Re: Weird hard drive noises
When I was in college a design group I was in built a usb composite keyboard/mouse. IIRC it took up one address slot. Now it used the HID specification for both, so we created one HID device that could input keys and have mouse functions, so I don't know how an integrated hub would be as it is a different class of device. Also, we didn't need an integrated hub as our keyboard/mouse used one usb connection, and the multimedia keys are defined In the HID specification. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Christian Wacker wrote: Unless you use a few of these http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/cambrionix-49-port-usb-hub-for- professionals-nerds/ I know the G3 iMacs have a bus per port (Wish my PC had that... it'd be a bit easier on the drain when I use some more power-hungry preiphials... or ones that just crash the bus) You also have to take into account that if you use a multimedia keyboard... you're going to loose 4 devices, one for the keyboard, one for the multimedia half, one for a usb composite device... and one for the hub that connects them all internally. (So stick to your dirt-cheap $2 USB keyboards, and get some nifty hubs) I have never run across a multimedia keyboard that takes up four device slots :\ -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
I have never run across a multimedia keyboard that takes up four device slots :\ I don't mean physical USB ports, it is seen as 4 devices by the OS. -- -Proudly Sent from a Windows PC -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Christian Wacker wrote: I have never run across a multimedia keyboard that takes up four device slots :\ I don't mean physical USB ports, it is seen as 4 devices by the OS. I didn't mean USB plugs either, my wireless combo here with a keyboard (with volume, mute, next/back, media, and play/pause keys) and mouse is seen as one USB device under System Profiler. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On 2/17/10 6:03 PM, Elliott Price wrote: Haha, I like that idea. That should be my goal over next summer. :) My iMac has 3 USB ports, does that mean 127 keyboards per port, or is that the total number that USB will recognize? First, it's not 127. USB allows for 127 devices. But that includes hubs. Using 18 hubs you can connect 109 keyboards to one port. IF the 3 USB ports on the computer are separate USB busses then you could use 327 keyboards. AFAIK most if not all Macs have a separate bus for each port but it's possible some use an internal hub. Unless you use a few of these http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/cambrionix-49-port-usb-hub-for-professionals-nerds/ I know the G3 iMacs have a bus per port (Wish my PC had that... it'd be a bit easier on the drain when I use some more power-hungry preiphials... or ones that just crash the bus) You also have to take into account that if you use a multimedia keyboard... you're going to loose 4 devices, one for the keyboard, one for the multimedia half, one for a usb composite device... and one for the hub that connects them all internally. (So stick to your dirt-cheap $2 USB keyboards, and get some nifty hubs) Another consideration, if you do such a thing: Power... you'll need alot of powered hubs for that. -Proudly Sent from a Windows PC -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Christian Wacker wrote: Unless you use a few of these http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/cambrionix-49-port-usb-hub-for- professionals-nerds/ I know the G3 iMacs have a bus per port (Wish my PC had that... it'd be a bit easier on the drain when I use some more power-hungry preiphials... or ones that just crash the bus) You also have to take into account that if you use a multimedia keyboard... you're going to loose 4 devices, one for the keyboard, one for the multimedia half, one for a usb composite device... and one for the hub that connects them all internally. (So stick to your dirt-cheap $2 USB keyboards, and get some nifty hubs) I have never run across a multimedia keyboard that takes up four device slots :\ -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
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Never mind guys, I am now able to use my keyboard so I will nit bootnit up and forget that I don't have a keyboard. Thanks! Sorry if seemed stupid. I was just trying to figure out why that hard drive was acting strange. Thanks again. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Why the Dire need to sleep during boot just because it's missing it's keyboard and mouse? I forgot that I didn't have a keyboard to use with it so I put it to sleep while the finder etc. was still loading. That really didn't answer his question. Why do you need to put it to sleep, if the only issue is that it doesn't have a keyboard? You can let it boot all the way up, then sleep it, plug in a keyboard, whatever, and avoid the whole issue. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: or you could push the USB bus to the limit and plug in 127 keyboards! :D Technically, You'd need USB hubs to interconnect those keyboards, but, there's 2 physical controllers on the iMacs, so wouldn't it be double that, divided by around 2.3 for usb hubs\ compound keyboards... so a total nearer 110.43478260869565217391304347826 would be more or less correct... still quite a few keyboards. (Don't ask me how I got that number... it just got spat out on my calculator) -- -Proudly Sent from a Windows PC -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
I'm just wondering how you'd plug in that last .4 of a keyboard... -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:13 PM, Christian Wacker wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: or you could push the USB bus to the limit and plug in 127 keyboards! :D Technically, You'd need USB hubs to interconnect those keyboards, but, there's 2 physical controllers on the iMacs, so wouldn't it be double that, divided by around 2.3 for usb hubs\ compound keyboards... so a total nearer 110.43478260869565217391304347826 would be more or less correct... still quite a few keyboards. (Don't ask me how I got that number... it just got spat out on my calculator) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On 2/17/10 12:56 PM, Elliott Price wrote: I'm just wondering how you'd plug in that last .4 of a keyboard... Same as any other, provided the USB cable is on that part of the keyboard. If it isn't then, well, you're just going to have to round down and make do with only 110 keyboards. -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:13 PM, Christian Wacker wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Kasey Smithkasm...@gmail.com wrote: or you could push the USB bus to the limit and plug in 127 keyboards! :D Technically, You'd need USB hubs to interconnect those keyboards, but, there's 2 physical controllers on the iMacs, so wouldn't it be double that, divided by around 2.3 for usb hubs\ compound keyboards... so a total nearer 110.43478260869565217391304347826 would be more or less correct... still quite a few keyboards. (Don't ask me how I got that number... it just got spat out on my calculator) I came up with 18 7-port hubs and 109 keyboards. So you've got 1.434... keyboards too many. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
Haha, I like that idea. That should be my goal over next summer. :) My iMac has 3 USB ports, does that mean 127 keyboards per port, or is that the total number that USB will recognize? -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Jason Brown wrote: On 2/16/2010 11:59 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: or you could push the USB bus to the limit and plug in 127 keyboards! :D Someone needs to do this for giggles. Go for a Guinness book record and have 127 people trying to type all at one time on the computer. lol -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On 2/17/10 6:03 PM, Elliott Price wrote: Haha, I like that idea. That should be my goal over next summer. :) My iMac has 3 USB ports, does that mean 127 keyboards per port, or is that the total number that USB will recognize? First, it's not 127. USB allows for 127 devices. But that includes hubs. Using 18 hubs you can connect 109 keyboards to one port. IF the 3 USB ports on the computer are separate USB busses then you could use 327 keyboards. AFAIK most if not all Macs have a separate bus for each port but it's possible some use an internal hub. -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Jason Brown wrote: On 2/16/2010 11:59 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: or you could push the USB bus to the limit and plug in 127 keyboards! :D Someone needs to do this for giggles. Go for a Guinness book record and have 127 people trying to type all at one time on the computer. lol -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Well, I'm not that new. I am a computer expert in parts, but I don't know all of the specifics of mac computers. I know ALOT about Windoz computers though. Well, then to quote Firesign Theatre Everything you know, is wrong! :-) There are almost no instances when Windows troubleshooting, tweaks and fixes are appropriate for a Mac. Here are some random bits of advice: In this case, for instance, you don't need to sleep it before it's done booting you can boot with none, one or even two keyboards plugged in (I like the newest Mac keyboards, but on older systems they're not fully recognized until after finder starts, so if I have to hold down a key during boot-up as in tio start in safe mode, or boot form a CD, I just plug an old keyboard into one USB port on the new keyboard and go. When it's done, I just unplug the old keyboard.) The best troubleshooting tool is a test account you create (via the accounts preference pane in System Prefs) and only use for troubleshooting. If something breaks or a program stops working, don't go the Windows route (reinstall Windows), just log off, and back in as the new user. If the problem is repeatable, it's a system-wide issue. If it isn't it's a user issue and a re-install that keeps your user settings will not fix it. Fortunately, OS X uses preference and config files instead of the dread Registry to store settings and these are VASTLY easier to deal with...99% of the time they're named after the function or program they' used for and simoly deleting them will fix the issue, forcing the program to create a new prefs file next time it starts. The OX X equivalent of Event Viewer is the Console app, in Applications/Utilities. the system.log is a combination of Application and System events logs in Windows, and if you expand the list of logs on the left hand side there are many more, and more useful logs than in Windows by default. The essential layout of OS X is as follows /System -- equivalent to C:\Windows\System32...sort of. As a rule, leav this the hell alone unless you really know what you're doing. /Library -- rough equivalent to c:\Windows and parts of C:\Program Files because System-wide application support items and preferences go in here, as well as printing prefs, and support, etc. /Applications -- C:\Program Files with one enormous difference: Want to delete a Mac program? Drag it from /Applications to the Trash. Empty Trash. Done. The ONLY major exception is, of COURSE, Microsoft Office which scatters files all over the damn place. /Users -- C:\Documents and Settings, where all your user files normally reside. /Users/username/Library -- C:\documents and settings\username \all the hidden files in Windows. Where user specific prefs, application settings etc live. If you have a problem with a program, and it's specific to your user, this is where the problem lives. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
The reason that One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:50 AM, tyltotheler92 tyltothele...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, If you have a Western Digital Hard Drive inside in that iMac, that problem will arise. There is an issue with certain firmware versioins on the slot loader iMac G3s that would conflict with 6-80gb Western Digital Caviar HDs. Has this hard drive been replaced at any time? You may want to look at a Seagate or something to replace it with. Its not a fixable though. However, the Harddrive hasn't gone bad, its just a bug with SMART, and in any other computer it will work fine. -Tyler On Feb 15, 12:25 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
The reason that I will sleep my iMac during boot is that I sometimes will have to use my keyboard and mouse for other computers and I'll forget that there's no keyboard or mouse so I'll sleep it during boot. As far as I know, it is the stock internal drive. Is it safe to replace a hard drive on a G3? I am sleeping it by pressing the power button. The power light will pulse amber, but you can tell that the hard drive us pulling power because it will flicker when the HD revs up. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:50 AM, tyltotheler92 tyltothele...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, If you have a Western Digital Hard Drive inside in that iMac, that problem will arise. There is an issue with certain firmware versioins on the slot loader iMac G3s that would conflict with 6-80gb Western Digital Caviar HDs. Has this hard drive been replaced at any time? You may want to look at a Seagate or something to replace it with. Its not a fixable though. However, the Harddrive hasn't gone bad, its just a bug with SMART, and in any other computer it will work fine. -Tyler On Feb 15, 12:25 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
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Well, I am in a situation where I don't have a keyboard for my iMac. I forgot that I didn't have a keyboard and my mac is glitchy (I can't turn it off through a menu or it will restart itself). I did not feel like forcing it to turn off by holding the power button in, so I put it to sleep before it fully booted. For example, programs that start up at boot my not be fully loaded before I would sleep it. Parts if the interface may also not be loaded. I would also appriciate it if you could not criticize me as I am not a mac expert. Just a mac lover ;) One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: 'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
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To be more clear, I mean that the finder and GUI are still loading. I do nit mean that I am trying to sleep while on the apple logo or somthing like that. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: 'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Mike Styer wrote: Well, I am in a situation where I don't have a keyboard for my iMac. I forgot that I didn't have a keyboard and my mac is glitchy (I can't turn it off through a menu or it will restart itself). I did not feel like forcing it to turn off by holding the power button in, so I put it to sleep before it fully booted. Why are you sleeping it? The Mac doesn't need a keyboard to boot. Just plug in the keyboard when you dig it up and need to use the iMac. BTW, any old USB Keyboard Mac or Windows will work with your iMac; there are even programs to properly swap the control and command keys around on Windows keyboards. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
No problem Bill. Anyway, I was sleeping it because I had te urge to use it, started it up and then realized that I didn't have a keyboard for it at the moment :) anyway, does anyone know why the HD might rev up during sleep mode? BTW, I just checked in system profiler and it is actually a Maxtor 10 GB drive. The person who I bought it from must have upgraded the HD before I bought it on eBay. I wonder why it acts strange during sleep mode sometimes... One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: It just sounded suspicious. My bad. To be more clear, I mean that the finder and GUI are still loading. I do nit mean that I am trying to sleep while on the apple logo or somthing like that. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: 'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
Just a couple of things: It's probably not a good idea to sleep it before it's fully loaded, just wait a few seconds for everything to load, and then put it to sleep if you're not going to use it. Like others have said, that just happens with some HD's in those iMacs. My little brother had an iMac with this problem, and we just swapped out HD's and it worked fine. If you have any extra IDE HD's around, you can try one of those see if the problem goes away. -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Mike Styer wrote: No problem Bill. Anyway, I was sleeping it because I had te urge to use it, started it up and then realized that I didn't have a keyboard for it at the moment :) anyway, does anyone know why the HD might rev up during sleep mode? BTW, I just checked in system profiler and it is actually a Maxtor 10 GB drive. The person who I bought it from must have upgraded the HD before I bought it on eBay. I wonder why it acts strange during sleep mode sometimes... One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: It just sounded suspicious. My bad. To be more clear, I mean that the finder and GUI are still loading. I do nit mean that I am trying to sleep while on the apple logo or somthing like that. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: 'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
Yeah, your probably right... Anyway, is it hard to swap the hard drive of an iMac G3 slot loader? And more importantly, is it dangerous? One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Elliott Price callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote: Just a couple of things: It's probably not a good idea to sleep it before it's fully loaded, just wait a few seconds for everything to load, and then put it to sleep if you're not going to use it. Like others have said, that just happens with some HD's in those iMacs. My little brother had an iMac with this problem, and we just swapped out HD's and it worked fine. If you have any extra IDE HD's around, you can try one of those see if the problem goes away. -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Mike Styer wrote: No problem Bill. Anyway, I was sleeping it because I had te urge to use it, started it up and then realized that I didn't have a keyboard for it at the moment :) anyway, does anyone know why the HD might rev up during sleep mode? BTW, I just checked in system profiler and it is actually a Maxtor 10 GB drive. The person who I bought it from must have upgraded the HD before I bought it on eBay. I wonder why it acts strange during sleep mode sometimes... One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: It just sounded suspicious. My bad. To be more clear, I mean that the finder and GUI are still loading. I do nit mean that I am trying to sleep while on the apple logo or somthing like that. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: 'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
Nope, and nope. There's four screws on the underside, then 6 or so screws on the RF shield, then 4 on the HD. Here's a fairly decent one, it starts on page 18: http://www.scribd.com/doc/103447/iMac-G3-Disassembly-Guide A couple of things: Be careful with the tabs on front, I haven't found a good way to take it off reliably without breaking these... Just be gentle, and maybe if you have something to stick in and release the clips, that might help. If you do break them though, it doesn't Be careful not to let the screws from the RF shield (EMI shield in the guide) fall down inside the computer! You won't see them again, and they can cause shorts in the video circuitry. Use a magnetized screwdriver to prevent that from happening. -Elliott Price Quoit - Macintosh Computer Services hobbittech.com/quoit On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Yeah, your probably right... Anyway, is it hard to swap the hard drive of an iMac G3 slot loader? And more importantly, is it dangerous? One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Elliott Price callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote: Just a couple of things: It's probably not a good idea to sleep it before it's fully loaded, just wait a few seconds for everything to load, and then put it to sleep if you're not going to use it. Like others have said, that just happens with some HD's in those iMacs. My little brother had an iMac with this problem, and we just swapped out HD's and it worked fine. If you have any extra IDE HD's around, you can try one of those see if the problem goes away. -Elliott Price -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Mike Styer mstye...@yahoo.com wrote: The reason that I will sleep my iMac during boot is that I sometimes will have to use my keyboard and mouse for other computers and I'll forget that there's no keyboard or mouse so I'll sleep it during boot. As far as I know, it is the stock internal drive. Is it safe to replace a hard drive on a G3? I am sleeping it by pressing the power button. The power light will pulse amber, but you can tell that the hard drive us pulling power because it will flicker when the HD revs up. Why the Dire need to sleep during boot just because it's missing it's keyboard and mouse? They're USB, so it'll see them once your plug them in. it's not like ADB where it's bad to hot plug. It is safe to replace the HDD in a G3: I did mine about a month ago, just remember that if you're using a tray load iMac, then you'll have to partition the drive into 2 pieces if it's above (IIRC) 8gb, and install the WHOLE OS on the first 8GB, but you can save all your programs and files to the 2nd partition (Flaw\feature in the IDE controller IIRC) Does it do this behavior when the you sleep it after fully booting? -- -Proudly Sent from a Windows PC -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
You said you're new to mac?... fyi re keyboards and such, on usb-macs they're 'hot-pluggable', so don't panic if you start up without a keyboard or mouse attached which is what i do occasionally (i have a 4-mac lan, and every few months swap in my G3 iMac in place of my G4 powerbook and also switch back 'mid-stream' to a traditional mouse when i need more control of the cursor than what i get from my logitech marblemouse trackball and am too lazy to fire up my old pm 8600 which has my wacom tablet) Mike Styer wrote: No problem Bill. Anyway, I was sleeping it because I had te urge to use it, started it up and then realized that I didn't have a keyboard for it at the moment :) anyway, does anyone know why the HD might rev up during sleep mode? BTW, I just checked in system profiler and it is actually a Maxtor 10 GB drive. The person who I bought it from must have upgraded the HD before I bought it on eBay. I wonder why it acts strange during sleep mode sometimes... One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: It just sounded suspicious. My bad. To be more clear, I mean that the finder and GUI are still loading. I do nit mean that I am trying to sleep while on the apple logo or somthing like that. One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: 'sleep while booting up'... yeah right sounds like this guy is pranking... Clark Martin wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Weird hard drive noises
Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? One mans trash is another mans treasure. In my case, this happens to be with old Macs :) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Weird hard drive noises
Hi, If you have a Western Digital Hard Drive inside in that iMac, that problem will arise. There is an issue with certain firmware versioins on the slot loader iMac G3s that would conflict with 6-80gb Western Digital Caviar HDs. Has this hard drive been replaced at any time? You may want to look at a Seagate or something to replace it with. Its not a fixable though. However, the Harddrive hasn't gone bad, its just a bug with SMART, and in any other computer it will work fine. -Tyler On Feb 15, 12:25 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On 2/14/10 3:34 PM, Mike Styer wrote: Sometimes I will sleep my iMac G3 350mHz 10.3 panther and it will sleep fine for a few seconds. But the hard drive will then rev up, coast, and then repeat. I think this only happens when I sleep it while it is booting up. Does anyone have any idea why this nights happen? Why are you sleeping it (or trying to) during boot? How are you sleeping it? When the HD is waking is the power light pulsing? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
