Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
Hi Gora, I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open source s/w focused event to a more social revolution kind of event). Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of them may be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't fit my notion of the event. 1. How does a focus on the Knowledge Ecosystem tie in with open source software? It surely ties in with open standards (and file formats), but not necessarily with free/open source software. However, freed.in may focus on the use of open source software in helping create the knowledge system - which is absolutely fine. Except that (a) this is not stated anywhere explicitly in the document, and (b) not all content can be managed properly with open source s/w as of now. 2. The term Knowledge Ecosystem can mean different things to different people. I've read the document carefully, it does not define what knowledge ecosystem means to the organizers of the event in clear concise terms. I think that's important. Also, knowledge can impact lots of aspects of our lives. It would be good to list a few of them, which Freed is planning to focus upon. From the tone of the document, education and government seemed to be the primary focus, but again, helps to be explicit. 3. What does section 1.3 mean? How do you plan to achieve the tangible goals listed out in this section through Freed.in? Wouldn't achieving these goals require a lot more sustained effort than a 3 day event? Section 2.4 answers this question partially, but I'm still a bit skeptical. Also, from a document writing perspective, portions of the text of section 2.4 should be contained in section 1.3 to make things more obvious. 4. Pardon me, but IMHO, most of section 3.1 offers nothing concrete to the user. It simply adds to the sense of vagueness. It should probably be removed and replaced by a succinct definition of the term Knowledge Ecosystem and be moved to somewhere in section 1 itself. 5. This might be my ignorance, but what role do open source licenses (as defined by OSI) play in creating and sharing knowledge? (Also, the link to OSI http://opensource.org opens a website wildly different from http://www.opensource.org!) As an overall comment, the document needs to be more specific. Probably you're expecting community feedback to flesh out the details. But in my opinion, the overall vagueness (and too many buzzwords) hampered my in offering any useful feedback. Making the document shorter and adding a one line mantra (v/s a mission and vision statement) about Freed should help people understand the overall context. And get the ideas flowing. Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 27-Dec-07, at 2:05 AM, Saurabh Nanda wrote: I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open source s/w focused event to a more social revolution kind of event). Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of them may be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't fit my notion of the event. my two paise: LUGs should stick to what LUGs do best - bring new blood in, solve technical problems, get foss introduced in colleges, schools, industry and governement and help fellow luggers to sove their problems. They should leave social revolution and world domination to those more competent to do so. As the Bangalore experience shows, the moment a LUG get's above itself, it is in trouble, it fails to attract new blood, becomes irrelevant and it's goodwill vanishes into the hands of people with different aims to that of a LUG. It is not as if the whole of Northern India is converted to FOSS and the time has come to move to the next stage. The fact is we are sadly lagging in the basics itself - so stick to the basics. No doubt four people will sneer at you - but I personally think that doing what a LUG does is nothing to sneer at, is immensely satisfying and fulfills an important social need that nothing else can do. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for freed.in 2008
Hi all, I can take responsibility to maintain any one page on the wiki can give to the tune of 10 hrs. from my weekly work schedule for anything on the freed site. If anybody has any idea where I could help please lemme know onlist or off-list. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for freed.in 2008
Hi Shirish, On Thursday 27 Dec 2007, shirish wrote: Hi all, I can take responsibility to maintain any one page on the wiki can give to the tune of 10 hrs. from my weekly work schedule for anything on the freed site. If anybody has any idea where I could help please lemme know onlist or off-list. Thanks for the offer! If we had more people discussing and contributing we could actually achieve something! Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 02:05 +0530, Saurabh Nanda wrote: Hi Gora, I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point) and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open source s/w focused event to a more social revolution kind of event). Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of them may be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't fit my notion of the event. Small point of order. I am sure that you understand this, but the event is by no means limited to me, or to the small set of people currently involved in planning it. Instead, it will be what the community wants it to be. So, by all means, such comments are welcome. We were actually a little worried by the lack of response to such a dramatic change in the focus of Freed, and a constructive discussion would be much appreciated. I am a little pressed this morning, so here is a brief reply. Please note that these remarks are solely in an individual capacity. 1. How does a focus on the Knowledge Ecosystem tie in with open source software? It surely ties in with open standards (and file formats), but not necessarily with free/open source software. [...] Similar concerns were expressed by other people in Freed.in. To my mind, the aim is only to be more inclusive of other areas where the ideals shared by the free software movement might be fruitfully shared. To me, the freedom in free software is more interesting than the software part. Also, while future directions remain to be seen, my idea of remaining in touch with FOSS is that any efforts will always be centred around projects with a significant ICT component. 2. The term Knowledge Ecosystem can mean different things to different people. I've read the document carefully, it does not define what knowledge ecosystem means to the organizers of the event in clear concise terms. I think that's important. Also, knowledge can impact lots of aspects of our lives. It would be good to list a few of them, which Freed is planning to focus upon. From the tone of the document, education and government seemed to be the primary focus, but again, helps to be explicit. The document is deliberately vague because we want participants to define what the knowledge ecosystem means in the context of Freed.in. There are a few example areas outlined at the bottom of the document, and yes, education, and formulation of government policy are interest areas. 3. What does section 1.3 mean? How do you plan to achieve the tangible goals listed out in this section through Freed.in? Wouldn't achieving these goals require a lot more sustained effort than a 3 day event? Section 2.4 answers this question partially, but I'm still a bit skeptical. Also, from a document writing perspective, portions of the text of section 2.4 should be contained in section 1.3 to make things more obvious. Freed.in 2008 is intended to be: (i) a planning conclave to more clearly define the areas we should focus on, and to lay out a roadmap, and (ii) a showcase for current projects in this area. Yes, the document rambles, and a more concise version has been prepared, and will be circulated soon as an invitation to participate. 4. Pardon me, but IMHO, most of section 3.1 offers nothing concrete to the user. It simply adds to the sense of vagueness. It should probably be removed and replaced by a succinct definition of the term Knowledge Ecosystem and be moved to somewhere in section 1 itself. Please be as critical as you would like to be. I disagree in that I feel that government policy in terms of mandating open standards, and the role of government as a disseminator of content are central to making the knowledge ecosystem work. Also, economic development is what is driving the Indian and Chinese governments in particular to invest heavily in education, and I also feel that the soft aspects of globalisation, such as bringing Internet access to more and more parts of the world, will strongly impact any future system of creating, and sharing knowledge. 5. This might be my ignorance, but what role do open source licenses (as defined by OSI) play in creating and sharing knowledge? (Also, the link to OSI http://opensource.org opens a website wildly different from http://www.opensource.org!) In short, the various kinds of licences from OSI allow people to share their work on the terms that they wish to, while remaining open. It is important that there be well-established licenses allowing sharing under different conditions, rather than everyone rolling their own. As an overall comment, the document needs to be more specific. Probably you're expecting community feedback to flesh out the details. But in my opinion, the overall vagueness (and too many buzzwords) hampered my in offering any useful feedback. I agree that the document meanders too much, and sometimes offers platitudes instead of concrete action. To a certain extent, this is deliberate,
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
[As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups there.] On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 08:21 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [...] my two paise: LUGs should stick to what LUGs do best - bring new blood in, solve technical problems, get foss introduced in colleges, schools, industry and governement and help fellow luggers to sove their problems. They should leave social revolution and world domination to those more competent to do so. Um, this discussion was more about the focus of the event, Freed.in, rather than about ILUG-Delhi, or LUGs in general. In that context, or even generally, I strongly disagree. The free in free software is more interesting than the software. As the Bangalore experience shows, the moment a LUG get's above itself, it is in trouble, it fails to attract new blood, becomes irrelevant and it's goodwill vanishes into the hands of people with different aims to that of a LUG. [...] I have no idea what relevance the above has, and have no interest in digging up past skeletons. So, will let this pass without comment. It would make more sense if you could put this into the context of the current discussion. How are the discussions to date in any way a matter of a LUG getting above itself? As always, Freed.in will be what the community wants it to be. Aren't you rather the one trying to mandate that XYZ is what a LUG should do? Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
[As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups there.] How do I subscribe to it? The Freed 2008 wiki has no link to the mailing list web interface. The Freed 2007 link (at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2007/TakingPart) doesn't work. Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 12:19 +0530, Saurabh Nanda wrote: [As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups there.] How do I subscribe to it? The Freed 2008 wiki has no link to the mailing list web interface. The Freed 2007 link (at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2007/TakingPart) doesn't work. Try http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/freed have fixed the broken links in the Freed2007 web, and also copied the page over to http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2008/TakingPart Thanks for letting us know of the problem. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 27-Dec-07, at 11:50 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: It would make more sense if you could put this into the context of the current discussion. How are the discussions to date in any way a matter of a LUG getting above itself? As always, Freed.in will be what the community wants it to be. Aren't you rather the one trying to mandate that XYZ is what a LUG should do? yes I am mandating what a LUG should do. A LUG has a specific sphere of activity. It should stick to that. Looking at the discussions on this LUG list, I see installation issues, new software initiatives, more installation issues. Some discussions on programming problems. A bit about localisation. A lot about finding foss substitutes for proprietary software. I don't see any high funda discussions of knowledge and freedom. I also see the fact that this LUG has not had a *single* college program in the last two years. Once again, I suggest you stick to the basics and leave social revolution to the philosophers. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
Saurabh Nanda wrote: [As noted by Raj, this discussion should move to the Freed mailing list (copied on this message). All future follow-ups there.] How do I subscribe to it? The Freed 2008 wiki has no link to the mailing list web interface. The Freed 2007 link (at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2007/TakingPart) doesn't work. Now available at gmane too at http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi.freed. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Sunday 16 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. You probably need to find a mail client that has the equivalent of a ``reply-to-list'' function. Any reasonable mail client today will have that. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Dec 17, 2007 1:47 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: if you mean that one cannot keep a wiki spam free if one allows non- logged-in users to post, explain these: If you are willing to volunteer to keep an eye on every edit and keep it spam-free, then ofcourse we can do that(the prominent ones you mentioned have dedicated teams looking at this). Else, this is probably a decision made by the admin keeping in the mind the ratio of maintenance overheads vs actual number of moderators for the wiki. Wiki had, as it has put on it's site, more than 1000 editors as of 2005 for the articles to monitor. But do we indeed have such kind of resource privilege. I don't think so. I don't know about your wiki, but I have had enough of my share of administrating public wikis, and I am ok with the loss of privacy that you are probably concerned with. Besides, as dear friend Karunakar has already pointed; having a track of regular contributors to the project has it's own share of benefits too. - Smruti ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ,--[ On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 02:03:46PM +0530, Raj Mathur wrote: | On Sunday 16 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: | [snip] | And it | looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. | | You probably need to find a mail client that has the equivalent of a | ``reply-to-list'' function. Any reasonable mail client today will have | that. There is an option on Mailman preferences page, named Avoid duplicate copies of message, due to which Mailman won't send message to you, if you're already listed in recipients list (in To: or Cc: fields). HTH - -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHZkNWHy+EEHYuXnQRAspEAJwM3jf68USrJeTUwZ8CH4Mz4hZdtgCdHH9T wf06ku6S9k5oRcz5baGEyMk= =7IOb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Monday 17 Dec 2007, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla wrote: [snip] There is an option on Mailman preferences page, named Avoid duplicatecopies of message, due to which Mailman won't send message to you, ifyou're already listed in recipients list (in To: or Cc: fields). HTH Am aware of that and prefer not to use it, since then replies land up ONLY in my inbox and not in the list folder. Messes up threading of messages something awful. Much simpler if people would just use the appropriate tool (in this case the reply to list function) for the appropriate job :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 17-Dec-07, at 1:47 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: if you mean that one cannot keep a wiki spam free if one allows non- logged-in users to post, explain these: If you are willing to volunteer to keep an eye on every edit and keep it spam-free, then ofcourse we can do that(the prominent ones you mentioned have dedicated teams looking at this). Else, this is probably a decision made by the admin keeping in the mind the ratio of maintenance overheads vs actual number of moderators for the wiki. i had huge problems in my wikis - especially hidden spam. Hundreds of hits a day. Then I linked in akismet, and all my problems went away. djangoproject.com also uses akismet - and very little spam there too. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 17-Dec-07, at 2:03 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: On Sunday 16 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. You probably need to find a mail client that has the equivalent of a ``reply-to-list'' function. Any reasonable mail client today will have that. my mail client is pretty reasonable and works perfectly for every other member in every other list I belong to (and this list too). I think you need to remove the reply-to yourself header you are adding. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Dec 16, 2007 10:31 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16-Dec-07, at 7:47 AM, Raj Shekhar wrote: why not make it truly open - allowing edits without a login? And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. As the lolcats would say ' I'm in yur wikiz, spamming it to death if you mean that one cannot keep a wiki spam free if one allows non- logged-in users to post, explain these: http://en.wikipedia.org - no login needed to edit I guess either the wiki has to be not so popular to be of interest to spammers or there have to be people watching over it. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam Though there's nothing wrong in requiring contributors to register (as long as their email addresses are kept private), IMHO. -- Manish http://code.djangoproject.com - no login needed to edit http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ - no login needed to edit http://registration.fossconf.in/code/ - no login needed to edit ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Dec 15, 2007 1:45 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15-Dec-07, at 9:53 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: Hi, We have made some significant changes in the focus of Freed.in for the 2008 event, [snip] http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2008/ConceptDoc good stuff gora, especially with section '3'. redhat conducted something almost exactly the same last year in Delhi. you mean 2006's event Owning the Future. yup, i attended it and it was a brilliant event. You have also left out the leading lights of the FOSS movement like Fred, Nagarjuna, Atul Chitnis and Indranil. sigh! too many centripetal discussions stemming out of kenneth's simple and helpful suggestion. so, just went and edited the wiki and added the above four names, plus also added kenneth's name. see you guys, and everyone else reading this email, at freed.in 2008: i came, i saw, i ate. er.. actually, our formal slogan is 'Freed.in 2008: Knowledge Shall Set You Free :-) niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: if you mean that one cannot keep a wiki spam free if one allows non- logged-in users to post, explain these: If you are willing to volunteer to keep an eye on every edit and keep it spam-free, then ofcourse we can do that(the prominent ones you mentioned have dedicated teams looking at this). Else, this is probably a decision made by the admin keeping in the mind the ratio of maintenance overheads vs actual number of moderators for the wiki. I don't know about your wiki, but I have had enough of my share of administrating public wikis, and I am ok with the loss of privacy that you are probably concerned with. BTW, wikipedia has had its share of problems and had some time back tightened its editing rules. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikipedia_tightens_editorial_control - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Dec 16, 2007 7:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15-Dec-07, at 9:04 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip] redhat conducted something almost exactly the same last year in Delhi. You have also left out the leading lights of the FOSS movement like Fred, Nagarjuna, Atul Chitnis and Indranil. It's an open Wiki -- create a login and add whatever information you feel is missing. why not make it truly open - allowing edits without a login? And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. Having logins helps know who are the kind folk sparing their time to give ideas, suggestions.. also to know who is maintaining a specific page (and also useful when the ILUGD rule #1 is to be applied!! ;-) Karunakar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 15-Dec-07, at 9:53 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: Hi, We have made some significant changes in the focus of Freed.in for the 2008 event, having chosen to look at the entire knowledge ecosystem, and the role of the free flow of information in it. We have spent quite some time thinking about this, and a draft document is available online: http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Freed2008/ConceptDoc Please do take a look at it, and comment on this list, or preferably edit the document directly. Time is of the essence, so that we ask that if you wish to comment on it, please do so forthwith. redhat conducted something almost exactly the same last year in Delhi. You have also left out the leading lights of the FOSS movement like Fred, Nagarjuna, Atul Chitnis and Indranil. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Saturday 15 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] redhat conducted something almost exactly the same last year in Delhi. You have also left out the leading lights of the FOSS movement like Fred, Nagarjuna, Atul Chitnis and Indranil. It's an open Wiki -- create a login and add whatever information you feel is missing. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 15-Dec-07, at 9:04 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip] redhat conducted something almost exactly the same last year in Delhi. You have also left out the leading lights of the FOSS movement like Fred, Nagarjuna, Atul Chitnis and Indranil. It's an open Wiki -- create a login and add whatever information you feel is missing. why not make it truly open - allowing edits without a login? And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
in infinite wisdom Kenneth Gonsalves spoke thus On 12/16/2007 07:19 AM: why not make it truly open - allowing edits without a login? And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. As the lolcats would say ' I'm in yur wikiz, spamming it to death ' -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will 'Borg? Sounds Swedish.' - Lily, Star Trek First Contact ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On 16-Dec-07, at 7:47 AM, Raj Shekhar wrote: why not make it truly open - allowing edits without a login? And it looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. As the lolcats would say ' I'm in yur wikiz, spamming it to death if you mean that one cannot keep a wiki spam free if one allows non- logged-in users to post, explain these: http://en.wikipedia.org - no login needed to edit http://code.djangoproject.com - no login needed to edit http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ - no login needed to edit http://registration.fossconf.in/code/ - no login needed to edit -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
