Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Reply in-line :- On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:17, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: Hi all, Apologies for a long long mail well in advance. I usually take 24-48 hours before responding to mails like Raj and Sudhanwa wrote. Sometimes we do respond in haste :- While on the subject, your mail licensing weirdness: My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ still prevents me from selling a DVD of ILUGD mailing list archives. This is a major blow, since the demand for these DVDs is constantly rising and currently outstrips the combined demand for pirated copies of Popcorn Frigidaire and Catnap Refunds, and I'm going to sue you for making me lose crows worth of legitimate business due to persistent combative, militant licensing. @ Raj Mathur . Its your prerogative to do whatever suing you want to for as you my 'persistent combative, militant licensing' If it was an attempt to intimidate me or an attempt at humor then both are unfortunately lost for neither makes sense to me. Also from what little I understand, these matters are still evolving. As Mr. Duggal of Supreme Court says it The same case presented the same way to 5 different judges may lead to 5 different decisions I have my own take in the manner. Its easy to intimidate a single person but let's say if it was a big FOSS company would Raj's reply be the same, I wonder. Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario. Let's say that shirish was not just shirisha...@gmail.com but shirisha...@redhat.com or shirisha...@ubuntu.com (Please remember this is all hypothetical) and let's say redhat (or ubuntu) as a matter of policy on their SMTP Server puts a signature which gets added to every mail something on the lines of a. It may have intellectual property so the reader shouldn't disclose it. Disclosing the same may lead to suing. b. If due to advice or help given in the mail, if there is any damage to a person's computer/data etc. the company wouldn't be held liable. From a company's stand point it may be the right thing to do. a. While the person may be paid on company time for working with FOSS communities the company wouldn't be like to be liable for any help, advice or whatever told by any single individual. b. The possibility of disgruntled employees taking a final shot is always there. One of many reasons that a company may have. While I do not know about ILUG-D but have seen something like the license I pointed out in quite a few mailing lists. Now as far as Mr. Sudhanwa pointed out, 'copyright violation' is a serious allegation. The first draft of my blog post had the notice that the pictures were taken from the freed.in or freed.in flickr pool with hyperlinks given of the two . So there was no attempt to tell that the photos were of my own. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur r...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Also from what little I understand, these matters are still evolving. As Mr. Duggal of Supreme Court says it The same case presented the same way to 5 different judges may lead to 5 different decisions I have my own take in the manner. I don't know if you have written that 'take' down somewhere, but it would be interesting to know more about that. The rationale is that there must be a reason why you feel comfortable CC licensing your mails to the mailing lists and, if that reason is put down somewhere it would perhaps lead to a discussion rather than the shotgun-scatter discussions across mailing lists. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi, --- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: | Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario. \-- Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your day-to-day phone/in-person conversation? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, --- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: | Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario. \-- Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your day-to-day phone/in-person conversation? EULA -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090 Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Thursday 05 Mar 2009, shirish wrote: [snip] @ Raj Mathur . Its your prerogative to do whatever suing you want to for as you my 'persistent combative, militant licensing' If it was an attempt to intimidate me or an attempt at humor then both are unfortunately lost for neither makes sense to me. Sorry to hear that. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine whether it was meant to be humour or intimidation. Let's say that shirish was not just shirisha...@gmail.com but shirisha...@redhat.com or shirisha...@ubuntu.com (Please remember this is all hypothetical) and let's say redhat (or ubuntu) as a matter of policy on their SMTP Server puts a signature which gets added to every mail something on the lines of a. It may have intellectual property so the reader shouldn't disclose it. Disclosing the same may lead to suing. b. If due to advice or help given in the mail, if there is any damage to a person's computer/data etc. the company wouldn't be held liable. From a company's stand point it may be the right thing to do. I'm glad to inform you that you're not being singled out just because you post from a gmail address: quasi-legal crap is explicitly forbidden on most mailing lists. There have been enough cases on, e.g. the Linux-India mailing lists (and AFAIR this one too) where people posting with corporate disclaimers and legal notices have been politely (or maybe not so politely) asked to post from another address. Some of those people were from the top companies in the FOSS arena. Ask anyone who's been around for a few years on public (specially FOSS-related) mailing lists and you'll hear the same answer: legal notices of any sort in individual messages are just not on. I believe you have got the same response from other people on other mailing lists in India too. Now that we've hopefully got over the victimisation issue, let me reiterate the points I'd made: What if two different people post to the list under incompatible licences? What becomes of the list archives? Who is liable for a breach of licence? Who is required to enforce the licence? Can the archives be copied for backup purposes? Can the archives be posted on the Internet? Can you transfer them to your friend on CD? Can you sell that CD for Rs. 2.50? How about for Rs. 2,50,000? How do you share the revenue if a licence demands it? What if one licence demands revenue sharing and another demands no revenue? Will you be willing to help someone who wants to sell the ILUGD archives for, say, Rs 15 (DVD cost) to remove all your messages and quotes of your messages before she sells it? Frankly I doubt if there can be any answers to these questions, since the whole concept of having parts of individual documents in a heterogeneous aggregation under separate, possibly mutually exclusive licences is meaningless. It'd be a bit like permitting each editor of a wiki page to specify a licence for each character and word that she adds/deletes/modifies, and about as fruitful. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Talking about copyrighted material but a little OT. On one of the ISO 27001 related mailing lists I am subscribed to, where most of the people are auditors, copyrights are given very high respect/priority. If someone sends some copyrighted material without any proper permissions from the author, he/she is out of the list immediately and this is what the list admin says: Goodbye copyright_violator. If anyone else would like to leave the mailing list, simply unsubscribe yourself or send me an email request if that's too hard: there's no need to post copyright materials here without permission just to get yourself booted off the list ... The way I see it, foss is all about being reasonable, and having an appropriate level of respect of other peoples time and effort. The free/cc licenses are meant to allow civilised people to use other people's content within the boundaries of that reason. Shirish's way of attribution seemed perfectly reasonable to me but was apparently not compliant with the license. Makes me think that perhaps the license needs to be relaxed a bit. We need to encourage people who are just trying to spread the good word of foss, not alienate them. With Free communities, carrots work better than sticks.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: The way I see it, foss is all about being reasonable, and having an appropriate level of respect of other peoples time and effort. The free/cc licenses are meant to allow civilised people to use other people's content within the boundaries of that reason. Shirish's way of attribution seemed perfectly reasonable to me but was apparently not compliant with the license. Makes me think that perhaps the license needs to be relaxed a bit. We need to encourage people who are just trying to spread the good word of foss, not alienate them. With Free communities, carrots work better than sticks.. Unfortunately Shirish' postings under a specific licence are incompatible with the spirit of mailing lists. What if I decide to license all my mails to the list under, say, CC-BY-SA. What if you decide to use the GNU FDL for all your mails? What if someone else decides to licence her mails under the MS documentation licence? What if yet another person chooses yet another licence? The resulting chaos will be too great to handle. Even backing up your own local copy of the archives may become illegal if everyone posting to the list chooses his/her own licence for their posts. Software projects are well aware of the difficulties of maintaining a single entity under multiple licences, which is why the successful ones insist that all contributions be licensed under the umbrella licence of the project itself. I suggest that exactly the same applies to public mailing lists -- all posts are licensed under the umbrella licence of the list: One licence to rule them all, One licence to find them, One licence to bring them all And in the darkness bind them. [with apologies to J R R Tolkien] Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: The way I see it, foss is all about being reasonable, and having an appropriate level of respect of other peoples time and effort. The free/cc licenses are meant to allow civilised people to use other people's content within the boundaries of that reason. Shirish's way of attribution seemed perfectly reasonable to me but was apparently not compliant with the license. Makes me think that perhaps the license needs to be relaxed a bit. We need to encourage people who are just trying to spread the good word of foss, not alienate them. With Free communities, carrots work better than sticks.. Unfortunately Shirish' postings under a specific licence are incompatible with the spirit of mailing lists. Actually I was referring to the discussion about the freed.in pictures he posted on his blog. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Reply in-line :- On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 23:51, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear shirish, Dear Linuxlingam no need to generate code. Just add static text. Like you see in the credits of a movie or tv documentary, a magazine colophon, a calendar, and anywhere else where authored works need credit, copyright, and licensed text. Atm I have done some stuff so when hovers over the image, one knows who the author of the image is as well as under what license as being suggested on the list. Have also put up a static text, is it good enough. Btw who is the author of the raised hands photo on the freed.in blog entry http://freed.in/2009/news/inauguration-at-freedin2009.html it's my pleasure to accept your thanks in advance for explaining all this to you so persistently and patiently. For any other clarifications there is google. :) regards niyam -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi, Talking about copyrighted material but a little OT. On one of the ISO 27001 related mailing lists I am subscribed to, where most of the people are auditors, copyrights are given very high respect/priority. If someone sends some copyrighted material without any proper permissions from the author, he/she is out of the list immediately and this is what the list admin says: Goodbye copyright_violator. If anyone else would like to leave the mailing list, simply unsubscribe yourself or send me an email request if that's too hard: there's no need to post copyright materials here without permission just to get yourself booted off the list ... -Sudhanwa ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Dear shirish, yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work. This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC. It is tedious, but correct. Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please. regards n -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Reply in-line :- On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear shirish, Dear Niyam, yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work. This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC. It is tedious, but correct. Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please. ok convinced, now need some help with the coding part of the same. This is the code that has been generated by flickr. tda href=http://www.flickr.com/photos/69859...@n00/3307889771/; title=prof. Andrew Lynn by shirishag75, on Flickrimg src=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3545/3307889771_20174d0ffc_o.jpg; width=683 height=1024 alt=prof. Andrew Lynn //a/td The above code is of Prof. Andrew Lynn taken by ramkrishna. Now I do not know of a way in which I can have this sort of code being automatically generated from ramky's photostream which bears his CC stuff as well. A demonstrable example with code how it was accomplished would be nice. regards n -- niyam bhushan -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear shirish, yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work. This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC. It is tedious, but correct. Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please. I tried using the method outlined but it causes a somewhat broken page. http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/ see stuff above Prof. Andrew Lynn's photo. regards n -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Dear shirish, no need to generate code. Just add static text. Like you see in the credits of a movie or tv documentary, a magazine colophon, a calendar, and anywhere else where authored works need credit, copyright, and licensed text. it's my pleasure to accept your thanks in advance for explaining all this to you so persistently and patiently. For any other clarifications there is google. regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Sunday 01 Mar 2009, shirish wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work. This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC. It is tedious, but correct. Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please. I tried using the method outlined but it causes a somewhat broken page. http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/ see stuff above Prof. Andrew Lynn's photo. If it's that tough, just put a URL to the original photo as a caption. Also may help to mention someplace that all the photos were licensed under an open licence when you downloaded them, and if the licence has changed subsequently you'd be willing to remove the offending pic(s) if notified. While on the subject, your mail licensing weirdness: My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ still prevents me from selling a DVD of ILUGD mailing list archives. This is a major blow, since the demand for these DVDs is constantly rising and currently outstrips the combined demand for pirated copies of Popcorn Frigidaire and Catnap Refunds, and I'm going to sue you for making me lose crows worth of legitimate business due to persistent combative, militant licensing. Please, please, please stop licensing your mails with any licence -- all mails to this list are posted under a licence determined by the list owner, and if you don't like that licence just don't post. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi i could not understand cc-license. Can you explain it? On 2/28/09, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: how to use cc-licensed works: under the photo or hte authored work, mention three things: 1. author (who owns the copyright). with the copytight symbol or word, used before this. 2. the year, date, of the copyright (feb 2009) 3. the cc-license being used, in this case, cc-by-3.0 or whatever. a brief sentence (not para) describing he license, and a link to more details of the license. hope this helps. (typed on my mobile with proper english spellings.) regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Reply in-line :- On 28/02/2009, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: how to use cc-licensed works: under the photo or hte authored work, mention three things: 1. author (who owns the copyright). with the copytight symbol or word, used before this. 2. the year, date, of the copyright (feb 2009) 3. the cc-license being used, in this case, cc-by-3.0 or whatever. a brief sentence (not para) describing he license, and a link to more details of the license. Agree with all the above. The only query I have how if one is taking three disparate photographs from a pool. The freed.in flickr pool has three main contributors afai could look linux lingam, ramky and one more person (IIRC) . Let's say hypothetically if I took all the three photographs (randomly) which were from a pool (like the freed.in flickr pool) wouldn't it be tedious saying this one is from this person and the CC license and whatever rather than just giving link to the freed.in pool (as attribution) . Also the authors may choose to have any of the six or remixed versions of those licenses. Can always update my blog with the way given above, but would like to discuss this a bit more. hope this helps. (typed on my mobile with proper english spellings.) regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Here's another Day 1 blog post: http://kbhargava.com/general/freedin-2009.html Only Day 1, since Kabir was only able to attend Day 1. Cheers...Kishore -- party, n.: A gathering where you meet people who drink so much you can't even remember their names. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Even if you don't want to talk about the license you can at least give credit to the person(with the name being linked to the flickr photo page) who has uploaded the photographs, something like Uploaded by: XYZ or Photo credit: XYZ. Of course, if you were using your own photos then this discussion isn't of much importance. But apparently, that isn't the case. On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Reply in-line :- On 28/02/2009, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: how to use cc-licensed works: under the photo or hte authored work, mention three things: 1. author (who owns the copyright). with the copytight symbol or word, used before this. 2. the year, date, of the copyright (feb 2009) 3. the cc-license being used, in this case, cc-by-3.0 or whatever. a brief sentence (not para) describing he license, and a link to more details of the license. Agree with all the above. The only query I have how if one is taking three disparate photographs from a pool. The freed.in flickr pool has three main contributors afai could look linux lingam, ramky and one more person (IIRC) . Let's say hypothetically if I took all the three photographs (randomly) which were from a pool (like the freed.in flickr pool) wouldn't it be tedious saying this one is from this person and the CC license and whatever rather than just giving link to the freed.in pool (as attribution) . Also the authors may choose to have any of the six or remixed versions of those licenses. Can always update my blog with the way given above, but would like to discuss this a bit more. hope this helps. (typed on my mobile with proper english spellings.) regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Abhishek Nandakumar http://www.xabhishek.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Reply in-line :- On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:20, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: dear shirish, dear Linux Lingam, looking at some of those photos and been wondering, how difficult is it for an intelligent and experienced foss-professional such as you, to adhere to the terms of the most liberal creative-commons license, as detailed here: The photos I have taken from the freed.in pool which I have attributed with the link at the bottom of the post A note :- All the pictures have been taken either from freed.in and the freed.in flickr pool. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en as the community, we must follow the correct method of using creative-commons media, else we'll make a mockery of our intentions. baaqi aapki marzee. Please lemme know if I have unknowingly violated any law. If there is a specific way you want me to attribute the photographs please lemme know that as well, would be interested. other than that, your blog-post makes for a nice read on the event. thanks for the effort and the contribution. The blog post from my perspective is far from complete :( regards niyam -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
how to use cc-licensed works: under the photo or hte authored work, mention three things: 1. author (who owns the copyright). with the copytight symbol or word, used before this. 2. the year, date, of the copyright (feb 2009) 3. the cc-license being used, in this case, cc-by-3.0 or whatever. a brief sentence (not para) describing he license, and a link to more details of the license. hope this helps. (typed on my mobile with proper english spellings.) regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi all, Kishore said 'Fedora Foundation' but don't want it to be bogged down by technicalities. He acknowledged the contribution from FSF India as well as Fedora Project and that was my point. I actually wanted to write about Shantanu Choudhary's Offline wikipedia as well but as I don't remember how he looks (and no captions on any of the photographs) its difficult for me for the same. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi all, I also updated the post a bit. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
dear shirish, looking at some of those photos and been wondering, how difficult is it for an intelligent and experienced foss-professional such as you, to adhere to the terms of the most liberal creative-commons license, as detailed here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en as the community, we must follow the correct method of using creative-commons media, else we'll make a mockery of our intentions. baaqi aapki marzee. other than that, your blog-post makes for a nice read on the event. thanks for the effort and the contribution. regards niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundation is for historical purposes only. I hope Kishore did not actually point out this specific URL. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundation is for historical purposes only. I hope Kishore did not actually point out this specific URL. I didn't actually point to any URL at all, I just clearly mentioned the Fedora Project as a supporter of the community and specifically a supporter of freed.in/2009. Cheers...Kishore -- If life is a stage, I want some better lighting. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Kishore Bhargava I didn't actually point to any URL at all, I just clearly mentioned the Fedora Project as a supporter of the community and specifically a supporter of freed.in/2009. Wonderful. You made our day :) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi all, Made a short blog post on Freed.in Day 1 http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/ I see that people have put up the photos but there are no names or descriptions or anything hence had to download them and put up them again. If people could do the needful then would be easier for me to add them and do stuff as well. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
