Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Eswar wrote: listBusiness is War and i will use all means to win in it, Fair or unfair...[This is why i never own a business :)] I agree that business is war! But the kind of means I use is important. I need to play within the rules - if I dont, i should be corrected/punished/prosecuted. There might be loopholes in rules - but whether I choose to use these loopholes or not defines the character of the company. Over time the exploitation of these loopholes might give me enough success to give me a monopoly (hint! hint! ;) but then my actions should be monitored for the larger interests of the society. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] kget kahan hai (was) Re: Download managers in Linux
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 02:36:46 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Surendra Verma wrote: there is a downloader manager program in kde and many would be familiar with it with many advanced features.i am using kdenetwork-kget for downloading and have downloaded files as big as 700 mbs with it. but the only problem is that it works only with konqueror browser and not with other browesrs. Arre nahi! I use kget without konqueror(I prefer Firefox). In KDE just execute the command kget. You would see a window opening in which you can paste your URLs and they will be downloaded as you want. [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# kget bash: kget: command not found ok, this means that i ahve not installed kget. i asked google about kget and it took me to http://kget.sourceforge.net/ but where's the downlaod section. i can't find kget here. searched again with other search strings and came here, http://devel-home.kde.org/ but again, kget is missing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# apt-get install kget Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package kget tried apt-get and this is what i got (i may be doing something wrong here). where do I get kget from. regards, vijay. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Fedora Problems...
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 10:08, Linux wrote: [SNIP] One more problem I am facing after upgrading Linux 7.3 to Fedora Core is that Serial mouse in my pc is not working. Seems to be no reason. But if you can describe the [Pointer] section of /etc/X11/XF86Config then may be some help canbe forthcoming. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Gnome2.6
Can anybody tell me,How to install GNOME2.6 in Fedora core 1 without using the GARNOME ? regards Pankaj Kumar __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Eswar wrote: Business is War and i will use all means to win in it, Fair or unfair...[This is why i never own a business :)] I think killing somebody is correct also... because everything is fair in business... lawyer is correct in defending criminals because its his business ... killer is correct because its his business ... moreover nobody is guilty until proven guilty ... similarly judge is correct in taking bribe ... because he is not guilty unless proven, which ain't happening anyway. Then what I can't understand is why people blame politicians for corruption. Because no Laloo, no Jayalalita, no nobody is corrupt (read guilty) unless proven guilty under law; and the laws themselves have been created by the very people we are trying to enforce them upon. Talking of wars: even war are fought keeping certain rules in mind. And these rules are by the mutual agreement of the two sides involved and not made by the dominating side. I (I don't know about you) hate US for forcing war in Iraq, due to oil, which is also business BTW. If every thing is fair in business than this killing of innocent people in Iraq is fair also. Because in the end Bush (personally) will be wealthier by millions of dollars and twenty years henceforth will be hailed as on of the greatest leaders of out time, because history and laws are being written by him and/or his poodles. Same is the case with software giants. hail democracy, heck! PS: evrything is fair in business and it is my business (and of some others) to throw M$ and others out of competition, so what's the arguement anyway :) .. -- Two statements: `` 640K ought to be enough for anybody.'' -- Bill Gates ``Windows ought to be enough for anybody.'' -- Anon Ymous ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] kget kahan hai (was) Re: Download managers in Linux
R.Vijayaraghavan wrote: tried apt-get and this is what i got (i may be doing something wrong here). where do I get kget from. [EMAIL PROTECTED] sandip]$ rpm -qf `which kget` kdenetwork-3.1-5 - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] april ilug-d meet
Some of the stuff i talked about at the meet can be found at : The animated LILO - http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo Quickswitch - http://www.muthanna.com/quickswitch Superkaramba - http://netdragon.sourceforge.net Karamba Applications - http://www.kde-look.org Have fun , - Ankur. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Gnome2.6
--- Pankaj Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody tell me,How to install GNOME2.6 in Fedora core 1 without using the GARNOME ? Check out the Gnome site. It tells you the order in which the individual packages are to be installed as also the prerequisites. -- narsingh Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Viksit Gaur wrote: Hmm.. Just some thoughts.. Suppose my company (i dont work for any, btw :) has spent a million bucks in developing and promoting a technology, would I like it if someone was to develop something which circumvents my security measures and possibly eat into or even trivialize my profits? Suppose you have a million bucks to spend you might want to put that money into developing a security scheme which is not so trival to break. Plus The hacker is doing you a favor by breaking your scheme and showing possible flaws in your software, If as a company you decide to look at it as a flaw. Hey, Viksit - some more thoughts ... What if instead of a million bucks I was workin on my own, ekeing out an existence, and i spent valuable time developing a software (in say an interpreted language) , which has a quick-dirty lock for my evaluation copy. First of all, if you tell everyone how to break my lock, you are NOT doing me a favor - you are harming me. Second, if instead of adding domain specific features, i spend my time writing a more and more sophisticate algo (while you spend your spare time breaking it), then it is a big unproductive waste of my time. Are all software developers (individuals) expected to be developing complex crypto locks and protection. In our meeting it was discussed that there is a difference in facilitating something wrong, and actually doing wrong (like having 2 hands and actually strangling someone). But what if the tool (no pun) was developed specifically to enable others to do something harmful ? And it was even put up free of cost for all with instructions on how to do harm? Then does it matter if the creator actually did himself do harm ? Its much like its a crime to possess /sell narcotics even if you dont consume, whereas it may not be a crime to possess a gun (which can arguably be used for self defense). It also did occur to me that Cross-Over and WINE etc are specifically made to run MS's products which could hurt MS's sales of its OS. At this moment, i think the original creator (MS) should have the first say in whether someone is allowed to use his product with other products for which it was not intended to be used. No one asked me to buy MSOffice and then cry that it doesnt run on Linux ! Same for iTunes, You knew when you bought it where it could run. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] The Pitfalls of Linux
read this and u people will think about it. http://www.smxinfo.com/articles/editor/linuxpit.htm = Arundeep Singh, M.Tech (IS), IIIT Allahabad, U.P, India. ph: 09415262466, 09417066713 http://www.i-cognition.com Don't take life seriously, as you can't come out of it alive. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you're missing the important point here -- stealing music is illegal, but providing tools that MAY be used to steal music isn't. Raj. My question here is : what if the tool is very specifically created to steal music, and is also promoted as such. I doubt that MAY was applicable here. Pls educate me -- what other uses was that tool for, what did he promote it as ... was it accidentally used by *everyone* to rip iTunes without his *ever* saying it could. If we support the banning of tools that may possibly be used for illegal purposes we'll have to ban just about everything -- starting with computers, Winduhs, Linux, gdb, nmap, C compilers, Perl, netstat, ping, mutt, Emacs, EVERYTHING! I think the intention of these tools was never bad, whereas the software in question was (or MAY HAVE BEEN) intended to do something arguably illegal/harmful. No. If you want to protect your music don't protect the people who write software -- prosecute those who use the software to perform illegal acts. Remember -- it's not the tool that is illegal, it's the use to which it is put by an individual that is or is not. To take an extreme example, can i create and freely distribute anthrax with instructions on how to kill people with it, and still be absolved of all blame when others use it as I suggest. I dont believe anthrax has any useful (other) use (just an example). I also think there are many many avenues for creativity/innovation - we dont have to target one another's softwares and claim that thats the only avenue. -- cheers, rk. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]
Original Message Subject: ILUG-D: Contact Us From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from Sameer Gemini: i was not working on my Red Hat Linux since a month? Now it was not accepting administrative pwd? how to find the solution plz help? -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] At Last we got our T-Shirts!!!
vivek ji, ek 42 size t-shirt dena pls. ;) amit --- Gurpreet Sachdeva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Last we got our ILUG-D 'T'-Shirts. Thanks a ton to Vivek... BR, GSS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] The Pitfalls of Linux
On 04/19/2004 03:58 PM, arundeep Singh wrote: read this and u people will think about it. I dont think something written about the TCO of Linux in the end of 2001 really applies today. Funny how he is calling Linux for embedded systems a passing fad. Sounds like a typical disgruntled corporation which lost business to Linux. - Ankur. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]
hi u can do one of the following either 1) use bootable cd of any linux distribution and go to rescue mode and change passwd of root by giving command # passwd root or 2) if u have installed grub in ur machine when starting up the machine press 'e gp tp the edit mode and on the second line of the write single, press enter and then press 'b' tp boot into single mode and then change the password. -- Nishikant Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message Subject: ILUG-D: Contact Us .From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from Sameer Gemini: i was not working on my Red Hat Linux since a month? Now it was not accepting administrative pwd? how to find the solution plz help? -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ _ Linux.Net --Open Source to everyone Powered by Linare Corporation http://www.linare.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] april ilug-d meet ..some modification
not anindya sen but slightly bigger anindya chakraborty :)) On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 linuxlingam wrote : twelve hot chocolate fudges at nirula's ice-cream parlour. sirtaj, the famous KDE developer, had two. all this after a delicious chinese dinner at Yo! China at Priya Complex, in vasant vihar. which was what the partying gang at linux-delhi headed to, after hungrily devouring some hot and spicy momos at the open-air stall outside, at the promenade. mayank and the LFY team had also organized chilled Cokes for the parched iluggers at the meet in okhla. i think more than 35 showed up for the meet. many got their Linux-Delhi tee-shirts. yeaah! ankur dazzled everyone with his super-sleek, super-sexy Dell laptop. raj mathur had some eye-candy on his laptop too, that was rather inspiring in the lazy, afternoon heat... and i won't even mention the eye-candy sandip savoured at nirula's... so why did you miss the meet? you thought we were some born-losers who had nothing better to do than talk bone-cut dry geek yack? you're mistaken! we've been having some really juicy, clubby, kick-ass meets that are great excuses to party. and the newbies especially love the burst of energy, enthusiasm, and bonding they receive from delhi's LUGers. example: anindya sen, arrived in delhi about six months ago from calcutta. new, bewildering city. new job. drops in at the ilug-d meet today, and drops home by late evening, after having made dozens of new friends and contacts, with similar outlooks and tastes. see you next month, 16th May, unless you wanna spend another sunday, sitting bored at home, watching lousy reruns on telly or hiding eternally behind that photon-spitting monitor. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] At Last we got our T-Shirts!!! - Vivek K.
Vivek! Never got a reply from you offlist :) Thought I'd give you a reminder..! Regards, = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]
dear frnd if u hav not set grub passwd then reboot the system and select linux then press c then select the middle of three options and type linux single and press enter the linux will now start in single user mode i.e. admin mode type passwd and press enter then it will ask 4 your new passwd type it and then press enter and then type exit and press enter the system will start in multiuser mode and aks for uid $ passwd type your id == root and in the passwd field your new passwd i hope it will work fine bye my dear frnd you can ask me anything related to linux personally bye mukesh __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Hey! My question here is : what if the tool is very specifically created to steal music, and is also promoted as such. I doubt that MAY was applicable here. Pls educate me -- what other uses was that tool for, what did he promote it as ... was it accidentally used by *everyone* to rip iTunes without his *ever* saying it could. Well, AFAIK, Fairplay *wasn't* promoted or touted as being the free, bad-ass way of stealing itunes. It was probably developed by the author to see if he *could* crack the itunes encrypted AAC's - much like the tons of tutorials out there which tell you how to make dirty nuclear bombs or floppy drives which explode on inserting a floppy... Ever heard of the anarchist's cookbook? How are there millions of copies online? I think the intention of these tools was never bad, whereas the software in question was (or MA Y HAVE BEEN) intended to do something arguably illegal/harmful. The intention of the tools themselves isn't in question here. Its how you actually use emacs to write a deadly worm or use windows to compromise security :) which matters. To take an extreme example, can i create and freely distribute anthrax with instructions on how to kill people with it, and still be absolved of all blame when others use it as I suggest. I dont believe anthrax has any useful (other) use (just an example). I dont agree. Software of any kind (except for only ONE exception) has never directly resulted in the deaths of innocent human beings - a consequence more dire than any loss or profit a company might undergo. (Interestingly, the program I'm talking about was one which displayed psychedellic colors and patterns on screen, along with a screech, which lead to someone hamaeoraging his brain) The hacker ethic (NOT Crackers) is all about going through and creating/modifying code to suit your own purpose. If I find an algorithm interesting enough, I'm gonna try and break it, provided it ultimately helps me sleep better at night, or allows me to play my favourite music on another device.. I also think there are many many avenues for creativity/innovation - we dont have to target one another's softwares and claim that thats the only avenue. Well, how would YOU do it? = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] (fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 492-1] New iproute packages fix denial of service
[Please upgrade iproute on all distributions -- Raju] This is an RFC 1153 digest. (1 message) -- Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Full-Disclosure] [SECURITY] [DSA 492-1] New iproute packages fix denial of service Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:06:24 -0700 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Debian Security Advisory DSA 492-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/security/ Matt Zimmerman April 18th, 2004 http://www.debian.org/security/faq - -- Package: iproute Vulnerability : denial of service Problem-Type : local Debian-specific: no CVE Ids: CAN-2003-0856 Debian Bug : 242994 Herbert Xu reported that local users could cause a denial of service against iproute, a set of tools for controlling networking in Linux kernels. iproute uses the netlink interface to communicate with the kernel, but failed to verify that the messages it received came from the kernel (rather than from other user processes). For the current stable distribution (woody) this problem has been fixed in version 20010824-8woody1. For the unstable distribution (sid), this problem will be fixed soon. We recommend that you update your iproute package. Upgrade Instructions - wget url will fetch the file for you dpkg -i file.deb will install the referenced file. If you are using the apt-get package manager, use the line for sources.list as given below: apt-get update will update the internal database apt-get upgrade will install corrected packages You may use an automated update by adding the resources from the footer to the proper configuration. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 alias woody - Source archives: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1.dsc Size/MD5 checksum: 583 4ddfda116fcaa5670bd0a395ce62c249 http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1.diff.gz Size/MD5 checksum:30926 818c356e9a703804987a99452a5cb5bf http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824.orig.tar.gz Size/MD5 checksum: 140139 b05a4e375d9468be3a1dd3f0e83daee8 Alpha architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_alpha.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 535862 84d99c4199f8ae7eab695f8e06a9de6b ARM architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_arm.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 509116 d4e7b52ca059ab99b67a9f01e07ccb1e Intel IA-32 architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_i386.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 499718 194a49253bf81cdcf702f935e2b35534 Intel IA-64 architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_ia64.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 570038 180ddee3ed7373989d54a2b3783c58f2 HP Precision architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_hppa.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 525956 30b521f7417acb9150cd2b79f065734d Motorola 680x0 architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_m68k.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 489736 196339f8c47b861aff2c110e5405ecc1 Big endian MIPS architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_mips.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 512874 2781925dd48d9bb9cb8b948e397b2947 Little endian MIPS architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_mipsel.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 513570 b61d21209d3cd1bf6b828396ef347676 PowerPC architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_powerpc.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 507942 cfa15b75474d3faa2bdaeb1b3c399d99 IBM S/390 architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_s390.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 503396 13e689f21473365267f7f73b44b05c2f Sun Sparc architecture: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iproute/iproute_20010824-8woody1_sparc.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 515030 fbc32ebc11a4cb14b98154b6cb257c8c These files will probably be moved into the stable distribution on its next revision. - - For apt-get: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main For dpkg-ftp: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security dists/stable/updates/main Mailing list:
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Rahul Kumar wrote: From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you're missing the important point here -- stealing music is illegal, but providing tools that MAY be used to steal music isn't. Raj. My question here is : what if the tool is very specifically created to steal music, and is also promoted as such. I doubt that MAY was applicable here. Pls educate me -- what other uses was that tool for, what did he promote it as ... was it accidentally used by *everyone* to rip iTunes without his *ever* saying it could. I will give you an example. You buy a K.L.Saigal song from iTunes. It is a very rare song, very difficult to find in MP3 format. You play it on your PC and then after a few days you have this unexplained urge to play it in the Samsung Yepp (a sleek,portable mp3 player ) that you have. However you notice that the song cannot be played in Yepp as it does not support the Apple AAC format. No problem, here is what you can do - - buy an iPod (really you must have some serious money in your pocket) - Go to Kaaza, search for fairplay.tar.gz, download it,compile it and rip the AAC format to mp3 , download the song to Yepp and live happily ever after. Moral of the story: Using a contrived story, you can prove anything :-) Seriously, is my story far fetched ? Is it not an example of fair use? -- / \__ (@\___Raj Shekhar / O My home : http://geocities.com/lunatech3007/ / (_/My blog : http://lunatech.journalspace.com/ /_/ U ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Sanjeev Ghane Gupta wrote: snip Please, folks, we jump on people who post technical questions without googling. Why not google before one discusses the law? Because everyone in this discussion, with you as the only notable exception, has taken a moral position on the topic, instead of a legal one. People, as Sanjeev has consistently pointed out, the law is the law - it is not what you want it to be. It has very narrow and specific definitions of what is/is not allowed. In a free society, you are allowed to disagree with laws. But the methods of disagreement are equally well defined...breaking laws and then claiming that you never agreed with them in the first place certainly isn't a mechanism. I certainly don't need to point out the anarchy that would arise if a well defined process is not followed for changing existing laws. If anyone feels strongly about changing copyright and/or IP laws, please file PILs or petitions to your local political representatives or relevant judicial review panels. Please don't support softwares/people who willfully break laws and look at loopholes like relocating to India as a safe-haven, even if you feel that the original law that forced them to do so is archaic. Regards, Varun Varma P.S.: Sanjee, the unfortunate thing in all of this is that you and I may be seen as the Devil's Advocates for suggesting that laws should be respected. --- Mindframe Software Services Pvt. Ltd. http://www.mindsw.com --- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
At 2004-04-20 01:02:05 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You buy a K.L.Saigal song from iTunes [...and convert it to MP3]. Is it not an example of fair use? No. It is not. If you are using fair use as the Doctrine of Fair Use, in copyright law, this is not fair use. It may not be, but that seems irrelevant in this case. The question here is not one of fair use or copyright law, but about the rights one has to use something that has been paid for, and more importantly, about rights that can or cannot be withdrawn by the copyright holder as a part of the licensing agreement for a copyrighted work. The law is not nearly as clear on that issue as it may be about the fair use of copyrighted works (which you may not have paid for). For example, the ruling of the Norwegian Supreme Court in the decss case says that if you buy a DVD, you get to do things to it that the MPAA may not like. On the other hand, there are contrary rulings from other courts on similar questions. I expect a fairly good case could be made in defence of converting songs to MP3 after buying them, as long as you're not breaking some OTHER laws in the process, for example by distributing the resulting MP3s (which is a copyright violation, although the conversion is not). This is why the DMCA sucks: it makes the reverse-engineering and conversion illegal too. But the DMCA is hardly established legal practice. Please, folks, we jump on people who post technical questions without googling. Why not google before one discusses the law? Good point. And the first thing the wannabe-lawyer crowd should Google for is a more suitable forum for this discussion, because this thread has long since ceased to be a fair use of the ilugd list. -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
great to see the number of 'experts' on cyber laws voicing their 'expert' 'analysis' on this topic. i thought we'd do something meaningful, doable, about this. Self-whisper from The Matrix: Focus, Trinity! :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] april ilug-d meet ..some modification
- Original Message - From: anindya chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [ilugd] april ilug-d meet ..some modification not anindya sen but slightly bigger anindya chakraborty :)) snip stop top posting Komal ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
At 2004-04-20 00:33:56 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thought we'd do something meaningful, doable, about this. And, er, what exactly is stopping you from doing something meaningful? -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Varun Varma wrote: If anyone feels strongly about changing copyright and/or IP laws, please file PILs or petitions to your local political representatives or relevant judicial review panels. What is going on here is just the first step of such a thing. You cant just go ahead and file a petition without having a public debate over it. Yes, this might not be the perfect forum for it - but again, let us not forget what this forum (ILUGD) is about - it is not just technology it is also the philosophy. To all those who say we stick to linux in all our talks here - well, you are right and wrong. Right, because this particular list has probably(some say mistakenly) given the impression that it is a strictly technical one. But wrong, if you say it should stay that way. I cant say this emphatically enough - ILUGD is not just about how to use Linux, it is also about how we sustain the techno-social environment in which Linux and the GNU movement came about in the first place. So subscribers of this list who are into Linux solely for technology or commercial benefits might sometime see discussions which might not bring direct technical or commercial benefits to them. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] list is unfortunately a catch-all for all discussions. There should ideally be a separate list for those interested in discussing freedom and other philosophical reasons on the line of LIG. But that might not be a good idea because: a. The traffic might not be good enough to merit a separate list. b. Most importantly, Linux users need to be made aware of larger issues. Linux is not just about software-for-free, it is also about software-that-should-be-setting-you-free. This is not a cliche - if you dont believe in this, you are not much different from a freeloader. That is why these discussions(in moderation) do have a place here. P.S.: Sanjee, the unfortunate thing in all of this is that you and I may be seen as the Devil's Advocates for suggesting that laws should be respected. Nobody is saying that laws should not be respected - if that had been the case, the discussion here would have been about how to bypass the ban and spread the software as much as possible. Laws are not written in stone - they change over time. For too long have Indian commercial laws like copyright laws not been subject to public scrutiny. Copyright laws the world over is going through a spate of public debates - they are being rewritten and re-interpreted. It is time that Indian laws reflect this world trend. If private enterprise ran solely on the basis of - Dont-like-it-then-dont-buy-it, then life would be a living hell. If you own a hotel, could you just put up a sign saying Only people of so-called upper castes may enter ?. The answer is you cant. Because there is a limit to which private enterprise may dictate rules. These rules have to respect common social beliefs of equality and fairness. We are claiming here that our sense of equality is not being respected. When the sole benefit of iTunes is to let you buy songs that you want, and I am perfectly open to buying songs to it, am I not being discriminated when Apple refuses to create a Linux port of its application because of commercial(e.g. lack of resources, lack of market, comptetition to MacOS) reasons? Consider the fact that Apple and Linux have identical market shares, and the fact that the Open Source community is willing to create the application on its own. Consider the fact that there might already be dozens of windows based cracks for decrypting iTunes songs already available and that Apple is willing to take that risk and still maintain and push the Windows port of iTunes. But when it comes to Linux and other free OSes, it is not? How much of this is fair for the public good? Playfair is only the first step to having iTunes on Linux. Today I read on slashdot that a software has already been developed on Linux which lets you listen to samples of iTunes songs from their server. This is another step. There will be more on the way. Just remember, DRM(Windows/Apple) or no DRM (linux,*bsd) we are still philophically against acts of wilful copyright infringement. But we consider it our right to create Free software which brings us *legitimate* benefits. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Minutes of ILUD April 18,2004 meeting
The meeting started with a discussion of Apple's notice to sarovar.org to remove PlayFair from their server. Apple has filed a complaint under the provisions of Indian Information Technology Act, 2000 and the Copyright Act, 1957. ( More about the Copyright Law http://www.helplinelaw.com/bareact/bact.php?no=05dsp=copyright and especially the Offenses chapter is http://www.helplinelaw.com/bareact/bact.php?no=05dsp=copyright#chapter13) . The crux of the argument is that stealing music is illegal, but providing tools that MAY be used to steal music isn't. CVR, the main guy behind sarovar, is in consultation with his lawyer and figuring out what he can do. FSF is also trying to figure out how they can help sarovar. So what can people at ILUGD do to contribute to this fight. Here are the points that were laid out - A PR campaign has to be started so that this case is not swept under the carpet without a fight - Keep money ready to contribute to the sarovar legal fund - File a PIL - LL will write about this topic on PCQ, LFY, HT, TOI The next topic on the agenda was Linux on Desktop by Sirtaj Kang. However he was not here to demo the usability of a Linux desktop but to talk about inter operable desktops. He started by telling about the freedesktop.org and its mission (http://freedesktop.org/Main/MissionStatement) . The main reason for starting the freedesktop project was to have a easy to use message passing mechanism between various applications. The KDE project uses DCOP as its message passing mechanism and the GNOME project uses CORBA. DCOP is easier to than the CORBA technology and freedesktop hopes to bring a consensus between these two projects. He then proceeded to explain a bit about Kparts (http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kparts/) and how Konqueror uses this technology to provide a better user experience. I must point out that his talk was not as systematic as I make it out to be, it was extremely free wheeling. he talked about C#, Mono, XAML, Avalon too. (http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/support/lhdevfaq/default.aspx#Essential) After this we had a round of money collection and some important announcements. An anonymous benefactor is willing to pay 25-30 thousand for the ILUGD kitty, subject to the conditions that the money is spent on buying infrastructure for ILUGD. How the money is to be spent has not yet been decided and the people on the list are welcome to put forward their ideas. The second announcement was about the flash supercomputer. The idea seems to have fizzled out as no one is taking the ownership of the whole project. The last but the most important announcement was the distribution of the t shirts. Next on the agenda was the talk on Localization Nirendra Awasthi. He walked the audience through the steps of localizing an application. First you create a set of message strings using a po file. Next you compile the po file to get the mo file. The mo file is placed in the /usr/share/locale/[LANG_CODE]/LC_MESSAGES/ directory. An application can use the gettext library to get the message string based on the user's locale setting. His talk was sprinkled with arguments about how India is not doing enough on the Unicode front, how best to go about translating the message string and generally how bad the whole localization scene is. Ritesh Raj Sarraf next talked about the Debian philosophy and its key strengths. The strongest points in the favor of Debian is the easy package management and its debconf utility to provide a more user friendly configuration tool. Many in the audience pointed out Debian's weakness in coming out with the cutting edge software. Ritesh told us about the testing package set on Debian (called Sid) and how you can use apt-conf to get the latest releases of your packages (If i am wrong on this, please correct me because I am a rpm/tar.gz guy myself). It was also suggested to the LFY people present there to have the updates for Debian on their monthly CDs. Next on stage was Ankur who wowed everyone with his swanky LILO background . For those who missed, a screen shot is here http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/xray-blue.html (but of course the live version was more awesome). He demoed his laptop running on KDE and a lot of eye candy. He was running Superkaramba on his desktop with a lot of plugins. Links of the apps he demoed are listed below - The animated LILO - http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo - Quickswitch - http://www.muthanna.com/quickswitch - Superkaramba - http://netdragon.sourceforge.net - Karamba Applications - http://www.kde-look.org All in all, Linux on laptops are not that hard as they used to be. Ankur was working on Mandrake distro, just for the record. After this, we had a vote of thanks for Mayank and Rahul (not sure about the Rahul's last name ) for providing space and hospitality for 30-40 people (are geeks counted as people?) planning world domination. The party did not end here. We moved to
Re: Re: [ilugd] not got my T-Shirts!!!
tell me how you got ur t-shirt Contact the T-Shirt Man... Vivek Khurana...offline or online. You may ask him for the availability of the same... If you have already paid for that, you will be given precedence, and if not, you need to pay Rs. 175/- (Pretty decent and reasonable for a awesome crystal shining white Tee-Shirt with a Red Color Maharaja Tux on the pocket)... i want my cd rom + knopp cd and many more Please send a request mail to ilugd-cd-request_at_lists_dot_linux-delhi_dot_org... Any openhanded candidate willing to help my dear friend Mukesh??? R, GSS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] flash mob computing !
who said flash mob computing is fizzling itself out? here's the latest status: 1) kishore makes a pragmatic suggestion: choose a location where we have existing dozens of pc with infrastructure like power, backup, ac, network, etc. we had volunteers here devoting their sites. kishore recommends use one of these sites to showcase a flash mob supercomputer. even if it is of 50 nodes, or 100 nodes, it is a proof-of-concept. perhaps in the second or third attempt we could break a national or other record. perhaps in the hundredth. kishore knows. once upon a time, he was a car rally freak. participating and finishing is important. 2) raj stumps everyone with his 21 unanswerable questions. solution: ignore his questions and get on with the flashmob computing, as per kishore's suggestion. a scaled-down, initial flash-mob recce is better than no flashmob computer. simple. some tests done by flashmobbers showed problems in the nodes actually 'subtracting' rather than 'adding' computing power. unfortunately, vivek khurana, on whose shoulders the history of this moment is to rest, was missing during this discussion. so we could have discussed alternatives. i believe we could attempt this with another live distro, or contact the flashmob supercomputing list to find out what is happening. please, let's have a list of volunteered sites for the flashmob event. let's do a sample test of this using bootable cds on-location. even a two-node cluster would do. vivek, you can best coordinate this, as you are completely clued in to the intiative, and tell us how do we proceed. :-) LL (flasher in the mob) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] KDE+GNOME+Enlightenment+TWM
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 06:09, Raj Mathur wrote: You need to enable GDM (or whatever Display Manager you're using) on multiple X sessions. Then you can start one X session with KDE, another with Gnome, etc. For gdm, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and uncomment the line near the bottom that reads: #1=Standard done. works. thanks. service gdm restart and you're done -- you have GDM logins on ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8. I presume that I don't have to detail how to start a KDE login session or a Gnome login session by clicking on the Session button and selecting the appropriate session type :) thanks for this tip. us mac users are born morons. am a bit confused here. the logitech mouse on my amd here has two buttons, one on the left, and one on the right. it also has an awkward button that rotates on its axes like a wheel, entrenched between these two buttons. i gingerly hold the mouse with my thumb and my little finger, using the palm to move it around. when i come to the sessions icon, am confused. which button should i press? left, right, wheel? two fo them, three of them? isn't linux intuitive? if i hover over the icon, won't it understand and press it for me? BTW, this is generally replicable, so if you want more sessions add more lines of the form 2=Standard, 3=Standard, etc. notice it shows some speed drag. but this has sufficient ram. unless swap space is being used heavily. hmmm :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
linuxlingam wrote: some tests done by flashmobbers showed problems in the nodes actually 'subtracting' rather than 'adding' computing power. unfortunately, vivek khurana, on whose shoulders the history of this moment is to rest, was missing during this discussion. so we could have discussed alternatives. i believe we could attempt this with another live distro, or contact the flashmob supercomputing list to find out what is happening. please, let's have a list of volunteered sites for the flashmob event. let's do a sample test of this using bootable cds on-location. even a two-node cluster would do. vivek, you can best coordinate this, as you are completely clued in to the intiative, and tell us how do we proceed. I have a suggestion. Why dont you folks go to http://lap.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/WebHome and start off a page on the flahmob supercomputing status, resources found out till now, recent tries at the stuff - the problems found, etc.? We can have a link to this wiki site from the main ILUGD home page. LL, why dont you start out the top level page for the project, and then just make points for the various facets of it - like TODO, volunteers, resources needed, knowledge base, etc. People here can keep adding to it as needed. The LAP twiki site is lying unused. WE can use it for maintaining status for other projects of ILUGD (even the T-Shirt project). - Sandip P.S. I plan to start a page on twiki myself asking for donations to sponsor me to for my long-standing demand about my trip to Phuket for T-shirts on ILUGD funds, which I have been unfairly denied all these years. ;) -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] slashdot sarovar
dear raj, i assume you made good friends with slashdot's editor, roblimo. could you send him an email on the sarovar controversy? ? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:27, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have a suggestion. Why dont you folks go to http://lap.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/WebHome and start off a page on the flahmob supercomputing status,] LL, why dont you start out the top level page for the project, er.. you mean vivek. he coordinates this. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Sigh...I would venture to guess this is what AMS had in mind while requesting [actually, demanding] that this thread be discontinued. The debate has already ventured into the territory of loud and fanatic shouting based on assumptions that-you-know-better-than-I-what society-needs and what-is-the-philosophical-reasoning-behind-Linux. I guess I am to blame as anyone else for that, by replying to a thread where almost no one seems to have done their basic research, including I. And it get's worse - I am going to reply to this mail. For anyone with legal/philosophical expertise, please forgive me - Mea about to Culpa and produce quasi-legal, quasi-philosophical ramblings. Varun Varma wrote: If anyone feels strongly about changing copyright and/or IP laws, please file PILs or petitions to your local political representatives or relevant judicial review panels. What is going on here is just the first step of such a thing. You cant just go ahead and file a petition without having a public debate over it. By deleting what followed below, you have taken the above quote out of context. I am not suggesting that a public debate should not happen - in fact I am contributing to one. Yes, this might not be the perfect forum for it - but again, let us not forget what this forum (ILUGD) is about - it is not just technology it is also the philosophy. Umm...I never said that it should not be discussed here. On the contrary, I quite believe that it should - why else would I post to this thread, *not* demanding that it be discontinued? What you have just said above, and in the next 3 paragraphs would have been better suited as a reply to AMS's mail and I am going to refrain from commenting on quite a few things which I don't agree with at all... To all those who say we stick to linux in all our talks here - well, you are right and wrong. Right, because this particular list has probably(some say mistakenly) given the impression that it is a strictly technical one. But wrong, if you say it should stay that way. I cant say this emphatically enough - ILUGD is not just about how to use Linux, it is also about how we sustain the techno-social environment in which Linux and the GNU movement came about in the first place. So subscribers of this list who are into Linux solely for technology or commercial benefits might sometime see discussions which might not bring direct technical or commercial benefits to them. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] list is unfortunately a catch-all for all discussions. There should ideally be a separate list for those interested in discussing freedom and other philosophical reasons on the line of LIG. But that might not be a good idea because: a. The traffic might not be good enough to merit a separate list. b. Most importantly, Linux users need to be made aware of larger issues. Linux is not just about software-for-free, it is also about software-that-should-be-setting-you-free. This is not a cliche - if you dont believe in this, you are not much different from a freeloader. That is why these discussions(in moderation) do have a place here. P.S.: Sanjee, the unfortunate thing in all of this is that you and I may be seen as the Devil's Advocates for suggesting that laws should be respected. Uhh...considering that 8 paragraphs follow my P.S., I think what exactly what I said in the P.S. is coming true...getting castigated for suggesting the legal procedure be followed. Just for fun, I am going to point out the logical fallacies committed in the reasoning below. Finding out exactly what they mean is left as an excercise to the reader... Nobody is saying that laws should not be respected - if that had been the case, the discussion here would have been about how to bypass the ban and spread the software as much as possible. [non causa pro causa] Laws are not written in stone - they change over time. Yes they do. But how? The point I am trying to make again and again is that there is a well established system for changing laws, and I am suggesting that be followed. For too long have Indian commercial laws like copyright laws not been subject to public scrutiny. Copyright laws the world over is going through a spate of public debates - they are being rewritten and re-interpreted. It is time that Indian laws reflect this world trend. [Ignoratio Elenti] The above statement has no bearing on the point at hand - a law has been broken, and that should not be supported. If private enterprise ran solely on the basis of - Dont-like-it-then-dont-buy-it, then life would be a living hell. If you own a hotel, could you just put up a sign saying Only people of so-called upper castes may enter ?. The answer is you cant. Because there is a limit to which private enterprise may dictate rules. These rules have to respect common social beliefs of equality and fairness. [non causa pro causa] Yes, I can't. Do you know why? Because the
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
Varun, First of all let me apologize because my reply appeared to be solely on the basis of your statements - which was not my intention. I was not only replying to your mail but also earlier replies in the thread that you in turn had replied to. Note: After I read the rest of your mail properly I realized that you are quite mistaken about what has actually happened - please do read up the relevant stories before jumping in. Varun Varma wrote: Sigh...I would venture to guess this is what AMS had in mind while requesting [actually, demanding] that this thread be discontinued. The debate has already ventured into the territory of loud and fanatic shouting based on assumptions that-you-know-better-than-I-what society-needs and what-is-the-philosophical-reasoning-behind-Linux. Your generalization of the positions of people with differing views is indeed heartening, and sends really positive signals about your attitude towards others in the thread. If anyone feels strongly about changing copyright and/or IP laws, please file PILs or petitions to your local political representatives or relevant judicial review panels. What is going on here is just the first step of such a thing. You cant just go ahead and file a petition without having a public debate over it. By deleting what followed below, you have taken the above quote out of context. I am not suggesting that a public debate should not happen - in fact I am contributing to one. I must apologize then. Your statement above did imply that concerned persons should stop talking here and go somewhere else following well-established methods like PILs for changing laws. BTW, there was not too much to delete below, and I aplogize if you found it relevant - I sure didnt. What you have just said above, and in the next 3 paragraphs would have been better suited as a reply to AMS's mail and I am going to refrain You are right. They were. And I apologize if you took them personally like the rest. Laws are not written in stone - they change over time. Yes they do. But how? The point I am trying to make again and again is that there is a well established system for changing laws, and I am suggesting that be followed. And pray what system is that? Are you aware of the differences between formal and informal public debate that generally precedes such formal well-established systems of changing laws? For too long have Indian commercial laws like copyright laws not been subject to public scrutiny. Copyright laws the world over is going through a spate of public debates - they are being rewritten and re-interpreted. It is time that Indian laws reflect this world trend. [Ignoratio Elenti] [snipping mindless latin chatter] The above statement has no bearing on the point at hand - a law has been broken, and that should not be supported. There in lies your problem - you simply are not in a mood to listen or read to what others are even talking about in this thread. Which law has been broken? The controversy is about a commercial entity asking that a website be taken down because there is a *possibility* that the work on display there can be used for copyright infringement? There is a difference between DMCA based allegations and actual copyright violations. DMCA based allegations are made against people developing and disseminating tools that can potentially be used to break security systems protecting copyrighted material. In US, DMCA cases had been filed against skylarov, 2600, and a few others. These laws are not valid in India. Therefore instead Apple and its lawyers are citing possible Indian Copyright Law infringements in Indian that *may* happen if people use this software. They have no actual infringement cases to cite. Do you understand the significance now? This is a legal threat that can very well be fought in court(and in US these cases have even been won by the defendent) [Note to the technically sensitive reader: Yes, I know this is not a law - for that I really should be quoting from the Indian Penal Code where this Article of the constitution get's mapped to a law. You really think I am going to spend that much time on research?] :) Thanks for sparing us from all that in this grand act of condescention. Please understand that India, like any other democracy in the world is a republic. That means that the voice of majority is only heard till the selection of representatives, in whom you vest your power to take decisions on your behalf. Even if the decision is not what you like. And there are remedies to correct such decisions, which include: - Changing representation - Judicial procedure And if all else fails, - Revolt/Revolution The problem is that people straightaway jump to the third, without trying out the first two. I agree. But you are missing out an important step before the first two - public dissemination of the facts involved and public debates. I am stressing this on and on.
Re: [ilugd] slashdot sarovar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 LL == linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LL dear raj, i assume you made good friends with slashdot's LL editor, roblimo. could you send him an email on the sarovar LL controversy? I really don't want to do anything until the status clears up from the Indian end. At the moment the whole Playfair issue is in flux -- CVR is not sure, FSF is not sure, Rajkumar S (the admin of Sarovar) is not sure. IMO publicising the Playfair controversy before we have some strategy in place would be a bad idea. I'd also request you to hold the press releases and articles until CVR makes up his mind about how he plans to tackle Apple, if at all. For instance, if the final decision is to move the software to a more litigation-friendly server in India, any information we make public right now would become stale, damp, soggy and hard to light. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFAhHhsyWjQ78xo0X8RAmsYAJ4v6KEvcBongSLo3eIikly3Kk9uIACbBXxI XZOLTLWPJJWqKEzUMZvedjA= =lAOu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
LL == linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LL On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:27, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have a suggestion. Why dont you folks go to http://lap.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/WebHome and start off a page on the flahmob supercomputing status,] LL, why dont you start out the top level page for the project, LL er.. you mean vivek. he coordinates this. :-) LL Does he? Did he say so? -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] (fwd) [ GLSA 200404-15 ] XChat 2.0.x SOCKS5 Vulnerability
[Please upgrade if you use XChat through SOCKS5 on any platform -- Raju] This is an RFC 1153 digest. (1 message) -- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature; boundary=26yeOa/Qc5jqI7IO Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kurt Lieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ GLSA 200404-15 ] XChat 2.0.x SOCKS5 Vulnerability Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 05:16:36 -0400 --26yeOa/Qc5jqI7IO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gentoo Linux Security Advisory GLSA 200404-15 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://security.gentoo.org/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Severity: Low Title: XChat 2.0.x SOCKS5 Vulnerability Date: April 19, 2004 Bugs: #46856 ID: 200404-15 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Synopsis XChat is vulnerable to a stack overflow that may allow a remote attacker to run arbitrary code. Background == XChat is a multiplatform IRC client. Affected packages = --- Package/ Vulnerable / Unaffected --- net-irc/xchat 2.0.8-r1 = 2.0.8-r1 Description === The SOCKS 5 proxy code in XChat is vulnerable to a remote exploit. Users would have to be using XChat through a SOCKS 5 server, enable SOCKS 5 traversal which is disabled by default and also connect to an attacker's custom proxy server. Impact == This vulnerability may allow an attacker to run arbitrary code within the context of the user ID of the XChat client. Workaround == A workaround is not currently known for this issue. All users are advised to upgrade to the latest version of the affected package. Resolution == All XChat users should upgrade to the latest stable version: # emerge sync # emerge -pv =net-irc/xchat-2.0.8-r1 # emerge =net-irc/xchat-2.0.8-r1 Note that users of the gtk1 version of xchat (1.8.*) should upgrade to xchat-1.8.11-r1: # emerge sync # emerge -pv =net-irc/xchat-1.8.11-r1 # emerge =net-irc/xchat-1.8.11-r1 References == [ 1 ] http://mail.nl.linux.org/xchat-announce/2004-04/msg0.html Availability This GLSA and any updates to it are available for viewing at the Gentoo Security Website: http://security.gentoo.org/glsa/glsa-200404-15.xml Concerns? = Security is a primary focus of Gentoo Linux and ensuring the confidentiality and security of our users machines is of utmost importance to us. Any security concerns should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or alternatively, you may file a bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org. License === Copyright 2004 Gentoo Technologies, Inc; referenced text belongs to its owner(s). The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0 --26yeOa/Qc5jqI7IO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAg5j0JPpRNiftIEYRAtN4AKCMYpcjkN7BUWQD1Z+wAyXGo6/LnwCfZNiN /FzYQWzoTSR0w3Yxj2zfiMg= =kaDz -END PGP SIGNATURE- --26yeOa/Qc5jqI7IO-- -- End of this Digest ** -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] [Fwd: [Fsf-friends] Call the bluff]
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Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
--- linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who said flash mob computing is fizzling itself out? here's the latest status: 1) kishore makes a pragmatic suggestion: choose a location where we have existing dozens of pc with infrastructure like power, backup, ac, network, etc. we had volunteers here devoting their sites. kishore recommends use one of these sites to showcase a flash mob supercomputer. even if it is of 50 nodes, or 100 nodes, it is a proof-of-concept. perhaps in the second or third attempt we could break a national or other record. perhaps in the hundredth. Thank god you guyz disscussed it after i left. BTW what was stopping you from discussing it while me and shejar were around?? Well here is the outcome of our sunday morning adventure. Flashmob iso bombed (as i expected). It appears to be flaky and not performing properly with Intel hardware. The results we got were vaying. We could achieve 1.9 Gflops on single machine, but when we extended cluster to 3 nodes the Gflops fell to 0.5 Gflops. Flashmob iso was ruled out (unanimosly) due to flaky behaviour and non availability of source code. Following this new action plan was drawn. We decided to go for our iso. After some RD we got on with the job. I was carrying an educational cluster ISO which worked but there were no tools prtesent in the ISO to benchmark the performance. (we only tested network latency and stability and results were satisfactory). Manpreet started working on making a cluster using PCQLinux 2004(pre installed) as Anindya promised to make an live CD out of it. We were able to create a master node on PCQLinux, the problem started while creating the slave. One of the packages (we had a collection of packages to make cluster on RH6.2) required postgresql version 5.x and we had version 7.3 installed. By this time it was already 1:30 p.m and we had 4 crashed brains. So, we decided to continue this next weekend. Hopefully we will have a an ISO to do the the testing work next week. :-) LL (flasher in the mob) WHAT R U FLASHING??? Regards VK = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
--- linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:27, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have a suggestion. Why dont you folks go to http://lap.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/WebHome and start off a page on the flahmob supercomputing status,] LL, why dont you start out the top level page for the project, er.. you mean vivek. he coordinates this. :-) grrr someone else pick it up. I am taking care of the iso. Also, i am not the sole volunteer. There are limits to the amount of work a human can do. Regards VK = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
At 2004-04-20 01:25:44 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cant say this emphatically enough - ILUGD is not just about how to use Linux, it is also about how we sustain the techno-social environment in which Linux and the GNU movement came about in the first place. If you must put it that way... I suppose discussions about copyright law and legal aspects related to the philosophy and use of free software are an integral part of that environment. Let's see: name-calling, references to Microsoft evil, bad grammar, poor research, the Iraq war, proof by tedious anecdote, rebuttal by vigorous handwaving, gun-control laws, Bush, anthrax, the Matrix, starving kids, Laloo. Why, toss in a couple of references to communism, religion, and SCO, and we could declare this thread a heritage monument to the free software techno-social environment! -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Linux Presentation
Hi All, Any one has Powerpoint presentation or links showing linux's plus points (sclablity,security,stablity etc etc) , some graphical representation of survey reports and some organizations case studies ? from where i can access latest survey reports related to linux's performance and cost effectiveness in server segment ? I have to show it to my clients and convey them migrate from windows to linux platform in server segment. Thanks in advance --Ritesh Agrawal ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
