Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic
when jas does a steppin pace my bosoms dont jump like that, and believe me, my bosoms are so big they would bruise both my chin and my knees if they started jumping around like that. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic
maybe it is a nice tolt and she just needs a good bra desperately. My Jaspar can do a body slamming teeth crackin hard pace. I dont even allow him to do it because it CANT be that easy on his frame. I either bump him up to a canter or back to a walk, as appropriate. But I once allowed a friend to ride him that had taken years of formal dressage training as a child/teen, always on lesson horses, and she had never ridden a gaited horse. After the ride she told me "I believe he has the roughest trot I have ever seen in any horse." haha. I told her he had never trotted in his life... i wonder what jas thought about her posting his hard pace... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic
--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Renee Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't it funny that no matter what these Icelandics do > beyond trot (or > canter) it gets labelled tolt nearly every time? That's because anything other than tolt is unacceptable. They must have just put up a video that was "a bad moment in time"...hehehe Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic
--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-chestnut-icelandic-horse.html >> << Looks like a step pace to me - almost a hard pace in spots because she is pushing him for too much speed. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic
Other than one little place where he starts to break into a canter, he seems to be doing various kinds of a pace. For a bit I saw the true hard pace Twist does, but the rider is handling it pretty well, so maybe a very fast stepping pace? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic
- Original Message - From: "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [IceHorses] What Gait / Chestnut Icelandic > http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-chestnut-icelandic-horse.html Well, it ain't "le tolt". . . . at least to my eyes. That horse moves much as our Rose did when motivated. So, I'm inclined to call it hard pace, piggy pace, whatever -- just pace, pace, pace. Isn't it funny that no matter what these Icelandics do beyond trot (or canter) it gets labelled tolt nearly every time? -- Renee M. up in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Gaited Mule
Judy Ryder wrote: > Did you see where the rider had his arms up in the air to show he > wasn't holding the reins? Yes! And I thought that was so nice to see. That little mule is so darn cute and so knows it. I love her. Elva
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Gaited Mule
>> http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-gaited-mule.html >> > Is she doing a stepping pace Judy?I think she's grand, no matter what > gait. She's doing a stepping pace in the beginning. I get the feeling that she is protecting her feet from the asphalt by going more lateral and flatter. When she steps out in the sand, she gets more square. Did you see where the rider had his arms up in the air to show he wasn't holding the reins? In the first part, he probably could have cranked her up, weighted her fronts, and got a flashier rack, but I would guess that she's more of a "using" horse, so no need to go there. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com <>
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Gaited Mule
Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-gaited-mule.html > > Is she doing a stepping pace Judy?I think she's grand, no matter what gait. A mule like her is on my bucket list too. I will not live long enough I think . . . : ) -- Renee M. up in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
> I should send you all a video some time of my offtrack Standardbred. > in harness he never does anything other than hard pace. That would be neat to have a video of that. Also, we need more video of horses moving directly towards the camera to evaluate the legs and movement (any breed will do); can anyone get some video for us? Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
I would say that this horse is close to hard pacing with the saddle; without the saddle the timing of the laterals is broken up a little more. I should send you all a video some time of my offtrack Standardbred. He does the most awful hard pace imaginable. Although he does trot, stepping pace and canter under saddle, in harness he never does anything other than hard pace. It was really drilled into him. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
>> http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-rocky-mountain-horse-2.html > > A guess would be #1 flat walk and #2 stepping pace. This is what I posted about #2: "Great video! and nice job on the slo-mo! I would say that this horse is close to hard pacing with the saddle; without the saddle the timing of the laterals is broken up a little more. Notice the rider bouncing with the use of the saddle, but stiller without the saddle. I would check out saddle fit on this beautiful horse; maybe try treeless. Also check the bit fit." Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-rocky-mountain-horse.html http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-rocky-mountain-horse-2.html >> This is still so hard for me - slow learner or perhaps because I am ON >> the only gaited horses I ever get to see. A guess would be #1 flat walk >> and #2 stepping pace. I always have trouble seeing the pairing of legs on black horses, so I'm not sure about #1. I think there may be a little more diagonal than even timing, so I think maybe it's more foxwalk or slow foxtrot. I'm not going to swear though. One good clue is that there's some head nod, but you can see that in either flat walk or foxtrot/foxwalk.(You can also see a "V" head motion in a stepping pace, but this looks to me to be more of an up-and-down nod...?) I like both gaits, so I wouldn't quibble with a horse that gives me either of his own accord, especially on a loose rein. The second one I agree with you on - and I think it's a pretty pacey step-pace at that. When I see a horse pacing like that, the first thing I want to do is check his saddle fit! Anyway, I don't think you are way off base - you may well be closer than I am. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
2008/7/13 Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is still so hard for me - slow learner or perhaps because I am ON the > only gaited horses I ever get to see. It IS hard Nancy. I really have to study these things too. > A guess would be #1 flat walk and #2 stepping pace. I thought #1 started out as a flat walk, maybe transitioning into a running walk? And then into a trot.. #2 I thought was stepping pace as wellat least the first part of the video, I didn't have a chance to watch it all the way through. Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
> Here are two different Rocky Mountain Horses; what gait(s): > > http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-rocky-mountain-horse.html > > http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-gait-rocky-mountain-horse-2.html This is still so hard for me - slow learner or perhaps because I am ON the only gaited horses I ever get to see. A guess would be #1 flat walk and #2 stepping pace. Would someone please post the correct answer - it helps me to learn. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many 5-gaited horses tölt just fine but need the weights > to trot. Why? I would guess that is poor breeding, then, or maybe a horse being pushed to do things it is not really capable of doing. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
Hi Krisse >>>Many 5-gaited horses tölt just fine but need the weights to trot. Like one riding instructor/horse trainer said about my Fjóla when we were talking about her weak trot: "But she's 5-gaited, she doesn't have to trot without weighted boots". That is true but over the years we have found that it is better overall for the horse to teach them trot without boots. We have found that by working with the balance and body flexibility using Connected Groundwork that most of the horses with little trot without boots or shoes, found the trot very well. We used to put slightly heavier shoes on the front feet, pretty common practice. The thing I think that can happen is that there is extra stress on the fetlock joints with even a little extra weight and you can have bilateral lameness that often goes unrecognized but can show up in behavior. I think, if you are going to add some weight to the front legs, it is probably better to do so with boots than by constantly wearing heavier shoes, because the boots come off.. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: > > > > Nor me. When judging you would call it a "4-beat trot" and mark it > > down accordingly if it's consistent. I would guess, looking at the > > heavy boots and the conformation of the horse, that he's 5-gaited, > > prefers lateral gaits, doesn't trot easily and goes quickly onto the > > forehand. > > > How about the use of the weights for the tolt and how they affect the trot? > Many 5-gaited horses tölt just fine but need the weights to trot. Like one riding instructor/horse trainer said about my Fjóla when we were talking about her weak trot: "But she's 5-gaited, she doesn't have to trot without weighted boots". Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:58:13 -0700, you wrote: >How about the use of the weights for the tolt and how they affect the trot? In theory they should help a pacey horse to trot, and improve the tolt if it's pacey too. However if a horse is really hard-wired towards lateral gaits then it may not be able to trot cleanly no matter how much weight you put on the front feet. I've had a few like that over the years - they simply could not trot at all. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
> Nor me. When judging you would call it a "4-beat trot" and mark it > down accordingly if it's consistent. I would guess, looking at the > heavy boots and the conformation of the horse, that he's 5-gaited, > prefers lateral gaits, doesn't trot easily and goes quickly onto the > forehand. How about the use of the weights for the tolt and how they affect the trot? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:55:36 -0400, you wrote: >So, I don't think it's literally any previously >named gait. Nor me. When judging you would call it a "4-beat trot" and mark it down accordingly if it's consistent. I would guess, looking at the heavy boots and the conformation of the horse, that he's 5-gaited, prefers lateral gaits, doesn't trot easily and goes quickly onto the forehand. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
>>> Let's try this one: http://www.pbase.com/milsoft/image/83650548 It's diagonal, but a true trot shouldn't show a single-foot support phase like this shows. The front leg of the diagonal pair is already planted ahead of the opposite rear...but a foxtrot shouldn't have a single foot support phase either.So, I don't think it's literally any previously named gait. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
> > What gait is this horse doing? > > > Let's try this one: > > http://www.pbase.com/milsoft/image/83650548 > I'm going to say impure trot - not 4 beat enough to be a fox trot, but not a trot, either. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
> What gait is this horse doing? Let's try this one: http://www.pbase.com/milsoft/image/83650548 Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Icelandic
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What gait is this horse doing? > > http://i.pbase.com/g6/86/758586/2/83650548.isjRcpLX.jpg Oops, it's is forbidden. The "enemy" must be embarrased about it! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jersey
I wonder if there are paces and paces. The harness horses in an earlier gait video were doing the rolling hard pace our retired harness horse does. This mare looks much smmother and I think I'm seeing more of a broken or stepping pace. When Twist does this, we celebrate. It really is not unpleasant to ride. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jersey
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are two videos of a grade mare: > > http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-gait-jersey.html Step pace - almost pure pace. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / TWH in Belgium
>>> http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-gait-tennessee-walker-in-belgium.html Walking for the most part. I'd say mostly flat walking, with some regular walking and maybe a couple of short parts that might have been running walk. I think I also saw one brief glimpse of step pace, where she changed his direction and he seemed a little resistant. Overall, that's a lovely horse - reminds me of Blaze, a gorgeous palomino TWH pleasure horse that my buddy down the road owned when we were kids. Good for the rider for not pushing the speed too. It's always best to let the horse get really comfortable in his gait(s) before asking for more speed. Many nicely gaited horses will step pace (or hard pace) if pushed too fast, or if they lose their relaxation, and it would be a shame to rush this horse past his nice natural gaits. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / TWH in Belgium
What gait for this Tennesee Walking Horse in Belgium: Because he's got such a head nod going, I want to say running walk, but I thought I saw ordinary walk, flat walk and running walk. The rider is sure using her left hand agressively. I think she's trying to keep him on the rail, but I'd rather use my inside leg. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What gait...
2008/4/27 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GX28hSLAfQ > I think it needs a tiny bit more speed for flat walk. I've got to get that GPS. I'll see if I can get some video of the boys moving out a bit more... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What gait...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GX28hSLAfQ I think it needs a tiny bit more speed for flat walk. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What gait...
>> If this is a flat walk, can I expect that eventually Dagur will be able to >> perform a >> running walk? If I understood what Liz explained, I think it's more that virtually all gaited horses should be able to flat walk, but some may not be able to run walk. >> Does anyone have a video of a running walk? I would like to see it. I'll look through some videos - I should have one of Trausti run walking, but if Cary was the cameraman...well, you know how that goes. Here are a couple of Trausti flat walking, as identified by Liz Graves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU-RAUy1RPI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCYZulUyrw0 - sorry, I was trying to shoo him around and video at the same time so it's not the best video. Trausti seems to prefer running walk over any other gait, but I also have a husband who prefers not to catch some of the best gaits on film... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait Hunter
But wow, what beautiful scenery, but the gravel roads? You'd need either pads or boots to protect the soles. Not only were there many miles of rocky gravel roads, some of the trails were solid rock. The entry form suggested pads. We decided to go with Bosana boots, then had trouble with them and just carried two easy boots, which we didn't use. The horses did fine. We did slow down over the rocks. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait Hunter
>I suppose we'll have to go with multi-gaited. :-) You're going to have to get a video for us, Nancy! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait Hunter
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suppose we'll have to go with multi-gaited. > I'm going to have to go with 2 pics trotting, and the one head on, probably a step pace. But wow, what beautiful scenery, but the gravel roads? You'd need either pads or boots to protect the soles. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Koko
Nice horse nicely ridden. We see a few Missouri Foxtrotters out doing endurance. I am nearly always very impressed. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Koko
What a great obstacle course and a handy little horse Oh, yeah, the gait at the beginning: I'd say a smooth stepping pace. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
> I wonder what this guy could do with a saddle that actually fit? and a loose rein. He needs his head down I think! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
2008/4/24 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is > this horse doing? You know Judy, I went back searching for this pic this morningsomething about the picture snagged my attention. I believe the horse is doing pure pace...nothing much broken about it. However, look at the saddle, doesn't that look a bit 'perched' to you? I wonder what this guy could do with a saddle that actually fit? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
> > Here's something to think about... what gait would this horse do naturally? > well, actually, thats why I was so wrong in guessing gait :) Because teev, when he does a flatwalk sorta prancey thing, his head goes up and in his shadow he looks like this horse. So based on that, and based on how a hollow trot feels horrible and teevs trottiness does not, its nice and smooth, and based on how the feet on this side are kinda forming a vee, I said foxtrot, even tho the feet on the other side were perfectly together like a pace. So based on how Teevs head kinda comes up and he gets real prancey when he flatwalks and Liz said it was a foxwalk, I bet this horse would do a foxtrot, but realistically tho, based on factual evidence, he would probably do a saddlerack since a saddle rack is more toward the pace side of things. But he sure does a frame like Teev, and Teev is not pacey at all. ever. and he jukes along all perky with his head up and butt up like this horse. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another very pacey stepping pace, almost pure pace. > And obviously too slow > to be anywhere near "flying" - probably the kind of > pace that many > traditionalists would hiss "piggy pace." oohhh, nnn! don't tell the owner what her horse is doing! This is someone who would eat a piggy pacer!! ;-) Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Maja
Here's the video of Maja: http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/04/what.html and here are some stills from the video: http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/04/check-out-my-slide-show.html I won't comment, since I know her and I know her gaits, but I hope some others will take a stab... :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
> Here's something to think about... what gait would this horse do naturally? > > I really have no idea. . . Maybe he could be worked over to a running walk if allowed his head (to be lower)?? -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
>>> What gait on this horse: >>> http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL >>> PROTECTED]/476518960/in/set-72157600166926646/ Another very pacey stepping pace, almost pure pace. And obviously too slow to be anywhere near "flying" - probably the kind of pace that many traditionalists would hiss "piggy pace." Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
What gait on this horse: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/476518960/in/set-72157600166926646/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
does he seem not so hollow tho? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
>>> This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is >>> this horse doing? Pace that might be slightly broken by the time the lateral pairs set down. Nice that there's no noseband, but she's still got a grip on those reins - certainly not doing anything in that second to encourage "long and low". Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
Well, that's pretty lateral looking, but since the front and hind legs on the left side don't seem to be at the same place in their flight, I will guess stepping pace. If the legs on the left side end up striking together, then hard pace. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
On 24/04/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is > this horse doing? Looks pretty pacey to mestepping pace? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Old Picture
On 4/24/08, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a picture from an old "Tolt" magazine from Europe. What gait is > this horse doing? > fox trot. why does everything look like a foxtrot to me lately?? it would be so short as to almost be a piaffe tho! the back seems rounded altho the neck is ewed and a little high. I bet it is a fox-walk. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse 2
> Here's a second video of the same horse: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebwKlvzJLs > > What gait in this one? > Isn't it a running walk, or very, very close to a running walk? -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse 2
Here's a second video of the same horse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebwKlvzJLs What gait in this one? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
On 11/04/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are both very observant! > > Watch the difference in push-off between the left hind and the right hind. I don't know...to me it looks like his left front is off... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
I watched this video over and over. I sort of wanted to think the horse was lame. The rider is coming up off his back and his head is really bobbing, but not in a nice rhythmic way. It's either resistance or discomfort. Or maybe every time she bounces, it hurts his back and he bobs his head. I think you're onto something. Normally, when I see that much head action in a gaited horse, I first think of the bit or a pinching saddle, but since he was ridden bareback and with no bit, that can't be it. It wasn't a "head nod" that is a good thing with running walk or foxtrot - as you noted, it wasn't rhythmic. It's like what I saw in his feet wasn't the same story I saw in the rider's bouncing and in his head/body language. Maybe he's just really green, multigaited and is simply shifting gaits trying to find his balance...? It's nice to see a horse so naturally gaited, but I'd like to know more about what's going on. If he's really young and just under saddle, maybe it's not a big deal, but it sure left me with questions. If he IS that green and still finding his balance, I'd like to see more plain old regular walk before asking for gait. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
>> It looks like a rack (tolt), but there's something just a little >> different >> about it that I can't put my finger on. The rider also seems to be >> bouncing a bit more than usual. . . Hmmm > > I watched this video over and over. I sort of wanted to think the horse > was > lame. The rider is coming up off his back and his head is really bobbing, > but not in a nice rhythmic way. It's either resistance or discomfort. Or > maybe every time she bounces, it hurts his back and he bobs his head. You are both very observant! Watch the difference in push-off between the left hind and the right hind. He goes along just fine and level on the left push, but the right push is different and throws the momentum more upwards, which is where the rider is bouncing. Having the white line fence behind is good for relativity in the levelness. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
> Hey, did anyone else notice on the previous "what gait" horse -- an > Icelandic that foxtrotted -- that his tail undulated just like it would in > tolt? I've never seen that going on with a foxtrot before. The rack / saddle rack and fox trot are the gaits that the horse's tail waves like that. It's because of the similar hock action in the gaits. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
> It looks like a rack (tolt), but there's something just a little different > about it that I can't put my finger on. The rider also seems to be > bouncing a bit more than usual. . . Hmmm I watched this video over and over. I sort of wanted to think the horse was lame. The rider is coming up off his back and his head is really bobbing, but not in a nice rhythmic way. It's either resistance or discomfort. Or maybe every time she bounces, it hurts his back and he bobs his head. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Rocky Mountain Horse
It looks like a rack (tolt), but there's something just a little different about it that I can't put my finger on. The rider also seems to be bouncing a bit more than usual. . . Hmmm Hey, did anyone else notice on the previous "what gait" horse -- an Icelandic that foxtrotted -- that his tail undulated just like it would in tolt? I've never seen that going on with a foxtrot before. -- Renee M. in Michigan.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Trek Horse
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihiiWKFKH8 > Looks like a step pace to me. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Netuno
> > I hated the way the guy kept making the horse turn so suddenly and > sharply -- seemed kinda extreme and rude to the horse. > > Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's sort of a stock horse "thing". This horse really does it pretty > nicely and the rider is tactful with his rein handling. Some horses learn > to do this with the very minimum of rein contact and act like they enjoy it. Hi Nancy, Okay. . . But given the amount of tail swishing and ear pinning this horse did, I don't think he enjoyed it, although you are right -- it didn't appear the rider had to exert much "force" or pressure to turn the horse in this manner. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Netuno
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another Mangalarga Marchador: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on2e0QKe6a4 > I say definately a saddle rack. I liked it untill the guy went from standing on the horse's back and dropped to the saddle. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Netuno
>>> I've been studying the slo-mo and it seems to be wavering between >>> stepping pace and saddle rack. I believe that's likely. I didn't take the time to freeze-frame, but just looking at the non-leg clues: the rider's seat is not leaving the saddle at all, and the horse looks extremely smooth to ride. But, you can see a slight side-to-side motion in the rider's upper body. Whatever you call it, that sort of lateral gait is a long way from hard pace, and can be a great gait to ride - that's one of those spots where I sure wouldn't quibble whether someone calls it step-pace or saddle rack. He holds it for long periods too - I saw him break gait a few times, but not many. >>> Considering that some horses can't turn like that, I think the horse did >>> a really good job at it with no logging on the reins or head by the >>> rider. Yes, but even so, abrupt turns like that are hard on a horse's joints. Even non-abrupt turns can be hard on his body, so it bothers me to see it ridden like that purposely. Looks like a very nice horse to me, at least from what I can see in the video. I watched this on my teeny-tiny laptop screen. The reins look slack, and I don't see any shanks on the bit. Is that a snaffle? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Netuno
I hated the way the guy kept making the horse turn so suddenly and sharply -- seemed kinda extreme and rude to the horse. That's sort of a stock horse "thing". This horse really does it pretty nicely and the rider is tactful with his rein handling. Some horses learn to do this with the very minimum of rein contact and act like they enjoy it. Maybe to them it's a little like pasture play. I had a 16 h hunter that could turn on the rail and also slide like a stock horse, using an English saddle and a snaffle bit. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Netuno
Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD65pC8ZMEk > I think I see a saddle rack. I hated the way the guy kept making the horse turn so suddenly and sharply -- seemed kinda extreme and rude to the horse. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Netuno
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD65pC8ZMEk > Looks like a step pace to me most of the time. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stjarna
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6Q-8zwVY > > the first minute or so the lateral legs are moving in tandem, but in > opposite directions, so would that be "trottytoelt" ? > > It looks to be a trot. > > This is an example to compare to the trot of the show horses. This mare's > diagonals are moving together.<< Ok, I see it...it all depends on which pair of legs you "filter".
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
> > why is the horse kinda head tossy and goes with head to one side... > > The rider probably has too much contact on the horse's mouth, and the bit > may not fit, or the horse may never have been taught how to use the bit as a > means of communication. whatever hurts is on the opposite side of where the horse keeps wanting to go. Thats how jas does when his back is hurting. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
> why is the horse kinda head tossy and goes with head to one side... This looks to be fox trot. The rider probably has too much contact on the horse's mouth, and the bit may not fit, or the horse may never have been taught how to use the bit as a means of communication. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stjarna
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6Q-8zwVY > > the first minute or so the lateral legs are moving in tandem, but in > opposite directions, so would that be "trottytoelt" ? It looks to be a trot. This is an example to compare to the trot of the show horses. This mare's diagonals are moving together. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stjarna
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6Q-8zwVY > fox trot in the beginning; the slo-mo was step pace Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Reykur
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Phthl3NGVE > Step pace Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=qDFI4xLYNmw > I only looked at it once, but it looked like a fox trot to me. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Reykur
i thought a foxtrot but in slowmo it looks like a pace! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
why is the horse kinda head tossy and goes with head to one side... janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stjarna
On 04/03/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6Q-8zwVY Fox trot...but I'm undecided..it may have been some fairly clean trot for a few strides. It certainly wasn't a smooth fox trot... Nice little saddle rack Stepping pace Walk Canter Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
>> Subject: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=qDFI4xLYNmw<< Thats a four beat gait with one foot lifting, one foot down, one foot about to be down, and one foot high...so I'd say toelt, but depending on the point in the action I can't tell if its closer to lateral or diagonal.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Reykur
>> Subject: [IceHorses] What Gait / Reykur > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Phthl3NGVE<
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stjarna
>> Subject: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stjarna > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6Q-8zwVY<< the first minute or so the lateral legs are moving in tandem, but in opposite directions, so would that be "trottytoelt" ? Its not diagonal but its moving in that direction. I'm really new at looking these so don't blast me.
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Black Horse
>>> Not the right position for the fox trot. I would say it's an impure trot, >>> very manipulated, very forced. I sure wouldn't call it a trot - the airborne diagonal pair is waaay too out of sync for that. Some "leg positions" simply aren't worthy of being called a gait. I don't see any point in assigning a name to something so man-made and forced. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Stella
Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://iceryder.net/gaitstella.html > Man, she's got me stumped. . . I think I see foxtrot some of the time, but then, in some of the stills, she looks lateral in set-down and I think, naw, it's a saddle rack. . . Is she mixing her gaits a little maybe? I am very curious what the verdict is on this one. Nice little gaited horse though -- whatever she's doing!I wouldn't kick her out of my stable, that's for sure! : ) -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Eclipse
Man oh manI don't like that pounding on the pavement Looks like a saddle rack to me... Wanda On 21/02/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S2EIUc3vRU > > > Judy > http://iceryder.net > http://clickryder.com > > > IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, > contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and > unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Save the earth, it's the only place to get chocolate.
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:27:57 -0600, you wrote: >if they do a nice easy rocking chair canter in the >field, will they usually under saddle? Yes, that's been my experience. My old horse Solvi had a huge canter in the field and it was really hard to sit on (there's no way you would put a beginner on him for canter). I do find that in general horses which have pace (won't call them 5gaited horses Karen! ; )) usually have softer canters than those that don't. The canter is often 4-beat and lacking in suspension, but very nice to sit on - same as their trot, a lot of the time. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
> > It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow > collected canter. Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though > some 5gaited horses find it really hard. > > Mic > do you happen to know, being as you have a lot of experience riding DIFFERENT icies... if they do a nice easy rocking chair canter in the field, will they usually under saddle? Cause nasi has an almost lazy relaxed easy going canter sometimes. Then he also has the scooter powerhouse take off canter Tivar has also. I bet there is something in their conformation that causes them to have this power canter... my walking horses don't, none of them. Some have more easy going canters than others but there is a huge difference in the speed and power of a canter and a gallop with them, whereas with Tivar it seems a fine line, even in the field. I have not seen him do an easy going canter in the field either btw. Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
RE: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
and someday i'll learn to attach things ;) >>I would say she has rather a nice sloping shoulder. I don't dare judge particular conformation traits in moving, tacked horses, so I could well be wrong, but if anything, I would have guessed in that picture that he might have a somewhat upright shoulder. :) It's hard enough to judge from just a picture, but to try to judge a moving, tacked horse is virtually impossible I think. To judge conformation well, the horse needs to be standing in front of you, so you can actually poke and feel the bones and joints. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
Not here. We don't rush their training and thus, they don't "rush" into their gaits. Of course, we're not trying to do any "collected" canters, not in the true sense of the word. But, nice, relaxed canters? Every Icelandic that we've started here can canter easily, as opposed to some lugging or rushing gallop. I can't think of any Icelandic in my pasture, or who has been in my pasture, who doesn't show both canter and gallop at liberty. I should l put one disclaimer on that statement I made. I bought my Icelandics with pace in mind - or rather, the lack of it. I don't care if my horses have some lateralness in their gait range (saddle rack and even a LITTLE step-pace can be pretty cool), but we learned the hard way how difficult an inherently pacey can be. We loved old Mac dearly, and he had many wonderful qualities...but because he couldn't canter, or even trot easily, it was risky to jump him, and he never developed a canter. We were limited in what we could do with him. (His gallop did however, become less appalling with time.) I saw a few really pacey horses when I was looking for Icelandic's, but having owned Holly (a multi-gaited TWH with a good trot) and Mac, who could pace, step-pace and occasionally manage a little running walk - I KNEW which kind of horse was more appealing. I passed on buying any Icelandic's that I knew to be pacey. I wanted strong gaits...but to me, a horse doesn't have to be pacey to be "strongly gaited." Another think I've always suspected: "five-gaited" horses, meaning ones who have been traditionally trained, have been trained to PACE. I have always suspected that training pace will detract from a horse's ability to canter. I can actually USE a canter, but I don't have much use for pace, so guess I train, and which I don't. Since I don't encourage pace, I can't say that for sure, but it seems to me that training pace could confuse the horse, or even encourage a more lateral "muscle memory." I don't know that, I'm just speculating. But, for whatever reason, it seems odd that I see no problem at all with Icelandic's cantering (overall, across the breed) where I've heard many people say what Mic said. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
>>> It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow collected canter. Not here. We don't rush their training and thus, they don't "rush" into their gaits. Of course, we're not trying to do any "collected" canters, not in the true sense of the word. But, nice, relaxed canters? Every Icelandic that we've started here can canter easily, as opposed to some lugging or rushing gallop. I can't think of any Icelandic in my pasture, or who has been in my pasture, who doesn't show both canter and gallop at liberty. >>> Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though some 5gaited horses find it really hard. Overall, I agree with you, Mic, but I'd revise that last sentence to say "pacey horses seem to find it hard to canter." Beyond that, some horses need extra help finding their balance in canter - and that is totally blind to breed or gaitedness. If the rider is out-of-balance, or inexperienced, that can be a huge drag on the horse too. The two worst canters that come to my mind were Mac, the show-trained TWH who was inherently fairly paceyand Sundance, who was big, clunky, tended to fall on the forehandand he was a three-gaited QH. You couldn't ask for two more opposite horses re: gaitedness than Sundance and Mac. In contrast, Joe, the big App who's the other "big" horse (16H-ish) we've owned, has a lovely, easy, relaxed canter - not w/p slow, but one that was perfectly appropriate from the get-go for low-level dressage tests. (We began working him "towards collection" but he was an easy candidate for that discipline.) The gaited horses I've met who really, truly find it hard to canter are the horses who are pacey, the ones who seem to have absolutely no trot in their repertoire. That's another place I think the term "five-gaited confuses things. I am thinking of two Icelandic's (and one little TWH mare) in my pasture at the moment who have the full range of gaits, from trot to pace. Sina is one - she's 13H. Of all the horses I've ridden, any size, any breed, she has the best, easiest canter - true three-beat, relaxed, delightfully smooth, and not rushing-fast. Another is Trausti - also the full range of gaits and the kind of canter that just makes people grin - smooth, soft, and not at blinding speed. Both of these are definitely canter, and not gallop. Oh, they CAN gallop, but they don't feel obligated to rush into it. I could go on and on. Generally, it seems to me that if the horse has a wide NATURAL range of gaits (and that's what "five-gaited" suggests to me, although I think it's often a euphemism for "pacey") then getting a nice canter shouldn't be an issue at all. Holly, my TWH, is also multi-gaited with the full range from trot to pace...and pre-Sina, I said she had the best canter I've ever ridden: smooth, relaxed and balanced feeling from her first attempts under saddle. I think we need to look at canter problems as, at least, two types of problems. One issue would be the tends-to-pace horses, who are so lateral that they can't seem to get a three-beat canter without rushing into gallop. Then we have the horses who need help finding their balance with their canters - be they naturally klutzy, strung-out, insecure, have out-of-balance riders, whatever. The horses of this last type can often be helped to canter more nicely, whereas the pacey ones may simply not have a good canter in them. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 09:19:49AM +, Mic Rushen wrote:
> >you'd think a shorter horse would have less
> >"power" but he seems to have more power in a canter than my big horses
> >have in a gallop.
>
> It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow
> collected canter. Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though
> some 5gaited horses find it really hard.
i've ridden two five-gaited icelandics (stjarni and litfrida from the
vermont icelandic horse farms) who had darling slow canters.
both are way more available on the trail. litfrida liked to canter
uphill, and would do so in a very smooth, gentle, slow manner, and would
always drop to her walk two strides before i wanted to :)
stjarni i think had not been ridden in a ring much before i got him, and
when i first started riding him seemed to think that cantering in such a
tiny space was sheer madness ("but there's about to be something IN THE
WAY!") at any speed. he has a very long stride anyway, and his
preferred canter is not quick-strided, but it is fast and not all that
easy to turn, i think. but doing a lot of trail riding where he is one
of the faster-gaited horses, but needing to stay behind shower (the
ex-racehorse barnmate who likes to lead or race, but not follow) he's
developed this precious, silky little canter i call his "catch-up
canter". it is slow, and clearly designed to maximize his time at the
canter between my asking him to tolt or trot at the front of the (by
then usually trotting and a few cantering) rest of the group, and
getting close to shower, where of course he has to slow down again. it
feels very different from his ordinary canter, which is not more
energetic, just covers a lot more ground with each stride. now if only
i can convince him he can do that in our ringmaybe come spring.
i do not claim either photographic evidence or enough expertise in what
you mean by "nice slow collected canter" but i'd call both of these that.
--vicka
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:37:55 -0600, you wrote: >you'd think a shorter horse would have less >"power" but he seems to have more power in a canter than my big horses >have in a gallop. It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow collected canter. Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though some 5gaited horses find it really hard. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
>and someday i'll learn to attach things ;) > I would say she has rather a nice sloping shoulder. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Kolfi and Njorun
I seem to see pace in everything, but I'm still thinking pace. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Kolfi and Njorun
Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://iceryder.net/videogaitkolfinjorun.html > > Two little pacers. To my eyes, the white one comes close to a stepping pace at times.Man, that slow-mo feature is SURE nice to see the footfalls as well as pick-up and set down. What do you guys see? -- Renee M. in Michigan
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And doesnt mind others leaving him. not AT all. I really like that trait in a horse! Nancy
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On Feb 10, 2008 7:32 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > are you new at riding icelandics like me Nancy?? > > Oh my yes. If I used my hands and my feet, I could probably count up the > rides I have had on an Icelandic, and I've never ridden a truly well > trained Icelandic. well its just weird to me, none of my bigger horses have a canter that feels like a gallop.you'd think a shorter horse would have less "power" but he seems to have more power in a canter than my big horses have in a gallop. When he goes uphill in a canter it feels very very powerful like he is charging full blown. One time at a powerful canter like this he turned a corner and I almost flew off :) But thank goodness he is a horse that seems relieved and very willing to slow down. And doesnt mind others leaving him. not AT all. which is a problem if you have a horse going too fast and he wont slow cause other horses are cantering off. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
> are you new at riding icelandics like me Nancy?? Oh my yes. If I used my hands and my feet, I could probably count up the rides I have had on an Icelandic, and I've never ridden a truly well trained Icelandic. First, I rode Lina, out friend's therapy horse. She's a little doll, but really trained only to be led with a disabled young lady riding. Now I'm riding the 3/4 Icey Tosca, who has probably 30 rides or so. I haven't even tried to canter her. I did watch Bev ride her and Bev made the canter look very smooth, but she's a lovely rider, so it's hard to tell. Miss Tosca threw in a buck during that session, so I haven't been in a hurry to work on canter. We walked her four miles, the first half all up hill, last week. She's going to be a great little trail horse. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
the AQHA trot, the peanut roller thing so slow it is almost a limp, is called a "lope". Nope, the lope is their pitiful looking version of a canter. The jog is their pitiful trot... Actually though, the show jog has about as much to do with a "natural jog" as a natural running walk has to do with what we see at the BL shows. Karen Thomas, NC
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are you new at riding icelandics like me Nancy?? I keep expecting the trotting breed gaits to be the same and they arent! Tivar's canter is almost scarey, it feels like a powerful thundering gallop on a walking horse, definitely not a "rocking chair" canter. But I see nasi in the pasture and he has a sorta rocking chair canter. I would hate to be on tivar in a full blown gallop, which i rarely see him do, but he can do it :) He has a little prissy trot in the field and then a big floaty trot. I have no idea which one is the one I like to ride best. But I think it is the prissy one :) Yesterday he cracked me up. We came in very late from a long LONG ride, too long, but we stopped a lot and rested...he was very tired and probably sore. I know I was! and my husband was working on the tractor and got between Tivar and the hay roll and tivar just stood there, daring my husband to run him over I guess haha. My husband got down to move something, walked over to tivar and whispered in his ear (he told me later he said "will you MOVE teev?") and turned to get back on the tractor and tivar suddenly whirled and took off bucking and kicking. It was hilarious. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Feb 10, 2008 4:14 AM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Certainly nearly all five gaited (ie with pace) horses can do a nice > trot without suspension, the definition of jog, I believe (it's not > much recognised in the UK, being looked on as "faulty" in most breeds, > though it's much more comfortable to ride and presumably uses much > less energy). > > Mic > my teev has a wonderful jog like you describe, and a choppy trot too. I find the slower he is trotting the choppier which you would think it would be opposite! I wonder sometimes if the choppy trot is what some people call a hollow trot? Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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the AQHA trot, the peanut roller thing so slow it is almost a limp, is called a "lope". Many train it with a technique called "spur check" which is interesting, they spur the horse when it goes too fast. "check" its speed. Sometimes people will buy AQHA former show horses at auction and be baffled when they spur it to go and it starts this limping bizarre peanut roller lope. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:04:10 -0500, you wrote: >hm. what do you think of stjarni's shoulder from that pic, if i may >ask? Can you post it again, please? (or send it privately if you prefer) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
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> How is the "proper" trot in those horses you would classify as having > a good jog? A very VERY long time ago I rode a few Western horses. I don't know what they are doing today, but then these horses were asked to jog, to trot and to extend the trot. The good ones had lovely trots at each speed. I switched to riding English about 40 years ago and rode dressage horses that did a working trot, extended trot and collected trot. With an athletic well-balanced horse, you could sit all three. The collected trot is NOT a jog. Nancy
