[IceHorses] Re: update on BALDUR / Join Up
> I don't particularly like "join up" (which includes chasing a horse around a > pen); what's the sense in that? To me, it doesn't "teach" a horse > anything, but he realizes that if he stands near you he won't have to be run > to death. What kind of training is that? > I agree. I started with the Monty Roberts system (called Intelligent Horsemanship over here. Ofeig did not like the 'join up'. It upset her.) Luckily the RA (recommended Associate) was doing it first time and she came to me for comfort. When I did it she called to her pasture mate. She stopped following me around the pasture for a while. It seems illogical that I should send her away for doing nothing wrong. She was confused and that's the worst thing you can do to a horse. There was a lot about that system that didn't make sense and I didn't feel my questions were answered sufficiently. The reward for the horse is to leave it alone. No food rewards. Scratching is ok but if the horse doesn't like it how can it be a reward? So not touching the horse is the reward. I could't se how this leads to a horse that wants to be with me and ridden by me. It also didn't allow for me to be creative or to make my own observations. I also felt that the process of starting horses was much too fast. From join up to first rider was a very short time.It produces a horse that can be ridden by a very experienced rider. There are plenty of horses like that. I wanted a horse that could be ridden by my grandaughter. That's what Pat Parelli say's. I see horses like that and I know it is possible but it takes time (because the little steps take time). That's a commodity that many people are unwilling to invest. More fool them as they are going to spend more time micromanaging all those flaws they have created. Well that's got that one off my chest. Sorry all of you for my rant. Sue UK
Re: [IceHorses] Jeffers traffic cones
On 11/04/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wanda, got a picture or a link? These sound interesting! What's the price > comparison to the Home Depot variety? Both were cheap because I happened upon a sale. I couldn't find a link at Princess Auto...but they are like the following... http://www.drillspot.com/products/412230/Tolco_320197_Collapsible_Traffic_Cone Except that I paid about 3.00 for mine... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] possible horse scam
> DON'T DO IT - IT IS A SCAM - YOU WILL GET CLEANED > OUT!! > > Susan in NV Trust me. I won't . You got to be stupid to fall for that. Or desperate for money. thanks Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] Jeffers traffic cones
> collapsible ones at Princess Auto. I almost like the ones from > Princess Auto better because they aren't so bulky to move around.. Wanda, got a picture or a link? These sound interesting! What's the price comparison to the Home Depot variety? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
On 11/04/2008, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he DOES look like Tab with his blonde combover! Good one Laree! > Janice WHO are you ladies talking about? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Jeffers traffic cones
On 11/04/2008, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone asked about buying traffic cones recently...I decided it would be > cool to have some of the short ones that are easier to move around. I have > some of the cheap soccer cones, but they are old and falling apart now. I > ordered the 6" ones from www.jeffersequine.com and they came today. They > are just $5 each, but appear to be made of the same heavy-duty stuff the big > "real" ones are. They are very visible, so they seem like a great deal. I bought some 'real' ones from Home Depot...then I found some collapsible ones at Princess Auto. I almost like the ones from Princess Auto better because they aren't so bulky to move around.. I have a very posh storage facility in the riding arena...an old broken overturned water tank keeps them out of the sun when I'm not using them, and provides a fairly decent seat for someone wanting to watch. I started practising with Solon for the virtual horse show last night... Wanda
[IceHorses] Two more Cali videos - starting to circle, and intro to the saddle pad
Cali now likes to hang out with people, and since she was initially somewhat wary of people, I find it hard to make her move out and away. But, to make any progress towards getting her under saddle, we'll need to get her moving forward on her own. Here Shirley is very patient and quiet, yet firm, in getting Cali to move forward on the line. She praises her for the slightest try - precision will come later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae791doEFto The fenced yard where the dogs are is behind me. We've noticed that Connie, the setter, has figured out when we lift the lead rope, the horse is supposed to move forward. Connie is convinced that she could help if she were just allowed to. Later, Cali got to meet the saddle pad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_tENWgmhM As typical, there is a cat underfoot. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] possible horse scam
--- Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> She wants my bank info and name and #. << DON'T DO IT - IT IS A SCAM - YOU WILL GET CLEANED OUT!! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] Cali video - Leadline surcingle and Unwind game
certainly fine with me
Re: [IceHorses] possible horse scam
> Yes, good thinking, Lorraine: > > http://www.equinehits.com/info_scam.php > > http://www.2buyhorses.com/bb.htm > One of those paragraphs are right on the money. She seems in a awful rush. There has got to be Iceies in Can. if that is where she really lives. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] possible horse scam
You're right Lorraine. When I was first looking for an endurance horse, I was very interested in a gelding that was being ridden by a 75 year old woman in California. Very nice horse. Very nice lady. She had just been through a scam "purchase" by someone in Canada who sent her a cashiers check for the horse & shipping to another destination. Fortunately her bank recognized the check as bogus. It really fouled me up because she wouldn't agree to a pre-purchase exam, although at my expense, unless I was on site and I didn't want to drive all the way down there unless I knew the horse was sound. Nancy
[IceHorses] Cali video - grooming from the mounting block
At first, Cali would act started when someone suddenly "got tall" by stepping up on a stool, but she's getting better. Since we'll use a mounting block eventually, today, she just groomed her from the mounting block, and used it casually for a couple of things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwTK5tiJXeE Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Cali video - Leadline surcingle and Unwind game
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USMPPfKqE2I Karen, nice job. That would be a good video for the on-line show; what do you think? Thanks, Judy - it's certainly fine with me, if it's ok with Jacki. I'll make sure it's ok with Shirley. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
>>> I was thinking we could have called her "Gidget" Gidget and Tab - how cute! Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: update on BALDUR / Join Up
The fundamental flaw of Natural Horsemanship (in my humble opionion) is that it uses movement as punishment. Movement is the core of the horses being. I want mine to move with grace and joy. I like the groundwork of NH and the fact that it gets a whole lot of people in a safe place with their horses. Once YOU are safe, classical training and gait training for these guys is all they need. Gail
Re: [IceHorses] possible horse scam
> This girl wants to send me a can. check for $5000 to > cover shipping and price of Dagur. She wants my bank > info and name and #. It just sound fishy. Yes, good thinking, Lorraine: http://www.equinehits.com/info_scam.php http://www.2buyhorses.com/bb.htm Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Cali video - Leadline surcingle and Unwind game
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USMPPfKqE2I Karen, nice job. That would be a good video for the on-line show; what do you think? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
I was thinking we could have called her "Gidget"
Re: [IceHorses] Mic's Camera
>>Mic, the focus is great! What kind of camera? > > Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel, it's called in the US) with a 200mm > lens. Is that the lens that it comes with? or an additional piece? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] OT -cameras
I need a new camera like my husband needs a new gun, but I want a digital camera that I can use with one hand while riding. I don't necessarily need the video function. I really like my little Flip camera. I am liking the Sony Cyber-shot because it has a Carl Zeiss lense. What are you all using? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
>>> Congratulations! What a wonderful picture. Cali was fairly wary of folks when she first got here, but she WANTS to be a friendly, cuddly horse. She really warmed up to Jacki, as the picture shows. I think she's decided that she'd like to have her own person. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Cali and Jacki
Here's a little video of Jacki working/playing with Cali last weekend. That was Cali's first experience with the feed sack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7zupaWAGI Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] possible horse scam
This girl wants to send me a can. check for $5000 to cover shipping and price of Dagur. She wants my bank info and name and #. It just sound fishy. I am supposed to pay the shipper. I think she should take care of that part of it. I did. I am not that desparate to sell him. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[IceHorses] Cali video - Leadline surcingle and Unwind game
Here's one video from Cali's session today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USMPPfKqE2I Before she will try to use a surcingle or put a girth around her, she uses a leadline to simulate the feeling around her middle. If the horse isn't comfortable with the feeling, she can release the pressure instantly. Cali also figured out the unwind game pretty quickly. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] update on BALDUR / Join Up
Congrats, Gail, on the progress with Baldur! > down. I think she chased him relentlessly trying to get him to "join up" > which is something not too many Icelandic are going to do. I don't particularly like "join up" (which includes chasing a horse around a pen); what's the sense in that? To me, it doesn't "teach" a horse anything, but he realizes that if he stands near you he won't have to be run to death. What kind of training is that? You can get "join up" much better with clicker training or TTEAM or approach / retreat, etc. I think that Icelandics may not be too different than other horses in how they respond to the "join up". Some will give in and stand near the "trainer"; it may drive some of them nuts, and some may just stand and turn their butts. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
California Girl and Tab Hunter, what is there abut windgait that produces these beach movie types... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, let's do more icetolts... NOT. > > http://www.wickedlocal.com/hanover/fun/x224949997 > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=6C_JM9fOnMk > oh that video is ba!!! horrible! janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Cali
I dont see how there could be a better trainer than Shirley, not just watching her work around horses, her gentleness and sensitivity, the way she almost mind reads them, but I have benefitted as an owner by her working with Teev! He is so responsive and well behaved under saddle! In his sidepull, so responsive and soft to the least cues. And he is a very grouchy opinionated type, but when he came to me I sensed he had this attitude that he wasnt gonna take any crap, but i think Shirleys work with him was a perfect setup for coming to me. I am not so great a rider, but just a real loving person to horses, and he responded to that while behaving too. I think Cali and Jacki will be very happy together! Another great WIndgait match :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse 2
Here's a second video of the same horse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebwKlvzJLs What gait in this one? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
oh Jacki that is so wonderful! I was praying for this outcome! In this pic you look so in love, both of you!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
>>>with her beautiful color and fluffy blonde mane, Angie reminded us of a >>>surfer girl... hence "California Girl" aka Cali. Congratulations, Jacki! This is superb! And good choice on the name... she is originally from California, so it fits. Here's her song: http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/04/calis-song.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Icetolt
Yeah, let's do more icetolts... NOT. http://www.wickedlocal.com/hanover/fun/x224949997 http://youtube.com/watch?v=6C_JM9fOnMk Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Update on Bibi and an update on BALDUR
Yes, that's Baldur. He had a very nasty experience with a trainer at four. He came back afraid of everything. She thought he should be put down. I think she chased him relentlessly trying to get him to "join up" which is something not too many Icelandic are going to do. She probably left him in a round pen and chased him for a week. By the time she gave up and tried to ride him he bucked her off. She sent him home after 30 days of what must have been torture saying he was crazy. That owner sold him to a TTouch person who did send him out for more training but didn't really ride him much. Then, things fell apart for the owner and for whatever reason the horses on his farm would up 50 % underweight. I bought Baldur and nursed him back to health. He was scared and confused. We built trust one step at a time. It was like learning to communicate with Helen Keller. Baldur was never mean. He was so depressed he was like a statue. Touch and food lured him out of his catatonic state. He was scared to death and we put his fears to rest one little thing at a time. We went on hikes where I'd gone ahead before we left the barn and salted our path with apples and pears and cobs of fresh corn. Baldur soon thought of me as a genius at knowing where to go. He had a whole lot of body work done and started to feel better. I groomed and massaged him daily. We put him in gentle training and did lots of ground work. We learned to communicate. What I did is stuff that should have happened a long time ago. This boy earned his name. Baldur means brave or courageous in Icelandic and now it fits. Baldur faced his deamons and overcame them. I doubt he could have done it if where not for his first four years with good people. I have a photo of him at three with a goat sleeping on his back. This is a kind horse. He was scared, starved and green. Now he is trained, healthy and happy. He needs a forever home where he can meet his owner at the fence. He is always the fastest to come running when he sees me or hears the car. Someone is going to get a treasure. Gail
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
Congratulations! What a wonderful picture. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
>>> If he shows up...he's a flaky inventor you know...it will be at Moses >>> Cone June 23-28. If he doesn't show up, there's a lady in Asheville who >>> has several of the prototypes. I drove one at her house. The harness >>> didn't look nice enough to sell but it worked well. I'm trying to get >>> one of the carts she has and a new harness from Simon, maybe we can do a >>> two-fer deal. Keep me informed. I would certainly like to see one and I'll try to forego the temptation to order an easy-entry cart until I've seen one. (Moses Cone in Junea!) Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Cali
Here are some pictures of Cali's first session aiming towards beginning her saddle training. You can see the peanut gallery (Isak, Landi and Trausti) being rowdy in the background, but she wasn't fazed. There's also a picture of Sarah the Siamese barn cat, and of the little Jeffers traffic cones. Mostly they began the Seven Games (formally - she'd done some informally before), practiced the "unwind game", introduced the saddle pad, and used the lead as an introduction to the surcingle. She also got to sniff the bareback pads on the fence. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.6uckmgyn&x=0&y=-uxunok&localeid=en_US Cali used to be known as Angie, but someone suggested that with her blonde mane, she looks like a California surfer girl. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
(I'm trying to work with him to rep these things, but he had already promised the entire US to a lady who has had the prototypes for more than two years and done nothing. He's trying to undo the deal). If he shows up...he's a flaky inventor you know...it will be at Moses Cone June 23-28. If he doesn't show up, there's a lady in Asheville who has several of the prototypes. I drove one at her house. The harness didn't look nice enough to sell but it worked well. I'm trying to get one of the carts she has and a new harness from Simon, maybe we can do a two-fer deal. Cherie IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] waiting for guffman
> > Who was the blond guy in the Beach Bingo Party (or whatever they were > called) movies? Tivar looks just like him in that pic with his swept > bangs that is STILL crackin me UP, Tab Hunter! I gotta rig a hawaiian shirt somehow so it looks like he's wearing it, and a gold chain. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Janice and Jeffers
that slinky thing was a temporary measure. I found the boett type thingie from mic but its so nice and costly to replace I thought I would put it off to the height of the gnat season. But the slinky thing works good! Maybe too hot in full summer heat but for now... when he scratches up against things it just slips around and he cant rub. His face actually looks better since he's been in it than he was in his fly mask. Susan at saddle up has stetch saxon fly sheets on sale for 47 with the mane part and all and that was such a good price I snatched one up. It has the belly piece too so should work and i got a size 66 since the size 69 thing i got him last year what a disaster! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
he DOES look like Tab with his blonde combover! Good one Laree! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Update on Bibi and an update on BALDUR
at the boarding barn, there was a QH there that only the woman could ride cause if you relaxed and let your foot bump his sides he would go nuts. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Jeffers traffic cones
Someone asked about buying traffic cones recently...I decided it would be cool to have some of the short ones that are easier to move around. I have some of the cheap soccer cones, but they are old and falling apart now. I ordered the 6" ones from www.jeffersequine.com and they came today. They are just $5 each, but appear to be made of the same heavy-duty stuff the big "real" ones are. They are very visible, so they seem like a great deal. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ) and to make it poofier > > (combing it backwards then forward made it poofier,) but here he looks > > like he has a combover haha. > > Was it Tab Hunter? > HAHAHAHAHA! janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re:Update on Bibi and an update on BALDUR
>>> Bibi sounds a bit like Baldur. Baldur is the horse I "rescued" at full >>> price last summer. He was sold to us as husband safe but afraid of >>> everything. Like Bibi, his teeth needed major work. His hooves also >>> badly needed trimmed and he was underweight and malnourished. ... Baldur >>> didn't accept treats from anyone but me when he came. Now, he loves >>> everyone and will even greet strangers with polite interest. ... He was >>> spooky when he came, but now, his biggest spook is a jump. We worked on >>> everything that spooked him in the beginning from cell phone rings in >>> the forest to feet bumping him when mounting. Wow, it sounds like he really had some issues just a few months ago. I don't think I've ever met an Icelandic that spooks over cell phones. Wonder why he spooked over feet bumping him? >>> Baldur was a gift from God. Now, he needs someone of his own and I need >>> to let him go. Send prospective owners to dreamhorse. Is this him? http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1202065 Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Angie - first lesson towards saddle training
Angie had her first session today towards the goal of starting her under saddle. I took pictures and got a few videos. I'm putting some pictures up on Kodak Gallery now, and when I go through the videos, I'll probably put a couple up on YouTube. I've heard a rumor that Angie may be going to get a new name...? Has anyone else heard that...? Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Update on Bibi
Was it Tab Hunter? HAHHH! Tab - what a great nickname for Tivar/Teev! Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Janice and Jeffers
> >>> more pics i took just before they arrived. Tivar's mane is looking GOOD! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] clueless horse lovers
On 11/04/2008, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > decision, and if you do decide to go ahead with it and get a horse, > tell your wife to pick one like she would pick a man, dont go for the > flashy spirited young handsome one, go for the old been there done > that one that is quiet and sweet no matter how he looks, and doesnt > mind working hard for a living. I think in a case like that, she should sign herself up for lessons and see how those go before she inflicts herself on a horse of her own. Unfortunately I think a lot of decisions to purchase a horse are done with as little thought as the fellow you were talking to Janice... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
) and to make it poofier > (combing it backwards then forward made it poofier,) but here he looks > like he has a combover haha. Was it Tab Hunter? -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] waiting for guffman
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > here are some pix i took just before they arrived. woulda been nice > if my husband RODAN had been out there taking pics heloo! > Who was the blond guy in the Beach Bingo Party (or whatever they were called) movies? Tivar looks just like him in that pic with his swept bangs -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Fw: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
I've been working on trying to get him out here for two years, but he says he is for sure coming out in June to the Fjord Fun Fest in NC. That would be the start of his summer tour. Will that be in Asheville? I really want to see these things, so let me know when. I really want to get something pretty soon. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] clueless horse lovers
a guy at work came up to me yesterday and said "my wife is looking for a horse, can you give me any advice?" I asked what kind, he said he didnt know, just wanted "a pretty one". I said what horses have you had before. none. Do you have a nice place for keeping horses? no. they live in a beach condo, but plan to board. I asked if they knew how much it costs to board. no. I asked if they had ever ridden a horse. once. as a child from an hourly rental stable. I said, you know what you initially pay for a horse is nothing compared to what they cost, you have to feed them, worm them, have their vaccinations, he said oh my, like dogs huh? All that? I said, oh yeah but like quadruple the cost of dog shots etc. I said maybe he should lease one for a month first. He said "I am just afraid its gonna be like all our other pets. She gets them and I end up taking care of them and I dont even like the dang thing." and I said "well, picture a 1000 pound dog to feed, house, walk all over you, be disciplined, loved, fed well he said oh my... i asked where his wife got the idea she would love a horse as a pet and he said oh she saw that movie Flicka... i said well here is my advice, be very careful making this decision, and if you do decide to go ahead with it and get a horse, tell your wife to pick one like she would pick a man, dont go for the flashy spirited young handsome one, go for the old been there done that one that is quiet and sweet no matter how he looks, and doesnt mind working hard for a living. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Thunder, April 2008 (Off topic)
what a beautiful old girl! I thought the expression "long of tooth" meant old, and was based on the fact that horses teeth grow longer and longer with age?? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Janice and Jeffers
Anyway, the caption at the bottom of the poster said.. "Somewhere, someone is tired of putting up with her sh*t." I've hosted a Liz Graves clinic two years running, after attending one the prior year. They've been blasts, but hosting one is somewhat distracting and certainly adds to the work. Anyway, two years ago, a woman signed up with two beautiful horses, a RMH and a SSH. The woman wasn't a lot younger than I am, but was petite and slender, a blue-eyed blonde with a strong resemblance to Michele Pfeiffer.I soon realized that the woman was not only beautiful, but was fabulously wealthy with a "summer home" probably worth twice what my full-time-one-and-only farm would bring...and my farm is in an expanding area that has seen some serious real estate inflation over the past ten year. sigh... Anyway, at the end of the first day of the clinic, Cary and I were getting ready to go to dinner with the group and were in our bedroom changing clothes. In a rush, I sort of stepped in front of him, and in his typical deadpan tone, he joked, "Hey! Watch it. I'm in the mood to spank a petite middle-aged woman, and you're the closest one." The woman was pampered, beautiful (if slightly past her prime) and wealthy, but just being around her casually for one day had put Cary in a foul mood. Ever been around a person so needy that they just seem to suck the air out of the gathering? That was her. Forget the Michelle Pfeiffer resemblance... after less than 24 hours, Cary was indeed "tired of putting up with her sh*t." Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] photo show
you did not enter Mic?? I am shocked you didnt win about half the honors! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Janice and Jeffers
HAHAHAHA, thats a good one! Actually they mentioned something about buckaroo tack and a little girl in retro cowgirl attire Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Ride on Scooter and Walter the mule
> > Scooter is just too adorable and I'm glad you're > having fun with him. He seems > like a great guy. > We have bonded so well. We were so relaxed yesterday. Some bycilcles came from behind and didn.t faze us at all. Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[IceHorses] Re: TTouches for Andi
That was really fun to watch. The camera angle is so good. I loved the "What the heck is she doing now?" look at the beginning. My friend and I worked on her Arab/Saddlebred gelding the other day. He clamped really hard and after a bit he was extending his tail out as if to ask for more. He really enjoyed that kind of body work. Sue in Missoula
Re: [IceHorses] photo show
Nice photography Mic. I certainly agree with their beautiful choice as winnr and I loved the one by Jen Rogers entitled "the Icelandic". Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Saddlechariots -- wheelchair model -- for Nancy S.
>i wish you lived near me! About February I was wishing I lived near you too. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
>Anyway, Mr. Mulholland is planning a trip to the States this summer to demo >the Saddlechariot at various locations.I'm so excited! I am sooo >hoping he comes close enough to Michigan (or Michigan itself) for me to get >to see and meet him.And, I hope this trip results in us North Americans >being able to get our hands on one of these lovely little contraptions at >some point. Renee, I've been working on trying to get him out here for two years, but he says he is for sure coming out in June to the Fjord Fun Fest in NC. That would be the start of his summer tour. He wanted to hitch-hike around the US and demo the saddle-chariot, then he was trying to get in with some horse shippers and travel with them, but I told him he'd be better off actually scheduling some demo clinics and charging just enough to pay his expenses. I may have the opportunity to buy some of the prototype frames and have him bring the new harnesses out. The older frames are a little more utilitarian but fully functional and it may take $500+ off the price of a fully imported one. The wheel-chair version does sound interesting and Simon is really excited about it. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 4:20 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Janice and Jeffers
On 11/04/2008, Renee Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's hoping the models look something like this: > > --Renee M. Snort... A while ago, I saw a poster of a beautiful woman leaning up against a wall...looking all seductive...I'm postive you've all seen something similar. Anyway, the caption at the bottom of the poster said.. "Somewhere, someone is tired of putting up with her sh*t." I always think of that saying when I see one of these buff photos... Somewhere, someone is tired of putting up with his sh*t. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] photo show
>> http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/photo_show_081.htm > > > Wow, Mic. Great photos. The Best in Show is spectacular I agree, great photos! We should have a photo show also! The Best in Show photo is interesting, but I couldn't look at it much more than a little bit because the two ridden horses in front have their jaws crossed. The photo is labeled "The Icelandic Horse" and while it probably accurately represents the way things are, maybe things shouldn't be that way (do you know what I mean?). Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Saddlechariots -- wheelchair model -- for Nancy S.
i wish you lived near me! Stephanie leading a horse woulda been a huge hit with the jeffers people! They said they may come back with models! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] photo show
> http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/photo_show_081.htm Wow, Mic. Great photos. The Best in Show is spectacular - I would love to have that as a screen saver -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] SE or Poultry mites?
oh my gosh, maybe why the "goat lice" medicine from the vet works better than traditional SE products, also, I KNOW I have poultry lice! Jaspar gets them in his ears! Oh wow, I am on a poultry lice mission now... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] waiting for guffman
my jeffers report--- literally, actually 9 hours prep time for Jaspar, stonewall, Tivar and Nasi. They arrive, look at Jas and go oh wow look at that hair, then OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT ONE and its Traveller, my husbands almost white horse, just filthy as can be. I said but he is so dirty! they said oh he is gorgeous, is he an arab?? I said no, a walking horse... anyway, the photographer stood in the middle of the pasture while me and the other girl got them running around like nuts and she took five rolls of film, and then put a gorgeous fancy brand new leather halter with golden chains hanging down on Jaspar and took some beautiful shots of him, his mane lifting in the breeze. They said "oh nice, thats it," so maybe a good one? Then they needed pics of feet so I had stonewall do his "counting" trick and they were so delighted. So that started about three rolls of film of stonewall doing tricks for the pet catalog. They took some great pics of the icelandics they said. Nasi was funny, he would run thru the trees and then burst out and one time tivar bucked real high and one laughed and the photographer said "got it!" I am exhausted! They may come back with a model they said and take a horse to the creek with a model. Anyway. I need a nap! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Lorraine's Butt's
> I just happen to have one just like him for sale.> > Lorraine> Yes, I know and the price is right, but the distance is unreal, I don't want to buy a horse from the other side of the country, and I don't want to imagine the cost to bring him over here, and the torture he would feel being brought clear over here. I hope he finds a great home, I am still riding and training the three I have and getting ready to breed two of them next month. Looking forward to some wonderful babies. Jeannette
Re: [IceHorses] photo show
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just put the results and winning photos of the IHSGB photo show up > on the web: Great photos. I looked at the best in show photo enlarged and interestingly I found 3 'horse heads' in the mountains behind the riders. Okay so maybe I'm home sick and bored. I took the day off to go the Equine Affaire in Cols but came down with something. Ironically the only time I really believe that I'm sick is if I have a fever and I had one of 101.6 (My normal temp is 97.6). Maybe I'm seeing things too due to the fever. BTW, Mic is there anyone left in Great Britain? They all seemed to be at the designer outlet malls in Orlando, Florida We go down there every year to get my parents settled up to come home. They winter in Florida. We usually go to the outlet malls at least once or twice while we're down there because the shopping is better there and we never seem to have time when we're home. In the 10 years we've been doing this, I've never seen the place so busy and such a shopping frenzy. I guess the weak US dollar is a real boom for the Europeans. No sign of a recession at the outlet malls! They had cops directing traffic in and out of the mall. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] ground driving
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:35:46 -0400, you wrote: >Mic, do you know anyone in the UK that is using them? Weren't you the one who >first saw them and reported them to the list? Yes, that was me. I've not heard anything anywhere in the equestrian press or anywhere else : ( Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Thunder, April 2008 (Off topic)
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:32:33 -0400, you wrote: >Oh my gosh -- she looks great! How long have you owned her Mic? She belongs to Andrea Fiddlinvet who many of you on this list know and love ; ) . When Andrea moved to the USA a couple of years ago she didn't think it was fair to take old Ragna, so she sent her over from Ireland to live out her days with us. She's a super old mare, very friendly and always glad of a cuddle, especially if you scratch her ears. She does a fantastic job teaching the youngsters their manners. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] photo show
I just put the results and winning photos of the IHSGB photo show up on the web: http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/photo_show_081.htm Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] SE or Poultry mites?
Just read an article that made me think of Janice and Tivar. I decided to send to the list because I remember reading that a number of list members have chickens. It was an article in April issue of Equus, page 20. It talks about mites that are carried by chickens/poultry. A gelding living near the chickens developed severe itchiness and hair loss from scratching especially around the head. They never found mites on the horse, but found them on the chickens and cleared up the horse's problem by doing weekly whole body washes with the insecticide permethrin for one month. They then did twice yearly cleaning and spraying of the stable and treatment of the horse every other month with permethrin prevented a recurrence. Most likely not the problem, but you never know. Could be that some horses are more sensitive than others to the mites like they are to the midges. Seems like a fairly cheap/simple to try solution. -- Anna Southern Ohio
[IceHorses] Re:Update on Bibi and an update on BALDUR
Bibi sounds a bit like Baldur. Baldur is the horse I "rescued" at full price last summer. He was sold to us as husband safe but afraid of everything. Like Bibi, his teeth needed major work. His hooves also badly needed trimmed and he was underweight and malnourished. You should see him now. Even after I came off of him and had multiple fractures to my pelvis (NOT his fault) I ultimately refused to sell this boy. I did consider a free lease to a good home. Thank God he stayed. At the point I was ready to let him go I thought he was on the cusp of forming a great deal of trust. He did that and more. Now, Baldur plays all day in the pasture with three buddies. Our Friesian was the one to get him to play. They are great buddies. Baldur didn't accept treats from anyone but me when he came. Now, he loves everyone and will even greet strangers with polite interest. This boy has been in training at least three days a week for the past nine months and has learned to love it. He's had body work, energy work and any other sort of work (TTouch) that he clearly wanted. He lives in a boarding barn with 30 horses, 40 peacocks (flying over and under him, hanging out in his stall, making a racket you would not believe) a goat and more dogs than one can count some days. Ours is the Wild West of barns and this boy calmly eats dinner through all of it. Perhaps if you set his tail on fire you could spook him. He was spooky when he came, but now, his biggest spook is a jump. We worked on everything that spooked him in the beginning from cell phone rings in the forest to feet bumping him when mounting. It has been an honor to give this horse his life back. Baldur had a great start to life and seemed to have those memories to draw on. He is a love in a horsesuit again. He loves snuggles. He is proud to take people for rides and takes great care of his rider. We pony crazy horses from him and he is calm regardless of their behavior. Clearly, Baldur made the choice to face his demons. Many horses wouldn't have his inner strength. Baldur does long for one thing and that is a person of his own. He is now safe, happy and very healthy. If anyone knows of someone looking, my boy is on dreamhorse. It will be bittersweet to let him go. He taught me how to give a horse the tools they need to heal. Baldur was a gift from God. Now, he needs someone of his own and I need to let him go. Send prospective owners to dreamhorse. Gail
Re: [IceHorses] waiting for guffman
On 11/04/2008, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeffers. I am so excited. They are coming to take photos of my > horses to POTENTIALLY use on their shampoo labels and in catalogs. Excellent! > In fact, when > I told my husband about it he said "are you sure they arent doing this > because you are the customer of the year or something?" Kevin would say something like that. Mind you I could say that about him and the tools he has out in the garage ... and all over the place Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] OT but cute
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM, julie sandoval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, no bullfighting hereshe is a little girl. Just a pet~jules > i was being funny :) here is another funny one, you can try, an actual true story... when I was a kid and our cow had a calf, my brother told me if i went out and picked the calf up every day, then when it was a big grown cow I would be able to pick it up. I was about 7 years old. So every day I would go out and pick up the calf in my arms, which was a struggle even when it was newborn. By the time it was 6 weeks I was running home from school and spending a couple of hours each day chasing it around the pasture, tackling it, wrestling it to the ground and then struggling with all my might to lift it a little. By the time it was eight weeks old I had scabs and skinned marks all over me, a black eye, all that. My dad worked the midnite shift and slept in the day. He had somehow missed all this but had noticed my scrapes and dings and wondered about them but thought I was playing hard . Then one day I chased the calf down, wrestled it, got my rear end totally whipped, lifted it while it bellowed and thrashed, lifted maybe one foot off the ground and let it go and there was my dad staring at me like what the?!? It is a big family story... Janice Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] waiting for guffman
did anybody see that movie, waiting for guffman? Its about a play, and a broadway producer is coming from ny to their little town to see their play and they are so excited. Well, here I am, waiting for Jeffers. I am so excited. They are coming to take photos of my horses to POTENTIALLY use on their shampoo labels and in catalogs. (I live near them and sent them photos offering my horses). I am so excited! Now they have called and will be an hour late. All of you, just do this. Go out and look at your horses from the perspective of "professional model". Boy is it an eye opener. I mean, not even "parade ready" is good enough. Jaspar is the main subject because of his long long mane. He is boney skinny, has long winter coat that is actually curly and weird. He has a big weird V cut out of one hoof that the farrier did for some reason. His nose hairs are 8 inches long and to clip them I would have to ace him. Tivar, SE sufferer, is actually a good prospect. I have had him in a "slinky" for a week so he is sorta sleek and glossy, I put baby powder in his mane, altho hasnt grown out totally from rubbing it out last spring, is very definitely puffy and full. I put baby powder in it to make it fuller and sprayed some sorrel coat stuff on his white spots. But he is aggravated and grumpy at being tied to the washrack with a hay bag. They all want turnout but I am witholding til jeffers gets here cause they want "natural environment" photos with "action if possible" so I am making it where they want turnout so bad they will run around like nuts. I have been out there since 5 AM and last nite til 10. I put some stuff all over jaspar to make him glossy and shiney and it just made him look like he has shiney spots here and there, sorta highlights his boneyness and hunters bump. I put powder on stonewalls green and manure brown spots on his leg stockings and on his nose. His nice mane is faded black, his nice blue roan dark color faded by dull winter coat shedding... they were supposed to be here at ten, called, will be here at 11:30 if they dont use my horses in the pics I may never shop there again, wich believe me would be a terrible financial loss to them. i bet they would go bankrupt. In fact, when I told my husband about it he said "are you sure they arent doing this because you are the customer of the year or something?" anyway. I shouldnt talk about it and jinks it but I am so excited!! I will take pics! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Thunder, April 2008 (Off topic)
"riding it out" gets them in better physical condition so next time you get on them they can do the bucking or bolting with more vigor, strength and stamina. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
More than anything, it's taken time, patience, and the desire to REALLY watch and observe them. I think these horses ... and probably all horses and other living things... benefit from being with people who are able to focus more on the journey than the destination. Jacki
Re: [IceHorses] Saddlechariots -- wheelchair model -- for Nancy S.
> I never did put the kids in the cart. The more I read, the more I decided > it wasn't a safe activity. < Yes, I can understand that. But that's the thing that intrigues me about Mr. Mulholland's design: He incorporates a quick release type "thing" -- I think sort of like the pull-cord on a treadmill, so the driver can let the cart loose from the horse/pony if need be.(And, as I understand it, you are supposed to teach the horse/pony to stop if that happens, like teaching them to stop if the rider falls off). I'm sure he is putting the same type of safety feature on the wheelchair model he's designing. I thought of that picture where Stephanie is ;eading or being pulled by Tosca from behind in her chair and thought the wheelchair saddlechariot might be something you'd be interested in investigating. I can completely understand your concerns though. I tried conventional driving once. The pony was green too, and though he never did anything bad, I just couldn't relax. I felt too far away and disconnected from him. And I really didn't like the idea that if he spooked or bolted, there I'd be stuck in the cart trying to stop him with just the reins and my voice -- and if I bailed, there'd be a pony pulling a cart through Gawd knows what. It just wasn't my cup of tea. And then I saw Mr. Mulholland's design and it just seemed like *that* was my idea of "driving". Now that he's added the quick release feature (where you can still hang on to the reins, so hopefully can turn the horse in a circle), I am REALLY interested. . . . We'll see. I'm not ready to "nay-say" it yet. I'd really like the opportunity to see one in person. I hope I get the chance. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
On 11/04/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are both very observant! > > Watch the difference in push-off between the left hind and the right hind. I don't know...to me it looks like his left front is off... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
I watched this video over and over. I sort of wanted to think the horse was lame. The rider is coming up off his back and his head is really bobbing, but not in a nice rhythmic way. It's either resistance or discomfort. Or maybe every time she bounces, it hurts his back and he bobs his head. I think you're onto something. Normally, when I see that much head action in a gaited horse, I first think of the bit or a pinching saddle, but since he was ridden bareback and with no bit, that can't be it. It wasn't a "head nod" that is a good thing with running walk or foxtrot - as you noted, it wasn't rhythmic. It's like what I saw in his feet wasn't the same story I saw in the rider's bouncing and in his head/body language. Maybe he's just really green, multigaited and is simply shifting gaits trying to find his balance...? It's nice to see a horse so naturally gaited, but I'd like to know more about what's going on. If he's really young and just under saddle, maybe it's not a big deal, but it sure left me with questions. If he IS that green and still finding his balance, I'd like to see more plain old regular walk before asking for gait. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Saddlechariots -- wheelchair model -- for Nancy S.
Now that's something else! Imagine being pulled in your wheelchair by a pony. I took a ten year break from having horses. The last of the older ones had died at age 33 and I was working and then we started adopting and I was really busy. But I so missed owning and handling horses that I couldn't even watch movies with horses. I was doing some serious grieving. I read an article in Country Living magazine about an organization called Driving for the Disabled and contacted the founder. It was so taken with the idea that I bought a 14.1 h grade pony, broke to drive with harness and cart. Then I bought a nicer cart. Then I bought two Welsh ponies. Then I moved one pony to Creekside because I was running out of stalls at home. Then I saw them all out riding so I started riding my driving pony. Then I bought an enduranc horse, etc etc etc. I never did put the kids in the cart. The more I read, the more I decided it wasn't a safe activity. They have ridden, however, and we have just built a wheelchair ramp for mounting. If it ever dries out enough here, we'll try it out. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
>> It looks like a rack (tolt), but there's something just a little >> different >> about it that I can't put my finger on. The rider also seems to be >> bouncing a bit more than usual. . . Hmmm > > I watched this video over and over. I sort of wanted to think the horse > was > lame. The rider is coming up off his back and his head is really bobbing, > but not in a nice rhythmic way. It's either resistance or discomfort. Or > maybe every time she bounces, it hurts his back and he bobs his head. You are both very observant! Watch the difference in push-off between the left hind and the right hind. He goes along just fine and level on the left push, but the right push is different and throws the momentum more upwards, which is where the rider is bouncing. Having the white line fence behind is good for relativity in the levelness. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] ground driving
>>> Anyway, Mr. Mulholland is planning a trip to the States this summer to demo >>> the Saddlechariot at various locations.I'm so excited! I am sooo >>> hoping he comes close enough to Michigan (or Michigan itself) for me to get >>> to see and meet him.And, I hope this trip results in us North Americans >>> being able to get our hands on one of these lovely little contraptions at >>> some point. I don't know - he was planning to start selling them in the USA "any day now", what ..? Two years ago...three? I kept watching for them to appear, and I'm skeptical at this point. I'm on the verge of buying a traditional cart because I'm tired of waiting. They sounded good, but they certainly were a departure from convention. Mic, do you know anyone in the UK that is using them? Weren't you the one who first saw them and reported them to the list? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Bridleless Riding
> Here's one of my old competition horse Solvi Cute! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
> Hey, did anyone else notice on the previous "what gait" horse -- an > Icelandic that foxtrotted -- that his tail undulated just like it would in > tolt? I've never seen that going on with a foxtrot before. The rack / saddle rack and fox trot are the gaits that the horse's tail waves like that. It's because of the similar hock action in the gaits. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Looking for a good Trail Horse
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:06:08PM +0300, Skise wrote: > > Just a comment on the above: Don't dismiss the importance of the trot in > > and to this breed.I personally wouldn't want an Icelandic with little > > or no trot. In my observations / experience, such horses are often too > > far to the pacy side of things. > > I agree. They also tend to become quite stiff (they pace because they are > stiff or become stiff because they pace) and it's a lot more difficult to > work a horse "loose" and keep him that way if he doesn't trot. stjarni has always trotted in the field, but came to me with a beautiful but somewhat reluctant trot under saddle. i've found lateral work has made that much, much better, indubitably by helping with his flexibility. not to mention that he REALLY LIKES lateral work and will now do it at the least excuse, so i think it's a good idea unto itself ;) it's also some of the most useful trail training -- makes it infinitely easier to open gates, for instance. --vicka
[IceHorses] Saddlechariots -- wheelchair model -- for Nancy S.
Nancy, I thought of Stephanie when I read this page -- check out what it says near the bottom: http://www.pinfold.com/cla/chariots.htm -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
> It looks like a rack (tolt), but there's something just a little different > about it that I can't put my finger on. The rider also seems to be > bouncing a bit more than usual. . . Hmmm I watched this video over and over. I sort of wanted to think the horse was lame. The rider is coming up off his back and his head is really bobbing, but not in a nice rhythmic way. It's either resistance or discomfort. Or maybe every time she bounces, it hurts his back and he bobs his head. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] ground driving
Speaking of driving. . . (ground driving -- okay, I'm making a bit of a leap here), I've been in contact with Simon Mulholland, the inventor of the Saddlechariot: http://naturaldriving.co.uk/content_home.php I crack up every time I read his webpages. He seems very funny -- he possesses that dry British wit I just adore. Anyway, Mr. Mulholland is planning a trip to the States this summer to demo the Saddlechariot at various locations.I'm so excited! I am sooo hoping he comes close enough to Michigan (or Michigan itself) for me to get to see and meet him.And, I hope this trip results in us North Americans being able to get our hands on one of these lovely little contraptions at some point. Anyway, I'll keep you guys posted if I hear any more. Oh, If anyone has the facilities and would like to host Simon doing his demo, I think he'd love to hear from you. He says he doesn't even require a trained driving animal, and actually would prefer a green horse to one that's been trained with blinkers. -- Renee M. in Michigan
[IceHorses] Trail Horse - trotting
>>> I agree. They also tend to become quite stiff (they pace because they are >>> stiff or become stiff because they pace) and it's a lot more difficult to >>> work a horse "loose" and keep him that way if he doesn't trot. I know that's a given in the Icelandic community that horses NEED to trot, but I don't literally agree. I DO think it's good for the horses to alternate gaits. I DO think it's hard on the horses to spend too much time in the racky (tolty) or pacey gaits. I think it's great for the horses who can easily trot to be allowed to trot. But, we no longer (I hope!) think that Icelandic's ONLY do walk, trot, canter, "tolt" and pace. I really think it's hard on some Icelandic's...no, on some horses of ANY gaited breed...to ask them to trot. But, trot isn't the only alternative to rack and pace, right? Many Icelandic's can comfortably run walk, which is a LOVELY gait. Some Icelandic horses can comfortably foxtrot - probably MY favorite of all the soft gaits. Many, probably MOST, Icelandic's can canter, and ALL (that I've ever met!) can WALK and flat walk. I think those are viable alternate gaits too. I think VARIETY is the answer, not asking a horse to do any gait that's hard for him, be it either extreme: rack/tolt or trot. Frankly, I think if the trotting is done in the forced, restrained way we see in the show videos, then the horses aren't going to benefit from trotting any more than from racking. Maybe it's more to-the-point to say that we should aim to vary the gaits the horse does, and to make sure that he does them comfortably and in a relaxed way, rather than advising any particular gait. Sometimes I think we in this breed have the cause and effect reversed on this topic. I think that the horses that SERIOUSLY tend towards pace tend to be stiffer horses, not so much that the pacing made them stiff. But, if the horse is inherently built pacey, I don't think it's fair to expect him to trot to compensate. We can walk him/her a lot on varying terrains. We can do wide serpentines and flexing and bending exercises, even at a standstill. And if the horse has other viable soft gaits and/or can canter, we can encourage those. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] ground driving
Last night we finally had some nice weather, no rain, wind, or snow...so I went out and did some ground driving with Solon and Dagur. Kevin was helping me lead them while I held the lines and directed them. Solon has only been ground driven once before, and Dagur needed some reminding. While I was driving Solon, Toby (who is with us where ever we are)...happened to hit the electric fence just as Solon, Kevin and I came around to that spot in the arena. Poor Toby...what a comotion! Solon...didn't miss a beat... he looked at Toby, but he didn't even flinch.. He must have thought, "finally my human is paying some attention to me, I'm not going to blow it." He is just such a steady Eddy...I reminds me so much of Gusti. Hopefully he'll be as easy to start as Gusti was.. Kevin left to check on Toby and Solon and I continued with some more ground work. BTW...Toby was fine, just his feelings were hurt a bit. Man...it's nice to get out and play around with the horses again... Wanda with limited internet access, meaning...none at home.. -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
- Original Message - From: "Virginia Tupper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How often do horses need floating? > V Hi Virginia, It's a horse by horse "thing". And age isn't necessarily a deciding factor (as in, the older horses need their teeth floated more than the younger ones). It's always best to have everyone checked once a year. Some might need it done that often, and others will be able to go years without problem. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Bridleless Riding
- Original Message - From: "Mic Rushen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Here's one of my old competition horse Solvi being ridden by his now owner > Michael. Now look at that perfectly timed trot . . .None of the oddball leg position or off hoof-angle trots we've seen in professional show-ring shots.This kid could teach a few professional riders a thing or two I think. . . -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Ride on Scooter and Walter the mule
>>> From the help of some hikers we got some pictures taken of both of us. >>> Nice >>> butts huh? The horses that is Scooter is just too adorable and I'm glad you're having fun with him. He seems like a great guy. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
>>> Thank you, Ann, for doing this for Bibi! Absolutely! And, while we're thanking Ann, I should thank her for having the insight to give Tivar a fresh start two years ago. I know it's hard to let a homegrown baby go, but man, I don't think his story could be happier. You really made a wise decision for your boy (my boy? Janice's boy?) as I'm sure you know from reading Janice's posts. Where else could he have gotten a home that would supply him with frog slippers and parade plumes..? :) My experience with rehab/problem Icelandic's is limited I guess, but with the four I've had, turning them around hasn't taken TONS of money. (Gracie, however, took a lot of time and money to get to the bottom of her issues, but we finally did.) More than anything, it's taken time, patience, and the desire to REALLY watch and observe them. What I've learned from Shirley, as well as some other good horsemen (like the Parelli's) is that there's a lot to knowing when NOT to try to ride them - if your gut tells you it's not right, then don't do it! We can always try another day when things seem better, but a bad incident can set us back so easily! In many cases, sometimes it's perfectly ok - ideal even - to do nothing. When Tivar arrived and didn't show the back pain symptoms that I expected, I was at a loss for what to do next. So...I let him have pasture time, and spent LOTS of time just watching him, learning his unique body language, seeing how he interacts in the herd, watching for signs of pain in his posture, etc. I handled him lightly during that time, taking him for an occasional short walk, etc., trying to get inside his mind as to what motivated him. Since he's so expressive, it didn't take me long with him - eventually, I realized he was much easier to read than the super-stoic ones like Loftur. It's hard to tune out "expectations" and really listen to 1) our horses and 2) our guts, and 3) to the insights of really good vets and professionals. I would never underestimate the effects of a horse having had "problems" though - I'm not sure they every totally get over it, depending of course, on what "it" was. And of course, I haven't tried to force any of these horses to do anything they aren't comfortable with, such as gait in a way they aren't built for. I've said many times, that horses are better at forgiving than at forgetting. I'm convinced that once these horses have gone through some life-changing stresses, we should try as hard as possible to make sure they have a stable home, and don't move any more often than they ABSOLUTELY have to. (At age 52, I no longer talk about "homes for life." I know that NO ONE can promise that, no matter how good the intentions.) Here's to hoping that Bibi turns around as happily and successfully as did Tivar, whom I consider the poster child for successful "rehabs." I hope that either you can keep her, Ann, or that you can find her very own "Janice", whomever that may be. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Thunder, April 2008 (Off topic)
(The boarding barn mentality is 'ride them through it', and the rough behavior happens--not all the time, but it's there.) V I think "riding it out" is RARELY...if ever...the answer. When I was first considering buying Loftur, the first rehab I made a conscious effort to get, I had multiple dire warnings that he'd need a "good rider", and that I shouldn't buy him unless I could go see him and ride him myself - many of those warnings came from people no longer active on this list. Just a couple of years before that, I'd hit the ground several times when Gracie developed her problem, and I don't know about others, but I'm just not into pain - for myself or for my critters. I DO think that horses with problems need good HORSEMEN, and of course, many good horsemen are also good riders. "Riding it out" may prove riding skills, but I know that there are many good riders who simply don't have a clue when it comes to horsemanship skills. As much as I'd love to, I know I'll never be the best rider, but I still keep on trucking, trying to hone my horsemanship skills, because I KNOW I can continue to make progress there. That said, I DO think there are times when we need to gently push a horse past his comfort zone in order to make progress, but hopefully we can do that in small enough increments where the rider's physical safety and the horse's trust aren't jeopardized at all. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Update on Bibi
>> I had Gat and Orri checked--Orri was good to go but Gat needed some work. >> How often do horses need floating? That depends on the horse. Occasionally, you'll find one that rarely needs any dental work. I suppose it somewhat depends on the conformation of their mouth. When we got Thunder, he was 8 and had apparently never had any dental work, and he had a couple of mouth abnormalities that led him to develop a "wave mouth." The vet said he couldn't correct all that was wrong quickly, so we had his teeth floated every six months for about 2-3 years, then he was able to go a year, even two years, between floats. We got Holly about the same time, and her mouth conformation was ideal. She's 23 this year, and I think she's had her teeth floated about three times in her entire life, and she's had the same number of checkups, with the same vets as Thunder. Those are the extremes we've found. I have mine checked every year unless we find a reason to check them more often. My old QH apparently was pretty sensitive to mouth pain, and I found out (literally the hard way, after hitting the ground twice) that the gentle soul needed dental attention at least every year, if not more often. If I hit the ground, something was up, and more often than not, he had a dental problem. The old "conventional wisdom" was that horses don't need their teeth checked or floated until they are fully mature, maybe after they are seven, or even ten. What we've found is almost reverse. It seems to me that horses should get good, regular care during their early years, and if you keep up with their teeth then, you may find that they need LESS floating as mature horses. I keep up with my horse's dental needs, and I've been surprised to find that my mature horses can often go two years between floats, and some even longer. But, it will vary a lot from horse to horse. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Looking for a good Trail Horse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: > Hi Susan, >Welcome to the list! > > Just a comment on the above: Don't dismiss the importance of the trot in > and to this breed.I personally wouldn't want an Icelandic with little or > no trot. In my observations / experience, such horses are often too far to > the pacy side of things. I agree. They also tend to become quite stiff (they pace because they are stiff or become stiff because they pace) and it's a lot more difficult to work a horse "loose" and keep him that way if he doesn't trot. Krisse
