Re: [ilugd] FC6 RAM
but my system is not showing additional 2GB its just showing only 2GB memory. Which is the motherboard? Does it support more than 2GB? Test the new dimm in the old slot without putting in the new dimm to check compatibility. Check speed and CL of both the dimms to see if they are compatible. Cheers Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://thondomraughts.blogspot.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [bash] what a fork bomb!
I would like to know why,
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background }
works?
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background } -- NOTE: no ampersand( ) here!
does not work?
Interesting fork-bomb - probably the shortest possible.
The : could have been any char usable as a variable like say _ but
: looks neat because it is thin and is not an alphabet :)
If you do
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background; };
it will work. I think takes out the need for the ; as end of line
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Re: [ilugd] [bash] what a fork bomb!
Hullo,
Responses inline.
--- tuxdna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:(){ :|: };:
: is a Bash Shell's no-op ( no operation ) literal,
which can be used
as 'true' also.
Hmm, I've never heard the character : referred to as
such. Perhaps someone can comment on this, although I
doubt this is the case. IMO, the use of : is just to
obfuscate the fact that its a function name - it could
as easily be a or b or c, or fun.
If that were the case, things would look familiar I'd
expect -
:(){ :|: };:
fun( { fun|fun };fun
Declare function fun which calls itself and pipes the
output into another background process. The last
invocation of fun after the ; starts the entire thing.
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background }
works?
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background } -- NOTE: no
ampersand( ) here!
Try it with a semi colon. :(){ echo foo; };
In the case without the ; inside - its a background
process, being given as a single command. Its
interpreted the same way you'd write
$ echo foo
without a ;. But in a for or do loop - you'd need the
; to end the line.
Whats interesting here is how the :|: is being used -
this exponentially increases the number of processes
spawned! Basically, pipes the output of one : into the
other background process..
Cheers,
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Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 5, 2008 10:49 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have been having some terrible time with Linux RAID recently on Ubuntu. I dont like major changes being done on such critical components without testing. thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. one free alka seltzer for canonical from karanbir, as canonical is trying to create a business model around ubuntu... No problems in many many machines installed in quite a few places with CentOS and RHEL. otoh, setting up a raid with debian, centos, rhel while letting client machines log in with the latest ubuntu 7.10 or fedora is probably a good mix of both eyecandy click-easy end-user experience and solid technical infrastructure. just add a redundant pc running the os, to the redundant array of devices. niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [bash] what a fork bomb!
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Viksit Gaur wrote:
--- tuxdna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:(){ :|: };:
:
: is a Bash Shell's no-op ( no operation ) literal,
which can be used
as 'true' also.
Hmm, I've never heard the character : referred to as
such. Perhaps someone can comment on this, although I
doubt this is the case. IMO, the use of : is just to
obfuscate the fact that its a function name - it could
as easily be a or b or c, or fun.
From man bash:
SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS
Unless otherwise noted, each builtin command documented in this
section as accepting options preceded by - accepts -- to signify the
end of the options. For example, the :, true, false, and test
builtins do not accept options.
: [arguments]
No effect; the command does nothing beyond expanding
arguments and performing any specified redirections. A zero exit code
is returned.
So effectively a no-op returning true. I use constructs of the form
while : ; do ... done
to make effectively infinite looks all the time.
Regards,
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Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
Kazim Zaidi wrote: Myopic knowledge? I would like to know more about that opinion. most of the people doing things within RoR ideology dont really know much about things out there. whats worse is that some of them - lots of them - seem to be applying j2ee sort of methodologies. Look at it - you need 5 layers of apps ( not including the actual web server ) in order to get your app doing moderately decent load. IF you have done any enterprise development, that will ring some bells! In particular, what kind of reinvention? IMHO, Rails eases up the job by preferring convention over configuration. If you are so new to the process that you dont see the role replication, it wont matter anyway :D Thats correct. RoR differs from other frameworks a lot. But that can be rephrased otherwise too. the only thing that RoR has going for it right now is ActiveRecord. Beyond that its slow, wasteful and pedestrian. /opinion -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FC6 RAM
HI, its fine now, I just changed the slots and its showing but only 3.2 GB not the full 4GB and I don't have any graphics card that is using this memory. Thanks arun On Jan 8, 2008 11:53 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Jan-08, at 1:07 PM, Arun Kumar wrote: I'm running FC6 on my machine it was running with 2GB of memory but I need to upgrade memory to 4GB so I purchased more RAM and installed in my system, but my system is not showing additional 2GB its just showing only 2GB memory. where is it not showing the memory? In the cmos setup? or somewhere else? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam: Linux Training in Delhi/India
rizwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to join some course for Linux. Please help me to provide the information about the Organization/Institutes who are providing the training for Linux in India specially in Delhi. Please provide their address and web sides. Regards, Rizwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr. Rizwan, One student earlier learnt programming for a few days from me. Then a high profile computer institute trapped him and my student paid them in advance for training for the whole year. After ten days, the teachers at the high profile institute feared him because he knew better things than the teachers. Soon he left the institute even without taking back his fees for a year. He studied on his own from books and is doing much better than the teachers he left. If you wish, for free, I can teach you some linux at a cyber cafe convenient to both. After learning for a month for free from me, you may like to try some institute which claims to teach very well. After that if you prefer the institute, no problem. If you feel my teaching is a lot better, please pay me what the famous institute normally charges for one month. Then you may either study on your own from books or pay me and continue to study from me. I am at B-48, Gul. Pk, New Delhi 110049, mobile 9868237363 [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards Ajay - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Linux Lingam wrote: thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. one free alka seltzer for canonical from karanbir, as canonical is trying to create a business model around ubuntu... Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? but its an interesting point you raise - Canonical is trying to create a business out of the personal efforts people put into what they understand to be a community effort. That is true. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FC6 RAM
Arun Kumar wrote: HI, its fine now, I just changed the slots and its showing but only 3.2 GB not the full 4GB and I don't have any graphics card that is using this memory. try the kernel-PAE if it still does not work, your BIOS might need an upgrade. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. -Jasbir ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux Lingam wrote: thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. one free alka seltzer for canonical from karanbir, as canonical is trying to create a business model around ubuntu... Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? me also running such setup on Ubuntu 6.06, since it released, and its working flawlessly :) -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of Setting up software RAID during the installation of Ubuntu is very easy and can be done in a few steps. I had a problem booting into the system after the install because of a configuration issue with grub. I did not solve the problem but I worked around it by copying the MBR on to both hard disks. But Yes I had successfully setup Ubuntu with software RAID and lvm. I dismantled the raid set up when I wanted more space :) (than more redundancy) Cheers Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://thondomraughts.blogspot.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Jasbir Khehra wrote: On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. Last I heard, ubuntu stopped using the debian installer completely since the only official build was the one from the livecd. Which does not do lvm/md unless you drop to the shell and do things manually. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Karanbir Singh wrote: Jasbir Khehra wrote: On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. Last I heard, ubuntu stopped using the debian installer completely since the only official build was the one from the livecd. Which does not do lvm/md unless you drop to the shell and do things manually. Google comes up with these hints : http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=ubuntu+install+lvm If thats the process you need to follow, perhaps in 1994 or in 1996 it would have been acceptable. however, things have sort of moved on these days. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Anoop John wrote: thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of Setting up software RAID during the installation of Ubuntu is very easy and can be done in a few steps. I had a problem booting into the I'd love to find out what the 'easy steps' are in order to get a raid-6 setup and put lvm-span on top of that. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to find out what the 'easy steps' are in order to get a raid-6 setup and put lvm-span on top of that. Like I said, it was quite some time ago that I had tried Ubuntu with RAID. I installed with the alternate install CD and set up raid during the install itself. I did not quite remember the exact steps though but I distinctly remember that I set up the whole thing within an hour. I did a search on software raid installation in ubuntu forums and got this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3962140postcount=11 Also check this other link i got from google search on ubuntu software raid during installation http://knowledge76.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Server_Install_With_Software_RAID I am not sure about Raid-6 though Cheers Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://thondomraughts.blogspot.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam: Linux Training in Delhi/India
dear all, Dear Mr. Rizwan, [snip] If you wish, for free, I can teach you some linux at a cyber cafe convenient to both. After learning for a month for free from me, you may like to try some institute which claims to teach very well. After that if you prefer the institute, no problem. If you feel my teaching is a lot better, please pay me what the famous institute normally charges for one month. Then you may either study on your own from books or pay me and continue to study from me. [snip] regards Ajay a major round of applause, actually, a standing ovation for ajay. way to go ajay! we need hundreds of more people like you to end the shameful and pathetic abuse of educashun(!) not just in our country, but all over the world, with a few exceptions here and there, as always. wow! ajay, hope you deliver a small talk at the next ilug-d meet, am sure a lot of students from the mailing list would be interested to meet with you and listen to what you wish to share. regards niyam bhushan -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [bash] what a fork bomb!
--- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From man bash: : [arguments] No effect; the command does nothing beyond expanding arguments and performing any specified redirections. A zero exit code is returned. So effectively a no-op returning true. I use constructs of the form while : ; do ... done to make effectively infinite looks all the time. Ah, interesting. Thanks. -- Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
Hi, Can we have a show of hands on immediately banning thoughtless people that pull this kind of nonsense on a mailing list. If required, the ban could be rescinded on suitable explanation, or after a fixed length of time. On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 01:30 +, vivekagrawal83 wrote: To find out more about Twitter, visit the link below: http://twitter.com/i/a9865de55cbc1add8dd4e4aba1f32dfc3ea840f2 Thanks, -The Twitter Team About Twitter Twitter is a unique approach to communication and networking based on the simple concept of status. [...] Yeah, apparently one where communication is forced down one's throat. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
Hi, Can we have a show of hands on immediately banning thoughtless people that pull this kind of nonsense on a mailing list. If required, the ban could be rescinded on suitable explanation, or after a fixed length of time. Cool. On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 01:30 +, vivekagrawal83 wrote: To find out more about Twitter, visit the link below: http://twitter.com/i/a9865de55cbc1add8dd4e4aba1f32dfc3ea840f2 Thanks, -The Twitter Team About Twitter Twitter is a unique approach to communication and networking based on the simple concept of status. [...] Yeah, apparently one where communication is forced down one's throat. Factually incorrect but this is not the place for me to discuss that - when we meet - if you like. Cheers. R ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Hi all! MySQL will conduct a session in Bangalore and Delhi during the OSIW (Open Source India Week) where they want feedback on the topics the attendees will be interested in knowing more about. Following are a few topics that came forth when we were cooking the programme with MySQL's David Axmark and Brian Aker. 1. Zero hassles transition from MS Access/Oracle to MySQL 2. How to do Stored Procedures, Triggers Views in MySQL 3. How to write storage engines for MySQL Those are some of the things that our DBA wants to know more about. Obviously, there should be many more topics that you all want covered or wanna discuss. Please throw your ideas, we'll put all of 'em in the melting pot, and hand it over to the Brian so that he can design the final programme. Best, Atanu Datta Team LFY ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
On 1/9/08, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can we have a show of hands on immediately banning thoughtless people that pull this kind of nonsense on a mailing list. If required, the ban could be rescinded on suitable explanation, or after a fixed length of time. +100 from me. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On 08-Jan-08, at 6:27 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: Myopic knowledge? I would like to know more about that opinion. most of the people doing things within RoR ideology dont really know much about things out there. whats worse is that some of them - lots of them - seem to be applying j2ee sort of methodologies. not surprising when you see that a lot of them are refugees from java -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
On 09-Jan-08, at 10:14 AM, rizwan wrote: Please remove me from the list done - consider yourself removed -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
Dont you people realize you are being total hippocrites ? At one end, you kick out a lurker who wants to reach out and contact one-to-one with the group-- for sending a single off-topic message. At the other end, you yourselves create traffic of 5-10 messages-- for nothing ? Personally I want to ask-- if connecting with like-minded people through social networking sites is so bad, how come Barack Obama has a website and a myspace page ? Instead of revelling in such total groupism-- cursing the darkness- and then looking for people to kick out-- you people should ask yourself if there's a way to be more helpful to people who would otherwise be discouraged-- like the guy in a US university-- who wanted to take classes in Delhi-- but who was totally discouraged by the individual who in trying to show off his wit and intelligence insisted on foisting himself upon him. Mr.Gonsalves, do you realize how disgusting it is when you question some youngster's chances of succeeding in life just because his english is a certain way ? You think you are being funny-- but how would you feel if someone made fun of your children in a similar manner ? and that too a whole group of males ? Having seen professionally-- the bad results such groupism brings upon organizations-- I am sure this group would fare no differently. Gora ? if you are a 20-something youngster from some small town- then stop being a frog who even after being released in the ocean tries to carry his vision of his well with him-- in time you'll realize it's not healthy- and believe me you, I am professionally qualified to judge what constitutes mental health and what doesnt. -Pri On 1/9/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09-Jan-08, at 10:14 AM, rizwan wrote: Please remove me from the list done - consider yourself removed -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
Please find responses inline On 1/9/08, Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont you people realize you are being total hippocrites ? At one end, you kick out a lurker who wants to reach out and contact one-to-one with the group-- for sending a single off-topic message. This is not a social networking site. It is dedicated for the purpose of linux discussions. If you want to reach out please send e-mails to personal mail ids. At the other end, you yourselves create traffic of 5-10 messages-- for nothing ? Personally I want to ask-- if connecting with like-minded people through social networking sites is so bad, how come Barack Obama has a website and a myspace page ? No one denies that they are bad what we say is that they have no place on a FOSS mailing list. If Barack Obama used this mailing list to canvas for votes it would still be considered as spam . Instead of revelling in such total groupism-- cursing the darkness- and then looking for people to kick out-- you people should ask yourself if there's a way to be more helpful to people who would otherwise be discouraged-- like the guy in a US university-- who wanted to take classes in Delhi-- but who was totally discouraged by the individual who in trying to show off his wit and intelligence insisted on foisting himself upon him. A mailing list has certain rules to follow and if you do not follow those rules you can be kicked out. It can not be termed as groupism. On the other hand sending mails to a mailing list instead of sending it to each individuals email id seperately is a sign of laziness of the greatest order and should be condemned. Mr.Gonsalves, do you realize how disgusting it is when you question some youngster's chances of succeeding in life just because his english is a certain way ? This has been discussed earlier and your chances of making some one understand and replying to your email are much lower if the readers can not understand your writing. Not using the spell check feature is another sign of laziness and lazy people are less likely to suceed in finding answers to thier questions than people who go the extra mile. You think you are being funny-- but how would you feel if someone made fun of your children in a similar manner ? and that too a whole group of males ? What does group of males or making fun of children have to do with the point you are trying to make. you think that all newbies are children who should be spoon fed like in a school? Having seen professionally-- the bad results such groupism brings upon organizations-- I am sure this group would fare no differently. Do you now realize how disgusting it is when you question ILUG-D's chances of succeeding just because of the mails on its mailing list. Gora ? if you are a 20-something youngster from some small town- then stop being a frog who even after being released in the ocean tries to carry his vision of his well with him-- in time you'll realize it's not healthy- and believe me you, I am professionally qualified to judge what constitutes mental health and what doesnt. Please stop making personal remarks about people you do not know. -Pri On 1/9/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09-Jan-08, at 10:14 AM, rizwan wrote: Please remove me from the list done - consider yourself removed -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
On 1/9/08, Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont you people realize you are being total hippocrites ? Did you mean Hippocrates, the famous Greek doctor, hmm... ? or hypocrites, hmm...? -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
[snip] may i recommend: a. a temporary suspend of the account with a transparent reason worded politely. b. three counts of such suspension are followed by a ban. c. three counts of a ban.. oh wait! [decides to abstain from...] :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
On 1/9/08, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] may i recommend: a. a temporary suspend of the account with a transparent reason worded politely. b. three counts of such suspension are followed by a ban. c. three counts of a ban.. oh wait! [decides to abstain from...] :-) niyam What do you recommend for indulging in groupism and cursing the darkness ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 8, 2008 11:25 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: Jasbir Khehra wrote: On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. Last I heard, ubuntu stopped using the debian installer completely since the only official build was the one from the livecd. Which does not do lvm/md unless you drop to the shell and do things manually. The Alternate and Server Install cd use the debian installer. And these are also official builds from Ubuntu. Yup the 'livecd' doesnt have a GUI lvm/md installer. Google comes up with these hints : http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=ubuntu+install+lvm If thats the process you need to follow, perhaps in 1994 or in 1996 it would have been acceptable. however, things have sort of moved on these days. I presume you mean 2004/2006, frankly would like to know more where things have moved on these days. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
Gora Mohanty wrote: Hi, Can we have a show of hands on immediately banning thoughtless people that pull this kind of nonsense on a mailing list. If required, the ban could be rescinded Aww. It is just a case of people still figuring out how to live on the Net. I would suggest that instead of using the word ban (I have just been hearing it too much in the media recently for other things), we use the word temporary suspension instead. Internet etiquette and especially that in open source communities is not intuitive to people coming from meatspace(there, i always wanted to use that word :-P). It might seem intuitive in retrospect, but I insist it is not, otherwise. Yes, people do need to be made aware of network etiquette, but perhaps a gentler disciplinary approach transitioning to a tougher message over time is better. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
What do you recommend for indulging in groupism and cursing the darkness a) make sure it is the right kind of groupism. b) enjoy cursing the darkness, as the darkness never curses back. look! now i've started twittering here. sigh! you become what you reject. - Dogen, the great zen master. regards niyam bhushan -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Raj Mathur wrote: On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? Running a server with Debian Etch (stable) with 15 RAID-5 volumes with 6 partitions in each volume + 2 RAID-1 volumes for the past 3 months. No issues so far. ... Blame Ubuntu if you like, but Debian certainly doesn't seem to have any issues with software RAID. Ok. Moved my server to Debian Etch as of yesterday. I will wait and watch what happens :) Thanks. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [Speaking only for myself] On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Priya Kumar wrote: Dont you people realize you are being total hippocrites ? At one end, you kick out a lurker who wants to reach out and contact one-to-one with the group-- for sending a single off-topic message. At the other end, you yourselves create traffic of 5-10 messages-- for nothing ? Personally I want to ask-- if connecting with like-minded people through social networking sites is so bad, how come Barack Obama has a website and a myspace page ? Instead of revelling in such total groupism-- cursing the darkness- and then looking for people to kick out-- you people should ask yourself if there's a way to be more helpful to people who would otherwise be discouraged-- like the guy in a US university-- who wanted to take classes in Delhi-- but who was totally discouraged by the individual who in trying to show off his wit and intelligence insisted on foisting himself upon him. [personal stuff snipped] Priya, I believe you're looking at the function and the functioning of this list in a slightly different way from what most people perceive it to be. To elaborate, this list is meant to discuss Linux, FOSS and related issues. This includes technical issues, but the list also serves as a vehicle for discussing larger social issues. Surprisingly (or perhaps not so surprisingly), the list is also used to find like-minded people and organise face to face meetings, etc. On the other hand, no matter how tempting the social and meeting opportunities may be, they must not be allowed to subsume the primary function of the list (Linux, free software and related technologies). Unfortunately, mass invites from (may I use the term?) idiots who think nothing of giving their whole address book to a social networking site are getting more common every day, and we've already been spammed by various sites, inviting us to join in and participate in the fun. Similarly, no matter how important it may be for the world to condemn (say for the sake of argument) the Vadodra riots, the discussion of that has no place on this mailing list. Which is not to say it must not be discussed (or social networking sites must be deprecated), just use an appropriate vehicle for the discussion. I have nothing against social networking sites (well, I do, but that's neither here nor there), but you would appreciate that there's a difference between sending a PERSONAL invite to your friend inviting him/her to join the site and a RANDOM invite to thousands of people whom you've never met, and many of whom you're likely to never meet (because, e.g. they live 7000 KM away from you). The former is quite acceptable; the latter completely unacceptable. Further, long-term users of the Internet have an ingrained reaction to spam (unsolicited bulk mail), and the reaction is usually along the lines of: Kill the spammer before s/he can send another mail to my inbox. I personally spend about 1/3 my working day reading and responding to e-mail. If I have to spend even an hour a day handling spam, that means I lose 12.5% of my potentially productive time. Given that, are you surprised if I (and people like me) try to ridicule, belittle and insult spammers? Given the choice between getting more work done and making more money, and being nice to (or even tolerating) spammers, guess which one I'd choose? Combine the above two, and you would start to get an understanding of why the list explodes whenever someone commits the two cardinal sins: (a) giving his/her personal details and addressbooks to a commercial site and (b) helping a site spam a mailing list. The first harms the user directly and all users of the Internet indirectly. The second harms all of us who use e-mail as a tool for fun as well as business. Perhaps the reactions are extreme, but at least they're understandable. And the motives that you attribute to people aren't the real motives at all. P.S. Who's Barak Obama, and why should his Internet habits have any impact on my world view? Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHhHpSyWjQ78xo0X8RAn+7AJ9wJeEY4bkdcKojI8ncAXBX2jdmDQCdFGYP OpBf1WdiWYmGic7tcmujLRQ= =MugB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together
On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Atanu Datta wrote: Hi all! MySQL will conduct a session in Bangalore and Delhi during the OSIW (Open Source India Week) where they want feedback on the topics the attendees will be interested in knowing more about. Following are a few topics that came forth when we were cooking the programme with MySQL's David Axmark and Brian Aker. 1. Zero hassles transition from MS Access/Oracle to MySQL 2. How to do Stored Procedures, Triggers Views in MySQL 3. How to write storage engines for MySQL Those are some of the things that our DBA wants to know more about. Obviously, there should be many more topics that you all want covered or wanna discuss. Please throw your ideas, we'll put all of 'em in the melting pot, and hand it over to the Brian so that he can design the final programme. Is participation in the sessions free? If not, will the people who make suggestions be paid for improving the quality of the course? :) -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
Wow. Thats heartfelt, eh? For someone who professes to be well versed with the human psyche, I'd say you've done a terrible job interpreting whats been happening on this list. Respones inline. --- Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At one end, you kick out a lurker who wants to reach out and contact one-to-one with the group-- for sending a single off-topic message. I don't think anyone's kicking out a lurker - there are hundreds on this list. For a statement to have been made so forcefully - have you even checked with the person about why he's quitting? Personally I want to ask-- if connecting with like-minded people through social networking sites is so bad, how come Barack Obama has a website and a myspace page ? I don't get the reference here. Social networks are meant for people to connect with each other based on common interests - something a presidential hopeful would like to tap on his bid to get elected. But how does that even compare with a list where discussions are mostly about solving problems within a community, related to a particular topic? Mailing lists have always had guidelines - some unwritten, and people are expected to follow them. Most times, they're enforced by list users rather than an officious sounding moderator, who then needs to step in only in the most extreme cases. Instead of revelling in such total groupism-- cursing the darkness- and then looking for people to kick out-- you people should ask yourself if there's a way to be more helpful to people who would otherwise be discouraged-- like the guy in a US university-- who wanted to take classes in Delhi-- but who was totally discouraged by the individual who in trying to show off his wit and intelligence insisted on foisting himself upon him. Wow. Really, I'll have to hand it to you - you come across thinking you're standing on a pedestal crying out for common good, but you don't bother to check facts? Not only do I think you interpreted that email wrongly - which I believe was sent out in full honesty - you came out in force *Against* it. Astounding. and that too a whole group of males ? Erk, approaching murky waters. Lets not go in there shall we? Having seen professionally-- the bad results such groupism brings upon organizations-- I am sure this group would fare no differently. Have you seen this group professionally then? Interesting. And what are your conclusions on such empirical analysis? Gora ? if you are a 20-something youngster from some small town- then stop being a frog who even after being released in the ocean tries to carry his vision of his well with him-- in time you'll realize it's not healthy- and believe me you, I am professionally qualified to judge what constitutes mental health and what doesnt. Haha. As much as Gora would appreciate being mistaken for a 20 year old, I really don't think making assumptions and debasing statements about someone you've obviously never met - is a good idea on a public list. -- Viksit Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Linux Lingam wrote: [snip] may i recommend: a. a temporary suspend of the account with a transparent reason worded politely. b. three counts of such suspension are followed by a ban. c. three counts of a ban.. oh wait! [decides to abstain from...] Thanks for volunteering to write the application that will keep track of each user's misdemeanours, his/her suspension period, his/her suspension revocation time, count of number of bans/suspensions, etc! I'm sure the list admin (Kishore) doesn't have time for keeping track of all this. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
On 09-Jan-08, at 1:09 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: P.S. Who's Barak Obama it has been clarified on IRC, it is omaha which was a codeword in the second european war of the last century - check out wikipedia -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
