Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
I think the discussion would add value by debating on yet another dimension: I think we have had ENOUGH of this vs that OS wars. Migration / adoption of this or that Operating System question is shortly going to be irrelevant at many a places for a variety of valid reasons. However, what is going to be the deciding line, in most rational thinking places, is the applications which most end users are going to use. In so far as adoption by Corporates are concerned, the two most influencing category of applications are 1. Office suites and 2. ERP. Let us analyse this adoption/migration debate in the following light: 1. Office Suite: Can we discuss OpenOffice vs MS Office Adoption / Migration instead of Windows vs Linux, irrespective of the underlying OS? What are the compelling offerings in OpenOffice that will make people move over from MS Office? With the war on suites now shifting to the File Standard Formats, some of the issues we generally discuss are yet again irrelevant. In fact it is the proprietary marriage of Office-suite with Groupware and Collaboration, in form of Microsoft Sharepoint Portal, that is forcing most Corporates to continue with Microsoft Office, than adopting OpenOffice, which is good enough for most users. Do we have an answer to Sharepoint Portal Server? In my opinion, Plone makes a case, but to achieve such tight integration as Sharepoint Portal, we need a proactive community effort. I am still looking at one-easy-way to create and deploy Forms based applications, of course that they should comply to XForms standards. Another viable alternative to Plone has been Alfresco. See http://www.webtekconcepts.com/2007/01/17/alfresco-vs-sharepoint/ and http://www.protocol16.com/2007/05/28/alfresco-vs-sharepoint-1-of-4/ for more details. It is not just plain OpenOffice vs MS Office issue. It is about Corporate Applications getting locked up for lloog times and in turn raising a much more complex issue of migration!!! 2. ERP: Though many an established ERP solutions in the market are known to be available on Linux as well. But how many of these ERP Consultants talk about ERP on top of Linux? How many of these reputed ERP offerings have their application clients [Rich Client] available on Linux? We need to take the Windows vs Linux debate to cover newer dimensions. Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
Hi, On 6/26/07, Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows in at least 95% of the cases. Original, authentic, licensed? If they really knew the amount they had to pay for the original, and if laws were enforced, you might want to re-think on the percentage. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rahul Upakare Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:21 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux Also, if you are familiar with Windows you can use Linux, but if you are addicted to Windows then you cannot. Its not a question of addiction. It's a matter of habit. Gabbar Singh equates to Amjad Khan and not to Amitabh Bachchan what Ram Gopal Varma is trying to do. He's fighting a losing battle. I went OT here. But this is the best example I could think of as I am also a movie buff. If you can't imagine anyone else but Amjad Khan as Gabbar Singh, then try changing the world from Windows to Linux on the desktop. The server battle is already won. Want more examples ? Try replacing Prithviraj Kapoor as Emperor Akbar in Mughal-e-Azam or Madhubala as Anarkali or Dilip Kumar as Prince Salim. It's just not going to work. Due apologies to the listadmin for going way too OT here. It is just a matter of time. Time changes everything. How much time are we talking of here. Microsoft released Windows 95 in 1995. They predicted that all PC's will be manufactured with pre-loaded Windows. Now we are in 2007. Red Hat came out with their 6.2 version in 1999 if I am not mistaken. Everyone dubbed it as the best and stable release then. Improvements kept happening on that over a period of time. We are now in 2007. How much will it take to change things. Microsoft released Vista in January 2007. It is June now. All PC's that are coming out from factories have Vista on them or with a Vista ready sticker. I am not writing this in favour of Microsoft. It's just plain facts and the reality out there. Cheers, Surjo. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On 6/26/07, Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not a question of addiction. It's a matter of habit. Gabbar Singh equates to Amjad Khan and not to Amitabh Bachchan what Ram Gopal Varma is trying to do. He's fighting a losing battle. I went OT here. But this is the best example I could think of as I am also a movie buff. If you can't imagine anyone else but Amjad Khan as Gabbar Singh, then try changing the world from Windows to Linux on the desktop. The server battle is already won. Want more examples ? Try replacing Prithviraj Kapoor as Emperor Akbar in Mughal-e-Azam or Madhubala as Anarkali or Dilip Kumar as Prince Salim. It's just not going to work. Due apologies to the listadmin for going way too OT here. You have compared originals with re-make. Is it the same case with Windows and Linux? Only thing I can understand is migration is always difficult. I find difficult to use Windows myself. How much time are we talking of here. ... If not started already, start from your home. I have already started. It could be then chain reaction or nuclear reaction or whatever to increase the number of Linux users. Number of Linux users and quality are inter-dependent factors. If quality is not good, there won't be much Linux users, but if number of Linux users keep increasing, possibility of increasing the quality is more. Regards and best wishes, -- Rahul Upakare ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Surjo Das wrote: Its not a question of addiction. It's a matter of habit. Gabbar Singh equates to Amjad Khan and not to Amitabh Bachchan what Ram Gopal Varma is trying to do. He's fighting a losing battle. I went OT here. But this is the best example I could think of as I am also a movie buff. If you can't imagine anyone else but Amjad Khan as Gabbar Singh, then try changing the world from Windows to Linux on the desktop. The server battle is already won. My head whirled a bit, I have no clue of these Hindi cinema stuffs, its way too [OT] for me. You are comparing a OS being marketed|sold by a company with all its evil monopolistic business attitudes to an OS which is there all due to the selfless contribution of the community. Though the fact remains that Windows still occupies 95% of the world desktop, the reason is not people themselves embraced it, rather due to the early successful monopolistic business tactics that Windows became a synonym for Computers with the end users. But when it comes to servers, the people who use them know how a server should be and were intelligent enough to select GNU/Linux over Windows, which was a right decision. But, in the desktop market, we were never interested in doing marketing for GNU/Linux. Remember, Windows is not a Free OS, even Free as in Free Beer. So M$ was the need to do marketing because they were getting loads of $$. I agree that Redhat and Novel do too, but still you have an army of Free GNU/Linux distributions available. I second Shakthi's opinion that if at all there were strict piracy rules in our country, we would have seen more people adopting GNU/Linux. We do not have more weightage when we say You have to pay for Windows, but GNU/Linux is free. Nobody ever paid for their Windows. How much time are we talking of here. Microsoft released Windows 95 in 1995. They predicted that all PC's will be manufactured with pre-loaded Windows. Now we are in 2007. Red Hat came out with their 6.2 version in 1999 if I am not mistaken. Everyone dubbed it as the best and stable release then. Improvements kept happening on that over a period of time. We are now in 2007. How much will it take to change things. Microsoft released Vista in January 2007. It is June now. All PC's that are coming out from factories have Vista on them or with a Vista ready sticker. If I have enough $$$ as Uncle Bill, I will buy at least half of those PCs coming out and install Ubuntu in them, and make sure things just work ;) But, what we have with us (I mean the FOSS community) is the passionate users who are ready to help one another. Do you know how many users moved to or atl east started trying GNU/Linux after the release of Vista ? Do you know how many Windows users are still sticking with their Windows XPs ? I end up my arguments here. We are going to go nowhere with just arguments. If you really care, join those passionate GNU/Linux users who try to spread the awareness amongst their friends and neighbors. That is how we can conquer the world. :) - -- With Regards - --- Parthan aka Technofreak [weblog] http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com [flickr] http://flickr.com/photos/techno_freak [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGgNOtk4vYYS/wECYRArrFAJwLXSqkW+9GAyxqRghe/qvTDOpskQCghf7q JQ36WFlLPSpnV+Fhw+riLJ0= =lFq3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
Hi, On 6/26/07, Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All PC's that are coming out from factories have Vista on them or with a Vista ready sticker. When was the last-time you visited a kitchen in a 5-star hotel in India? My advice is please don't. You will never again eat in 5-star hotels. The ambience/cleanliness you see in the restaurant, is not the same in the kitchen. When I visited Delhi for a day, I had Roti from a Dhaba-wala eatery (or how do you call them?) on the road-side. It was fresh, very tasty too. You can see him prepare the food. He didn't have a trademark/company. But, the food was extremely good. On the same day, I also went to Sheraton (?) restaurant in Delhi domestic airport. The food was crap/awful/terrible, and was for INR 400. Not worth it. In a proprietary world, what you get is _not_ what you really paid for. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
--- Shakthi Kannan wrote: When was the last-time you visited a kitchen in a 5-star hotel in India? My advice is please don't. You will never again eat in 5-star hotels. The ambience/cleanliness you see in the restaurant, is not the same in the kitchen. When I visited Delhi for a day, I had Roti from a Dhaba-wala eatery (or how do you call them?) on the road-side. It was fresh, very tasty too. You can see him prepare the food. He didn't have a trademark/company. But, the food was extremely good. On the same day, I also went to Sheraton (?) restaurant in Delhi domestic airport. The food was crap/awful/terrible, and was for INR 400. Not worth it. In a proprietary world, what you get is _not_ what you really paid for. In some way, this makes sense of proprietary and Free and Open Source software world. However, there are authorities, that are there to watch-over the 5-star hotels? If those authorities are not honest, one doesn't get what he pays for. -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in Listen to Legal music - Listen to FM Radio (Mumbai) ubunturos @ freenode Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
Surjo Das wrote: It is just a matter of time. Time changes everything. How much time are we talking of here. Microsoft released Windows 95 in 1995. They predicted that all PC's will be manufactured with pre-loaded Windows. Now we are in 2007. Red Hat came out with their 6.2 version in 1999 if I am not mistaken. Everyone dubbed it as the best and stable release then. Improvements kept happening on that over a period of time. We are now in 2007. How much will it take to change things. Question is, what do you want to change? Or, how would you say that we have succeeded? IMHO, - Our aim is not to fight Microsoft. - Even if you think we are fighting Microsoft, we are not fighting it just because it is a marketing leader and we are jealous of that. Its simply in our way. :) - We are not specifically after world domination (no matter what Linus joked about :) ). Though it might be a side-effect ;) - We do not want to *force* people to use FOSS. We want to convince them of the non-technical benefits too, apart from technical advantages. This is far more difficult than lying through your teeth and telling people that You should upgrade, because the new OS *looks* so much better! We are simply trying to move towards a direction where software is free - in all senses of the word. It takes time and effort to do that and comparison with the closed source world is not just unfair but out of place, because by its very nature, this is a movement mostly backed by volunteers. The FOSS area has changed a lot since the days of RHL 6.2, and yes, it was one of the best FOSS distros at that time. But there have been a lot of good distros in the market since then. And in terms of coverage of the needs of an average computer users, the present FOSS options cover a much bigger swathe of what not just an average computer user would need, but also that of specialized user needs - Edubuntu, Knoppmyth, Ubuntu Studio, etc. Therefore for a lot many people, all their computing needs are adequately satisfied, and this comes with advantages of using FOSS. They can keep their dignity unlike the users of Windows whose status are worse than slaves(XP activation? Vista protected data path? The bad side of OEM licenses?) So stop focusing on market shares etc. for a change, and think deeper of how users are actually benefiting from improvements in Windows, and what FOSS is giving them in turn. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
Hi, On 6/26/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, there are authorities, that are there to watch-over the 5-star hotels? But, are they doing their job? You will never know. I never knew until I went for a friends' reception at Taj, in Chennai, and saw a 'waiter' licking the ice-cream on the plate, while taking it to the elevator. Nobody knows which poor lad in the hotel room had to eat it for dessert. If those authorities are not honest, one doesn't get what he pays for. The point is that with proprietary models, you have to simply accept the agreements, and not ask questions. So, you blindly accept whatever the vendor says, whether they say new version/improved technology/tech jargons, and what not. Dumb end users think it is so appealing. Business people think it is great marketing (for sales of course). Only the developers know what are the problems/bugs that continue to exist in the proprietary products. IMO, that is cruelty to end users. I'll stop here. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 16:39 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Our aim is not to fight Microsoft. Yeah, that is the point. Don't make a bad father out of MS, and don't make a crybaby out of GNU-Linux (actually, the genealogy of GNU-Linux posits its lineage much before the birth of this bad father). These two are altogether different kinds of ball-game, though they have kind of a likeness in their domains of definition. GLinux can forget MS: forget as in king's forgetfulness a la Nietzsche. Let MS be MS, let us be us, and if possible, progressively a better us. We are different and we are happy that way. A lot of us are very happy with the way GLinux is working and developing and bettering. This bettering doesn't mean being like MS, it means being more perfect and elegant in GLinux's own way. If anyone has any suggestion there, we are all ears. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
--- Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never come across any mission critical applications running on Windows servers. Its mostly UNIX or Linux. Do you have some data from some research or is this because you feel it that way? Regards, --Naresh Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On 26-Jun-07, at 7:47 AM, Surjo Das wrote: so you recommend we all shift to vista? I never recommended that we all shift to Vista. It is a matter of choice of every individual user. I am using Vista at home because my wife is familiar only with Windows. I didn't try to convert her to Linux as she has never heard of it. She heard it for the first time when I mentioned it to her. why on earth did you mention it to her? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On 26-Jun-07, at 9:13 AM, Surjo Das wrote: community, I feel it's up to companies like Red Hat and Novell to promote the Linux desktop. And there too, they are targeting corporate and not the home segment. IMHO, its up to Red Hat and Novell to promote Linux on the desktop and not the LUGs. just curious, what on earth are you doing on a LUG mailing list? Slumming? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Naresh Narang Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:46 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux I have never come across any mission critical applications running on Windows servers. Its mostly UNIX or Linux. Do you have some data from some research or is this because you feel it that way? 12+ years of experience in the IT Industry my friend :) Cheers, Surjo. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Gonsalves Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:52 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux On 26-Jun-07, at 9:13 AM, Surjo Das wrote: community, I feel it's up to companies like Red Hat and Novell to promote the Linux desktop. And there too, they are targeting corporate and not the home segment. IMHO, its up to Red Hat and Novell to promote Linux on the desktop and not the LUGs. just curious, what on earth are you doing on a LUG mailing list? Slumming? Good to hear from you after a long time doc. Will mail you off-list :) Regards, Surjo. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
My Father and mother use Linux (FC6) on our home PC with no issues at all. Infact they did not even feel a change from XP. They edit pictures,do mail, internet. I did not have to hand hold them at all. On the other hand several of our managers at work complain endlessly about how it used to work in Windows. It a perception based problem, not to do with functionality of either OS. The only way to change this perception is to give training,support and then do it all over again :-) . Vikram Ranade Rahul Upakare wrote: On 6/26/07, Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recommended that we all shift to Vista. It is a matter of choice of every individual user. I am using Vista at home because my wife is familiar only with Windows. I didn't try to convert her to Linux as she has never heard of it. She heard it for the first time when I mentioned it to her. My parents (age 60 and above) never heard of Linux, but they are using it without any problem. What problem they are facing is typing and handling mouse. So, the real challenge is to provide easy input methods/devices. I am currently trying Dasher for them. Also, if you are familiar with Windows you can use Linux, but if you are addicted to Windows then you cannot. I only reiterated the market reality. Microsoft has the desktop market already. If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows in at least 95% of the cases. It is just a matter of time. Time changes everything. Regards and best wishes, -- Rahul Upakare ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
Hi, On 6/25/07, Lokesh Bhog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During Windows Vista's first six months on the market, Microsoft released four security updates to address 12 total vulnerabilities ... out of how many undisclosed vulnerabilities? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lokesh Bhog Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:44 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20070622/bs_nf/53263 So what can we conclude from this report ? I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate for the last 4 months and I send my mails from Outlook. I have never faced any issues. I do agree that Linux is an excellent OS but it holds good only for servers. I have never come across any mission critical applications running on Windows servers. Its mostly UNIX or Linux. I have even seen some servers running on Novell NetWare. Microsoft has already captured the desktop market way back in 1995 when Windows 95 was released. Regards, Surjo. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On 25-Jun-07, at 8:56 PM, Surjo Das wrote: So what can we conclude from this report ? I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate for the last 4 months and I send my mails from Outlook. I have never faced any issues. I do agree that Linux is an excellent OS but it holds good only for servers. I have never come across any mission critical applications running on Windows servers. Its mostly UNIX or Linux. I have even seen some servers running on Novell NetWare. Microsoft has already captured the desktop market way back in 1995 when Windows 95 was released. so you recomend we all shift to vista? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On 6/25/07, Lokesh Bhog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the basis of these numbers, Jones concluded that Vista was more secure than its open-source counterpart. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20070622/bs_nf/53263 Besides the point made by Shakti Kannan, how many applications does Vista have and how many does RHEL have? I guess we should come out with a small linux distro consisting of just a handful of utilities and show that it's the most secure OS out there. I don't think the article cares about functionality. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Gonsalves Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:01 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux so you recommend we all shift to vista? I never recommended that we all shift to Vista. It is a matter of choice of every individual user. I am using Vista at home because my wife is familiar only with Windows. I didn't try to convert her to Linux as she has never heard of it. She heard it for the first time when I mentioned it to her. I only reiterated the market reality. Microsoft has the desktop market already. If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows in at least 95% of the cases. On the server side, there are no doubts that Linux is a very strong player. Regards, Surjo. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Surjo Das wrote: It is a matter of choice of every individual user. Agreed! :) I am using Vista at home because my wife is familiar only with Windows. I didn't try to convert her to Linux as she has never heard of it. She heard it for the first time when I mentioned it to her. IMHO, there is never an option of conversion, there is either adoption or migration. And, people do not use GNU/Linux mainly because [1] They are not aware [2] They have not got the opportunity to try it [3] They need support to use it, especially when they encounter some problem. If you are a GNU/Linux user, you can very well help your wife in migration from Windows to GNU/Linux, but that is not going to happen in a day or a week, may be a month or two. I only reiterated the market reality. Microsoft has the desktop market already. If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows in at least 95% of the cases. On the server side, there are no doubts that Linux is a very strong player. This is because everything comes preloaded and people do not care much to find that there is an alternative. Also, they are not aware that they are actually paying for the Windows they get preloaded or the local assembler is using Pirated copies. I won't accept that people think GNU/Linux is not a match for Windows; I have installed and helped in migration of lot of my friends and they are now happy GNU/Linux users. Thanks to people like Dell, we have started to get the right kind of opportunity to go preloaded. Its we, GNU/Linux users have to take some responsibility in at least creating an awareness amongst our friends and relatives circle. - -- With Regards - --- Parthan aka Technofreak [weblog] http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com [flickr] http://flickr.com/photos/techno_freak [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGgINhk4vYYS/wECYRAmb/AJ0dUhIIWrHC3aS6RzD93Sv8eV5/nwCfTBwE ObblgD2VFBKTsB+RIu7eIgc= =RjRh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parthan S R Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:42 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux I won't accept that people think GNU/Linux is not a match for Windows; I have installed and helped in migration of lot of my friends and they are now happy GNU/Linux users. Thanks to people like Dell, we have started to get the right kind of opportunity to go preloaded. Its we, GNU/Linux users have to take some responsibility in at least creating an awareness amongst our friends and relatives circle. The reason why Dell is giving a choice of pre-loaded Linux is because they don't want to pay Microsoft for a Windows licence. Moreover, they are doing this to bring down the price of their entry level PC's. When Microsoft releases any new version of their desktop OS, they don't need to do anything to convince people to migrate to it. They phase out the earlier versions and make their current versions as the only available choice. PC manufacturers end up with no choice. Do Windows users try to convince their friends or relatives to use XP or Vista ? They don't because there is no need to. It's already available on their PC's :) More than the Linux community, I feel it's up to companies like Red Hat and Novell to promote the Linux desktop. And there too, they are targeting corporate and not the home segment. IMHO, its up to Red Hat and Novell to promote Linux on the desktop and not the LUGs. Regards, Surjo. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
On 6/26/07, Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never recommended that we all shift to Vista. It is a matter of choice of every individual user. I am using Vista at home because my wife is familiar only with Windows. I didn't try to convert her to Linux as she has never heard of it. She heard it for the first time when I mentioned it to her. My parents (age 60 and above) never heard of Linux, but they are using it without any problem. What problem they are facing is typing and handling mouse. So, the real challenge is to provide easy input methods/devices. I am currently trying Dasher for them. Also, if you are familiar with Windows you can use Linux, but if you are addicted to Windows then you cannot. I only reiterated the market reality. Microsoft has the desktop market already. If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows in at least 95% of the cases. It is just a matter of time. Time changes everything. Regards and best wishes, -- Rahul Upakare ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
