[ilugd] Fwd: [Free Map] Free and Open Mapping India, A Series of Workshops in February 2008

[Nagarjuna G.]

please read this announcement, and if you want to be part of this,
please subscribe to the list so that we can take it forward.

http://freemap.in/pipermail/freemap-workshop/2007-December/000150.html

Also request you to spread the information.  please help us to raise
some funds as well so that this event will take off. donations can be
sent to Free Software Foundation of India.

Nagarjuna

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Re: [ilugd] Help needed to locate online resource: Royalty Free Photos

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:48:43 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:  

> CC Attrib 3.0 still doesn't permit downstream versions to be
> distributed under any device with DRM-like features. debian-legal@
> insists that there shall be absolutely no hindrances to downstream
> distribution, including well-intentioned hindrances like anti-DRM
> clauses(their arguments being fair-use situations like encrypted
> filesystems etc.).  CC's coalition partners insist that anti-DRM
> clauses should not be removed.

So CC folk think that these materials can not be downloaded to
 encrypted file systems? (I confess I am not following the debate).

How about chmod 600 file.png? Is that a DRM feature?

How about chmod 660 file.png, so only people in a privileged
 group can see the picture.  Is this DRM like? 

> As an individual, I have every right to take my own position, and I
> consider the current "stand-off" between debian-legal@ and CC really
> sad. In my view both of them are on the same side, with similar
> intentions.

> If I was a machine(or a lawyer), I would have said "Not DFSG
> compatible!  CC bad!". But I am a human, and I can make out
> intentions. If you take the case of encrypted filesystems, whose right
> is debian-legal@ defending? People who break into other's hard disk
> and try to snoop on others data?

Hmm? It seems to me that debian-legal is defending my right,
 since I have my laptop fully encrypted, then I can't put CC material on
 it (since only people authorized to read the drive can access the
 material -- DRM!!)

If the DRM clauses are written unclearly enough that I can't
 download the material on my laptop (which is fully encrypted, aside
 from a smallish /boot), then the license, in my eyes, is clearly
 non-free.

What am I missing?

> DFSG is an excellent and noble document. But it currently cannot catch
> these intention related issues. I would take it as my definitive and
> serious guideline when confronted with FOSS values issues. But still
> just as a guideline.

> But again, please forgive my ranting about DFSG and
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is just not restricted to Debian and DFSG. There
> have been similar frequent issues with licence incompatibility in the
> FOSS world before, explained very well at
> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5709

> In each such situations, it is upto the author to take a stand on what
> his intention is, what his values are and what compromises he can live
> with. Right now, I consider CC Attrib 3.0 to be my preferred licence
> to share my photos, text and other content, and I would recommend
> other like minded folks to do so, unless they are okay with the
> public-domain licence(the free-er the licence, the better for the
> commons).

That is sad, since I can no longer view these pictures, since my
 device, my laptop, as the trusted computing hardware, and  has a fully
 encrypted hard drive, and uses mandatory access controls to enforce
 security policy.  If these are DRM features (I can make sure that only
 authorized people can see documents on my machine)

I do need to go back and see what is currently deemed a DRM
 device.

manoj
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur wrote:

>> Is it true that wav and mp3 are
>> considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I
>> am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
>> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.
>
> MP3 isn't proprietary, at least not in India.  Other countries that  
> have
> software patents may have issues, but then should we care about ``the
> rest of the world''? ;)

so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3?


-- 
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Associate, NRC-FOSS
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[ilugd] ACER doing 'seva'

[Mani A]

I bought this Aspire 4520 laptop. On the sealed carton too it says
that the OS loaded is Linpus Linux... however it is preloaded with an
OEM version of winxp SP2 + M$office2003  (not trial). Otherwise
everything is OK. The user manual is a common one for models with XP
and there are Linpus Linux License statements too. .. and there are no
XP stickers anywhere.

The product in question is
http://www.acer.co.in/products/product_explore_view.asp?pid=61&model=Aspire%204520%20Series&cid=5

The sales/technical personnel at the shop have no idea. I have asked
for a refund of the License fees charged from ACER


Best

A. Mani


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Re: [ilugd] Help needed to locate online resource: Royalty Free Photos

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:07:38 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:  
> 
>> Could you point me to some good references which discusses the issues
>> FOSS purists find with Creative Commons, and which you find convincing
>> enough?
> 
> Foss purists? It does not advance your cause to use loaded
>  phrases like that; it implies you have much vitriol and little
>  substance to back your views.

It is not a loaded phrase. I meant it. I will explain my reason below.
It is up to you to take it in a negative manner or not, but it need not
be the intention I had. I should point out that idealists who do not
compromise on their values/intentions have always been admired (and
criticized) in history, and I consider DFSG purists to be admirable
idealists(RMS/FSF being another example that comes to my mind).

> Debian does not consider these licenses as free. If you are
>  truly interested in why we think so, here is a reference:
>http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html

Thank you for this reference. I had read the discussion before, but it
was good to read the authoritative source. I read this and other views
on the subject, and it helped me a lot to get the correct perspective.
My earlier (mis)conception that CC Attribution (versions before 3.0) was
similar to BSD/Apache, proved to be a bit out of place. It turns out
that ambiguity in terms of that licence could prove to be a problem in
real life cases.

> Hopefully, version 3.0 of CC licenses will be free.  We shall
>  see how that goes.

Version 3.0 is out, and most of DFSG's arguments against CC-Attrib
(especially the ambiguous credit withdrawal clause) are reported to be
fixed. (I must confess I didn't read it myself. I have this strange
aversion to the EBNF-like licence legalese). Anyway, the only current
problem of debian-legal@ against CC is the anti-DRM clause and this is
where my point of ideological purism lies.

CC Attrib 3.0 still doesn't permit downstream versions to be distributed
under any device with DRM-like features. debian-legal@ insists that
there shall be absolutely no hindrances to downstream distribution,
including well-intentioned hindrances like anti-DRM clauses(their
arguments being fair-use situations like encrypted filesystems etc.).
CC's coalition partners insist that anti-DRM clauses should not be removed.

As an individual, I have every right to take my own position, and I
consider the current "stand-off" between debian-legal@ and CC really
sad. In my view both of them are on the same side, with similar intentions.

If I was a machine(or a lawyer), I would have said "Not DFSG compatible!
CC bad!". But I am a human, and I can make out intentions. If you take
the case of encrypted filesystems, whose right is debian-legal@
defending? People who break into other's hard disk and try to snoop on
others data?

DFSG is an excellent and noble document. But it currently cannot catch
these intention related issues. I would take it as my definitive and
serious guideline when confronted with FOSS values issues. But still
just as a guideline.

But again, please forgive my ranting about DFSG and [EMAIL PROTECTED] This
is just not restricted to Debian and DFSG. There have been similar
frequent issues with licence incompatibility in the FOSS world before,
explained very well at http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5709

In each such situations, it is upto the author to take a stand on what
his intention is, what his values are and what compromises he can live
with. Right now, I consider CC Attrib 3.0 to be my preferred licence to
share my photos, text and other content, and I would recommend other
like minded folks to do so, unless they are okay with the public-domain
licence(the free-er the licence, the better for the commons).

BTW, Yesterday wikipedia announced that "the Wikimedia Foundation Board
has agreed with a proposal made by the Free Software Foundation that
will permit Wikipedia (and other such wikis) to relicense under a
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license."

http://lessig.org/blog/2007/12/some_important_news_from_wikip.html

- Sandip


> 
>> As far as non-"freeware" royalty free content is concerned it would
>> probably be better to stick to Creative Commons related resources, as
>> alternative FOSS licences are both not as popular and neither as
>> unambiguous. Just my point of view.
> 
> Th relevant issue when peaking in a free software context is not
>  whether things are no cost, but whether adequate freedoms are
>  associated with the work.
> 
> If all you care about is money,  then of course you are
>  correct.  If your interest is in freedom, then what you stated misses
>  the mark by a mile.


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Linux Lingam wrote:

> by the way, that ear-training tip really works. here's what i recommend:
> before you set out to buy any audio gear, spend about a week or atleast 21
> days with solfege, the gpl ear-training software. say about 30 minutes a
> day. you may spend more time if you wish. for those 21 days, pick up an
> acoustically rich piece of music as your reference point. listen to that
> piece at least twice or thrice every day until you can know every subtle
> nuance by memory. don't bother using highly-compressed mp3 or other
> file-formats. pick a pristine-quality wav file, or an original audiocd or
> audio-dvd. [i mean audio-dvd, not a data dvd crammed with hissy mp3 files].
> 
> finally, discard the hypnotism of brand-faith and loyalty. take your
> reference musicfile, and go test the audio-gear. you'll always be startled
> at your choices. like me, you may just develop reverence and deep
> appreciation for one of the finest foss utility software i know out there:
> solfege. it's not just zero-price, but priceless.
> 
> last week i spent 5 hours in various outlets with a friend, testing portable
> speakers for my mp3player. you gotta hear the stuff i brought home. no other
> customer in the shop was even glancing at it. the shop-manager was quite
> clueless about its capabilities. by the way, bought it so i could listen to
> some music in my room in bangalore, through foss.in next week. so those of
> you attending foss.in and interested to prick your ears to its sound, buzz
> me. you'd appreciate it even more if you muck around with solfege and have a
> reference file.
> 

So which speakers did you finally end up buying? Thanks for the Solfege
tip. The audio bug bit me recently, and after quite a sharp learning
curve over a weekend I ended up buying gear whose brands I had not heard
till about a week before. I am planning to buy an additional pair of
speakers, and this is the kind of tip I was looking out for to make my
decision.

Niyam, keep posting audio related FOSS tips from time to time out here.
:) And yes, I will buzz you at foss.in too.

Thanks,
  Sandip


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Re: [ilugd] glibc2.6.1 problem - Urgent!

[आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla]

,--[ On Sunday 02 Dec 2007, Yashpal Nagar wrote:

[...]

| I boot the system with Ubuntu x86_64, Live CD, and mounted the root file
| system (/dev/cciss/c0d0p4) and found ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 was already
| present.
| # ls /mnt1/lib64/ld-*
| ld-2.3.3.so
| ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
| ld-lsb-x86-64.so.1

so, probably your libc.so.* was lost.

| Then i just copied all the /lib/* and /lib64/* from another system, Then
| i rebooted and found the above error

I think he asked you to copy only /lib{,64}/libc.so.*, not 
complete /lib{,64}/* . And it'll be better if you rsync-ed, so that symlinks 
will copied as symlinks.

[...]

| The issue is I still have two boxes with glibc-2.3.3 and glibc-2.6.1
| installed
|
| host3:/ # rpm -qa|grep -i glib
| glibc-i18ndata-2.3.3-98.61
| glibc-32bit-9-200512100800
| glibc-locale-32bit-9-200512100801
| glibc-2.6.1-18
| glibc-locale-2.3.3-98.61
| glib-32bit-9-200501041713
| glibc-info-2.3.3-98.61
| glibc-devel-2.3.3-98.61
| glibc-devel-32bit-9-200512100801
| glib-1.2.10-586.2
| glibc-2.3.3-98.61
| glib2-2.2.3-117.2
| glib2-32bit-9-200507121454
| glibc-2.4-31.2
|
| Could anyone help, to properly remove glibc-2.6.1 ?

I've no experience of SLES, but do they've some convention of naming 32-bit 
packages on amd64 architecture with '32bit' in their names, hmm... ? Paste 
the output of following command:

% rpm --qf '%{name}.%{arch}\n' -qa

You've three (or four) versions of glibc installed. And, BtW, what error do 
you get when you try to remove 'glibc-2.6.1' ?

|
| Thanks a lot for your patience :)
|
| Best regards,
| Yash

HTH
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Re: [ilugd] glibc2.6.1 problem - Urgent!

[Yashpal Nagar]

Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> -
> | What after that, should i go and re-install glibc-2.3.3 along with its
> | dependent packages or it is not required ?
> \--
>
> When you are able to log into the system, just use it. libc is what
> you have restored back by copying. Why do you want to re-install?
>
>   
I boot the system with Ubuntu x86_64, Live CD, and mounted the root file 
system (/dev/cciss/c0d0p4) and found ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 was already 
present.
# ls /mnt1/lib64/ld-*
ld-2.3.3.so
ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
ld-lsb-x86-64.so.1

Then i just copied all the /lib/* and /lib64/* from another system, Then 
i rebooted and found the above error
# boot errors###
blogd: no message logging because /var file system is not accessible
Boot logging started on /dev/tty1(/dev/console) at Thu Nov 29 13:36:25 2007
Master Resource Control: previous runlevel: N, switching to runlevel:3
Master Resource Control: runlevel 3 has beenreached
blogd: no message logging because /var file system is not accessible
###

As we had to power down the system (we could't issue any shutdown 
commands), i thought it might be beacuse FS might have a problem and 
require manual fsck'ing. Again booted the system with Ubuntu Live CD and 
run fsck.ext3, e2fsck on all slices, checked the *free file system size, 
which was ok, and then again try to boot the system. But no luck same 
error as above given.

This time booted the system with SLES 9.0 SP3  and run rescue,  and run 
fsck.ext3/e2fsck once again on all slices inlcuding /var 
(/dev/cciss/c0d0p6), but same error, this time i also verified 
/etc/fstab also which appeared to be Ok. Then i move ahead and try to 
use the "Repair Installed System" option available in the SLES. All the 
system verification tests passed except that, some of the package could 
not verified, i tried to repair them (which cause them to re-install), 
but installation of many of the programs failed!

By this time i had a very little hope, time was running away, as this is 
a key production training system. I started moving the application 
installation data (installed under (/) FS) to another slices 
(/dev/cciss/c0d1). Fortunately i had, two big slices (/dev/cciss/c0d1p1 
/ /dev/cciss/c0d1p2) RAID5, where I moved, most of the data from 
/dev/cciss/c0d0/p*.  I thought not to format any OS slices ( / , /var, 
/usr) and just re-install SLES 9. But all goes fine except during the 
RPMs installation the same RPMs (which failed during Repair option) got 
failed again, to install.  Since i had already taken backup,  i 
re-installed the SLES, with format option :(

The issue is I still have two boxes with glibc-2.3.3 and glibc-2.6.1 
installed

host3:/ # rpm -qa|grep -i glib
glibc-i18ndata-2.3.3-98.61
glibc-32bit-9-200512100800
glibc-locale-32bit-9-200512100801
glibc-2.6.1-18
glibc-locale-2.3.3-98.61
glib-32bit-9-200501041713
glibc-info-2.3.3-98.61
glibc-devel-2.3.3-98.61
glibc-devel-32bit-9-200512100801
glib-1.2.10-586.2
glibc-2.3.3-98.61
glib2-2.2.3-117.2
glib2-32bit-9-200507121454
glibc-2.4-31.2

Could anyone help, to properly remove glibc-2.6.1 ?

Thanks a lot for your patience :)

Best regards,
Yash












 













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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kazim Zaidi]

On 01/12/2007, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> DRM-friendly company.


like Creative Zen series? Uses MTP and works out of the box when connected
to USB
using gnomad2. Its just great!

- Kazim Zaidi
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:47:58 +0530, Linux Lingam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:  

>> I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did have to
>> build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays oggs. Works
>> as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?

> awesome! manoj, i know what more one can ask.

> a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!  yea!
> you've been volunteered.  i suppose the next meet will be the third
> week of dec, though have heard danese cooper is here perhaps on 11dec
> with a special meet with ilug-d, open to all who wish to attend.

> gora mohanty has an announcement to make on this, yeah?  :-) niyam

ell,, I'd love to give a talk, but it might be a year or so
 before I am in Delhi again (The last couple of visits to India I _have_
 indeed flown in through Delhi). In the meanwhile, I'll try looking over
 my old notes and see if I can blog about how I created a gcc cross
 compiler to compile rockbox sources with patches (I applied the album
 art patch).

manoj
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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Raj Mathur]

On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> [snip]
> the target audience is anyone  who wants to learn any Indian
> language. Unfortunately we are a foss organisation, so cannot use
> non- free stuff - so we are in the soup. I am strongly tempted to use
> wav or something which the janata can use. But if we do that - aren't
> we throwing in the towel? On the other hand, seeing the discussion on
> this and every other mailing list on how the faithful are happily
> listening to mp3 and wav files I suddenly wondered why not us too?

Might be easier for people if you give both options on the page: play 
the sound inline and download the .ogg.  Most browsers will offer to 
play a downloadable file with an media player anyway.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Raj Mathur]

On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> [snip]
> Is it true that wav and mp3 are 
> considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I
> am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.

MP3 isn't proprietary, at least not in India.  Other countries that have 
software patents may have issues, but then should we care about ``the 
rest of the world''? ;)

Regards,

-- Raju
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[ilugd] [OT] cygwin+gnus+gmail.. anyone?

[Manish]

Is anyone been able to setup cygwin+gnus+gmail (with IMAP)
successfully (receiving AND sending)?

-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Manish]

On Dec 1, 2007 5:18 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01-Dec-07, at 4:16 PM, Manish wrote:
>
> >> I meant, can't play ogg from the website. Yes, it is weird. In my
> >> mac, firefox hangs and has to be killed when it accesses that site.
> >
> > I kinda liked the website's purpose.  But who's the target audience
> > given that it works only some specific OS's with specific browsers
> > with specific plugins (this is understandable due to ogg).. or may be
> > it is just a proof-of-concept/demo or have I missed the idea
> > completely?
>
> the target audience is anyone  who wants to learn any Indian
> language. Unfortunately we are a foss organisation, so cannot use non-
> free stuff - so we are in the soup. I am strongly tempted to use wav
> or something which the janata can use. But if we do that - aren't we
> throwing in the towel? On the other hand, seeing the discussion on
> this and every other mailing list on how the faithful are happily
> listening to mp3 and wav files I suddenly wondered why not us too?

For the same resons you did in the first place.  Not everybody has the
patience and conviction to follow through on such difficult
endaevours.

Now we can't afford for everyone to take the easy way out, can we. ;-)

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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Vikas Rawal]

> >> this and every other mailing list on how the faithful are happily
> >> listening to mp3 and wav files I suddenly wondered why not us too?
> >
> > How do you get your ogg files? Aren't they encoded from wav files?
> > That is, how do you directly generate ogg files? I do not know much on
> > this but I thought mp3 and ogg were two different ways of encoding wav
> > files.
> 
> we record in audacity and select save as ogg - more than that I dont  
> know.

In that case, you are perhaps recording as wav and then encoding it as
ogg.

Niyam, is that right?

Also, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV

Vikas

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Saleem Ansari]

>
>I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did
>  have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays
>  oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?
>
>manoj
>

Hey,
Just installed rockbox ( www.rockbox.org ) on my Ipod Video (30GB, 5th
Generation ). Rockbox simply rocks!

Installation is pretty straightforward.

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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 5:33 PM, Vikas Rawal wrote:

>> this and every other mailing list on how the faithful are happily
>> listening to mp3 and wav files I suddenly wondered why not us too?
>
> How do you get your ogg files? Aren't they encoded from wav files?
> That is, how do you directly generate ogg files? I do not know much on
> this but I thought mp3 and ogg were two different ways of encoding wav
> files.

we record in audacity and select save as ogg - more than that I dont  
know.


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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Vikas Rawal]

> 
> the target audience is anyone  who wants to learn any Indian  
> language. Unfortunately we are a foss organisation, so cannot use non- 
> free stuff - so we are in the soup. I am strongly tempted to use wav  
> or something which the janata can use. But if we do that - aren't we  
> throwing in the towel? On the other hand, seeing the discussion on  
> this and every other mailing list on how the faithful are happily  
> listening to mp3 and wav files I suddenly wondered why not us too?

How do you get your ogg files? Aren't they encoded from wav files?
That is, how do you directly generate ogg files? I do not know much on
this but I thought mp3 and ogg were two different ways of encoding wav
files.

BTW, you may also want to look at flac, a loss-less compression
mechanism that is loss.

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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 4:16 PM, Manish wrote:

>> I meant, can't play ogg from the website. Yes, it is weird. In my
>> mac, firefox hangs and has to be killed when it accesses that site.
>
> I kinda liked the website's purpose.  But who's the target audience
> given that it works only some specific OS's with specific browsers
> with specific plugins (this is understandable due to ogg).. or may be
> it is just a proof-of-concept/demo or have I missed the idea
> completely?

the target audience is anyone  who wants to learn any Indian  
language. Unfortunately we are a foss organisation, so cannot use non- 
free stuff - so we are in the soup. I am strongly tempted to use wav  
or something which the janata can use. But if we do that - aren't we  
throwing in the towel? On the other hand, seeing the discussion on  
this and every other mailing list on how the faithful are happily  
listening to mp3 and wav files I suddenly wondered why not us too?


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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Manish]

On Dec 1, 2007 3:54 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01-Dec-07, at 3:38 PM, Manish wrote:
>
> >>> doesnt work on iceweasel - onclick doesnt mean that the button
> >>> has to
> >>> be visible. If you use firebug (or whatever it is called on debian)
> >>> you will see the javascript called, but no sound.
> >>
> >> Also did not work with Konqueror 3.5.8 and Epiphany 2.20?!
> >>
> >
> > You already mentioned "Other distros dont seem to be able to play ogg
> > at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty."  Oh, I can play ogg
> > alright.. unless you meant "can't play ogg from the website".  But
> > isn't that weird?
>
> I meant, can't play ogg from the website. Yes, it is weird. In my
> mac, firefox hangs and has to be killed when it accesses that site.

I kinda liked the website's purpose.  But who's the target audience
given that it works only some specific OS's with specific browsers
with specific plugins (this is understandable due to ogg).. or may be
it is just a proof-of-concept/demo or have I missed the idea
completely?

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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 3:38 PM, Manish wrote:

>>> doesnt work on iceweasel - onclick doesnt mean that the button  
>>> has to
>>> be visible. If you use firebug (or whatever it is called on debian)
>>> you will see the javascript called, but no sound.
>>
>> Also did not work with Konqueror 3.5.8 and Epiphany 2.20?!
>>
>
> You already mentioned "Other distros dont seem to be able to play ogg
> at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty."  Oh, I can play ogg
> alright.. unless you meant "can't play ogg from the website".  But
> isn't that weird?

I meant, can't play ogg from the website. Yes, it is weird. In my  
mac, firefox hangs and has to be killed when it accesses that site.


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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Manish]

On Dec 1, 2007 3:32 PM, Manish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 2007 3:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 01-Dec-07, at 3:16 PM, Manish wrote:
> >
> > >> good to hear - incidently, firefox on mandriva and Suse also plays
> > >> it. But konq does it better. Other distros dont seem to be able to
> > >> play ogg at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty.
> > >>
> > >
> > > `Play's is not clickable at all!  This is Iceweasel 2.0.0.9 on Sid.
> >
> > doesnt work on iceweasel - onclick doesnt mean that the button has to
> > be visible. If you use firebug (or whatever it is called on debian)
> > you will see the javascript called, but no sound.
>
> Also did not work with Konqueror 3.5.8 and Epiphany 2.20?!
>

You already mentioned "Other distros dont seem to be able to play ogg
at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty."  Oh, I can play ogg
alright.. unless you meant "can't play ogg from the website".  But
isn't that weird?

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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Manish]

On Dec 1, 2007 3:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01-Dec-07, at 3:16 PM, Manish wrote:
>
> >> good to hear - incidently, firefox on mandriva and Suse also plays
> >> it. But konq does it better. Other distros dont seem to be able to
> >> play ogg at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty.
> >>
> >
> > `Play's is not clickable at all!  This is Iceweasel 2.0.0.9 on Sid.
>
> doesnt work on iceweasel - onclick doesnt mean that the button has to
> be visible. If you use firebug (or whatever it is called on debian)
> you will see the javascript called, but no sound.

Also did not work with Konqueror 3.5.8 and Epiphany 2.20?!

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Re: [ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 3:16 PM, Manish wrote:

>> good to hear - incidently, firefox on mandriva and Suse also plays
>> it. But konq does it better. Other distros dont seem to be able to
>> play ogg at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty.
>>
>
> `Play's is not clickable at all!  This is Iceweasel 2.0.0.9 on Sid.

doesnt work on iceweasel - onclick doesnt mean that the button has to  
be visible. If you use firebug (or whatever it is called on debian)  
you will see the javascript called, but no sound.


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[ilugd] Arichuvadi [WAS: Re: amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod]

[Manish]

On Dec 1, 2007 2:34 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01-Dec-07, at 2:27 PM, mehul wrote:
>
> >> I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything
> >> is in
> >> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.
> >
> > WIth right plugins everyone should be able to. It had worked fine for
> > me on firefox + gentoo. I believe it's he mplayerplug-in that works
> > for
> > me.
>
> good to hear - incidently, firefox on mandriva and Suse also plays
> it. But konq does it better. Other distros dont seem to be able to
> play ogg at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty.
>

`Play's is not clickable at all!  This is Iceweasel 2.0.0.9 on Sid.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 2:27 PM, mehul wrote:

>> I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything  
>> is in
>> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.
>
> WIth right plugins everyone should be able to. It had worked fine for
> me on firefox + gentoo. I believe it's he mplayerplug-in that works  
> for
> me.

good to hear - incidently, firefox on mandriva and Suse also plays  
it. But konq does it better. Other distros dont seem to be able to  
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[mehul]

On 12/1/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.

WIth right plugins everyone should be able to. It had worked fine for
me on firefox + gentoo. I believe it's he mplayerplug-in that works for
me.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 2:03 PM, Linux Lingam wrote:

> none was available in the indian market then. today we finally have  
> choices.
> what's your ogg player? do you convert mp3 to ogg, or do you  
> convert wav to
> ogg? which software do you prefer?

in the first place I dont listen to music (it's just noise to me). I  
create sound files in ogg with audacity. Listen to them in konq and  
other kde apps on mandriva. Is it true that wav and mp3 are  
considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I  
am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in  
ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 1:47 PM, Linux Lingam wrote:

> a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!
> yea! you've been volunteered.

how come you never volunteer anyone who is less than a 1000  
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> stick to ogg
>
>
> --
> regards
>
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate, NRC-FOSS
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



yeah kenneth, ogg is superior to mp3 in low-to-mid settings, that is, when
files are heavily compressed.
at audiophile-quality, not even the best experts can often make out the
difference between a wav, an mp3, or an ogg. they are all comparable.

when i bought my coby, had already spent 2 months looking for an ogg player.
none was available in the indian market then. today we finally have choices.
what's your ogg player? do you convert mp3 to ogg, or do you convert wav to
ogg? which software do you prefer?
:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
>I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did
>  have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays
>  oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?
>

awesome! manoj, i know what more one can ask.

a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!
yea! you've been volunteered.
i suppose the next meet will be the third week of dec,
though have heard danese cooper is here perhaps on 11dec with a special meet
with ilug-d, open to all who wish to attend.

gora mohanty has an announcement to make on this, yeah?
:-)
niyam


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> DRM-friendly company.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
>

yeah raj, i ain't brand conscious at all. i have a trusty and cheap
1.5gbcoby mp3player that turned out to have one of the best mp3
decoders in town
at that time. i checked apple, creative, sony, samsung, philip, and a few
more. was rather surprised as i thought coby was some el cheapo brand. those
days was deep into some ear-training practise with a 440hz tuning fork (the
fossies here could instead check out the foss-software solfege, that helps
in ear-training). so i bought the coby in sep 2005. thought for that price
it wouldn't last more than 6 months. despite heavy, punishing use, that
thing is still rockin'.
it connects to linux desktops as a simple usb storage device, no fuss, no
apple drm-dance loops. have even transferred data on it concurrently.

by the way, that ear-training tip really works. here's what i recommend:
before you set out to buy any audio gear, spend about a week or atleast 21
days with solfege, the gpl ear-training software. say about 30 minutes a
day. you may spend more time if you wish. for those 21 days, pick up an
acoustically rich piece of music as your reference point. listen to that
piece at least twice or thrice every day until you can know every subtle
nuance by memory. don't bother using highly-compressed mp3 or other
file-formats. pick a pristine-quality wav file, or an original audiocd or
audio-dvd. [i mean audio-dvd, not a data dvd crammed with hissy mp3 files].

finally, discard the hypnotism of brand-faith and loyalty. take your
reference musicfile, and go test the audio-gear. you'll always be startled
at your choices. like me, you may just develop reverence and deep
appreciation for one of the finest foss utility software i know out there:
solfege. it's not just zero-price, but priceless.

last week i spent 5 hours in various outlets with a friend, testing portable
speakers for my mp3player. you gotta hear the stuff i brought home. no other
customer in the shop was even glancing at it. the shop-manager was quite
clueless about its capabilities. by the way, bought it so i could listen to
some music in my room in bangalore, through foss.in next week. so those of
you attending foss.in and interested to prick your ears to its sound, buzz
me. you'd appreciate it even more if you muck around with solfege and have a
reference file.

:-)
niyam


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