Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 12:43, Raj Shekhar wrote: i visited the cauce india site. couldn't figure out what is a PIL though i read thru their pages. PIL == Public interest ligitation. I am not sure how to go about doing this, I will have to do some research how exactly it works in our country. But if my limited knowledge serves me well, you do not have to be a lawyer to file a PIL in the court. Any citizen concerned about something can file a PIL in the high court. okay, dokey, here's some stuff i've dug out for you: lawyer who can help: Lawrence Liang Alternative Law Forum in bangalore. email: alforum / at / vsnl dot net gimme a day or two, i'll try to dig up the contact details of the other guy, who is a member of a consumer action group in delhi. I am willing to contribute money for this PIL. We can contact CAUCE with this idea. However a PIL would require that people are aware of this nuisance and that spamming is unlawful in other countries. Since CAUCE seems to have an idea what spam is, we can ask them to file a PIL. They would be able to brief the lawyers better. i think that's a good idea. earlier, i had seen some contact cgi-form on their site. if you haven't noted, the mainstream newspapers and magazines these days are full of spam, cover-to-cover from the political parties and politicians out to get your vote. ;-) OK, you must be referring to the Slimes of India :). That is not a mainstream newspaper, its a pop paper now, pandering to page 3 type people. Just my NSHO :) more seriously, news is commodity and its actual media is optional: sms, tv, radio, google-news, to print newspaper. so no surprise newspapers are trying to redefine their role. we live in the world of concurrent media, as no one medium cancels out any other. i could ask niyam to rant in some of his columns or talks. that megalomaniac is always looking for something to rant about. [grin] I second that idea. But I am not sure how mainstream LFY is. but niyam will figure out a way of taking this mainstream. he could also do a typical job of also yacking about it in his larger-scale seminars, college/university talks, and starting some grass-roots movement. i request people here to email NGOs like Centre for Science Environment, the guys who publish down to earth magazine. Can you post URL of these organizations ? I will contact them. This weekend I will make a email explaining about spam and using that as a template contact these organizations. Let us hope for a positive response. yes, dug out their url too.http://www.cseindia.org/ you'll find contact details, and further that of downtoearth on their site. you know, apart from these methods, we are not looking at how to use technology to stop this. any ideas? how could we fortify existing tools or make them even more lethal for battling such spam, such that it disables the perpetrators. or, can we think of a bold new idea? i like vipul's cloudmark idea. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
LinuxLingam wrote: anyone interested in taking on the mantle of eff.org in india? that could really change things around and put these guys on the defensive. LL, if we start a eff chapter in India we will have to do everything from scratch, personally I vote against it. With this in mind, I did a search on anti spam law india on google and came across Inidan chapter of CAUCE (http://www.india.cauce.org/). Check out their Got Spammed? page (http://www.india.cauce.org/spammed.html) for some good advice. It appears that there are no anti-spam and anti-telemarketing laws in India. Do you think we can put a PIL against them ? I am willing to contribute money for this PIL. We can contact CAUCE with this idea. However a PIL would require that people are aware of this nuisance and that spamming is unlawful in other countries. Are you aware of any mainstream newspapers/magazines which would give a sympathetic ear to a techie's ravings about this topic? A few letters and articles can help in spreading the word. -- / \__ (@\___Raj Shekhar / O My home : http://geocities.com/lunatech3007/ / (_/My blog : http://lunatech.journalspace.com/ /_/ U ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
LinuxLingam wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 21:27, Raj Shekhar wrote: LL, [snip] I did a search on anti spam law india on google and came across Inidan chapter of CAUCE (http://www.india.cauce.org/). Check out their Got Spammed? page (http://www.india.cauce.org/spammed.html) for some good advice. It appears that there are no anti-spam and anti-telemarketing laws in India. Do you think we can put a PIL against them ? i visited the cauce india site. couldn't figure out what is a PIL though i read thru their pages. PIL == Public interest ligitation. I am not sure how to go about doing this, I will have to do some research how exactly it works in our country. But if my limited knowledge serves me well, you do not have to be a lawyer to file a PIL in the court. Any citizen concerned about something can file a PIL in the high court. I am willing to contribute money for this PIL. We can contact CAUCE with this idea. However a PIL would require that people are aware of this nuisance and that spamming is unlawful in other countries. kindly explain. Since CAUCE seems to have an idea what spam is, we can ask them to file a PIL. They would be able to brief the lawyers better. if you haven't noted, the mainstream newspapers and magazines these days are full of spam, cover-to-cover from the political parties and politicians out to get your vote. ;-) OK, you must be referring to the Slimes of India :). That is not a mainstream newspaper, its a pop paper now, pandering to page 3 type people. Just my NSHO :) i could ask niyam to rant in some of his columns or talks. that megalomaniac is always looking for something to rant about. [grin] I second that idea. But I am not sure how mainstream LFY is. i request people here to email NGOs like Centre for Science Environment, the guys who publish down to earth magazine. Can you post URL of these organizations ? I will contact them. This weekend I will make a email explaining about spam and using that as a template contact these organizations. Let us hope for a positive response. -- \°°/ (oo) +ooO-- -Ooo-+ |Raj Shekhar |My home: | |System Administrator|http://geocities.com/lunatech3007 | |Media Web India |My blog: | |http://www.netphotograph.com|http://lunatech.journalspace.com | +---+ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
[snip everything] :-) to cut a long story short, irrespective of how they harvest email ids or phone numbers or personal data, how can we exercise our need for privacy, rather than begging to have it back? action plan, anyone? you can't digitally black list telemarketeers, right? my demands to know how they got my phone numbers and details in the first place are usually met with a startled silence followed by a quick click of phone-disconnect. only to have some other voice call me back a few days later. how do i stop begging to have no junk phone calls, posts, emails, or sms from marketeers, and *enforce* this? :- LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
here's a great example of unsolicited stuff. but then, i wish i had the same position of strength to fight back ;-) U.S. Army Warns Microsoft To Back Off http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/11/0053239 [0]declan writes My CNET News colleague Ina Fried has written an interesting article today about how [1]the U.S. Army has told Microsoft to stop sending free CD-ROMs of Office 2003 to government employees. In what's effectively a cease and desist order, the Army said: 'Your offer of free software places our employees and soldiers in jeopardy of unknowingly committing a violation of the ethics rules and regulations to which they have taken an oath to uphold.' Whoops! Perhaps this is Microsoft's latest way to [2]fight free software at the Pentagon. Remember that just 8 months ago, the Army [3]paid $471 million for Microsoft licenses. Links 0. http://www.mccullagh.org/ 1. http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5171976.html 2. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/23/0320226tid=109 3. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/26/132212tid=109 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
--- LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , right? my demands to know how they got my phone numbers and details in the first place are usually met with a startled silence followed by a quick click of phone-disconnect. only to have some other voice call me back a few days later. hmm.. a problem all of us face. I use a very rude approach and sometimes resorte to foul language. I know its not a good method, but it works!!! Till date i have never received a call from the company whose tele-caller i rebuffed. But again telecallering companies are like spammers, you blacklist one and three rise from nowhere :-( how do i stop begging to have no junk phone calls, posts, emails, or sms from marketeers, and *enforce* this? Stil trying to figure out how to stop junk SMS, especially fro myour service provider.I receivve one daily sharp at 10 a.m (belive me you can set yur watch with thsi sms). I had called up my service proiders office several times only to listen that its part of customer awareness program. -- VK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 LL == linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LL [snip] LL how do i stop begging to have no junk phone calls, posts, LL emails, or sms from marketeers, and *enforce* this? Uh, you want to do this in a country where today I received a spam recorded message on my mobile from the incumbent Prime Minister? He probably wanted to sell me blue carpet, but I was busy and cut off his spiel after 5 seconds. Yeah, right, get the Government to take action on spam! No apologies for cynical worldview. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iD8DBQFAULFbyWjQ78xo0X8RAqXmAJ4w3Nhb1mVWTcLtNHWN/s9UOKbftACfRDX7 03qXliTNPXhEvb7CleWMj6I= =YiSM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 22:22, vivek khurana wrote: hmm.. a problem all of us face. I use a very rude approach and sometimes resorte to foul language. I know its not a good method, but it works!!! Till date i have never received a call from the company whose tele-caller i rebuffed. But again telecallering companies are like spammers, you blacklist one and three rise from nowhere :-( the only thing you gain is a habit of using foul language, when you wish to be in a pleasant mood for your won good. someone is forcing you into this. your moves, like that of a lot of people, are signs of desparation and failure. which is why i strongly feel a proactive approach is required. Stil trying to figure out how to stop junk SMS, especially fro myour service provider.I receivve one daily sharp at 10 a.m (belive me you can set yur watch with thsi sms). I had called up my service proiders office several times only to listen that its part of customer awareness program. you bet. ;-) anyone interested in taking on the mantle of eff.org in india? that could really change things around and put these guys on the defensive. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 00:05, Raj Mathur wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 LL == linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LL [snip] LL how do i stop begging to have no junk phone calls, posts, LL emails, or sms from marketeers, and *enforce* this? Uh, you want to do this in a country where today I received a spam recorded message on my mobile from the incumbent Prime Minister? He probably wanted to sell me blue carpet, but I was busy and cut off his spiel after 5 seconds. Yeah, right, get the Government to take action on spam! No apologies for cynical worldview. Regards, - -- Raju see! didn't i predict raj will take a cynical view when it come to this message? wait till ghane wakes up but raj, or anyone else, if you receive this spam recorded message from the incumbent PM again, do post it on a website for the sake of the said politician's posterior... er, for posterity's sake. am sure should something be formulated for tackling the issue of digital and realworld privacy, this recording could be of some help. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 01:21, LinuxLingam wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 00:05, Raj Mathur wrote: [SNIP] To get back to experiences.. I got on line with Airtel and wanted them to stop sending me Service provider sms. I was told if I did not wantthem I could get SMS service switched off!!! They did not care that I was paying for this service for my use!! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:59, Raj Shekhar wrote: [snip] The suspicious thing was that is addressed me as Dear Linux professional. The only place I had given out that particular email ID was at LinuxAsia. Are they selling those email IDs? Has any one you got such mails too? Moral of the story : Use a mailinator.com email ID the next time when registering for any such event. LL, please come out with your article on privacy and spam soon. an article won't be enough. i wrote to EFF (eff.org) to ask them if they had an indian chapter or something. they said no, but said you or anyone in india could start one. i think this is the answer to battling the 'theft' and 'invasion' of our privacy. though raj mathur will cynically smile and mutter, 'what privacy? and ghane will coldly point out my privacy is none of my business and is the privilege of the powers that be ;-) still, i love fighting a losing battle. tell me what we need to do. i'd love to go and kick some real hard ass of people who call me in the afternoon when i am about to take a nap wondering if i'd love to lose sleep paying instalments on a loan. that is, after i've politely said no about 30,000 times. or if i'd love to buy a car, and call again every day to check. or procure my mobile number and make me an offer i am not supposed to refuse. or mail me a credit card free. or pile junk into my mailbox. or LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
i love fighting a losing battle. tell me what we need to do. Start with the same case reported by honorable Raj Mathur -- 'Sapm' Whoops! Spam from amkette. Find who was responsible for this mail in the poor INBOX of Raj and why the *hell* did they do that??? [RAJ] The suspicious thing was that is addressed me as Dear Linux professional. The only place I had given out that particular email ID was at LinuxAsia. Are they selling those email IDs? Has any one you got such mails too? And if this suspect becomes truth! Ask the explanation from these guys and tell them to prove there justification for this 'Sin'... Then if some success is achieved, burn the newspapers, magazine and badly publicize the same... I am sure after that we will be in a position wherein Sandip Bhattacharya will also get 'Insaaf' for the offence made by Indiatimes astrology promo mail. I am sure you have the powers and you *will* win the battle... Good Luck! BR, GSS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
professional. The only place I had given out that particular email ID was at LinuxAsia. Are they selling those email IDs? Has any one you got Are you sure you gave it only at linux asia ? Google.com - Linux professional raj shekhar email and rajshekhar_at_hotpop.com I found your email ID listed on 400+ linux related pages using various searches on google. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
amit soni wrote: Are you sure you gave it only at linux asia ? Google.com - Linux professional raj shekhar email and rajshekhar_at_hotpop.com You are missing the point. If you are planning an email marketing blitz you do not go about searching for individual emails. You will buy them from email harvesters. I get offers like millions of emails in a single a spreadsheet for Rs.1600 only almost regularly. (Will post one if I get it today). A technique common in Delhi is to collect the emails of the college going people. If you attend a college fest, you will find stalls put up by NIIT, Aptech, other computer institutes giving out flyers and asking students for their emails and address. The poor students are then flooded with telephone calls and emails (and of course more flyers). I found your email ID listed on 400+ linux related pages using various searches on google. I use this email id (i.e. the hotpop one) for mailing lists only. Hence a bit of spam on this ID is expected. However, the amkette spam came to me on my official email ID and that email ID was the one I had given out at LinuxAsia. -- / \__ (@\___Raj Shekhar / O My home : http://geocities.com/lunatech3007/ / (_/My blog : http://lunatech.journalspace.com/ /_/ U ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] sapm from amkette
--- LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moral of the story : Use a mailinator.com email ID the next time when registering for any such event. good suggstion [snip] an article won't be enough. i wrote to EFF (eff.org) to ask them if they had an indian chapter or something. they said no, but said you or anyone in india could start one. i think this is the answer [snip] Lets go ahead with it, i ready to join hands with you LL. regards vivek khurana = # # ### # # # # # # Linux##v## Rules! ## vvv ## # ## ## ## ### ### +++# ##++ ++# #++ +++# #+++ +###+ +++ +++ Message void if penguin violated Don't mess with the penguin Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
