Re: [IceHorses] sound riding Icelandic for sale anywhere?
> I was contacted by people here in my town. They lost > their mare several > months ago. They are looking for a good quiet trail > mare. Remember we are here in > California, south. Sylvia > That is funny. Because I am thinking of looking for another Icey. But a gelding. Good luck Lorraine
[IceHorses] Icelandic Horses For Sale Board
Here's the new Icelandic Horses for Sale Board, as of today: http://iceryder.net/forsale.html If you have an Icelandic Horse for sale, please feel free to add a post. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Horsemask/ loss of eye
There's a wonderful old quarter horse mare that comes to visit at Creekside when her owner travels. She wears this mask. At first, her appearance is a little shocking because she has had one eye removed and the owner cut the protective cover away from that eye. She has to stay indoors in the day time and goes out for the evening and over night. Sadly, she is slowly losing sight in her remaining eye. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] question about color
> I have noticed among Paso Finos that tobianos are prevalent...in fact I > do not recall ever seeing an overo. What is the color ratio with > Icelandics? I believe that Splash Icelandics are overos. Mic can probably say more about it, but I think there has been recent concern and emphasis on breeding them... maybe they were dying out. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
Hi >>> One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does >>> anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues >>> do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that >>> way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. Out stallion Lettir had to have an eye removed and he seemed to cope really well. It was his left eye. We had another mare who was blind in one eye and she also coped well. We have found that the body wrap, neck line driving and a bit of ground driving help re-boot the proprioceptive system and give those horses a much better sense of where they are in space. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] question about color
>>> I have noticed among Paso Finos that tobianos are prevalent...in fact I >>> do not recall ever seeing an overo. What is the color ratio with >>> Icelandics? Right off the bat, I can't think of an overo Icelandic, but there are three tobiano Icelandic's in my pasture at the moment. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
>>> One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does >>> anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues >>> do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that >>> way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. Terry's mare had one removed a while back, and just last week had surgery on the remaining eye. I think the complication with her though is that she wasn't handled before they got her and she's a Clydesdale. That's an awfully big horse to be untrusting and partially blind. I'd think a horse with lots of confidence, experience, and trust do better still. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] question about color
I saw a show this week on rfdtv. about pinto pasos. they brought in pinto studs to only two farms originally. one in alabama and one in florida where it was crossed with el pastor blooodline btww. anyway. since a tobiano has to have a tobiano parent maybe the studs originally were tobiano and it just passes along? there is a lot of confusion and mistaken thinking among icey owners about color. they are very closed minded sbout color, saying certain colors don't exist in the breed, then you see one obviously that color and they say nope, can't be, don't have that in the breed. for one thing I have seen pics of very obvious sabino and they say nope no sabino. also appaloosa patterns such as varnish roan pattern but nope, they think an appaloosa pattern is the obvious snowflake blanket and won't even consider the rest. also will only recognized silver blue dun and ignore all the degrees in between as faded blak whereas several old breeds readily differentiate between silver dun, olive dun, black dun etc. so I would not go to any icelandic color "experts" if I were you. one thing you could do if he is still there, I emailed univ of davis and they hooked me up with a pinto expert at auburn univ who was very helpful with me re; pinto. janice
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
Poor Mura, She lived at my house for a summer in 1994 and so I have a soft spot for her. She had a colt Joki and Stella had BIbi and the two were best buddies. Blue eyed horses can be a problem but with the advent of fly masks things must be better than in the past. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
> > > She may not have any issues with just one eye. > > I have known two Icelandics with only one functional eye. Rosie had > hers removed when she was young (due to an accident), and she was not > bothered by it. Aesa had the eyeball, but no sight in it, and she was > a nervous horse by nature, even before her accident. > > Often, in my arena when doing ropings, there was a big black horse. I > never noticed for years that he had only one eye. His eyeball had been > removed and the owner had a small ball inserted before the vet closed it up, > for cosmetic purposes. You just couldn't tell! And he roped real well. > Thanks - that is encouraging -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
> One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does > anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What > issues do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had > to go that way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. She may not have any issues with just one eye. I have known two Icelandics with only one functional eye. Rosie had hers removed when she was young (due to an accident), and she was not bothered by it. Aesa had the eyeball, but no sight in it, and she was a nervous horse by nature, even before her accident. Often, in my arena when doing ropings, there was a big black horse. I never noticed for years that he had only one eye. His eyeball had been removed and the owner had a small ball inserted before the vet closed it up, for cosmetic purposes. You just couldn't tell! And he roped real well. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
> > It's Terry, the hauler, whose old Clydesdale mare just had surgery for > cancer. I'm sure he'd tell you about her experiences if you'd like. If you > don't have his e-mail, I can send it to you privately. Thanks, I have his email and will get in touch with him. All the feedback we can get will be good. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye >> (squamous cell carcinoma) > > Laree, somehow I missed this; I didn't know. How did it happen? When did > you notice it? She has had it for some time and it was not taken care of until she came to live with Cherie. Cherie and her vet did 4 Cryo freezing treatments (with lliquid nitrogen) and that didn't take care of it. When she came to live here, we put her on a topical chemo drug but that did nothing. Now we are working with the NC State vet school to try to make a plan on how to go forward from here. They are getting a new treatment (Brachy Therapy) that has a 95% success rate wth this type of tumor but we don't know how expensive it's going to be yet, so that is, unfortunately, going to have a bearing on what we can do. There is also another option of chemo injections but we don't know the cost on that yet either. It's just frustrating because if this had been taken care of when it first started, she would have had a much better chance of it being a simple thing to fix. One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Thank you, Nancy!
> Nancy sent this to me, and it is s cool, I had to make a public thank you. I love it! And Susan, you are so cute! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] question about color
I am in dispute of sorts over overos and tobianos I have noticed among Paso Finos that tobianos are prevalent...in fact I do not recall ever seeing an overo. What is the color ratio with Icelandics? yours bev
Re: [IceHorses] Thank you, Nancy!
You are quite welcome, SUsan. I just knew you should have this shirt. Mic, let me find out for you. They are sold by the mammo program at Oregon Instute of Technology where our grandaughter is a student in the imaging department. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
>>> Karen - your timing is impeccable and amazing - we are trying to decide >>> what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye (squamous cell >>> carcinoma) and whichever direction we take in the treatment, this will >>> probably be a good source for us. This is a really complicated decision >>> and I actually have a spread sheet that lays out all the options and the >>> combination of options and their costs. Thanks for that link. It's Terry, the hauler, whose old Clydesdale mare just had surgery for cancer. I'm sure he'd tell you about her experiences if you'd like. If you don't have his e-mail, I can send it to you privately. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
> decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye > (squamous cell carcinoma) Laree, somehow I missed this; I didn't know. How did it happen? When did you notice it? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Torsion saddles for sale
>>> I want to buy another Sensation myself--a Hybrid because Orri has more >>> wither than Gat. I never use my Hrmirir saddle so I'm thinking of >>> selling that so I can buy a Hybrid. You just can't beat the Sensations for Icelandic's. The Torsions are nice quality, and with as many horses as I have, I like to have a couple of different kinds of saddles, but the Sensations are our favorites. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A friend had a horse who had eye surgery (cancer) recently and he found > this: > > http://www.horsemask.com/Main.html > > It looks like an interesting product for those who might need it. > Karen - your timing is impeccable and amazing - we are trying to decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye (squamous cell carcinoma) and whichever direction we take in the treatment, this will probably be a good source for us. This is a really complicated decision and I actually have a spread sheet that lays out all the options and the combination of options and their costs. Thanks for that link. Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
[IceHorses] Cinch Hook
Making cinching easier: http://myhorse.com/global/videos/products/cinchhook_wmv.aspx Smart cinch: http://myhorse.com/global/videos/products/wlsmartcinch_wmv.aspx Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Horsemanship, A Noble Calling
Excerpts from an article by Maureen Gallatin of Inspired by Horses http://www.inspiredbyhorses.com The ethic of good horsemanship encompasses much more than merely knowing about horses, handling them competently, or riding well. It involves excellence, but it goes beyond being a good technician. Think about musicianship. Music isn't great just because it's being played note-perfect. There's a quality inside the musician that is expressed through music, and the world is the better for it. As we become better horsemen, we become better people, and that's the real value in working for better horsemanship. It's not about ribbons or fame. It's not about success in the show ring. It's about success as a human being, about bringing out the best in ourselves and others. And good horsemanship does that for us and the people around us. There's a responsibility that goes with the privilege. Naturally, being knowledgeable is part of it. Good horsemen are secure enough to be always learning. We depend on the most current, most reliable information about horses and training, whether that's age-old wisdom or new research. Remember, when in doubt, good horsemen take the high road. Your horse will help you do that, even if the rascal runs away the very moment you want to catch him. What do you do? Get mad and throw something at him, or thank God that he's sound enough to run and you have the joy of training him to come to you on cue. Remember to keep it joy-filled as you're inspired by horses. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
A friend had a horse who had eye surgery (cancer) recently and he found this: http://www.horsemask.com/Main.html It looks like an interesting product for those who might need it. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Quote
>From Bonnie Davis, author and consulting editor for Trail Rider magazine: "Recreational trail riders are the backbone of the horse industry yet we are the most overlooked within the industry itself!" Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Corner Gas
2008/6/24 pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just added it to my Netflix list! Did you like Trailer Park Boys? Love it! I try to watch it when ever I can. Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
> It's been quite a while since I rode him and when I did he didn't want > to move, same when ridden by Alex. Maybe you can try a game that I'm doing with the pony. He is a lead-line pony and is not used to moving with a rider directing him. He is used to following on a lead-line. So, first I taught him to target a moving ball. He got lots of rewards for following the ball. At first I would walk along with him, as that's the only way he would go forward. (He was at liberty, with no rider, but it seems that if someone is in the "leading" position, he stays there.) The next session, I tried to fade back somewhat, and several times he left me to follow the ball and target it for his click and treat. We also tried it with the little girl on him. She was a passive rider, giving no direction. I would kick the ball, and he would follow it to touch it. Here's some of his progress: http://click-ryder.blogspot.com/2008/06/working-with-lead-line-pony.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think, like Robyn said, Orri seems less brave on lead--maybe like >> he's expecting the worst to happen. > > > How about under saddle? > > It's been quite a while since I rode him and when I did he didn't want to move, same when ridden by Alex. V
[IceHorses] Pretty Horses
> >The last picture is of a young male hummingbird that got stuck in our pole barn and fell down from exhaustion.<< That's funny, I just came in from holding a young coal tit who managed to knock himself out on the glass of our conservatory. He took about 20 minutes to recover but then flew away happily. Mic We found a hummingbird who had died in midflight on one of our hay bales in the loft. She looked perfect with her wings extended. I felt so bad and the next time I saw a hummer up there, I hoisted a feeder to the top of the barn. It landed and fed before I had tied the rope off. Trish
[IceHorses] Corner Gas
>>Judy Ryder wrote: Wanda, have you seen the sitcom, Corner Gas? << It's based on some real prairie humour. It can usually crack me up every time I happen to catch it. Wanda Just added it to my Netflix list! Did you like Trailer Park Boys? Trish
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
> >This is basically a synopsis of comments from a roundtable? and not an >official standing of FEIF at this point? >From someone who was there: "It was done at the last FEIF conference. We all had to go in groups and answer certain questions which led to these answeres. Personally, I felt it all went on too long and was unnecessary after 2 days of long meetings and several people sloped off. It was all very HR. When asked about what people would go away from the conference and do, one person replied "give up riding". They took all these answers and compiled the document." > Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
[IceHorses] New Book: A Life With Horses
A new book by Mark Rashid: http://goodhorsemanship.blogspot.com/2008/06/life-with-horses.html Please feel free to pass this on. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Quote
"We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate for having taken form so far below ourselves. And therein do we err. For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours, they move finished and complete, gifted with the extension of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings: they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth." ~Henry Beston __ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Natural Horsemanship Clinics in NH
http://www.horseclinics.info/ Dr. David Siemens on anatomy and saddlefit: http://www.davidsiemens.com/pages/anatomy.htm http://www.davidsiemens.com/pages/saddle.htm Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Lessons in Lightness
Interesting: http://www.markrusselltraining.com/lessonsinlightness.html His pictures show a loose-rein dressage-style riding. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Belle update was liver problem
What a pretty mama and baby. Sending Reiki. Please keep me updated. {{{HUGS}}}
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Cali at her new - temporay - home
Enjoy your new pony. <;p] she's very cute! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
I thinks it's time we applaud the good things but keep pushing to > improve. > > I would totally agree with you. yes because some times it takes guts to stand up and say what's right even when others are bullying you and your alleged net friends won't let out a peep to take up for you or your real net friends do speak out on your behalf but the other lists won't allow it to go thru... if you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything. I know I lead with my chin but I wish more would speak out for what's right. when I do speak out I get a lot of offline hidden support and on one hand I understand... its not easy to speak out against the majority but on the other hand I get upset. these horses don't have anybody but us. janice
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
like someone said to them "hey do us all a favor. stop riding" . and the one about feeding at 7 am... on sat at 6 am my husband starts in " I feed every morning at 5 am and now on your days to feed they have to stand out there suffering until as late as 6;30..." sheesh janice
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
> The results from the "Welfare Cafe" at the last FEIF conference. Thanks for this, Mic. Very interesting! This is basically a synopsis of comments from a roundtable? and not an official standing of FEIF at this point? In any case, it's good to see the thoughts and comments aligning with our work for the past almost dozen years. At first we were laughed at, but now it seems that the light is on, and that's a good thing! Congratulations to everyone who has played a part in getting us to this point! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com Page 1 The Welfare Cafe Page 2 World Cafe People engage deeply when they feel they are contributing their thinking to questions that are important to them. Each participant in the Cafe represents an aspect of the whole system's diversity and as each person has the chance to connect in conversation more of the intelligence inherent in the group becomes accessible. Page 3 World Cafe At the FEIF Conference 2008, all participants were invited to participate in the World Café under the motto "Welfare of the Horse" The results are presented on the following pages. Page 4 Support requested from FEIF Educate: judges trainers, leisure riders, new owners Education materials on FEIF website Develop a competence certificate or drivers'license for new owners Revisit FIPO: look at overall impression of horse, less emphasis on lift Look at the bio-mechanisms of the horse with the guidelines Streamline FIPO&FIZO to be more consistent in horse we aim for FEIF need to support judges to give yellow/red cards Provide articles for country magazines on welfare Link to each country website to say when something new is happening Page 5 Support requested from FEIF FWVC to do a study on correct position of saddle Produce booklet on general horse welfare issues Produce a PowerPoint presentation on CD to be translated into all FEIF languages Publication of bad behaviour Better warning system for sport and breeding Inform people about horse welfare Create certificate for good horsemanship Judges need to be more strict at big events in accordance to welfare Pay more attention to the role modelling of elite riders Look at harsh riding at all levels. Not more rules, but control of rules Ask for EU money to finance projects on welfare Page 6 Your Commitments I will stay curious in my search for improved and new communication methods, so that my teaching and instructing will be more and more positive and effective I want to improve and develop my knowledge and competences around welfare of the horse I will incorporate more informative and educational articles into our magazine. I will also endeavour to improve my own education regarding all aspects of horse ownership and riding I will loose weight and improve my fitness for the benefit of my horse Page 7 Your Commitments I will see our horses like a friend I want to listen more to what my horses tell me I will initiate a group responsible to the board to form an educational programme to be used to further knowledge to our members on the subject of horse welfare I will more carefully observe and discipline bad treatment of the horse during a breeding evaluation I will focus more on whether the horse is stressed or overworked during a test Page 8 Your Commitments I will be even more aware of the horses welfare in training of both horses and the riders I will help others in taking better care of the horse I will be open minded and always try to improve knowledge I will write articles about basic items having to do with good horse keeping I will continue with integrating welfare with our associations action plan when possible Page 9 Your Commitments I will educate and inform people I will take lessons to improve my own riding skills I will continue to ride my horse with an awareness of his needs and bring out the best in him. I will through my teaching bring a better understanding of the right way to ride the horse I will be more understanding of people who don't know better in their relationship with the horse Page 10 Your Commitments I will work towards a better understanding of the horse and a better training I will look that the horses have correct stables I will continue to love my horses and treat them with deep respect. I want to further train them while developing their personality I will listen to my horse and not break his spirit and heart I will continue educating myself further I will listen to the horse before using it Page 11 Your Commitments I will understand my horses needs better and try to fulfil them I will stand up for horse welfare in my country I will raise the horse in its natural environment and train them according to good horsemanship I will be a good example to others I will repair damaged fences, check horses mouths for injuries and ride with increased sensitivity Page 12 Your Commitments I will sell many of the horses to the right persons so I can have more time with the horses left I will go at 7
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
>>> I haven't had a chance to read through all of this but I did get some >>> promising things from what I did read and I am encouraged that attention >>> is being paid and an effort is being made to improve. I did read it all, and I didn't have a clue what many parts meant. >>>I think just like we have found with our horses - positive reinforcement >>>gets us further than nit-picking and negative feedback. I think it's >>>time we applaud the good things but keep pushing to improve. >>I would totally agree with you. Sure, but hopefully we aren't dealing with animals that have another native language here. And we're hopefully not talking to five-year-old humans. I hope we don't have to "dumb down" our concerns in a patronizing way to get through to (what I hope are) thinking adult humans... Somehow this makes me think about the Soccer Mom type phrasing, something along the lines of, "Good job there, Thor!!!...Great try...but maybe it would be a juuust a leetttle bit better if old Odinn's mouth wasn't bleeding." These aren't "Little Johnny's" out on the Little League fields dropping an occasional fly ball because of lack of maturity/skill, but international competitors - ADULTS.And it's not like any one HAS to compete, to put food on the table or whatever. Sorry if I take this a little personally, but I've seen Icelandic's with mouth scars from rough riding. I own one who also has some mental scars that he won't ever forget. I worry about the horses who are getting hurt in the interim, much more than I worry about being polite to adults who should know better. The adult competitors have a choice. The horses don't. Don't expect me to worry about hurting the abusers' feelings. Besides, we can't nitpick when the phrasing is so vague as to be meaningless...except for the "stop riding" and "feed at 7am" comments that were oddly too specific to have any meaning. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Inspiration Quote
>From Oprah's Mission Calendar Inspiration: Most days I recite a litany of gratitudes for the pleasures of [women's] company, the beauty and beatitudes of their intellections. Mine and I have been saved and comforted, challenged and loved and mightily improved by the knowledge of them. -Thomas Lynch Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
> I think, like Robyn said, Orri seems less brave on lead--maybe like > he's expecting the worst to happen. How about under saddle? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Torsion saddles for sale
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like my > Torsions pretty well - not quite as well as the Sensations Looks nice. I want to buy another Sensation myself--a Hybrid because Orri has more wither than Gat. I never use my Hrmirir saddle so I'm thinking of selling that so I can buy a Hybrid. V
RE: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
Hi Laree >>>I thinks it's time we applaud the good things but keep pushing to improve. I would totally agree with you. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: > Who was in attendance and who were these aimed towards? Why should an > international > sport/breed-standard governing body care what time people feed their > horses...or are they > worried that some horses aren't getting fed regularly at some of the > events...? It just > makes me wonder what is missing behind these statements. I'd think this is just collection of everything people have said when asked for their commitment for the horses' wellfare. While some have thought about all the horses (writing articles etc.) some have made their commitment very specifically to their own horses in their own personal situations (feeding the horses in time in the mornings). And all have not taken the assignment very seriously (like the one who said he/she won't ride). Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
maybe someone photographed sitting on the loins with a nose band cutting into the flesh by an inch and a half had someone decent ask publicly "hey for the good of the horse why don't you just quit riding!" ;) janice
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: > The results from the "Welfare Cafe" at the last FEIF conference. "I will stop riding!" LOL Krisse
[IceHorses] Torsion saddles for sale
There is a Torsion saddle for sale on ebay at the moment if anyone is looking for a treeless saddle. It appears to be in at least fairly good condition. I don't own it and haven't seen it except in these pictures, but thought I'd pass the link along. I like my Torsions pretty well - not quite as well as the Sensations, but this one look reasonably priced for the quality...assuming it doesn't have more wear than the pictures show. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280238709866&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 Note that the included 44" girth will NOT work with this saddle on an Icelandic! (You'd need something more like a 18-24", most likely a 20" or 22" for most Icelandic's.) If I were interested, I'd ask the seller if she/he has more detailed pictures, particularly of the billets and the underside of the saddle, to help judge wear. I'd also ask for a picture clearly showing the Torsion label, to be sure it's not one of the cheap imitations on the market now. If it's real, and not too worn, this might be a good deal. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The results from the "Welfare Cafe" at the last FEIF conference. I haven't had a chance to read through all of this but I did get some promising things from what I did read and I am encouraged that attention is being paid and an effort is being made to improve. I think just like we have found with our horses - positive reinforcement gets us further than nit-picking and negative feedback. I thinks it's time we applaud the good things but keep pushing to improve. OK - I am ready for the backlash :-) -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > People usually seem to think they have better control of their horses >>> > when they lead them > on a short line, but it's really the opposite. I have no idea if this > pertains to you, > Virginia, but it's a good point to review all along. And, it's always good > to practice > this until it's second nature, so we won't grab in a crisis. > I have been using a 'float' since I started reading and practicing Parelli. Orri and Gat and both very good with a float. I'm not so sure Alex was using a 'float' when Orri spooked at my husband. V
[IceHorses] Woot! DREAM Horse Park in NJ now open!
Finally! After a very long wait, the new DREAM Horse Park in South Jersey is finally open! It really is a dream come true that such a great facility has come to the area. The park is located just south of the Commodare Barry bridge in southern NJ off of Rt 130 in Gloucester Township. It is a short drive from Philadelphia and Delaware. It will host events and also has boarding. They have just started working on Phase 2 which will provide 200 acres of trails. I board my icey mare down the road from here and can't wait to see this area develop into the horse center of Jersey. I'm told that this is a better facility then the horse park in the northern part of the state. I am hoping that someday there might even be icey events there. http://www.gcianj.com/dream-park-facilities-gcia-nj.html Ellen
Re: [IceHorses] Fires in No CA
>>> Good thoughts to Faxi and Riddari, as well as Bern and her husband. Absolutely. Bernadette, I hope all is well very soon. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
>> Is he more brave and curious when he is free and not held by a lead? He may >> feel much >> safer when he has some control over the situation and is more stress when he >> feels >> restrained/ contained. Yes, that makes sense...although he can also be very nosy while on a lead. I'll have to watch that closely. There's a point that Pat Parelli makes at almost all of his weekend tours. When the owners of the "problem horses" bring their horses into the arena, they are obviously nervous, and they wouldn't be there if they didn't believe their horses had issues. And, almost all of them will come into the arena with a death-grip on the lead line, most holding them on a VERY short line. (Not that I blame them really - I'd be nervous in front of a crowd too...) Invariably, when Pat or Linda or one of their instructors take the horse, he/she will relax almost instantly. Pat has a standard corn-pone joke for the occasion... he says something to the effect: "You know, we sell the whole lead line, but if you're only going to hang onto the snap, I suppose we could start selling snaps alone. When you're leading your horse, feel free to use the entire line." I think it was Bill Dorrence who talked about the float in the line - meaning that the horse shouldn't be taut on the line at all. You can see that in two different lights, both related: first, it means that the horse is relaxed and happy enough to be walking along with you of his own free will. Second, just leaving the horse some float gives him a little slack to have a little reaction to something he sees, without getting that panicked and trapped feeling. If the horse can lift his head, or even freely step around one or two steps, he'll often return to his confident, thinking self. But if he gets that trapped sensation, then a tiny "alert" can be magnified significantly into a full-fledged spook. People usually seem to think they have better control of their horses when they lead them on a short line, but it's really the opposite. I have no idea if this pertains to you, Virginia, but it's a good point to review all along. And, it's always good to practice this until it's second nature, so we won't grab in a crisis. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] latest from FEIF
>>> The results from the "Welfare Cafe" at the last FEIF conference. Is it just me, or are there some peculiar statements on the list...? Like: "I will sell many of the horses to the right persons so I can have more time with the horses left" "I will go at 7 am to the stables and give them food" "I will stop riding!" Surely those must have come up in response to something specific, but those statements are are a little bizarre when taken as standalone statements...at least to me. Who was in attendance and who were these aimed towards? Why should an international sport/breed-standard governing body care what time people feed their horses...or are they worried that some horses aren't getting fed regularly at some of the events...? It just makes me wonder what is missing behind these statements. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Happy Birthday Anna!!!
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems to me Anna will be turning 50 tomorrow! Happy Birthday to Anna! > > > Happy birthday, Anna. :) > Yes, Happy Birthday!!! V
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I > have no idea what Orri's idiocynrasies might be, but if you can pick up some > sort of > pattern, you can probably figure out how to use what he likes and is > confident with to > make him more confident in the things he's weaker in. > OK--I'll see if I can figure out a pattern. V
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > At what times is he not brave? Can you isolate any common circumstances? > > I will have to watch for common circumstances. The other day when Alex brought the horses over to hose, Orri didn't see my husband sitting under the canopy and when he say him he jumped, literally, a foot or two sideways. Gat just looked. I think, like Robyn said, Orri seems less brave on lead--maybe like he's expecting the worst to happen. V
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Virginia, I wish I lived closer to all of you. > > Too bad you don't live closer to Olga Comeau in Hampton, N.S. - she is a > TTEAM practitioner and excellent Centered Riding teacher and offers a > variety of workshops at her place. > I live about 6 hours away =/- and I do hope to get there eventually. V
Re: [IceHorses] Contrasting behavior
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Virginia, thumping the ground with a huge stick and yelling > aggressively, well Orri cantered on over like he wanted to join in. > > Is he more brave and curious when he is free and not held by a lead? He may > feel much safer when he has some control over the situation and is more > stress when he feels restrained/ contained. > Yes, that makes sense...although he can also be very nosy while on a lead. I'll have to watch that closely. V
Re: [IceHorses] Corner Gas
2008/6/24 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Wanda, have you seen the sitcom, Corner Gas? It's my husband's favorite > show. He says it's based in Sascatchewan... but they don't say "eh" at the > end of each sentence. Snort! Yes, I've seen it. It's made in a town just a few hundred miles from us...called Rolo Saskatchewan. It's based on some real prairie humour. It can usually crack me up everytime I happen to catch it. Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Middle Aged Woman
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:11:25 +0100, you wrote: >It's called Middle Aged Woman, by Lisa Koch, but I can't find it to >download anywhere. Good old Yahoo - sent this over a week ago, and it arrived - and now it's arrived again. Ho hum. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Pretty horses
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:36:43 -0400, you wrote: >The last picture is of a young male hummingbird that got stuck in our >pole barn and fell down from exhaustion. That's funny, I just came in from holding a young coal tit who managed to knock himself out on the glass of our conservatory. He took about 20 minutes to recover but then flew away happily. I bet he has a headache though! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
[IceHorses] Re: anemic blood levels?
> > My vet has recently taken blood from an Icelandic mare of mine and is concerned that she may be anemic. > > Anna > > Complete Blood Count Skutla age 6 > Gloi age 12Falki > age 12 > WBC 4.4 (LOW) 4.9 (LOW) 4.7 (LOW) > RBC 7.2 7.2 5.3 (LOW) > HGB 11.7 11.1 9.1 (LOW) > HCT 32 (LOW) 33 (LOW) 27 (LOW) > > > Do you have MCH (mean cell haemaglobin)? and there should be an assessment of cell size MCV (mean vell volume) or variability of cell size. Small cells and low MCH is often iron deficient(maybe blood loss due to worms). Large cells are sometimes vitamin deficient. I'm not a vet except for humans! More info is better. I'm sure we have a vet on the group. Anything on the report is helpful even if normal. Did your vet give a report stating the type of anaemia? Sue Coombes
