last year about getting out of raising hay and I've been putting off calling him for fear of what he will say. . . I HATE the idea of trying to find someone else who does as good a job as he always did. But I will if I have to I guess. -- Renee M. in raining and WARMING Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Shots-Vaccines
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for horse vaccines, why would you not do it, what are your reasons? Well, I guess I would give you some background. First Sally is a liscened Naturopathic Physician, graduated from Bastyr university in 1999. If you have ever been to a Natuopathic Physician, their whole take on vaccinations is very different from standard Medical docs. We do vaccinate, but not on the schedule that the MFGs want you to. We do some every 10 years, some every 5.and never do we vaccinate for something that is not in our area. Never do we vaccinate with combo shots, those have a much higher rate of implications. We give one at a time, like they did in the good ole days, and we never have ever had one problem. We never give the shot for pregnate mares, ever. We have seen too many dead babies from healthy mares that were given the shot. g I wonder why others would not do it... especially diseases that are a threat to humans and enter thru our pets like rabies. Luckily here we have no rabies at all. In washington our vet never had a reported case of horse rabies, so we did not vaccinate for that. If West Nile Virus gets here, we will vaccinate for that. It makes sense. But once your body or a horses has made antibodies for the virus, it stays in the body much much longer than the drug companies want you to know. Yearly shots are good for them, costly for you, and some times with some vaccines really not needed on a yearly basis. And again, this is what we do, as our horses are not in a stressful environment, are very healthy, have a lot of room.what makes sense for us, might not make sense for everyone. Skye tropicaltreks.com 808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] My lesson on Andi
horse moves. Plus, the emergency dismount will help desensitize Andi to me dropping quickly and suddenly to the ground. I got some videos of Sharon on Andi, I will have to download them and put them together later. Thanks for the report, Susan! Looking forward to the videos! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
I found a pic! here is teev in his harness plume. What a handsome guy!! Janice -- Oh, darn! Drifa wants one now that she has seen how flashy Teev looks in his. I went to that website but they don't have any more for sale. Penny
[IceHorses] Video of Andi's Lesson
Here is a video of Andi's desentising lesson with Sharon. Going down the trail on a loose rein with a quiet seat doesn't do anything about teaching him about the bit. I've also been way too quiet to the point where sudden movements from the saddle bother him. Andi hasn't been ridden in 4 weeks since I hyperextended my foot. Near the end of the video, Sharon did a walking emergency dismount, and Andi stopped on his own before she swung off when she leans forward. I think I will be doing a lot of these in the ring with him, in addition to lots of figure 8's and serpentines because he still needs to learn about the bit (as is evidenced by his gaping). The trail will have to wait for a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbO8pteqyw Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Stikla
Dawn, is that Sparkle that you have now? I cannot find any previous message on the list about Sparkle but she is Bibi's sister as I have Stella, her mom. Would love to see a photo of her. Sorry, Ann, that should have gone to the gaitedhorse list. Dawn now owns Sparkle, who is in foal. Hopefully, she'll send us some current pictures. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Video of Andi's Lesson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbO8pteqyw His mane and forelock are gorgeous! Good job with the video; Sharon did a nice job. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
