Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
I've been running OpenOffice 3.0.1 I've been running NeoOffice to get it more Mac-like. My only complaint is that it clones the world's worst software. :P -- Malcolm 800MHz 17 flat panel iMac running Leopard (1GB RAM, 500GB HD) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Malcolm O'Brien malcolmo2...@hotmail.com wrote: I've been running NeoOffice to get it more Mac-like. My only complaint is that it clones the world's worst software. Excel is one of the most useful programs I use. OO only *LOOKS* like it. It misses the point many times. It's OK, if you just want to make a nice colored table for your presentation. Entourage is what enables my G5 work Mac (under Tiger) to exist at all since its the way that I connect to the Exchange server, for mail and calendar, in an exclusive windows workplace. There is AFAIK no free alternative. So as far as I am concerned, M$ has enabled me to use my Mac in my workplace. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 6, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Malcolm O'Brien wrote: I've been running OpenOffice 3.0.1 I've been running NeoOffice to get it more Mac-like. My only complaint is that it clones the world's worst software. :P Open Office 3 and higher is Mac-Native, and runs faster than neoOffice. And right about the cloning thing. :-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Excel is one of the most useful programs I use. I never really had to use it at work, but I _did_ have to know about it and knew that it was very capable. Used gulp VisiCalc and Lotus at work mostly. Although I wrote a manual for a spreadsheet program (Professional Calc, IIRC, on the Amiga), I haven't really used one in years. thinking back I have a membership list that's in a spreadsheet but I don't remember what's installed on the machine! looks to see Oh, it's Excel! That's funny. :) OO only *LOOKS* like it. It misses the point many times. I did not know that. What a surprise! connect to the Exchange server About which I know less than nothing. M$ has enabled me to use my Mac in my workplace. The best thing they've ever done, in my view! :D -- Malcolm 800MHz 17 flat panel iMac running Leopard (1GB RAM, 500GB HD) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Open Office 3 and higher is Mac-Native, and runs faster than neoOffice. Good to know! Thanks, Bruce. -- Malcolm 800MHz 17 flat panel iMac running Leopard (1GB RAM, 500GB HD) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
At 9:35 AM -0700 2/5/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dan wrote: I have complained often... to no avail. Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. To an extent, but in many cases it's out of the local IT handssometimes it's ineptitude or extortion on the part of outside vendors. [etc] That would come under the heading of bad oversight (management). Sometimes it's because out outside-imposed rules on the IT people; for instance by UA policy (handed down by the AZ Board of Regents) it is mandatory that any system connected to the UA campus network run an antivirus program. In theory that includes my iPod. In practice that also means my netbook running Linux. GalDurnediPodViruses! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 8:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:35 AM -0700 2/5/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dan wrote: I have complained often... to no avail. Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. So often, even today, management believes everything the IT department says because they are baffled by the BS. If any other department tried it heads would roll. To an extent, but in many cases it's out of the local IT handssometimes it's ineptitude or extortion on the part of outside vendors. [etc] That would come under the heading of bad oversight (management). All too often it comes down to a lack of choices. Such as computers that are the front end for instruments. The manufacturer ships it with some version of the OS and then for years never updates it. So when the computer front end dies you're stuck either finding an aged replacement for it buying a whole new system, even though the instrument itself is fine. Or some in house database that uses a web browser front end but it only works with ONE version of ONE web browser on ONE platform. In either case your only other choice(s) may be just as bad. Sometimes it's because out outside-imposed rules on the IT people; for instance by UA policy (handed down by the AZ Board of Regents) it is mandatory that any system connected to the UA campus network run an antivirus program. In theory that includes my iPod. In practice that also means my netbook running Linux. Mac OS X IS my antivirus program. At the school I worked at the district IT people mandated that an AV program be running on all computers. And I was ready to install it as soon as a Virus existed. And the whole district is Mac with the exception of a few computers at the district office and the cafeteria checkout system. This was the same district IT department that only knew they had a virus on one of their windows servers after I detected it from the school. It just felt SO good when I stopped banging my head on the wall. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Clark Martin wrote: If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. What we need is to find out why so much office work is being done in Macedonian and Serbian on Macs. Are they busy planning to take over the world or something. I'd have to go spelunkling in the OO site to check but I expect that it could be because official government agencies and such have adopted OO. I know there are state governments in Germany that have mandated OSS like Linux and OO for their internal use. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Clark Martin wrote: It's like the railroads still having firemen on diesel engines 20 years after steamers disappeared. I expect this to be more for public safety purposes: making sure the engineer stays awake or that someone's there to manage if the engineer croaks...a 2-mile long runaway freight train going 70 MPH is a scary frikkin' thing. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
RE: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
There's also something to be said for personnel knowing a mature system for security. I worked for Sungard Availability Services where certain systems/etc have to have 99.999% uptime. So in 2007 they had WinXP (from 2002) systems with IE 6 all patched up with other layered security parts throughout the OSI stack because their XP config had been tested/validated for several years. I'd bet money they won't go to Vista or Windows 7 until 2012 at least, if that. It took them years to go from NT4 to XP... OSI mnemonic for younger folks: All People Seem to Need Data Processing Application Presentation Session Transport Network Data-link Physical So there's another reason IE 6 isn't going anywhere for a while. But I don't think Google is really concerned with the market that Sungard serves. -Original Message- From: imaclist@googlegroups.com [mailto:imacl...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:04 AM [snip] Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. [snip] -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
I've heard mention of IE7 being more of a 'shuffle' forward (from IE6) rather than a 'step'... although you'd think that at least security would be a little better. IE8 was really much faster, at least to install, on my VPC/WinXP; I was disappointed at having to dump it (due to pages rendering blank). My issue re IE6/7 involves lack of support for transparent PNGs. I don't know if IE8 has support yet. And unfortunately, IE still has 62% of the market: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/ie8-chrome-have-most-momentum-in-browser-wars.ars?utm_source=Ars+Technica+Newsletterutm_campaign=8453abf144-February_5_2010_Newsletterutm_medium=email Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: While the computers are usually closed by the IT department, Firefox reigns in my area. Unfortunately, hospital specific software (laboratory results and Radiology apps) only work on IE, so to use these we have to switch to IE. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 9:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Clark Martin wrote: It's like the railroads still having firemen on diesel engines 20 years after steamers disappeared. I expect this to be more for public safety purposes: making sure the engineer stays awake or that someone's there to manage if the engineer croaks...a 2-mile long runaway freight train going 70 MPH is a scary frikkin' thing. It was a union thing. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 8:50 AM, SteveCraft wrote: There's also something to be said for personnel knowing a mature system for security. I worked for Sungard Availability Services where certain systems/etc have to have 99.999% uptime. So in 2007 they had WinXP (from 2002) systems with IE 6 all patched up with other layered security parts throughout the OSI stack because their XP config had been tested/validated for several years. I'd bet money they won't go to Vista or Windows 7 until 2012 at least, if that. It took them years to go from NT4 to XP... The problem with the It works, why change it. system is that change isn't always predictable. It's predictable there will be change (although, not by everyone) but when is the big question. A place I worked at had three different computer based systems all using IBM PS/2 systems. We'd been using the same model for several years. When finally we found out they were going away we (I) started shopping for a new computer. I was only doing it for one of the products but the others said we'll use what you pick. So I went and found something and it worked well. Well almost but that's another story. But one of the other products that controlled some machinery used lots of software timing loops to control things. Everyone admitted that was bad but no one would make the call to fix it. Their solution was to replace all the PS/2 systems in the field with the new computer and change all the timing loops accordingly. I did point out that next year we might / should plan on a different computer. It would certainly be faster and would break those software timing loops again. What where they going to do, replace all the computers in the field AGAIN. I don't know, I was gone by then. I'm sure they made it work and I'm sure they did just the minimum to do so. If there is anything the computer industry is good at, it's change. Yet so many people get caught by surprise when it happens... again... and again. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 9:48 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:14 AM -0800 2/5/2010, Clark Martin wrote: What we need is to find out why so much office work is being done in Macedonian and Serbian on Macs. Are they busy planning to take over the world or something. Outsourcing. If it was I don't think it would be in Macedonian or Serbian. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Such as computers that are the front end for instruments. The manufacturer ships it with some version of the OS and then for years never updates it. So when the computer front end dies you're stuck either finding an aged replacement for it buying a whole new system, even though the instrument itself is fine. Our ICU management software until three/four years ago ran on 486s. You can imagine the problems IT guys had to keep enough spare parts around! They had a bunch of old computers scavenged from everysource to provide spares. The system took some 15 years to run on a modern box. :-) Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Bruce Johnson wrote: If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. Why? Allegedly because they haven't had enough PPC users sign up to do their exhaustive testing to release the PPC version from Release Candidate status, EVEN THOUGH the code for the PPC and Intel versions ARE IDENTICAL...it's a simple compiler switch; their rules for the main download page state that only official releases are allowed there. So to get the 3.1.1 version of US English OO for PPC you have to go spelunking thorough their web site until you find it. I've been running OpenOffice 3.0.1 on my iMac G5 under Mac OS 10.4.11 for a long time. I've just upgraded to Mac OS 10.5.8 and Open Office 3.0.1.still works. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Well then they will loose many users, won't they? Not a matter of the slightest concern to them, I assure you. When the Internet wasn't public and Compuserve was the biggest service at 7 million, all of us sysops told them, If you do these things, subscribers will leave in droves. They did them. EVERYBODY left. How many people do you know on Compuserve today? I stopped being able to connect to it while still a sysop! But they got exactly what they were looking for, I'm sure. they are effectively closing the window to the Internet to low end users Nothing of the sort! I have looked without success for an older version of Safari for my 12“ , 800 Mhz iBook and cannot find it. I did the same for my iMac. The only way I got it was by getting Leopard onto my iMac (which doesn't meet the stated requirements for Leopard). who says there is freedom of information? Not a blessed soul. is this a concerted strategy from business? Of course! -- Malcolm 800MHz 17 flat panel iMac running Leopard (1GB RAM, 500GB HD) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Yeah, Firefox for one is climbing rapidly re market share on pcs... and my sites designed (Dreamweaver CS4; I'm not a programmer per se) on mac look the same on winxp in Safari, Firefox, etc. And from what I've seen re IE8 screenshots of my pages (I tried using IE8 on my G4 Powerbook running Leopard and VPC 7, but could only bring up blank pages although it actually loaded sites) at least the layouts are identical, and fonts are better rendered than in 6 and 7. I just feel better including IE6/7 at this time. Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: As a web site designer I'm still throwing condcoms at 1E6/7. The latest stats (Jan2010) show that IE6 still has 20.07% market share (IE7 has 17.1%, and IE8 has 22.31%). It's plummeting fast. You may feel 'free at last', but I saw an article recently where MS announced they would be supporting IE6 until 2014: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-continue-ie6-support-until-2014/ I wonder whether that policy will change now, after the Great Chinese Hole was found. I would be foolhardy to ignore IE6 at this point, as much as I would like to... It depends. If you have to be open to all comers, then yeah, you're stuck; after all, you were just able to give up the IE4 stuff what, last week? 8-P For sites where you can reasonably demand that the users change, it's becoming very easy to drop it (and all you have to to is point to the recent googlehacking to get bosses to sign on!). What I'm tired of is websites still demanding that ONLY IE is allowed, particularly public-facing ones...like the AZ Board of Medicine. http://www.azmd.gov/ Go to their Physician Search page to see HTML atrocity. I've contacted them and their official response to Mac users is essentially 'GFY, got to the library and use a real computer' -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Thanks for the important info, Gorka. Many institutions are like your hospital I'm certain. The problem is that the older the browser, the less secure... those ie versions are full of holes, and on top of that eventually those will 'break' as the web pushes tech ever more forward... then people will have to upgrade or be left out. But I don't blame companies for not upgrading every time the latest greatest comes out; after all it's really expensive, especially in man hours, when a lot of people have to get used to a new 'environment'. You might want to mention the Firefox and Opera browsers to somebody there who has some clout... they work great on Windows as well as Mac, and they certainly must be more secure than anything MS is currently throwing at Windows users. Actually, Firefox has been cannibalizing IE market share, at an ever -increasing rate of speed, over the past few months from what I understand. Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: As a web site designer I'm still throwing condcoms at 1E6/7. The latest stats (Jan2010) show that IE6 still has 20.07% market share (IE7 has 17.1%, and IE8 has 22.31%). You may feel 'free at last', but I saw an article recently where MS announced they would be supporting IE6 until 2014: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-continue-ie6-support-until-2014/ I would be foolhardy to ignore IE6 at this point, as much as I would like to... In my hospital until last year most computers (and we have many!) were using IE 6. Now many have been upgraded to IE7, but older models are still running with IE6. All computers use Windows XP Professional and there are no plans to move to Windows 7 in a near future. There a few older machines with Win 2000 or even Win 98, but disappearing fast. Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
While the computers are usually closed by the IT department, Firefox reigns in my area. Unfortunately, hospital specific software (laboratory results and Radiology apps) only work on IE, so to use these we have to switch to IE. I have complained often... to no avail. Gorka - Original Message - From: Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com To: imaclist@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010 Thanks for the important info, Gorka. Many institutions are like your -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Well then they will loose many users, won't they? if all Internet businesses did this, they are effectively closing the window to the Internet to low end users with Macs that are already very capable but cannot, even of they wanted upgrade to those newer browsers. I know of TechSmith also, that will not have available their Jing to users that do not have the latest OS in Mac. What a waste. I have looked without success for an older version of Safari for my 12“ , 800 Mhz iBook and cannot find it. I am stuck with the older Safari on that machine. So in the future, it is going otbe the best Internet for those who can afford to buy bew computers with their accompanying OS. who says there is freedom of information? is this a concerted strategy from business? On Feb 2, 10:42 am, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com lowend...@gmail.com wrote: I received this email from Google. Although it most directly impacts Google Docs and Google Sites at this point, Gmail and Google Calendar are next on the list. There's no mention of Google Groups, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens here in the coming year. I have some browser suggestions at the end of this posting. - - - - - Dear Google Apps admin, In order to continue to improve our products and deliver more sophisticated features and performance, we are harnessing some of the latest improvements in web browser technology. This includes faster JavaScript processing and new standards like HTML5. As a result, over the course of 2010, we will be phasing out support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as other older browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers. We plan to begin phasing out support of these older browsers on the Google Docs suite and the Google Sites editor on March 1, 2010. After that point, certain functionality within these applications may have higher latency and may not work correctly in these older browsers. Later in 2010, we will start to phase out support for these browsers for Google Mail and Google Calendar. Google Apps will continue to support Internet Explorer 7.0 and above, Firefox 3.0 and above, Google Chrome 4.0 and above, and Safari 3.0 and above. Starting this week, users on these older browsers will see a message in Google Docs and the Google Sites editor explaining this change and asking them to upgrade their browser. We will also alert you again closer to March 1 to remind you of this change. In 2009, the Google Apps team delivered more than 100 improvements to enhance your product experience. We are aiming to beat that in 2010 and continue to deliver the best and most innovative collaboration products for businesses. Thank you for your continued support! - - - - - Free Mac browsers, other than Safari (which you should already have). Versions compatible with oldest versions of OS X and oldest hardware listed ahead of those with higher system requirements: Opera 10, OS X 10.3 and later,http://www.opera.com/ Firefox 3.6, OS X 10.4 and later,http://www.mozilla.com/ Camino 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later,http://caminobrowser.org/ Camino 1.6 supports OS X 10.3.9,http://caminobrowser.org/download/ SeaMonkey 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later,http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Shiira 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later,http://shiira.jp/en Flock, OS X 10.4 and later,http://www.flock.com/ Google Chrome, Intel only, OS X 10.5 and later,http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=mac Mac OS 9 users, I don't think Classilla (http://classilla.org/) is going to be supported, but you never know. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
RE: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
The window is not just closed on low-end Mac users, but low-End PC users, folks with Newton MessagePads, not-iPhone-phones, and about a zillion other devices most of us have never heard of. To an extent, I see this as a business opportunity for someone with some money+guts+meda savvy. As Microsoft and Google and Apple (and Adobe) continue to chase after the disposable income of society's upper crust with software features (and bloat), they continue to leave a gap with the other 95% of the computing world (people in The West without a computer made in the last 2 years, plus another billion people in Asia/Africa/South America). A person/company with money+guts+media savvy would: 1. Invest $n in a browser app suite that runs in a cloud computing environment like Amazon or Terramark or etc. a. Maybe just invest in a proxy that layers in front of Google Apps and acts like a pass-through between the client and Google. 2. Invest $n in contracting out some developers with savvy in developing for the top n low end browsers 3. Invest $n in getting the word out that no browser left behind. Of course this is all theoretical. I don't know what the ROI would be on such a thing. -Original Message- From: imaclist@googlegroups.com [mailto:imacl...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MacDiva Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:05 AM To: iMac Group Subject: Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010 Well then they will loose many users, won't they? if all Internet businesses did this, they are effectively closing the window to the Internet to low end users with Macs that are already very capable but cannot, even of they wanted upgrade to those newer browsers. I know of TechSmith also, that will not have available their Jing to users that do not have the latest OS in Mac. What a waste. I have looked without success for an older version of Safari for my 12“ , 800 Mhz iBook and cannot find it. I am stuck with the older Safari on that machine. So in the future, it is going otbe the best Internet for those who can afford to buy bew computers with their accompanying OS. who says there is freedom of information? is this a concerted strategy from business? On Feb 2, 10:42 am, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com lowend...@gmail.com wrote: I received this email from Google. Although it most directly impacts Google Docs and Google Sites at this point, Gmail and Google Calendar are next on the list. There's no mention of Google Groups, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens here in the coming year. I have some browser suggestions at the end of this posting. - - - - - Dear Google Apps admin, In order to continue to improve our products and deliver more sophisticated features and performance, we are harnessing some of the latest improvements in web browser technology. This includes faster JavaScript processing and new standards like HTML5. As a result, over the course of 2010, we will be phasing out support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as other older browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers. We plan to begin phasing out support of these older browsers on the Google Docs suite and the Google Sites editor on March 1, 2010. After that point, certain functionality within these applications may have higher latency and may not work correctly in these older browsers. Later in 2010, we will start to phase out support for these browsers for Google Mail and Google Calendar. Google Apps will continue to support Internet Explorer 7.0 and above, Firefox 3.0 and above, Google Chrome 4.0 and above, and Safari 3.0 and above. Starting this week, users on these older browsers will see a message in Google Docs and the Google Sites editor explaining this change and asking them to upgrade their browser. We will also alert you again closer to March 1 to remind you of this change. In 2009, the Google Apps team delivered more than 100 improvements to enhance your product experience. We are aiming to beat that in 2010 and continue to deliver the best and most innovative collaboration products for businesses. Thank you for your continued support! - - - - - Free Mac browsers, other than Safari (which you should already have). Versions compatible with oldest versions of OS X and oldest hardware listed ahead of those with higher system requirements: Opera 10, OS X 10.3 and later,http://www.opera.com/ Firefox 3.6, OS X 10.4 and later,http://www.mozilla.com/ Camino 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later,http://caminobrowser.org/ Camino 1.6 supports OS X 10.3.9,http://caminobrowser.org/download/ SeaMonkey 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later,http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Shiira 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later,http://shiira.jp/en Flock, OS X 10.4 and later,http://www.flock.com/ Google Chrome, Intel only, OS X 10.5 and later,http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=mac Mac OS 9 users, I don't think Classilla (http://classilla.org/) is going
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: As a web site designer I'm still throwing condcoms at 1E6/7. The latest stats (Jan2010) show that IE6 still has 20.07% market share (IE7 has 17.1%, and IE8 has 22.31%). It's plummeting fast. You may feel 'free at last', but I saw an article recently where MS announced they would be supporting IE6 until 2014: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-continue-ie6-support-until-2014/ I wonder whether that policy will change now, after the Great Chinese Hole was found. I would be foolhardy to ignore IE6 at this point, as much as I would like to... It depends. If you have to be open to all comers, then yeah, you're stuck; after all, you were just able to give up the IE4 stuff what, last week? 8-P For sites where you can reasonably demand that the users change, it's becoming very easy to drop it (and all you have to to is point to the recent googlehacking to get bosses to sign on!). What I'm tired of is websites still demanding that ONLY IE is allowed, particularly public-facing ones...like the AZ Board of Medicine. http://www.azmd.gov/ Go to their Physician Search page to see HTML atrocity. I've contacted them and their official response to Mac users is essentially 'GFY, got to the library and use a real computer' -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
I received this email from Google. Although it most directly impacts Google Docs and Google Sites at this point, Gmail and Google Calendar are next on the list. There's no mention of Google Groups, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens here in the coming year. I have some browser suggestions at the end of this posting. - - - - - Dear Google Apps admin, In order to continue to improve our products and deliver more sophisticated features and performance, we are harnessing some of the latest improvements in web browser technology. This includes faster JavaScript processing and new standards like HTML5. As a result, over the course of 2010, we will be phasing out support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as other older browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers. We plan to begin phasing out support of these older browsers on the Google Docs suite and the Google Sites editor on March 1, 2010. After that point, certain functionality within these applications may have higher latency and may not work correctly in these older browsers. Later in 2010, we will start to phase out support for these browsers for Google Mail and Google Calendar. Google Apps will continue to support Internet Explorer 7.0 and above, Firefox 3.0 and above, Google Chrome 4.0 and above, and Safari 3.0 and above. Starting this week, users on these older browsers will see a message in Google Docs and the Google Sites editor explaining this change and asking them to upgrade their browser. We will also alert you again closer to March 1 to remind you of this change. In 2009, the Google Apps team delivered more than 100 improvements to enhance your product experience. We are aiming to beat that in 2010 and continue to deliver the best and most innovative collaboration products for businesses. Thank you for your continued support! - - - - - Free Mac browsers, other than Safari (which you should already have). Versions compatible with oldest versions of OS X and oldest hardware listed ahead of those with higher system requirements: Opera 10, OS X 10.3 and later, http://www.opera.com/ Firefox 3.6, OS X 10.4 and later, http://www.mozilla.com/ Camino 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later, http://caminobrowser.org/ Camino 1.6 supports OS X 10.3.9, http://caminobrowser.org/download/ SeaMonkey 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Shiira 2.0, OS X 10.4 and later, http://shiira.jp/en Flock, OS X 10.4 and later, http://www.flock.com/ Google Chrome, Intel only, OS X 10.5 and later, http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=mac Mac OS 9 users, I don't think Classilla (http://classilla.org/) is going to be supported, but you never know. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
But we already knew long ago that Google was evil. All I use it for is these groups, and I don't use a browser for them. -- Malcolm 800MHz 17 flat panel iMac running Leopard (1GB RAM, 500GB HD) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
