Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
Saurabh Nanda wrote: >> [As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed >> mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups >> there.] > > How do I subscribe to it? The Freed 2008 wiki has no link to the > mailing list web interface. The Freed 2007 link (at > http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2007/TakingPart) > doesn't work. > Now available at gmane too at http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi.freed. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 27-Dec-07, at 11:50 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > It would make more sense if you could put this into the > context of the current discussion. How are the discussions to date > in any way a matter of "a LUG getting above itself"? As always, > Freed.in will be what the community wants it to be. Aren't you > rather the one trying to mandate that XYZ is what a LUG should do? yes I am mandating what a LUG should do. A LUG has a specific sphere of activity. It should stick to that. Looking at the discussions on this LUG list, I see installation issues, new software initiatives, more installation issues. Some discussions on programming problems. A bit about localisation. A lot about finding foss substitutes for proprietary software. I don't see any high funda discussions of knowledge and freedom. I also see the fact that this LUG has not had a *single* college program in the last two years. Once again, I suggest you stick to the basics and leave social revolution to the philosophers. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 12:19 +0530, Saurabh Nanda wrote: > > [As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed > > mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups > > there.] > > How do I subscribe to it? The Freed 2008 wiki has no link to the > mailing list web interface. The Freed 2007 link (at > http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2007/TakingPart) > doesn't work. Try http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/freed have fixed the broken links in the Freed2007 web, and also copied the page over to http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2008/TakingPart Thanks for letting us know of the problem. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
> [As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed > mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups > there.] How do I subscribe to it? The Freed 2008 wiki has no link to the mailing list web interface. The Freed 2007 link (at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2007/TakingPart) doesn't work. Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
[As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups there.] On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 08:21 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [...] > my two paise: LUGs should stick to what LUGs do best - bring new > blood in, solve technical problems, get foss introduced in colleges, > schools, industry and governement and help fellow luggers to sove > their problems. They should leave social revolution and world > domination to those more competent to do so. Um, this discussion was more about the focus of the event, Freed.in, rather than about ILUG-Delhi, or LUGs in general. In that context, or even generally, I strongly disagree. The "free" in "free software" is more interesting than the "software". > As the Bangalore experience shows, the moment a LUG get's above > itself, it is in trouble, it fails to attract new blood, becomes > irrelevant and it's goodwill vanishes into the hands of people with > different aims to that of a LUG. [...] I have no idea what relevance the above has, and have no interest in digging up past skeletons. So, will let this pass without comment. It would make more sense if you could put this into the context of the current discussion. How are the discussions to date in any way a matter of "a LUG getting above itself"? As always, Freed.in will be what the community wants it to be. Aren't you rather the one trying to mandate that XYZ is what a LUG should do? Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 02:05 +0530, Saurabh Nanda wrote: > Hi Gora, > > I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) > and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open > source s/w focused event to a more "social revolution" kind of event). > Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of them may > be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't fit my > notion of the event. Small point of order. I am sure that you understand this, but the event is by no means limited to me, or to the small set of people currently involved in planning it. Instead, it will be what the community wants it to be. So, by all means, such comments are welcome. We were actually a little worried by the lack of response to such a dramatic change in the focus of Freed, and a constructive discussion would be much appreciated. I am a little pressed this morning, so here is a brief reply. Please note that these remarks are solely in an individual capacity. > 1. How does a focus on the "Knowledge Ecosystem" tie in with open > source software? It surely ties in with open standards (and file > formats), but not necessarily with free/open source software. [...] Similar concerns were expressed by other people in Freed.in. To my mind, the aim is only to be more inclusive of other areas where the ideals shared by the free software movement might be fruitfully shared. To me, the "freedom" in "free software" is more interesting than the "software" part. Also, while future directions remain to be seen, my idea of remaining in touch with FOSS is that any efforts will always be centred around projects with a significant ICT component. > 2. The term "Knowledge Ecosystem" can mean different things to > different people. I've read the document carefully, it does not define > what "knowledge ecosystem" means to the organizers of the event in > clear concise terms. I think that's important. Also, knowledge can > impact lots of aspects of our lives. It would be good to list a few of > them, which Freed is planning to focus upon. From the tone of the > document, education and government seemed to be the primary focus, but > again, helps to be explicit. The document is deliberately vague because we want participants to define what the knowledge ecosystem means in the context of Freed.in. There are a few example areas outlined at the bottom of the document, and yes, education, and formulation of government policy are interest areas. > 3. What does section 1.3 mean? How do you plan to achieve the tangible > goals listed out in this section through Freed.in? Wouldn't achieving > these goals require a lot more sustained effort than a 3 day event? > Section 2.4 answers this question partially, but I'm still a bit > skeptical. Also, from a document writing perspective, portions of the > text of section 2.4 should be contained in section 1.3 to make things > more obvious. Freed.in 2008 is intended to be: (i) a planning conclave to more clearly define the areas we should focus on, and to lay out a roadmap, and (ii) a showcase for current projects in this area. Yes, the document rambles, and a more concise version has been prepared, and will be circulated soon as an invitation to participate. > 4. Pardon me, but IMHO, most of section 3.1 offers nothing concrete to > the user. It simply adds to the sense of vagueness. It should probably > be removed and replaced by a succinct definition of the term > "Knowledge Ecosystem" and be moved to somewhere in section 1 itself. Please be as critical as you would like to be. I disagree in that I feel that government policy in terms of mandating open standards, and the role of government as a disseminator of content are central to making the knowledge ecosystem work. Also, economic development is what is driving the Indian and Chinese governments in particular to invest heavily in education, and I also feel that the soft aspects of globalisation, such as bringing Internet access to more and more parts of the world, will strongly impact any future system of creating, and sharing knowledge. > 5. This might be my ignorance, but what role do open source licenses > (as defined by OSI) play in creating and sharing knowledge? (Also, the > link to OSI http://opensource.org opens a website wildly different > from http://www.opensource.org!) In short, the various kinds of licences from OSI allow people to share their work on the terms that they wish to, while remaining "open". It is important that there be well-established licenses allowing sharing under different conditions, rather than everyone rolling their own. > As an overall comment, the document needs to be more specific. > Probably you're expecting community feedback to flesh out the details. > But in my opinion, the overall vagueness (and too many buzzwords) > hampered my in offering any useful feedback. I agree that the document meanders too much, and sometimes offers platitudes instead of conc
Re: [ilugd] [LONG] Re: Plan for Freed.in 2008
> If you look at our country (and probably most developing countries), you > will see that the fundamental issues relate to availability of > knowledge, not availability of software. > Posting free CDs of > Linux to people who don't have the computers to run them on won't help > in any of these areas -- software isn't the whole solution, it's just > part of it. Exactly. This whole thing about the "knowledge economy" is not necessarily about software. Its about mind sets. It's the same mind set that is required to get an RTI act into effect. Sure, the RTI act is more effective if the information dissemination is not through individual applications and replies -- but it still works without the software. > So where is that huge fund of knowledge that is lying with the > individuals of India? Can I access it? Can I use it? Can I enhance > it? No, since it's hidden away in the minds and collective wisdom in > villages and small towns, whose people do not have any means available > for expressing that wisdom and sharing it with the rest of the world. > One of freed.in's goals at this event is to discuss ways forward for > enabling the free collection and dissemination of knowledge, no matter > where in this country or in the developing world it exists. At the risk of oversimplification: Today's society and economy is hinged upon the availability of knowledge. Digital technologies have proven to be an effective way for sharing such knowledge. Digital technologies are not available to most of India (especially rural parts). Is Freed.in about bridging this digital divide? > Finally, to answer the question you raised raised at the end of your > first para, knowledge that is hidden away in a proprietary format, no > matter how prevalent the format or how high the quality of the > knowledge, is useless in the new paradigm IMNSHO. No. In fact, I said that knowledge needs to be stored in open formats and transmitted using standard (open) protocols. That's necessary. What's not necessary is that the *tools* required to manipulate these formats be free and open source. For example, a Wiki developed in .Net and deployed on Microsoft Server 2k with IIS as the web server is still a Wiki. It will achieve the purpose of knowledge sharing in the same way a Twiki on LAMP does. Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Who all want to run a non power intensive linux box (media servers/automation/etc.)
On 26/12/2007, coolant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > > > I have imported them in bulk. Few available from me @7500 inclusive taxes. > That's not all that cheap. > (From the manufacturer's site) > 1.Shipping to india = $39 That is per unit and not for any quantity. In quantity I paid $15/unit > 2.Cost of the product = (depending on your selection and configuration) > If ordered in single quantity. Product is ~$120 --> 4800 Shipping ~$15 --> 600 Customs other duties 23% --> 1200 Sales tax @10% --> 650 Bank charges --> 200 That is why single units delivered in Delhi @7500. > Anyways, I forgot to ask one important question: > Which one of the products do you have, and what is it's configuration? ;) MicroClientJr. with basic configuration as per Norhtec site -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Commercial] Open Office project management sheet development
On 26/12/2007, Rahul Dewan [srijan.in] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > extending an open office Project Management template. > > The template (OTS) is available at: > http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/ next to the title > "Project-Management with Gantt-Charts Calc template". IAC thanks for a lovely project heads up .. found it very interesting how OO can be used. And would love to look at end product you come up with. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for freed.in 2008
Hi Shirish, On Thursday 27 Dec 2007, shirish wrote: > Hi all, > I can take responsibility to maintain any one page on the > wiki & can give to the tune of 10 hrs. from my weekly work schedule > for anything on the freed site. If anybody has any idea where I could > help please lemme know onlist or off-list. Thanks for the offer! If we had more people discussing and contributing we could actually achieve something! Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology & Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for freed.in 2008
Hi all, I can take responsibility to maintain any one page on the wiki & can give to the tune of 10 hrs. from my weekly work schedule for anything on the freed site. If anybody has any idea where I could help please lemme know onlist or off-list. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 27-Dec-07, at 2:05 AM, Saurabh Nanda wrote: > I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) > and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open > source s/w focused event to a more "social revolution" kind of event). > Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of them may > be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't fit my > notion of the event. my two paise: LUGs should stick to what LUGs do best - bring new blood in, solve technical problems, get foss introduced in colleges, schools, industry and governement and help fellow luggers to sove their problems. They should leave social revolution and world domination to those more competent to do so. As the Bangalore experience shows, the moment a LUG get's above itself, it is in trouble, it fails to attract new blood, becomes irrelevant and it's goodwill vanishes into the hands of people with different aims to that of a LUG. It is not as if the whole of Northern India is converted to FOSS and the time has come to move to the next stage. The fact is we are sadly lagging in the basics itself - so stick to the basics. No doubt four people will sneer at you - but I personally think that doing what a LUG does is nothing to sneer at, is immensely satisfying and fulfills an important social need that nothing else can do. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [LONG] Re: Plan for Freed.in 2008
[Please keep responses to the freed mailing list, CCed in this mail] Hi Saurabh, Thanks for the comments. I'm not trying to answer all your questions here, just give my views on the event. Comments inline... On Thursday 27 Dec 2007, Saurabh Nanda wrote: > Hi Gora, > > I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) > and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open > source s/w focused event to a more "social revolution" kind of > event). Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of > them may be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't > fit my notion of the event. > > 1. How does a focus on the "Knowledge Ecosystem" tie in with open > source software? It surely ties in with open standards (and file > formats), but not necessarily with free/open source software. > However, freed.in may focus on the use of open source software in > helping create the knowledge system - which is absolutely fine. > Except that (a) this is not stated anywhere explicitly in the > document, and (b) not all content can be managed properly with open > source s/w as of now. That's actually the crore-Rupee question. Bear with me through this discussion, since it is the one on which the whole new look of the event hinges. If you look at our country (and probably most developing countries), you will see that the fundamental issues relate to availability of knowledge, not availability of software. Many of our fellow citizens do not have access to knowledge critical to their continued, affluent survival. Whether it is market rates in neighbouring towns (so you can decide where to sell your grain), movements of fish schools (so you know where to cast your net), weather information (so you know when and what to plant), information about social groups helping women (so they can make their own lives and not be married off into virtual slavery at the age of 11) or simple primary and secondary education, the majority of our countrymen (and women!) do not have it. Posting free CDs of Linux to people who don't have the computers to run them on won't help in any of these areas -- software isn't the whole solution, it's just part of it. Keeping this in mind, the most critical task for this country becomes provision of knowledge to those who need it but do not have it. You and I can sit at ease in our offices and bedrooms, with 256 Kb/s connections and have the world at our fingertips. If we need formal education we can access any number of university sites that provide course online; if we need the latest stock quotes we only have to push a couple of buttons; if we need diversion there is any amount of music, video and books available. Now if only everyone could have access to similar classes of information, in a language and format they could use and on a device they could afford, India would be a much wealthier nation. Yes, I'm selfish -- the primary reason I want equitable access to information is not because I want to raise the living standards of our billion-plus people, but because I want to live in a wealthier country. Surely some of that wealth will trickle up/down to me too :) Now let's go one step further... Knowledge and wisdom aren't the monopoly of the urban and/or wealthier classes. They exist everywhere, at all levels, in all strata and classes of society. So far the world has been viewing knowledge through a producer-consumer tinted lens. But why should that be? Why should a consumer of music not be a producer of information about water resources? Why should a producer of weather information not be a consumer of information about diseases of cows? Is there really that much of a difference? In my opinion, not today. I see 2 Internet technologies that have changed the way we look at the producer-consumer paradigm: - Wikis. The Wiki as a tool completely rewrites the rules of authorship, and converts the author/reader combination into a collaboration paradigm . With a Wiki, anyone who has something to say about a topic has the ability to say it and add to the global corpus of knowledge. For example, the document you have critiqued is a Wiki document, produced through the collaboration of at least 10 people with more people contributing all the time. - Blogs. Blogs permit an individual to express her views and share her knowledge with the world. OK, so many of us don't have anything particularly exciting to say about anything. Fine -- I may not visit your blog, but I will definitely fight for your right to blog :) BTW, I'm including sites like youtube in the blog category -- expression isn't just through text, it can be any medium you choose. So where is that huge fund of knowledge that is lying with the individuals of India? Can I access it? Can I use it? Can I enhance it? No, since it's hidden away in the minds and collective wisdom in villages and small towns, whose peo
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
Hi Gora, I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open source s/w focused event to a more "social revolution" kind of event). Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of them may be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't fit my notion of the event. 1. How does a focus on the "Knowledge Ecosystem" tie in with open source software? It surely ties in with open standards (and file formats), but not necessarily with free/open source software. However, freed.in may focus on the use of open source software in helping create the knowledge system - which is absolutely fine. Except that (a) this is not stated anywhere explicitly in the document, and (b) not all content can be managed properly with open source s/w as of now. 2. The term "Knowledge Ecosystem" can mean different things to different people. I've read the document carefully, it does not define what "knowledge ecosystem" means to the organizers of the event in clear concise terms. I think that's important. Also, knowledge can impact lots of aspects of our lives. It would be good to list a few of them, which Freed is planning to focus upon. From the tone of the document, education and government seemed to be the primary focus, but again, helps to be explicit. 3. What does section 1.3 mean? How do you plan to achieve the tangible goals listed out in this section through Freed.in? Wouldn't achieving these goals require a lot more sustained effort than a 3 day event? Section 2.4 answers this question partially, but I'm still a bit skeptical. Also, from a document writing perspective, portions of the text of section 2.4 should be contained in section 1.3 to make things more obvious. 4. Pardon me, but IMHO, most of section 3.1 offers nothing concrete to the user. It simply adds to the sense of vagueness. It should probably be removed and replaced by a succinct definition of the term "Knowledge Ecosystem" and be moved to somewhere in section 1 itself. 5. This might be my ignorance, but what role do open source licenses (as defined by OSI) play in creating and sharing knowledge? (Also, the link to OSI http://opensource.org opens a website wildly different from http://www.opensource.org!) As an overall comment, the document needs to be more specific. Probably you're expecting community feedback to flesh out the details. But in my opinion, the overall vagueness (and too many buzzwords) hampered my in offering any useful feedback. Making the document shorter and adding a one line "mantra" (v/s a mission and vision statement) about Freed should help people understand the overall context. And get the ideas flowing. Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [Commercial] Open Office project management sheet development
Hi, We're looking for a freelance programmer and advisor who can help us in extending an open office Project Management template. The template (OTS) is available at: http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/ next to the title "Project-Management with Gantt-Charts Calc template". We need to extend this, to make it "multi-people" and "multi-projects". Are there programmers or project managers with experience in making something like this. If this interests you please write to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Rahul Dewan -- www.srijan.in | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://blogs.srijan.in/ CSR: http://srijanfoundation.wordpress.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Who all want to run a non power intensive linux box (media servers/automation/etc.)
Sudev Barar wrote: > I have imported them in bulk. Few available from me @7500 inclusive taxes. That's not all that cheap. (From the manufacturer's site) 1.Shipping to india = $39 2.Cost of the product = (depending on your selection and configuration) If ordered in single quantity. So I thought, that $39 would get divided if 3-4 people order. Anyways, I forgot to ask one important question: Which one of the products do you have, and what is it's configuration? ;) -- cheers ~coolant ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] using Voice/sms with data cards
> With all tata & reliance data cards/ usb modems.. there is voice+sms > feature, which works only in the windows interface.. has there been > any R&D into getting voice+sms working in Linux? or where to find more > clues on how to use it or reverse engg. it? SMS Server tools [1] works with existing GSM modems/phones, but the CDMA command set is different (No AT commands etc.) To make matters worse, it seems as if there is actually no standard at all, different manufacturers implement different command sets. There is document [2] that describes how the Nokia CDMA phones implement SMS functionality, it might be worthwhile to check if it works. I think you might use a program like minicom [3] to play around with the command set, as even the USB modems appear as serial devices thanks to the usb2serial kernel module. As for voice, I expect that it would be a lot more complicated. -- Anant [1] http://smstools.meinemullemaus.de/ [2] http://www.bogor.net/idkf/bio2/mobile-docs/smart_messaging_in_cdma_v1_0_en.pdf [3] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/minicom/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] using Voice/sms with data cards
Hi, With all tata & reliance data cards/ usb modems.. there is voice+sms feature, which works only in the windows interface.. has there been any R&D into getting voice+sms working in Linux? or where to find more clues on how to use it or reverse engg. it? Karunakar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
