Re: New Mac platform
Not really. My primary desktop system is an iMac G4 17 1.25Ghz, and my most powerful is a MBP intel i7 Mid-2010 15, yet i use my iMac more than my MBP. Using PowerPC is never over... And it will never will be. I am keeping all of my PowerPC machines, and intels too. I am waiting for Apple to go back to PowerPC or to abandon intel. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 2010/10/29 16:06, Mystic Prowler so eloquently wrote: I understand keeping production of faster and faster processors could be tough, but look at IBM today! The world's first processor running at 4.6Ghz without being overclocked! And it has 32-cores. The video and BOINC communities can only drool at the thought. But does anyone know anything about it's power consumption? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 29/10/10 22:47PDT, Steven wrote: And, of course, PowerPC computers had much better names. MacBook sounds like what a Dell hacked to run OS X should be called, and Mac Pro is even more uninspired. PowerBook was one of the best product names of all time and I still can't believe that Apple just abandoned it for such an awful name, plus now the grid that Steve Jobs made such a big deal over no longer works (sure Mac Pro and MacBook Pro match, but what is iMac doing there?). Well, the alternative choice was IntelBook ;) -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
Intelbook? I would keep all of the original names. But really, the new names sound horrible. I really like all of the old names. To think of it, the box scheme makes no sense anymore. the Macbook and the Macbook pro should stay there. The air has to be the new Macbook or iBook or it has to go. The mac mini has no reason there at all, the iMac should be the lower end machine. THe mac pro should be the high end machine and server. They should cut out the Xserve. I have a feeling of something. Apple is as bad as it was before steve came back. They have too many product lines, minimizing it's chances of getting in the cash. One new CEO will rise up and re-innovate the company and remove the company's many product lines like it had 13 years ago. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 30/10/10 09:39PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: Intelbook? I would keep all of the original names. But really, the new names sound horrible. I really like all of the old names. Like the Power(pc)Book? To think of it, the box scheme makes no sense anymore. the Macbook and the Macbook pro should stay there. The air has to be the new Macbook or iBook or it has to go. The mac mini has no reason there at all, the iMac should be the lower end machine. THe mac pro should be the high end machine and server. They should cut out the Xserve. The Mac Mini is the low cost entry platform for those switching from other platforms. They're used to sub-$1000 computers, and already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. The Xserve is for those running server farms, not for individual users I have a feeling of something. Apple is as bad as it was before steve came back. They have too many product lines, minimizing it's chances of getting in the cash. One new CEO will rise up and re-innovate the company and remove the company's many product lines like it had 13 years ago. I see the following 3 product lines: General Macintosh computers. Server Macintosh computers. Mobile products. General Macintosh computers has the following 2 sub-lines: Professional (MacPro MacBookPro) Consumer (Mac Mini, iMac, MacBook) Of course, consumers can buy from the Professional line also. Server Macintosh computers has the Xserve line the Mac Mini Server Mobile Products covers iPod, iPad, and iPhone If the above minimizes getting in the cash, then how come Apple is now the second largest company in the WORLD, in terms of capitalization? Only Exxon-Mobil has more cash than Apple. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
I mean if Apple moves away from intel and makes it's own processors, this would cause an uproar in the Windows-intel world. Apple should go to AMD or make it's own processors. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 10/30/10 7:07 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: I mean if Apple moves away from intel and makes it's own processors, this would cause an uproar in the Windows-intel world. Apple should go to AMD or make it's own processors. -- Yeah correct, for instance i bought my amd duron pc in 2000 and it's still good enough to function in regards pretty much anything. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 30/10/10 10:39PDT, Steven wrote: On Oct 30, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 30/10/10 09:39PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: Intelbook? I would keep all of the original names. But really, the new names sound horrible. I really like all of the old names. Like the Power(pc)Book? 1991: Apple introduces the first PowerBook computers 1994: Apple introduces the first Macintosh computers with PowerPC processors 1995: Apple introduces the first PowerBook with a PowerPC processor The Power in PowerBook has nothing to do with PowerPC and predates the PowerPC transition by years. The PowerBook name already spanned two processors, why couldn't it continue into the Intel era? My guess is that Steve Jobs wanted to erase anything that he didn't create, which is why the only PowerPC names left are iMac and Mac Mini. Probably because Steve realized that PowerBook was irretrievably linked to PowerPC. And I should have remembered my PowerBook 145b! The way things are headed with the MacBook Air and the Mac App Store, we'll probably see a new model called the AppleBook or, for short, the AppBook -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
Let's hope that happens. To be honest, I only want intel to crash and burn to stop Microsoft in it's tracks. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Elliott Price callmemrp...@gmail.comwrote: I've read it's because they wanted to have mac in all the names. It makes SOME sort of sense, but, I mean, come on, people would have to be pretty stupid to not know that an iBook is a Mac laptop. iBook sounds way better then Macbook. :P I personally don't care that much what kind of processor I have. Sure, I would prefer it not be Intel, but I've been using my Intel iMac for 3 yrs now, and it's plenty fast and powerful for graphic design, web design, photoshop, etc. I think it's inevitable that Apple switch away from the Intel processors. They're so big now, that it doesn't make sense to be tied to another giant company, and with what we've seen with them developing the A4, it'll probably lead to them developing their own processors for the Mac. -Elliott On Oct 30, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Steven wrote: My guess is that Steve Jobs wanted to erase anything that he didn't create, which is why the only PowerPC names left are iMac and Mac Mini. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comimaclist%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- Sent from my iMac G4 1.25Ghz It's anyway, anyhow, anywhere you choose it. -Me -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 30, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: Let's hope that happens. To be honest, I only want intel to crash and burn to stop Microsoft in it's tracks. Based on Apple's history, that could easily happen. Back in the Motorola days IBM was Apple's biggest competitor, and after Motorola couldn't keep up any more they switched to IBM. Now IBM is a rotting shell of the company that introduced the IBM PC, so they move on to Intel. I don't think Apple will destroy Intel (after all, IBM processors are still used in several game consoles), but either way they will probably switch to a new processor somewhere around 2014 to 2018 (they have switched every decade like clockwork, from 6502 to 68k in 1984, 68k to PowerPC in 1994, and PowerPC to Intel in 2006), but by then there could be a die hard Intel crowd just like the PowerPC crowd of today and the Motorola crowd of the 1990s. Personally, I hope that Apple will use the resources of P.A. Semi and what they have learned from the A4 to return to RISC, and since P.A. Semi was working on Power Architecture designs I don't think that is an unreasonable prediction. Technically it won't be PowerPC, but it would have all the benefits without the problems with the G5 (they were working on powerful yet efficient processors) and it would be designed by Apple, so that's good enough for me. Steven -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform (was: Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
When Apple decided to leave the PPC platform I was hurt but I fully understand why they did it. As a fan of the IBM Power platform, the G5 was a small power 4/power5 machine that did not run AIX and Apple was a small part of the IBM order that they could not significantly influence the production cycle. Apple had to battle the perception monster of the Wintel platform. Intel and AMD were making chip announcement at a pace that Apple could not keep up with. If you recall, Apple announced that the G5 was the fastest computer in the world but how long did they hold that crown. The move to the Wintel platform was a perception move and had to be done in one swoop. Although I love my multicore Opteron systems, AMD in the eyes of the consumers is the underdog which is not necessarily the case across the entire product line. Look at what this move has done. It has put Apple more into the main stream and they are gaining market share beyond their traditional market. Now just an aside. : One nice thing would be for Apple to have a limited edition run of the Apple IIe with a quad core 64 bit 6502 that is capable of full 6502 emulation. Just like people snapped up the retro Beetles, Mustangs, Camaros etc - They would make a mint! Or put out an enthusiast model that you could get in a kit! On 10/29/2010 2:10 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 29/10/10 10:26PDT, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/28 17:16, Mystic Prowler so eloquently wrote: I wonder if it would be a good idea to dual-boot it with Ubuntu systems because Ubuntu still supports PowerPC with their newer system releases. Actually, Ubuntu dropped official support for PPC several versions ago, but the community has taken up the slack. Debian has official support for PPC, and so does YellowDog and a few other variants. There will come a day when Apple stops supporting 10.5 and then PPC users will have to decide if they want to continue without any further security updates or if they want to change platforms. http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php With Apple now making their own chips, perhaps we'll see a new Mac platform that DOESN'T have Intel Inside. I refuse to purchase any Mac from Apple that uses Intel. If Apple doesn't start using their own chips, then at least they should use AMD chips so as not to support the Intel monopoly. Even better might be for Apple to use some of their pocket change and buy AMD; that would really block the Intel/Microsoft monopolists. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 29/10/10 11:30PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. Unfortunately, Motorola jettisoned their chip division. It was going by the name Freescale but I haven't heard much recently. Also, at the same time, the older employees were terminated (I have a friend who was one of them) so who knows if the PPC could be updated. It is Apple's A chips or AMD's chips that have the best bet of supplanting Intel in Macs. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
I understand keeping production of faster and faster processors could be tough, but look at IBM today! The world's first processor running at 4.6Ghz without being overclocked! And it has 32-cores. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 29/10/10 11:30PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. Unfortunately, Motorola jettisoned their chip division. It was going by the name Freescale but I haven't heard much recently. Also, at the same time, the older employees were terminated (I have a friend who was one of them) so who knows if the PPC could be updated. Maybe Apple should buy Freescale, produce the 68080, and use that for OS X. :-) It is Apple's A chips or AMD's chips that have the best bet of supplanting Intel in Macs. On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 2010/10/29 16:35, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? I can't speak for anyone else but I don't like Intel's predatory business practices, their integrated graphics, and I fear what would happen to their prices should AMD stop being competitive. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
I really do find intel useful, but not the best. PowerPC was and always will be the best. If Apple continues a different line of chips, they might name it PowerPC G6 even if the processor architecture is completely different. Going away from intel means that Apple will increase the chances of the Microsoft market domination to collapse. Intel did create the first microprocessor, after all. I am not saying they have bad processors, but their marketing technique is horrible. I know and understand why Apple went from PowerPC to intel, but if i was in Steve's shoes, i'd stay with PowerPC, because in today's world i'd have the advantage. __ iMac G4 1.25 17, iMac 800 15, iMac G5 1.8 20, iMac G3 Bondi Blue 233, iMac G3 350 Teal, iMac G3 350 Indigo, iMac G3 600 Graphite, Powerbook 540c, Powerbook G4 867 15, Powerbook 5300cs, Power Mac 6100 60, Power Mac G4 sawtooth 400, G4 sawtooth 400 #2, G4 cube 450, iBook G3 500, eMac 700, G3 Gossamer 233, G3 BW 300, Mid 2010 15 i7 MBP. Former machines: Apple 1 (sold for my new MBP, sorry!), iBook G3 clamshell original 300 Tangerine, iBook Mid 2005 1.33 12, Power Mac 7200/120 (killed during power surge), G4 quicksilver dual 1Ghz (parts sold, still have case, PS blew up...) So far i have 19 machines. If i still had my other machines, i'd have 24. The Powerbook G4 15 867 is pending on my list and will not be received my me until wednesday. Also, another indigo iMac G3 is pending on my list. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
At 6:06 PM -0400 10/29/2010, Mystic Prowler wrote: I understand keeping production of faster and faster processors could be tough, but look at IBM today! The world's first processor running at 4.6Ghz without being overclocked! And it has 32-cores. Defeat Snatched from the Jaws of Victory. ...IMO, Apple was right to go with the Core processors for the laptops. But they should have stuck with PowerPC for the desktops, and quickly gone to full POWER chips. At 3:35 PM -0700 10/29/2010, Joshua Juran wrote: On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? Apple ditched PPC ostensibly because there was no new chip for laptops. So here we are with Intel, and Apple just released the new MBA with the *old* Core 2 Duo chip. Why? Because Intel's upgrade offerings are crap - slow, power piggy, and saddled with horribly slow graphics. At the higher-end, the Core i3/5/7/9 chips are ok, as long as you're willing to ignore the seriously high speed POWER chips etc. Just squeeze your eyes and a** tightly closed and repeat the mantra: We have to have computers that can also run Windows. Speed aside (the avg consumer really doesn't need umpteen GHz), IMO, the reliability issue is the biggie... Back in the PPC days, we considered buying AppleCare because it often never got used. These days, I will not sell or recommend ANY x86 based Mac without it. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Dan wrote: Back in the PPC days, we considered buying AppleCare because it often never got used. These days, I will not sell or recommend ANY x86 based Mac without it. My Intel iMac has given me much less trouble than my iBook G4, and my father's MacBook has lasted much longer than his iBook. From my experience Intel Macs have been much more reliable than PowerPC models, though I attribute that to the constant refining and improvement of the designs, not which chip the computers use. I must say, though, that PowerPC laptops were much more usable, with removable batteries, PC cards, and a huge amount of ports. Now the side of the 17 MacBook Pro looks like an Ice iBook G3, very simple in comparison to the side of the 17 PowerBook G4. Sure, the new one may have more USB ports, but I'd rather have FireWire 400, S-Video, a real DVI port, and a PC card port any day (and, while I think dial-up should have been vanquished a decade ago, it is nice to have a modem for when I'm somewhere that doesn't have real internet, or if I need to send a fax). And, of course, PowerPC computers had much better names. MacBook sounds like what a Dell hacked to run OS X should be called, and Mac Pro is even more uninspired. PowerBook was one of the best product names of all time and I still can't believe that Apple just abandoned it for such an awful name, plus now the grid that Steve Jobs made such a big deal over no longer works (sure Mac Pro and MacBook Pro match, but what is iMac doing there?). PowerPC will always be my favorite, but when even the newest models are four years old (with designs that are five years old), they are quickly becoming unusable for many purposes. Most modern video sites like Netflix and Hulu won't even run properly, if at all, on PowerPC. At least it looks like my PowerBook G4 will still serve me well as a secondary laptop for a while longer, but the days of being able to use a PowerPC computer as a primary desktop in the modern world are over. Steven -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
