Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
PS: RMS gave a talk in Cochin yesterday on Free Software in Ethics and Practice. I will try to get hold of a copy of the video and post on youtube or get somebody to post it. suggestion+opinion: stay away from youtube for the above type of video, if you wish to promote foss-based valuesystems. read the EULA of youtube to know more. recommendation: go for blip.tv. lemme know what you did. [snip] Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi sigh! wrong accreditation. actually, Gandhi was quoting Gautam Buddha, who said this first as part of his vision. what we have are current english translations from the original pal via several languages through the ages, but the essential idea is the same. buddha said more on the lines of 'you must be the change you wish to see in the world.' regards niyam bhushan -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
w.r.t your urls, neither of those two even talk about lvm :D Anyway, i think we've had a point made. Time to move on. I guess you made your points. My lesson learnt - It is tougher in Ubuntu to setup raid+lvm than some other distros :). I happen to be a Ubuntu supporter and I had to defend it (at least try) Time to move on. I agree. Cheers Anoop PS: RMS gave a talk in Cochin yesterday on Free Software in Ethics and Practice. I will try to get hold of a copy of the video and post on youtube or get somebody to post it. -- http://www.zyxware.com http://thondomraughts.blogspot.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Jasbir Khehra wrote: The Alternate and Server Install cd use the debian installer. And these are also official builds from Ubuntu. Yup the 'livecd' doesnt have a GUI lvm/md installer. you might want to keep in mind that most people these days have given up on text based installs in business / enterprise setups. I am quite sure most home users dont want to have the hangup of going through a text installer either. Besides, you are mistaken - there is no integrated lvm/raid on d-i either. if there is one, point it out to me. Google comes up with these hints : http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=ubuntu+install+lvm If thats the process you need to follow, perhaps in 1994 or in 1996 it would have been acceptable. however, things have sort of moved on these days. I presume you mean 2004/2006, frankly would like to know more where things have moved on these days. Integrated install setup and even things like install to remote storage are features that most people *need* these days, not the sort of things that are nice. And these sort of things have been available for a long time at various places, I know that Redhat-7.3 had proper raid setup at installtime - and this is what ? 1999 - 2000. Ever tried installing ubuntu to an iscsi target running over infiband ? give it a shot sometime. Let me know how many days it takes you get the code integrated into an automated install process. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Anoop John wrote: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3962140postcount=11 Also check this other link i got from google search on ubuntu software raid during installation http://knowledge76.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Server_Install_With_Software_RAID I am not sure about Raid-6 though Not quite the same thing as clicking on two buttons and moving on huh :D ref: http://www.go2linux.org/pics/centos-base/Screenshot-6.png And CentOS isnt even a bleeding edge distro! w.r.t your urls, neither of those two even talk about lvm :D Anyway, i think we've had a point made. Time to move on. - KB -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 5, 2008 10:49 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have been having some terrible time with Linux RAID recently on Ubuntu. I dont like major changes being done on such critical components without testing. thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. one free alka seltzer for canonical from karanbir, as canonical is trying to create a business model around ubuntu... No problems in many many machines installed in quite a few places with CentOS and RHEL. otoh, setting up a raid with debian, centos, rhel while letting client machines log in with the latest ubuntu 7.10 or fedora is probably a good mix of both eyecandy click-easy end-user experience and solid technical infrastructure. just add a redundant pc running the os, to the redundant array of devices. niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Linux Lingam wrote: thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. one free alka seltzer for canonical from karanbir, as canonical is trying to create a business model around ubuntu... Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? but its an interesting point you raise - Canonical is trying to create a business out of the personal efforts people put into what they understand to be a community effort. That is true. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. -Jasbir ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux Lingam wrote: thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. one free alka seltzer for canonical from karanbir, as canonical is trying to create a business model around ubuntu... Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? me also running such setup on Ubuntu 6.06, since it released, and its working flawlessly :) -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of Setting up software RAID during the installation of Ubuntu is very easy and can be done in a few steps. I had a problem booting into the system after the install because of a configuration issue with grub. I did not solve the problem but I worked around it by copying the MBR on to both hard disks. But Yes I had successfully setup Ubuntu with software RAID and lvm. I dismantled the raid set up when I wanted more space :) (than more redundancy) Cheers Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://thondomraughts.blogspot.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Jasbir Khehra wrote: On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. Last I heard, ubuntu stopped using the debian installer completely since the only official build was the one from the livecd. Which does not do lvm/md unless you drop to the shell and do things manually. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Karanbir Singh wrote: Jasbir Khehra wrote: On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. Last I heard, ubuntu stopped using the debian installer completely since the only official build was the one from the livecd. Which does not do lvm/md unless you drop to the shell and do things manually. Google comes up with these hints : http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=ubuntu+install+lvm If thats the process you need to follow, perhaps in 1994 or in 1996 it would have been acceptable. however, things have sort of moved on these days. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Anoop John wrote: thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of Setting up software RAID during the installation of Ubuntu is very easy and can be done in a few steps. I had a problem booting into the I'd love to find out what the 'easy steps' are in order to get a raid-6 setup and put lvm-span on top of that. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to find out what the 'easy steps' are in order to get a raid-6 setup and put lvm-span on top of that. Like I said, it was quite some time ago that I had tried Ubuntu with RAID. I installed with the alternate install CD and set up raid during the install itself. I did not quite remember the exact steps though but I distinctly remember that I set up the whole thing within an hour. I did a search on software raid installation in ubuntu forums and got this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3962140postcount=11 Also check this other link i got from google search on ubuntu software raid during installation http://knowledge76.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Server_Install_With_Software_RAID I am not sure about Raid-6 though Cheers Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://thondomraughts.blogspot.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 8, 2008 11:25 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: Jasbir Khehra wrote: On 1/8/08, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how that is even relevant here. Ubuntu is incapable of doing a proper custom install. Have you tried setting up lvm / mdraid on an ubuntu install in the recent past ? Doing that since Ubuntu 5.04 i.e. April-2005. No problems at all and 'd-i' is damn neat installer and is capable of handling lvm/mdraid installs. Last I heard, ubuntu stopped using the debian installer completely since the only official build was the one from the livecd. Which does not do lvm/md unless you drop to the shell and do things manually. The Alternate and Server Install cd use the debian installer. And these are also official builds from Ubuntu. Yup the 'livecd' doesnt have a GUI lvm/md installer. Google comes up with these hints : http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=ubuntu+install+lvm If thats the process you need to follow, perhaps in 1994 or in 1996 it would have been acceptable. however, things have sort of moved on these days. I presume you mean 2004/2006, frankly would like to know more where things have moved on these days. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Raj Mathur wrote: On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? Running a server with Debian Etch (stable) with 15 RAID-5 volumes with 6 partitions in each volume + 2 RAID-1 volumes for the past 3 months. No issues so far. ... Blame Ubuntu if you like, but Debian certainly doesn't seem to have any issues with software RAID. Ok. Moved my server to Debian Etch as of yesterday. I will wait and watch what happens :) Thanks. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have been having some terrible time with Linux RAID recently on Ubuntu. I dont like major changes being done on such critical components without testing. thats why I recommend people use a proper distro which has been tested properly in an enterprise or business environment. Ubunbu is not one of them. How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? No problems in many many machines installed in quite a few places with CentOS and RHEL. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
[snipping] On Jan 4, 2008 11:25 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/125471/comments/4 (4th comment, root NOT on raid but booting into initramfs) How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? created raid1, hdd-crashed, failed the bad disk, array running in degraded mode. I can't recall clearly if Feisty busyboxed me when I rebooted after the hdd-crash. The behaviour documented in the bug seems to be crazy from the point of view of people who do not have KVM / physical access to their servers. I would be interested in knowing when this bug manifested itself for the first time, maybe we should pin mdadm to the last sane version, until this gets resolved. ~ViM -- Vipul Mathur vipul[at]linux-delhi.org ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 4, 2008 11:25 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I have been having some terrible time with Linux RAID recently on Ubuntu. I dont like major changes being done on such critical components without testing. [snip] Now I am having serious doubts on using RAID on Ubuntu atleast, and am thinking of moving the server to either Debian or better still FreeBSD(better because I suspect the Ubuntu issues might have some influence from changes in Debian unstable). How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? Running raid1 on Debian unstable for past 4 months. No issues. Worst I have had to face was a general system slowdown for sometime after some power failures while the array synced. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? Running a server with Debian Etch (stable) with 15 RAID-5 volumes with 6 partitions in each volume + 2 RAID-1 volumes for the past 3 months. No issues so far. Of course, this isn't counting the thousands (OK, I exaggerate -- hundreds ;) of client machines I have scattered over the world with Debian and RAID-1, some running for over 3 years with that configuration. Blame Ubuntu if you like, but Debian certainly doesn't seem to have any issues with software RAID. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
Karanbir Singh wrote: 2-4GB RAM 2x320 GB HDD. - which of cheaper motherboards have SATA RAID? if you get a quad core, dont touch the h/w onboard sata raid. Just stick with linux mdraid. The fact that you retain portability and are more or I have been having some terrible time with Linux RAID recently on Ubuntu. I dont like major changes being done on such critical components without testing. At first, for some reasons the uuids on one of raid members changed on its own. I had to cross my fingers and try the solution in this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=410136 Then after I took a backup and rebuilt the RAID, I got hit by this. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/125471/comments/4 (4th comment, root NOT on raid but booting into initramfs) Now I am having serious doubts on using RAID on Ubuntu atleast, and am thinking of moving the server to either Debian or better still FreeBSD(better because I suspect the Ubuntu issues might have some influence from changes in Debian unstable). How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
