Re: [ilugd] Android SDK Released

[Gora Mohanty]

On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 11:38 +0530, Kazim Zaidi wrote:
> On 13/11/2007, मनीष <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > hehe.  Everybody around me pesters me to upgrade the phone but I have
> > been holding out for That Perferct Phone.  May be Android will help
> > develop it.
> >
> > --
> > Manish
> >
> Unfortunately, No. Your PerfectPhone will be perfect in the same manner it
> is right now.
> Android-enabled phones will be shipped by manufacturers only after second
> half of next year.
> Android is a platform, and a lot of mobile manufacturers will be giving out
> Android phones!
[...]

While this sounds quite interesting, would someone in the know
care to summarise the pros and cons of this vis-a-vis OpenMoko?
Besides the obvious one of Android having the backing of Google.

Regards,
Gora


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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 13-Nov-07, at 1:03 PM, rajnish kumar wrote:

> this I will be more thankful if you will  put up your opinion on my
> queries.

to repeat: qmail is not free software. Postfix is free software.  
Therefore use postfix as it is guaranteed to always be maintained and  
upgraded, it has developer support and is far easier to use.


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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[rajnish kumar]

On Nov 13, 2007 7:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12-Nov-07, at 9:21 PM, Kazim Zaidi wrote:
>
> > Instead of ignoring or pulling legs
>
> I resent that. I did *not* ignore - I gave a comprehensive answer to
> the question. I also did not 'pull legs' - kindly look up the
> definition of leg pulling before making statements like this.
>
>
> --
> regards
>
> Kenneth Gonsalves
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Dear friends
 If some body has problem to my some tinny short
cut words i will  make up this words in my next malling I had only
objection to putting this words by Mr Kenneth that  "I do not think
that you will be successful unless you learn
to spell better:" how he can rate my successiveness ? I was  more
happy if he suggested  that i should be avoided such type of words.
 But still, instead of
this I will be more thankful if you will  put up your opinion on my
queries.

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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Raj Mathur]

On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:44, मनीष wrote:
> [snip]
> In Dec '03 my system was taken over by virii and I was looking for
> recommendations for a distro when soneone on IRC said "if you want to
> start easy but are willing to face difficulties later, go for $distro
> but if you are willing to put in some effort in the beginning and
> have it easy later, go for Debian".  I still hardly understand
> inernals and intricacies but then I never needed to.
>
> I know above might sound like flamebait but it's really not, I am
> just sharing my enthusiasm for my favourite distro.

Debian *Testing* server, serving multiple HTTP and mail (with anti-spam 
and anti-virus) domains and running multiple CMS's, Wikis, blogs, CVS, 
you name it:

 12:06:20 up 315 days,  2:01,  1 user,  load average: 0.23, 0.21, 0.19

This was Radio Schizoid until the hosting provider decided to pull the 
power plug from it a month ago:

 04:20:02 up 270 days, 19:56,  1 user,  load average: 0.41, 0.40, 0.32

Debian testing again.  If you want stability very few distributions come 
anywhere near Debian IMNSHO.

/me dons his asbestos underwear and waits for the flames.

Regards,

-- Raju
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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Kazim Zaidi]

On 13/11/2007, मनीष <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

> recommendations for a distro when soneone on IRC said "if you want to
> start easy but are willing to face difficulties later, go for $distro
> but if you are willing to put in some effort in the beginning and have
> it easy later, go for Debian".  I still hardly understand inernals and
> intricacies but then I never needed to.

[snip]

I don't agree with someone. Some distros (like Slackware & Debian) are
more purist-friendly then others so-called "user-friendly" ones (like
Ubuntu).
Facing difficulties, whether sooner or later, entirely depends on
your experience with linux as whole, and not on your distro choice.

Your favourite distro is best for you. BTW, I cannot still understand why
"upgrade gives you a very different system than a fresh install".
I've never took the upgrade route, so I am curious about i pros and cons.


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Re: [ilugd] Android SDK Released

[Kazim Zaidi]

On 13/11/2007, मनीष <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hehe.  Everybody around me pesters me to upgrade the phone but I have
> been holding out for That Perferct Phone.  May be Android will help
> develop it.
>
> --
> Manish
>
Unfortunately, No. Your PerfectPhone will be perfect in the same manner it
is right now.
Android-enabled phones will be shipped by manufacturers only after second
half of next year.
Android is a platform, and a lot of mobile manufacturers will be giving out
Android phones!

Not OT, because this means that mobile shall be *freed* finally, with
opensource applications
and development framework. That means you'll be able to hack your mobile in
the same way
you hack your linux. (Google will free mobiles ...
http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com/2007/11/google-will-free-mobiles.html)

A good OpenSource framework was missing from the mobile industry. Even if
some
frameworks are present (like Qutopia, OpenMoko), they'll still take some
time to reach ordinary users.
Android has the advantage of "Open Handset Alliance", which has some big key
players of mobile industry.

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Re: [ilugd] Android SDK Released

[मनीष]

On Nov 13, 2007 11:08 AM, Chetan Thapliyal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any connection between 3315 and Android SDK? Can I really play with
> this SDK on this phone? I am asking this as I too have this phone with me.
> ;)
>

hehe.  Everybody around me pesters me to upgrade the phone but I have
been holding out for That Perferct Phone.  May be Android will help
develop it.

-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Android SDK Released

[Chetan Thapliyal]

Is there any connection between 3315 and Android SDK? Can I really play with
this SDK on this phone? I am asking this as I too have this phone with me.
;)

On Nov 13, 2007 10:59 AM, मनीष <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kazim> Google has released Android SDK under Open Handset Alliance
> today. The SDK
> Kazim> has got emulators and complete environment for development for
> the Android
> Kazim> phones.
> [snip]
>
> Probably this is what I have been waiting for all this while and the
> reason I haven't upgraded from my Nokia 3315 yet. :) Very interesting
> and thanks for sharing, but OT.
>
> --
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Re: [ilugd] Android SDK Released

[मनीष]

On Nov 13, 2007 10:59 AM, मनीष <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kazim> Google has released Android SDK under Open Handset Alliance
> today. The SDK
> Kazim> has got emulators and complete environment for development for
> the Android
> Kazim> phones.
> [snip]
>
> Probably this is what I have been waiting for all this while and the
> reason I haven't upgraded from my Nokia 3315 yet. :) Very interesting
> and thanks for sharing, but OT.
>

My apologies Kazim.  I should have read even the links.  It does rely
on Linux 2.6.

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Re: [ilugd] Android SDK Released

[मनीष]

Kazim> Google has released Android SDK under Open Handset Alliance
today. The SDK
Kazim> has got emulators and complete environment for development for
the Android
Kazim> phones.
[snip]

Probably this is what I have been waiting for all this while and the
reason I haven't upgraded from my Nokia 3315 yet. :) Very interesting
and thanks for sharing, but OT.

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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 13-Nov-07, at 10:44 AM, मनीष wrote:

>  I migrated to Debian Sid (full-time)
> in Jan '04 and kept upgrading incrementally till I bought a new
> computer a few months ago and I still follow the same routine of
> aptitude update & upgrade as and when I need or fancy.

I do the same with Mandriva - I started with mandriva2007, but now  
most of what I have seems to be 2008. Even kernel has been upgraded a  
couple of times.


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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[मनीष]

Vikas> Also, it was mentioned in a post as part of this thread how an upgrade
Vikas> gives you a system very different from a fresh install. That is indeed
Vikas> true and, in my view, a weakness that Ubuntu needs to attend
Vikas> to.

I have been watching this thread with interest.  The statement above
has intrigued me but I could not find any details/explanations around
this.  Can someone please tell in what ways will an upgraded and a
fresh installed system differ?  I migrated to Debian Sid (full-time)
in Jan '04 and kept upgrading incrementally till I bought a new
computer a few months ago and I still follow the same routine of
aptitude update & upgrade as and when I need or fancy.  I wonder if I
am missing something here.  I am just an Average Jai luser so I may
not be stressing my system enough.

Vikas> Debian would be better on this. You will never need to do a fresh
Vikas> install of a debian system because upgrade is not as good as a fresh
Vikas> install. My intention is not to get into a debian v/s ubuntu debate.

In Dec '03 my system was taken over by virii and I was looking for
recommendations for a distro when soneone on IRC said "if you want to
start easy but are willing to face difficulties later, go for $distro
but if you are willing to put in some effort in the beginning and have
it easy later, go for Debian".  I still hardly understand inernals and
intricacies but then I never needed to.

I know above might sound like flamebait but it's really not, I am just
sharing my enthusiasm for my favourite distro.

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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[मनीष]

Ankit> >Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
Ankit> >used in shell script?

Bimal> you may also take a look at "find" command with "time"
parameter, see "man find" for more details.

You mean -mtime, -atime and -ctime options?  But this will also not
give latest `created' file.
Let's hear from Ankit if he found what he was looking for.

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[ilugd] Android SDK Released

[Kazim Zaidi]

Google has released Android SDK under Open Handset Alliance today. The SDK
has got emulators and complete environment for development for the Android
phones.

Android is the open source system that shall run a variety of phones from
next year. Google and a lot of other key players in mobile industry have
come forward to develop, manufacture and market a completely free opensource
mobile platform (and mobiles).
See Open Handset Alliance website.

You can start application development for Android (a
screenshot)
in your own very sweet language Java. Google has spent a lot of time writing
Android in Java. Android has got all libraries like GSM, Bluetooth,
Messaging, and anything you can imagine for your phone.

More, there's a $10 million challenge from Google (starting January) to
develop an application for Android. They'll pay you $25000 even before you
start the project.

A Tutorial writing hello,
android.

A first hand look at building an Android application - A Youtube
Video
The video shows you how to create a contacts menu and a dialer with roughly
20 lines of code!

What is Android? 
Android Homepage 
Download the Google SDK 
The Open Handset Alliance 
The $10 Million Challenge from Google

IRC: #android on irc.freenode.net

- Kazim Zaidi
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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 12-Nov-07, at 9:21 PM, Kazim Zaidi wrote:

> Instead of ignoring or pulling legs

I resent that. I did *not* ignore - I gave a comprehensive answer to  
the question. I also did not 'pull legs' - kindly look up the  
definition of leg pulling before making statements like this.


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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 12-Nov-07, at 7:47 PM, Raj Mathur wrote:

>> [snip]
>> 4. Kenneth is right in saying that unless you improve your English
>> your search for answers is not going to be easy.
>
> I'd disagree here -- my primary complaint is with SMS-spelling, not  
> with
> the quality of English.  I'm only a spelling Nazi, not a Grammar- or
> Language-Nazi :)

I agree - if you check international mailing lists, you find lots of  
grammatical mistakes from non-english speakers. No one bothers about  
it unless the meaning is not clear. And even then, there are no  
flames, only an attempt to get at the meaning. And, when I see SMS  
stuff on an international list, I know that the poster is from India.  
And not only on mailing lists - I have had a job application saying  
'i wan 2 work in ur valble institution, plz grant me interview'. (He  
got the job, but only after his application was reworded appropriately).


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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Vikas Rawal]

> For me, the configuration takes about a week. To have a list of
> packages, I usually

Upgrading takes a few hours if you have a good/cheap internet
connection. I understand that you can use the alternate-ubuntu-cd to
upgrade without needing to download everything while upgrading. I
haven't tried this myself though.

In my experience, upgrades do not normally break. And if they do,
Ubuntu fora provide plenty of support.

In fact, I have had a situation when Feisty did not install, but I was
able to upgrade from the previous version.

Vikas



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[ilugd] freenet6 - an IPv6 tunnel client packaged for Fedora 7

[आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla]

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Hi,

I've packaged freenet6 tunnel client[1] for Fedora 7[2]. I've only
packaged it for AMD64 architecture, anyone running IA32 can simply
build the RPM from SRPM.

Using freenet6 tunnel client, one can connect to the IPv6 internet.
This client runs in two modes, 'host' mode where user receives a single
/128 address and 'router' mode, where user is delegated an /64 or /48
prefix, which can be advertised in his network providing IPv6
connectivity to all members of network. One needs to register with
http://go6.net/ to recieve a static allocation. If trying to connect
anonymously (i.e. without registration or simply with no explicit
configuration) one will receive a dynamic IPv6 address.

The mails which we (ilugd subscribers) recieve from ilugd list are
also relayed from an IPv6 network.

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You can even post to ilugd mailing list over IPv6 :) .

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Users of later versions of Fedora, can simply rebuild the RPM from the
SRPM provided. The freenet6 is also available in repositories of other
distros also, e.g. in FreeBSD ports available at "net/freenet6", in
Gentoo portage available at "net-misc/freenet6", etc.

References:
[1] - http://go6.net/4105/description.asp?product_id=169&category_id=276
[2] - http://wahjava.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/freenet6-on-fedora-7/

HTH,
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[ilugd] how to get latest created file

[bimal pandit]

Dear Ankit,
 
>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:25 +0530
> From: "ankIT WALiA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [ilugd] how to get latest created file
>To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
>Message-ID:
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
>used in shell script?
>
>Thanks & Rgds
>Ankit
>

you may also take a look at "find" command with "time" parameter, see "man 
find" for more details.

hope this will help you.

regards,

Bimal Pandit
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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla]

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,--[ On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 04:20:54PM +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
| ankIT WALiA wrote:
| > Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
| > used in shell script?
| > 
| 
| iNotify ?

inotify will throw events, one has to listen to it. I think OP just
wanted to get latest created file in a directory, not to listen for
files creation events.
 
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HTH
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Re: [ilugd] [OT] $share_fedora_8_iso if $planning_to_download && $living_near_DELHI_metro_station

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,--[ On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 12:07:30AM +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
| Anupam Jain wrote:
| > On Nov 11, 2007 8:37 PM, Manmohan Sethi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > 
| >> Hello Sir,
| >>
| >> My Name is Manmohan Sethi, I have purchased a New Laptop Compaq
| >> Persario V6608AU and I am finding it difficult to load Ubuntu 7.04 on
| >> it. Hence I am looking for Fedora 8 DVD. If you can provide that DVD
| >> then I will be greatful to you. Please tell me how I can contact you
| >> in Gurgoan.
| >>
| > 
| > Rather than give up on Ubuntu I suggest posting the issues you are facing
| > here on this list so that people can help you. There is no reason to believe
| > that Fedora will easily install on a computer which Ubuntu does not support.
| > 
| 
| I might disagree :D
| 
| Fedora8 loads and works fine on a colleagues desktop machine - that 
| Ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 refused to complete booting with.

I've an Intel D945GNTL mobo which has all the hardware currently supported in
GNU/Linux, and even in FreeBSD 7.0-BETA1.5. And I used to run F-7
(amd64) with no issues, but since I've installed F-8 (amd64), I'm not
able to boot into it. I've reported the issue at Redhat Bugzilla[1].

So, if anyone got similar error, please report.

[1] - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/long_list.cgi?id=374521

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Re: [ilugd] MTNL modem USB support

[Sahil Dave]

On Nov 12, 2007 9:52 PM, Kazim Zaidi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 19/10/2007, Sahil Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Sahil, did you get the problem solved. A friend of mine today asked the
> same
>
> question, and so I was able to run his MTNL modem using USB.
>
> You may've to try
>   /sbin/modprobe cdc-ether
>
> And if you see the message "usb 2-2: No configuration chosen from ...
> choices"
> in dmesg output, then try configuration 1,
>   echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2/bConfigurationValue
> Replace 2-2 with the actual number you see in dmesg output.
>
> Using these commands, a new interface eth1 was enabled as
> CDC USB Ethernet.
>

thanx for the  info. kazim,  but  fortunately  i have replaces almost
everything in my pc now.
so i am using ethernet connection in fiesty.
but i'll try to connect thru usb, and do wat u have said..
i hope this helps me and others who faced a similar problem..



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Re: [ilugd] MTNL modem USB support

[Kazim Zaidi]

On 19/10/2007, Sahil Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

> but like in thought its stuck in linux( ubuntu 7.04).. doesn't even detect
> some usb device connected..
> however it auto detects and mounts my other usb devices (pen drives, card
> readers, etc)
>
> is there some way i can resolve this..??
>
Sahil, did you get the problem solved. A friend of mine today asked the same

question, and so I was able to run his MTNL modem using USB.

You may've to try
   /sbin/modprobe cdc-ether

And if you see the message "usb 2-2: No configuration chosen from ...
choices"
in dmesg output, then try configuration 1,
   echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2/bConfigurationValue
Replace 2-2 with the actual number you see in dmesg output.

Using these commands, a new interface eth1 was enabled as
CDC USB Ethernet.

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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Karanbir Singh]

Sumit Kumar wrote:
> hello everyone .
> I just wanna have ur opinion about what would u use as MTA if u were
> an ISP with about 15000 users. In respect of QMAIL and POSTFIX.
> 

exim ?

it will give you a much better feature matrix, a more robust security 
model and fantastic functionality and flexibility when you need it 
without the overhead of sendmails complex setup and management cruft.

If you havent already, take a look at Exim. seriously.

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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[Karanbir Singh]

ankIT WALiA wrote:
> Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
> used in shell script?
> 

iNotify ?

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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Kazim Zaidi]

On 12/11/2007, Vikas Rawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > There's nothing really wrong with that distribution cycle. In fact, time
> > based release cycle is a good balance between features and quality.
> > If you're not able to keep pace with the releases, know that they are
> > supported for 18 months. And the LTS (like Dapper Drake) are supported
> > for 18 months.
>
>
> I could be wrong, and if I am, please do correct me. LTS is supported
> for 18 months. Releases in between are supported for 6 months (isn't
> it).


Well, I quoted that  from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases .  They assert
that LTS is for 3 years.

Also, my experience has been that in case of upgrading (as against fresh
> installation), you have to upgrade to the immediate next release. So
> you would not be able to upgrade from dapper to feisty directly. You
> would have to first upgrade to edgy and then to feisty. Similarly, you
> could upgrade to gutsy only from feisty. There is no way that I know
> of upgrading from edgy to gutsy directly.


You're absolutely right. Like Niyam, I don't upgrade at all. I would do
a fresh installation of Feisty or Grumpy. Upgrades have not been very
successful, many break. And even when upgrading you've to download
a lot. So why not just have a new installation.

Fresh installation would mean that I have to configure all the
> software all over again: postfix, mysql, apacheIt would be a
> really long list, and would take me quite a few days to implement.


For me, the configuration takes about a week. To have a list of
packages, I usually
- (On old system) dpkg --get-selections > ~/myinstalls
- Save the myinstalls file
- ((On new system) dpkg --set-selections < myinstalls
- (On new system) sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
This relieves me from the pain of reinstalling everything again
manually. Hope it helps someone.

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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[Saleem Ansari]

On Nov 12, 2007 5:34 PM, Saleem Ansari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 5:13 PM, ankIT WALiA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
> > used in shell script?
> >
>
> I believe this will work, but only in current directory ( not recursively
> )
>
> ls -l | grep -v '^total' | tr -s " " ' ' | sort -t ' ' -k 6,7 | tail -1 |
> cut -f 8 -d' '
>
>

Yet again, here is a Ruby one liner:

ruby -e 'puts Dir["./**/*"].delete_if { |f| File.directory?(f) }.sort_by {
|f| File.mtime(f) } [ -1 ]'

Also that it works recursively.

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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Kazim Zaidi]

On 12/11/2007, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

> Lack of familiarity with a language is not the same as laziness when
> typing a mail in.  WTH, explain your problem in Hindi if you want, just
> explain properly ;)
>
> Regards,
> -- Raju
>
The problem is, that people who've not been familiar to linux mailing lists
and IRC rooms, often consider replacing "you" with "u" as the smartest  way
to talk.
But communities like LUGs and developer-groups hate the usage of l33t-sp33k.
Instead of ignoring or pulling legs, a simple reminder about correct usage
of
english and a link to Usage guidelines should be enough in most of the
cases.

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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Vikas Rawal]

> LTS is Long Term Support - therefore, LTS (U/Kubuntu
> 6.06 is supported upto 2009 (36 months) for security
> (and other) updates fro the desktop edition, whereas
> the server edition is supported upto 2011 (5 years).

What does "support" refer to? That Ubuntu provides security patches
etc. for this period?

The problem still remains that a lot of software gets outdated sooner
than the "long-term" and later versions accessible only through
backports.

I would not want to use 6.06 until 2009, when later and hugely
improved versions of various packages and ubuntu itself are available.

A user has two options: use a long-term version which has a
release cycle of 3/5 years or use short-term versions which have a
release cycle of 6 months. 

Let me reiterate my view: Ubuntu needs medium-term releases with a
more liberal upgrading policy in between these releases. These
medium-term releases should replace the present 6-monthly releases.

Also, it was mentioned in a post as part of this thread how an upgrade
gives you a system very different from a fresh install. That is indeed
true and, in my view, a weakness that Ubuntu needs to attend
to. Debian would be better on this. You will never need to do a fresh
install of a debian system because upgrade is not as good as a fresh
install. My intention is not to get into a debian v/s ubuntu debate.

Vikas

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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[Raj Mathur]

On Monday 12 November 2007 17:13, ankIT WALiA wrote:
> Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to
> be used in shell script?

If you want the last file whose inode was modified (which is usually the 
same as the last file created):

ls -c | head -1

P.S. *nix has ``directories'', not ``folders'' ;)

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Raj Mathur]

On Monday 12 November 2007 16:31, Sriram J wrote:
> [snip]
> 4. Kenneth is right in saying that unless you improve your English
> your search for answers is not going to be easy.

I'd disagree here -- my primary complaint is with SMS-spelling, not with 
the quality of English.  I'm only a spelling Nazi, not a Grammar- or 
Language-Nazi :)

If your English is bad, it doesn't matter -- please post to the list and 
your message will be read and hopefully answered.  However, whether you 
use good English or bad, please do NOT use ``u'' for ``you'' and 
similar abbreviations -- that will just put off people who may 
otherwise want to read your mail.

Lack of familiarity with a language is not the same as laziness when 
typing a mail in.  WTH, explain your problem in Hindi if you want, just 
explain properly ;)

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Roshan]

--- Vikas Rawal wrote:

> I could be wrong, and if I am, please do correct me.
> LTS is supported
> for 18 months. 

[snip...]

LTS is Long Term Support - therefore, LTS (U/Kubuntu
6.06 is supported upto 2009 (36 months) for security
(and other) updates fro the desktop edition, whereas
the server edition is supported upto 2011 (5 years).

BTW, did you have packages on Ubuntu 7.04 other than
the default ones?

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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[मनीष]

On Nov 12, 2007 6:00 PM, मनीष <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2007 5:13 PM, ankIT WALiA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
> > used in shell script?
> >
>
> Try this:
>
> getLatestFile(){
> if [ $# -eq 1 ]; then
>   ls -tr $1 | tail -1
> else
>   echo "usage: getLatestFile "
> fi
> }
>
> ex.
> $ getLatestFile ~
> $ getLatestFile .
> $ getLatestFile /tmp
>

Gora> Well, you can't get the time of creation of a file, as that is
Gora> not stored. You can get various other times, such as the time
Gora> of modification, time of access (unless this has been turned off
Gora> at the filesystem level), and time of modification of file status.

@Ankit, Gora is right, file creation time is not stored.  What above
code gives you is the latest `modified' (not necessarily created)
file.

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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[Gora Mohanty]

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 17:34 +0530, Saleem Ansari wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2007 5:13 PM, ankIT WALiA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
> > used in shell script?

Well, you can't get the time of creation of a file, as that is
not stored. You can get various other times, such as the time
of modification, time of access (unless this has been turned off
at the filesystem level), and time of modification of file status.

> I believe this will work, but only in current directory ( not recursively )
> 
> ls -l | grep -v '^total' | tr -s " " ' ' | sort -t ' ' -k 6,7 | tail -1 |
> cut -f 8 -d' '

Eek, try,
 ls -lr | tail -1
for time of last access. See "ls -t", and "ls -c" for other times.

Regards,
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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[मनीष]

On Nov 12, 2007 5:13 PM, ankIT WALiA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
> used in shell script?
>

Try this:

getLatestFile(){
if [ $# -eq 1 ]; then
  ls -tr $1 | tail -1
else
  echo "usage: getLatestFile "
fi
}

ex.
$ getLatestFile ~
$ getLatestFile .
$ getLatestFile /tmp

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Re: [ilugd] Cannot upgrade ubuntu from fiesty fawn(7.04) to Gutsy Gibbon(7.10)

[Vikas Rawal]

> There's nothing really wrong with that distribution cycle. In fact, time
> based release cycle is a good balance between features and quality.
> If you're not able to keep pace with the releases, know that they are
> supported for 18 months. And the LTS (like Dapper Drake) are supported
> for 18 months.


I could be wrong, and if I am, please do correct me. LTS is supported
for 18 months. Releases in between are supported for 6 months (isn't
it). Also, my experience has been that in case of upgrading (as against fresh
installation), you have to upgrade to the immediate next release. So
you would not be able to upgrade from dapper to feisty directly. You
would have to first upgrade to edgy and then to feisty. Similarly, you
could upgrade to gutsy only from feisty. There is no way that I know
of upgrading from edgy to gutsy directly.

Fresh installation would mean that I have to configure all the
software all over again: postfix, mysql, apacheIt would be a
really long list, and would take me quite a few days to implement.


For now, I am okay upgrading every six months.

Somewhat unrelated: I recently upgraded our department server from debian
sarge to debian etch without any trouble and almost without
discontinuing its services. It was really nice to see it happen so
smoothly!!

Vikas





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Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file

[Saleem Ansari]

On Nov 12, 2007 5:13 PM, ankIT WALiA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
> used in shell script?
>

I believe this will work, but only in current directory ( not recursively )

ls -l | grep -v '^total' | tr -s " " ' ' | sort -t ' ' -k 6,7 | tail -1 |
cut -f 8 -d' '


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[ilugd] how to get latest created file

[ankIT WALiA]

Can anyone tell me, how to get latest created file from a folder to be
used in shell script?

Thanks & Rgds
Ankit

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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Sriram J]

On 11/12/07, Sumit Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr Kenneth Gonsalves
>  If any one have some
> queries or will have some sharing info that could not be share in
> ilugd it's only because of, like you people. I don't know why you
> people taking more interest to pulling the leg instead try to help.
> And for your kind information you are not my teacher or guardian or my
> ideal to decide that whether i will be successful or not. so I will be
> advice you don't try to be smart and keep your opinion limit at your
> own.


1. What language you ask your question in is  very important.
2. the above text  is not easily understandable and is more hilarious than
helpful.
"I will be advice" is a case in point.
3. Please read your mail once after typing or show it to some one else so
your potential audience is not
inconvenienced
4. Kenneth is right in saying that unless you improve your English your
search for answers is not going to be easy.

One final point he did not say RTFM or ask you to google so there is no need
to flame him.
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Re: [ilugd] archives

[Raj Mathur]

On Monday 12 November 2007 10:45, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> [snip]
> ok - lets reframe the whole thing. Assume that you are a n00b who
> wants to access the archives of the delhi mailing list. You go to the
> ilugd website. You click mailing lists. You choose the mailing list
> you want. You click the link. You go to the link. You click archives.
> You dont get the archives.

Fixed.  Thanks for the heads-up.

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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Raj Mathur]

On Monday 12 November 2007 12:32, Sumit Kumar wrote:
> [snip]
> Dear Mr Kenneth Gonsalves
>   If any one have some
> queries or will have some sharing info that could not be share in
> ilugd it's only because of, like you people. I don't know why you
> people taking more interest to pulling the leg instead try to help.
> And for your kind information you are not my teacher or guardian or
> my ideal to decide that whether i will be successful or not. so I
> will be advice you don't try to be smart and keep your opinion limit
> at your own.

If you're participating in a FREE forum on which you ask for help, at no 
charge, is it too much to ask that you adhere to the rules of that 
forum?  Please read the mailing list guidelines on SMS- and l33t-sp33k 
usage in this mailing list.

Apart from the guidelines, I personally avoid answering any questions 
asked by someone who can't be bothered to spell out the question in a 
form that makes it easy for me to read.  If you're writing only for 
yourself, please go ahead and use whatever language you choose.  If you 
are writing for other people to read, please make it easy for them to 
read it.

f u cn rd ths u r 2 df 2 nn fr hng @ wst lk!!!11

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 12-Nov-07, at 2:10 PM, rajnish kumar wrote:

> active development and qmail has limited support for LMTP.  Postfix
> does have it's quirks, and Wietse is sometimes less than willing to
> add new things to postfix that people want.  However, they do
> eventually get added, once Wietse comes up with a system that he
> likes.

postfix - unlike qmail - is foss, even if Wietse doesnt do something,  
one can tweak it oneself.


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Re: [ilugd] best MTA for an ISP

[rajnish kumar]

On Nov 11, 2007 11:32 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12-Nov-07, at 12:56 PM, balwant singh wrote:
>
> > Yes he is right, the person who is showing his courage by asking a
> > question should be replied properly.
>
> it was replied properly - or can you suggest a better reply?
>
> > He should feel that we are
> > advising him not doing leg pulling.
>
> where is the leg pulling? If you use sms speak on foss mailing lists,
> you will not get answers to your questions. People will not respect
> you if you dont observe netiquette.
>
> >   This is my personal opinion.
>
> your opinion is wrong
>
>
> --
> regards
>
> Kenneth Gonsalves
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I think we have to try to resolve issue's if any one in trouble
instead of leg pulling and this is not the serious issue whether he is
using abbreviation or complete words.
As per my opinion --

I recently moved a sizeable system from qmail to postfix.  While qmail
is a fine MTA, we were running into its limitations.  The main
objection I have to it is that it's stagnant.  The last official
release was over 10 years ago, and any advances in MTA technology since
then has to be implemented as a patch.  This includes SMTP AUTH, SSL,
SQL aliasing, and many of the common anti-spam tactics.  After a
while, the whole thing gets quite unwieldy, especially when you have
conflicting patches.  We also had large problems with qmail's
"everything goes in the queue" architecture.  A vanilla qmail install
accepts every mail that is sent to it, even those that are to
non-existent users.  No mail is rejected at smtp time.  This means
that the queue is always full of bounce message to non-existent
senders.  Also, when you get hit with a mail bomb, the messages in the
queue end up delaying new incoming messages, even after the mail-bomb
has stopped.  Performance on the queue disk can become a substantial
bottleneck.  Still, it's a fine mailer once you get your mind around
how it works.

We switched to postfix primarily because I wanted a MTA that was under
active development and qmail has limited support for LMTP.  Postfix
does have it's quirks, and Wietse is sometimes less than willing to
add new things to postfix that people want.  However, they do
eventually get added, once Wietse comes up with a system that he
likes.

with regds
rajnish

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