Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, I joined the ILUGC mailing list recently. This is my first email to ILUGC. Since we are on the topic of syllabus, let me mention one important point that I have not seen mentioned so far in engineering circles. I have seen the syllabus of many engineering colleges that come under Anna University, and in all of them, I see that Computer Science subjects are not included in the syllabus. In other words, engineering colleges don't teach Computer Science and Engineering, as they claim to, but only teach Computer Engineering. While in other engineering disciplines, as far as I am aware, the basic science needed is taught, starting from schools, the same is sadly not the case in Computer Science. Of course, the subject, theory of computation alone is being included as one of the subjects taught in B.E(this was not the case in the colleges where I did my B.E. and M.E., but it seems things have improved, though only slightly), but Theory of Computation alone is not Computer Science. It is just the tip of the iceberg. Theory of Computation itself needs to be imparted as a two-semester course as there is too much material that cannot be covered in one semester. But that, as far as I know, is not the case. Then there are other courses such as Logic, Algebraic Automata theory, Complexity theory, Programming Language Concepts(stuff such as explaining the roots of programming languages, the different paradigms and formalisms that govern the architecture of various programming languages) that form what is generally known as Computer Science. Learning Computer Engineering without learning Computer Science is like learning, say, Mechanical Engineering without knowing/understanding Newton's laws of motion. I have seen students struggle through subjects such as Compiler Design since they had no idea of the essence behind formalisms such as Regular languages, Context-free languages etc, as a consequence of which Compiler Design has come to be considered as a very tough subject. Of course, I am not saying that Compiler Design is very easy to learn, but it can be made easier than it is now by making the students aware of the theoretical concepts behind the subject first. Algorithms is another example where Complexity theory is a pre-requisite. Logic is a pre-requisite for Artificial Intelligence. And learning any programming language is incomplete without a knowledge of the concepts behind it. While, as Shakthi Kannan said, syllabus is only a guideline, syllabus should also play a part in making computer science and engineering students aware of the various branches of Computer Science and the truth that Computer Science and Engineering is not all about programming design/implementation and software engineering, but that a whole lot of scientific principles go into it needs to be conveyed to all Computer Science and Engineering students in an effective manner. Vinod. 2009/8/8 Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com Hi, --- On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:39 AM, pavithranpavithra...@gmail.com wrote: | I am not sure if we could say that the syllabus is ok though I agree | that a student could definitely make a lot of the current syllabus. \-- That is where most people have the wrong conception, IMO. A syllabus is only a guideline, and a student is expected to venture into gaining more knowledge beyond what is prescribed, and this is the single most important aspect that a student must fulfill in education. Degree, job, awards, friendships are all side-effects. --- | It | definitely needs to be revised and improved according to industry | changes and should be vendor neutral \-- That is contradictory. One should always follow free/open standards. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On 7/8/09, Arulalan T tarula...@gmail.com wrote: Hi to all, I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other Languages. I just wanted to share, that a team of final year students from Mahendra engg college had done their final year projects in RoR. They created a project in rubyforge, for this, and uploaded their files in the SVN. http://rubyforge.org/projects/eduerp/ They too had faced the same kind of issue, and after some level of patient explanation, their HOD accepted it. The project was NOT a hi-fi one, but just an attempt to develop a web-based ERP software for their college. They could only develop a basic prototype version, and submitted it for their final year project. The advantage they had over others is that, they were able to explain in detail about RoR, their project, how they did it, and other technology they used like SVN etc, while other students who purchased could not do so. So, considering the immense support from this ILUGC group, i feel, you should be able to persuade your HOD to allow you. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM, senthilraja P technocr...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/8/09, Arulalan T tarula...@gmail.com wrote: Hi to all, So, considering the immense support from this ILUGC group, i feel, you should be able to persuade your HOD to allow you. I also faced similar situation for a mini-project , they gave me a list of topic , all were quite old ideas like library management, reservation system, etc, But I was allowed to do project in FOSS. Not all the lecturer may know about FOSS and stuff. but they should not think that students are trying to cheat them with project which they don't know to evaluate. My lecturers encouraged me. but the external lecturer doubted me. I made a boot loader which looks like grub and my friend made LTSP. The external doubted that both the projects are looking same. since I also used floppy disk to load my boot loader. The claim was You both put the floppy and computer boots in Linux whats the difference?. The time given for explanation was not enough for us to explain the difference anyway i managed finally. so the students have to show their interest and their activeness to promote FOSS in their respective college, in their beginning semester, at least HODs and lecturers will know your interest first and will be supportive in these kind of situations. Bye, Krishna. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Srinivasan Sundararajan srini...@gmail.com wrote: hi all: while there is considerable resistance from HoDs and other staff members re FOSS projects, there have been a number of projects done in the past three years. I have been requesting the students / staff to give me brief details, but the response has been sparse and sporadic. i think it is very likely that most of these students (especially from Anna Univ affiliated colleges) would be members of this list. if they could gather info from them, we could use the info for furthering the cause of FOSS projects in colleges. to start with, the student(s) could send the following info: a) title of the project b) student info -- name, reg no, branch, year c) foss tool(s) used d) brief abstract status -- completed / partial / simulated ... e) weblinks -- if they have uploaded the details the info could be sent to nrcfoss at au-kbc dot in and/or to my office id srinivasan at cdac dot in. i can work along with bharati and colleagues at au-kbc colleagues to get the info collated and sorted. am taking this au-kbc route, since this could part of the nrcfoss activity. the summary info could be highlighted thru nrcfoss and ilug-c portals. we could follow this up with (a) gettting more info about the project work, check and arrange for demo of successful projects (b) interacting with them to work out the strategy for making it easier to do foss projects -- including getting the colleges to agree, etc. if possible, we could have a demo on select projects on the software freedom day, may even give prizes for the top three or so ; more importantly, announce that FOSS projects to be done during 2009-10 even sem will get support from us ; ILUG-C in collaboration with NRCFOSS will evaluate the projects ; selected ones will be put on demo (in may/june 2010?) and prizes / certificates offered from nrcfoss. While ILUG-C could focus on TN colleges, other groups could get this going in their respective states. Srinivasan. Please do not top post. -- A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
hi all: while there is considerable resistance from HoDs and other staff members re FOSS projects, there have been a number of projects done in the past three years. I have been requesting the students / staff to give me brief details, but the response has been sparse and sporadic. i think it is very likely that most of these students (especially from Anna Univ affiliated colleges) would be members of this list. if they could gather info from them, we could use the info for furthering the cause of FOSS projects in colleges. to start with, the student(s) could send the following info: a) title of the project b) student info -- name, reg no, branch, year c) foss tool(s) used d) brief abstract status -- completed / partial / simulated ... e) weblinks -- if they have uploaded the details the info could be sent to nrcfoss at au-kbc dot in and/or to my office id srinivasan at cdac dot in. i can work along with bharati and colleagues at au-kbc colleagues to get the info collated and sorted. am taking this au-kbc route, since this could part of the nrcfoss activity. the summary info could be highlighted thru nrcfoss and ilug-c portals. we could follow this up with (a) gettting more info about the project work, check and arrange for demo of successful projects (b) interacting with them to work out the strategy for making it easier to do foss projects -- including getting the colleges to agree, etc. if possible, we could have a demo on select projects on the software freedom day, may even give prizes for the top three or so ; more importantly, announce that FOSS projects to be done during 2009-10 even sem will get support from us ; ILUG-C in collaboration with NRCFOSS will evaluate the projects ; selected ones will be put on demo (in may/june 2010?) and prizes / certificates offered from nrcfoss. While ILUG-C could focus on TN colleges, other groups could get this going in their respective states. Srinivasan. On 8/7/09, senthilraja P technocr...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/8/09, Arulalan T tarula...@gmail.com wrote: Hi to all, I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other Languages. I just wanted to share, that a team of final year students from Mahendra engg college had done their final year projects in RoR. They created a project in rubyforge, for this, and uploaded their files in the SVN. http://rubyforge.org/projects/eduerp/ They too had faced the same kind of issue, and after some level of patient explanation, their HOD accepted it. The project was NOT a hi-fi one, but just an attempt to develop a web-based ERP software for their college. They could only develop a basic prototype version, and submitted it for their final year project. The advantage they had over others is that, they were able to explain in detail about RoR, their project, how they did it, and other technology they used like SVN etc, while other students who purchased could not do so. So, considering the immense support from this ILUGC group, i feel, you should be able to persuade your HOD to allow you. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com: Please do not top post. Please don't bottom post :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Trimming_and_reformatting Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com: I should have trimmed the long message :P.Any way thanks for pointing it. You again didn't do it right . Your message has a symbol which suggests that its a quote and there is no message LOL Anyways I am having fun nitpicking .. Thanks :) Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 senthilraja P technocr...@gmail.com: I just wanted to share, that a team of final year students from Mahendra engg college had done their final year projects in RoR. They created a project in rubyforge, for this, and uploaded their files in the SVN. http://rubyforge.org/projects/eduerp/ Kudo's to the Mahendra engg college students . We need more such cases to take the foss movement forward :) Do you have a small document ( odt or pdf ) which could explain how they progressed from stages and the issues they faced so that we could study them . A project blog would also be helpful . They too had faced the same kind of issue, and after some level of patient explanation, their HOD accepted it. This is kind of common but what we need to be happy and learn from them that they were *able* to convince the head which is quite an accomplishment ( in my opinion ) Well done guys .. keep contributing upstream code :) Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 Krishna mail2kr...@gmail.com: I also faced similar situation for a mini-project , they gave me a list of topic , all were quite old ideas like library management, reservation system, etc, But I was allowed to do project in FOSS. Not all the lecturer may know about FOSS and stuff. but they should not think that students are trying to cheat them with project which they don't know to evaluate. This is quite an issue with some engineering colleges I heard of . I think the best solution for them is to tie up / relate to NRCFOSS node at AU-KBC which can help in judging the quality of the product . My lecturers encouraged me. but the external lecturer doubted me. I made a boot loader which looks like grub and my friend made LTSP. The external doubted that both the projects are looking same. since I also used floppy disk to load my boot loader. The claim was You both put the floppy and computer boots in Linux whats the difference?. The time given for explanation was not enough for us to explain the difference anyway i managed finally. Cool :) so the students have to show their interest and their activeness to promote FOSS in their respective college, in their beginning semester, at least HODs and lecturers will know your interest first and will be supportive in these kind of situations. It need not be first year because after 12th the student may not be in FOSS. The most *ideal* situation would be the college already using FOSS electives 1 and 2 . I just *wish* that they are made compulsory and with a lab/project course associated with it. Yeah it's always good to keep nice ties and personal relations with your department senior lecturers with the HOD because it make *lot* of difference in support you get during projects . Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 Srinivasan Sundararajan srini...@gmail.com: hi all: while there is considerable resistance from HoDs and other staff members re FOSS projects, there have been a number of projects done in the past three years. I have been requesting the students / staff to give me brief details, but the response has been sparse and sporadic. I agree that the resistance from the faculty has always been their for anything new which also includes FOSS and FOSS electives. But how do we resolve this issue regarding foss projects ? *would a compulsory faculty training help solve this issue ? *How about going the top-down approach via a declaration from Anna University ? *Change in the project specification in the universities *Including a FOSS elective which involves just coding a project be it python,php ,ROR or even bash programming *Organising small workshops in colleges which involves hacking into FOSS code ( for students ) And many more. This actually is a serious and I also think we will be hearing more from the students as many people keep on hearing about linux,FOSS,ILUGC NRCFOSS . Students will be asking more and more such queries. There needs to be a framework in place by either NRCFOSS or ILUGC or both which could address such issues . i think it is very likely that most of these students (especially from Anna Univ affiliated colleges) would be members of this list. if they could gather info from them, we could use the info for furthering the cause of FOSS projects in colleges. Yes . @ Students : Please give more information . only if you come forward and tell us than people here could help . Do feel free to discuss anything ( related to FOSS ) here . Also mention the difficulties you face we all would be more than glad to help . if possible, we could have a demo on select projects on the software freedom day, may even give prizes for the top three or so ; more importantly, announce that FOSS projects to be done during 2009-10 even sem will get support from us ; ILUG-C in collaboration with NRCFOSS will evaluate the projects ; selected ones will be put on demo (in may/june 2010?) and prizes / certificates offered from nrcfoss. Yes this is good PR . It will help drive some info on FOSS into the heads of CS department faculty who have been resisiting change. ( A prize/certificate really makes a difference in HOD minds .. ( personal experience :D ) ) While ILUG-C could focus on TN colleges, other groups could get this going in their respective states. The Swecha project from Free Software Foundation AP chapter has been encouraging and also organised a Industrial session /program/project called E-Swecha distro which is aimed created for and by Engineering students . Their website [1] has some information . There is a forum[2] where many students discussed their issues with GNU/Linux etc . There is a wiki page [3] which discusses the packaging of the distro . 1 .http://eswecha.swecha.org/ 2 .http://eswecha.swecha.org/forums/ 3. http://eswecha.swecha.org/wiki/index.php?title=CSE/IT Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On 8/7/09, Srinivasan Sundararajan srini...@gmail.com wrote: hi all: if possible, we could have a demo on select projects on the software freedom day, may even give prizes for the top three or so ; more importantly, announce that FOSS projects to be done during 2009-10 even sem will get support from us ; ILUG-C in collaboration with NRCFOSS will evaluate the projects ; selected ones will be put on demo (in may/june 2010?) and prizes / certificates offered from nrcfoss. While ILUG-C could focus on TN colleges, other groups could get this going in their respective states. Srinivasan. Actually, my suggestion was to have a larger project in each college, and every batch of students contribute a module or part of that big project. It is in that plan, that i started eduerp for mahendra college. But i could not get the next batch to continue working on it. We all know that open source projects require persistence, consistency, and long term planning. Wordpress is being developed for the past 4 years, and drupal for more than 6 years. So as all other open source projects like phpbb, open bravo etc.. The reason why indians could not come out with such projects is because of lack of project planning, and also the fact that our academic project syllabus is so premature. I hope, like minded persons in ILUGC can come forward and guide the students towards major open source projects. Atleast, if each college could house one major open source projects, (Whether existing, or new concept), subsequent batches coming out of that college, can contribute a module to it, and enrich that software in to a useful thing. In this case, it need not be a final year project. The students can join right from their third year starting, and whatever the work they do, may be considered for final year projects. Suggestions please! Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, My thoughts below: --- On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM, senthilraja Ptechnocr...@gmail.com wrote: | We all know that open source projects require persistence, \-- Yes. --- | consistency, \-- Too generic a statement. --- | and long term planning. \-- Not necessarily required, IMO. --- | The reason why indians could not come out with such projects is because of | lack of project planning, \-- It has nothing to do with project planning. Indians in India are either extremely busy with office work that they don't have time for community F/OSS, or, they have become PHBs [1] who don't have the skill-sets or know-how to work. --- | and also the fact that our academic project | syllabus is so premature. \-- Syllabus is ok. Just that people don't know how, and where to apply it in practice. --- | The students can join right from their third | year starting \-- IMO, everything should start from the first year. SK [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-Haired_Boss -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com: | and also the fact that our academic project | syllabus is so premature. \-- Syllabus is ok. Just that people don't know how, and where to apply it in practice. I am not sure if we could say that the syllabus is ok though I agree that a student could definitely make a lot of the current syllabus. It definitely needs to be revised and improved according to industry changes and should be vendor neutral ( most of it is but faculty don't think so ) . Here is a syllabus listing of most of the institutes in India . http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Syllabus_Review It is a wiki page so please feel free to enter your syllabus in it . We definitely need to discuss Anna Univ syllabus right from how the 12th class student is given programming OS introduction to other advanced CS concepts . Here is my University syllabus book for CSE . http://www.esnips.com/doc/424ba692-71fb-4865-8403-7a3656b4a834/JNTU-CSE-Syllabus-book Interested people can add info Comments about it in the FCI wiki for Syllabus review. IMO, everything should start from the first year. Undoubtedly everything should start from 1st year because basics like how the voltage levels function in a diode will help him understand diodes better which in turn will help him understand transistors and photo diodes so on to IC's , Micro processors and computer architecture . Everything is Science :) Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/8/7 senthilraja P technocr...@gmail.com: We all know that open source projects require persistence, consistency, and long term planning. Wordpress is being developed for the past 4 years, and drupal for more than 6 years. So as all other open source projects like phpbb, open bravo etc.. But new people come and develop modules for wordpress .Some also leave ,they might not be maintaining their modules .So new students can find such modules and start maintaining them . The students can just look at the project(module) statistics and releases . It will explain lot of things :) Lemme tell you one incident . I heard in one IRC channel ( dont remember the name ) that one guy wanted a wordpress feature . You know by evening that feature was implemented as a wordpress module , thats the power of FOSS !! I hope, like minded persons in ILUGC can come forward and guide the students towards major open source projects. Don't hope :P They will definitely come in ILUGC !! Atleast, if each college could house one major open source projects, (Whether existing, or new concept), subsequent batches coming out of that college, can contribute a module to it, and enrich that software in to a useful thing. This is a good thing but wont the faculty be forcing one student into one module or one language or platform which he may not be interested in . Hence I could suggest a pool of project ideas and mentors like what NRCFOSS has did . http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/ProjectIdeas http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/FellowshipMentors The faculty should help the student in choosing a project / direction . When I mean help it should be guidance but not enforcing a particular technology to the student . This will really help the student to do whatever he likes. It may also bring out some great innovations in FOSS :) Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On Saturday 08 Aug 2009 12:56:54 am pavithran wrote: We all know that open source projects require persistence, consistency, and long term planning. Wordpress is being developed for the past 4 years, and drupal for more than 6 years. So as all other open source projects like phpbb, open bravo etc.. But new people come and develop modules for wordpress .Some also leave since we are being nitpicky - please leave a line between the quoted matter and your post -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, --- On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:39 AM, pavithranpavithra...@gmail.com wrote: | I am not sure if we could say that the syllabus is ok though I agree | that a student could definitely make a lot of the current syllabus. \-- That is where most people have the wrong conception, IMO. A syllabus is only a guideline, and a student is expected to venture into gaining more knowledge beyond what is prescribed, and this is the single most important aspect that a student must fulfill in education. Degree, job, awards, friendships are all side-effects. --- | It | definitely needs to be revised and improved according to industry | changes and should be vendor neutral \-- That is contradictory. One should always follow free/open standards. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, My thoughts below: --- On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Arulalan Ttarula...@gmail.com wrote: | i accept your advice with pleasure. | | i started to do proj in Vb and Oracle itself in lab. \-- This is a workaround. Not a solution to the problem. Shrinivasan had this problem when he studied in the same college. Now his junior (you). It doesn't solve the problem to your juniors, either! If possible, I request NRC-FOSS to sign a MoU with colleges, that students/faculty can work with NRC-FOSS for any F/OSS project work required. This could help us in working directly with students through NRC-FOSS assistance. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Arul, I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other Languages. They preferred only VB and ORACLE , because they know that only. Even though I was fighted with them and finally, they said OK to do in RoR. It doesn't matter what you do? its all matters How you do? for example let us assume in mere future ROR or any other technology could be replaced by some thing else. So what we do? we upgrade our self to the next level to sustain in the job market [1]. I personally feel technology/tool/language is not important on the other hand learn the art of programming [2] you can sustain for ever. And also I have personal request don't reveal the college or organization name in the public list until unless their is no other go. Enjoy programming, take care. [1] survival of the fittest [2] programming concepts or programming logic is very vital vitamins, languages could keep changing but but not the programming concepts. -- Ravi Jaya Mobile: +91 97909 16181 +91 97390 13230 ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
--- On Sun, 19/7/09, Kapil Hari Paranjape ka...@debian.org wrote: From: Kapil Hari Paranjape ka...@debian.org Subject: Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Arulalan T wrote: And the main problem with Hod is, he is Master in Maths ( ph.d). I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here! What is wrong with being a Ph.D. in mathematics? :-) +1 With maths background I never felt any problem with programming especially logic - but I could see lot of BE/B.Techs suffering in this respect. I feel it is ultimately individual's interest as pointed out by Kapil. Moreover until late 80's Computer programming was associated with maths, statistics department in general. Raman.P See the Web#39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Yahoo! Buzz. http://in.buzz.yahoo.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
2009/7/9 varadarajan narayanan rad.naraya...@gmail.com: Really i am very happy by seeing all of your support. The community always helps .. all you need to do is ask :D Glad that you asked . I call upon all engineering students in this list to mention various issues in the colleges related to FOSS . I bet the list would help you . Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi to all, I am Arulalan . T doing Final year M.C.A in Saveetha Engg College , Chennai. Now I am studying fifth semester. This semester we have Software Project Management ( Theory Paper ). For this subject having one lab, namely called , Software Development Lab . In this lab, we have to do 10 small projects. I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other Languages. They preferred only VB and ORACLE , because they know that only. Even though I was fighted with them and finally, they said OK to do in RoR. But now my HOD is opposing to that. He s asking me, while doing University Practical Examination, the External examiner will not accept your projects means, what can you do ? . what can i do ? Give me all your suggestions ! and I need NRC FOSS support to do my 5th sem simple projects in Open Source(RoR). ( * they doesn't oppose to do my final semester projects in Open-Source *) How can i approach this problem? http://www.indiastudycenter.com/Other/Syllabus/AnnUniv/PG/MCA/MC1804-Software-Development-Lab.asp Syllabus of Anna University Chennai MCA - 2005 Regulation - MC1804 Software Development Lab Develop Software using CASE tools for the applications like : 1. Online railway reservation system 2. Payroll processing application 3. Inventory system 4. Automating the banking process 5. Software for game 6. Library management system 7. Create a dictionary 8. Text editor 9. Telephone directory 10.Create an E-Book of your choice Software required: Languages: C/C++/Java/JSDK/Web browser. Any front end tool (like VB, VC++, Developer 2000) etc Any backend tool (Oracle, Ms-Access, SQL) etc. Any CASE tool ( * they preferred Rational Rose . I preferred Umbrello for CASE TOOL* ) -- நன்றி , அருளாளன் . த Kanchi Linux User Group Rocks ! http://kanchilug.wordpress.com My Experiments In Linux are here http://tuxworld.wordpress.com தக்கண தழைக்கும் ! ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Now I am studying fifth semester. This semester we have Software Project Management ( Theory Paper ). For this subject having one lab, namely called , Software Development Lab . In this lab, we have to do 10 small projects. Any front end tool (like VB, VC++, Developer 2000) etc Any backend tool (Oracle, Ms-Access, SQL) etc. Any CASE too Does your syllabus define any restriction on the choice of language? ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
From: Arulalan T tarula...@gmail.com To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in; tarulalan tarula...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 10:48:56 PM Subject: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help Hi to all, I am Arulalan . T doing Final year M.C.A in Saveetha Engg College , Chennai. Now I am studying fifth semester. This semester we have Software Project Management ( Theory Paper ). For this subject having one lab, namely called , Software Development Lab . In this lab, we have to do 10 small projects. I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other Languages. They preferred only VB and ORACLE , because they know that only. Even though I was fighted with them and finally, they said OK to do in RoR. But now my HOD is opposing to that. He s asking me, while doing University Practical Examination, the External examiner will not accept your projects means, what can you do ? . what can i do ? Give me all your suggestions ! and I need NRC FOSS support to do my 5th sem simple projects in Open Source(RoR). ( * they doesn't oppose to do my final semester projects in Open-Source *) How can i approach this problem? http://www.indiastudycenter.com/Other/Syllabus/AnnUniv/PG/MCA/MC1804-Software-Development-Lab.asp Syllabus of Anna University Chennai MCA - 2005 Regulation - MC1804 Software Development Lab Develop Software using CASE tools for the applications like : 1. Online railway reservation system 2. Payroll processing application 3. Inventory system 4. Automating the banking process 5. Software for game 6. Library management system 7. Create a dictionary 8. Text editor 9. Telephone directory 10.Create an E-Book of your choice Software required: Languages: C/C++/Java/JSDK/Web browser. Any front end tool (like VB, VC++, Developer 2000) etc Any backend tool (Oracle, Ms-Access, SQL) etc. Any CASE tool ( * they preferred Rational Rose . I preferred Umbrello for CASE TOOL* ) -- நன்றி , அருளாளன் . த Dear Arulalan, In the web site, it is clearly mentioned as Any front end tool, ANY BACKEND TOOL and ANY CASE TOOL. It did not mention, not to use Open Source. So, you can approach the university and submit your grievances. Of not knowing about open source tools, the external examiner cannot refuse your genuine project. If they not agree, they accept that they are incapapble of learning new technologies and unfit to validate your graduation!!! Please do not hesitate to approach the higher authorities of the University. Regards, Rajendhran Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Arulalan T tarula...@gmail.com wrote: R. But now my HOD is opposing to that. He s asking me, while doing University Practical Examination, the External examiner will not accept your projects means, what can you do ? . what can i do ? Give me all your suggestions ! and I need NRC FOSS support to do my 5th sem simple projects in Open Source(RoR). ( * they doesn't oppose to do my final semester projects in Open-Source *) How can i approach this problem? http://www.indiastudycenter.com/Other/Syllabus/AnnUniv/PG/MCA/MC1804-Software-Development-Lab.asp Already Jaya Engineering college guys are using Umbrello and python for CASE tools lab( i guess).You could post your hod's email address are something here so that people from NRCFOSS or Jaya Engineering college can contact him back regarding the issue. Regards Arun SAG -- A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, --- On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Arulalan Ttarula...@gmail.com wrote: | I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . | | what can i do ? | | Give me all your suggestions ! \-- If they and you are ready to release the source code under a F/OSS license, and if NRC-FOSS (Kenneth, any thoughts?) agrees to be a mentor for the project, you can tell them that this project will be worked under NRC-FOSS guidance, and you can work with me on the same. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On Thursday 09 July 2009 09:47:52 you wrote: --- On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Arulalan Ttarula...@gmail.com wrote: | I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails | . | | what can i do ? | | Give me all your suggestions ! \-- If they and you are ready to release the source code under a F/OSS license, and if NRC-FOSS (Kenneth, any thoughts?) agrees to be a mentor for the project, you can tell them that this project will be worked under NRC-FOSS guidance, and you can work with me on the same. no problem - we can give an official letter to HOD saying that we are willing to guide him -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
Hi, --- On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Kenneth Gonsalveslaw...@thenilgiris.com wrote: | no problem - we can give an official letter to HOD saying that we are willing to | guide him \-- Sounds good! @Arul: 1. Please confirm that you can release the source code under a F/OSS license. 2. Please request and collect an official letter from NRC-FOSS, and hand it over to your HOD and faculty (in a friendly manner) that you will work with NRC-FOSS for the projects. Let me know when you are done with this, and we can take this further. Thanks, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
