Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On 14 May 2010 13:00, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: @Jinesh, I am understanding the evils of RTF more and more, hope we are working out the policy of not using RTF.Evevnthough I look like thallandammaavaa njan nannavillaha, Simple. Your first mail to Subject : Linux haters blog looks like this http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6861/screenshot1uz.png in gmail's terminal theme (which praveen a uses). READ. I can't still stop my laugh over seeing the term readability in that image! -- Hiran Venugopalan Usability / IxD Geek, Ubiqurio IRC : HFactor | Phone : 09496346709 | W : http://hiran.in -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
2010/5/17 ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.com: Thread is still open for discussion. I was merely expressing my views. As said elsewhere mod hats are on only for a short while and will be explicitly made clear when they are on. The thing is, the purpose here is not clear at all - what exactly is being achieved here ? Now there is evaluation and rating for threads too? We are having a dialogue here. The thread will stop when it falls to a monologue. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
Of course. As I said I was merely expressing my views. I didnt ask anyone to accept it, nor to abide by it. I think Rajeev mentioned Multipart emails. I do not know what that is, but from what he describes, its looks useful. -- aashik -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
2010/5/17 Ashik S aash...@gmail.com: Of course. As I said I was merely expressing my views. I didnt ask anyone to accept it, nor to abide by it. I think Rajeev mentioned Multipart emails. I do not know what that is, but from what he describes, its looks useful. http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt5/html-email-multi.htm -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Ashik S aash...@gmail.com wrote: Of course. As I said I was merely expressing my views. I didnt ask anyone to accept it, nor to abide by it. I think Rajeev mentioned Multipart emails. I do not know what that is, but from what he describes, its looks useful. Hi Aashik, The multipart email bit was an insider joke :D I really doubt non-techies can send multipart emails very easily ;) Regards Rajeev J Sebastian -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Ashik S aash...@gmail.com wrote: Of course. As I said I was merely expressing my views. I didnt ask anyone to accept it, nor to abide by it. I think Rajeev mentioned Multipart emails. I do not know what that is, but from what he describes, its looks useful. Hi Aashik, The multipart email bit was an insider joke :D I really doubt non-techies can send multipart emails very easily ;) Adoption of technology is a selling point. We know of Googles principles. If the technology is got something good, service providers are gonna implement it. May be we would say nops, only plaint text in here when it arrives in an easy way,as to be send by newbies. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Hiran Venugopalan hira...@gmail.comwrote: On 14 May 2010 13:00, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: @Jinesh, I am understanding the evils of RTF more and more, hope we are working out the policy of not using RTF.Evevnthough I look like thallandammaavaa njan nannavillaha, Simple. Your first mail to Subject : Linux haters blog looks like this http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6861/screenshot1uz.png in gmail's terminal theme (which praveen a uses). READ. I can't still stop my laugh over seeing the term readability in that image! :D terrible. But are you describing the part with green text over black background? And those portion with 'bold' certainly looks more readable in the image you send. @Hiran When we are trying to discuss about clarity, it would be better to send a better resolution snap shot.Or is it the graphics driver is not very functional in that system.I belive fonts are scalable as in SVG. or is it the problem with screenshot tool in gnome?please send something non-lossy compressed. -- Hiran Venugopalan Usability / IxD Geek, Ubiqurio IRC : HFactor | Phone : 09496346709 | W : http://hiran.in -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a string of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a literary paragraph] Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago, 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there. Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage: Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems. As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters in such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time and effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at special circumsatnces. Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short compromises readability of non-expert user . - On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:44 AM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Nettiquette guidelines: http://www.rfc1855.net/ On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:08 AM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.comwrote: Nishandh , the first link you posted, the one at khandalaya has been there in the group home page for sometime now :) if you do want to emphasize then try and use underscores like _this_ . Just make sure that things you post are in plaintext rather than HTML. A part of http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html submitted at our Mailing List home page: its a great read :D (warning: men like me also get poked :P) List Admins typically put their Admin hat on infrequently, but when they do, please listen. If an Admin decides something, it's final. Fini. The End. Tan-tan-taaraa. If you don't like it, start another list of your own, start an underground (or public) movement to get the admin overthrown, or hire a couple of goons to visit him/her at 4am and give him/her a few broken ones. Just do not dispute the decision on the list: it'll probably end up getting you banned for a nice long time. (unauthorized reproduction for the sole purpose of publicity of source, I think I would be bailed out for that reason). @ Admins, am afraid of Goons, can we settle with a Coke? ;) Oh Nops but Coke is environmental and health hazard, so..mmm...err...Packaged Drinking Water? -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a string of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a literary paragraph] Not sure where you learned this, but in most software pressing Enter starts a new paragraph, whereas Shift-Enter simply starts a new line. For e.g., OOo 3.1.1 has that behaviour. If you turn on Non-printing characters in the View menu, you can easily see the Pilcrow at the end of paragraphs and a Line Feed character at the end of forced line breaks. Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. You have been given some options to do this. You could for e.g., write a blog post with all the formatting you want, and post a link here to the list. Or you can exploit 21st century or in fact 20th century protocols, and include multipart email messages, with a plain text version, an RTF version and an HTML version. As far as you not using modern medical technology, well, you are endangering yourself and in some ways, endangering the rest of society as well. But you are free to damage your fellow man in any way you want. Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage: Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems. As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters in such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time and effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at special circumsatnces. Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short compromises readability of non-expert user . Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If it was to establish your identity, then hey, you've done it. Now, we all know who nishandh is and how much he has contributed to making this a sane mailing list, especially his contributions in formalizing something we've all known for years. Thank You! Regards Rajeev J Sebastian -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc *bold* /italics/ _underline_ -- this much stuff would be enough for a mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful. [snip] Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''. forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting. Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago, 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there. -- Srihari K -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
forgive me if i am wrong. isn't this discussion thread attempting to reinventing the wheel? the mailing list practices have been in place in last 2 last as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well. further standardizing mailing list practices is not the primary objective of this group. hence is there any significance in continuing this thread? better we put our energy in doing other constructive things in the area of open source Bipin On May 16, 7:03 pm, Srihari k harisult...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc *bold* /italics/ _underline_ -- this much stuff would be enough for a mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful. [snip] Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''. forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting. Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago, 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there. -- Srihari K -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
oops sorry i forgot to do a spell check before posting. please read the line the mailing list practices have been in place in last 2 last as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well as the mailing list practices have been in place for last 2 decades as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well. won't happen again Bipin On May 16, 7:54 pm, bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com wrote: forgive me if i am wrong. isn't this discussion thread attempting to reinventing the wheel? the mailing list practices have been in place in last 2 last as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well. further standardizing mailing list practices is not the primary objective of this group. hence is there any significance in continuing this thread? better we put our energy in doing other constructive things in the area of open source Bipin On May 16, 7:03 pm, Srihari k harisult...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc *bold* /italics/ _underline_ -- this much stuff would be enough for a mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful. [snip] Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''. forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting. Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago, 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there. -- Srihari K -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
Bipin is right. Just follow what is there at khandalaya.org . I dont think we need anything extra here. On May 16, 2010 8:30 PM, bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com wrote: oops sorry i forgot to do a spell check before posting. please read the line the mailing list practices have been in place in last 2 last as far as i know and those rule hold... well as the mailing list practices have been in place for last 2 decades as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well. won't happen again Bipin On May 16, 7:54 pm, bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com wrote: forgive me if i am wrong. isn't this ... -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:09 PM, ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.com wrote: Bipin is right. Just follow what is there at khandalaya.org . I dont think we need anything extra here. +1 http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html is enough. It was there long before. -- Srihari -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
@Rajiv and anybody sharing similiar thoughts: What I am trying to accomplish: To increase user friendliness, as to increase user base. I strongly belive, If any piece of software is to be supported by Hardware vendors, the best way is to increase its market share(user base). And what I am attempting is not to alter the norms of a developer mailing list for stupid reasons. I am thinking of ways which would extend this ML to the 'ignorant' and 'idiot' user, because its a 'selling point'. Technology, running as proof of concept will not push the hardware vendors to write software for it, nor release SDKs or code. I am attempting to consolidate on what I could do based on my (low) capabilities, and which I saw nobody cared much (offcourse, as they could accomplish better things), and what I enjoy doing. I never claimed it the biggest contribution to this list. You may consider it, curse it, or continue at your work based on personal perception of society. I am doing a 'sweepers' job here. And I expect this kind of replies from our society, which hates the 'low class' jobs, nor the low class job men living a respected life. You may read about how 'closed groups' destroy itself. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Srihari k harisult...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:09 PM, ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.com wrote: Bipin is right. Just follow what is there at khandalaya.org . I dont think we need anything extra here. +1 http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html is enough. It was there long before. -- Srihari -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a string of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a literary paragraph] Not sure where you learned this, but in most software pressing Enter starts a new paragraph, whereas Shift-Enter simply starts a new line. For e.g., OOo 3.1.1 has that behaviour. If you turn on Non-printing characters in the View menu, you can easily see the Pilcrow at the end of paragraphs and a Line Feed character at the end of forced line breaks. @ Rajiv what did you correct? In the last sentance, I overlooked adding 'make up' instead of 'make' . Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. You have been given some options to do this. You could for e.g., write a blog post with all the formatting you want, and post a link here to the list. Or you can exploit 21st century or in fact 20th century protocols, and include multipart email messages, with a plain text version, an RTF version and an HTML version. As far as you not using modern medical technology, well, you are endangering yourself and in some ways, endangering the rest of society as well. But you are free to damage your fellow man in any way you want. Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage: Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems. As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters in such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time and effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at special circumsatnces. Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short compromises readability of non-expert user . Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If it was to establish your identity, then hey, you've done it. Now, we all know who nishandh is and how much he has contributed to making this a sane mailing list, especially his contributions in formalizing something we've all known for years. Thank You! Regards Rajeev J Sebastian -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Srihari k harisult...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc *bold* /italics/ _underline_ -- this much stuff would be enough for a mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful. :) Yeah, that is what am speaking about. Attitude that a Mailing List need not be colorful. please consider the population. ' there has been opinion that *bold* /italics/ _underline_ is irritating. so I have to continue with it. [snip] Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''. forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting. All correct is expressed as OK and not 'ok' and i think unless its a file extension, its RTF and HTML Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago, 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there. -- Srihari K -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a string of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a literary paragraph] Not sure where you learned this, but in most software pressing Enter starts a new paragraph, whereas Shift-Enter simply starts a new line. For e.g., OOo 3.1.1 has that behaviour. If you turn on Non-printing characters in the View menu, you can easily see the Pilcrow at the end of paragraphs and a Line Feed character at the end of forced line breaks. Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. You have been given some options to do this. You could for e.g., write a blog post with all the formatting you want, and post a link here to the list. Or you can exploit 21st century or in fact 20th century protocols, and include multipart email messages, with a plain text version, an RTF version and an HTML version. @Rajiv You are saying you never read or retain a comprehension about the full thread? atleast before answering? Messages which senses the accessing the module was a suggestion. Let full message remain at mail service provider, and compliant form be send to the accessing system, whether it is mobile or browser or CLI. As far as you not using modern medical technology, well, you are endangering yourself and in some ways, endangering the rest of society as well. But you are free to damage your fellow man in any way you want. But you are free to damage your fellow man is exactly the expected reply. Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage: Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems. As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters in such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time and effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at special circumsatnces. Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short compromises readability of non-expert user . Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If it was to establish your identity, then hey, you've done it. Now, we all know who nishandh is and how much he has contributed to making this a sane mailing list, especially his contributions in formalizing something we've all known for years. Thank You! Regards Rajeev J Sebastian -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Srihari k harisult...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: Why differential emphasis of text? : (these are known facts, but needs to be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts): When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men. Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text: make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight etc *bold* /italics/ _underline_ -- this much stuff would be enough for a mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful. [snip] Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it. DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''. @think about the context.Is your fone compliant with internet protocols? forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting. Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago, 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there. -- Srihari K -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
2010/5/16 bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com: forgive me if i am wrong. isn't this discussion thread attempting to reinventing the wheel? the mailing list practices have been in place in last 2 last as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well. further standardizing mailing list practices is not the primary objective of this group. hence is there any significance in continuing this thread? better we put our energy in doing other constructive things in the area of open source Bipin, As long as people respond, a thread will continue. I don't think anyone needs to forcefully stop a thread as long as people are responding and the thread is on topic (or clearly marked off topic). People can skip threads looking at subjects (meaningful subjects are a pre condition to that). I'm getting head ache reading some of the mails in this thread, but may be because it is too late in the night. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
2010/5/16 ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.com: I dont think we need anything extra here. mod seems to be in mood :) Should we arbitrarily limit this list? I feel much more comfortable with the mood of the other mod. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
Thread is still open for discussion. I was merely expressing my views. As said elsewhere mod hats are on only for a short while and will be explicitly made clear when they are on. The thing is, the purpose here is not clear at all - what exactly is being achieved here ? On May 17, 2010 3:46 AM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/16 ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.com: I dont think we need anything extra here. mod seems to be in mood :) Should we arbitrarily limit this list? I feel much more comfortable with the mood of the other mod. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a... Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message b... -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
i am just asking what this thread is attempting to accomplish? to establish mailing list rules when there good set of rules already existing in place? what's the point in that? On May 17, 3:12 am, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/16 bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com: forgive me if i am wrong. isn't this discussion thread attempting to reinventing the wheel? the mailing list practices have been in place in last 2 last as far as i know and those rule hold still true in todays environment as well. further standardizing mailing list practices is not the primary objective of this group. hence is there any significance in continuing this thread? better we put our energy in doing other constructive things in the area of open source Bipin, As long as people respond, a thread will continue. I don't think anyone needs to forcefully stop a thread as long as people are responding and the thread is on topic (or clearly marked off topic). People can skip threads looking at subjects (meaningful subjects are a pre condition to that). I'm getting head ache reading some of the mails in this thread, but may be because it is too late in the night. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.com wrote: Nishandh , the first link you posted, the one at khandalaya has been there in the group home page for sometime now :) if you do want to emphasize then try and use underscores like _this_ . Just make sure that things you post are in plaintext rather than HTML. A part of http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html submitted at our Mailing List home page: its a great read :D (warning: men like me also get poked :P) List Admins typically put their Admin hat on infrequently, but when they do, please listen. If an Admin decides something, it's final. Fini. The End. Tan-tan-taaraa. If you don't like it, start another list of your own, start an underground (or public) movement to get the admin overthrown, or hire a couple of goons to visit him/her at 4am and give him/her a few broken ones. Just do not dispute the decision on the list: it'll probably end up getting you banned for a nice long time. (unauthorized reproduction for the sole purpose of publicity of source, I think I would be bailed out for that reason). @ Admins, am afraid of Goons, can we settle with a Coke? ;) Oh Nops but Coke is environmental and health hazard, so..mmm...err...Packaged Drinking Water? -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
Nettiquette guidelines: http://www.rfc1855.net/ On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:08 AM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ashik salahudeen aash...@gmail.comwrote: Nishandh , the first link you posted, the one at khandalaya has been there in the group home page for sometime now :) if you do want to emphasize then try and use underscores like _this_ . Just make sure that things you post are in plaintext rather than HTML. A part of http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html submitted at our Mailing List home page: its a great read :D (warning: men like me also get poked :P) List Admins typically put their Admin hat on infrequently, but when they do, please listen. If an Admin decides something, it's final. Fini. The End. Tan-tan-taaraa. If you don't like it, start another list of your own, start an underground (or public) movement to get the admin overthrown, or hire a couple of goons to visit him/her at 4am and give him/her a few broken ones. Just do not dispute the decision on the list: it'll probably end up getting you banned for a nice long time. (unauthorized reproduction for the sole purpose of publicity of source, I think I would be bailed out for that reason). @ Admins, am afraid of Goons, can we settle with a Coke? ;) Oh Nops but Coke is environmental and health hazard, so..mmm...err...Packaged Drinking Water? -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/13 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: Nobody should let another man decide wat he should do. Why shud he follow the ML best prctices?** its some other's decision!. We are dealing with democracy. Make complicate. GAME. See, I do RTF when i am madly feeling to express that way, i cant help sometimes.I feel I am compromising readability You are expecting people to reply to you in a mailing list. If you don't even care to show basic courtesy, why should anyone respond to you? ** You say, because I enter the mailing list, i am supposed to follow ALL of the draft policies? I am forced to live in it, because it is the only nation. Am adopting NON COOPERATION . I think the lines and arrow You are welcome, but you will also get non-cooperation in return. I don't know how long I will go on responding to you, but when I get fed of your non-cooperation, I would start ignoring you. Everyone's tolerance level vary, so you may never get a response, when someone would have responded to you otherwise. A mailing list is not a court room to file your complaints, but a forum to find solutions together, and there needs to be a give an take. yes you are right, and what i meant was not entirely against the list, only against wat i strongly belive is wrong.I also said i am liable to consequential responses. marks used to differentiate conversation are not enough.But i cant ask everybody to spend time on differential emphasis on parts of text. looking for a gmail LAB item which can toggle such a feature on and off. anybody aware of such a thing? oops...it surely looks like shouting. :( I was not very aware of it then, at that moment. well am still looking for it, would be a great help if somebody could share... Shouting doesn't help much when you are expecting someone to respond to you. If you are not comfortable with English, മലയാളത്തില് കൂടുതല് ഭംഗിയായും ശക്തമായും വിഷയം അവതരിപ്പിയ്ക്കാമെങ്കില് മലയാളത്തിലെഴുതൂ. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
@nishandh hi, I dont know whether you understand the problem or not. Most of the times its ok for me since i am using either firefox or evolution to read my mails. But occasionally i will end up having only CLI(i think many others around here too), but that doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to go through e mails, answer or reply queries, or search for solutions to fix problems. I hope you can understand that. It is not always a choice for me to have a GUI. Our campus mail server gui client is slow many times(so is gmail) which forces me to use CLI. Regards Jinesh K J -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
@Jinesh, I am understanding the evils of RTF more and more, hope we are working out the policy of not using RTF.Evevnthough I look like thallandammaavaa njan nannavillaha, And some had to spend a little more time to make it clear for me, as i was not aware of most of these possible problems.thankful. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM, jinesh kj jines...@gmail.com wrote: @nishandh hi, I dont know whether you understand the problem or not. Most of the times its ok for me since i am using either firefox or evolution to read my mails. But occasionally i will end up having only CLI(i think many others around here too), but that doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to go through e mails, answer or reply queries, or search for solutions to fix problems. I hope you can understand that. It is not always a choice for me to have a GUI. Our campus mail server gui client is slow many times(so is gmail) which forces me to use CLI. I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI of web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased to get cleared: if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text part and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI details embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be discarded by the CLI email client? Regards Jinesh K J -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
hi, On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI of web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased to get cleared: if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text part and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI details embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be discarded by the CLI email client? The problem is it will take the rich part(images wont come, it will be shown as additional attachment) and will try to render on its own. I dont know whether all mail clients are like this. But the one i am using is like this. Which finally end up quite difficult to read. Yeah, i was talking about browser front end. regards Jinesh K J -- My Feelings,Expressions- http://logbookofanobserver.blogspot.com My scribblings- http://logbookofanobserver.wordpress.com SMC : My computer, My language http://smc.org.in സ്വതന്ത്ര മലയാളം കമ്പ്യൂട്ടിങ്ങ്, എന്റെ കമ്പ്യൂട്ടറിന് എന്റെ ഭാഷ -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
Hi ..
The following references have been put forward by various contributors to
this mailing list, as a reference to Good practices in communities.
[We give thrust to internet based community activity. Any guidelines for
field activity and direct user interaction will not be disregarded]
http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html {suggested by Bipin Kumar}
http://mashable.com/2009/12/21/must-read-ebooks/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed:+Mashable+(Mashable)
{Ullas
DL}
http://artofcommunityonline.org/ {Alan Alan}
According to the discussion,
1) RTF should not be used in Mailing list
2) Images should not be embedded, either links should be provided or
attached
3) Language should be formal.
Please comment any additional directions / modifications / elaboration
There was a link provided to guideline (a beautiful presentation possibly in
PDF) somebody posted, associated with translation of manuals into Malayalam.
It had a consolidation of good language practice. I couldnt find it..please
post it here if somebody could fetch it...
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, jinesh kj jines...@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote:
I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI
of
web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased to get
cleared:
if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of
messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text part
and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI
details
embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be
discarded by the CLI email client?
The problem is it will take the rich part(images wont come, it will be
shown as additional attachment) and will try to render on its own. I
dont know whether all mail clients are like this. But the one i am
using is like this. Which finally end up quite difficult to read.
Yeah, i was talking about browser front end.
regards
Jinesh K J
--
My Feelings,Expressions-
http://logbookofanobserver.blogspot.com
My scribblings-
http://logbookofanobserver.wordpress.com
SMC : My computer, My language http://smc.org.in
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
4) use the Names of persons, as it is provided by the person.
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:56 AM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi ..
The following references have been put forward by various contributors to
this mailing list, as a reference to Good practices in communities.
[We give thrust to internet based community activity. Any guidelines for
field activity and direct user interaction will not be disregarded]
http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html {suggested by Bipin Kumar}
http://mashable.com/2009/12/21/must-read-ebooks/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed:+Mashable+(Mashable)
{Ullas
DL}
http://artofcommunityonline.org/ {Alan Alan}
According to the discussion,
1) RTF should not be used in Mailing list
2) Images should not be embedded, either links should be provided or
attached
3) Language should be formal.
Please comment any additional directions / modifications / elaboration
There was a link provided to guideline (a beautiful presentation possibly
in PDF) somebody posted, associated with translation of manuals into
Malayalam. It had a consolidation of good language practice. I couldnt find
it..please post it here if somebody could fetch it...
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, jinesh kj jines...@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote:
I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI
of
web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased to get
cleared:
if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of
messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text
part
and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI
details
embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be
discarded by the CLI email client?
The problem is it will take the rich part(images wont come, it will be
shown as additional attachment) and will try to render on its own. I
dont know whether all mail clients are like this. But the one i am
using is like this. Which finally end up quite difficult to read.
Yeah, i was talking about browser front end.
regards
Jinesh K J
--
My Feelings,Expressions-
http://logbookofanobserver.blogspot.com
My scribblings-
http://logbookofanobserver.wordpress.com
SMC : My computer, My language http://smc.org.in
സ്വതന്ത്ര മലയാളം കമ്പ്യൂട്ടിങ്ങ്, എന്റെ കമ്പ്യൂട്ടറിന് എന്റെ ഭാഷ
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On 14 May 2010 12:35, jinesh kj jines...@gmail.com wrote: @nishandh hi, I dont know whether you understand the problem or not. Most of the times its ok for me since i am using either firefox or evolution to read my mails. But occasionally i will end up having only CLI(i think many others around here too), but that doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to go through e mails, answer or reply queries, or search for solutions to fix problems. Not just CLI. 1. People with dark gmail themes. (pravi.a, his first mail should be in the screenshot, i am sure, it looks _awesome_ in your theme) 2. People who uses clients, with dark themes. 3. And who uses mobile browsers. (I accidentally had to. painful in mobile opera, it shows text in size 28px! ) I am not reading my text book before examination, to focus only on important parts. The solution is simple, use plain text. Italics and bold also are irritating. -- Hiran Venugopalan Usability / IxD Geek, Ubiqurio IRC : HFactor | Phone : 09496346709 | W : http://hiran.in -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/13 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: @ praveen, that rendering of text and background is not the exact one i made or meant . I made a pale yellow distinguition for two parts of conversation in a white background. Somebody called me and said the picture tube monitors are already yellowish, so i tried light blue differentiation between 1st and That is exactly the problem with rich text formatting. It won't be the same as you think it is going to be. Why would I let you decide what theme I chose? Yeah, nobody can force others. I think opting for 'plain text' in gmail solves the problem. Enjoying / tolerating common practices would make things easy. communication is most effective, when the person at both end follows the same protocol. There are schools with strict dress codes, and there are those without. i think we go in uniforms, even though we are adults, eventhough we are f*ree as in freedom. am fed up of uniforms (to some extent).* * * Nobody should let another man decide wat he should do. Why shud he follow the ML best prctices?** its some other's decision!. We are dealing with democracy. Make complicate. GAME. See, I do RTF when i am madly feeling to express that way, i cant help sometimes.I feel I am compromising readability for minority practices. I am liable to punishment from head masters of the school though. Let history decide headmasters where positive or not. ** You say, because I enter the mailing list, i am supposed to follow ALL of the draft policies? I am forced to live in it, because it is the only nation. Am adopting NON COOPERATION . I think the lines and arrow marks used to differentiate conversation are not enough.But i cant ask everybody to spend time on differential emphasis on parts of text. looking for a gmail LAB item which can toggle such a feature on and off. anybody aware of such a thing? 2nd person's opinions. Well I am quite curious how colourfull web pages would get rendered with that theme. It is email application, I expect text not colorful web pages. You browse web, but you read email. If still want to make it colorful with images and all, blog about it and post a link. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
2010/5/13 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: Nobody should let another man decide wat he should do. Why shud he follow the ML best prctices?** its some other's decision!. We are dealing with democracy. Make complicate. GAME. See, I do RTF when i am madly feeling to express that way, i cant help sometimes.I feel I am compromising readability You are expecting people to reply to you in a mailing list. If you don't even care to show basic courtesy, why should anyone respond to you? ** You say, because I enter the mailing list, i am supposed to follow ALL of the draft policies? I am forced to live in it, because it is the only nation. Am adopting NON COOPERATION . I think the lines and arrow You are welcome, but you will also get non-cooperation in return. I don't know how long I will go on responding to you, but when I get fed of your non-cooperation, I would start ignoring you. Everyone's tolerance level vary, so you may never get a response, when someone would have responded to you otherwise. A mailing list is not a court room to file your complaints, but a forum to find solutions together, and there needs to be a give an take. marks used to differentiate conversation are not enough.But i cant ask everybody to spend time on differential emphasis on parts of text. looking for a gmail LAB item which can toggle such a feature on and off. anybody aware of such a thing? Shouting doesn't help much when you are expecting someone to respond to you. If you are not comfortable with English, മലയാളത്തില് കൂടുതല് ഭംഗിയായും ശക്തമായും വിഷയം അവതരിപ്പിയ്ക്കാമെങ്കില് മലയാളത്തിലെഴുതൂ. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
wow that formatting was one hell of a overkill On May 12, 11:04 pm, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/12 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: This is just a repetition of the above, with some high lighting. pardon for using RTF, but I would like to get opinion on whether this seems offensive. I thought we are already through this. Hell YES, it is offensive. Try reading your mail in this screenshot. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en rtf.png 216KViewDownload -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
@ Bipinkumar, Praveen, yeah! who the hell did that :P hehehe. he wont do that again, provided he get some reponses from those using other colour themes. I have a perception that majority users use dark text on light background.(wrong?) @ praveen, that rendering of text and background is not the exact one i made or meant . I made a pale yellow distinguition for two parts of conversation in a white background. Somebody called me and said the picture tube monitors are already yellowish, so i tried light blue differentiation between 1st and 2nd person's opinions. Well I am quite curious how colourfull web pages would get rendered with that theme. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:51 AM, bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com wrote: wow that formatting was one hell of a overkill On May 12, 11:04 pm, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/12 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: This is just a repetition of the above, with some high lighting. pardon for using RTF, but I would like to get opinion on whether this seems offensive. I thought we are already through this. Hell YES, it is offensive. Try reading your mail in this screenshot. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp:// groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en rtf.png 216KViewDownload -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #//# Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
hi it would useful if people read the mailing list practices posted on the group' s homepage. http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html it would make everyone's life better. further it is my understanding that once a person sign up for a group then its his/her onus to respect the the rules/guidlines of the group(which obviously includes not posting HTML formatted message, as far as my understanding of those guidelines goes). however if person has any problems with those guidelines then he/she shouldn't sign up in the first place. thanks bipin On May 13, 1:32 am, nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com wrote: @ Bipinkumar, Praveen, yeah! who the hell did that :P hehehe. he wont do that again, provided he get some reponses from those using other colour themes. I have a perception that majority users use dark text on light background.(wrong?) @ praveen, that rendering of text and background is not the exact one i made or meant . I made a pale yellow distinguition for two parts of conversation in a white background. Somebody called me and said the picture tube monitors are already yellowish, so i tried light blue differentiation between 1st and 2nd person's opinions. Well I am quite curious how colourfull web pages would get rendered with that theme. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:51 AM, bipin kumar bipin...@gmail.com wrote: wow that formatting was one hell of a overkill On May 12, 11:04 pm, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/12 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: This is just a repetition of the above, with some high lighting. pardon for using RTF, but I would like to get opinion on whether this seems offensive. I thought we are already through this. Hell YES, it is offensive. Try reading your mail in this screenshot. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp:// groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en rtf.png 216KViewDownload -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- #// # Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication Leonardo da Vinci #// # -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unpluggedhttp://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)
2010/5/13 nishandh M pro.n...@gmail.com: @ praveen, that rendering of text and background is not the exact one i made or meant . I made a pale yellow distinguition for two parts of conversation in a white background. Somebody called me and said the picture tube monitors are already yellowish, so i tried light blue differentiation between 1st and That is exactly the problem with rich text formatting. It won't be the same as you think it is going to be. Why would I let you decide what theme I chose? 2nd person's opinions. Well I am quite curious how colourfull web pages would get rendered with that theme. It is email application, I expect text not colorful web pages. You browse web, but you read email. If still want to make it colorful with images and all, blog about it and post a link. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- Freedom is the only law. Freedom Unplugged http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ilug-tvm group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
