[IceHorses] Re: My pretty princess pony
I finally acknowledged what I've known > for a few years - I have asthma. I'm taking treatment for it this year. I'm in exactly the same boat. I have ignored my asthma because I was too busy working as a doctor! One day I checked my peak flow and it was 200. It remained there. I then ignored it because the inhaler gave me the shakes. I finally realised that if I don't want to hinder the horse by bad breathing and tension through the body I had better get on and accept it. After weeks of treatment the 'tired all the time' feeling that I thought was 'normal' for me has gone. I bet Corrie feels the same now she is being treated. I wonder how much nocturnal hypoxia people are sufffering without knowing. I now feel refreshed ater a nights sleep for the first time in my life. I wasn't too keen on the steroid inhaler. I get oral thrush if I don't rinse. However I know it prevents 'stiff lungs' from long term inflamatory damage to the basement membrane. Sue Coombes
[IceHorses] Re: sick horses
> Just talked to the vet and Fafnir's temp is down to 101 and he is eating. > He is much brighter and we will see how he is in the morning > > Robyn> Great news. I am really pleased for you and hope everything turns out ok Sue UK(Coombes)
Re: [IceHorses] Mounted Archery
Oh man - I have to show this to my archer husband. He has a friend who recently retired after selling his archery shop. They have two blinds set up in our hay field where this guy sits for hours at a time trying to shoot a turkey with an arrow. I'm not sure how I feel about this, but it's keeping them both nicely occupied in their retirement. Nancy
[IceHorses] Mounted Archery
>From the SCA: http://donwenna.homestead.com/Horse_Archery.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
Good News! Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] sick horses
Hi Just talked to the vet and Fafnir's temp is down to 101 and he is eating. He is much brighter and we will see how he is in the morning. Still don't know what is wrong with him but it is not a threat to our herd. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] training babies
Well done, Wanda. I would write thst I can't believe how you are bundled up, but we have more snow in our forecast. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] My pretty princess pony
> > Palominos rock! > Yes they do. > I think we have more than that in common, Lorraine. > Are you better? Didn't you > first get sick in January too? I've been punier > this year than I can every > remember. That is so nice of you to say. I am better. Still week. I took a ride today. Beautiful. The cactus are blooming. Yes I have had a tough time too. First I had an intestinal problem. Then cold with ear virus. Then the flu. Ok. I am done now. Hope you are well also. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
>> brought in the first guy as he didn't have much gut sound and called the vet
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RE: [IceHorses] sick horses
Temp got up to 106 and pulse 80 - just before he left for the vet. I spoke with Peggy Fleming DVM a classical homeopath and she suggested two remedies - one which I had. His temp was down to 104.8 within an hour of receiving the remedy. He is now at the vet, they did an ultra sound as they thought he could have peritonitis (sp??) and then did a belly tap and have done a culture on the fluid. I have another remedy to get to him. He is on IV fluids and antibiotics. When I have a sick horse I call in all options to help and have had some incredible results with homeopathy when all else had failed. I don't want to leave any possibility untried. The vet was supposed to call before 7:00 - if I don't hear I will call. Thanks for your thoughts, the other horse is still not 100% - but has passed the oil so unlikely he has an obstruction. He is not wanting to eat but not lying down or distressed seeming. Will have acupuncture on him tomorrow. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
> Do you think he would've recovered without the hospital stay? He would not have recovered without supportive treatment. I went to visit him a couple of times. He had three huge bage of fluids running at all times. I think that this might have been possible to pull off at home, but we probably would have had to have someone monitoring him at all times, pretty tough to pull off at home. It's been three years. I can't remember, but I think he was getting IV medication too. Again, we might have been able to do it, but even re-starting the IV might have been a challenge. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Asking for Gait
> > For a pacey horse that you would like to have fox trot, you would do > > something different than asking the square horse to fox trot, and also > > different than asking the naturally gaited fox trotter to fox trot. > > > > What do you do? Or does it depend on the horse. Yes, it depends on the horse and his natural gait orientation. Say with the pacey horse, you'd want to keep your hands lower, be a little more forward in your seat. Which reminds me, I was working with two ladies a while ago, both riding the same horse. The first one, I asked her to sit up more to get the horse to saddle rack. When the next lady got on the horse, I had to ask her to sit down lower to get the horse to saddle rack. The first lady was confused and asked why I had told her to sit up and was telling the second gal to sit down. It was because of the rider's orientation. The first rider was of the western discipline, and the second rider was a long-time hunter jumper. Problem was not with the horse, he could saddle rack with no problem. It was the rider and the rider's seat that needed adjustment to the horse! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] OT: Joe Arpaio
This is totally off topic, but here is the Sheriff from where we lived in AZ: Joe Arpaio, Sheriff, has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but 'G' movies. He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination. He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails. So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again and Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel. He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton. If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back.' More on Joe: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/arpaio.asp
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
> What a cute dog - where did you get him? > > >From a breeder in North Carolina. We love the herding dog mentality and were looking for a dog who wouldn't shed. When I looked into this mix I was impressed by how consistent they seem to be in terms of personality and looks. Our last 20 years or so of dogs have all been rescue hounds, but this time we wanted specific qualities size, non-shedding, and certain character traits. Cobber is all that and more. He is happiness in a fur coat. Jacki
Re: [IceHorses] Loftur
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My first Icelandic rehab...badly in need of brushing. > Looks good to me! V
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . He was negative for everything they > tested and there never was a definitive diagnosis. He had a full recovery > and I ride him many miles a week. > Do you think he would've recovered without the hospital stay? V
Re: [IceHorses] Asking for Gait
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For a pacey horse that you would like to have fox trot, you would do > something different than asking the square horse to fox trot, and also > different than asking the naturally gaited fox trotter to fox trot. > What do you do? Or does it depend on the horse. V
Re: [IceHorses] My pretty princess pony
>>> AAHHH. My favorite color. Palominos rock! I think we have more than that in common, Lorraine. Are you better? Didn't you first get sick in January too? I've been punier this year than I can every remember. I had the flu, then pneumonia, then an ear infection, and then a couple of colds, and sometime in the mix I finally acknowledged what I've known for a few years - I have asthma. I'm taking treatment for it this year. I hope to get out of this cycle soon. I hope you're better. Whatever this round of flu has been this year that caused all this initially, it's been a doozey. I've never known so many normal, healthy adults diagnosed with pneumonia. I hope you're better. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] sick horses
Has anyone heard from Robyn? Mary
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot
On Apr 16, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Susan Coombes wrote: My opinion isn't worth much as I am only learning! So are we all! Sounds to me like you have given this a lot more thought than most folks, me included! Kat
Re: [IceHorses] It's gotta be getting close...
On Apr 16, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Karen Thomas wrote: Maja is at 353 days gestation today, and Flekka at 346. Karen Thomas, NC Karen, Love all your horse pictures, but I am sure looking forward to this year's baby pic's. Come on Maja and Flekka! Kat
Re: [IceHorses] My pretty princess pony
> The lovely Ms. Sina, followed by the lovely Ms. > Saga, moms of Landi and AAHHH. My favorite color. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] They like me...
> They really like me! > > > Moments like these give me those Sally Field > moments. The herd sees me and > comes to meet and greet. That's Kola in front, > followed by previously > "wary" Cali. Others in this crowd are Runa, Landi, > Isak, Brunka, Tifa,and > Trausti - did I forget anyone? > Totally cool. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[IceHorses] Driving
This is a video of Doris and her pony, from the German clickryder list; sort of at-liberty driving: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuye5OTIk-s Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Lice?
Jaspar has ear mites. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Asking for Gait
>>> For a pacey horse that you would like to have fox trot, you would do >>> something different than asking the square horse to fox trot, and also >>> different than asking the naturally gaited fox trotter to fox trot. Exactly. When we start the young horses under saddle, we let them pick the next gait up from walk. If that's foxtrot, fine. If it's running walk or flat walk, fine. If it's saddle rack, fine. If it's trot, fine too - although we haven't started one to pick trot lately - can't remember starting an Icelandic who didn't offer one of the soft gaits from the get go, but we've been focusing on breeding horses. If the young horse were not to have much of a range of gait in his repertoire, that's fine too...if other gaits come later, that's just icing. What we do when we let the horse pics his choice of gait, we just sit quietly, trying to be balanced and go with his motion, basically staying out of his way. When you do that, and you're pretty sure your saddle fits as well as possible, and you're pretty sure you're using a suitable mild bit, or no bit, you've taken care of the horse's teeth, and his hoofs are trimmed in balance, you can pretty much relax and let the horse show you what he's naturally got. It really takes the mystery out of "gait training." No "special" training required. :) I've also learned to take a stab at conformation analysis as taught by Lee Ziegler and Liz Graves, and Liz has since marked up and analyzed most of my horses. Not surprisingly, what Liz saw in their conformations was always very similar to what we'd actually seen the horses do - some of the horses have ranges of gaits so the conformation analysis is never 100% precise, but she's always been very much in the range we've seen...and she's marked them all before seeing them ridden. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Lice?
> Here's the Horse article: > > http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5469 > > and some info about lice with Icelandic Horses: > > http://iceryder.net/lice.html > > I saw a herd of Icelandics with lice. It was not very nice looking. Once again, I've learned something from this list -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] It's gotta be getting close...
Oh my. I remember feeling like that. Nancy
[IceHorses] Spa Day
Hunter is supposed to be leaving Friday morning for a weekend endurance ride and when I went to give him a light ride this morning, one of his front shoes was "tweaked". I put in an emergency call to our farrier, but was left with nothing I could really do, so we had a spa day. I braided Hunter's mane - he pulses down faster in braids - clipped his bridle path and the long hairs on his head and face. Tosca got a head and bridle path clip and then, since it was finally nice and sunny, I clipped the front of her neck and down onto her shoulders. No camera, but it actually went very well and she doesn't look particularly odd. The last time I tried this clip it was on a very hairy paint horse and he came out looking like I'd done it with my teeth, one bite at a time. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Sharing
>OK, some of you are going to say "what's the big deal" but I'm >excited. Doppa and Mura decided they could share the run-in shed >today. That's great Laree, now they're BFF (best friends forever)! It's interesting to here the progression they've made adapting to their new environment and each other. I don't know if I told you, but aside from being very low on the totem pole, in her home in CA she had no run-in, just trees and at my house she only come in the run-in barn if people were in there doing something. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Playing dead
> Glamorous Bjola, in one of her less flattering moments. :) She may not run toward you the next time you come out with a camera. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
What did the horse have Nancy?? Well, it wasn't Rhino. He presented with diarhea and the elevated temp, wasn't eating well. Our regular vet was out of town, so I called one of the favored equine vets around here, 45 miles away. He did a fecal, drew blood and started IV's in the barn. He called back later though and said the blood work did not look good at all, Hunter was a very sick horse and needed to be hospitalized. Their initial diagnostic thoughts were Potomac Horse Fever, salmonella or one of the chlostridiuns. He was negative for all three, but was in hospital in isolation and on IV's for a little over a week. He began to recover, but still looked awful when we brought him home and had a rough coat for almost a year afterward. He was negative for everything they tested and there never was a definitive diagnosis. He had a full recovery and I ride him many miles a week. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Asking for Gait
> Do you ask for gait the same way with all your horses? There are some similarities in how to ask for gait, and some differences. For a pacey horse that you would like to have fox trot, you would do something different than asking the square horse to fox trot, and also different than asking the naturally gaited fox trotter to fox trot. It depends on the horse's "gaitedness", conformation, tendencies, education, and training. Even the size of the rider will impact the horse and how he responds gait-wise to requests. Judy http://iceryder.net
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics in Water
They all look like they're having so much fun. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Lice?
> equine vet says all horses have lice. That's not what I remember, so I > looked it up on Horse.com and got a different view Here's the Horse article: http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5469 and some info about lice with Icelandic Horses: http://iceryder.net/lice.html I saw a herd of Icelandics with lice. It was not very nice looking. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics in Water
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC1hQOJM8Y > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QvTp17tRlw > > Looks fun! My Sensation would probably get ruined though. V
Re: [IceHorses] They like me...
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They really like me! > > > Moments like these give me those Sally Field moments. The herd sees me and > comes to meet and greet. Awww, too cute! You are so lucky. V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Classical Training in Iceland and Natural Gaits
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do you ask for gait the same way with all your horses? > > V > > > > > haha YES thats a good one v tee hee. I dont know jackola about askin > for gait! My horses just do what they do! But I have learned where > each ones sweet spot is, or the vicinity of it and I go for that. > Janice > > I was just wondering if it was confusing to ride different gaited breeds. V
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Lice?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A friend has an awful mess with horse lice in her brood mare band. Her > equine vet says all horses have lice. That's not what I remember, so I > looked it up on Horse.com and got a different view. I'm not going to get in > an argument with her, but what do you think? HMM - That's a new one to me - never heard of horses having lice though I'm sure some do or have. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
[IceHorses] Horse Lice?
A friend has an awful mess with horse lice in her brood mare band. Her equine vet says all horses have lice. That's not what I remember, so I looked it up on Horse.com and got a different view. I'm not going to get in an argument with her, but what do you think? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] They like me...
They sure do. How cute! Nancy
[IceHorses] Icelandics in Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC1hQOJM8Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QvTp17tRlw Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Sharing
>>> My husband will be especially happy to see it because he couldn't >>> understand why I couldn't just go out there and just make Doppa let Mura >>> in. Actually, I don't think Doppa ever objected but Mura needed >>> connvincing. It really bothered him to see Doppa standing in the shed >>> and Mura standing on the outside by the window. Silly, a little thing, >>> but it's nice to know that Mura is really feeling secure now. Good for Mura and Doppa...and good for you for not forcing it. It's hard to watch our horses adapt sometimes, but often I think our attempts to rush things just add to the tensions, be it with feeding or shelter, or any of their most primal needs. Horses almost invariably work it out on their own terms if we let them. Flekka was one of the lowest on the totem pole mares when we got her, not mistreated by the herd, but certainly a little bit of a wallflower in the crowd. On the other hand, Maja arrived at just 3.5 years old, ready to be the mistress of the domain - you couldn't expect two mares of more different personalities. Both are smart and sweet, just nothing alike. Then two years ago, Maja and Flekka were pregnant together along with Saga and Sina, and they developed a pretty strong friendship, whereas before, Flekka just stayed out of Maja's line of sight. I don't remember Maja ever doing anything to her - I think the insecurity was all in Flekka's mind, much like you described with Mura. This year they are the only two pregnant mares, so they've been alone together for the past few weeks where they can have plenty of good, fescue-free pasture. It's really cute to see how attached and respectful they are of each other now. They are nicely bonded, but not overly attached so as to panic when one leaves the pasture first. I often catch them shoulder grooming each other. It makes me think of my final weeks of pregnancy when I couldn't clip my own toenails! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Sharing
> OK, some of you are going to say "what's the big deal" but I'm > excited. Doppa and Mura decided they could share the run-in shed How neat! Since we lost Ljufur, and only have the two girls, one of which has been pretty much a baby up until now, I see the dynamics changing between them. Very interesting to watch how things progress over the years. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
> Will you let us know how that goes? We did the 105+ temp and vet hospital > three years ago. It scared me and (after a week in hospital) it was > expensive. What did the horse have Nancy?? I am worried about the Rhino thing... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Naughty Doppa
On 4/16/08, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bad and clever Doppa! You'd think Mura would be up in that bird feeder > with her flexible elephant lips! > > Cherie > if you caught nasi at the bird feeder he would become veyyy still, having long ago figured out he becomes invisible if he hides the white spot on his nose Dopa reminds me of Jaspar... he will quietly sneak off on his own to do bad things, he's never spectacular about it! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandics in OZ
> Now I have no idea. It could be any of them. If I was going to try > really hard and pretend to myself I was very clever (no-one else would > believe it ) I would say it was more foxtrotty because the airborn > front leg is in line with the grounded front leg. My head aches for > tryng to be clever. Please let it be worth the pain. > Sue coombes > HAHAHAHA thats a good one!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: At Liberty Work
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjE9zN9oB04 Here's another at-liberty video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12puPVOmGQ Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: At Liberty Work
> > Yes, long-distance, bummer. You've got to re-shoot this closer! It's > great work! This reminds me of when we went to the Olympics in Atlanta - we had tickets to all the equestrian events. I borrowed a video camera so we could tape the Dressage tests. My husband very sweetly volunteered to do the taping so my daughters and I could watch more closely. Just as Robert Dover was getting ready to do his passages and piaffes, my husband decided to be a cinematographer and started panning the crowd and getting the spectators reactions to the moves. It was incredibly hot and we were tired and I could have killed him but he was being so sweet, I just had to bite my lip. Oh well, I screwed up in the filming of the US women's gold medal soccer game so he had to bite his lip, too.- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
[IceHorses] Sharing
OK, some of you are going to say "what's the big deal" but I'm excited. Doppa and Mura decided they could share the run-in shed today. My horses never use the run-in in the winter but in the summer they use it every day. Even though they have lots of shade trees, I think where the run-in is located picks up a nice breeze and they like it. Doppa started using it right away last Sept - as soon as it was built but Mura was much slower to be comfortable with it and she would never go in when Doppa was in there. It has plenty of room for both of them but she just didn't feel comfortable. From what I understand, she has been the low mare on the totem pole in the herds she has been in before. But today, when I went out to give them their lunch they were both in there just hanging out - I was very happy to see it. My husband will be especially happy to see it because he couldn't understand why I couldn't just go out there and just make Doppa let Mura in. Actually, I don't think Doppa ever objected but Mura needed connvincing. It really bothered him to see Doppa standing in the shed and Mura standing on the outside by the window. Silly, a little thing, but it's nice to know that Mura is really feeling secure now. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Re: What Gait / Rusty
> > There's three different clips in this video: > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yoTfQJuAjA > > > I missed the answer to this one. I really like this video for it's educational value. The horse is not set in any gaits and he varies them, but it's very interesting to see and note the transitions from gait to gait. In the first clip, it's basically a running walk. In the second clip, he starts fox trotty, goes to stepping pace, then to trot, then transitions back to stepping pace. Clip #3 is basically fox trot. Very versatile little horse. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: At Liberty Work
> Here's the link to the long distance video... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjE9zN9oB04 Yes, long-distance, bummer. You've got to re-shoot this closer! It's great work! Judy
[IceHorses] Re: What Gait / Rusty
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's three different clips in this video: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yoTfQJuAjA > I missed the answer to this one. Sue Coombes
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandics in OZ / Identifying Gaits
> > http://iceryder.net/gaitfirstphase.html > Now I have no idea. It could be any of them. If I was going to try > really hard and pretend to myself I was very clever (no-one else would > believe it ) I would say it was more foxtrotty because the airborn > front leg is in line with the grounded front leg. My head aches for > tryng to be clever. Please let it be worth the pain. Sue, you are SO funny! :-) It would be my opinion that his gait, at the time of the image, was fox trotty. We'd be looking for the tri-pedal support, and where that airborn leg is, at the time of the tri-pedal support. It is not yet fully advanced to the grounded front leg, which makes the timing more on the diagonal side. :-) Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Icetolt and Logic
> >>> People put "protective" boots on Icelandics when they are running down a straight track, lest the horse cut his leg off, and all the yelling and screaming about *protecting* the horse when the weight of "protective" boots is challenged. So... why would the same people take the chance of lameness issues by riding on ice? It just doesn't make sense << >> Boy, Judy, that IS an inconsistency. Logic, just apply logic to the situation. Think about things instead of blindly believing. Get educated about all things related to horses. Be able to make informed, educated decisions. We hope, by this list / forum, to be giving everyone the tools to make informed decisions for their own horses, in different situations. (Who is going to take a chance and buy any of the horses used in an icetolt?) Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
> --- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I just ride, and let them figure out what lead they > are on? << > the instructor told me I was on > the wrong lead, and I replied, "that's her problem, if > she is uncomfortable, she will change leads" (meaning > the horse). Susan in NV Corrie only canters on one lead (tendon op). It's more comfortable for the rider if she's on the 'wrong' lead but she LOVES to go straight. I won't take her to a clinic to have her feelings hurt. I'm just glad I can find a straight run and she asks me to ask for a canter. Well, I'm at that stage of riding and she's at her stage. Sue coombes
[IceHorses] Re: Icelandics in OZ
> > Running walk? > > Check out the First Phase photos designed to help a little in identifying gaits: > > http://iceryder.net/gaitfirstphase.html > > Judy Now I have no idea. It could be any of them. If I was going to try really hard and pretend to myself I was very clever (no-one else would believe it ) I would say it was more foxtrotty because the airborn front leg is in line with the grounded front leg. My head aches for tryng to be clever. Please let it be worth the pain. Sue coombes
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I just ride, and let them figure out what lead they are on? << Me too!! When I took a clinic last summer, we were cantering circles, and the instructor told me I was on the wrong lead, and I replied, "that's her problem, if she is uncomfortable, she will change leads" (meaning the horse). I don't show, so I don't care which lead she is on. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
> It was just one more inhumane "notch" to add on my record book under > their names as far as I'm concerned. One of the ladies on the original icelandic horse list, about ten to twelve years ago, called the Icelanders "barbarians" and the training and riding "barbaric". All of the people involved in this are professional, certified, Holar graduates? I don't understand how or why some Americans buy into doing these things, but if you look, it's the people who do not know anything about horses who get caught up in it. For example, the posts on that newspaper article website... there's no substance by the responders, just the use of bad words and insults. Looks like Karen and I were the only ones to use our real ID's. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
>>I do not believe that a few minutes - once a year or less will cause long term damage in a fit horse. It only takes a second to rip a tendon or ligament or tear a muscle. The cruciate ligament in horses is not fixable. It's a death certificate. > I'm going to the first UK icetolt next weekend - judging. Bummer that the UK is doing this. >>>I'll let you > know how it goes and then make up my mind one way or the other, > never having been much good at taking anything on faith! ; ) Get some pictures and video. It will be good to have something to refer to later on. Also, study up on the concussive practices so that you know what to look for (one is the snapping of the front feet, another is the pop of the hocks). Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:49:13 -, you wrote: >But >the "fast" tolt wasn't going to be a true example because they would >have to keep them slower due to the ice. That's the definition of the actual icetolt class. No horse should be showing fast tolt around corners on ice, that's just daft. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandics in OZ
> > Any thoughts on the gait he's doing in this picture? She labeled it > as his "next gear". > > > Running walk? Check out the First Phase photos designed to help a little in identifying gaits: http://iceryder.net/gaitfirstphase.html Judyh
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
I think if nasi tolted on ice he would end up splay legged spinning in circles because one thing I notice... have you ever seen a horse accelerate on a sharp curve? If the surface is slippery, the horse speeds up to try and beat the slipperyness but then it goes out from under them. How do I know? Seen it a hundred times at least. My boys play HARD and Nasi has this acceleration thing he does and he used to go down a lot when young, always in mud or deep sand and accelerating on a curve. I would watch and think, hmmm, note to self, when nasi is under saddle someday, do not let him take off into a curve in deep sand. Because here we cannot trail ride without hitting pockets of deep sand or slick mud. When jeffers came to take photos last friday nasi went down, flying around the trees in the deep sand. He went down hard... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
>>>I remember that it was Sigrun and her American husband, Jason, who seemed to be sponsoring it, so I assume they were also riding. I assume Gudmar too...?<<< You got it Karen, Sigrun and Jason organized it and "performed" as well as Gudmar, Laura Benson and Jana Meyer. I believe there was one more person who I didn't recognize. The stallion that fell was Tjaldur, who is based out of NH. Jana was riding him. Tjadur's young offspring performed as well, I believe they were 4-5 year olds. They had kids performing too. I went because it wasn't very far and I was curious. I wish I didn't see it though. One thing I found rediculous was they had some of the kids and non-trainer adults do an example show. They explained that the riders would do a slow tolt on the short end of the ring and a faster tolt on the long sides. But the "fast" tolt wasn't going to be a true example because they would have to keep them slower due to the ice. After this, they had the trainers do their "show"...but did they slow down? Gosh no! They did a normal paced "fast tolt" on the long sides and just barely slowed on the corners to the short side. I've seen Icelandic performances before on regular ground and they rode them just the same on the ice. It was just one more inhumane "notch" to add on my record book under their names as far as I'm concerned. Heather I remember that it was Sigrun and her American husband, Jason, who seemed to be sponsoring it, so I assume they were also riding. I assume Gudmar too...?
[IceHorses] Re: Icelandics in OZ
> Here's Yvonne working with an Icelandic Horse stallion in Australia. > > Any thoughts on the gait he's doing in this picture? She labeled it as his > "next gear". > Running walk? Sue coombes
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
> > So now I am about 99% trail rider. I still want my horses to bend around my > leg in order that my knee is not banged into a tree trunk on our narrow > forest trails. I want him/her to do nice upward and downward transitions > because they keep us both safe. For instance, we're trotting (or gaiting > actually) forward and there's something dangerous in the trail. I still > appreciatet a nice halt. I like to half pass my horse over onto the track > I want to use on wider trails. Or maybe move Tosca's butt sideways when I > feel like she is about to "lose" it with the Arab colt who is being ponied > beside her. > i think we do all that, but not in an "aware" way... Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot
> as the > motion of the horse is like centrifugal force that will tend to move > us out > of it. > Robyn Does it then follow that to oppose that centrifugal force requires increased weight on the inside seat bone. Sylvia Loch says so in The classical Seat (only arrived today). I made my little cardboard model and discovered the horses centre of gravity is inside the centreline when bent.( A crescent shaped piece of cardboard balances on the inside of it's centreline.) Mary Wanless in the Natural Rider states that the horse leans inward slightly on the bend and so must the rider. That doesn't mean collapsing the torso on that side but supporting it. Both seatbones stay in contact in a fencing stance. Obviously none of these things are to be overdone. It is all subjective and if done correctly probably doesn't feel like leaning in or weighting the inside seat bone. I remember the famous Doc councilman asking swimmers if they pull underwater with straight or bent arm. !00% said straight. 100% had a 90' bend on video. Until we have evidence like that we can only make educated guesses. I knew a swimmimg teacher who used a harness to hold the swimmer up on a hoist in the water. I used to wish I could hire one for riding. It would make falling off less painful.LOL. Then one day I realised I already had one it was called 'gravity'. There have been several moments when it felt like God was holding me up by a string that went through my head down to my heels. The lightness was fantastic. Then there were the times he was too busy to help. Boy was I heavy as I hit the ground! > > > Also someone (sorry I deleted the post) asked about the weight on the > inside seat bone on a turn. As I understand it, by putting your > weight to the inside the horse has to "catch-up" to follow your > weight so they lean into the turn and the inside shoulder drops. > (Some one who is better at this, please chime in!) I'm no better at this but I know that's exactly what would happen if I was running in a circle. The Article that started this discussion said that the opposite happens. The horse pushes the shoulder up to counteract the weight and the head turns ouside the circle. Did I read it wrong? I was taught to > keep my weight centered, but move my outside hip bone away from the > horse making room for the ribs to arc out. (Think off your hip as > being a drawer that you can pull out.) I find it really helpful to > get down on all fours and try these things out, have some one play > rider and shift their weight and see how it effects you. > > Kat So have you read Mary Wanless book Ride With Your mind Essentials? There are lots of exercises like that. Sylvia loch does a lot of rider walking through dressage exercise. I like the drawer analogy to allow the horse to bend through the ribs. I will add that one to my tool box. The following is only my opinion; If I keep my weight centred by feel it must be centred over the horses centre of gravity. There is centrifugal force to which we have to apply an equal and opposite centripedal force. The vector for that will cause a slight lean inwards by horse and rider(one unit). When the forces are balanced it feels centred despite the lean. Too much or too little lean will unbalance the horse. My opinion isn't worth much as I am only learning! Sue Coombes
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
I dont know it just seems "hard" to me, complicated! From the saddle, I cant tell what foot is stepping on the ground, and I dont really understand why it matters. Altho I do know someone who has a bad back from a fall when she says her horse changed leads unexpectedly? that sounds funny to me. I just ride, and let them figure out what lead they are on? And I dont canter much except Jaspar and I just let him figure it out. I love the sidepassing as a fun thing to make Tivar do... and the spanish walk, that was a "trick" i thought I would try. But for the life of me I cant figure out stuff like "on the forehand" or understand what purse it would serve me to know that... Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
>>> People put "protective" boots on Icelandic's when they are running down >>> a straight track, lest the horse cut his leg off, and all the yelling >>> and screaming about *protecting* the horse when the weight of >>> "protective" boots is challenged. So... why would the same people take >>> the chance of lameness issues by riding on ice? It just doesn't make >>> sense. Boy, Judy, that IS an inconsistency, one I'd never thought of. Of course, we know the real reason - the weighted bell boots aren't for protection but for gait manipulation...In other words, they are just for glitz too, just like ice tolts. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
we are taking him to a local vet hospital this morning. Will you let us know how that goes? We did the 105+ temp and vet hospital three years ago. It scared me and (after a week in hospital) it was expensive. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics in OZ
>>> Any thoughts on the gait he's doing in this picture? She labeled it as >>> his "next gear". Looks flat walk or running walk to me - along with foxtrot, I think that's the "real" official gait of the Icelandic horse - HA! He looks nice and relaxed. What is that - a hackamore over a rope halter? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
I see it as VERY applicable to my world though, the lower ends. Me too! I never got beyond the very lower levels of dressage, but I really loved the communication and bonding it gave me and my horse. Only in dressage have I ever experienced the feeling that my horse was absolutely tuned to the smallest closing of my hand or a change in the tension in the muscle in my calf. Of course, I actually had muscles in my calves then. So now I am about 99% trail rider. I still want my horses to bend around my leg in order that my knee is not banged into a tree trunk on our narrow forest trails. I want him/her to do nice upward and downward transitions because they keep us both safe. For instance, we're trotting (or gaiting actually) forward and there's something dangerous in the trail. I still appreciatet a nice halt. I like to half pass my horse over onto the track I want to use on wider trails. Or maybe move Tosca's butt sideways when I feel like she is about to "lose" it with the Arab colt who is being ponied beside her. We had quite a ride yesterday as we accompanied Bev out. She was riding a 16 h Anglo Arab and ponying a five year old who is still quite a handful. When we got back to the barn she commented on Tosca, "She acts like she's been doing this all her life." All the drama of the youngster coping with being ponied down steep and slippery (bad trail choice) single track trails didn't seem to bother her a bit. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
>>> See? that stuff so mystifies and baffles me and seems so complicated >>> and unrelated to what I actually DO that I tend to tune out and ignore >>> it, so thats probably why he did not appeal to me. And Janice, that always seems odd to me when you say that, and I've heard you say it before. Why do you feel it's so unrelated to what you do? I'm serious, very curious. After all, you wanted to teach your horse to do the Spanish Walk, right? And you were very interested in having Shirley show you how to get Tivar to sidepass, right? (She's generally not the biggest fan of sidepass per se...) You do like to have horses trained that you can open gates on the trail, without having to dismount, right? And you were interested in the stuff that Liz showed for honing gaits...? That's exactly why I was vaguely interested in Dennis Reis - but, like Laree, I'm not sure I got an accurate impression of what he's really about. He is one of the few who seemed at that time able to blend the worlds. I've never wanted to compete in dressage, but the communication, the finesse required for the sport has always fascinated and astounded me...but I don't have the patience or interest to pursue it. I see it as VERY applicable to my world though, the lower ends. Some knowledge of the progression of the training required, the biomechanics behind the correct training - it all adds up to help me train my horses for trail - albeit using only a very low-end of dressage - but it also helps me make informed decisions about the long-term soundness implications of certain training practices being hawked by some unscrupulous trainers... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Lanny's Horses
> I've moved my yearlings to the stallion farm so they can be shown and to > keep the cost down yet not upset the Icelandic community have decided to > have two sell prices on them, with or without papers. I figure those > clients that are going to purchase w/o papers only want trail horses anyway. > Read the fine print on the attached sales list. The best deals are on the > order stock which already have USIHC papers. > > Lanny > uhmn, so keeping the cost jacked way up there is a priority of the icelandic community?? Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] sick horses
Hi Fafnir, the horse with the temp has a higher temp this morning. 105.4 which considering it was cold last night and he had Banamine last night so we are taking him to a local vet hospital this morning. Robyn How are the horses today? Any chance there are some strange plants or weeds that may have cropped up in small bunches in the pasture? Praying for them, Mary
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
> One stallion's legs went out right under him and he fell on his side. > The rider got back on and continued. The stallion was clearly shaken Oh, wow! No one mentioned / admitted to that in the "beautiful" show report. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
your thoughts for both of them would be appreciated. Good thoughts going your way. How are they today? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
>>> I went to the iceshow in VT last month and I have to admit, I was >>> horrified. I went because I just needed to see for myself. I'm not one >>> to get overly upset by things but I felt what I witnessed was cruel. >>> One stallion's legs went out right under him and he fell on his side. >>> The rider got back on and continued. The stallion was clearly shaken and >>> every time he passed that spot where he fell, he slowed right down. >>> Many of the horses did some sliding and were trying hard to step >>> carefully. The arena was also very small but that didn't stop them from >>> trying to show the flying pace. Thanks for the report, sad as it is. It's not surprising though - it's simply physics. I don't know if anyone remembers a link I sent in a few months ago, of a show I found on that Icelandic online TV channel - I'm not sure I can still find it. One horse slipped badly and fell, and the crowd roared in laughter. What a difference in cultures... We mostly talk about the long-term damage possible from riding fast and hard on slippery, hard surfaces, but you're right - there are certainly very real short-term (immediate) risks too. How can anyone defend that? >>> The trainers riding were all the well known ones that are living here in >>> the states now. I'm sure many of you can figure out who they are. All I >>> can say is, the studs clearly were not enough and these horses were >>> forced to perform in a situation they were NOT comfortable with. I left >>> the show feeling badly with a lot less respect to the riders/trainers. I remember that it was Sigrun and her American husband, Jason, who seemed to be sponsoring it, so I assume they were also riding. I assume Gudmar too...? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
> I do not believe that a few minutes - 5 minutes loose, 5 minutes "see > the ice with a rider", 5 minutes competing (with another 5 minutes if > the horse is in a final) once a year or less will cause long term > damage in a fit horse. But it CAN. Look at it logically. Study the anatomy, conformation, and biomechanics. What about preparation for moving on ice? People put "protective" boots on Icelandics when they are running down a straight track, lest the horse cut his leg off, and all the yelling and screaming about *protecting* the horse when the weight of "protective" boots is challenged. So... why would the same people take the chance of lameness issues by riding on ice? It just doesn't make sense. I just had a knee operation from doing aerobics on carpeting. We're told that there is a "chance" to hurt yourself by doing stuff like that on carpeting, but heck, will it happen to me, nah But it did. When you hear that "rip", you wonder why you took the chance. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Naughty Doppa
> Doppa has discovered the bird feeders How funny! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
Big rag muffintoo darn cute Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
RE: [IceHorses] Naughty Doppa
Bad and clever Doppa! You'd think Mura would be up in that bird feeder with her flexible elephant lips! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Naughty Doppa
That is one BIG squirrel! HAHA! Too cute. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: pure love
> > Virginia, sometimes I think the people who make up these gender rules > haven't had many animals. I see gender rules apply quite often as a professional dog trainer. It doesn't have as much to do with mixed groups as it does with same sex groups. The worst pairings seem to be same sex and same (or very close) in age. Or when a younger animal is introduced there may be conflict between him and very old same sex dog. Usually females do the most harm to each other and often require medical attention. It doesn't seem to matter what breed. Part of the reason could be how the household is managed. Sometimes there is no structure. Often there are exercises that they can do to help maintain the peace. And then there is the times where one dog's life is at risk and one of the dog's must be removed from the household. Usually this kind of severity is between two females (altered or not). >I've always heard that hooey about not > having multiple females, and we've ALWAYS had multiple girls. It isn't hooey. Perhaps you've just been fortunate or you are able to adequately manage your group to keep things nice and peaceful. But there are many dog owners that do have issues and most often it is with same sex/ same age pairings. Most of the dog owner's that I have worked with have had multiple dogs their whole lives and never had an issue until this particular dog came into the household. It isn't always the new dog that is aggressive either - often one of the resident dogs becomes aggressive towards the new dog. And it can happen to anyone experienced or not. When my oldest male was 12 I brought in a new male dog that immediately had issues with him. My old guy was losing his hearing and did not read dog signals well anymore. I had to be very, very careful with those two. The youngster was always looking for a fight. And I consider myself not the average dog owner with lots more tools. The youngster hasn't had an aggressive moment in the house since my old guy died two months ago. I have two female dogs as well that get along famously. When asked I always recommend that people get opposite sex if getting a second dog. When getting into multiples you just have to take your chances. Sarah in MT
[IceHorses] Lanny's Horses
Lanny said: I'm still under 3 feet of water in some areas and will need to reseed all my pastures this year. Last year's spring freeze resulted in a first cutting yield of 20% followed by a drought which produced no second cutting. As a result I did not breed last year so there will be no 2008 Northstar foals, nor will I have the time or money to invest in training horses ready to start under saddle, which instead will be invested in new gravel roads, clearing uprooted trees and seed. In other words I have quite a mess to clean up here. I've moved my yearlings to the stallion farm so they can be shown and to keep the cost down yet not upset the Icelandic community have decided to have two sell prices on them, with or without papers. I figure those clients that are going to purchase w/o papers only want trail horses anyway. Read the fine print on the attached sales list. The best deals are on the order stock which already have USIHC papers. Lanny
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
> They are happy to run around if they are wearing ice nails, > apparently. I've not seen it - never been to an icetolt - but a friend > who went to one in Holland said the horses were allowed loose on to > the ice before it all started and they seemed to love it as they felt > secure on it. Somehow I doubt that. Sometimes people tell me that their saddles fit their horses perfectly. Then I see them and it's obvious that they don't. Sometimes people will say that their horses love their bit. Looking at the horse in person, it can be seen that there are problems in that area. (Heck, look at all the Icelandic Horses fighting the bit, and has anyone ever noticed or acknowledged it?!?!) I would suspect that people who go to icetolts may not know what to look for in whether a horse loves to be on ice or not. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
I think he developed confidence. I saw several shows on RFDTV about a year or two ago, a series where he had a long training school thing over a period of a week or so at his farm or facility or something. Each episode was very intense in one particular area and there was a lot of personal interraction with participants. He was very relaxed and casual and personable in those. Like a normal person i think. But again, the things he taught just didnt appeal to me. Like changing leads :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
He looks like Benji, or a bearded collie! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
> By the way, I never noticed any of my horses "catching" Tivar's > three-gaitedness. Janice, has owning him "ruined" your other nicely gaited > horses? No, they all just wish they could trot like that :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Naughty Doppa
HHAHA she is a big carolina Wren! Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
> > One Dennis Reis episode I saw that knocked my socks off - and I REALLY wish > I had it on video - was where he explained SO clearly the difference between > leg yields and shoulder-ins. He demonstrated the difference himself (no > horse), by showing the difference in the way his body was bent compared to > the way he was looking, and I did the same while I watched him do it. See? that stuff so mystifies and baffles me and seems so complicated and unrelated to what I actually DO that I tend to tune out and ignore it, so thats probably why he did not appeal to me. Also he talks too much saying dumb stuff, and when I saw him he did everything in a roundpen, then moved on to the outside area and rode around the green/problem horse at a gallop while everyone cheered. Some people capture us, our imaginations, I think its what we are ready to learn at the time. Some people, even parelli, on tv, seems sorta arrogant and showbiz, in person he blew me away, he made me feel moved and humble, him and Linda both. Gawani pony boy, I had the same impression as renee, Gawani PHONEY Boy, then I saw him in person and he blew me away. He has this absolutely STUPID zen hippie persona that turns me off, a pretty boy thing, but in person, at jacksonville equestrian center, he worked with a problem horse, and it was almost like whoever got the problem horse for him was trying to make him look like a fool, either that or kill him. While he was talking to the audience the horse was behind him circling and behaving aggressively, which he ignored, until the horse actually stood on his rear legs and HOPPED across the roundpen toward him STRIKING at him in a spectacular manner. The horse was not green or nervous, the horse was actually vicious. Was attacking him. to KILL. At one point he went y and ran outside the roundpen and nobody was laughing. and then... his phoney boy facade dissolved and he went back into the roundpen and something magical happened where he did not look up at the audience again for about a half hour, he was so focused on that horse, starting with approaching him in a mesmerizingly calm, soothing manner, approach and retreat, it was honestly magical and in about 45 minutes he had a horse that had been trying to kill him eating out of the palm of his hand. calm and mannerly. and he said thats it, know when to stop for the day, and I respected him for that too. I think maybe sometimes people are good but get off on the wrong marketing idea. and it turns some off. But if you think about it, he must be better than most people working with horses because marketing alone isnt gonna get anybody ANYWHERE with horses... jmo Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
>>> wow...i think the person stated "in the vet world". the vet that you >>> may be referring to is not stupid, IMHO..she is a very bright woman. Raven, assuming for a minute that you and Janice ARE talking about the same "vet" - the one that I have in mind, and the same one that Mic named... how can you call someone who advises breeders not to check in on their pregnant mares "brilliant?" Even the soundest, best mares can having issues with individual pregnancies that won't result in breeding problems being passed onto their offspring - like an incorrectly presented foal that can possibly be turned before delivering. Maiden mares can have minor problems with their first deliveries. Human intervention can save many of those mares and foals. She once wrote to me that natural selection should take care of these issues - it's in one of the list archives. If a mare has a problem that is truly genetic that means she shouldn't be bred again, it's quite possible to save her life and never breed her again - should she really have to die a painful death just in the name of "tradition"? I think that's pretty barbaric and sadistic in this day and age -anything but "brilliant". The more obvious answer is simply never breed the mare again if there's a real problem. Mares can be perfect riding horses and there's no reason that a mare that's not suitable for breeding can't be a lovely and useful horse. I could never live with myself if one of my mares died a painful death that I might have easily prevented, or if a foal died due to my unwillingness to get out of my warm bed to go out and check on them. I've never heard of another person who claims to be a vet making such cold remarks. A "brilliant" vet - no, even normal, caring horse-owner with decent intelligence - should know that owning a less-than-breeding quality GELDING shouldn't affect a breeder's reputation for breeding. Yet, this person told me that having Tivar on my property - an ideal Icelandic in every way except for his gait limitations - was adversely affecting my reputation as a breeder, and that I should be ashamed to admit that I had him. That's also in list archives, and I'm sure many people remember these and other exchanges. She went on to say that Tivar should be eaten since tolt is not in his repertoire. I have a TOTALLY opposite motto - my motto is the same as some good dog breeders adopt - "if you don't rescue, don't breed." In my case, I literally try to "rehab" as much as rescue, but I'm very honored to have briefly owned Tivar. He's an Icelandic for all of us to be proud of, even if his gaits aren't perfect. There's more that makes this breed special than mere gaits - but even so, I do try only to breed horses with ideal gaits. By the way, I never noticed any of my horses "catching" Tivar's three-gaitedness. Janice, has owning him "ruined" your other nicely gaited horses? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
From what I understood from others that have seen him in the past is that he has definitely improved in the showmanship aspect of his presentation. They said he used to be very boring but he was very charismatic when I saw him - wonder where he went to learn that. I don't have a clue. Since I wrote that first post, I've been thinking about that very thing...maybe there's a niche that Janice could fill? :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Weird question, sorta off topic
Think "wool", and RIT requires hot hot water, as hot as you can get it. I would have it done by a pro if possible. janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
Oh robyn, I am sending healing thoughts to them and hope that this morning they are up and eating. How scary. Ann Cassidy
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort/now new homes
Tosca stays out with her band of horses 24/7, but Hunter, part of the same group, comes in for the night to a large pen and shelter. He requires supplemental feeding or he gets too thin, so I go up in the late afternoon and put him up with his feed, then go back again in the morning and feed him again. Then about 7:30 the barn girl turns him out for grass and hay. He just needs a different diet from his buddies. That sounds like what we're doing with 28-year-old Thunder now. He's always been a moderately easy keeper, out 24x7 with the herd, but no more. His normal pasture is adjacent to my grassy riding ring, so every night we put him in the ring, where he can take his own sweet time eating his senior feed, and can eat all the lush grass he can hold overnight. During the day, he's back out with his senior buddies, Joe and Holly. There's grass in their pasture too, plus some supplemental hay, but he seems to be doing better with the extra grass and plenty of relaxed time. He's still on the thin side compared to where he used to be, but not the bone-rack he was a few weeks ago. BTW, I suspect that Thunder has Cushing's now - I think most older horses eventually get it - but I still have him on lush grass. I know that's counter to the going wisdom, but this worked well with Sundance in his final couple of years, and he never re-foundered. I think there's a point with Cushing's where the tendency to lose weight outdoes the risk for laminitis. I think Thunder has passed that point now - I have to keep weight on him somehow. I hope he doesn't founder, but frankly, at this point, it's a risk I'm willing to take. I hate for him to waste away like he was doing, and if he should founder, I'll put him down, and know he went out happy until the end. I'm not recommending this to everyone, but I have a strong gut feeling this is the right thing to do for Thunder. I want him as happy and healthy as possible during his final days. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
Look at showjumpers and eventers who are ridden every weekend jumping in mud or on grass with studs in. Is that any different, other than the fact that of course showjumpers and eventers spend a whole lot more time doing it??? Just because other disciplines have sins of their own is no reason to overlook the sins within our own breed...and there's certainly no joy for me in finding "degrees of bad." I think this list is about finding the optimal ways to do things, not to be satisfied with being best than the very worst examples. BTW, we took hunter lessons for several years, with my daughter showing in hunter classes. If the weather was iffy - with mud or wet grass - we simply didn't jump. Our horses were barefoot even back then, so studs weren't an option - nor did we need them. We worked on other things when the conditions weren't ideal - flat work, groundwork, desensitizing activities, leisurely trail rides, cleaned tack, whatever. We also elected for her not to show in one particular arena once simply because we felt the footing was way too deep. There's room for sensible horsemanship practices in virtually every discipline or sport, if people choose to look for ways. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Another Success Story - Dennis Reis
> > That's funny, because that wasn't my impression of him at all. Now, mind > you, I haven't had RFD-TV in a couple of years - Please remember this was an expo, not a clinic, so I'm not sure if it was representative of his overall work and I only went one day and not the second - I had never seen him before that day. The only work he did was with the two horses and almost all of it was in the round pen. I am not saying that I would never go to one of his clinics but I wasn't blown away either. I do think he had some good things to offer and if the proof is in the pudding - the finished product of his students and their horses was very positive. What I DO > remember was that he was one of the few natural horsemen type clinicians I'd > seen that seemed to have a genuine understanding of dressage, at least > enough to explain some things clearly, and how to apply NH to the sport. They did say in his bio at the beginning that he did study dressage for a couple of years - at least one year that's all he did - daily > Good theater - that's what it boils down to too often isn't it?Of > course, I shouldn't lecture on this subject. The other thing I remember > about Dennis Reis is that he is certainly one who sure needs a dash of > "theater"! >From what I understood from others that have seen him in the past is that he has definitely improved in the showmanship aspect of his presentation. They said he used to be very boring but he was very charismatic when I saw him - wonder where he went to learn that. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
I am not really feeling good about > this horse so your thoughts for both of them would be appreciated. > All the positive and healing thoughts I can muster are being sent your way -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Jacki Edens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cobber is now 7 months old. His father looked a lot like Janice's "eye > candy" Earl, but his mom is a standard poodle. Great dog, but he bounces What a cute dog - where did you get him? -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
